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Here it is. I am finally going to call this finished. There is more I could adjust on this, but I am finally stopping myself because I frakkin' lost track of how much time went into this eons ago. X3
From left to right:
Thank you everyone who participated! Painting from start to finish in Paint Tool SAI. This submission is a little under 20% of the full size.
Closer views:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11176947/ (Raptor Crew)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11176976/ (Admiral and CAG)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11177022/ (Viper Pilot and Deck Chief)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11177087/ (Suspicious Characters, Old Friends)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11177257/ (A few actual size close-ups)
String of WIPs if you are process-curious: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10453841/
Links at the bottom of that submission lead to all previous stages. :)
From left to right:
Thank you everyone who participated! Painting from start to finish in Paint Tool SAI. This submission is a little under 20% of the full size.
Closer views:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11176947/ (Raptor Crew)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11176976/ (Admiral and CAG)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11177022/ (Viper Pilot and Deck Chief)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11177087/ (Suspicious Characters, Old Friends)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11177257/ (A few actual size close-ups)
String of WIPs if you are process-curious: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10453841/
Links at the bottom of that submission lead to all previous stages. :)
Category Artwork (Digital) / General Furry Art
Species Unspecified / Any
Size 2000 x 1171px
File Size 1.11 MB
Mother of god.
First off, I am so, so happy this image exists. BSG is very near and dear to my heart, and you really, really pulled it off with this. I absolutely adore the background, the perspective, underlighting, the painstaking detail put into the uniforms (especially the maintenance crew!), how each fur and hair was so delicately rendered... Wow. I'm amazed that you saw this through as an artist, where so many others would have just given up or half-assed something. I find the mix of characters absolutely delightful! It's so nice to see such a variety of characters and critters. I think my favorite part, though, is the way the viper and carrier are rendered. Inanimate objects are such a friggin' pain for me, and you did so very well in making them look true to life.
I'm really at a loss for words. Everything is so smooth and put together, I just... Excellent. Gold star. You win. Congratulations.
First off, I am so, so happy this image exists. BSG is very near and dear to my heart, and you really, really pulled it off with this. I absolutely adore the background, the perspective, underlighting, the painstaking detail put into the uniforms (especially the maintenance crew!), how each fur and hair was so delicately rendered... Wow. I'm amazed that you saw this through as an artist, where so many others would have just given up or half-assed something. I find the mix of characters absolutely delightful! It's so nice to see such a variety of characters and critters. I think my favorite part, though, is the way the viper and carrier are rendered. Inanimate objects are such a friggin' pain for me, and you did so very well in making them look true to life.
I'm really at a loss for words. Everything is so smooth and put together, I just... Excellent. Gold star. You win. Congratulations.
Aw thank you for this thoughtful comment. <3 Mechanical objects such as ships, cars, architecture, and so forth are very difficult for me as well, which is part of why I think this piece took so very long to do (large number of characters aside).
I adore Battlestar as well, so it was quite enjoyable to have the opportunity to piece together an image such as this. :)
I adore Battlestar as well, so it was quite enjoyable to have the opportunity to piece together an image such as this. :)
Never seen it. I don't have time to watch a wide variety of things, but my current go-to show has been Person of Interest, which just got renewed for a third season. Extremely solid and entertaining show so far.
I was born and raised a geek though, my mom is a huge trekkie and IRL I was named after a character from TNG... so I love almost every incarnation of Star Trek, as well as Star Wars, Firefly, Hitchhiker's Guide, Lost in Space, etc, etc. If you like sci fis then here is a thing to squee over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTGdGKEEiYE See how many clips you can recognize! :)
I was born and raised a geek though, my mom is a huge trekkie and IRL I was named after a character from TNG... so I love almost every incarnation of Star Trek, as well as Star Wars, Firefly, Hitchhiker's Guide, Lost in Space, etc, etc. If you like sci fis then here is a thing to squee over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTGdGKEEiYE See how many clips you can recognize! :)
This pic is great! You really captured everything well. Lot of dynamics here. :)
The new BSG is a show I both loved and hated. Most of the characters are fantastic, with a few exceptions, and the action and environments were top-notch. The real problem with BSG was the story. It was often inconsistent, rambling, poorly-explained, and at times really annoyingly preachy. It kept trying to get across a "message" instead of just being a good sci-fi show, like the writers had something to prove, and that was its real weakness and downfall.
The new BSG is a show I both loved and hated. Most of the characters are fantastic, with a few exceptions, and the action and environments were top-notch. The real problem with BSG was the story. It was often inconsistent, rambling, poorly-explained, and at times really annoyingly preachy. It kept trying to get across a "message" instead of just being a good sci-fi show, like the writers had something to prove, and that was its real weakness and downfall.
I actually really liked the balance of science verses religion throughout the show, along with politics actually made fascinating. I love, love, loved the arc when the Pegasus first showed up and the near all out conflict between Adama and Cain. The strength of the characters really played well into the political threads of plot as well - to use that same example, I cheered out loud when Helo and Chief burst in to help Athena/Sharon, and at Adama's fiery defiance in protection of his men. I even enjoyed season 3 beginning with their year long settlement on New Caprica, it was a ballsy move for a show to change the pacing and focus that drastically, and I thought they pulled it off spectacularly. The plot only fell flat for me near the very end, when the writers began leaning a bit too heavily on the religion side of things rather than striking that fascinating balance they managed to maintain for so long. Also the bullshit they pulled with Starbuck. They had the PERFECT OPENING for her to be half cylon or something, given the missing model 7 and the whole bit with her dad composing a piano variation on that final five activation song... it would have been perfect if he were Daniel/7, but nope. "It was God, she was an angel." I don't even that. However, the strength most of the characters endured until the bitter end, such as Roslin and Adama's last scene together, gahhh. When you get down to it, it was a show about people struggling to cope and survive, and that was definitely what the show excelled at.
I hated "Starbuck Jesus" soooo much. It was totally left field, made no sense, and felt like it was just shoehorned in. :P
But no, what I really hated is all the times BSG got genuinely preachy. I'm talking where the preaching overrides all common sense or flow or reason. Like for example, the Cylons tried to annihilate humanity. I don't care how oppressed they were, or how bad things were for them before the first war, or how much they suffered during the war. They attempted genocide. Thus, when the Galactica people were presented with the ability to wipe out all Cylons - and on top of that, the one freaking good one and her kid would be safe - they balked at it! It was suddenly this big moral dilemma! I was literally screaming at the television at that point. The series even opens up with the Colonials attempting diplomatic relations every year, and then the Cylons come and commit the most vile, soulless, cowardly atrocity possible...and I'm supposed to feel sympathy for them? That killing these twisted asshats is a hard choice?
The problem is, the Cylons were presented as such a pure evil force that there is no reason to have any feeling for them. Their very depicted nature invalidates the later moral dilemma. The arc with the other Battlestar actually contributes to this downfall, even though that conflict itself was fantastic and well-written. They free the Six, she shoots the Admiral, then vanishes...fine, good ending to that story. But then later, that same Six nukes half a dozen ships full off innocent people, which only further proves that the Cylons are both psychotic and evil.
I wanted the Cylons to frakkin' die. I wanted it more than anything. Instead of just leaving it neutral, the show actually tried to get me to feel for them.
Then the humans go greenpeace and decided all technology is evil.
Frak it, they're all too stupid to live.
But no, what I really hated is all the times BSG got genuinely preachy. I'm talking where the preaching overrides all common sense or flow or reason. Like for example, the Cylons tried to annihilate humanity. I don't care how oppressed they were, or how bad things were for them before the first war, or how much they suffered during the war. They attempted genocide. Thus, when the Galactica people were presented with the ability to wipe out all Cylons - and on top of that, the one freaking good one and her kid would be safe - they balked at it! It was suddenly this big moral dilemma! I was literally screaming at the television at that point. The series even opens up with the Colonials attempting diplomatic relations every year, and then the Cylons come and commit the most vile, soulless, cowardly atrocity possible...and I'm supposed to feel sympathy for them? That killing these twisted asshats is a hard choice?
The problem is, the Cylons were presented as such a pure evil force that there is no reason to have any feeling for them. Their very depicted nature invalidates the later moral dilemma. The arc with the other Battlestar actually contributes to this downfall, even though that conflict itself was fantastic and well-written. They free the Six, she shoots the Admiral, then vanishes...fine, good ending to that story. But then later, that same Six nukes half a dozen ships full off innocent people, which only further proves that the Cylons are both psychotic and evil.
I wanted the Cylons to frakkin' die. I wanted it more than anything. Instead of just leaving it neutral, the show actually tried to get me to feel for them.
Then the humans go greenpeace and decided all technology is evil.
Frak it, they're all too stupid to live.
I got the sense that Cavil/1 was just a straight up a crazy bastard who was the force behind the scenes pushing the Cylons as a whole into such definitive action - which was later confirmed by that made for tv movie "The Plan". I never had a problem with the moral dilemma being presented. Just because one race commits genocide doesn't mean you should turn around and do the same thing back. That would be like the Jewish community turning around and exterminating most of Germany, or something. o_O Athena wasn't the only good cylon, either. Many model 8s, 6s, 3s, etc were shown to have a great deal of feeling and compassion. They were physical copies but each consciousness was a unique individual (despite being nigh-immortal prior to the destruction of the resurrection Hub). Other sci-fis have explored this same concept. Not sure if you are into Star Trek, but were was an episode in Next Gen where they had the means to send a Borg drone into the collective and destroy it once and for all, but similarly decided that genocide on that scale was immoral. And that was the Borg. That particular freed drone had started to become an individual of sorts, but most of them are a single consciousness that annihilates not one but hundreds of species. Still I do agree with their choice... mass murder is wrong no matter what the circumstance. I don't think that's too preachy or a sign of bad writing at all. In fact, if something pissed you off, or provokes a discussion such as this one, I'd say that's an indication of the opposite!
Picard hesitated to destroy the Borg, the ultimate nightmare of the Star Trek universe (and arguably their closest thing to a true evil), because Picard was a diplomat and - in many ways - kind of a pacifist. Janeway on the other hand had no such problem with shoving a deadly virus up the Borg's butt and annihilating their collective, presumably leading to the final death of the Borg...and the universe can only be better off without them consuming world after world. :)
Also, the comparison to the Jews in WW2 is inaccurate. There is a huge difference between one culture trying to wipe out another, and one species trying to wipe out another. If the Nazi's had succeeded in wiping out every Jew in existence, the world would have lost that part of its culture, but humanity would go on. Maybe a new culture similar to the Jewish one would even arise one day (circles and cycles and all that). On the other hand, if all of humanity is wiped out...well, that's it. There is no moving on, there is no tomorrow. The circle is broken. End of story. This is why wiping out a species is the true, ultimate sin (speaking of Star Trek, I believe 4 had something to say about that ^^). There is no moving on, and there is no forgiveness. Anyone willing to commit to that, whether their idea or not, deserves to die.
Basically, if you've already nuked 12 planets out of existence and attempted to hunt the last survivors to extinction, I don't really care if a few among the instigators have an attack of conscience. Anyone who's willing to commit to and comply with that kind of action...you don't want them around. Even to the humans, who are plenty violent and petty, what they did was just incomprehensible.
It's also important not to confuse anger with stupidity over anger because a character or event is written to induce passion. A good example would be the ministry woman from Harry Potter, who effectively takes over the school and tortures the students. I hated her character, passionately, for all the right reasons. She was disgusting and deplorable, but you also knew exactly what was wrong with her. A lot of the story elements in BSG, on the other hand, were moronic, preachy or unbelievable to the point where I got angry in a bad way. The kind of way that makes you want to throw the TV and stop watching, not the kind that makes me go "oh man, I can't wait to see what happens next!"
Also, the comparison to the Jews in WW2 is inaccurate. There is a huge difference between one culture trying to wipe out another, and one species trying to wipe out another. If the Nazi's had succeeded in wiping out every Jew in existence, the world would have lost that part of its culture, but humanity would go on. Maybe a new culture similar to the Jewish one would even arise one day (circles and cycles and all that). On the other hand, if all of humanity is wiped out...well, that's it. There is no moving on, there is no tomorrow. The circle is broken. End of story. This is why wiping out a species is the true, ultimate sin (speaking of Star Trek, I believe 4 had something to say about that ^^). There is no moving on, and there is no forgiveness. Anyone willing to commit to that, whether their idea or not, deserves to die.
Basically, if you've already nuked 12 planets out of existence and attempted to hunt the last survivors to extinction, I don't really care if a few among the instigators have an attack of conscience. Anyone who's willing to commit to and comply with that kind of action...you don't want them around. Even to the humans, who are plenty violent and petty, what they did was just incomprehensible.
It's also important not to confuse anger with stupidity over anger because a character or event is written to induce passion. A good example would be the ministry woman from Harry Potter, who effectively takes over the school and tortures the students. I hated her character, passionately, for all the right reasons. She was disgusting and deplorable, but you also knew exactly what was wrong with her. A lot of the story elements in BSG, on the other hand, were moronic, preachy or unbelievable to the point where I got angry in a bad way. The kind of way that makes you want to throw the TV and stop watching, not the kind that makes me go "oh man, I can't wait to see what happens next!"
We'll have to agree to disagree. because I always felt the "oh man, can't wait to see what happens next" with this show. Up until before near the very end when, as aforementioned, things got too heavy on the religious side, I thoroughly enjoyed many aspects of the show's writing.
Janeway is a badass, but Picard will always be the captain I respect most. I'm a pacifist too. By your logic, humans already are the ultimate evil and someone *should* kill us all, as we are already responsible for single-handedly driving multiple species on our own planet to extinction.
I almost always agreed with Helo's point of view (which is why he is one of my favorite characters - I even named my cat after him, since he is similarly a big sweetie haha) and the fact that you disagreed and found the need to be merciful with the Cylons frustrating is not bad writing, it is a different point of view. I agree there are characters written so that we love to hate them, and the Cylon's were among them. But often the reader is not given the full complexity of that character we hate up front. Much like Warden Morgan in the Dresden Files - we are made to hate him, and later to feel sympathy for him. I think that skill, as a writer, is more impressive to me than a character you are made to hate from beginning to end like your example of Umbridge from Harry Potter. I did feel sorry for some of the Cylons at certain points in the series. Not many of them, but some. Many of them were psychopaths and religious nuts, but they were also living, feeling individuals, and nothing justifies purposely wiping out an entire race, not even if they tried it first.
Janeway is a badass, but Picard will always be the captain I respect most. I'm a pacifist too. By your logic, humans already are the ultimate evil and someone *should* kill us all, as we are already responsible for single-handedly driving multiple species on our own planet to extinction.
I almost always agreed with Helo's point of view (which is why he is one of my favorite characters - I even named my cat after him, since he is similarly a big sweetie haha) and the fact that you disagreed and found the need to be merciful with the Cylons frustrating is not bad writing, it is a different point of view. I agree there are characters written so that we love to hate them, and the Cylon's were among them. But often the reader is not given the full complexity of that character we hate up front. Much like Warden Morgan in the Dresden Files - we are made to hate him, and later to feel sympathy for him. I think that skill, as a writer, is more impressive to me than a character you are made to hate from beginning to end like your example of Umbridge from Harry Potter. I did feel sorry for some of the Cylons at certain points in the series. Not many of them, but some. Many of them were psychopaths and religious nuts, but they were also living, feeling individuals, and nothing justifies purposely wiping out an entire race, not even if they tried it first.
Actually, if you take the novels into account, Janeway was killed by the borg, and Picard, Riker, Ezri, and the NX-02 Columbia finished the borg off for good in a highly awesome trilogy. :) Star Trek: Destiny, I think. I know I didn't really read most of the text string and forgive me for butting in, but anyway, just thought you'd be interested.
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