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As a general rule most mice are not big on swimming, and there are some good reasons for that. Due to their small size it is very easy for them to get hypothermia even in fairly mild conditions. While they possess great strength for their size it is easy to be swept away by waves and currents. Finally, any natural body of water that is big really enough to explore can have something that can eat you! Petina and Jackie are not the general rule.
This shot was done as promotional ad for the brothel that both Petina and Jackie worked for, and was shot down in the Cayman Islands. The depth is only about eight feet over one of the reefs. What you can't see is the portable dive/ air chamber that is a few feet out of camera view, or the several bigum scuba divers that are just out of sight that have checked to make certain that no Moray Eel is going to suddenly come out of the coral grottos eat one of the ladies. The divers are also standing by on watch in case some grouper or barracuda thinks the gals would make a sweet little snack. All in all the girls had a ball doing the shoot.
This was the first time I'd done an underwater scene in color and making both the characters and background look like thwy were underwater took some research. Image size 14"x 17". Medium color pencil, gouache , and some marker and micron pen.
This shot was done as promotional ad for the brothel that both Petina and Jackie worked for, and was shot down in the Cayman Islands. The depth is only about eight feet over one of the reefs. What you can't see is the portable dive/ air chamber that is a few feet out of camera view, or the several bigum scuba divers that are just out of sight that have checked to make certain that no Moray Eel is going to suddenly come out of the coral grottos eat one of the ladies. The divers are also standing by on watch in case some grouper or barracuda thinks the gals would make a sweet little snack. All in all the girls had a ball doing the shoot.
This was the first time I'd done an underwater scene in color and making both the characters and background look like thwy were underwater took some research. Image size 14"x 17". Medium color pencil, gouache , and some marker and micron pen.
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Man! Lookit the size of those of those basket sponges! When I saw the "Thumbnail" I thought these two were salvaging a sunken cannon. Then I saw the full view and realized it was your "Mouse" characters. I really like the "Free floating" feeling you captured in this image.
That's very nice. I really like the explanations you have for these scenes. They're so in depth, like you've thought out every little detail of these pictures. :3 Along a similar concept, I think it'd be neat to see one of them swimming with a "bigum" you mentioned.
Well since Petina took great relish in explaining how the shot was taken one night in a dream of mine, it was just a matter of taking notes mentally. Besides she still has one of the promo posters and has explained the scenario to several other characters since then. Note. The poster is about 24'x 36" so both of them are large than life in it....which seems to describe their personalities quite nicely!
This is probably a silly question (I am not an economist), but is there a size disparity in pay since mice consume resources on a smaller scale (that is, a nice big'um napkin could provide enough material for an entire bedsheet or several dresses for a mouse)? If there is, I would assume that there is a great deal of segregation based on size as it would mean the same jobs would pay in scale to the worker's size. If not, are all mice generally considered wealthy since they can purchase more with the same salary?
The smaller materials requirements will be far out shadowed by the extra handling needed to make the outfit. For example: a high class gown or suit may have slightly better materials than your average clothing, but the manpower needed to make them is considerably higher. Almost every step of the design and manufacturing process for mice should cost more that that of bigums. This should hold constant for just about everything except living and travel expenses.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Got in one! Actually in many ways mouse clothing and garments are much more expensive since the quality control has to be held to such tight tolerances! In fact mouse clothing can cost as much as bigum clothes depending on what being made. Making zippers and buckles that are that small put still strong enough and reliable enough for real use is not easy. This also applies to many other consumer goods
Now things like food and housing can be cheaper, especially since mice often live in a much more "communal" environment where mice will often pool resources buy items in bulk. In some communities is carries down to things like cooking where large batch of something will be prepared and then distributed to whole community.
Also there is a long traditions in most bigum societies that interacted with mice of rent out part of your home to mice families. In fact when magic was common in the world it was considered good luck to have a mouse family, or families, move in since they would often ward the house with protective spells. Therefore it became common, especially in Europe, to construct mouse specific quarters into roofs of houses in much the same way people build martin houses in ours today.
Now things like food and housing can be cheaper, especially since mice often live in a much more "communal" environment where mice will often pool resources buy items in bulk. In some communities is carries down to things like cooking where large batch of something will be prepared and then distributed to whole community.
Also there is a long traditions in most bigum societies that interacted with mice of rent out part of your home to mice families. In fact when magic was common in the world it was considered good luck to have a mouse family, or families, move in since they would often ward the house with protective spells. Therefore it became common, especially in Europe, to construct mouse specific quarters into roofs of houses in much the same way people build martin houses in ours today.
I thought of that possibility as well, considering it would be difficult for bigums to work on a miniature scale, but does that still hold if Mice also design, build the apparatus, and work every step of the manufacturing process? The cost of the base materials however should still favor smaller creatures, shouldn't it?
The only place I don't see it being easy is with electronics that are already shrunk to the physical limits of current technology (as demonstrated by Baron's 'iPac'). For example, mice would handle microphones and video cameras that would normally only show up in the hands of the bigums' CIA.
The only place I don't see it being easy is with electronics that are already shrunk to the physical limits of current technology (as demonstrated by Baron's 'iPac'). For example, mice would handle microphones and video cameras that would normally only show up in the hands of the bigums' CIA.
You've actually answered your own question when you mentioned electronics. You are still thinking on a macro scale with the other products while EVERYTHING in the world of mice would have to be made on a micro scale.
It would be hard to machine manufacture shirts for mice when a lightbulb is bigger than their entire body, a needle is half their height, and a standard t-shirt seam is wider than their arms. The fact that they would even bother with zippers is quite impressive to me. Then we need to consider that materials behave differently on such a micro scale.
Examples:
A standard piece of paper looks and feels fairly smooth (especially photo paper) but paper is really made from a bunch of fibers. Here are some pics of paper magnified up to 200 times:http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/04/.....re-everywhere/
Sheets have thread counts (threads per square inch) ranging from 80 to 1000, while 200-300 are the most common. I doubt that they would feel nearly as soft to mice that would be able to stick their claws between individual threads with ease.
A high resolution digital photo might look smooth and sharp to us, but if you increase the magnification a couple times you would see how they perceived the original image.
Consider the Honey, I Shrunk The Kids movies, or Gulliver's Travels, for further examples.
The world of mice would require their very own, mostly separate, economy. Almost every mouse product would have to be hand-finished by other mice with only the largest of pieces being manufactured by bigums. Consider the difficulties we are having with nano technology; now apply them to something as simple as clothing or cookware. This would just be the very beginning of the difficulties they would face. Any mechanical device that a mouse uses would have to be built with tolerances that meet, or exceed, those of the newest robots and smallest of watches. A long history of coexistence would make things easier, but it would still be a fairly complex solution.
It would be hard to machine manufacture shirts for mice when a lightbulb is bigger than their entire body, a needle is half their height, and a standard t-shirt seam is wider than their arms. The fact that they would even bother with zippers is quite impressive to me. Then we need to consider that materials behave differently on such a micro scale.
Examples:
A standard piece of paper looks and feels fairly smooth (especially photo paper) but paper is really made from a bunch of fibers. Here are some pics of paper magnified up to 200 times:http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/04/.....re-everywhere/
Sheets have thread counts (threads per square inch) ranging from 80 to 1000, while 200-300 are the most common. I doubt that they would feel nearly as soft to mice that would be able to stick their claws between individual threads with ease.
A high resolution digital photo might look smooth and sharp to us, but if you increase the magnification a couple times you would see how they perceived the original image.
Consider the Honey, I Shrunk The Kids movies, or Gulliver's Travels, for further examples.
The world of mice would require their very own, mostly separate, economy. Almost every mouse product would have to be hand-finished by other mice with only the largest of pieces being manufactured by bigums. Consider the difficulties we are having with nano technology; now apply them to something as simple as clothing or cookware. This would just be the very beginning of the difficulties they would face. Any mechanical device that a mouse uses would have to be built with tolerances that meet, or exceed, those of the newest robots and smallest of watches. A long history of coexistence would make things easier, but it would still be a fairly complex solution.
I see your point, but I'm not certain I made myself clear above. If mice make the tools, that is, engineering them to their tolerances to begin with, and construct the machines to manufacture, the lightbulb wouldn't be bigger than their entire body (they could light an entire factory with a handful of LEDs for that matter - resulting in an electric bill comparable to what a bigum business pays for a toner cartridge each year) and the needle wouldn't be half their size. Zippers could easily be made tiny by smaller hands and would only have to stand up to mouse strength.
I definitely agree with your point on thread density and that certain materials would have to be finer. This I could see as a balancer of sorts. On the other hand, it could also be quite decadent for a bigum to own a genuine mouse-sewn bedsheet with a thread density beyond what any bigum manufacturer would be capable of producing - and expensive too, since an entire factory could probably only work on one of these 'special commisions' over the course of a month.
I think you hit the nail on the head with positing separate economies - since the cost savings that triggered my original question came from the point of interaction with bigums - that is, the purchase of raw materials.
If nothing else, I think we've both proved that the implications of interaction between large and small intelligent beings would be complex and fascinating.
I definitely agree with your point on thread density and that certain materials would have to be finer. This I could see as a balancer of sorts. On the other hand, it could also be quite decadent for a bigum to own a genuine mouse-sewn bedsheet with a thread density beyond what any bigum manufacturer would be capable of producing - and expensive too, since an entire factory could probably only work on one of these 'special commisions' over the course of a month.
I think you hit the nail on the head with positing separate economies - since the cost savings that triggered my original question came from the point of interaction with bigums - that is, the purchase of raw materials.
If nothing else, I think we've both proved that the implications of interaction between large and small intelligent beings would be complex and fascinating.
I think you have answered your own question again. Services like food, housing, and utilities will be cheaper because of the smaller demand, but the manner in which those services are delivered will be more expensive.
Most mouse products will not be machine manufactured because of the expensive miniaturization needed to make them work. Taking even the simplest bigum machine and making it 1/100th its original size be neither cheap nor easy. We already use machines to create the machines that create the final product, but mice would need a couple more iterations thrown in before they can get the product. Then there are the many differences between the design and operation of macro and micro sized machines. If mouse products are mostly hand-made, they lose most of the economies of scale advantage that bigums have. There is a real subtle cascading affect on cost that adds up many small things to create a much more expensive final product.
There are definitely services and products that would be very beneficial to bigums. This wouldn't make mouse products much cheaper, but it would give them the heavy cash flow needed to support their economy. To use the example of sheets again, mouse-made sheets would have a market in both the bigum and mouse world. To bigums, they would be ultra luxurious goods that would demand top prices. To mice, the exact same products would be required to fill the needs of a standard good. The high demand for both products would make the selling price quite high, and bring equally high profits to the mice.
I completely agree! I'm having to think in new directions just to make sure that I my interactions don't get messed up down the line. They are already a little off because we aren't in a society that has been coexisting with anthromorphic mice for generations. The magnitude of the differences would probably be much less than what I am imagining above, but there is no way to know for sure.
Most mouse products will not be machine manufactured because of the expensive miniaturization needed to make them work. Taking even the simplest bigum machine and making it 1/100th its original size be neither cheap nor easy. We already use machines to create the machines that create the final product, but mice would need a couple more iterations thrown in before they can get the product. Then there are the many differences between the design and operation of macro and micro sized machines. If mouse products are mostly hand-made, they lose most of the economies of scale advantage that bigums have. There is a real subtle cascading affect on cost that adds up many small things to create a much more expensive final product.
There are definitely services and products that would be very beneficial to bigums. This wouldn't make mouse products much cheaper, but it would give them the heavy cash flow needed to support their economy. To use the example of sheets again, mouse-made sheets would have a market in both the bigum and mouse world. To bigums, they would be ultra luxurious goods that would demand top prices. To mice, the exact same products would be required to fill the needs of a standard good. The high demand for both products would make the selling price quite high, and bring equally high profits to the mice.
I completely agree! I'm having to think in new directions just to make sure that I my interactions don't get messed up down the line. They are already a little off because we aren't in a society that has been coexisting with anthromorphic mice for generations. The magnitude of the differences would probably be much less than what I am imagining above, but there is no way to know for sure.
Well they don't mind the aquariums either. In fact one of Petina's and Jackie's jobs at the Mouse Trap, the brothel they worked at, was on nights when they weren't "hands on" with the customers they'd work the fish tank! Along with some other mice who were not adverse to water, they'd put little mermaid suits and swim around one of the aquariums where customers would gather in the restraunt garden.
Both Petina and Jackie still in enjoy swimming and Petina has several aquaruims in her house in Monterey. She's even had one lugged back to Andur, I know since I had to help carry it up the stairs, so she can swim there too.
Both Petina and Jackie still in enjoy swimming and Petina has several aquaruims in her house in Monterey. She's even had one lugged back to Andur, I know since I had to help carry it up the stairs, so she can swim there too.
mice furry's are small in this world of yours? well the idea is nice and cool (and i have seen this before lots of times :P ) but i'm just wondering, are there any life size mice in this world? like regular human hight? i'm just wondering is all, i never got to ask other artist who do these
P.S great pic :D but i wonder how they make swim suits like those for girls their size
P.S great pic :D but i wonder how they make swim suits like those for girls their size
To answer the first question, no. All adult mice range in height form about 6.75" for a small female to about 9.5" for a large male. They are the smallest intelligent species left in my world by a fair margin , and it is thought that they must still possess some residual magic that lets them function at such a small size. On a couple occassions Petina has been accidentally made big by magic, about 5' tall in Andur, but those are oddball anomolies.
To answer the second question, very carefully! Even with years of making fabric and garments that fit mice there is still an annoyingly high rate of rejects and failures. In fact mice clothing can cost as much as bigum clothing.
To answer the second question, very carefully! Even with years of making fabric and garments that fit mice there is still an annoyingly high rate of rejects and failures. In fact mice clothing can cost as much as bigum clothing.
Yes there was once magic. In fact it is believed that magic was responsible for the sudden rise of intelligent species about 50,000 to a 100,000 year agos, depending who you ask. In what I refer to as the "Modern World" which makes up the Angel and Knight universe/ dreamscape, magic slowly faded away until it vanished in the late 16th century. Lately though there are those, Twitch being one of them, who believe that it hasn't completely gone away it just harder to get at and are trying to use magic to bridge the gap.
Andur,is 14th century northeast african city state that is located in an alternative reality for the Modern World. Magic is starting to noticeably fade there but it still available to those with the talent and training. Petina is one of several of my characters who travel back and forth between these realities/ dreamscapes in my sleep.
At the moment I do not have a single location that you can get complete source of all the world information. It is something I've been longing to do, and with over 12 years of remembered lucid dreams I definitely have the material. It is just a matter of finding the time to write all up! If you have any more questions let me know.
Andur,is 14th century northeast african city state that is located in an alternative reality for the Modern World. Magic is starting to noticeably fade there but it still available to those with the talent and training. Petina is one of several of my characters who travel back and forth between these realities/ dreamscapes in my sleep.
At the moment I do not have a single location that you can get complete source of all the world information. It is something I've been longing to do, and with over 12 years of remembered lucid dreams I definitely have the material. It is just a matter of finding the time to write all up! If you have any more questions let me know.
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