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I've been using Lysol and a doggy brush after every suit outing.
I wear a full-body underarmour suit underneath that usually catches most of my sweat. How long do you usually wait before giving the suit an actual bath? I've heard tub-bathing isn't really necessary until yor suit stinks because it wears down the suit. Do you bathe yours after every use?
And is Lysol spray equivalent to using your diluted alcohol method? I've never heard of it having any harsh chemicals, and my suit has no airbrushing, but if it degrades my costume in any way I need to stop ASAP!
Thanks for the help B)
I wear a full-body underarmour suit underneath that usually catches most of my sweat. How long do you usually wait before giving the suit an actual bath? I've heard tub-bathing isn't really necessary until yor suit stinks because it wears down the suit. Do you bathe yours after every use?
And is Lysol spray equivalent to using your diluted alcohol method? I've never heard of it having any harsh chemicals, and my suit has no airbrushing, but if it degrades my costume in any way I need to stop ASAP!
Thanks for the help B)
I don't wash my suit after every wear, goodness no! I do disinfect it after every *heavy* wear though (if I sweated into it a lot, I disinfected it!)
I wash it once it either starts smelling, or the dried sweat sticks into the fur and makes it "spike" up and hard to brush!
As for lysol, I would look into it. If it says on the bottle that it's not for clothing, prolonged skin contact, or breathing in, you probably shouldn't use it!
Here is some more information on ingredients that are dangerous: http://www.fursuit.org/node/31
I wash it once it either starts smelling, or the dried sweat sticks into the fur and makes it "spike" up and hard to brush!
As for lysol, I would look into it. If it says on the bottle that it's not for clothing, prolonged skin contact, or breathing in, you probably shouldn't use it!
Here is some more information on ingredients that are dangerous: http://www.fursuit.org/node/31
Just to amend this: Your photo shows 91% alcohol, which is harder to find (and more expensive). You recommend mixing it 60/40 to water (e.g. final ratio = 54% alcohol).
To get the same ratio with 70% alcohol, mix it in around an 80/20 ratio with water (final ratio = 56%).
As others have said, thanks for the guide! I didn't realize alcohol was O.K. for such purposes and am glad to know that now. :)
To get the same ratio with 70% alcohol, mix it in around an 80/20 ratio with water (final ratio = 56%).
As others have said, thanks for the guide! I didn't realize alcohol was O.K. for such purposes and am glad to know that now. :)
Im not sure if it was mentioned above at all but littlebluewolfleo has found that before any kind of disinfecting, that you wipe down the inside of a head with a paper towel first to absorb any moisture before spraying any alcohol mixture. Just my 2 cents! ^^
Other than that, I have always LOVED your suit cleaning tutorials. It helps SO many people Im sure who have NO idea on how to properly clean their suits!
A clean suit is a SMELL GOOD suit! :D
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Other than that, I have always LOVED your suit cleaning tutorials. It helps SO many people Im sure who have NO idea on how to properly clean their suits!
A clean suit is a SMELL GOOD suit! :D
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I've been using this method pretty much since I've been involved with fursuiting. It's safe, cheap and effective :)
Whenever I see a fursuiter using harsh chemicals such as End Bac, Lysol or equivalent I let them know that they're doing more harm than good to their fursuit and themselves. (Why do you wanna use what is essentially bathroom disinfectant on your critter??) I have turned quite a few fursuiters over to the alcohol\water trick. No complaints so far!
Now I know that Lysol and such will degrade foam and materials in fursuits, but I can't see Febreeze do that in moderation. I do notice that it leaves an oily residue on the surface of the fabric if the suit is doused in the stuff.
Whenever I see a fursuiter using harsh chemicals such as End Bac, Lysol or equivalent I let them know that they're doing more harm than good to their fursuit and themselves. (Why do you wanna use what is essentially bathroom disinfectant on your critter??) I have turned quite a few fursuiters over to the alcohol\water trick. No complaints so far!
Now I know that Lysol and such will degrade foam and materials in fursuits, but I can't see Febreeze do that in moderation. I do notice that it leaves an oily residue on the surface of the fabric if the suit is doused in the stuff.
Exactly this! I'd be really afraid to use something harmful to a suit and myself (especially when it's pressed against your face, who knows what it could do over time! Also because I'm pretty allergic to any harsh cleaners, so I like to use things that get the job done but don't cause any nasty problems.)
This is really useful, I'm going to try it out :)
This is really useful, I'm going to try it out :)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubbing_alcohol
I like it cus it gets rid of bacteria, gets rid of oils from sweat, is not harmful to the suit, and doesn't leave a smell behind!
I like it cus it gets rid of bacteria, gets rid of oils from sweat, is not harmful to the suit, and doesn't leave a smell behind!
It is something I would need to test, who knows if it is safe for a fursuit. Certain things could crack, such as clay, plastic, resin. Who knows what could happen. Until I have time to test all of the materials and make sure it is safe, I would stick to what I know works.
I agree. Also, freezing to fight bacteria reminds me of Pasteurization. When a liquid is Pasteurized, it is first boiled to kill as many bacteria cells as possible. The liquid is then brought down to a low temperature, so the remaining (living) cells will become dormant. At low temperatures, they won't die, but their reproductive rate will be slowed significantly enough to keep them from becoming harmful, or, as in this case, simply causing a bad oder.
I would be really careful doing this. Alcohol can damage certain plastics. Even if plastics seem impervious to liquids, it doesn't mean that they are, and alcohol could break down the plastic over time.
Alcohol degrades certain plastics while others are not affected. Many plastics such as vinyl, nylon and polyethylenes (used in bottles) are not affected. Unfortunately, acrylic fibers used for faux fur and polyurethane foam are affected by alcohol to some extent. Some fibers might be more resistant than others, it depends on how it's made and what additives they use during the manufacturing process.
Plastic stuff isn't all made out of plastic either, it usually has additives such as color pigments, plasticizers (which make them flexible) and fillers, among other things. Vinyl and polyester resin (clear or colored solid parts) are not affected by alcohol, but the alcohol can leach the additives out of the mix, leaving a chalky or milky appearance. The color changes you might have noticed on old computer cases, this is caused by the additives in the plastic breaking down over time, not the plastic itself.
On the inside of the fursuit fabric and head I think it's probably OK to do this, but on the outside I would avoid using alcohol on any plastic parts like claws, eyes or teeth or on any airbrushed or painted areas. Don't douse the whole thing in alcohol.
Definitely test an inconspicuous area of the fursuit first, and let it dry completely, to check, before applying any chemicals. If you don't notice any changes, it's probably OK to use alcohol.
You may also want to ask the manufacturer of acrylic and foam materials if they are compatible with different chemicals you intend to use on them.
source: I used to be in charge of quality control at a plastics manufacturing plant.
Alcohol degrades certain plastics while others are not affected. Many plastics such as vinyl, nylon and polyethylenes (used in bottles) are not affected. Unfortunately, acrylic fibers used for faux fur and polyurethane foam are affected by alcohol to some extent. Some fibers might be more resistant than others, it depends on how it's made and what additives they use during the manufacturing process.
Plastic stuff isn't all made out of plastic either, it usually has additives such as color pigments, plasticizers (which make them flexible) and fillers, among other things. Vinyl and polyester resin (clear or colored solid parts) are not affected by alcohol, but the alcohol can leach the additives out of the mix, leaving a chalky or milky appearance. The color changes you might have noticed on old computer cases, this is caused by the additives in the plastic breaking down over time, not the plastic itself.
On the inside of the fursuit fabric and head I think it's probably OK to do this, but on the outside I would avoid using alcohol on any plastic parts like claws, eyes or teeth or on any airbrushed or painted areas. Don't douse the whole thing in alcohol.
Definitely test an inconspicuous area of the fursuit first, and let it dry completely, to check, before applying any chemicals. If you don't notice any changes, it's probably OK to use alcohol.
You may also want to ask the manufacturer of acrylic and foam materials if they are compatible with different chemicals you intend to use on them.
source: I used to be in charge of quality control at a plastics manufacturing plant.
Very interesting stuff! Thanks for the info. :)
From my research, I have found that most of the fursuiters who use the alcohol method of disinfectant are the "pro" fursuiters, the ones who have been at this for 10+ years, and also professional mascots! So I'm assuming they know what they're talking about and have done tests.
But to be sure, I will be doing some tests myself with some various fur fabrics and straight alcohol. I will douse them and lay them out to dry (probably will do this a few times) and see if there are any changes.
I've been doing this for a few years now and haven't noticed any ill effects what-so-ever (even rubbing down the outside of the fur with the alcohol) so I THINK it should be okay on fur! But I will do some tests.
Thanks again for the info! :)
From my research, I have found that most of the fursuiters who use the alcohol method of disinfectant are the "pro" fursuiters, the ones who have been at this for 10+ years, and also professional mascots! So I'm assuming they know what they're talking about and have done tests.
But to be sure, I will be doing some tests myself with some various fur fabrics and straight alcohol. I will douse them and lay them out to dry (probably will do this a few times) and see if there are any changes.
I've been doing this for a few years now and haven't noticed any ill effects what-so-ever (even rubbing down the outside of the fur with the alcohol) so I THINK it should be okay on fur! But I will do some tests.
Thanks again for the info! :)
It's probably OK to do especially if you test it first, but I think you should put this out there, because of the huge variety of materials you see in fursuits and the many different sources people use for those materials... including USED couch cushions... yuck.
And considering the nature of the furry fandom where people tend to do stupid things with some regularity, it should be mentioned, that there are things you shouldn't do... like don't do this around open flame for example, alcohol is flammable, and it's worse when you spray it as a fine mist.
I'm interested to see the results of your test, especially if there are different brands that you could test. I kind of suspect the better brands will be more resistant but I don't know about the cheaper. Test the foam too if you use foam. I suspect it will actually be more sensitive than the fibers.
And considering the nature of the furry fandom where people tend to do stupid things with some regularity, it should be mentioned, that there are things you shouldn't do... like don't do this around open flame for example, alcohol is flammable, and it's worse when you spray it as a fine mist.
I'm interested to see the results of your test, especially if there are different brands that you could test. I kind of suspect the better brands will be more resistant but I don't know about the cheaper. Test the foam too if you use foam. I suspect it will actually be more sensitive than the fibers.
Thanks for this. I'm very-very picky with it comes to smells and I really like to smell nice, in and out of suit. My personal method, if I really can't tell if I smell, because I'm anal like that, I may just ask another fursuiter or someone out of suit to smell me and just flat out tell me. I won't take offense, lol. I want to smell nice. I also need to buy some underarmor.
My original head I first made needs a good-good spray down with alcohol, because it has a funk to it. (Extremely guilty, now) So, I think I'll go do that right now! 8) Thanks for this wonderful guide, hon! I plan to be a nice smelling suit!
My original head I first made needs a good-good spray down with alcohol, because it has a funk to it. (Extremely guilty, now) So, I think I'll go do that right now! 8) Thanks for this wonderful guide, hon! I plan to be a nice smelling suit!
Do not use Fabreeze! Other then the facts you already stated, one of the main ingredients is corn!
I have to park in a grass lot in college and I put my head (freshly sprayed with fabreeze)in the trunk for a 3 hour trip. Once there, I learned my car had ant inside and they had infested my head in that short amount of time, using the fabreeze as food. Thankfully they were easier than expected to remove and the head is totally fine now.
I know this won't happen to everyone, but if anyone stores their suit in a garage or shed should be weary!
(I'm also getting a bottle ready for FWA ;3 Gotta keep them suits clean!)
I have to park in a grass lot in college and I put my head (freshly sprayed with fabreeze)in the trunk for a 3 hour trip. Once there, I learned my car had ant inside and they had infested my head in that short amount of time, using the fabreeze as food. Thankfully they were easier than expected to remove and the head is totally fine now.
I know this won't happen to everyone, but if anyone stores their suit in a garage or shed should be weary!
(I'm also getting a bottle ready for FWA ;3 Gotta keep them suits clean!)
First of all, like the others, I want to thank you for posting this. I'm in the process of commissioning my first fursuit head. I asked the maker about keeping the head clean, and she a link to this page, for me. ^!^
Second, I'm thinking it might be helpful to cover the eyes while cleaning the head, to prevent any accidental exposure to the alcohol; especially from spraying. Paper towels should do the job just fine. Cotton rounds, used for removing nail polish, might be convenient, if the eyes are no larger than that size. I would avoid using any kind of tape to hold the masking material (paper towels, etc.) in place, as the adhesives may not be compatible with one or more of the materials in and around the eyes. Just some thoughts that came to me while I was reading this. ^!^
Second, I'm thinking it might be helpful to cover the eyes while cleaning the head, to prevent any accidental exposure to the alcohol; especially from spraying. Paper towels should do the job just fine. Cotton rounds, used for removing nail polish, might be convenient, if the eyes are no larger than that size. I would avoid using any kind of tape to hold the masking material (paper towels, etc.) in place, as the adhesives may not be compatible with one or more of the materials in and around the eyes. Just some thoughts that came to me while I was reading this. ^!^
Well, you'd have to cover them from the inside since it's the inside of the head that's being sprayed and that seems like it would be a bit difficult without using tape! There's not really a way to keep it in place.
I have never had a single issue and I've sprayed my heads more times than I can count, along with friends' and customers' heads. Just be careful, that's all!
I have never had a single issue and I've sprayed my heads more times than I can count, along with friends' and customers' heads. Just be careful, that's all!
Yeah, masking tape would be fine! The balaclava is attached to the inside of the head and there is not very much foam at all visible so there would be no issue with that.
Still, cleaning that method would be a hassle, especially at a con. I wouldn't expect most people to do that, but if it works for you, go for it :)
Still, cleaning that method would be a hassle, especially at a con. I wouldn't expect most people to do that, but if it works for you, go for it :)
I've washed a fursuit head before: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10326457/
But mine have never really been dirty, so I've never had to clean them. Just water and a washcloth is the most I've had to do. However, I have heard good things about Folex carpet cleaner, though I've never used it myself. Sorry I can't help more!
But mine have never really been dirty, so I've never had to clean them. Just water and a washcloth is the most I've had to do. However, I have heard good things about Folex carpet cleaner, though I've never used it myself. Sorry I can't help more!
Just to add to a little (my 2 cents as it were) if you did want a scent other than wintergreen Aqua Velva works good if mixed with the alcohol. The way I do it is 60% IPA 20% AV and 20% water. It works on the inside of suits very well, however i would not use it on the outside as the coloring on the AV might stick to your fur and discolor it. A little aside though it also works good on windows, showers, and waxed floors. :)
Just wanted you to know how helpful this is!
I got my suit on Halloween, so I've only worn it 5-6 times, but I do this afterwards and have had no problems!
On time I wore it as a partial for just 30 minutes or so, so I didn't bother cleaning it out, but I put the head on later that week and it was pretty stinky, but I did this and it smelled better fast. C':
Very helpful, and I'll be sure to follow your other tutorial when it comes time to wash my suit.
I got my suit on Halloween, so I've only worn it 5-6 times, but I do this afterwards and have had no problems!
On time I wore it as a partial for just 30 minutes or so, so I didn't bother cleaning it out, but I put the head on later that week and it was pretty stinky, but I did this and it smelled better fast. C':
Very helpful, and I'll be sure to follow your other tutorial when it comes time to wash my suit.
I've used the 91% alcohol pretty much since I've had my suit, 4 years. However I don't dilute it. (maybe I should) I've never had bad results. One thng your tute did mention, that I had not thought, was to keep it from the eyes, as it could damage the masking/paint. I will definately change the routine next time.
A friend of mine swears by using Vodka. Cheap stuff. He says he's used it for 10 years. It must work, as I've never detected much foul suit odor, just the beers he likes to drink!
Great tutorial!
A friend of mine swears by using Vodka. Cheap stuff. He says he's used it for 10 years. It must work, as I've never detected much foul suit odor, just the beers he likes to drink!
Great tutorial!
this seems extremely helpful... my suit got stuck in someones basement and the basement partially flooded, and now its damp and smell of mildew, so im going to dry it out and try this method of cleaning, hope it works!
Also infinitly more helpful then when i asked the guy who MADE my suit how to fix this problem, his response was "Trying to repair a head from extensive water damage is not a good idea. And that isn't something you want to be putting on your head as it can make you sick. To be honest, I can't really give you any advice... other than you shouldn't leave fursuits in wet places. "
Also infinitly more helpful then when i asked the guy who MADE my suit how to fix this problem, his response was "Trying to repair a head from extensive water damage is not a good idea. And that isn't something you want to be putting on your head as it can make you sick. To be honest, I can't really give you any advice... other than you shouldn't leave fursuits in wet places. "
well its been overnight, in a couple hours im going to go buy alcohol and start cleaning it, the head seems to have dried out a bit (i dont own a fan, and have no means ot obtain one anytime soon) but the paws, specifically the handpaws, are still absolutly soaked through, and the tail is still VERY wet as well.
As a future Fursuiter, hopefully in time for MFF this year, I've been thinking about this method of disinfecting him after use.
One question I have though, is Would it be a good idea to mix in a fragrance of some sort, like mint, with diluted alcohol?
I'll definitely reference this tutorial during MFF and future cons where I'm suiting
One question I have though, is Would it be a good idea to mix in a fragrance of some sort, like mint, with diluted alcohol?
I'll definitely reference this tutorial during MFF and future cons where I'm suiting
Thanks for noting that "Febreze is BAD" thing. I dunno about anyone else, but that stuff can put me in the hospital if I'm around it for more than a few minutes. Using something to actually CLEAN a suit intead of only masking the smell just seems sensible.
...plus there's no $50k apologies neededafter the emergency room.
Clean is good.
...plus there's no $50k apologies neededafter the emergency room.
Clean is good.
Here is some information on why you should not use febreze: http://www.sustainablebabysteps.com/febreze.html
Besides that, it will also leave a greasy residue buildup over time, slowly eat away at the foam, and possibly through the fur backing as well. It is a very harsh chemical not suited for contact with skin or being inhaled.
For more information please visit www.CleanFursuits.weebly.com
Besides that, it will also leave a greasy residue buildup over time, slowly eat away at the foam, and possibly through the fur backing as well. It is a very harsh chemical not suited for contact with skin or being inhaled.
For more information please visit www.CleanFursuits.weebly.com
I wouldn't trust that Febreze link on one basis alone already. It lists Propylene Glycol as a dangerous chemical when it has been studied heavily and found to be harmless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.as.....20&tid=240
That isn't to say though, that Febreze might not be bad for your fursuit in the long run.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.as.....20&tid=240
That isn't to say though, that Febreze might not be bad for your fursuit in the long run.
It also lists this as an ingredient in Febreze:
Alcohol denatured - Also disclosed in the ingredients of Febreze, it's linked to cancer, developmental/reproductive toxicity, organ system toxicity and skin, eyes and lung irritator
That is exactly what isopropyl alcohol aka rubbing alcohol is.
Alcohol denatured - Also disclosed in the ingredients of Febreze, it's linked to cancer, developmental/reproductive toxicity, organ system toxicity and skin, eyes and lung irritator
That is exactly what isopropyl alcohol aka rubbing alcohol is.
Little late here, but I've been using antimicrobial Febreeze so far (it's not easily found in stores, so I have to order it) from the recommendations of many online tutorials on fursuit cleaning. Only now have I seen a couple list Febreeze as "bad". They all seem to point to http://www.sustainablebabysteps.com/febreze.html as the only source for that info. If anyone has personal experience on antimicrobial Febreeze (not the normal Febreeze) degrading fabrics, I'd like to hear them. Thanks for the tutorial!
I'm certainly not an expert by any means on febreze and its ingredients, but if one type is harmful and potentially toxic I'm willing to assume others are as well.
If there's better and safer alternatives out there, why use something that could be bad?
If you find out anything else let me know, I would love to learn!
If there's better and safer alternatives out there, why use something that could be bad?
If you find out anything else let me know, I would love to learn!
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