I liked the Guitar Hero shirt I got last time. X3

I might give this a go, depending on my schedule. :3

-draws stick figure- :D?

you have to buy our friend ship?? COOL! oh can I enter like 57 thousand times?

friendship*!... the ship of friends...

Friendship is a goddamn ship made of friends.

*glubs on the bottom*

On the bottom, eh? Would it make a sound like this?

gahh.. insane feeling to want to snap controller in half approuching ><

will you be my vallentine

possibly :V

does pencil count?
oh, and i can't view francis' bio for some reason...

Yes, if it's not a sketch.

I am pretty interested o.o but i have not a clue on what exactly to draw. : (

FREE MONEY

i knows but . what to exactly do i have to draw is my question xD

the two character competing in something.

like a race, or who has the biggest .... HEAD!

^_^ or who has the best fasion, which would be really hard to decide, they both wear the same thing...

lawl FREE MONEY!!!

Hmmmm. I miiight do this >E:

Hmm sounds interesting... I have any idea but it's non-adult themed.

Non-adult is fine too~

oh hell yeah, count me in ^^

I'm in! >:33

I just may do this I needs money. =3 and I dont care to win, but I do need inspiration.

>offer 150 bucks
>get more than 150 bucks in drawings
>pay 150 bucks to one person, dispite getting art from many people
>trollface

"draw my character" art contests are always a con.

Concur'd

As much as I hate to admit it, mainly because it makes me sound like a dick, I was thinking the SAME thing while reading the description. The user could very well receive 15 pieces.. and then only 1/3rd of those people actually receive any money for the art. Seems like a pretty sleezy way to get art to me.. especially when he could very easily take that money and buy PURCHASE a few commissions. Naw, he just wants the art.

you are free to not enter all you want. Just because you can see other ways for him to spend the money doesn't mean it's not a valid contest. There are plenty of bored artists. I like the idea.

its his birthday...lay off...

...that's the point of a contest. you enter, knowing full well that you may not get anything in return. you're basically agreeing to be giving a giftart if you don't win.

at least there isn't an entry fee like in dog contests and the like.

if you don't feel like entering a /contest/, with the chance of not getting anything for your drawing, that's up to YOU.

It's not like it's a scam. This isn't the first time has done this contest and those going into it for the first time can look at the many incredible pieces that were entered for last year's competition.

Some of us just like the fun of a competition. One person purchasing a commission lets the artist know the opinion on that one purchaser. This contest is judged by a number of people and gives satisfaction along with the prize money.

Those entering just have to look at it like gambling. it's something fun to do and you might luck out with some skill that you can win...

There is a saying about gambling.
The House ALWAYS wins.

The rewards being handed out are, depending on the compentency of those entertering, nowhere near as much as the prize being handed out.

Then again, it depends on the turn-out, I suppose. If only a few people enter, then it's whatever. But should more than, say, 10+ people enter, Bakasaka is getting a -lot- more than he is putting in.

It isn't an individual who is getting conned, it is the sum of all the players. Remember that.

I thought logic and all reason had left this barren wasteland eons ago. good to see I was wrong

It is very sad to see the gross lack of logic on this site.
Every time I see "your comment has been replied to" in reference to this "contest", I expect to be called a troll or something.

Lack of logic isn't really unique to this site. Or any website for that matter. A giant chunk of people in the world lack a certain amount of logic, and general intelligence (just look at what you brought up before... the lottery! also known as the poor tax). Anyway, while you are certainly right on the contest holder having far more to gain then the participants, I don't think that automatically vilifies the host. If you look hard enough any organized competition can be a con. Certainly all competitions are set up for gain (even in non profit organizations, the events are still held for gain; just the gain of "the cause" in that case as oppose to an individual or small group of individuals). So instead of thinking in terms of con or not, one must think of individual gain. Just because someone else is profiting (alot more perhaps), doesn't mean you must rebel against it. That's just spiteful. And wouldn't be too nice if done back at you. Instead you should ask yourself (not you specifically, people in general), what you as an individual have to gain from something. Whether it be participating in any contest, or buying something retail (another potential case of someone gaining alot more), "what is to be gained?"

So let's look at this case. On the one hand, we have a bunch of artists, which according to the ad should be bored and looking for an excuse to draw. What do they have to gain? A modest sum of money that they likely WON'T see, potential reputation+, and the opportunity to sharpen their skills in a competetive environment. In the end an individual must decide for themselves if that is a worthwhile endeavor. What the host has to gain is irrelevant, but let's look at it anyway. A whole bunch of art depicting his characters, from mostly amateur level artists, and only on the vague theme of a competition (ironically enough). Not like a true commission where he could ask for whatever he wants. It's a mixed bag.

So is this a con really? Of course. In the context that everything is essentially a con. But it is really a rather innocent one in my opinion, or at least not as actively malicious as the lottery. There is no cover charge for entering, the hosts gain is unpredictable, and this is a furry art contest on a furry art site... Meaning most of the participants were likely to draw something anyway. It's not really draining any extra resources, and drawing something on demand as oppose to your own whim, can arguably have an experience benefit (a small one but whatever).

A DISCLAIMER. I am not trying to tell you to shut up or call you a troll or anything, just the opposite. I am a huge advocate of free speech, and in fact, rather liked your comments on the journal. People should always challenge each other on things. I was just inspired by your posts to respond... Because. This is the internet. Sometimes a man just needs to argue. Or at least post something more meaningful then "lol." Sometimes.


TL;DR - Life is a con.

Wall of text crits you for 16764 damage.

Definitely TL;DR

thus his/her name is relevant :D

Funny enough, it isn't. It was a missed typo while creating my profile and should read Lang :P I guess it was meant to be to warn others of my terrible illness.

HAHAH :D this was well played sir :)

Not even gambling. When you gamble, probability decides if you win. In a contest like this, skill does.

It's more like a talent show.

It is a contest. Few win, most lose. Those who win get a lot more than their work would otherwise cost.

It's just like a talent show. Do you consider talent shows with prizes "con"s too?

I value your opinion, but your analogy of a talent show is rather weak in some places, Mr Chu.

In a talent show, people put to use a skill which is not ussually used to make any money, one that often doesn't produce semi-permanent, marketable results. As a result, talent shows, why capable of being cons, aren't always as such.

This form of contest is, however. It is tantamount to one person saying "Lets have a give me money contest! Whoever gives me the most money wins! I will give them back 10% of the money I make while keeping the remaining 90% myself."
It is more of a lottery than a talent show in this way.
In short, The contest holder has found and enacted a way to easily get a lot of commissions without having to pay for each, instead only paying a few. These few being the rather predictable, well honed artists who can sometimes swoop in on such things.

But meh... what do I really care. One person could demand a dollar from everyone in the world, and become immensly rich while the populous at general wouldn't suffer severe loses. Same thing I guess.

I still think it is foolhardy to enter into such a contest, though.

"Do you expect me to talk?"
"Never, Mr. Chu, I expect you to reason!"



/weak Bond reference

Drawing furry porn is "not usually used to make any money" either, and lotteries are based on chance, not skill.

By entering the contest, you are implicitly agreeing to the premise of attempting to win more than your art would otherwise be worth, not by rolling the die, but by doing a better job.

If you think you're not good enough to win, AND your only objective is to win, then the solution is to not enter. Of course, there's also to consider the fact that this contest is actually being advertised on FA's ad rotation, and so even a 'loser' can 'win' free publicity for their gallery just by participating. Plus, some artists who are just looking for something new could see it as a new thing to draw.

A "con"(fidence trick, as is the full 'traditional' term) is by its very definition deceptive. There is no deception here. One more reason the label is unfair.

lol a loser? whats that mean some one thats learning to draw? please tell me you did not go there...

No. Pay attention. Obviously I was using the term to refer to someone who entered the contest and didn't win any of the prizes.

You got a good head on your shoulders, Raichuish fellow.

Thanks~

$400 pays for more than just "a few" commissions. We're not talking about work here that will be worth $150. No remotely sensible artist is going to submit a $150 drawing for a very slim chance to win $150. The average worth of the submissions, measured by how much the submitting artist would charge for their submission, likely won't exceed $20 or so. Not worth the 'risk' otherwise, unless of course the artist is truly bored and feels like drawing for free anyway (such as those artists who are having trouble getting commissions -- a chance to get something back for what would otherwise be 'practice' art might be appealing to them, and I certainly wouldn't be one to begrudge their participation in such a scenario).

I will admit that if there are 50 entries, each worth about $20, then yes, the host is getting far more than he risked, and the mere 10% of entrants getting any money back at all should count themselves quite lucky.

It would be a "con" if he was guaranteed to get substantially more value than he's paying for. As there is no such guarantee, and nothing in the contest to require such a return (e.g., >20 entrants), the host is taking at least as much risk as the entrants are. He could end up with 10 stick-figure drawings for his $400. There's no confidence that he'll get a lot of quality entries. At best, it's a gamble for both sides. I believe that's far from a "con" in the sense you describe.

My bet is that he will not get a return on his investment, but the top few winners will. Possibly all 5. Rather the opposite of a con. Care to wager on that? ;)

Look if you don't even like it don't bother even wasting your breath. I know Jack personally he is a man of honor. And yeah this is a gamble, but so is life. If life was a sure thing you would have an expiration date on your forehead. So if you wanna gamble go for it, if you wanna hide in a corner and not do anything that is your choice.

Just as you are doing now, I was simply stating an opinion.
I honestly stopped seeing why I should care if people get conned. As you said, life is a gamble.
The stupid gamble pretty hard. The intelligent size up the give and take of any such transaction.
Life doesn't have to be as much of a gamble as some people make it, sir, with a little thought.

You be suprised how much you gamble with simple odds in your life. Down to the deciding of what you want to eat. ODDS play there too.

I am aware of where odds take there play, sir.
I assure you that I attempt to make sure that, in most things, the odds are in my favor.
I salute you for being more risky and less caring in the potential outcomes of your endeavors.

What if you, like, want to eat a taco. Is that a gamble

Yes you could of had something else or are you gonna get food posioning or diarehha afterwards, all gambles.

All this talk about food is making me hungry.

lol

Just gonna say I'm glad I'm not the only one to have thought this very thing.

I want to join, but I always get really nervous and wus out just before I post the artwork. . . so, if I enter, it would be my first art contest. XD

I think it's because I'm too afraid of being heart broken if I don't win! XD

Same. =)

Very tempting.

Is there any limits to the medium? I have a crazy idea.

Mine would be how much sexual punishment they could take. BDSM all the way.

This is a possible. I won't say that I will or won't do this... depends on how much trouble I have drawing the characters.

i shalll >:]
adults ok?

Adult defiantly OK

YAYA
and danke for the watch <3

Is there any reference pictures of Jack and Francis we can use, or should we go by what's in your gallery? (Which, for those with adult content blocked, isn't much to go on.)

I'm sorry, I don't have ref pic for them, only a text description :\

Oh, that's fine~is it posted on FA, or another site?

On FA, in my scraps:
Jack : http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1958979/
Francis : http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3361325/

Much thanks!

Ohh I' totally going to attempt this!

Soo... it just has to involve both of them, or are they susposed to be fighting in some way? *is curious*

Can be just one by them self. As long as you fit the theme that they are trying to one up the other one way or an other.

Awesome, I gots the sketch done, I'll be doing the rest of it digitally over the next two days. :3

i sent my entry...but it came back failed to me a few times....i hope you got it

O.O *pokes head in*

HEY JACK!!! ITS TI FROM FURFRIGHT!!!!!!! YOUR LIKE GREAT BUDDIES WITH MY SISTER PATCHES!!! XDDDDDD i might join the contest o.o this might be fun :DDDDDDDD ive always wanted to draw jack xDDD ill have to text you soon!!!!

Ok, well, I don't know you, but I saw the ad and am interested.

It seems you're accustomed to Jack and Francis in quite a pornographic manner. Do folks who wish to do clean art have any chance with your panel of judges?

Clean art fairs the same chances.

Yes

FA

I think it sounds really fun, I haven't entered an art contest in a darn long time. D: But I might forget about it. I'll try my best to remember, and enter it! >.<

Sounds like it could be fun ^.^

I'm in on the contest! And Negative Kudos on the drama, guys.

An art competition =/= life. Come on.

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't actually any money to be coughed up once the artists do their end of the trade.

For now, I am skeptical about this..I hate seeing people getting ripped off via trades/contests/commissions/etc.

While I can ignore the others, who simply differ on opinion on competitions. I can not ignore an almost direct attack on my honor, whether you were meaning to or not.

This is not the first year I've done this. Though it is only the second. I gave away an Xbox360 and a DS last year. Didn't have time to pick up systems this year, so going with cash. Everyone who entered last year got a shirt. (I don't have shirts this year... sorry D:)

I understand you have seem other being ripped off, perhaps been a victim yourself as well. I, as you can see, am an art whore, see my sketch books that I've commissioned artist at conventions. While I have many of those, I have done very little online commissions with artist I don't know because I've been burned before. The last thing I would do would be to pass that feeling of disappointment to others.

I assure you. As an Asian man, my sense of honor forbids me to rip people off.

:3

I assure you. As a white man, my sense of liberal guilt white forbids me to point out how weirdly racial your comment was.

But I'm still going to pretend you said "as a Klingon man" instead because I think that's funnier.

You took the racial comment and made it racist. [/claps]

It's what white people are good at!

Sounds really cool that everyone got a shirt last year. (Hell, I love shirts. Makes me wish I had known.) Do people still get some little "thanks for entering" thing this year too?

I don't have anything right now to give as little thank yous. But I didn't least year either until I found lots of extra promo shirts laying around near the end of the contest... I can't guaranty anything this year, but I will try. :3 But until I announce anything on my journal, please assume I've got nothing for little thanks you gifts, sorry D:

Well, I will definitely consider entering. However, I am up to my tail in college work this semester. (Senior level classes that are writing intensive, boo!) Hopefully I will manage to get something submitted though. :P

im entering but i dont want a free shirt. Will be too much effort for you to get it here to my country. :P

AS much as id love to offer i dont have a paypal :(

yummy- cash

i might be interested in doing something for you... (but im currently working on some thing so it going to have to wait a bit )at lest this contest has a long deadline.

i might need to ask someone else to use there pay pall, and get it from them if i win anything at all... i tryd to get my self a paypall account but it didn't except my card and when i tryd again it say it already existed... >.<

stories can be in ink

I could go for it, but I don't have the time

I'm in. Besides drawin is fun and take my free time away.

If I don't forget and then remember at the last minute I'll enter! Gives me an excuse to buckle down and do a nice colored piece. =]

"cracks some knuckles"
Sounds like a challenge to me. ^^

Yes. :3

Yay, :3

multiple entries?

Allowed, but only the best one of yours will count.

Fffff I have an idea but idk if i'll be able to execute it. I half wanna just draw it for the sheer kickassery in my head.



... tempting.

I have seen this advertized and even though those harsh comments of scams I still want to enter. I usually don't win, but if I didn't take a chance at it then it's my loss of having fun drawing something I never drew before. :3

At last. A fur with common sense. That seems to be a very rare trait nowadays...

really? I thought there would be more furs as smart as I am.

Sadly, that comment is about as believable as Kevin Costner's acting career. Furs in this world are quite moronic as well and are quite judgmental, wanting to jump to conclusions than to even use common sense. It's sad.

Considering this is basicly a ploy to get free art of his characters, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to allow other media (sound, writing, ect.) in. Look at the numbers-- if, say, 15 people enter, he's gotten 10 peices of free art at least, which would cost over a thousand dollars if paying regular commission rates. It's a great racket, especially since, as they say, "there's a sucker born every minute."

*offers huggles and giggles* Hee...well Unless you made something that would be fitting then maybe it could work arf ;3

Are you going to judge based on pornographic content again like last year :<?

I didn't.. It was that there were a lot more porn entries then not. But it looks like it's not going to be this way this year. Might be the change of theme, or the first entries being non-porn seems to set the standard? I'm sorry you felt that way but please believe me when I say I didn't, and will not judge like that :3

Not Allowed is: Scat, Necro and Gore. So just not those three. Content is what ever you see fit the theme. You are allowed multiple, but only one will count.

HMmm.....I think I might be interested.

I don't stand a chance against ANY of the artist's entering, but if I have the time I'll give it a shot.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3435398/

my entry!!

Hmmm until the end of march? I've never entered a contest yet. Maybe I'll give it a try when I find some spare time.^^

Good luck all! ^.<>.^

*senses a troll in this topic* >n>

I'm in for $150. Psh. lol

Will finish my pic ASAP. ;3

Is there a limit to the number of times we can enter? Can we only enter one piece?

You can enter multiple times, but only your best one will count

lol, Just for the record, people who say contests are scams amuse me. The definition of the word "contest" must escape them. xD

I've got a cool idea, but it'll probably be done by someone else.. Oh well, even if the idea is used by someone else, how its used will be different ^^

*is drawing*

What is guro?

this should be interesting.

Hmm, I would be VERY interested in taking a shot at this, but I was sort of wondering:

How are these pics going to be judged? You say it's judged by you and a panel, but I'm sort of wondering how they will go about determining who's is the "best"? Like, will the pics be judged more for the idea and creativity, or more for artistic skill, or what? Thanks.

Each judge will have their own way of judging, but will generally be based on creativity.

Sounds good, thanks. Oh, also, how many "judges" are there gonna be?

Not sure how to read the quotes around the word judges, but, as of now, enough :3 at least, I think 7 (including me) is enough.

I'm interested. :O -thinks- Gotta think of a good idea....

i see someone has found out to get over a grand in art for 400 bucks. mabye ill do the same

can you make giant ricariow?

I might have to enter this. ^^

wow this is interesting! let's see if my deadlines at work are finished soon enough..if I got the spare time I'd definitely join

goodness gracious, so tempting >_<

hm, having a bit of money to finally be able to buy me something I want, instead of paying rent or buying food...sounds nice. i think ill try and enter

FUN! MAYBE I will try!

Hello there!

I'm new here, and looking at the contest, the entries, the favs...don't know what to draw! :S

In the description both characters are herm...but wich part of wich sex does they suppose to have? (specially the face...they have male names and allmost all the drawings look like females u_u') and does it have to be sexual related?, can't be more general audience drawings? xD

Don't you have official drawings?

They are supposed to have both parts. I know they have male names, it's supposed to be ironic and they are supposed to look female :3

It doesn't have to be adult~ as seen by the entries thus far, most are tame stuff~

I don't have official reference sheet yet~

Ooooh I see...that explain MANY thing xD

Thanks for the reply!, I'll be uploading my entry soon ^^

i htink the lack of an official referance makes the onctest more intresting. People will copy-paste the images they see from the referance wihtout to much fun variety.

I would enter but I know that I am definitely going to lose to "Jak and Other guy compete who has the biggest cock size!! ^.^"

No matter what quality, since you're accepting adult entries, the PG is definitely going to lose.

So yeah no thanks

First off, Francis is slightly insulted you forgot hir name.

Second, this contest is judged on quality, not adult content.

But, you can do as you wish~ :3

PS. Jack is also slightly upset that you misspelled hir name but understands that might be a simple typo.

It wasn't a typo, it was in mockery of






Nevermind.

how will you transfer the money? paypal?

Paypal~!

Hmmm I'm tempted. when does the competition end? And how do you decide the winner?

End of March, Panel of judges.

oops must have skipped over those parts.

So, way I join too? Have never took part in contests, but...)

It's open to anyone :3

Oh nice seems like fun it is a good thing I found out about this before time ran out I'll do my best =:3

In.

I'll try to enter. I dunno. But I'll try.

I'll try to enter. I dunno. But I'll try.

If only I'd found this earlier D:
I might or might not enter. Gonna see how much time I have and if I feel like it XD

It should be yiff or clean? or any?

It does not matter, it is however you think best matches the theme! One has no advantage over the other~

i done the sketch but i don't believe with all the things going on right now if i can get the time to finish it. sorry, but i think i be dropping from the contest i still finish your picture and send it to you later but theirs no way i can finish on dead line.

I love the poeple arguing that this is somehow a scam- don't like it, don't enter. it's our gamble to take, not yours, so kindly .. please, shush.

nobody made this stink when Brokenwing gave away a laptop as a first prize, with no first prizes below it-.

i personally look at the whole thing as a chance to do art that i might not otherwise do- get practice, and possibly get money.
practice in and of itself is more than worth entering, and the possibility of money is just an added bonus- and, on top of it all, this man gets something that I may otherwise have drawn for myself-
it is a win win, with the possibility of a win win-win, a win-win win, or a win win-win win-

now, clearly, if you're entering to win, then it's probably going to be a lose-win if you don't. . . well, win, but it's still a risk that YOU took, and mister bakasaka her eis not forcing you to do anything.

ITS A TRAP!

Spec Work Sucks.

That is all.

Seemed interesting enough if not very annoying ad to see popping up with not so good looking art of those characters. I normally don't judge art as bad when it's obviously is bad looking but that Ad with that fanart was and is annoyingly bad.

Nice contest though, doesn't seem like a scam if you enjoy drawing. If you are only in it for money, complaining about this contest then don't enter, simple as that. Either way, yay for march almost over!

I don't normally click those ads, but I'm glad I did this time. :P This looks like fun.
I wonder if I have enough time to draw up an entry... Well, can't hurt to try, right?

I love your contests, and i'm trying to raise money for copyright registrations... but i don't wanna make anyone mad again ;^^ lol

Aww~

Good luck with your copyright registration!

if its artwork you want to copyright, you can also do a free way:

put your picture , designs in an envelope, seal it tightly with void tape, then post it to yourself.
Then you always have that as evidence as it contains the date from the post office :D

cant use that in court anymore, people have perfected steaming open envelopes xP gotta pay for notarization from THE MAN! thats where the real security is.

doubt I'll win but i'm always up for a contest 8D

aww dang, I didn't get it done DX