[Tech] God of Laptops
15 years ago
With a little help from my number one folf, I have come across what very well might be the God of Laptops. Something which, for a striking change, I might actually want to purchase.
See, normally trying to find a laptop is like deciding whether I want to poke out an eye, or have my legs broken. I don't really want either of those things to happen. So many laptops these days are just absolute trash, which when you spend at least $1000 for anything decent, is just unacceptable. Plastic? No, sorry, plastic scratches, breaks, discolors and feels like a child's toy. Optical drive? Um, why should I devote a third of the volume of my computer to something which is never necessary after OS installation and can be imitated with an external USB DVD drive? High-resolution screen? Backlit keyboard? Good performance and battery life? It's like you can only pick half of the things you want in a laptop, and instead of saying "I want something which is fast, portable, elegant, and sturdy" you have to say "Wellll, I have a gaming desktop, so even though portable gaming might be nice if I go to a con or on a trip, I don't really neeeed it..." and make sacrifices. It doesn't matter how much money you throw at the problem. But this laptop, this is something different.
Sony Vaio Z series. Think what you will about Sony, they're going somewhere that nobody else seems to explore.
Start with a 13.1" screen, slightly smaller than I have now. Good size. Make it 1080p. Wait, what? Yeah, 1920x1080 with LED backlighting. You know the resolution your 60" TV has? You can carry that around on a 13.1" screen now. I've yet to see that sort of thing on any other device. Around that, build a case from carbon fiber and aluminum, making something which is light, strong, durable, and attractive. Add in a backlit keyboard with ambient light sensor and your standard suite of ports on the side--USB, Gigabit, HDMI, VGA (bleh!), that sort of thing. Speakers too. For good measure, toss in an integrated 3G connection, GPS capability, and of course 802.11-n for wireless. And have an option for no optical drive, so you aren't wasting over a third of the internal volume on something you never actually need to use. So basically, with the exception of a 3D-capable/OLED and/or multitouch display, this thing has all the I/O you could really hope for. Which is sexy. If this was all the device had going for it and it was just standard processors and other parts, I'd be set to buy it already.
But let's look at the real guts. 2.66-3.33 GHz dynamic overclocking (dual core) i7 processor. Nvidia GT 330m discrete graphics with 1 gig of dedicated RAM (up to an extra 3 shared with system memory). 4-8 GB of DDR3 @ 1066 MHz, which actually makes my desktop jealous. Toss in a 120/128 GB solid state drive for good measure, to eliminate spinning parts from the computational side of things (there's probably still a fan inside for cooling). Performance-wise it's somewhat of a monster for its class. It'll play Crysis, L4D2, FEAR 2, Far Cry 2, and other ____ 2 games just fine (Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock 2 might be included in this list). Sure, if you opt for the native 1080p you'll take a performance hit, but the fact that you can run a modern game at close to 30 fps on the highest settings and 1080p, well, that's something you can't even get from consoles these days, and those fuckers have power bricks that weigh more than this thing. Battery-wise you're looking at 3.5-4.5 hours for video playback, 6-6.5 hours for document composition, somewhere between that for web browsing I assume, and 30 seconds for gaming (I kid--I don't know, but does ANYTHING get decent battery life when doing mobile gaming with respectable graphics? No.)
Let me try to recap and put this into perspective for you, just to make sure we're on the same page here. Performance-wise this thing has slightly more CPU oomph than the highest-configured 17" Macbook Pro and 20-50% more GPU performance, specs comparable in every other way (although the screen is 1080 pixels tall instead of the MBP's 1200). And it does this with the size, weight and battery life of the Macbook Air.
There are a few caveats, though. The only version they sell in the US with a 1080p screen is configured all the way up to $4500 (it's a true beast, quad SSD RAID 0 totaling 512 GB of storage space, Blu-ray burner, the works). Don't get me wrong, the 1600x900 version in the store was amazingly fine and beautiful, but there's something sexy about being able to play 1080p content at native resolution, and the resolution support for games would surely be better. They sell a 1080p upgrade for ~$75 in Europe, but to configure it up to what I would want (I'd settle for 4 GB of DDR3 and install my own 120 GB SSD as cost-saving measures) it's going to be $550 more than the American version, ignoring a) the shipping cost, b) worrying about what happens if it breaks, and c) finding someone in the UK who I trust enough to give $2500.
And that's another caveat for both models. The American model would be $2343 with tax and shipping, the UK model would be closer to $2900. Either one is very expensive for a laptop, but when you compare the performance to a Macbook Pro with an SSD, 8 gigs of RAM and 3.06 GHz dual core, you find that the Z offers a good 20% more performance with half the weight and $1000 savings. Regardless of how badly Apple overprices their uber-premium hardware, $2343 isn't a trivial amount of money. But given that I tend to use my laptop on and off for an average of 8 hours a day, every day, for three years... it actually feels a lot more reasonable.
Still, can you think of a more capable mobile device under 6 pounds? It's my belief that it's okay to spend more on something you'll truly love for years, and it's far preferable to saving a few hundred bucks, maybe a thousand, and winding up with a device that pisses you off constantly. This laptop, unlike every other single one I have ever seen, embodies that belief.
Some shots of the Z, to show how pretty it is [link]. When you're looking at it, remember: this thing probably makes your desktop jealous.
Edit: Let it be known that
rinorex is a self-professed troll. Please disregard his comments.
See, normally trying to find a laptop is like deciding whether I want to poke out an eye, or have my legs broken. I don't really want either of those things to happen. So many laptops these days are just absolute trash, which when you spend at least $1000 for anything decent, is just unacceptable. Plastic? No, sorry, plastic scratches, breaks, discolors and feels like a child's toy. Optical drive? Um, why should I devote a third of the volume of my computer to something which is never necessary after OS installation and can be imitated with an external USB DVD drive? High-resolution screen? Backlit keyboard? Good performance and battery life? It's like you can only pick half of the things you want in a laptop, and instead of saying "I want something which is fast, portable, elegant, and sturdy" you have to say "Wellll, I have a gaming desktop, so even though portable gaming might be nice if I go to a con or on a trip, I don't really neeeed it..." and make sacrifices. It doesn't matter how much money you throw at the problem. But this laptop, this is something different.
Sony Vaio Z series. Think what you will about Sony, they're going somewhere that nobody else seems to explore.
Start with a 13.1" screen, slightly smaller than I have now. Good size. Make it 1080p. Wait, what? Yeah, 1920x1080 with LED backlighting. You know the resolution your 60" TV has? You can carry that around on a 13.1" screen now. I've yet to see that sort of thing on any other device. Around that, build a case from carbon fiber and aluminum, making something which is light, strong, durable, and attractive. Add in a backlit keyboard with ambient light sensor and your standard suite of ports on the side--USB, Gigabit, HDMI, VGA (bleh!), that sort of thing. Speakers too. For good measure, toss in an integrated 3G connection, GPS capability, and of course 802.11-n for wireless. And have an option for no optical drive, so you aren't wasting over a third of the internal volume on something you never actually need to use. So basically, with the exception of a 3D-capable/OLED and/or multitouch display, this thing has all the I/O you could really hope for. Which is sexy. If this was all the device had going for it and it was just standard processors and other parts, I'd be set to buy it already.
But let's look at the real guts. 2.66-3.33 GHz dynamic overclocking (dual core) i7 processor. Nvidia GT 330m discrete graphics with 1 gig of dedicated RAM (up to an extra 3 shared with system memory). 4-8 GB of DDR3 @ 1066 MHz, which actually makes my desktop jealous. Toss in a 120/128 GB solid state drive for good measure, to eliminate spinning parts from the computational side of things (there's probably still a fan inside for cooling). Performance-wise it's somewhat of a monster for its class. It'll play Crysis, L4D2, FEAR 2, Far Cry 2, and other ____ 2 games just fine (Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock 2 might be included in this list). Sure, if you opt for the native 1080p you'll take a performance hit, but the fact that you can run a modern game at close to 30 fps on the highest settings and 1080p, well, that's something you can't even get from consoles these days, and those fuckers have power bricks that weigh more than this thing. Battery-wise you're looking at 3.5-4.5 hours for video playback, 6-6.5 hours for document composition, somewhere between that for web browsing I assume, and 30 seconds for gaming (I kid--I don't know, but does ANYTHING get decent battery life when doing mobile gaming with respectable graphics? No.)
Let me try to recap and put this into perspective for you, just to make sure we're on the same page here. Performance-wise this thing has slightly more CPU oomph than the highest-configured 17" Macbook Pro and 20-50% more GPU performance, specs comparable in every other way (although the screen is 1080 pixels tall instead of the MBP's 1200). And it does this with the size, weight and battery life of the Macbook Air.
There are a few caveats, though. The only version they sell in the US with a 1080p screen is configured all the way up to $4500 (it's a true beast, quad SSD RAID 0 totaling 512 GB of storage space, Blu-ray burner, the works). Don't get me wrong, the 1600x900 version in the store was amazingly fine and beautiful, but there's something sexy about being able to play 1080p content at native resolution, and the resolution support for games would surely be better. They sell a 1080p upgrade for ~$75 in Europe, but to configure it up to what I would want (I'd settle for 4 GB of DDR3 and install my own 120 GB SSD as cost-saving measures) it's going to be $550 more than the American version, ignoring a) the shipping cost, b) worrying about what happens if it breaks, and c) finding someone in the UK who I trust enough to give $2500.
And that's another caveat for both models. The American model would be $2343 with tax and shipping, the UK model would be closer to $2900. Either one is very expensive for a laptop, but when you compare the performance to a Macbook Pro with an SSD, 8 gigs of RAM and 3.06 GHz dual core, you find that the Z offers a good 20% more performance with half the weight and $1000 savings. Regardless of how badly Apple overprices their uber-premium hardware, $2343 isn't a trivial amount of money. But given that I tend to use my laptop on and off for an average of 8 hours a day, every day, for three years... it actually feels a lot more reasonable.
Still, can you think of a more capable mobile device under 6 pounds? It's my belief that it's okay to spend more on something you'll truly love for years, and it's far preferable to saving a few hundred bucks, maybe a thousand, and winding up with a device that pisses you off constantly. This laptop, unlike every other single one I have ever seen, embodies that belief.
Some shots of the Z, to show how pretty it is [link]. When you're looking at it, remember: this thing probably makes your desktop jealous.
Edit: Let it be known that
rinorex is a self-professed troll. Please disregard his comments.
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Bloody fanboys -.o thanks for the wonderful input.
Looks like an awesome lappy, dunno how hot that thing would run or its overall lifespan... Most lappys with such power have a huge need for massive air intake and heat generates within it like the bloody sun.
Dunno... I've just seen laptops with such high specs fall into dust due to bad heat management. I mean most cant even be LAPTOP laptops. Haveta be 'on desk' laptops :>
It sounds good, but overpriced imo... I'm liking the 13.1'' true 1920x1080 resolution screen though! :D
...why? >:C!!!!!
HDMI has a shit ton of internal overhead that is completely unnecessary.
HDMI (and any digital transport medium) is susceptible to the "digital cliff" effect...
I guarantee I can run a VGA cable farther than any HDMI (or DVI) cable, with the same construction quality and without any signal repeaters or conditioners.
Also, DVI and VGA cables are remarkably cheaper for quality cables compared to HDMI...
You like HDMI only because the market wants you to... In reality it sucks... "Digital" isn't everything...
Digital > Analog in this case. There are situations where analog stuff is simply better for quality, such as art and audio. However, computers work digitally. Images are composed digitally. Screens draw digitally. A pixel in the image buffer should be exactly reproduced on the screen. Making it analog removes that 1:1 correspondence and gives you nothing except the potential for longer cables. Why? Because analog is more tolerant of the signal being altered. But I'm completely intolerant of that, so I really have no place in my display cables for analog stuff. And DVI/HDMI cables are so cheap these days, I got a 25-foot one for... I dunno, 20 bucks or less.
Somewhere I got the idea that Sony tends to use proprietary chipsets in their laptops, causing some quirky software issues. It'd be nice to know if that's really true.
twiledragon: What about it?
Span_Wolf: that's my laptop
twiledragon: Well I'm extremely picky about aesthetics, construction, and features :p
Span_Wolf: Sager NP5797 Custom Sager Notebook (Built on Clevo M570ETU)
- 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel® Q9000 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Quad 2.0GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- nVidia GeForce GTX 280M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- No External Graphics Card
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- None Standard--
- NP579x Orange Frame Trim Color
- ~ 2X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
- ~ 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- ~Windows Vista Business 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) + Windows 7 Professional 64 Upgrade Coupon w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
Total: $2,327
WUXGA is sexy, glossy not so much. Core 2 Quad @ 2 GHz isn't shabby, I'm not sure how that impacts battery life when you're doing standard work though. GTX 280M is sweet, RAM is good--I'll be getting the same or double. Trim color wasn't really "me" but if it's to your liking, then great. Blu-ray reading could be handy, hard drive is spacious, 802.11n is good. A very nice laptop, even today. I wouldn't complain about using or owning one, though when it comes to buying, I'd prefer something more portable. I don't have the same portable gaming needs that you do, after all.
a Carbon Fiber shell is good and pretty yes, but the hardware is what you worry about lol.
But Yeah, when I walked into the Sony store recently these little laptops are what caught my eye first, mainly for me I'm a sucker for the stupid lit up green power button, find that thing pretty and awesome XD I think Sony has taken a page from Apple's book. they create some really nice quality looking products, only thing that kinda draws me away from them is the support. It's been my experience with a mac when it breaks, you take it to the apple store and they know what to do. With Sony there have been quite a few times where we've taken a Sony product back to the sony store, and the people just shrugged and said we should just buy another one. There is a really bad lack of support on Sony's end.
Also, I haven't looked into it too much, but I'm not sure if Sony offers AMD processors and ATI graphics. I don't really mind if it's a nvidia or an ati, but I really don't want to run intel stuff on my computer.
Besides, I'm really sick of hearing my Applehugging friends bragging about how powerful their Macbooks are, and finding a PC that's actually comparable to it is an absolute godsend in my opinion.
# Max. External Display Resolution via HDMIâ„¢ : 1920x1080
# Max. External Resolution via VGA : 2048x1536
I would use VGA for the higher res when hooking up to a external monitor.
The res on the LCED (What I call the LCD/LED hybrid screens) is only 1600x900, but not bad for a 13.1 inch screen.
(This is on the basic Z version that is $1900)
I still have the tank notebook, the Dell Inspiron 9100, that costed me $1,649 for it back in 2004, and it really drains the battery in 1 hour, and 7 other notebooks (1 - 133 MHz, 1 - 300 MHz, 1 - 500 MHz, 2 - 700 MHz, 1 - 800 MHz, and a 2.4 GHz notebook).
Overall of the Sony Vaio Z notebook, it's a really good notebook for what needs to get done.
The 1600x900 in the store was gorgeous. I could put my face 9 inches from the screen and it looked as good as my current laptop does from 18-24 inches. The 1080p option, as I said, requires either the $4500 ultra-premium build or the European import. That's the main annoyance with it right now, they're trying to make 1080p a premium in the US. Still, if you have the money, you CAN get it, which is more than other laptop manufacturers can say.
That being said, I would seriously prefer having atleast a mini-DVI interface over VGA. Sure, you're stuck using a dongle to be able to use a regular DVI cable, but atleast you'll get a much better picture compared to VGA. There is a reason why VGA is being killed off, and it's not some damned conspiracy. Sure, it's good for long distance runs, but outside of using a projector, how many possible reasons would you have to have a cable that long? IMO, I say good riddance to VGA. It's time has come, and we have DVI and Display Port as it's successors.
And for those that riff on HDMI being included on any kind of laptop, it's a damn convenient port to have when you either: a) Want to make a quick presentation on-site that lacks the proper setup, or you are very short on time. b) You want to hook up your computer up to a TV to play streaming content. (Not everyone has a console you know...) This is particularly convenient since TV's with dedicated DVI ports being extremely rare these days. It also cuts setup time in half since the cable gives the computer the ability to poll the TV to find out what native resolution it supports, and output that to the TV. (Anyone that's had to fool with finding the best looking resolution with a TV using s-video or component will know exactly what I'm talking about.
Anyway, seeing as this is supposed to be a laptop for business uses, that presentation stuff is especially relevant.
And yeah, S-vid... back in the '02-'05 period I hooked my computers up to TVs often, using s-vid. It was a nasty bitch to pick the resolution.
Yeah, I'm not in a rush in getting a 1080p screen because a lot of stuff still runs 720p and 1080i more than 1080p.
I'm all about 1080p screens because I use them for PC gaming (which runs at 1080p), Blu-ray playback (which runs at 1080p) and general computer use (which runs at any resolution evar).
That reminds me, I really should buckle down and buy a carrying case for my laptop. (HP DV7-2277CL just in-case you're curious.) I also plan on eventually adding some protective film over the back of the display, to help prevent scratching. (It was an x-mas gift)
Think what you will about Sony, they're going somewhere that nobody else seems to explore.
Oh, where fools rush in where angels fear to tread.</rootkit> Sony is pretty much like an Apple that caters to the corporate/business crowd. Apple (Sony in this case) tax all and everything.
In other words, if you're fine with having a laptop that's 15.4 or 17" and 6, 10, 12 pounds to get such resolution and performance, or you don't want that resolution and performance, then cool--be glad that something in the $700-1700 range is a viable option for you. But if you're like me, and you use a computer heavily enough that you really want it to be fast and elegant, then it's nice that this option exists.
It comes close to making my desktop jealous...but not quite.
But yeah. For its size it's a beast, no doubt. Better than I need and about twice as expensive. XD
My current laptop is currently skipping along the ground, losing speed, so I'm looking at replacing it. Though I might just need to clean it up and it'll be good again. But I don't need to replace it with something that powerful. All I do with it is IMs, some PDFs, and a little web browsing.
I'm sure a lot of people don't need hardware like this, but it's worth it to me :3
Ahem. Sorry, it just popped out when I saw the title of your journal.
Besides, might just be me, but at 13" I'd rather have a 1440x900 or 1680x1050 would be much better(totally wants a 1440x900 on his DV2z).
Dell Precision M6400
Intel QX9300 2.53 GHz Quad Core 1066 MHz FSB
8 GB DDR3 RAM 1066 MHz (Supports up to 16 GB)
nVidia Quadro M3700 with 1GB video memory
17" 1920x1200 Screen with LED backlighting
Backlit keyboard with ambiance sensor
1TB HDD (2x500GB)
G3 and GPS
Smart Card and Fingerprint readers
Only downside is that it weighs 9 pounds.