This Is What Happened
15 years ago
So this is the story all about how my life got flipped turned upside down.
At about 11:30ish last night, 6/7/10, I received an AUP Violation notice. It came from an admin who I'd previously had good experiences with. I'm not going to say his name, so he'll be just 'The Admin'.
Anyway, the notice said that my avatar had been removed, for being 'seizure-inducing'. Which, yeah, is true enough. Still though, I was pissed off because of what had happened about a month ago.
~WHAT HAPPENED A MONTH AGO~
1. Some crazy stalker bastard keeps bothering me relentlessly on FA
2. The admins give him a talking to and tell him to back off.
3. All of a sudden, I get notified of a truckload of AUP violations. I now have about thirty missing submissions on my hands.
4. I get royally pissed, first at The Admin, but then my anger shifts abruptly as I realize that someone had to report all those violations. It seems a certain someone went through my gallery and reported every single submission they could find that technically violated the rules.
5. I find out that, due to the grandfathering policy, none of those submissions should have been removed in the first place.
6. The Admin says 'Whoops. I guess you can put them back up if you wanna.'
7. Faced with the task of replacing thirty or so submissions that will absolutely bury everything in my scraps gallery, I say 'Fuggit'.
(By the way, the user who got my submissions taken down [has been dealt with, and it's over now].)
So this is all brought back into my memory as I realize I now have to reupload my avatar.
Except when i go to check on my avatar, it has been replaced.
It's been replaced with one that says "I [heart] FA ADMINISTRATORS."
After a day that hasn't exactly been stress-free at this point, I find out my avatar has been removed and replaced with the absolute last thing on earth I wanna see at that point.
Alfador later made the perfect analogy: "It's like the cops breaking into a store and putting up 'SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT' posters in the windows."
Anyway, I quickly changed my avatar to say "FUCK FURAFFINITY ADMINISTRATORS". Which reflected how I felt and didn't seem to be against the AUP.
I sent a reply back to The Admin saying:
1. I knew nothing of this new rule.
2. I've had the same avatar almost-continuously for FOUR YEARS with nothing but compliments.
3. What the fuck was up with this cutesy-bullshit new avatar!?
I was too angry when I wrote this reply, I admit. I should have been calmer, and my anger didn't help a damn thing. But I did at least try to convey that I didn't expect the 'fuck' avatar to be up very long and that when The Admin took it down, could they please just put up the usual cup o-paintbrushes or a gray square or nothing at all? I told him if it went back to the 'I Admins' avatar, I would raise a humongous stink about it. I should have been clearer.
But it wasn't like I could expect what happened next.
I went about my business and started telling a friend about the whole incident in a PM. It was then that I realized I hadn't saved a copy of the bizarre '' avatar, and maybe I should have, to prove it had actually happened. I thought maybe I could find it via the Search feature, so I searched "Administrators" and there it was.
My heart sank as I realized The Admin himself had created it. It was right there in his gallery. I know it's a cliche: "his heart sank", but that's pretty much what it felt like. I realized he thought this was a funny, funny joke. But to me, it seemed like a really petty thing to do. As I told him much later, it had not been funny to me; it had been confusing and alarming. (My exact reaction was something like "What the FUCK is THIS!?")
I left this comment on the submission:
I'm really, really disappointed to find out this was from you.
This isn't going to help anything. I actually would have been fine with you simply sending me a PM saying my avatar was in violation and allowing me to change it myself. Instead I get this cutesy bullshit, which annoyed me about a thousand times more than changing the avatar would have. See, I kinda like being treated like an adult, and I think a lot of other people do too.
I know you think this is funny, and maybe it would be if it was just an idea and you hadn't put it into practice. But if makes someone like me far angrier at the admins than I would have been otherwise, then how do you think trolls are going to react to it?
The Admin himself did not reply, but three of the other people on the journal jumped in to give their thought provoking insights, like "CRY MOAR PLEASE". Real classy stuff.
A few moments later I tried to get back to my messages when I hit a dead end. I could practically hear a 'clang' of metal slamming shut. It was a grey page with a warning logo, saying my account was 'closed'.
Closed? What the hell did that mean? Was I banned? Permabanned? Was there just an extremely coincidental system glitch?
I went to my email account. No notice. Nothing from FA at all.
The grey page was there no matter where I went. I couldn't even check my userpage to find out my status!
So, seething like a bag of molten hate, I called up Alfador and asked him to take a look at my userpage. He did a WTF. Then Zephon took a look and he did a WTF. I was informed that, yes my status said 'banned' and yes, the '' avatar was back up.
Within moments, Zephon had written a journal about it and Alfador mirrored it. Word started spreading. I later found out that Omny87 and KTurtle made journals too.
Around then EtherRealty popped up on Skype. I talked to him for the next few hours while shit unfolded. suffice to say it was epic amounts of confusion. I eventually realized that I needed to log out in order to get rid of the grey page, which at least meant I could keep up with my friends' journals now.
Zephon and Ether both commented on The Admin's submission of the '' avatar itself. This is what he wrote back to one of them:
If you're referring to Alex, he was not banned without warning. He was warned first concerning the issue and then he uploaded another avatar saying "Fuck Fur Affinity Administrators" to try and get a rise out of us. He was banned for 24hrs because of this due to purposely breaking the AUP after being warned and violating the TOS by attempting to harass/disrupt FA Staff.
"He was warned first concerning the issue" This was untrue. My avatar was removed and changed with absolutely no warning. In fact, The Admin and I had talked less than a month ago, and there was ample time to mention any problem with my avatar then. Or, during the FOUR YEARS that it was up.
"and then he uploaded another avatar saying "Fuck Fur Affinity Administrators" to try and get a rise out of us." This is only true-ish. I sure as hell posted that avatar. But I didn't post it to 'get a rise'; I posted it because I felt it was an appropriate response. It was a direct reflection of what my avatar had been changed to.
"purposely breaking the AUP" There didn't seem to be anything in the AUP against swearing in avatars (though yes, I admit I thought I was pushing it). But I also thought, 'Surely I won't be banned for just criticizing the admins!' Ha! Ha! Ha! I am a naive fool.
It was nice to know that at least the ban was 24 hours, instead of 72 or a permanent one. But it would have been nicer to have known that at the beginning. The Admin later said: "I did contact him. I sent him an email which he used to register his account." He tried to show this by linking to a screencap of an email. I don't have any reason to believe he was lying about sending it, but at that point I had no idea where it could have gone. I was watching my email account all night long. Nada. (More on this later.)
Now, I have since reconciled with The Admin, but there is one thing he did that I don't think I can forgive. And that was that, when my friends responded to his submissions, he deleted their comments. These were not malicious comments. They weren't insulting. They were just asking what the hell was going on. The Admin removed them all, including mine, and when my friends kept replying, The Admin kept deleting. Everything else that happened that night I can chalk up to misunderstanding with no real malice behind it. But this was a case of an admin using power intended for site business in a clearly personal manner. He's since explained to me why, and he did only delete comments from his own submission; not from anyone else's. That does show admirable restraint. But it still smells like silencing dissent. I wouldn't be able to do the same if those comments were on my page. The rest of us don't get to make comments disappear, no matter how much we don't like them. He did remove the submission itself by the end of the night, which I think was a good idea in terms of calming things down.
It's kind of moot though, because I screencapped everything. EVERYTHING. The whole night long, at every stage. Got me a 30.6MB folder full of .png files. This is the internet; nothing ever disappears. I don't plan to actually DO anything with them. But I like to keep records. I like to know, for my own sake, 'This really happened'. It's amazing how much you can forget of an event like this in just a week or so.
Anyway, during this time, I was still chatting with Ether and we were having a blast writing angry emails (which we're both glad we didn't send), and I also made up my own little parody of the '' avatar that said "I [club] FA ADMINISTRATORS." Juvenile, yes, but it amused me. Ether liked it too and I let him put it up for a while.
Meanwhile, Zephon had brought in the big guns: Wolfblade. Wolfblade, for those of you that don't know, is an ex-admin, he is terrifyingly intelligent, and he uses his tongue purty'er than a twenny-dollar whore. He had a talk with The Admin and I thought it was easily the most levelheaded, eloquent thing anyone had said throughout the whole mess.
Soon enough, my avatar changed to the cup-o-paintbrushes and The Admin agreed not to change any more avatars.
Soon after that, I was informed that I had been unbanned about an hour ago.
HO-LEE SHIT.
I logged back in and there was my userpage, my comments, my reply buttons. Aw, I wanted to kiss 'em all.
For a very short while I put up my usual self-portrait avatar, but with "NOTHING CAN KILL THE ALEX" written on it. But Zephon said that was rubbing it in, and I agreed myself when I checked my PMs and saw that The Admin himself had sent me an apology.
He was gracious and respectful. I gained back a tremendous chunk of the respect I'd lost for him earlier. I apologized for flying off the handle.
In his most recent reply he re-sent the screenshot of the email he'd sent. I'd had a suspicion by now of why I'd never received it. I looked a little closer. Mystery solved. My address has an '_' in it: alex_reynard@nunyabizniz.com. Somehow, the email addy I have on file doesn't include the '_'. (How the hell did I apply for an account here then?) Honest mistake. But proof that miscommunication can happen because of the tiniest little shit.
SO, YES, PUNCTUATION IS IMPORTANT, ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK YOU'RE TOO COOL FOR PERIODS!!! ;)
To my friends, I want to thank you all. Everyone who spread the word, especially Zephon, Alfador, Ether, Omny, KTurtle and Wolfblade. As stressful as this experience was, all of those bad emotions were completely negated by the sheer galactic-level awesomeness of seeing such an amazing display of loyalty and solidarity and love from my friends. I'm honored to know all of you. I am boundlessly grateful.
One last thing. Zephon has since taken his journal down, but for a while there it was attracting a swarm of trolls. Most of them had changed their avatars to the 'I Admins' one, which was nice because it made it easier to spot the spineless kiss-asses. ;)
But I was really amazed at how most of them were bitching at Zephon for 'taking the internet too seriously' and 'bawwwwing' and basically saying, 'You're wrong for caring so much'.
I told him, it doesn't surprise me. If any of them got banned, their 'friends' would probably have a good laugh. These people probably know nothing of what it feels like to be in trouble and know your friends will do anything to help you. Certainly not feeling that surge of panicked loyalty themselves.
But I also wanted to say this directly to them: You're all wrong. The fact that you're reading this proves it. You are objectively wrong. The fact that my friends cared enough to make a lot of noise is directly responsible for an admin changing his mind about his decision, the two of reconciling, and a 24 hour ban turning into a 4 hour one. In his most recent message, The Admin denied that my friends' journals and comments made a difference. But I asked him, would you have reconsidered on your own? If my friends had all kept quiet, wouldn't the ban have just run out eventually, leaving this issue completely resolved, and the two of us still resentful of each other? Would we have found out about why that notification email went missing? Would I have forgiven him? Would we even be having this conversation at all?
My friends may have overreacted in some ways, but they only knew as much as i did at the start (which was dooley-squat). All they knew was: 'My friend is in trouble'. So up went the journals. Out went the word.
I was absolutely ready to accept the ban, wait it out and move on. But I didn't have to. Because of them. This journal is proof of what 'taking the internet too seriously' can accomplish.
I would defend my friends forever, because I've now had the rare opportunity to see proof that they'd do the same for me.
tl,dr: Shit just got real.
At about 11:30ish last night, 6/7/10, I received an AUP Violation notice. It came from an admin who I'd previously had good experiences with. I'm not going to say his name, so he'll be just 'The Admin'.
Anyway, the notice said that my avatar had been removed, for being 'seizure-inducing'. Which, yeah, is true enough. Still though, I was pissed off because of what had happened about a month ago.
~WHAT HAPPENED A MONTH AGO~
1. Some crazy stalker bastard keeps bothering me relentlessly on FA
2. The admins give him a talking to and tell him to back off.
3. All of a sudden, I get notified of a truckload of AUP violations. I now have about thirty missing submissions on my hands.
4. I get royally pissed, first at The Admin, but then my anger shifts abruptly as I realize that someone had to report all those violations. It seems a certain someone went through my gallery and reported every single submission they could find that technically violated the rules.
5. I find out that, due to the grandfathering policy, none of those submissions should have been removed in the first place.
6. The Admin says 'Whoops. I guess you can put them back up if you wanna.'
7. Faced with the task of replacing thirty or so submissions that will absolutely bury everything in my scraps gallery, I say 'Fuggit'.
(By the way, the user who got my submissions taken down [has been dealt with, and it's over now].)
So this is all brought back into my memory as I realize I now have to reupload my avatar.
Except when i go to check on my avatar, it has been replaced.
It's been replaced with one that says "I [heart] FA ADMINISTRATORS."
After a day that hasn't exactly been stress-free at this point, I find out my avatar has been removed and replaced with the absolute last thing on earth I wanna see at that point.
Alfador later made the perfect analogy: "It's like the cops breaking into a store and putting up 'SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT' posters in the windows."
Anyway, I quickly changed my avatar to say "FUCK FURAFFINITY ADMINISTRATORS". Which reflected how I felt and didn't seem to be against the AUP.
I sent a reply back to The Admin saying:
1. I knew nothing of this new rule.
2. I've had the same avatar almost-continuously for FOUR YEARS with nothing but compliments.
3. What the fuck was up with this cutesy-bullshit new avatar!?
I was too angry when I wrote this reply, I admit. I should have been calmer, and my anger didn't help a damn thing. But I did at least try to convey that I didn't expect the 'fuck' avatar to be up very long and that when The Admin took it down, could they please just put up the usual cup o-paintbrushes or a gray square or nothing at all? I told him if it went back to the 'I Admins' avatar, I would raise a humongous stink about it. I should have been clearer.
But it wasn't like I could expect what happened next.
I went about my business and started telling a friend about the whole incident in a PM. It was then that I realized I hadn't saved a copy of the bizarre '' avatar, and maybe I should have, to prove it had actually happened. I thought maybe I could find it via the Search feature, so I searched "Administrators" and there it was.
My heart sank as I realized The Admin himself had created it. It was right there in his gallery. I know it's a cliche: "his heart sank", but that's pretty much what it felt like. I realized he thought this was a funny, funny joke. But to me, it seemed like a really petty thing to do. As I told him much later, it had not been funny to me; it had been confusing and alarming. (My exact reaction was something like "What the FUCK is THIS!?")
I left this comment on the submission:
I'm really, really disappointed to find out this was from you.
This isn't going to help anything. I actually would have been fine with you simply sending me a PM saying my avatar was in violation and allowing me to change it myself. Instead I get this cutesy bullshit, which annoyed me about a thousand times more than changing the avatar would have. See, I kinda like being treated like an adult, and I think a lot of other people do too.
I know you think this is funny, and maybe it would be if it was just an idea and you hadn't put it into practice. But if makes someone like me far angrier at the admins than I would have been otherwise, then how do you think trolls are going to react to it?
The Admin himself did not reply, but three of the other people on the journal jumped in to give their thought provoking insights, like "CRY MOAR PLEASE". Real classy stuff.
A few moments later I tried to get back to my messages when I hit a dead end. I could practically hear a 'clang' of metal slamming shut. It was a grey page with a warning logo, saying my account was 'closed'.
Closed? What the hell did that mean? Was I banned? Permabanned? Was there just an extremely coincidental system glitch?
I went to my email account. No notice. Nothing from FA at all.
The grey page was there no matter where I went. I couldn't even check my userpage to find out my status!
So, seething like a bag of molten hate, I called up Alfador and asked him to take a look at my userpage. He did a WTF. Then Zephon took a look and he did a WTF. I was informed that, yes my status said 'banned' and yes, the '' avatar was back up.
Within moments, Zephon had written a journal about it and Alfador mirrored it. Word started spreading. I later found out that Omny87 and KTurtle made journals too.
Around then EtherRealty popped up on Skype. I talked to him for the next few hours while shit unfolded. suffice to say it was epic amounts of confusion. I eventually realized that I needed to log out in order to get rid of the grey page, which at least meant I could keep up with my friends' journals now.
Zephon and Ether both commented on The Admin's submission of the '' avatar itself. This is what he wrote back to one of them:
If you're referring to Alex, he was not banned without warning. He was warned first concerning the issue and then he uploaded another avatar saying "Fuck Fur Affinity Administrators" to try and get a rise out of us. He was banned for 24hrs because of this due to purposely breaking the AUP after being warned and violating the TOS by attempting to harass/disrupt FA Staff.
"He was warned first concerning the issue" This was untrue. My avatar was removed and changed with absolutely no warning. In fact, The Admin and I had talked less than a month ago, and there was ample time to mention any problem with my avatar then. Or, during the FOUR YEARS that it was up.
"and then he uploaded another avatar saying "Fuck Fur Affinity Administrators" to try and get a rise out of us." This is only true-ish. I sure as hell posted that avatar. But I didn't post it to 'get a rise'; I posted it because I felt it was an appropriate response. It was a direct reflection of what my avatar had been changed to.
"purposely breaking the AUP" There didn't seem to be anything in the AUP against swearing in avatars (though yes, I admit I thought I was pushing it). But I also thought, 'Surely I won't be banned for just criticizing the admins!' Ha! Ha! Ha! I am a naive fool.
It was nice to know that at least the ban was 24 hours, instead of 72 or a permanent one. But it would have been nicer to have known that at the beginning. The Admin later said: "I did contact him. I sent him an email which he used to register his account." He tried to show this by linking to a screencap of an email. I don't have any reason to believe he was lying about sending it, but at that point I had no idea where it could have gone. I was watching my email account all night long. Nada. (More on this later.)
Now, I have since reconciled with The Admin, but there is one thing he did that I don't think I can forgive. And that was that, when my friends responded to his submissions, he deleted their comments. These were not malicious comments. They weren't insulting. They were just asking what the hell was going on. The Admin removed them all, including mine, and when my friends kept replying, The Admin kept deleting. Everything else that happened that night I can chalk up to misunderstanding with no real malice behind it. But this was a case of an admin using power intended for site business in a clearly personal manner. He's since explained to me why, and he did only delete comments from his own submission; not from anyone else's. That does show admirable restraint. But it still smells like silencing dissent. I wouldn't be able to do the same if those comments were on my page. The rest of us don't get to make comments disappear, no matter how much we don't like them. He did remove the submission itself by the end of the night, which I think was a good idea in terms of calming things down.
It's kind of moot though, because I screencapped everything. EVERYTHING. The whole night long, at every stage. Got me a 30.6MB folder full of .png files. This is the internet; nothing ever disappears. I don't plan to actually DO anything with them. But I like to keep records. I like to know, for my own sake, 'This really happened'. It's amazing how much you can forget of an event like this in just a week or so.
Anyway, during this time, I was still chatting with Ether and we were having a blast writing angry emails (which we're both glad we didn't send), and I also made up my own little parody of the '' avatar that said "I [club] FA ADMINISTRATORS." Juvenile, yes, but it amused me. Ether liked it too and I let him put it up for a while.
Meanwhile, Zephon had brought in the big guns: Wolfblade. Wolfblade, for those of you that don't know, is an ex-admin, he is terrifyingly intelligent, and he uses his tongue purty'er than a twenny-dollar whore. He had a talk with The Admin and I thought it was easily the most levelheaded, eloquent thing anyone had said throughout the whole mess.
Soon enough, my avatar changed to the cup-o-paintbrushes and The Admin agreed not to change any more avatars.
Soon after that, I was informed that I had been unbanned about an hour ago.
HO-LEE SHIT.
I logged back in and there was my userpage, my comments, my reply buttons. Aw, I wanted to kiss 'em all.
For a very short while I put up my usual self-portrait avatar, but with "NOTHING CAN KILL THE ALEX" written on it. But Zephon said that was rubbing it in, and I agreed myself when I checked my PMs and saw that The Admin himself had sent me an apology.
He was gracious and respectful. I gained back a tremendous chunk of the respect I'd lost for him earlier. I apologized for flying off the handle.
In his most recent reply he re-sent the screenshot of the email he'd sent. I'd had a suspicion by now of why I'd never received it. I looked a little closer. Mystery solved. My address has an '_' in it: alex_reynard@nunyabizniz.com. Somehow, the email addy I have on file doesn't include the '_'. (How the hell did I apply for an account here then?) Honest mistake. But proof that miscommunication can happen because of the tiniest little shit.
SO, YES, PUNCTUATION IS IMPORTANT, ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK YOU'RE TOO COOL FOR PERIODS!!! ;)
To my friends, I want to thank you all. Everyone who spread the word, especially Zephon, Alfador, Ether, Omny, KTurtle and Wolfblade. As stressful as this experience was, all of those bad emotions were completely negated by the sheer galactic-level awesomeness of seeing such an amazing display of loyalty and solidarity and love from my friends. I'm honored to know all of you. I am boundlessly grateful.
One last thing. Zephon has since taken his journal down, but for a while there it was attracting a swarm of trolls. Most of them had changed their avatars to the 'I Admins' one, which was nice because it made it easier to spot the spineless kiss-asses. ;)
But I was really amazed at how most of them were bitching at Zephon for 'taking the internet too seriously' and 'bawwwwing' and basically saying, 'You're wrong for caring so much'.
I told him, it doesn't surprise me. If any of them got banned, their 'friends' would probably have a good laugh. These people probably know nothing of what it feels like to be in trouble and know your friends will do anything to help you. Certainly not feeling that surge of panicked loyalty themselves.
But I also wanted to say this directly to them: You're all wrong. The fact that you're reading this proves it. You are objectively wrong. The fact that my friends cared enough to make a lot of noise is directly responsible for an admin changing his mind about his decision, the two of reconciling, and a 24 hour ban turning into a 4 hour one. In his most recent message, The Admin denied that my friends' journals and comments made a difference. But I asked him, would you have reconsidered on your own? If my friends had all kept quiet, wouldn't the ban have just run out eventually, leaving this issue completely resolved, and the two of us still resentful of each other? Would we have found out about why that notification email went missing? Would I have forgiven him? Would we even be having this conversation at all?
My friends may have overreacted in some ways, but they only knew as much as i did at the start (which was dooley-squat). All they knew was: 'My friend is in trouble'. So up went the journals. Out went the word.
I was absolutely ready to accept the ban, wait it out and move on. But I didn't have to. Because of them. This journal is proof of what 'taking the internet too seriously' can accomplish.
I would defend my friends forever, because I've now had the rare opportunity to see proof that they'd do the same for me.
tl,dr: Shit just got real.
It really is hypocritical especially when you have two people in disagreement and they use the AUP to try and exact revenge and the admins take the other side over yours.
But I think it pretty much follows real life. In any sort of incident or conflict the first target by authorities is the easiest one to pick off, even if their innocent. Its a cheap way of keeping things under wraps even if its the wrong decision or a poor one and its sadly something we all have to live with.
Not just in porn/art consumption and social networking.
Incredibly frustrating. I've had it happen multiple times. I report something, and one of submissions goes down.
>But I think it pretty much follows real life. In any sort of incident or conflict the first target by authorities is the easiest one to pick off, even if their innocent. Its a cheap way of keeping things under wraps even if its the wrong decision or a poor one and its sadly something we all have to live with.
Absolutely. I see it rather often on the news; some high-profile crime happens and the cops just wanna get someone behind bars quickly.
Something goes wrong and they pick the most random and weakest person to take the fall and put the blame on. Then they wind up being held responsible for the entire incident yet they were just walking in the hall and happened to see something they shouldn't have and are forced to live on the streets for the rest of their lives..
Or look at Abu Garib and who took the fall from that. Was it the higher ups who pretty much ordered the grunts to do that stuff (under the threat of military prison or execution)? no it was the few guards who were faced with getting fucked either way. So naturally they follow orders hoping that culture would protect them yet their now sitting in jail for 20 years and their good friends with bubba.
<nods> They were rather fond of that at my 2nd high school. "Blame someone! Anyone! Just god forbid, don't let us have to think about doing our jobs an iota more than we have to!!"
>Or look at Abu Garib and who took the fall from that. Was it the higher ups who pretty much ordered the grunts to do that stuff (under the threat of military prison or execution)? no it was the few guards who were faced with getting fucked either way. So naturally they follow orders hoping that culture would protect them yet their now sitting in jail for 20 years and their good friends with bubba.
The guards responsible absolutely deserve their sentences and should go through everything they put the Iraqui prisoners through. But they absolutely should be sharing the same cells and punishments as the higher-ups too.
I am given an order that would make me a war criminal and I would get severely punished if I followed orders (even executed)
Yet if i refuse an order (and don't belove anything else you here because its a myth) I'm either derelict in my duty or being insubordinate - Both issues could get me court Marshalled which could lead to an even worse sentence (plus the societal exile being kicked out of the military gives you) and or I could be shot by firing squad (since that is within US military law) for not following orders in war.
And I know as a "grunt" with no power the whole Idea of Conscientious objector is a myth put forth just to get bodies into the army (and its worthless and doesn't exist where it needs to be)
I guess though one has to decide how they wish to die in this situation and how they'd like to be remembered. Either way your kinda fucked in those types of situations.
Then again, I highly doubt the military'd ever take me in the first place...
Not really, I am glad that things have calmed and that you are now unbanned.
Please for the sake of that is all holy, reupload the submissions that the un-named admin wrongfully deleted as they were grandfathered before the deletion.
Thanks! And yeah, that's the better attitude. Drama on the internets can be exciting, but it's usually so damn draining I usually envy the people who sleep through it.
>Please for the sake of that is all holy, reupload the submissions that the un-named admin wrongfully deleted as they were grandfathered before the deletion.
It was pretty much just photos of transformers, plushies and little things on my computer. Nothing I made myself, I don't think. And nothing really recent. I may do a poll and ask if anyone really wants it back.
There is only certain drama that I really hate to miss, the drama that can be found on Artists beware
I wondered what was up with that stupid avatar. I thought you'd just put it up to be sarcastic or something.
Either way, I'm glad you're back. You obviously have made an impact on some people's lives; enough that they'll help you out. Shame you have this on your "record" or whatever now, but I guess when you speak in inflammatory terms, this kinda shit happens. That's the price you pay for your message.
Then I found out, no, they did the opposite of something wonderful, and it hit me like a ton o' bricks.
But I'm glad you(Alex)'re back too!
I know! I've been kinda stunned by the response this got. So many people put up journals and started kicking up a fuss *immediately*! It really feels awesome to know I have so many good friends. :)
>Shame you have this on your "record" or whatever now, but I guess when you speak in inflammatory terms, this kinda shit happens. That's the price you pay for your message.
And it's a price I willingly pay. Speaking up gets you heard, but it also makes you a visible target. I don't mind. I don't start trouble unless I know beforehand I can take the worst consequences if they happen.
Good. MLK would be...probably frightened of the website and what you're fighting for to some extent, but at least he'd be proud of your methods and willing acceptance of possible negative consequences. :D
Lord, I can barely imagine MLK looking at furry porn... Would he be repulsed? Would he like it? This makes my brains hurt.
He was one of those rare people whose words are as true today as they were up to his murder 40 years ago, and defy being listenable only to to the faithful- He spoke to EVERYONE.
d.m.f.
I mean, homosexuality was weird back in his day, yes, but I find it hard to compare with the "weirdness" factor of furry sexuality and the stuff we put on this site.
We'll never know, of course, but I guess I'd be more skeptical about acceptance, even from such a tolerating guy.
d.m.f.
They didn't deserve to be locked up for something like that, no, and he did try to push for their rights, but I bet he didn't really condone it either.
d.m.f.
Smile, darn ya, smile
You know this great world is a good world after all
Smile, darn ya, smile
And right away watch lady luck pay you a call
heh, it's cool to know you'd do the same for me man, but nah, I just did it 'cause hell it's what friends do, you know? I got your back, whatever the case may be. Though of course, I'm gonna approach it a more level headed manner next time. almost got my ass kicked off here for no reason. that would've been silly. ;>.>
That's a rarer sentiment than you know. I'm proud to have someone like you for a friend, Robby.
Anyway, that's a hell of a saga! I'm really sorry with what you went through, man! G;ad to hear it has a happy ending though! *hugs* I am also glad you have KT on your side though! He's way awesome! :)
>Anyway, that's a hell of a saga! I'm really sorry with what you went through, man! G;ad to hear it has a happy ending though! *hugs* I am also glad you have KT on your side though! He's way awesome! :)
Thank you! And yes, KT is VERY awesome. I really liked his latest journal about it.
I've blocked him before he could EVER get anything out on my page abut how he's superior to Alex, me, my mate and damn near everyone else for whatever twisted reason he could come up with.
If you're friends with redregon, you might want to look into how he acts when he thinks no one is looking. He's not to be trusted and definitely a very sick person inside.
I apologize for butting into this conversation and I'll leave you now.
(Also, I remember you from last year's AC. Me, Alex, and my mate as well as a few others were walking by a cafe you were sitting in the window of and you brought out your Donnie doll. I thought it was the cutest thing I'd seen all day. Just to let you know. :3)
I'm just really really disappointed in Redregon. He's mates with Kindar and usually comes to some of the Torfur meets like the Golden Griddle breakfasts Kindar holds, and Potoroo's parties.
I'll admit I don't know Redregon that well, but he's always been really nice to me, and we've drawn for each other before.
I'm just really sad to hear he's got such a dark side to him. :( I mean, no one's ever going to get along with EVERYONE, but I mean when it gets to the point of harassment and threats over e-drama...that's taking things WAY too far.
OOH! As for AC, I WILL be there, and I WILL have my beloved Donnie doll with me! :D
A person like that can turn on you as soon as you do not agree with them. Such is the way with people such as Redregon; the second you don't fall in their little circle of "My Way", they at best cast you off and at worst (and as is the case), champion a fruitless vendetta against you.
In any case, enough of that moron. Sadly enough, my mate and I won't be attending AC...and I'm fairly certain Alex won't be either (have to verify that with him). Not enough money this year, but we've made plans for Rainfurrest so if you find yourself attending that, we'll be sure to see you there.
Redregon is opinionated.
Alex is opinionated.
They both poke at one another quite a bit because they're on opposite ends of an issue .o
I'll be checking out that Inkbunny place for a while. Thanks for showing it to me!
"Hmmm. Alex hasn't replied within thirty seconds. Something catastrophic must have happened!!"
IS THE MURDERER!
I've looked and didn't find an email. It's easiest to send it as a PM.
You're one of my best buds too. I'd hoped you'd get word of it somehow. I told Ether he should contact you, but it was so chaotic last night I wouldn't blame him at all if he forgot.
Alex icon wouldn't do crap under any circumstance.
This just adds to a long list of many reasons why i avoid the admins as much as i have to.
Also, your avatar looks like he's been drinking red Kool-Aid. ;)
And thank you very much. :)
...So what was the avatar that violated the AUP? Because, uh, your avatar seems to be exactly the same as the one you've had since as long as I can remember. Seizure-inducing penis and all.
Nooo! ;.;
Naw. Start-to-finish it only lasted about four hours. And it was near midnight too.
Also, I may upload the old 'penis' avatar in scraps. Like putting it in a museum.
I was linked here by a friend, and I'm on your side, there needs to be way more communication between mods and users.
In the end, mods are people too, and are not infalible machines.
Well, that's special. This is stranger than that time the admins decided to remove all fractal art on the site.
I wonder--have you receieved any notes from me, in that case? I sent ya a story, and a short note about how I was wondering if you'd had a chance to see it. Again, sorry if I am being pushy, but I kind of did not save the story, and your replying will help me get it back. O.O *crosses fingers* O.O Please tell me you got a copy of the note.
I did get it and just haven't had time to read it, but you can get it back yourself! No Reynard necessary! ;) All you gotta do is go to where your PMs are and click 'Outbox'. That'll show you all the PMs you've sent, and the story should be there.
Did you ever have a title for it?
>On a related note--Admins are great, but sometimes, their "job" takes them strange directions. What is the weirdest thing they've done?
I dunno. Going along with that dumbass 'Krystal can't enjoy her sandwich' meme comes to mind. That was an utter fiasco of plagiarism by users and unnecessary bannage by admins, followed by a sea of people changing their avatars and not knowing what it meant.
Well, no title right now--I'm not good with titles, usually, and besides, once you name it, you must keep it!
If you need a calm, measured tongue and wolf-blade isn't available, give me a buzz. I think we could make a nice foil, you and I.
Thank you very much for the offer! I definitely think of you as one of the best devil's advocates an opinionated little fox like me could hope for. ;)
The "I <3 FA Admins" avatar is what really got me mad. Before that, I was sure it was just a mistake.
The people who look down the end of their noses at me for this can go take a long walk off a short bridge. They have no basis for comparison anyhow.
Maybe one day, society will *get* what it means to care about someone.
I don't think the problem is really society. The problem is that FA is flooded with trollish little high-schoolers that the admins won't do anything about.
>Like I said, I do what I can within the limits of my power to help those I love.
What you did worked though, so feel proud of yourself, my self-depreciating wolfie. <skritches behind your ears>
I'm glad things finally worked out for you, even if you had to drown in a sea of drama first. Welcome back to FA :3
I was actually surprised too by how long this ended up being, but I wanted to provide as much of the facts as possible.
>I'm glad things finally worked out for you, even if you had to drown in a sea of drama first.
Nah, this wasn't a sea. I've been through seas. This was a flash flood at worst.
Personally, I couldn't stomach him for two posts...
My favourite website to exercise such skills would be deviantArt.
Also, I'm a resilient fuck :D
Fix'd.
Man, I must've been on crack or something to shit out that.
Although I'm growing increasingly frustrated with how this site is run. I may leave someday, but it'll be to a better site. I'll still have an online presence; you can count on that.
d.m.f.
And thank you!
I hope that for all that has happened, the experience has not tainted the way you view the many folks that dwell here. And to hear you had a truly good outcome, with friends stepping up to defend and do what was right, not what was easy. Just well, saying, it is nice to see humanity showing it is not the cesspool that is often seen from an outsider looking in. That you hear, that you often see and prove wrong, and mend what could be bad blood a surprise. Just a simple, though round about manner, of speaking. A happy end, and best wishes from a random passerby, to hopefully brighten a day.
Oh, not at all. I try my best to judge people only as individuals. There are a lot of really excellent people on FA. The problem is, the site is without leadership. All the admins are basically acting on their own. There's no structure. And trolls leak in by the dozens and the admins won't anything about it. FA is a house that's slowly falling down, but it's not the fault of the people inside it.
>And to hear you had a truly good outcome, with friends stepping up to defend and do what was right, not what was easy. Just well, saying, it is nice to see humanity showing it is not the cesspool that is often seen from an outsider looking in.
Well said!
>A happy end, and best wishes from a random passerby, to hopefully brighten a day.
Thank you very much. That really does mean a lot to me. :)
I think this would strain the administrative resources a bit though, but I think it'd effectively stop shit like that ^^.
I know that it's just a website. I personally would have shrugged off the ordeal, waited off the ban, and ignored that it ever happened. Maybe write a tiny blurb about being banned for a short while, but nothing detailed.
If I was perma-banned, though, I'd have simply up and never return. If a website doesn't want me around, I don't want to be there meself. Why strive to stay where I am not wanted anyway?
Still, I do envy that you have friends willing to raise a rabble over such a slight. I don't have many friends meself, and just one of them might have done the same... maybe. ;_;
That pisses me off to no end. People who don't know how to care about anything in their lives, and they wanna get pissed at people for not acting the same. I'd like to Care Bear Stare their little punk asses. ;)
>If I was perma-banned, though, I'd have simply up and never return. If a website doesn't want me around, I don't want to be there meself. Why strive to stay where I am not wanted anyway?
This incident is making me strongly consider moving my activities to a new site though. But if I do, I'll still keep an eye on this place, and I'll let everyone know where I've moved.
Well, that's just the thing. To them, FA isn't as important as other things, like finances, or conventions, or kicking back a beer with their friends. To them, FA is just another communication medium which is prone to induce drama. Therefore, it's simply just not as important.
As well, when they "quit yer bitchin" I know they'd do it with a smile and sincerely not have any malice in what they say. They do care about me and other friends, but FA becomes meaningless to them when they can just call me up on the phone.
I wasn't trying to paint me friends in a bad light, just to show how their attitude simply differs based on preferences and personality. They may not go out of their way to defend me over something on FA, but if I was in a bind with the law, relationship or financial issues they will (and have before) band together to help get me out of it.
Very sorry for the confusion. I guess I just didn't articulate myself clearly.
This incident is making me strongly consider moving my activities to a new site though. But if I do, I'll still keep an eye on this place, and I'll let everyone know where I've moved.
It's unfortunate that there aren't many other sites out there. If I see any that looks promising, I'll be sure to swing you a link. (though I doubt I'd find anything soon... life has been kicking me in the tail for a while now ;_; )
I really like Quentin Tarantino movies. If someone else doesn't, is it fair of me to tell them that they need to like them more because I do?
I don't think the situation matters. If someone says, 'You care about this a different amount than I do and that's wrong so you need to change', that's fucking rude.
>It's unfortunate that there aren't many other sites out there.
Funny you should say that. There's a site called Inkbunny that's in its beta stages and looks like the anti-FA savior of furrykind. It's been tempting me for a few weeks now.
I guess it is. However, in specific circumstances it can be a good reality check. Lets say you really like to use SL to the point where you start to eschew reality. Sometimes it takes a rude friend to help you get your priorities straight, to realize that messing around on SL is fun and all, but only if it doesn't interfere with work, relationships and hygiene. I think this is a topic most people can connect on, as I am pretty sure most people in the fur community know at least one person who has or is currently doing such with SL, WoW or other means.
>There's a site called Inkbunny that's in its beta stages and looks like the anti-FA savior of furrykind.
o reary? I can haz linkz plzkthnx? :D I tried to google it, but it keeps coming up with other random sites and profiles for other forums. Plus there is a webcomic with that name.
Okay, that I can agree with. That's more like an intervention. It's one thing to say someone's obsessed, something else entirely to be all like, "You like that band? Well I like this band and you suck for liking that other one." ;)
Besides, in this case what people were really telling him was, 'You shouldn't care about your friends that much'. Which really says a lot about them.
>o reary? I can haz linkz plzkthnx? :D I tried to google it, but it keeps coming up with other random sites and profiles for other forums. Plus there is a webcomic with that name.
It's kinda hush-hush at the moment since it's still in beta-testing, but you're a nice guy so I can tell you more in a PM.
lol, wha? Me? Damn, doing something wrong here.
And I can see where you are coming from. I don't know if I have any friends who hold their FA close to their heart, but if one does and they are in need of help I will lend a hand.
That's all it takes. :)
It's really good to have you back Alex, even though it was only a four hour long ban that I wasn't online to witness firsthand. *huggles*
When trolls pop up their pointy little heads, it just makes it easier to pinch 'em right off. Both our block lists have swelled nicely.
>It's really good to have you back Alex, even though it was only a four hour long ban that I wasn't online to witness firsthand. *huggles*
Thank you. I was never really worried though. ;)
O.O Wow.... The things i miss when i let my journals pile up. I was wondering why so many gaps appeared in my favorites gallery. I'm definitely glad you're back, and things are more or less resolved. A definite round of hugs to the crew.
Really, all that came down were photos of stuff. None of my art or writing.
>I'm definitely glad you're back, and things are more or less resolved. A definite round of hugs to the crew.
Thanks very much, amigo. :)
I had a few saved in my favs for references. Not to worry I had them saved in my modelsheet collection too. But it does answer why a few gaps are there.
I'd throw myself in the sights of trolls again to distract them if I had to, but don't do anything that makes me lose a whole night a sleep again if you can help it.
Actually, Zephon said you'd helped him out with the trolls on his journal. I wanted to thank you for that. :)
>I did get a chuckle out of your response to that avatar though, you alone have successfully stopped the spread of something that does not belong as a part of site enforcements.
Wow. I really hadn't thought about it much. I don't like to brag, but you're absolutely right. If i hadn't put up my 'Fuck FA Admins' avatar and started this whole ball rolling, the 'I admins' avatar-changing would have become standard practice. I stopped that. I'm kinda stunned, really. I honestly hadn't thought much about it. I just believed (and still do) that the 'fuck' avatar was a completely appropriate response. It really didn't occur to me that a lot of other people wouldn't have had the balls to do that.
I did apologize to Chase for having been rude and overly angry to him in my reply. But I won't apologize for the 'fuck' avatar. I believe that sometimes it's very important to refuse to apologize for something. To say you're sorry when you know you have no reason to be sorry is a lie, and I think dishonesty is a worse fault than causing offense.
>I'd throw myself in the sights of trolls again to distract them if I had to, but don't do anything that makes me lose a whole night a sleep again if you can help it.
I really try not to, but trouble has a way of finding me. ;)
There's a big difference between you and Redregon, despite Kupok pointing out that both of you are opinionated and very adamant about your beliefs, morals and philosophies. You prefer to be fair, to hear the other side of the argument, are willing to change your view if new evidence contradicts old, to respect people and their differences so long as they are not hateful or hurtful and you won't commit acts even more cruel than their own just to win, you would sooner choose to allow them to keep swirling around in their rotatable chair than to keep up a bitch fest if it had no merit, either in the goal or in the people involved. Redregon may hear the other side, but he will not listen, he doesn't respect differences, he isn't willing to change, he is hateful and hurtful and is willing to commit cruel acts if he feels it is for the "greater good", sort of like stamping on your personal freedoms and privileges just because he doesn't agree with you. And unlike redregon, you're an overall good person in your personality, your actions and your desires. Even if I don't agree with you on everything, I can always trust you to do those things that I may not agree with in a fair manner. I cannot trust Redregon with that same responsibility, or apparently even the FA administration, as this journal points out.
I propose we do another "Emperor Reynard" post, except instead of real world law, we do a FurAffinity/Furry Social Sites Constitution that acts as the supreme rules that cannot be broken or changed by admins, but must be voted on by users in polls, so long as those rules don't break any real world laws. Just like "Emperor Reynard", it serves as more of a personal statement of beliefs on how things should be ran rather than a serious intention.
Alex would you stop being such a hypocrite! You don't appreciate personal attacks, so why do it to others? :I
"Alex would you stop being such a hypocrite! You don't appreciate personal attacks, so why do it to others? :I"
I'm not trying to start anything with you, but you asked me directly, so I'll take you at your word that you want an answer.
This 'personal attack' of mine has come after well over a month of redregon persistently annoying me in every way that he could. He used loopholes in FA's blocking system to keep on irritating to me after I'd asked him every way that I could to stop. His actions would have gotten him permabanned from any site that had decent administration. There is nothing hypocritical about what I've done. I am not asking my friends to do to him what he's done to me. I am WARNING them about him so they won't have to deal with him.
This is not a personal attack against him. If it was, you would know.
Simple as, you kept rising to it, so he kept on doing it. It isn't your place to 'warn' anyone about him, as he isn't a threat to anyone's safety. Encouraging your friends, aka your followers, to accept your opinion about someone in order to black list this person, is simply immature and I do count it as a personal attack.
>It isn't your place to 'warn' anyone about him
>Encouraging your friends, aka your followers, to accept your opinion about someone in order to black list this person, is simply immature and I do count it as a personal attack.
You display such arrogance, condescension and, yes, immaturity in those three sentences that I'm just stunned.
You know damn well that if someone were treating you the way I described, you'd be complaining up a storm and telling everyone about it who'd listen. Yet you say it's 'not my place' to do the same.
So it's okay when you or your friends act one way, but it's wrong for me to do the same. And you probably don't see anything wrong with that. Because for people like you, the rules are different for anyone you don't like. Simple as that. I've seen it dozens and dozens of times, from people who sound just like you. You call me a hypocrite, and that makes me pity you.
I apologize for replying to you as if you were an adult.
Really? Well that's funny because I was only pointing out what you have done in this journal! So erm, I guess you are in agreement with me then?
> You know damn well that if someone were treating you the way I described, you'd be complaining up a storm and telling everyone about it who'd listen.
Erm, you don't know me, how can you say what my actions would be? I'll fill you in though, if it was me in your position, I would add the person to my block list, and say no more about it. Safe in the knowledge that overtime, they would get fed up as I wasn't reacting to anything they said or did... I have more important things to tell 'everyone'.
I don't take kindly to the fact you are now insulting me, please refrain as I was merely pointing out that you are out of line for personally attacking someone in this journal.
Either way, you're undeserving of my respect.
I don't care if you grow up, I just want you to go away.
Am I telling people to attack him? Or am I telling them to block him so he can't attack THEM?
Thank you for proving that you didn't read a damn word I said.