Wow you just found out man -_-

No, I noticed that

Gideons art is being altered:
http://pawsru.org/m/res/17522.html#i17522

http://pawsru.org/m/res/30213.html

No, I noticed that a long time ago, but some people were surprised to see their work reposted lateley.
(Fucking "Enter" key)

When I saw my art being posted into e621 and fchan, I got flattered.

:D

Same lol xD

Hehe, I'm still pretty anonymous for most ;3
I peeked into your gallery, you seem to draw pretty well. I'm not surprised that you got your art being posted into sites like so ^^

Hah its only happened recently, within the last month or so x3

Oh haha :D

Not surprising, considering how fun it is, and how under-drawn a lot of stuff is >.>

Thank you!

The internet thanks you. :)

The internet thanks you when you thank the internet ^^

Alot of sites do it and its anoying at times but if it means the artist gets more recognition then alls good i think. Yes its not nice but its what happens.

lol it almost seems like someone read my journal. XD

I don't care that my stuff is reposted elsewhere, but at least have the courtesy to tell me where you post it. lol.

Ha ha, yes.

They get the money from donations from people watching your art in other sites where you didnt post it. So somehow they make money with your work, mine, or from others. It is maybe a way of promoting your work, but nobody asked you before. It just pisses me off never FChan or e621 answer my emails. People is really unpolite and have no respect

They can get donations if they want, this is not my problem :P
As long as you don't need to pay to visit the site, there's no problems for me.

I remember that someone created a paysite (some month ago) with some FA artist's work.
Fortunately, it's closed now.

Well, with your works its harder to say "yeah, I did it" when EVERYBODy knows it was a h0rs3's video. With my art its easier: Im not famous, and I have a simple style. Everybody can steal it and say "yeah I did it". It happend already, in Yiffstar and FA too, where I founfd pics from me colored without my permission. FChan never put me in their DNP list. e621 simply ignores me, just once they removed a pic because I wrote a journal 2 years ago.

I remember that. I reported it to Max Black Rabbit and Doug Winger.

Don't sweat it man. FChan and e621 are whats known as "Nazi Sites" Not too many true furries go there mostly its /b/tards who frequent those sites.

I go there from time to time to see what they posted from me. Mostly are commissions, which pisses me off even more; why? becaue people paid to me for those pics for THEM. and someone else grabbed those pics from my FA gallery and put them there wthout mine, or more important, commissioner's permission. Fchan I dont visit it for years, it bores me to check it, the system is so bad and its hard to find a pic because the many threads.

thankyou for sharing my views on the matter <3 it took me 2 months and 70 reports on EACH image to get my at taken off e621 .-.

After all this time they just removed ONE pic from my art in e621. I sent them various emails. Also told them I would write and send a DMCA complaint letter. And nothing yet. Even, a friend of mine just registered in to ask them to remove my pics, and all he got was to get banned after few hours of registering.

yep, everyone who reported my art on there also got banned afterwards :/

well just as sniffhienkel said, those sites are just nazi sites.

I really don't think they care about anything, as long as they get as many copywritten / reposted works, and they get more hits, I really don't think they could care less what the true artists and commisioners whine about.

well, I managed to get them to remove my stuff, so I'm pleased about that :) some select pieces of my art have embedded copyrights, reposting them gives me more than enough evidence to file a complaint and get it removed :)

yes, it's unfortunate that a lot of people have to resort to doing that kind of stuff.

Just imagine if the internet users had respect for other peoples propertly, the world would end!

Me and  skunkworks got banned from e621 that place blows.

The thing is why you or Jim were there :p

Jim was there because people were posting his art and spreading rumors about him and his GF. He got banned for defending himself. I really dunno why I ever went there to be honest...I got banned for complaining about all the cub porn.

But you should know by doing this you will always lose. It's you against the world. There are too many cub art defenders. And as for long the admins like it...then you have nothing to do against. But then suddenly they bann the zoos LOL.

Yep I got banned by an admin named Mellis. Hes into cub porn.

There you have the answer.

I think the whole reason I went there was because it kinda reminded me of http://us.vclart.net/vcl/ but I soon found out it was just a place to pirate. I prefer http://www.furpiled.com the admin there are very reasonable and if they get requests to remove art they do it.

This reminds me someday will have to check it then lol. I used to visit VCL when I wasnt into the furry thing yet years ago.

Yeah VCL was the first furry site I ever went too. I don't even remember how I heard about FA LOL. I use to go to Fchan, but I left that shithole in the dust.

Well I went to Fchan a pair times after VCL many years ago, but it tired me. Then I joined Furnation dont know how and then moved to FA, wise choice. Here I stay, thats for sure. I just stay away from all the drama and trolling, I better dont talk about politics or religion and I just dont mention a word about strange fetiches or phillias, arent my business and I dont want problems, AKA more drama-llama. I post my art, I talk to my fans and make friends, thats all.

Yeah Furnation kinda went downhill, didn't it? I like it here anyways. As for Fchan, I think I found it on a google search. I hung out there for 4 months then left. I was there mainly because  skunkworks use to go there and talk to his fans. Thats how I met Jim.

Interesting person Jim must be. He and other furry artists introduced me to this world, encouraging me to draw. Most probable the first artist I saw was dark natasha or chris sawyer. he is still one of my fave artists, because the anatomy from his bodies.

Yeah his anatomy is one of my favorite aspects of his art too. I like Dark Natasha and Chris Sawyer as well, but theres something about Jim's art that just blows me away.

Must be the humor hehe

Well yeah I like the humor, but I was referring to hos artistic style. The way he draws fur, paws, claws and eyes. And the anatomy is so detailed.

*His

I encourage all reposting of my stuff. It makes me feel fuzzy inside ^_____________________________________________________________________^

I don't really understand why they're complaining. I know on e621, most submissions have a link to the original, or at least to the artists' page, and it's probably going to result in more watches for them. I've watched a few artists I didn't know about up until I saw them on there.

right, but to post it up as if it were your own, with no reference or comment about the original artist or where you got it from, is rather disrespectful in that sense.

Well yeah, that's just dirty. However, most of the submissions that don't cite their source will at least get tagged with the artists' name, which usually can be used to track them down.

If I see something I like on fchan, I look at the signature, or source (or if neither exist, I rage) and see if they have an FA page to see their other works. So it's good publicity.

TBH, e621 is how I found your work and started watching you. IMHO, they help you as an artist!

The only one that makes sense to me is the funn-games one, they tend to stick an advertisement for their site onto the beginning of the flash.

The more I read about your views on stuff (inkbunny, this) the cooler you are. :P

Coolz.

"If I wouldn't want my work being redistributed on The Internets, I wouldn't post it at all."

Truer words have never been spoken.

And Seriously ? I don't care.
If I wouldn't want my work being redistributed on The Internets, I wouldn't post it at all.
(here for example).
I can understand the problem if the reposted work come from paysites, art CD / DVD etc.
As long as these sites doesn't make money with my (and anyone else) work and quote the name of the artist, I don't see where is the problem.

A lot of people forgot how internet works!

So good to read something like this. I don't see how anyone can complain to free advertising and free distribution of their works they have made for people to enjoy for free. As long as people don't try and claim credit for doing stuff thats not theirs what is there to shout about.

I think the whine here is about some sites that don't reference anyone properly, not nessicarily that the work is posted elsewhere.

I didn't think it was a whine at all. More an observation about how some people get stressy about the work they post online being reposted in other places.

What really pisses me off is that e621 allows posts of altered work.

Now thats a different kettle of fish entirely. Altering other peoples work or taking credit for it yourself is just out of order.

Here are a few examples:
http://e621.net/post/show/54711/ana.....b-cum-cum_in_a
http://e621.net/post/show/79983/bab.....german_text-la

I was thinking more along the lines of people who colour in other artists line drawings and then claim it was their own work. Or one I saw before someone had seemed to trace or copy someone elses picture, change the markings on the characters and then claimed it as 100% their own work.

But those above are pretty bad too.

that seems like constructed criticism to me

Yeah thats why  skunkworks no longer cares because hey, at least people still like his art from 10 years ago. But those sites are full of drama, and he hates that shit.

I think some the artists raged because some of the art was deleted from old galleries they didn't want to see posted anymore, and yet these sites have it up, that, and the sites must be making some kind of profit, otherwise they wouldn't actualy be up at all, wether its off of the art [donations count, because its to view the work and keep the website live] or by ad space, eh, the whole issue will always be there, even if it sucks, took me 2 months to get my art off e621 :/

You realise that donation doesn't equal profit. Most sites never make money, even with ads and donations, after costs. I know we certainly don't.

I see it like "What? I'm on e62, Furpiled, etc....what an honor!" People like my shit enough to not only keep it, but share it! Zomg!

Exactly!

i often use e621 too paw since its faster/got more hot stuffz

*naughty!*

indeed;3 e621 is like furry porn google xD you type what you want and you get;3

It's the best~

i wanted to post my commissions there but i am always too lazy ._.

It's about controlling your work. You are fine with people redistributing your art and that's great. I take your approach and not post anything I want to stay off the internet. Wrong is wrong, you don't take things that don't belong to you. It shouldn't be that artist needs to protect their work from unauthorized redistribution, but we do. If anything of mine has value, then I don't put it on the internet, I have to assume that it will be stolen. I find it sad that I need to approach anything in that manner. The internet is a great tool to connect with clients and many use sites that are open and work is easily stolen. I generally work with individuals or small groups and that reduces the likelihood that they would want their art used by others. I also advocate the use of a private server to store clients work and give each one access to only their own material(This also goes beyond controlling the access and distribution of art.). Again, it's wrong that people steal and I need to go to these lengths, but it's realistic to expect it.

If stuff you post for free someone else charges for, or stuff you charge for someone else posts for free, that's not cool. If you post it for free, they post it for free, it's a win-win, you get famous! Only problem is, down the road, if you start charging for your hard work, they'll probably be equally willing to post that for free...

Enjoy it while it's innocuous though!

You don't care if your work gets reposted.

That's perfectly all right. That's how you feel and it's cool.

Some people do care if their work gets reposted.

Again, that's all right. Their work. They should care.

In any case, though, my problem with the situation is when a creator asks to have their stuff removed from a site, the site owners should have the decency to go "Okay. Tell me what stuff needs to go and it'll be removed." Not "Ha! It's the Internet! Too Bad!"

Why not generate some good will and do the right thing, rather than become a great big fat target that people will try to destroy?

That's the behavior I don't understand. Is it simple laziness, or are the people just hardcore assholes? They enjoy having their upstream providers shutting them down because of possible DMCA action?

Yeah, the situation will continue so long as there are people on the Internet. Making fun of people who are passionate about their creations is just dumb. Being an asshat with other people's stuff is just dumb, too.

Yes, because none of us have ever gotten something off the internet that wasn't supposed to be possible. 90% of net users download at least 1 thing that's not from the original site, or pirate something that they should pay for.

I say again, Pirate, Yar matey.

The reason for the behavior is this: They don't care. They don't care if some whiny artist that's probably not going to take the time to get a lawyer and force them to do anything is sending them messages, saying they want their stuff removed. Don't want it posted elsewhere, don't post it publicly. If it's from a pay thing, get a freaking lawyer to deal with it. x3 Simplesticks!

This.
The Internet is INHERENTLY a self-replicating medium. it's part of what makes it strong.

If I remember correctly, as of TWO YEARS AGO, the net alone (not to mention the general dataspace which is at least twice to 4 times as big) is in the Multiple Exabyte Region.

And around half of that was a copy of the original data.

Once people realise this fact, Ignore the tiny minority of idiots who try and take credit for their work to try and inflate their pitiful egos (unless you either sell it yourself, or they try to sell it, then you have legal recourse), and just concentrate on making the art the best they can and the place they choose to have it hosted primarily the best they can also, The furry and Artistic communities will be a better place.

Agreed. Besides, it's simple mechanics to bury your signature into an image as well as place one in a hard to edit location, in plain sight. x3

Well said.

You and I share the same outlook on our art. It's a great way of getting your name out there without having to do anything. The only thing that kinda bugs me about it is sites like Fchan and (especially) e621 are nothing more than target practice for trolls and lulz. Honestly though, I don't care if people want to make fun of my work somewhere else... but when they bring it to my own galleries... I get annoyed.

lawl

People that complain about such stuff are wasting their breath. The internet is full of pirates, yar matey. x3

XD...true..so vewy twue indeed

"If I wouldn't want my work being redistributed on The Internets, I wouldn't post it at all."

WHOLE!!! meaning about internet and distributing art on it.

No thives, redistibuted, tracking, use without permission etc, and all that and similliar kind of shit ^___^

I used to be all 'Oh Noes!!' when I found my art posted on other sites but then I had some people actually contacting me wanting to pay me for my art CD they got off a torrent. I thought that was so cool! In the end I learned that if you treat your fans right they will, in return, treat you right. Bitching and complaining about art theft and punishing everyone for the sake of a few ass-holes by adding watermarks or posting shitty quality pics only hurts the artist in the long run.

But then again this is just my personal opinion.

Bitching and complaining about art theft and punishing everyone for the sake of a few ass-holes by adding watermarks or posting shitty quality pics only hurts the artist in the long run.

I totally agree with you on this point!

And you're awesome for it.

all the sites you mention are free, but what about this http://sites1.adult-empire.com/7203/?rs=1

These are the people the community REALLY needs to concentrate their efforts on. the pricks who think they can take other people's art and SELL IT or place it behind a paywall without permission or even crediting the original artist.

as I said in my previous post, once Money becomes involved, THEN you have recourse.

Ah ben justement, c'est celui là que je cherchais !
Comme j'ai dit, les trucs du genre e621 , fchan et tout : ok.
Mais ça non.

WEll, my only bitch at these sites when it has been my art, is when its stuff that is for $$ or stuff that is has been drawn for others... For the most part, I have told people IF you are going to repost my art TELL ME... that's all I want.

=^.,.^=

ditto

but I think that would be waay too easy for the /b/tards to do, asking permission, or informing the artist of what's going on, just isn't in their "play book" if you will.

I didn't even know you could put flash on fchan... o.o;


Grats H0rs3! ^^

I WIN 10 INTERNETS

actually I think having your arts reposted on Fchan was how I found out about you in the first place.
As a rule, I don't repost anything, I leave that up to the artist, unless they say "Feel free to distribute."

You win a cookie for being so right :)

I generally don't have a problem with my commissions making it to fchan/e621. In fact, I think the only time I'm gotten irritated was when someone claimed a pic I'd commissioned was them (to which, the dwellers on fchan promptly started trolling the guy o_O Was funny as hell to read someone say "I know Keshmurr" (one of my characters), he's a good friend of mine", seeing that Kesh is a character and not actually me) - gotta love that whole "Your Fursona" threads that pop up every now and then on Fchan.

I'll second what others have said - I think it was through fchan I'd found out about your cg/flash work.

Hell, I usually post commissions I've paid for into relevent threads on fchan to either keep threads alive, or to provide people with the full version of a commissioned pic that's been cropped.

I'm sure I might take some offense (as well as be thankful) when I start posting audio works I've been doing and people use them in their works without asking, but with past experience, all I usually want with such is someone giving credit for the music. Hell, if I remember correctly, all one has to do with music in a flash that's done for free (to show off one's skills or just mucking around) is to list the creators in the credits and it's covered in the free use portions of copyright laws...

You know, I might not be much of an artist, but if I saw my work being promoted on other sites, I would be flattered by it. It's like someone sharing a music CD they bought with heir friends, only on a larger scale. As long as they say 'Hey, this is the guy who made this stuff', Then I think it's a good thing. Congrats^^

This.

I mean, how can you complain about free advertising and word of mouth?

I know! Hell, that's how i learned about a lot of the artists I like!

This journal is the truth.

Also, no one can do anything legally unless there is an issue with profit gain or loss.
-That's- what copyright -really- protects. It keeps the -idea- bound to the -creator- so no one else can make -money- off of it.
If someone else is making a profitable gain, directly using your idea, then the person is in trouble.

Example:
Jerry owns a site where he posts pay-to-view art, if someone uploads these images somewhere else then they are diverting profit from Jerry. Jerry can now sue the pants off of the poster, imagehost, or whoever whomever caused the problem. This is because he is losing money, his business is declining because of an unfair use of his material.

However:
Terry owns a site as well. He doesn't make a profit for his works as he just draws for fun. Terry then notices that his works are being randomly distributed across the internet. Terry -cannot- do anything until a proper form is filled out because he is not losing any money, because he wasn't making a profit to begin with. There is nothing really protecting ideas that aren't made for a profit.

Because this site is hosted in America, and being that America is a -CAPITALIST- society, I don't see why this is such a -hard- concept to swallow...

... ... Suprise!

i have to agree. im a sub par artist and even i found something i drew on a furry porn sight. i was actually rather flattered lol. it was in the none porn section and isn't even nude but i thought "WOW someone looked at the dam thing and even liked it 8D"

if only e621.net didn't have vicious computer bricking viruses spamming it, I'd play around there more often.

"A lot of people forgot how internet works!"

THANK YOU

There is another site you missed. Its the first place I saw your work. try looking on clitgames.com

Not saying that your artwork is on this site, but I don't know if it is either.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1486867/

I would check sources and see what exactly is yours and if it's posted on this site. If it is, then someone is making money off of your talent and works ...

dam your peing a champ about that gratz man *paw bumps*

Yeah everyones furry work is spread like that. Pretty much.

You are so good the WORLD should be witnessing your wonderful work! (Am I kissing up enough here???)

My respect for you++

Hey, e621 is where i found you after all. Can't complain about that :>

Youve got a good attitude about. Share the wealth of pron!

I've been enjoying your stuff long before I knew you made them. X-P Discovering them and you here was awesome/amazing.

HEH, I like your attitude!

I'm the same way! Earlier this week some of my art was posted to e612, but I didn't mind. Hell, I got so many new watchers because of it!

Fait attention tu va devenir un vrai furry

A thing which most people forget when on an aristic streak and posting it all to a site is not to do it if they are works one cares about, because if someone wants to, they will steal it. Ones best bet is to only post sub-par works which you don't care about, and ones in which you cannot make a dime off of. This is why those in the field take the proper precautions and license thier works to the recipient and tightly keep control of distribution.
--Onni

Cannot agree with you more on Internet, if you don't want others to have it don't give it to them. Really just that simple.

you forgot flashchan.ru