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12/01/2014 Site Status and Community Updates
An apology    

By JessicaElwood, 4 years ago
First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!.
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  zeropoint
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  There's been so many instances where I've completely forgotten about commissions that I'm not sure if you owe me anything or not. :V

  demon87
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I nvevr had the chance to talk to you about your art or anything eles so nothing from me.

  blitza
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Remember the trade we had 7 years ago i did my part but you did not your part and we have talked on yahoo about it

I wanted really comission you but who give me the promise you dont let me hang like darkduck and others ?

Dont be mad at me i say only how i feel about all

  orca1
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I am afraid I lack the funds to comission art from anyone, but even if I did have a piece pending from you, your skill would be worth waiting any amount of time in my opinion. I also believe that real life matters take precedence over internet activities, so getting your affairs in order should be top priority.

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  but you have to remember commissions aren't a internet activity when there is money involved it is a business thing, and if you owe money you cant put it off for that long.

  freakysheik
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  <Bleep>! o,o

  samoyedsin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Gosh, what brought this on? Wouldn't happen to be this, would it? http://community.livejournal.com/ar.....re/344270.html

=P

That post was brought to my attention by a friend earlier tonight, and when I read it, I just went slack-jawed, because it sounded so similar to my own situation with you ages ago it was eerie, right down to the "suddenly having computer problems" spiel. =P

  jessicaelwood
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Well, actually both happened at the same time so it was the same computer crash. There is no apology big enough to make up to DarkDuck64 :(

  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  hu.. a computer crash can last for.. what? a month?
he as been waiting for 2 years so far.

  revamp
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I'm not buying it.

  kraton
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Nor am I. Just read through that and while I may have near limitless patience, when money over 20$ is involved, I wouldn't have lasted that long. I'd have asked for my money back, and payed the money for the sketch I asked for when I saw it done. I can see why that guy waited so long, I like her art too, but these days jobs are hard to come by. I'd have not waited nearly that long.

  revamp
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  He does have the patience like of that manager at walmart you see clearing up all the mistakes that his/her employees make.

Congrats to him for waiting so long though.

  megido
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  If I recall correctly from the journal above, which I'm assuming you read, she did say that it was her own, personal issues, and procrastination that was primarily to blame. Sounded like she was pinning it on herself rather than a computer crash.

  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  and if you read, she's blaming the computer crash RIGHT ABOVE MY REPLY.

  sf3p0x1
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  And if you read it, she's not blaming it SOLELY on the computer crash. She's saying that the crash is only part of it.

  megido
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  What the guy above me said. In my response to you, I said, "it was her own, personal issues, and procrastination that was PRIMARILY to blame", meaning other, lesser factors were likely involved. This includes a possible computer crash.

  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  and? she still blamed her computer crash in that moment on the commision by ducky..
I know you're a huge fanboy of her but grow up.. 2 years is a LONG TIME.

  sf3p0x1
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Fanboy? Really? Is this going to turn into a X360/PS3 style of "debate" where both of us are convinced we are right and the other person is wrong?

Yes, 2 years is a long time. If it's not, you either have an amazing amount of patience, have slept most of that time away, or are in a time machine. But to be so ignorant as to say she's only blaming her computer crash, when it's obvious that she's accepted responsibility for this and is trying to make up for it...

I don't believe in second chances, because seconds chances infer that you don't believe the person will ever change, and the second chance is the last chance for them. I believe in chances, and that as long as someone makes an effort to change, then I'll believe they can do it and give them whatever patience and support they need. That's not me being any sort of fanboy, that's me being me. And it's taken me a great deal of time to develop this view on life, because otherwise, life fucking sucks. So don't fucking tell me to grow up. Instead, look in the mirror and say that.

  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  you are really stupid you know?
someone asked about the "computer thing", I pointed where SHE SAID ABOUT THE COMPUTER PROBLEM. and then you still keep going at me like I'm the one whos wrong, whos the bad guy. as far I know, I AM NOT THE ONE SLACKING ON COMMISSIONS FOR MORE THAN A YEAR or pulling the IM SORRY GUYS, ITS AWWRIGHT, because its not, until the artist in question learns to payback or do what she's owed , all the "IM SORRRRYYYYY" is only SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

and I mention FANBOY because you both (megido and you ) insist that the computer part is important.. and IT IS, anyway it doesnt suddenly make it allright for her to dont do what she owes nor gives the right to shield herself for 2 goodamn years.

This talk seriously reminds me when BO.Connell started to pull his popularity card to dont do commissions and end ripping off customers left and right. but ohh no.. for their glorious fanboys, BO was a hero, the uncorruptible and a saint that couldnt fail.


besides computer can be fixed easily or replaced when you know where to. If she doesnt look or try to fix it, it isnt the customer's problem. (also Remember Duck's position, he has asked money back a few times, but when JE promised to do her art with deadlines, he accepted them to then get nothing after the deadlines passed).


TLDR:
BY HER OWN WORDS:
Well, actually both happened at the same time so it was the same computer crash. There is no apology big enough to make up to DarkDuck64 :(

I replied:
hu.. a computer crash can last for.. what? a month?
he as been waiting for 2 years so far.

You and Megido suddenly focus on something that SHE SAID ELSEWHERE, and not the discussion at hand.
If I recall correctly from the journal above, which I'm assuming you read, she did say that it was her own, personal issues, and procrastination that was primarily to blame. Sounded like she was pinning it on herself rather than a computer crash.


and again I point the post where SHE SAYS THE COMPUTER PROBLEM as excuse.
and if you read, she's blaming the computer crash RIGHT ABOVE MY REPLY.

but yet you both keep insisting "irrelevant.. its just a part of it".




  sf3p0x1
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  But the way YOU sound, it's like this journal doesn't exist and she's claiming a computer crash as the SOLE REASON for the trouble over the 2 years late commission. Which she's not. And which she says HERE that it's NOT.

Read this journal.

  creedofheresy
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You're both immature for getting into this girnormous tl;dr INTARNETZ WAAAAR over this shit. Both of you drop your balls and drop the subject and shut up.

  sf3p0x1
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Congrats, you just joined in.

Would you like some help dropping your balls too?

  neocloud88h
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  The only thing I'd like to point out is that if you have no money, and you have a broken computer, you could be without a personal computer for well over a year or more ;). I've known plenty of people (an artist or two) who've been broke and used friends' computers to upload old personal stuff when they were unable to do new things because their equipment was broken and they couldn't afford to buy new stuff cause they could barely pay their bills. But... no that's impossible right? It can only be a month. This isn't just in response to JE, this goes for a lot of my friends who've dealt with this. You assume way too much that people can just replace stuff and get moving.

  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  saving, even a buck or two every week does a great shit.
by the way, I've seen many who get into the same hole.. and you know why?
because many people have FUCKED UP PRIORITIES

its like "OHH DAY I ONLY GOT 300 USD FOR THE NEXT MONTH AND THAT INCLUDES RENT, WEEE WHAT I SHOULD DO?"
then they buy a x-box later on..
in some cases not that extreme (like going to the cinema instead of actually saving for food...
then they whine "HOW LITTLE MONEY THEY HAVE".. after they buy XXXX in privilegues and luxuries (like games, cinema, restaurants, toys, plushies.. you name it, I've seen this so many times I cannot even remember the number..).


  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  true at that.

i think to end this must have a say would be to have each just STFU and move on that or tell em that who the fuck cares shes making up for it now trying at least and not telling people as a way to have people troll the fuck outta this shes intending to endure the possibility's of hate and or compassion and people feeling that some have bad luck or no funding to repair things.

example: if i hadn't found this laptop and bought it cheap instead of the normal value i wouldn't even have my own computer and would be in the same fucking situation so really they are arguing over the stupidest things i say have at tearing the rude ones ass up.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:12866368 read and like to include i had those systems and they were stolen and im not rebuying em im making the theif replace em by court order and so far has almost the total for replacement so gtfo u idiot u have no place here.

also i may take a long time to do some things but that don't mean even my priority's are fucked u must be fucked up to even think that shit get a life dude grab a more abstract way of thinking and then try that shit maybe u will have people not telling u off by then. ok


  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  oh before i forget i have trouble saving my money knowing full well i get money when ever i need it i never think of the next day only whats gonna be for the day im in. so faulty claim on ur part btw.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  dude hes trying to stop the bullshit stop trying to start shit when u can either 1 make a point and shut the other dude up or 2 give it a rest and realize he dont know how other people are and their ability's or inability's therefore his logic is false u know that so just let me throw some words and shut him up for ya.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  also doing lots atm so rush jb typing couldnt use much to no punctuation also has dissabilitys that hinder me on typeing and writings.hope u understand and could read.

i can at time replace stuff only cause i improvise alot and try to do more so i can but thats just me but he seems to not realize i was in that situation months ago myself and found luckily a good laptop available i could by its not about how fast u can do it its about availability he thinks everything is oinna be on shelves and u can allways buy when what u want or need will never be allways there to buy he is such a lowminded hypocrite thinking he knows how economy works how the world works that he just blindly opens his ass and trys to speak from there if u are gonna tell him off be sure to go all out otherwise u might be in for one hell of a nite eh.

  creedofheresy
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Thank you for proving my point.

  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  the comments stacked in a awful way that I have no idea what part was for me and what part for the other dudes..

  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  also hang on, you say you get money wherever you want, for each day and you only plan one day then you say you dont know how to save money?
that makes no sence.

if not explain; because I cant understand what you're trying to say.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  u have shown respect ill give ya that no matter how minor it is.

ok well its makes sense cause some people have major trouble saving large sums of cash. i for one am one so u may find no sense in it but maybe cause u haven't encountered it urself is why that's a claim.but one thing i will say here is yes whenever i want but not allways an everyday thing. one im not taking food from food banks due to people who really have trouble getting their own food need it more than me so i do oddjobs while jobless to get the little extra, still of course looking. but regardless im just trying to see if anything is able to be cleared up even if its still likely the person fucked up and should face it.

  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  nope, never encountered problems, because despite my horribly low salaries in the past (let's say less than 300 USD per MONTH) I still managed to make a trip for example.. to anthrocon, wich costs 1,100 USD )
but then.. I KNOW HOW TO SAVE peny by peny and to dont buy compulsively.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  oh well pennys they are easy cant spend them myself which is why they are they are annoying ti use in stores for one. and compulsivly maybe after ive eaten then ill buy something nice ive been wanting swords for a costume im getting used for anime north if i can go next year. but even then i hold off on many wants cause things come up where i understand i cannot afford it like say atm un-interest or something else.

  kayze
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Can we please use "you" and some form of proper language?

Gah, it's a eye sore.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  habits cant be broken in seconds.

  h2o589
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Maybe you shouldn't focus so much on taking nude photos on Da and focus instead on making art.

  titano-faggot
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Yes, blame a computer crash even though you were submitting 3+ pics a week to sexyfur.

  cuteemmy
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  U probably save me allot of money
I read the livejournal about it and i was saving for commission her in the future but i think i will choose some1 else cuz this scared me a bit :/

  samoyedsin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  That's your decision. I'm not /trying/ to scare people away from JE here. Her work's great and all, but she leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to treating clients properly. =P

  eaglewing
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  There really isn't any reason to be afraid of commissions. Something happened nobody could control, it's over, now everyone needs to move on.

  inaki
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Someone's a little vindictive.

  samoyedsin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You have /no/ idea. >=3

  inaki
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Sadly your rage is lost on me, and you just look like a dick. Sorry. :]

  samoyedsin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Well, tell ya what. When I decide to run for office, I'll make it a point to start caring how I'm perceived by random people on the internet.

(Actually, no, I probably wouldn't care then, either. X3)

  ssobotkajr
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Considering the fact that Jess -- apart from being a nice gal really -- really has not held up her end of the deal on past commissions, I think you need to amp back a bit on calling him a dick.

Jess made a request for help, offering some "Emergency" commissions to people back in 2008. I offered to help, and paid her 60 dollars for one. The next thing I knew, it had been nearly 8 months before I got even a prelim sketch of the piece I wanted done, and in that time, she had multiple computer problems, trouble with personal deals, and other such sundry.

I tried getting her to talk back to me, but the communication was practically not there. It eventually took me telling her I would petition Paypal to get my 60 dollars back for her to get back on the ball and finish the commission.

All said, it took nearly 2 years to get my finished piece.

Again, I understand that personal life and problems CAN cause delays for an artist. But, when it's taking THAT long to finish one commission, much less the number of jobs she's offered and taken on, that's not the proper image you want to present to the world.

I'm not vindictive against Jess. I just hope that she'll make good on her word that she will do better for any future clients.


-- Stephen


  samoyedsin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  EXACTLY. Ugh. I love all these outsiders and wannabe white knights who come into threads like these with their "good intentions" comments when they really have no idea what's going on.

I'm honestly just as patient as that DD guy was in waiting for my commission from JE. I was ALWAYS civil in my notes to her, even when she didn't respond to them or otherwise "hid" from me on the countless other sites she runs to when the heat pours on. I usually waited weeks or a full month in-between even sending her notes asking for updates.

After a while, however, I can only take so many run-around or minimalistic responses from someone I paid a handsome amount of money for services to before I'm going to feel like they're just giggling like Japanese school girls at me on the other end.

I'm sorry, but if she's just "barely making it each month" financially, then I hope for her sake she actually has another job and isn't making all her money off of art commissions. Because at the rate she churns out art for her clients, I can see where they got the term "starving artist" from.

I thought I was actually catching a break when I managed to snag one of those "emergency commission slots" like you did back in 08. Ha, if only I'd have known the truth. Honestly, JE is the main reason why I'm hesitant to pay artists in advance for anything if the asking price is over $20, because I really, REALLY don't want to play the game I had to play with her again ... ever.

I think the thing that pissed me off most about my incedent with her was on one hand she was sitting there telling me "my computer doesn't work =( =( =(" or "I've been busy/distracted lately," then on the other hand I was seeing her posting new work for herself or other people on other sites AT THE SAME TIME her PC was supposedly "on the fritz." How curious.

Anyway, I hope if nothing else that she's learned that all the frowny face emoticons and concise "I'm sorries" in the world will only get you so far when you legitimately owe people. Again, I really think the only reason she even made this journal is because she's gotten overwhelmed with all the "where's my pic?" notes and emails she's likely gotten from the other people she owes.

If all this makes me come off as a jerk, oh well. But it all boils down to carrying yourself as a professional. If you're going to ask people professional prices, then you damn well better act like one with your clients. I work in a vet clinic. Can you imagine how quickly I'd lose my job if people paid a lot of money to make their pet better and I told them, "Sorry, been busy. I'll get to it when I can. Don't call me. I'll call you."? =P

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

 

typeing sucks i know but i have trouble doing that easy just bear with me.
UGH personal interpretation is such vindictive idocy call it what ya want but to me u have no idea what the real description of being professional means if i looked on that its most likely being a pro but now humanity has warped so many original words to the brink that they mean things that isnt likely gonna work for humanity but cause em problems so i say professional means bean humble yet not slacking intentionally without doing what ur doing should like the type who does rush jobs cause ur worried about or image as an artist btw i may not be the best but i still do decent weapons art and will in the future for peoples fursonas but atm i need to do alot to my room like fix up my electronic systems before i even organize where they are placed then set up may paying systems to start it get into the habit of doing art not when i feel like it but when its asked for but still i would ask people be respectful beforehand to my speed personality and much more otherwise commish someone else and fuck off that way problem avoided but if i were ya dont be to harsh dude some things u say come very close to accusations towards well being.

  stickdude32
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  wow...22 months...
that's...a pretty long time to wait.
but even so, with ignored notes, i was kinda curious of what JE was doing. i can trust her when she said 'life's getting hectic' or 'my computer broke'.
to me, that journal wasn't harsh, but rather it was just showing others that JE wasn't keeping him up to speed on what was going on.
even though i have never paid for a commision (i dun gots munnies) i dont really plan to. i don't care of the wait, but the price is too much for a peice of art.

  kraton
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  If you ask me, a fellow artist, art that takes years should be entirely free, no matter HOW good the quality is.
That's why I don't charge people for art I draw for them. I have about 10 or 11 giftart submissions I've slowly been working on, but I made them to be free because I know I don't get much time to work on art.

I think Jess should start by paying back all those who are waiting, STOP taking in commissions, work on the commissions she already HAS, then see if those who wanted them will pay for them (at a lowered cost due to the wait), and once her plate is CLEANED she should start taking commissions again, and at the rate she draws art, no more than 4 commissions a month. that gives her a week of straight work on each piece maximum. if she can't make 1 sketch a week, then she doesn't have time to be taking in commissions.

  stickdude32
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  that's true.
some artist's i've seen take the payment after the drawing has been made.

  kraton
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  That's what I would do *nod* or at least half payment first the other half after.
After all, even if they don't pay, if you do a good job on the artwork, then it'll just add to your gallery which is essential to getting viewers. More viewers = more people who may want to commission you. Either way the artist wins.

  stickdude32
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  yeah. and you feel good about making a nice drawing.

  revamp
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I totally agree, unless it takes years and it's under contract.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  its called respect to the artist and knowing that its possible that time might not be the best in many forms of possibilitys.

  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  an artist who does NOT RESPECT THEIR CUSTOMERS or FANS do NOT deserve respect.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  exactly i may watch her but that do not mean its because the art alone she does have some earned respect maybe not alot but still some.

  neocloud88h
 

(Annoyed) Posted: 4 years ago

  I'm glad that this has been taken care of, but no one should use this as an opportunity to try to blackmail her or try to get shit from her. She's offering out an apology and made things right, I don't see why other people need to get involved in this and try to make it a bad situation. I hate people who do shit like that.

  samoyedsin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Uh, considering she's done this to numerous people (myself included), I don't think anyone here is trying to "blackmail" her.

Looking back, I'm amazed I ever got my pics from JE at all after seeing what this poor guy went through just to get so much as a sketch. (BTW, it was around a YEAR before I got anything from her, too.)

The thing that really kicked me in the balls was I paid her in advance for my commission when she was in a financial bind, and like this Duck fellow, I kept getting the run-around -- the ignored notes, the noncommittal responses, the "hectic RL" excuses, the repeatedly missed deadlines, et cetera.

It got to the point where I felt like I'd just flushed +$80 down the toilet and was about to give up on even seeing a sketch.

Anyway, artists can "say" they're going to try to be more "professional" all they want, but until they back up those words with actions, they're just empty promises in my eyes. Frankly, it looks like JE is just posting this because she got caught red-handed jerking a client around again.

The bottom line is, if an artist cannot or flatout has no intention of carrying out their end of a bargain in a timely manner, they shouldn't be taking commissions...period.

Yes, we DO realize that "real life comes first," but you know what? People are only going to buy the "baww I'm really busy" or "aaaugh my PC no worky!" lines so many times before they're going to get disgruntled. You can't have the audacity to ask for high dollar prices for your work if you're just going to play "catch me if you can" with them for months on end, ya know?

Anyhow, I digress. =P

  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I fully agree with you, until the artist in question fixes the problem, its just smoke and mirrors.

  neocloud88h
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  That isn't what I was talking about. People use situations like this to their advantage and I'm well aware of that. I'm not saying that you haven't waited for art (I obviously don't know) but that doesn't mean people should be like "So you better give me art or else I'm gonna do something to try to hurt your reputation." Not saying that's what DD did, I'm saying that's what I assume people will try to do.

  samoyedsin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You shouldn't assume things; it rarely ends well. =1

Also, the internet doesn't need anymore "white knights." Anyone with half a brain can spot the "blackmailers" a mile away. Besides, I don't think anyone could hurt JE's rep any worse than she's already done by her own doing. =P

  neocloud88h
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I dunno seems like there are a lot of people who still support her... so I suppose her reputation isn't so tarnished. But hey, don't commission her again, the internet REALLY doesn't need more smartasses. And that's the end of my part of the argument ^.^

  samoyedsin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  1) I wasn't planning on commissioning her again. I'm not a gambling man. =P

2) It's soooo easy to be a "supporter" for her when you haven't thrown money at JE, then practically had to stalk her online just to get a "le sigh I've been busy" response out of her.

3) If telling it like it is makes me a "smart ass," so be it. I won't lose any sleep at night over it. =3

4) ...You had an argument? o_O

  betakrogoth
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I don't get where all the hatred came from :/
did you get your commish in the end?

  samoyedsin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Did you even READ any of my comments here? The fact that I finally got my commission is supposed to magically placate me and make me forget all the ridiculousness I had to endure just to get it? =P

  betakrogoth
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Hell no! But all Jess can do is say sorry, i just don't see why you keep driving the stake in! you DO have a point, a damn valid one too, there is no argument against it, but your points been made now, from my point of view, it just seems like your being nasty for the fun of it :P

  trist
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Sometimes a blow, or the threat of a blow, to an artist's reputation is the only recourse people have. The man waited what, 22 months, to get what he paid for? And is still waiting? What other action does he have left but to go public? I had a similar situation with a popular artist. I waited a year before I started asking for updates. I was ignored, given deadlines that came and went, and made promises that were never kept. Finally, I made a journal and aired my grievances publicly; within a week I had what I paid for. I subsequently removed the journal as a courtesy, but it goes to show what little options commissioners have in this fandom when an artist flakes out.

  neocloud88h
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Once again, I'm not talking about what DD did, read what I said please.

  blitza
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  If jessica would be an lil more active on talking peopel who she owns art then this all would not happen.

The art trade i did wich her 7 years ago i did my part but then she dont talked me and vanished for years is that correct ?

I know i am not the best drawer (draws bad) but when she accept it she should hold her word.



  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  i agree as an artist your career is based on your reputation and if your making bad on your fans i think its fair they should be putting their grievances public because that's the only way to get that artists attention if that artist purposely ignore your messages. if it where me in her situation id limit my commissions to a 5 slot journal. and would put the commission first before my own artwork work. the most i made someone wait for a commission was a week or 2 because i lost my place and didn't have access to any internet anywhere.

  zelos
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  whos DD?

  mewtwolover
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  DarkDuck64

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  ugh ok she isnt Allan shes a fucking person stop BS'ing urself over how people make mistakes and sometimes unintentionally cant do things like u or i or many people can due to personality's and emotions and many other factors.

  bobskunk
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  this is dumb

If the commissions couldn't be completed, they shouldn't have been taken in the first place- let alone be taken without ever finishing the previous engagement(s.) The artists make up a substantial part of the fandom's makeup, but commissioners aren't simply a source of free money. They're paying for a service/good- a finished piece of artwork. To take money for something and never render that service/good to the buyer is to commit fraud.

Allan was also a person. Allan also committed fraud. This wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't a recurring problem w/r/t not holding up their end of an agreement, not communicating, and apparently not even providing a refund. It really IS a shame because I've seen a lot of people says JessicaElwood is quite nice and kind and IS talented, but the business/professional side is sorely lacking. That's the problem.

how is this hard to comprehend

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  its not hard to comprehend i just find that this person just has life issues going on or other factors in her life that may or may not have contributed to time being off her side.

  bobskunk
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Having problems in life is an excuse- just not for over a year with large amounts of cash involved. Do the work or issue a refund. If you can do neither, you shouldn't have taken the commission and moreso shouldn't be taking MORE commissions without any intent of finishing them.

you're dumb and defending a fraud

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  not defending nope u think to direct of words to even comprehend the abstractness talent of mine try again and this time do not assume by contextual thought.

  felalalie
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I'm on your side here... on the line of 'real life comes first' I think +$80 counts as 'real life'.

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  i agree, also i don't understand why some people think things you do on the internet that involve real people dont count as real life, i mean isn't everything we do online with real people considered part of real life, by that i know stuff like games aren't real life, but when you do something to make a real person upset no matter the subject its considered part of real life, and owing money and work is part of real life, money is part of real life its how business are working now a days.

  lamington
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Good luck fixing and clearing all this up Jess. You can do it!

  jaffah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You know I am patient kitten. Take care of business and clear this up. We are behind you Jess.

  kushiwolfer
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  People have their ups and downs. Granted things might not have seemed to been handled well by you in the eyes of those looking in on all of it. But hopefully everyone will understand and move on with their lives seeing as you're making the effort to tie up the loose ends on the commissions. Best of luck to you.

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  i didn't have a commission but you did say you wanted to draw something for me i asked for gecko fan art but that was like maybe 4 or 5 years ago i don't really mind though i know how rough your luck was these years Ive been your watcher, still enjoy your art anyways if i ever have the money id commission you, but bit of advise is no matter what, commit to the commission or don't accept any commission requests if your to busy, i had a rough few years myself being homeless with 2 jobs and going to an expensive full time collage , but i only accepted commissions when i knew i had the time to do them. but hey we all learn from our mistakes :) so don't sweat it, as long as everyone knows you realize your mistakes i think you'll be fine. ^_^

  patpahootie
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Here's hoping life gets easier for you.

I still have... 3 commisisons out ther with you somewhere.

  jeremynalsi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Sent ya a note ^^

  ancientone
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Hopefully you remember about my commission from May 2008 - user name from Deviantart.com is KaiRoshi....:<

  ekaris
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Strange,
I have yet to see anyone complaining about your actions.
But if you feel that you've wronged us, your apology will most likely be accepted with respect.
We're all going through hard times right now, we don't blame you for how you feel or what you've been through.

Here's hoping things get better for you. :)

  stigmartyr762
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I'm working on it right now. *hugs*

  norithics
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Well, if nobody else is going to say it, I will:
I'm glad you're choosing to be a bigger person about it and trying to take responsibility. That's more than I would expect from most people, and maybe now would be a good time to reflect on your ability to work within deadlines and maybe give people a more realistic expectation of what they have to provide, and when they can reasonably expect things.

I know that I had to think long and hard about it before I took commissions, personally, because my inspiration is so fickle, and my ability to have hard deadlines is crushingly art-blocking. So I just let people know up front that I'm slow and to only pay me after a rough's been submitted. It's worked rather well for me thus far.

Either way, good luck on this. I hope you work everything out satisfactorily.

  inaki
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Seconded. That's more than I've gotten for other artists who've also delayed commissions of sizable sums for at least 2 years. I've never commissioned you, but good on you for admitting problems and working to make things right.

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  wow i read a lot of complaints about you Jessica, as a fellow artist i have to say yes you have been very unprofessional for someone with such amazing artistic talent, i want to give you a few tips on handling commissions since i know a popular artist like you gets tons of commissions and that's a godsend for people who don't have money.

1) make a commission list of 5 commissioners at a time in your journal this way you only have to work at 5 commissions at a time or less if that's to many people to draw for.

2) if you have commissions don't post other work unless you finished your commissions, whenever i get a commission its the first drawing i start on any other projects i wanted to do are put on hold as an artist if someone is paying you, their commissioned art comes first.

3) never EVER ignore notes it doesn't matter if you get a bunch when you owe a lot of commissions ignoring notes makes you look bad and i mean really look bad and only makes things worse for you. so i advise if you cant handle all the attention don't accept commissions. and as someone who's very popular online if you want your fans to love you read what they have to say, if you cant, make some time to read through and answer all notes. but as i noticed you have posted your own art that wasn't commissioned i think if you had time to draw on your own time and make nude model photos you had time to finish commissions.

4) as an artist you must keep your promises because I'm going into the animation profession it will not look good to someone hiring you knowing you treat costumers this way and don't stick to deadlines no matter the reasons. cause they don't accept excuses if you cant get the job done your fired. and that will make it harder for you to land a art job because then they look at your past employment.


i hope this advise helps you jessica

  killereye
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Now that's a constructive reply instead of the easy thorwing mud thing! You rock!

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  well id hate to see such talent go to waist because she isn't able to handle her popularity as well as she should so as someone whos working hard to reach her level of popularity one good step is
be really good to your fans because you never know what they will end up becoming ~george lopez :)
and another is they may love your work but they may not like you so be good to your fans they make your money and popularity. appreciate them.

  kraton
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Entirely agreed.

  killereye
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  A lesson of humble-ness is sometimes needed...But yep. Circumstances could force people to behave like themselves didn't wanted...Well, action speaks better then words. I like Her style too, so i hope for Her to fix the "crack" She created! Then it'll be all pink-happy-soft-and shiny...

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  thats true after reading i agree but still like my thoughts regardless i wont argue with that but would like to add some things. emotions and many other factors should be included in people asking and not understanding the possible wait no matter how unlikely it may be shit happens get used to it u must prepare for the worst or prepare to understand people when u commission em so u know when shit goes down u might have to either help the person deal with it if u respect em or just wait it out and chat or such.

  killereye
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Lack of communication can be fustrating...also something to avoid, as TheGeckoDemon said earlier. Without propper explanation, nobody has the right to wait for forgiveness...or patience. I'm just expressing my symphaty toward constructive critic over mudthrowing.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  true true.with me i ask for all details i never judge unless that person needs to be judged but thats why most of the staff allow themselves to disown the privacy policy for me alone and relay to me info on residents more so cause i know how to study and shit so ill know regardless if they do tell me or not but i do say respect me tell me who is coming in their problems that may result in thieving and or personalitys and such so i could avoid unecesary conflict and kick em out when there will be so its avoided and they listen cause thye know i have best interests in people.

  hikarishade
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I would also amend, dont accept payment until the beginning sketch is started. That way, if she cant bring herself around to getting started on a commission, she doesn't at that point owe a refund. It will be easier for both her and her commissioners financially.

  genocyber
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You should get ahold of Kokido. He told me you owe him a commission.

  warzol
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  i think it's best if he comes and tells her to her face... not have a friend do it for him or her.

  daemionfox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Note sent.

  galaxyth
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Okay, I'll send you a note now...

Is what I'd LIKE to say, but sadly, my ass is so poor, I can't afford to commission ANYONE.

  ghostbane
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You know for you I could wait as long as possible =3 *hugs* Don't worry about a thing Jess, I know you'll make it up to your commissioners. Things may get hectic on your end, but just know that you still have people looking out for ya and who loves ya!


Much love hon, and best of luck to you getting all this work done ^^

  niny
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I think it is good of you to make a public apology like this, but just remember that actions speak louder than words.


  catboy751
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I never wanted to complain, but I gave you money for a commission over a year ago. I think I still have a note about it

  deikin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  It would be nice to get my prizes for winning the following competitions you hosted:

- Jessica Story, February 2006 - With my entry 'Full Moon's Wish'
- Death Dealers, September 2006 - With my entries 'Larrzian' and 'Jalana'

And/or for the promised image for writing the story about your character Leda, which I wrote for you in March 2007.

Hell, even just putting the link to 'Full Moon's Wish' back on your ShoutBoard on DeviantArt would be nice.


My notes and messages got equally ignored, like DarkDuck64's. It is understandable that a very popular artist would get so much attention and notes/e-mails/comments from fans that it can become overwhelming. I was exceptionally patient waiting for my "prizes" on these competitions, because I understood this and there was no money involved, but now I know that that was moot.

People 'love' and support popular artists, especially ones that draw sexy characters, as a default. They naturally want to become friends with these artists and to be associated with them; like popular kids in school. But to stick up for someone who's been bad to their fans, when truly, you probably don't even know the artist personally at all, is a little blinded.

An apology is a nice start, Jessica, and I've forgiven my lack of prizes, but when money is involved, as others have said, actions speak louder than words.

  slink-t-ferret
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Wait... you won a pic prize from Jessica for a story you submitted for one of her contests in February 2006 and you still haven't ever recieved said prize?

What the hell is wrong with her, that mean's its been almost 4 1/2 _YEARS_ since you submitted the story and won the prize for it..... *Shakes head in dismay*

Delkin, I applaud you for having the patience of not resorting to using insults or swearing in your comment here. Your comment here was written calmly, politely and to the point, I tip my 'hat' to you, Delkin.
If it was me, (if I were you I mean), I'd never be able to forgive her for not giving the prize. I'd be going bat-crazy on her if I had been waiting over 4 years without a prize for a contest that was won.

Over 4 years without recieving a prize you rightfully deserve for winning the contest.... I just can't get over that..... *Shakes head again.*





  slink-t-ferret
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Oops, I misspelt your name, it should be "Deikin", not "Delkin". Sorry. -_-

  deikin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You should hear the range of ways people pronounce it!!

Anyway, yeah, it's been a long time and I forgave her, sorta. Not so much forgiveness, as simply realising I'd never get the pictures and that she'd never reply to any of my mails/messages.

So I relieved her of her obligation and of my respect.

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  ya your lucky you didn't lose any money from it, this is kinda of a luck out kinda for you huh? XD

  shadow3397
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  "its been almost 4 1/2 _YEARS_ "

That's nothing. Years ago I won a little '2000th Visitor to my website' contest (which is how I met said person) and both of us forgot about it as we chatted, grew somewhat close, and then drifted apart as some friendships tend to do as the years go by.

Eight Years Later: I (re)found the post of me winning the contest on the old and now unused forum that we had met on, and spoke to him about it. We found it funny that we both forgot about the prize and it'd been so long.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3048660/ was the result shortly thereafter. More seriously was this one right after it, http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3050077/

Then again, this was between friends. ^^;

  neocloud88h
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Come on man. This isn't the lottery. Getting angry about not getting something for free because you won an online contest is really unnecessary. These contests and prizes are supposed to be for fun if a prize doesn't get distributed, oh well. You should be happy IF you get a prize, and if you don't get one even though one was offered, you really should just assume the person wasn't able to do something for free and eventually forgot about it. I mean it's not exactly a serious competition.

  deikin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I'd like to know what part of my passive comments you found portrays anger? I'd also like to know what part of the "forgave" or "relieved of her obligation" you missed or failed to understand?

But more importantly, I fail to get how you can use "lottery" as any form of relevant analogy?

As I said, I realised, eventually after she ignored nearly all my communication, that I wasn't going to get the artwork and so stopped pursuing it. However, if one promises something as a prize, one should deliver it. If one is not prepared to, or does not have the capacity to, then one should not offer it. I spent a great deal of time and effort on my competition piece, and I felt betrayed in not receiving what I was promised in return.

And then it happened again.

And again.

And all this was during a period where Jessica was very actively producing new work, both for herself and gift-art and commissions.

So let me make something very clear here: Jessica is a great artist, she also comes across as a friendly and nice person in all her journal posts. Everyone wants to like her, and be liked by her. So if her hardships are all genuine and if she cannot produce what she promises, all she needs to do is be more honest with everyone and be better at communicating with them; a quick note/e-mail takes a few minutes. But to have paid for art and then to be abandoned, in not only receiving work but also in replies to communication, is not only unfair, but in the money sense, criminal.

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  i have to agree 100% and it seems so far a lot of people have had this same incident happen to them from other really popular artists, call me a conspiracy theorist if you like but what if Jessica is no different noticed she hasn't commented at all through out this journal accept to one or 2 people and mainly to give an excuse again " my computer broke" then make a quick journal saying happy 4th of july so its not on her front page so her fans don't notice it as well as new fans, you think this is like a money scam really popular artists do cause they know that most of their fans will defend them if anyone got mad at that artist?
and I've noticed the really popular artist address the situation when someone goes public about it?


i dunno what do you think? :P im just waiting to see if she does go through with her obligations or if nothing changes in another year.

  deikin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I doubt it's an intentional scam or any kind of "conspiracy". I really do think Jessica simply gets desperately overwhelmed by both her popularity and situations in her life.

From my understanding of Jessica's characteristics, I'd say she loves the -idea- of supporting herself by drawing, and making all of her fans happy, but she completely lacks the capacity to do so (in whatever form/s that capacity takes). And so she sweeps everything under a rug and tries to forget about it, while still wanting to draw.

And yes, I think there's a high possibility the same thing has happened with this journal.

But 'spite' is childish. So I give her the benefit of the doubt and hope she really is learning something from this and will obey her apology and promise. We'll see...

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  ya, hopefully she comes through.
though id love to draw for money which is why i take it seriously i've never missed a deadline cause well...i really need the money and exposure, im an animation major :P

  battle-jesus
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  "Jessica is no different noticed she hasn't commented at all through out this journal accept to one or 2 people and mainly to give an excuse again " my computer broke" then make a quick journal saying happy 4th of july so its not on her front page"

Maybe she didn't comment because she is talking to them via notes?
"NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames" quoth her.

Maybe she pushed it off the front page because she got tired of people commenting whom she didn't owe things to?
"Please comment only if I owe you something!. " quoth her.
Maybe she didn't push it off.
Maybe the 4th of July journal was just a 4th of July journal.

She did one for April Fools that was just "Everyone have a nice April Fools? :D "

No mean to white knight or anything, just half the comments on here kinda piss me off a bit.
If you want to reply, note me and don't clog this journal with drama any more than it already is.

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  ever thought why so many of her own watchers are talking this way? think about that before coming in like a white knight, im not attacking you just letting you know the situation with most of us. most of us has had our personal experiences with her and not very good according to others who had the same as me.
she may seem like a nice girl but past experiences say other wise but we are giving her a chance to see if she does change her attitude towards her fans.

  milkjunkie
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Yeah, man. This is what I hate about this whole situation.

I did a trade with Jessica. He came to me, on MSN, complimented a story I wrote for him for a contest, and then asked me for two more. "If you do it, I'll give you three full coloured CG pieces in return," he said.

So I did it. I put months of effort into two more stories to add to the one I'd already written. JE loved them, a lot, then at the VERY end, suddenly hated them over one little thing he could pick out. Then, after promising me he'd still draw what he promised, he disappeared and ignored all my attempts at communication. (I say "he" because, I'm sorry, but JE is really a man.)

Now JE comes out and offers things in return, and I've been hearing that the commissioners are starting to get what they paid for. Now, JE did NOT limit this to just commissions. He said if he owed anyone ANYTHING, to note him. So I did. He's read it, the outbox says he has, and you know what? No response. Nothing. Completely ignored it. And why? Because it's not a commission. Money wasn't involved.

But you know what? Skipping out on a trade is the same as skipping out on a commission. You know why? It's a barter. I do something for you, you do something for me. To skip out on a barter agreement is like not giving someone what they payed for. No, maybe I didn't bay for it using dollar bills, but I paid for what I wanted with my own creativity, and effort, which in the end takes a lot more energy than just throwing money at someone.

So, yeah. That guy that commented before basically said, "So what? It's not money, so why does it matter that she didn't give you what you wanted?" And I have to say, if he thinks like that - thinks that all our effort to give Jessica something he wanted, and get nothing in return is not a big deal - then I have to say... that guy's an idiot.

  deikin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I agree. But I'm also a nice and patient guy, so I would give "Jessica" the benefit of the doubt here.

Whatever or whoever Jessica is, the main entity that we're all here for is the artist behind the pictures we all love. This scandal may have devastated the persona, but not the art. Understandably, from all of these recent events, Jessica is likely even more swamped with notes and mails than usual. Likely, a lot of them are simply insults and degradations or well-wishers and support.

We have already accepted that Jessica is at great fault, but she/he may be truly trying to revive and resolve things. Jessica mentioned 60 days within her journal, so I think it fair to give it that amount of time to allow Jessica to both sort through notes and to produce the commissions. Jessica may be simply approaching them in received-order and not have got to yours yet.

You're frustrated, understandably, as am I, but I think Jessica should be given the chance to repair and to honour her promise before one assumes she will not.



And yes, Neocloud's comment was both ridiculous and stupid.

  acorn
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  How is it not okay to expect to recieve a prize for hard work and effort when it's been offered?

White knights are unnecessary, all you wanna do is absolve her of what she's done and say 'it's okay, she had PRRROOOOOBLEMS'.


Alot of people put alot of hard work and effort into contest entries, of course they should be entitled to it. It isn't necessarily free, considering the time and effort put into the work.

  carlito
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I also won one of those same contests, put a lot of work and time into the entry only to get nothing but a brief recognition in a journal. I also gave up on ever seeing anything from it. Priorities are what they are, that's all is boils down to. TBH I'm not exactly expecting an incoming flood of art.

  angelonight
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Wow, this sounds like quite the mess Dear.
I hope this all works out for you.

  tenky
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I've been waiting for my comission since July 2008, it's officially been two years.

It was for a special you held when you had your first computer crash, 60$ for two characters.

I could use the money back, or the drawing, but like pretty much everyone, I've given up on it. I could get all those notes again if you need proof and my paypal receipt.

  psyrix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  That was the exact same offer I paid for. Still nothing. Hell I even sent $70 instead of the $60 because I always enjoyed her art so much and felt bad about the loss of her computer. What a sap I was. Guess you live and learn the hard way.

  conn
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  We'd discussed getting something but hadn't sent the payment though with what seems like a large backlog I don't mind waiting till its cleared up some ;)

  caliosidhe
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I personally think you're pretty awesome for stepping up for this.

I wish you luck in cleaning out your backlog. Its easy to feel overwhelmed and not know where to start... Just pick a piece and work on it, then pick another and you'll be done in no time.

*hughugs*

  dark667
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Seeing all this about JE has discouraged me from ever wanting to commission, which is a shame cause I always wanted to. The price is kinda high and the fact that it seems I would have to play tag in order for it to get done is not something I want to do for a commission =/

  kojirov
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  It takes a lot of courage to step up and admit your wrongs, and even more to correct them, but its good to see you have it.

  dizzy-cat
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I do suggest making a list in a journal of what you owe and who to, that way you can update when you reach certain stages and have a live reference list that they themselves can see.

It also helps you organise the list and people will be able to relate to the length of time theyll be waiting by seeing whats going on in the list~

Eg:

Comissionernamehere - (what it is you have to do for them)Two character full colour - Inking(stage you're at)

It doesnt matter if you have 200 people on that list, everyone already knows you're behind, its not going to add to any shame.

It WILL show that you're doing things to organise yourself :o

  videogame30
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I have sent my note. :) I understand that things happen. As what has been said, know you have a lot of people who care and support you. :) I wish you the best of luck

  kraton
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Okay, I was commenting on a few people's comments but seeing as there's so many, I think I'll just leave my thoughts at the bottom here.


First off, we're all human, we all make mistakes, we all have troubles in our lives, so it's perfectly understandable that sometimes you just don't have time to even attempt to work on art.
I'm a fellow artist, and though my skill is pretty decent I'd say, if you look at my page you'll see I only have two submissions. Now why would that be?

Simple. I don't have time to really do much art, and I know it.

What I suggest you do to take all the stress of art off your shoulders, Jess, is that you start by paying everyone who has been waiting months and months for a commission back what they payed you. Once you have no one waiting on you for art, then you can take your time working on them. You should primarily stop taking commissions until ALL that you have on your plate is cleaned off. In other words, do what you have already to do, get it all done, and then start taking commissions again. No matter how many times you apologize, words mean nothing if you don't have the heart to pull through with your promises.

I know, you're trying, and the buildup of stress can make it hard to get anything done. Much like unpaid credit card bills, they stack up, and the overdue taxes on those bills add to each other every month that there is any unpaid. Not everyone has the strength to always be working on something and ignore the stress. There will always be a time that any artist just can't handle the stress and it builds up like credit card dept. But while there isn't much you can do with all this stress holding you back, there IS something you can do to stop the stress from getting any bigger.

The only reason those who commission you are having to chase you around is because in essence, you owe them money, and our world these days, money is hard to come by, so chances are they need the money JUST as much as you do, maybe more. Now I'm not claiming to know your life or how hard it is, but you don't know their lives either. You'd be surprised how easily you can take how hard your life is and multiply it by factors of 10 and find someone else who's life is at least that bad. "It can always get worse."


As I said above, I'm an artist too. I have no job, no income, and desperately need an income too. Most of us do. But you know as well as I do that you can't place your own needs above others. You can't open commissions seeking money, promising art in return, and then not give anything in return. That's theft, no matter how you look at it. If you want to fix things, NOW's the time to start. Don't just say in a journal "I want to fix things", because we all know what comes after that. "...but I can't."

Honestly, no matter how hard your life gets, if you're capable of being here to post a journal, then you're not so much in the hole that you 'can't' start changing things. My suggestion is start by paying those you owe back what they payed. Then stop taking commissions. Make a journal so everyone can see that you're not taking commissions for a while. Then include in that journal ALL the commissions for people you've got on your plate. Then start doing them in whatever order you please, but preferably chronological order of when you promised to work on them. Don't take ANY commissions until your stress is all gone. If you don't have time to finish a simple sketch (uncoloured/unfinished, just the lineart) within a week, then you DON'T have time to be taking commissions. If you want to promise people you'll do art for them just because you WANT to, then do what I do; do giftart. If it's free, they'll understand if you don't have time. I myself have 10-11 giftart pieces I have to do for someone that I promised them. I have no deadline, I haven't worked on it in at least 3 months, and he knows I haven't made time for art. He doesn't care. He's just happy I'm doing art for him. And that removes ALL the stress that would accompany taking so long to do art.


I hope you read this whole thing and got something out of it. While I may not have ever commissioned you for art, being an artist too I know how stressful self-deadlines can be. So please, for your sake, take into considering what I suggested. Stop taking in commissions for now and do what you've already set out to do. Then, when you have free time and don't have anything to do, when you have the free time to be able to complete 1 sketch per week, THEN start taking commissions again. It'll make you and everyone else who loves your art a lot happier.


~ Kraton

  joedude97
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  That's a little better, Kraton. I just wonder what JE does for a living. I totally relate to not having time to work on stuff, because I desperately want to, but I've got higher priorities. From now on, commish artists, do what the pros do, and collect payment after each stage of the drawing, with maybe an initial fee for taking the assignment. It will prevent you from taking on more than you can handle.

Keep in mind, JE probably CAN'T pay back the commissioners, because the money is already spent. I think if I had commissioned someone, I would be content enough with pics of JE on DA anyway. :)

  kraton
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  lol I know that she prolly can't pay it back. what I prolly shoulda put in there was "And if you can't pay it back, more reason not to take on more commissions." or something. And if she has a job and could save up to pay it all back, that'd be good too. But the way the economy is lately I somehow doubt she has a job. :(

  joedude97
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I looked back through her journal entries, and I found some reasonable excuses (not all of them though). 2 years ago, everything was peachy. Then she fell down a flight of stairs and hurt her shoulder. Apparently a customer at a restaurant accused her of a physical confrontation or some kind of argument that got her fired from her waitress job and made her unable to get further work waitressing. About a year ago, she had severe dental problems, but never said whether she got the problems fixed. Around the same time, a hacker got into her bank account and stole $500 or more, and she later mentions $300 being stolen (I didn't see if it got resolved). Recently, she reported being severely ill and confined to bed.

There could be more stuff going on that we don't know about, like a chronic illness, unemployment (like Kraton said), or 12 hour working days. I'm not familiar with Jessica's family or friends either, but there could be some friction or something going on there.

I'm not going to tell the commisioners not to be mad, but keep in mind that once the drawings are finished, they might be better than if they had been finished two years ago.

  kraton
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Like I said. :P I is Kraton. Kraton likes to talk about himself in the third person. :P

ok I'm done XD

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  i have to agree on that all very good suggestions

  kraton
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  And it's not like I'm suggestion she stop taking commissions entirely either (some people apparently thought that's what I was saying >.>), just that she slow down with the new, deal with the old, and clear her art schedule to make room for the new, ya know? I'm both an artist and a person with no current income and suffering with money issues cause of it, and even I can tell that doing that wouldn't be such a bad idea. If it keeps her clients happy and keeps them from running away, never to commission her again, then it's a very reasonable idea. If she loses all of her fans because of her poor priorities when it comes to her art, then she'll lose all the income she has (unless she gets a job again).

  azadeth
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  This is good (and wise) of you to address.

  animefreak40k
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You do owe me art via DeviantArt that I have been waiting on for about 2 years now...which I reminded you about a couple of months ago.

I won't pretend to think that I was waiting longer than DarkDuck64, because I likely haven't...there is also the fact that I have not been poking and prodding like he has either.

...that being said... yes, you owe me art. Yes, I still want it. Yes, I will be dropping you a note both via FA and DA about this.



  mckaelakaiyou
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Well, I'm not exactly the one who commissioned you, but I'm the one who has waited for a commission by you. I'm sure you know who I am and who it is you owe, but I'll note you anyhow. I'm glad you'll be trying to make things better.

  volpethrope
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Reading through these comments, it seems your biggest issue was accepting way too many commissions at once. Real life happens - your computer has been proven to not be invincible, you had housework done, and accidents can happen - not to mention the fact that we all procrastinate, as you yourself said you did.

I think this is one huge case of too many commissions + real life. You really should make a commission list of like, five people, tops, as was suggested by TheGeckoDemon above. Don't just keep accepting stuff until you literally cant keep track of them anymore. Only do what you can, when you can. I would also suggest a quick-refund policy, where if you're like a month overdue, just refund the money, but tell them to keep the commission info and idea, and that you'll contact them when you have the time to properly devote to it. Don't keep asking for extensions and stressing yourself out over it, that's both bad business, and bad for your health. Organize your commission policies and limits, don't let them build up. You need to make a system for yourself to follow to keep all this under control so this can't happen again, even a little.

Hope everything turns out for the better and you resolve this with your commissioners. Good luck.

  leonkatlovre
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  wow... just.... wow...

be honest this is something I really wouldn't expect from such artist >_<

I just saw all the things that happened around commissions... I'm... impressed... well, is good to see you want to make up for this...

  serantis
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Well i honestly gave up on the one i had payed you for in 08 as a gift for a friend, She had (Last i spoke to her) gottan intouch with you on Da since you werent responding to my notes here on Fa. Altho i do know the note system sucked back then, i basically wrote the 115$ off honestly but my friend wanted her B day present so i gave control to her.

And im not really mad as i stated in most the notes i sent, Life sucks at times and i can understand since i have been there myself.
And i have all our notes somewhere if you want, figured i might need them.

  creedofheresy
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Yyyeah you made the mistake almost every artist makes at one point or another; they take on a busload of commissions without thinking that life does not in any circumstance ever intend to let shit work as you want it to. XD I've made that mistake, more than once, too. You might want to extend the "I'll have it done" deadline to 120 days; it looks there is a LOT of people you were unable to do the work for.

As for me, I commissioned you roughly a year and a half ago. Unfortunately, I don't have my own computer in my possession and I had a list of various commission ideas and orders for various people on it, so I don't know what the subject of it was.

Knowing my one-track mind, it was probably one of my characters screwing Jessica or something, I dunno, lol. I do know I paid only half up front...just in case life happened. XD So I will still owe you the other half on completion, think that was somewhere around $30 or $40 on completion. I'll hit ya up when I get my computer back in my possession, might be a couple weeks.

  kitoth
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Now I'm not an artist, but I can understand somewhat on both sides of the issue at hand. I have a few artist friends who took commissions be it pay when they were done, half and half or up front and it took a while for it to get done because of Rl issues be it one thing or a combination of things. One of my friends for example recently came back last week after being away for 6+ month due to having to go into the job corp, while another ha both their Pc die on them and they lost the net unable to even let anyone know.

If I did have enough money to Commission JE I would but I don't and I'd rather her first catch up on things first.

Now as far as going public on anyone most artists. Some don't even bother to send notes out to the artists and decide it's better to share it with everyone. Now I of course only read bits and pieces of the whole DD64 commission thing, why because to be blunt. It has nothing to do with me. Warnings of an artist are fine but it really should only go so far. I mean no offense by this but if you resort to airing out private materials with everyone it can be not just negative to the artist who in this case I 100% believe is truly sorry and wants to make things right, but you make yourself look bad in the eyes of other artists.
For instance some artists might see it as if i add them to a slot and don't get to them by certain time frame will they go public on me and in fact reject the person's commission request. Fa has enough drama on it as is with people who don't draw, don't write, don't make music criticizing someone who does one of those things for reasons from they just do not like the style or what they do.

Many I am sure know someone whether someone they know\knew closely or through someone about an Fa user on here leaving FA and other sites do to such stupid things.

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  well i can understand making it public is overdoing it....if the commission was late by a few weeks but a couple of years? that's when the artist might deserve this because they are screwing many commissioners over, so i don't believe making it public is overdoing it unless the artist kept making excuses for over a year about the commission because no one should have to wait that long for a drawing, because i see there are many many many complaints with similar time taken for commissions. even with the drama going on in her life she was able to post art that was her own work and not commissions, not to mention her nude modeling account which she recently updates.

  revamp
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  she has a nude modeling account?

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ <---

  slatzg
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Apparently, that's not even her.

http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com.....rnal/33408592/

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  lol oh i know i had just found that out today XD lol which is why im revealing my face for the first time in the art community i dont want my watchers to think im the same thing and im older now persuing a professional art career my fans should know who i am as well.

  kitoth
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I agree but thing with me is I don't know both sides even with what is known because for one there is info that you just cannot post or you can easily get hacked and so on. plus its none of my business.

What I don't care for is no matter who you are artist or commissioner or just someone following such journals is what I see and hear about a lot. Which is they don't contact the person they don't post anything themselves and have a 3rd party post stuff. or if one of the two does post you don't get all the facts causing people to jump to their side which may not even be the right side. In short I'd prefer to have such incidents remain as private as possible and maybe instead of spreading around something go to a moderator I mean I doubt Neer or other mods want either an artist who is paid and not producing the materials or a commissioner who is not paying on the site. but that is my view on it.

Its bad enough that there are people on these sites that don't draw or anything and decide to publicly criticize an artist on their work, the content of the work or the style they use and they are protected because noting about that sort of harassment is on the TOS section.

  gemini
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Just sent you a note, Jess.

And as for anyone ripping into her about this, lay off. Its been nearly two years since I commissioned her, and I've been in touch with her a few times since that along with seeing her journals concerning her personal life such as the hacking incident, and I honestly believe she's truly sorry about letting this happen.

I've waited patiently for this long, and another up-to sixty days isn't going to kill me or anyone else here either.

  samoyedsin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I've read every single post in this journal, and it kind of amuses me how many people are blindly patting her on the back. It's pretty obvious she doesn't deal with constructive criticism or helpful suggestions. Just look how many people she's practically taken money and ran from. The proof is in the pudding, folks. It's not just a couple isolated incidents.

It's especially hilarious that JE has only made one response in the whole journal, and it was just another weak excuse. And now she's conveniently bumped this journal off her main page with a pointless "herp-a-derp happy 4th of July ya'll!" thread.

I reiterate: If you can't keep up with your workload, then A) you have no right asking for money in advance, especially when you KNOW you won't be able to pay it back if they want a refund, and B) you really have no one to blame but yourself for biting off more than you can chew.

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  ya im noticing that stuff too.
im assuming her being sexy and a sexy artist type is whats makin all her fans go " aww its ok jessica we forgive you 3 " her fans are in love XD

  revamp
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I concur.


Bottom line is that she fucked up, but looking through all these posts, it's definitely well known that she's screwed over people from 4 years ago and more, and been giving up the same excuses too. I really hope people wake up, otherwise this will continue.


Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me thrice, consider gullibility.


  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  ever consider she trying to cope with shit and thats a way she could try like ive done so and moved on from things while still dealing with em myself so shouldnt she be allowed too like stop bashing and think maybe some people know better or some people have got some problems and ur just being an inconsiderate ass maybe u know better do i know no but only one way to find out.

  slatzg
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you when you say "emotions must be taken into account". The reason why: she's running a business. Emotions have nothing to do with business. If I commission an artist to draw a nude female centaur (for example), I have a contract with said artist, and I have an expectation (if not a blatant understanding) that the commission will be done in a timely manner (a specified finish date. I understand that "life happens", but as a consumer, I can't be bothered with your (the business) problems. I just want the art I paid for. If I don't get my art in a timely manner (by the specified date), then you're in breach of contract, and I'm going to expect a compensation in the form of a refund, or free art. Since, at that point, I have no reason to expect art, I'll be expecting a refund.

That being said, I agree with TheGeckoDemon and Kraton's suggestions.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  ok given the contract but u must show the artist respect when commisisoning em as well right therefore if they have times they can u must also understand that as well which is ur part not theres u still want then to do it u go under their acceptance rules urs are extra for ur wants only not the. well kinda not abe to finish the rest due to a massive brain fart after getting PM'ed

  thegeckodemon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  that's the thing, everyone who commissioned her did show her respect, i noticed everyone who had a commission from her all asked in a polite manner for at least an update but like everyone of them has said she ignores their notes and messages, but at the same time still able to upload new art for herself and gift arts, making a nude modeling account, and then making little excuses for so many months and even over years most people waited over a year and still hasn't gotten their commission. i think that right there is when you can stop showing an artist respect because they didn't show you any respect by giving a refund and expecting more deadlines and missing every one of them repeatably.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  meh thats why i dont complain if they upload more art they can if they feel they dont want to finish they should yes tell the person refund em and such because of such idk entirly whats going on which is why im here trying to figure that out.

  milkjunkie
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Oh, yeah, you have no idea how angry it makes me when I commission someone, and I see two or three months of them uploading their own personal art rather than getting to their commissions and getting them out of the way.

I'm looking at YOU, nemesisprime909  nemesisprime909 >.>

But yeah. I did a trade with Jessica, and all was well until I gave her the last of three stories I wrote. Then she hated the story, and said she'd never do anything with me again. She said she'd still draw the three full-colour pictures she promised me... But never did. It was likely just a lure.

I had her labeled as pure internet evil from that point on. It may take a miracle, but I hope she cleans that up.

  moondarter
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You owe me two commissions, which I've discussed with you on a number of occasions. Note me (same username) on dA.

  sabbathsilverclaw
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You don't owe me anything, but, I think I owe you something. It's been so long, I've forgotten. If I don't, cool. If I do, I am sorry and please let me know what it was so I can get to work on it immediately.

  dracosblackwing
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I'm going to make a suggestion to you, though you owe me no art, and I don't know the people you do owe art to.

Take your time.

When I say this, I don't mean to go back to procrastinating or ignoring the commissions you've taken on. I mean literally take your time getting them done, and try to get into the mood to draw while you do, rather than forcing yourself to speed through them because they're late. This will help you to give the people who commissioned you the level of art they expect and hope for from you, and will help you feel less pressure, so you actually complete all the work you have to do, and can satisfy all your commissioners.

Take it from someone who has been waiting 20 years for a single picture from an artist who can't settle himself down to do the work... pressuring yourself into doing it won't help.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  ok thats were i say 20 years thats way to long id have given up on that one maybe that would all be true if it was 5 max years but 20 thats just fucked up. sorry but thats where i cross the line.

  dracosblackwing
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Oh, I'm no longer expecting anything from that... neither the picture nor the money I paid up front for it. But I keep in touch, and hope that maybe one day the artist will get bored and draw something for me to make up for taking so long.

  dracosblackwing
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  My main point was for her to take her time about the work, and not let it weigh too heavily on her mind, so she gets things done without driving herself crazy. I think that in part was what forced the person I commissioned to more or less abandon my commission, despite all the time they had to complete it.


  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  ahh that would do that. well i hope u do get what u asked for. it sucks yes but its still something u payed for so u deserve that much.

  lackluster
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Out of interest, who are you referring to?

  dracosblackwing
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I would have named him if I wanted to spread that around, but I don't want to get into smearing their name.

  the-pale-tailed-fox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  i say ur a good person u have ur problems as does any other person ur personality and emotions must be taken into account that if shit goes down or happens that we must understand it may be difficult for u to cope with it for while just like i have the abilitys to be fast at many things including getting over lots of emotions and moving forward with certain things just chill i still understand i may not have gotten anything off ya but id still like to point out this system i have procured on my beliefs.

  dub-c
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I pretty much wrote my commission off but I'm truly disappointed and appalled that so many others have fallen to the same fate as me. I will note about my commission but to be honest I'm still not expecting it. I appreciate the apology. I just hope you can prove me wrong and make right to ALL of these individuals.

  milkjunkie
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Well, Jess, I sent you a note about that little trade we did years ago. The details are there, so I'll spare anyone needing to know exactly what that was all about. I'm glad you're actually trying to catch up... Or, well, it's either that or you're just making it look that way.

I had gotten a very bad impression from you. Please, change that outlook.

  milkjunkie
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Well, I haven't heard back from you at all, and it seems no one else had either.

Thank you for the meaningless apologies and the empty promises!

  lackluster
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Sounds like you need to do some prioritising between offline and online, Jess. At least you're getting on top of the problem, that's commendable.

  makotomizuhara
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I still sent note back on deviantart about that art about fayla and layen with one of your character.

  timinithis
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I have been trying to reach you, but have not received any replies. I am stull waiting for the commissions i paid for while i was deployed.

you have the description for the welcome home piece, and i have been waiting for a response on the others.

  kialatiagra
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  i think i commished you a pin art of my tigress? i cant remember what she is doing....i think its nude and something with a bow

  miko-chan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You owe me two pictures as well..

  bulldogcountry
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  You owe me a commission from over a year ago. :(



  blackidna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Well, no shit.
Kudos for the apology and the attempt to fix the mess, though.

  everlaststar
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Has anyone yet to recieve their commissions out of curosity? The best intentions but I have yet to see any update on the update and I have friends still waiting...

  heymrdj
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I'm loving all the ass-patting and forgiveness coming from people who never commissioned JE in the first place.

Also, fuck personal issues. If you accept money for commissions, you either do the commission, or you refund the money. If you can't draw peoples' commissions due to a broken computer or personal issues, you give the money back because you can't provide the service you were being paid to provide.

Also, an admin on FA has already confirmed that the IP address for this account and :userkaceywyandotte: are the same, meaning the 'student' who accepts payments on your behalf is just a sockpuppet. Also, the paypal account is a shuffle account that accepts commission payments then immediately transfers them to a different paypal account. And finally, the IP shows that you live nowhere close to where you claim to live.

Can't wait for your next journal! Love your work!!

  heymrdj
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  That is, KaceyWyandotte  KaceyWyandotte .

  psyrix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I had a commission that was paid for just over two years ago. After numerous requests, immense patience and with what is going on with the Deviant page, I wouldn't expect to get my commission nor should anyone else.

  link1416
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  A word of warning to everyone who commissions here or on DA; do not let the commission take more than 45 days to be completed. After 45 days, you can no longer file a complaint with Paypal and resolve your payment through the Resolution Center. Before that time expires, use the center to file an official complaint through Paypal, where you notify the person you are paying and either work things out with the individual, or file your claim to Paypal where they will resolve it for you.

Using the Paypal Resolution Center is not "over-reacting and getting the person in trouble", it's a way to settle disputes one-on-one with the individual, or if things get out of hand, getting your money back through the help of Paypal if the seller is unwilling.

  acorn
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  time to come clean bro

  tderek99
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Oh my god, are people actually DEFENDING him?!

  elidirkx
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Yes. Just give them some time until they're suckered into a commission.

  tderek99
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Still I love what some of these people come up with. While I have delayed or or two commissions because of real problems the longest Ive taken on anything was 4-6 months and that was on a ten paged comic. ''Emotional Distress'' has no place with someones business. and put simply if you are distressed THIS OFTEN and for over two years then you shouldn't be
a)Open for commissions
b)Taking payment before work is completed.

  sebastion23
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  I think I just read like, every single comment on this entire page. My eyes hurt, and I want to laugh and cry at the same time: Laugh because there's a bunch of blindly ignorant fools out there who A- Still think JE is a girl and B- Are patting him on the back and giving him nice fluffy hugs because they feel -so- bad for him.

I'm going to pull the gloves off for a minute and say some things that will probably get the fanboys' mouths foaming up like a rabid pit bull.

First off, people need to fucking realize that when you, as an artist, offer your services up for commission, it is no longer a matter of personal priorities. You are telling people "Yes, I'm willing to work for you, for a price. And I will do my utmost to make sure you get your money's worth in a timely and professional fashion." If you're going to charge people professional prices (I'm talking commission prices at least over $50 or more here; I realize that prices will be relative) then you'd best treat those people who give you money with equal professionalism. It's not about respect. It's not about whether or not you "like" the artist, it's the fact that you have -paid- actual money to this artist for a service that -they- are offering.

Now, I'm a pretty understanding guy. I know that people get shit that comes up in their life that they absolutely have to deal with. But when you keep feeding someone the same greasy bullshit over and over for over a year or more, I think the person who's commissioned you has a fucking right to get a -little- upset that they haven't been given what they paid for. I'm not saying fly off the handle. And from all accounts here, those people still waiting on commissions/trades/prizes from JE for at least a year have been extremely patient, understanding, forgiving and professional, and JE here has shown complete disregard for any of that.

All I see here is some scam artist faking to be a hot chick to get a blind fanbase, offering up exorbitantly-priced commissions of the same rehashed artwork and asking for the full price, up front and in advance....and then dancing around the bush and avoiding the commissioners time and time again for over a year before these people finally just either give up or threaten to go public with the shenanigans.

All I see here is another weak, half-assed attempt by JE to curry favor from his fanbase and appease the people who've been waiting a long time to get something from him that they paid for. We'll see what happens in a couple of more weeks. If people who've been waiting on things start reporting they've been getting what they paid for (And I'm not going to accept some half-assed sketch of something completely unrelated to what the commissioner asked for, unless a sketch -is- what they asked for), then I just might start believing that JE's turning a new leaf.

But so far from what I've read in the comments, I see a whole lot of "I'm still waiting on the commission I paid for from you over a year ago." and "I haven't even received a reply yet." after two weeks have passed.

As for JE claiming to be something he's not..oh well. Big deal. It's the internet. Everyone knows that boobs sell and the best way to promote your shit on the internet is to attach a pair of tits and a nice booty to it to get the commissions rolling in.

However, what I don't agree with here is the fact that JE seems to have paid for pictures from a camgirl over the course of a couple of years and started using them as bait for the fantards, like dangling the carrot in front of the horse. The camgirl in question has already stated that yes, she received money from "Jessica" to take some pictures holding up sketches of his artwork, but she never gave permission for him to impersonate her. And yet JE claimed in his DA journal that this camgirl was a "friend" of his and they came up with the idea of him impersonating her together? I don't know any honest girl in her right, sane mind who would want some jackass she'd never met posing as her over the internet.

Now personally, I've never commissioned JE for any piece of artwork. But I'm by no means going to defend an admitted and shameless scam artist who's been basically stealing money from honest people since at least 2005/2006. I'm also never going to give "Jessica" a cent of my money for a goddamn thing ever in my lifetime. Am I doing this because I'm jumping on the bandwagon and bashing on JE because all the cool kids are doing it? Fuck no. I'm doing it because I've seen too much evidence both from people who've commissioned JE and from JE himself that he honestly doesn't seem to give a shit about your commission request once he's got your money.

And that's probably about all I have to say about that. I don't believe a word of this so-called "apology" because it just seems to me to be another attempt by JE to get the heat off his back.

..And look, I did it all without even pulling the race card. It doesn't matter who you are..what race, what creed, what nationality, what religion: A scammer is a fucking scammer, plain and simple.



  elidirkx
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  For such are false apostles. Deceitful workers whom lie and transform themselves to look like real apostles of Christ. II Corinthians, Chapter 11, Verse 13.

The worst part is many people are still deceived by this one.
The people 'whining' for their commissions seem to be commonly mistaken for whiners on dA, and the white knights try to defend this one, often concocting theories that have nothing to do with fact at all.

Hellboy needs to kick in.

  battle-jesus
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Say something that hasn't already been said before, instead of recycling the same arguments into a bigger post.

  sift
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  tl;dr



just kidding that was fucking great. Thank you

  ramulator
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 years ago

  Pointlessly posting here