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[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/546166/fa/p.....-2.0.png[/img]For those of you disgruntled and frustrated, as a reminder, this is a stepping stone for us to build towards our new UI which we are working towards right now.
It's coming, and a shitload of improvements (some big, some small) are on their way.
So take a deep breath. Breathe in, breathe out. Just not too hard (especially if you have asthma).
For example, today we added in Session Management (lets you be logged into multiple devices at once, which is part of FA Mobile). We upgraded to a server from 32GB of RAM to 64, from a quad-core system to an octo-core box (with almost 4X the total CPU power) and a LOT of other little things that are under the hood that go towards makeing FA the single best furry site there is.
Little steps towards a big goal.
Sometimes those steps aren't fun between A and B.
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Really though, you can'r die by holding your breath. You pass out first and start breathing normally.
So there is no "exact" really, seems fair game to me.
or sexual aids
That's not to say it's a bad thing, it's just a phase I'm personally a little tired of.
However, from this preview, everything certainly seems straight forward so it's not that bad of a change; I'll just have to adapt to the "style" of it all.
I think I should state that I'm not complaining, but more so just offering input.
So, while yeah, I admit I was kinda groaning about the change here(and that really all is was, a 'oi.. change. :(' remark), I'm very thankful it's not as convoluted and impossible to use as the site I mentioned above. ;)
"School computers make you hate deviantart.com" XD
It's not like people as a whole are getting dumber, it's just that fools and their money are easily parted, and businesses are first and foremost about making money--catering to hipsters and stupid people is more profitable, and therefore more popular right now. For a site like FA, this isn't the case, but it's immensely frustrating to see them following these design trends also, just because everyone else is doing it.
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Overall, the desire to be streamlined and compact has really taken a hard hit on simple folks like myself, where as I prefer to have everything laid out in front me. That's not to say I'm butthurt by the new scheme, I'm just going to get have to become accustomed to it.
I've modded my own router to be IPv6 ready about 2 months ago when I heard about IPv4 exhaustion and Microsoft knew it was coming back in 2000.im ready for the shit man. My future in CIT is gonna sure as hell fuckin' secured coz these peope are gonna come up and look at me like it's my damn fault that they cant get to their porn anymore or on to facebook or youtube. But it's ok, coz it'll be the easiest 50 bucks i'll ever make. Maybe I can get into un-bricking routers for about 40 or so.
It'll be interesting how Steve Jobs is gonna respond to the ipv4 and 6 crisis, if it's anything like the fuckin maxipad (iPad) or the iPhone 4 shit, i am going to laugh my ass off.
I'm not dissing Apple all that much, they do make some decent computers, it's the stupid shit they do that pisses me off. Oh, i found this fucking hilarious about the iPhone, had a friend over to borrow the net for a bit and I was running a sniffer to see why my firewall was being so twitchy, a few seconds of running the program I see my friends ENTIRE pone contact list shoot across the screen. when he made a call. Yeah...i think some of these iPhones are a little TOO chatty for my liking. As for the firewall thing, it turns out the program that controls my firewall had a memory leak.
"Apple cant be hacked!" *few hours later* "Oh shit Steve we got hacked!" Fuckin lol, no matter how secure you think you are, you're not. First thing I learned when I was a kid.
I joke of course =3
"Ok were gonna retire XP in 2 months."
*2 months later* "
"Well be nice and give ya 3 months."
*3 months later*
"Ok ok just a bit longer but you really need to upgrade"
*6 months later*
"THATS IT XP IS DEAD! UPGRADE OR GTFO!!"
Nah, I kid (Mostly) Microsoft has been pretty good about their timing
only this should take less time, I imagine
So thats what you meant by growing pains. and stepping stone!
Nah, just kiddin :B
Will it be defaulted the dark colors, or have the FA "white" and "dark" colors like now? Or more colors?
I just shit bricks.
http://gamma.furaffinity.net/
We can complain right back at 'em.
:)
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AWESOME LAYOUT!!!!
Looks like DA
=/
Also, it's worrying me because I abhor DA's layout.
I adore how simple FA has been.
I should have been more specific.
It just appears to be moving towards maybe a more flash-java-etc type layout like DA uses, which tends to lead to loading problems for me when I even just look at DA.
2) If you're having issues with all of this, you need to maintain your computer a lot better.
Even my internet speeds are excellent.
I'm not sure why it messes up.
As for the octocores and the 64gb of ram? Nice score. I've been able to test drive a laptop with a 8-core CP i cant remember if it was from Intel or AMD (i prefer AMD anyway) and tried out Feature Cam with it. Those cpu's are a fuckin beast!
so first you compliment dA, then you say dA sucks?
That was my point.
Why no watching and watched by on the front page?
Do we really need a separate tab for "character info"? Looks like both user info and character info don't have much room when put into that small a space, as well. But in general, I kinda like the ambiguity of having the info be about the character or the user or both... currently, it can be specified. And, um, where's species?
Will the ad really be at the bottom? And if so, why did it get moved to the top in the interim?
I agree a "species" field is needed as well, as is "gender." I presume we can suggest additional fields ("sexuality" for the user comes to mind) and have them added later on.
Not perfect but it does look great.
You really enjoy teasing people don't you?
Also, I notice a lack of those folder/group things mentioned back in, what, January?
Also, fuck win for Doctor Horrible.
but...please dont be another deviantart...that shit makes NO sense...
only a month? if your not joking comment...seriously...like..-faints-
ALL OVER THE WORLD, WE JUST WANNA FAP!
Seriously, I can't summarize this any better. New UI, GET!
If so, I don't really like that option. I like seeing the whole piece in a thumbnail. Just let the users decide if they want to make a thumbnail for their art or not.
God, I was getting annoyed with the layout hate journals. Logged back in and literally half my journal backlog was layout QQ. >_<
Just sayin', mind you. I'll reserve my terrible judgment when the new UI comes out.
i'd also just like to say a bit THANKYOU!! for all the work you and the team are putting into FA ^^
one question though, i'm not quite understanding that new FA icon very much... i can see a "f" and an "a" but i dont understand the part to the right of the "a"
Also, while that new UI looks nice, imho it strikes me as generic looking and a bit over-complicated. But I always preferred things clean and simple.
Just realized this journal has an imbedded image.
H4X!!!1
looks like it'll have a similar feel to DA, which will be interesting to see
And you say this will be done at approximately late August/September? Sweet!! Something interesting to look forward to on my birthday XD
This is what I thought. I didn't know how to put it in words though... Thank you! xD
Any plans for a search function for the Note system? Example: If I want to search for recieved/sent notes via a username and/or contents?
Or any plans to make userpages customizable with custom background and text colors/etc in the future? Kind of like a "custom skin" sort of deal.
NAMBROTH IS REAL
I'd totally love to see a lighter version of that; darker colors tend to hurt my eyes :x
FA has to compete with SoFurry, DA, and InkBunny. We must have progress!
I know that's a bit of a pain to do in a design, but I thought it was really nice looking.
I like the design. It's "modern" without overdoing the super-glossy OS X bullshittery.
Will we get a link to our Notes somewhere up top like we have now? I hated having to trek to my notes page.
One thing that's always rubbed my butt the wrong way though is the use of the word "journal." Traditionally that word refers to the collected whole, the individual elements being "entries" or "posts" or some such. Nearly three years of use later I still cringe every time I see a "journal deleted by owner" message. "OMG! Someone had mega-drama and deleted their WHOLE JOURNAL?!" No, it's just a single post. The terminology is just kinda unnatural.
The drop downs menus aren't flash, they shouldn't be affecting your download speed, but if you have an older computer and the menus are java (haven't checked, I just know it's not flash) then that might be slowing your computer its self down. The new site should help it load faster on that connection since the main thing that makes this site slow on the client side now is the fact that it's using ton and tons and tons of tables (way way more than should ever be used) in the HTML.
The drop downs menus aren't flash, they shouldn't be affecting your download speed, but if you have an older computer and the menus are java (haven't checked, I just know it's not flash) then that might be slowing your computer its self down. The new site should help it load faster on that connection since the main thing that makes this site slow on the client side now is the fact that it's using ton and tons and tons of tables (way way more than should ever be used) in the HTML.
But yeah DA is very greenish. The new FA is very bluish.
Do you have an ETA on comment management? (allowing, disallowing, maybe even deletion-by-image-owner?)
I think you said they were in future plans on another journal, but I didn't know if that was in the works for the upcoming layout or not.
Will we be able to use the old UI? I seriously prefer the old style.
There was an 'online' or offline lightbulb and now it's gone...
Where'd it go???
It's gone now...
I wanted to know where it went and why?
but FA will always be better i think, i LOVE that layout, i cant wait for it! when do you extimate this UI be up? if it has been said already >.> i guess i been under a rock.. XD
"That's a shade of gray that I don't like. BAWWWWWWWWWW!"
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3495585
I for one am just gonna keep my mouth shut until you say things are done. In the meantime a WIP is a WIP.
Why do we need a link for "my FA" or "my Userpage" in the tool panel, when we've already got a link from our name where it says "Welcome Username" on *every* page? Seems redundant.
fuck
god
And so what if it looks (so vaguely) like DA. It still WORKS just like FA. Christ, people.
I'm so beyond stoked for the new UI though.
i browse on a small netbook; and the four ads at the top of a page take up a pretty big chunk of space; I much prefered them to the left side.
on the other end of things; my desktop is a widescreen monitor. It's very stretched and hard to read.
I'm not sure I like the new layout, but I don't like change.
However, I submit humbly to the admins and will accept whatever changes they decide to make. Good luck with everything.
is anything planned?
i know some folks who would like to play with the character info. lol
thank all of your people for the effort. *smallbow*
I kinda feel like its trying too hard to be DA and its just gonna be too fancy :< thats what I liked about the UI that FA has now (both with the new changes and the way it was before), it was nice and simple.
But I suppose I shouldn't judge before I even see it in action :)
is it gonna come in the light blue like this one? ;O
"we can't trust people not to abuse it" really? so they'd rather have retarded drama left and right that they'll be constantly asked to clean up or do something about? so what if they delete drama or other views on the subject, unless it was posted with the intent of having a debate on the subject I don't see why a person can't remove bad comments. or remove those super annoying comments that stretch the page out so you have to scroll over forever just to see what the submission is. or the people who start RPing in a submission. but a lot of drama and reuploads can be avoided with such a feature as a delete comment button.
now if you tell me that if you add such a button that every time someone hits that button the whole site will crash or slow down bye 1% that would at least be a little better then making up some BS about it being "abused" when used the way it was meant to.
oh well, I really don't care, I don't have a reason to really need such a thing, but it'd still be nice.
If comment deletion were passed along to the userbase, I'd like to be able to see how many messages they've deleted on their userpage and/or on each submission. That way, thin-skinned delete-happy artists can be spotted in advance by their absurd comments received/comments deleted ratio, and can be rightfully passed over for any kind of comment (which will be quickly followed by BAWWW-ing that "nobody comments on my work", but at that point, nobody should care)
While I'm at it, I'll also campaign for file sizes to be included with image thumbnails, so those people who post outrageously "HEUG LIKE XBOX" files can also be denied pageviews because of it. If you're gonna post 3-4 megabyte PNG's because you "don't wanna compromise the KWALL-IT-EE" (or you don't know how to $%&*ing compress your work) then I should know in advance so I can pass right by without clicking on it).
but showing the delete number might not say the right thing, I have a bunch of pics I'd like to delete comments on just because they were meaningless(to the sub) convos. like "hey haven't see you in forever hows it going?" "good, how are things with you?" ect. ones that don't need to be there
Googel: 1 ; Apple: 0 much?
*Allow for users to delete/edit comments. This way folks don't cut whole journals to remove a troll's comment or will allow a commenter to delete any extra posts that might have happened from accedently clicking the Post button or hitting refresh when the page didn't load (but kinda did).
*Come up with a new status for accounts where members had passed on. .....banning them kinda seems a bit, well, strange... It'd be nice to know if someone was listed as dead when they are instead of hearing how someone died and seeing their page was banned (as if it was someone pretending to have passed on and got caught, thus being banned). Maybe a sparkly icon next to the Admins so people can't miss 'em too =B
*Fix the commissions tab. ....because, yeah...
*Add a Favorites selection for Journals. Maybe even add a thumbs up/down on comments (come on, how many comments have you seen you wish you could add daps to?)
~Add a new color or two to the UI skins so there's more then just dark or bright.
....not complaining or anything. I'm not one who knows how coding works, but there's gotta be some tech furs willing to volunteer some time in coding the site for ya if the job is pretty hard. I think the comment edit/deletion thing would be my most wanted thing on this site. ...I've spent too many times with migraines or lack of sleep (or both) and posted stuff I wish I could have deleted or edited but couldn't. I would have also brought up gallery folders, but I hear that's in planning already =3 Awesome! Man, I know it's only just so many more months away or so until that UI update will come, but it looks SOOOO pretty! I can't wait!
You can still report trolling comments for deletion via trouble tickets. As for why this 'power' is unlikely to be given to users, this forum thread provides an answer (as well as the procedure for handling troll/abusive/harassing comments).
Come up with a new status for accounts where members had passed on. .....banning them kinda seems a bit, well, strange... It'd be nice to know if someone was listed as dead when they are instead of hearing how someone died and seeing their page was banned (as if it was someone pretending to have passed on and got caught, thus being banned).
Announced on Fender's journal a little more than a couple of weeks ago.
Err, the FA forum link for the comment control really didn't go anywhere... It just kinda had people argue that people shouldn't have that control as someone who doesn't like any criticism would delete those comments... ....yeah, it's a feature someone could abuse, but it'd do more good then harm. Journal owners should have the ability to delete comments in their own journals and users should have the right to delete/edit comments they post on the Shout page, in a journal, or in a submission. It cuts out the middle man of writing up a ticket and allows users to clean up their own work or police their own journals/submissions. ....speaking of more control, I think the ability to check a journal and submission file with the option of "do not allow commenting" should be in order. Some people have some pictures they just REALLY don't want to see any comments on. Disabling commenting would be a nice thing to add onto this site.
--The number of comments received and comments deleted should be displayed on one's userpage and on each submission. If I see you're delete-happy with user comments, I don't want to potentially waste time attempting to interact with you*.
--The number of "comments disabled" submissions should also be indicated on one's userpage, compared to the total of all submissions in your account. If you're going to mark all or a majority of your submissions as "comments disabled", I'm going to be disinclined to +watch your account, +fave your work, or even look through your gallery*.
Sounds harsh? Perhaps. But they would be an incentive to not abuse these 'powers'. Being antisocial should cut both ways. And those who do abuse such features shouldn't be bothered by people ignoring their presence here, and have no justification to complain about it if they are.
*(In both of the above examples, "I" refers to the general viewership, and "you/your" refer to the folks most likely to use these 'features', if granted to the userbase)
So, you would honestly want to see the stats on people deleting comments from their journals/submissions or see how many pictures have the comments disabled, and you'd use that as a gauge to feel out how a person is even without reading through their journals or gallery? That's just sad =/ Could you imagine how many Page Shout comments deleted or how many pictures they deleted from their gallery if that was displayed? Would you judge people with those numbers as well? What about the Block List feature? You don't see how many people are on people's Block List. You want that too? Or maybe a javascript to a page showing who is being blocked and who is blocking them?
Trying to put up a count on features like that would make it harder to put those features up in the first place. And there really isn't a good way to have a social gauge set up on a person just by having a count of what they did. Like, okay, let's look at how some online games have a "number of games quit" on their stats. Yeah, nice to use to stay away from people who drop out of a game when they are loosing and don't want any losses counted on their file. HOWEVER, what about people who have a crappy internet connection? Those people would also have a high "games quit" just because their net would drop them out. It would just "appear" that they were early quitters, huh? If there was a counter for deleted comments in a journal with the feature and someone had a high number, it could be argued that either the person enjoys their control too much, OR they happen to have a lot of people double/triple post or troll their journal. ....and you'd just judge them as a bad person simply on how many comments they'd remove.... Not cool man. IF a user were to abuse their ability to remove other peoples journal or commission comments from their account, then it's safe to say they'd build up a reputation and would be known for it. Word would spread and I'm sure there would be a mentioning of them on some LJ group or something that would list the people who are jerk asses.
I don't see what the problem is... It's giving users more power and control over what is in their profile and allowing folks to correct their own mistakes when posting in others journals and submissions. There would be more good to come from that then harm.
"It can be abused"
So can user controlled deletion of comments and disabling comments on submissions.
Misuse of the "checks" I described will at most result in some unknown number of anonymous viewers not interacting with some unknown number of artists because of a couple of obscure numbers that they may not have interpreted correctly. On top of all the other number of reasons, legit or not, that someone may have for deciding not to +watch, +fave or comment on something in one's gallery.
How terrible and awful.
I've got an idea. Let the users have all the blocking/deletion stuff they want. Forget the stats counter.
Instead, place an indicator with the journal title and/or thumbnail that indicates that comments are disabled so that viewers know before they even click on them. I predict a sizable number of artists will make their entire galleries 'comments disabled'. The fun really starts when someone (not me) puts out the idea that people who find themselves +watched by someone who does this, should just block them. Delicious irony ensues.
Yes, clearly all the people who used to be on FAP and all the people on [Furocity] have set their galleries to have comments disabled because the sites happened to have that feature. I would go and comment on their page or journal to ask everyone why they have done that, but they all apparently had set those to 'do not comment' as well in their settings. *rolls eyes* Jesus, you're sounding like people who hate guns and say they're too dangerous for people to own and use when the real problem is just the people and how they use them. I doubt if even 5% at most of the entire FA user numbers would set their everything to comments disabled were those features be available. If the stupid human factor were to keep features that would help but may have a small chance of being used for bad, then this site wouldn't ever get upgraded or have anything new to it. It would pretty much get dumbed down to a VCL-like site and not allow faves, comments, journals, or any social interaction between people.
Sure, let folks mark their submissions as 'comments disabled'. If such entries wind up comprising a large chunk of their uploads, all those indicators on the thumbnails might give visitors a hint that they should be careful what they say in the ones that do allow comments.
What about people who took a commission from Allan Lupine Assassin but the picture came out great and they wanted to post it?
I know about "Ah-llaaaaan! He took one of the business cards I laid out on my artist's table this past Anthrocon. Knowing that (and why) he's a controversial personality, I'd simply not identify the commissioner or the character in the pic. (this is assuming I'd take a commission from him, of course)
Some people honestly can't stand comments of people role playing in their pictures. Some people are quite tired of "I'd follow her/him and ask them on a date!" being posted over and over again
I'd support "Marked as spam". Just like YouTube.
I still don't see the downside to deleting your own comments
(emphasis mine) Somebody makes abusive/trolling remarks, leaving them long enough for the recipient to see, then hides the evidence by deleting them (or inducing deletion). Nice way to troll without catching a ban, no? :)
--I'd support comment preview so that typos, URL and BBCode errors can be spotlighted and corrected before posting.
If you become a big enough jerk then word will spread and if you use the features wisely then nothing bad happens.
Eyy-up. Even with stats.
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What about the Block List feature? You don't see how many people are on people's Block List. You want that too? Or maybe a javascript to a page showing who is being blocked and who is blocking them?
I did not bring up the block list. I have no opinion regarding it.
Like, okay, let's look at how some online games have a "number of games quit" on their stats. Yeah, nice to use to stay away from people who drop out of a game when they are loosing and don't want any losses counted on their file. HOWEVER, what about people who have a crappy internet connection? Those people would also have a high "games quit" just because their net would drop them out. It would just "appear" that they were early quitters, huh?
They'd still be blacklisted--keeping the number a secret would only make it take longer for others to start avoiding them, as well as giving the actual quitters the ability to get away with it that much longer.
BTW, there is already one such indicator on FA. You may not have noticed it--because it's just a pair of numbers, not described as a "feature" anywhere. When someone "ragequits", deletes their entire gallery and later comes back. Their pageviews are out of whack with the number of submissions listed. This is a good indication that anything you fave under that artist stands a good chance of vanishing without notice. For those accounts, one might want to save copies of anything they +fave there. Would you campaign to have those numbers hidden so nobody who wasn't there knows the artist nukes their gallery, possibly without warning?
I've never visited SoFurry or Furocity. I never saw a need to. And 'sizable number" does not equal
"clearly all the people". Would there be pandemonium if FA went to their system? Probably not. But the results could be very different for a site whose userbase hasn't had such control from Day One. Given it's size, it's unrealistic to expect that a majority of FA's userbase also has/had accounts on either of those two sites, and that's probably one of the things FA's administration is concerned about when they nixed the idea here. But I don't have a dog in that fight. If you do, they're the ones to take it up with.
Interesting you should bring up gun control. I believe that in places where gun ownership has never been restricted (concealed/open carry, etc), people grow up around firearms and learn to respect what these tools are capable of. They (mostly) grow up being responsible owners. You just don't hear about them blowing each other away over trivial slights (the media would looooove to spotlight that). In large cities where guns have been illegal for as long as anyone can remember, the same conditions could take hold too. Imagine a big city where nobody starts trouble because anyone could be armed.
The problem with getting to that point, is that the populace in those areas (and make no mistake, I live in one of them--New York City) never grew up around legally-owned firearms and the culture surrounding them. Too many people who might otherwise qualify for ownership (i.e. no criminal record) will have the wrong idea of what it means to be a responsible "armed citizen". True, they'd weed themselves out of the pool of citizens eligible to own firearms, but it's the collection of incidents surrounding what they did to take themselves out of the "can legally be armed" pool is the problem that nobody wants to take responsibility for setting in motion.
(and before you say it--no, I'm not equating misapplied moderation with people getting shot--the above paragraph was an aside on your comment about "sounding like people who hate guns". Because I don't.)
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And finally to put things in perspective, you do realize this whole escalation is over a hypothetical feature that FA's owner/operators are on record as "not gonna happen"?. If it goes on much longer it's just going to look silly.
I'm currently not a fan of everything being stretched out atm.
Some feedback then:
I'm missing "scraps" and "commission information" -- having a designated commission info page, would be something a lot of people would like to see returned (instead of using journals, etc.)
I do hope that the current "small banner" ads will get a better place than top-center in the final layout (they are not shown in this preview at all), because that would be something that would get on my nerves real quick, having flashing ads mid-view on every page...
Another remark: the old layout conveniently had everything in view on the user page without needing to click (latest submissions, latest favs, watching/watched by) - seems the new layout will have captions to click to view different sections and information - not a smart move, imho.
Also seems a few things occur multiple times, like gallery above and below the thumbs, and go to gallery.
Another thing: the statistics top-right; larger font, very prominent. Is it really that important for visitors to the page to see those statistics? I'd say that would be something better put behind a hover or click.
The layout also borrows a lot from other "modern" pages a la Vista: a lot of whitespace, which is just a waste a screen real estate better used for information or images.
Another important thing is that I do hope you will have a light theme as well, or at least one with more contrast? I've always favoured the light one for FA, and find dark grey with medium grey text too "faded" of a choice. Might work on TFTs with pumped-up contrast settings, but I for one, and I think a lot of graphics people, keep a much more balanced setting for their monitor in which case the lack of contrast in the pages will be a possible eyestrain.
Wasted space for unfilled info people may not want.
Wasted space to draw "talk balloons" to avatars because I must not be able to tell who is writing something just by a name by a posting.
I hope that's not the only color choice. Grey on grey is not the most easy to read.
but will/can there be an option to choose a simpler layout for those that -do- like the version that we had yesterday?
Keep up the good work though, can't wait to see this in a month! >^.=.^<
The mock-up you have posted, even though I know FA isn't going to be 100% identical to that, looks pretty impressive. It's still FA, which I really like, but with a few whooshy Javascript tokens and a much sexier layout. The mistakes most websites make with their updates is straying too far from the original, whereas this mock-up seems to be staying within the realm of an, "Upgraded FA," and not so much, "Aliens have invaded and made it so no one can render the web pages on their crappy Internet connections ever again!!!!111oneone >:DDD". So, I look forward to seeing how FA does this upcoming layout. ^^
More computer demanding setup - Check.
No improvements, bunch of unwanted features - Check.
Implementing part of the actual thing, which imposes no improvement but a lot of frustration - Check.
Opening the window blindly for misuse, abuse, and exploits - Check.
Yeah, this may have been more appealing if it was a more complete version of what you have picture above and not what this mess that looks like a broken backbone of what is left of the old UI. I see no good in what is being developed here, none. I prefer our old, simple, original, and functional UI over this load of garbage any day - As I'm sure does a good majority of the community.
To add, it resembles that of both SA and DA - Who have unstable and somewhat broken layouts as of the current day. By doing this, you'll be mocking what they did and opening the same doors they have to not just /improve/ the community, but to help those who seek to destroy it. The factor of this "Online Status" without a toggle is our biggest example of that negligence.
However I am merely reciting what A LOT have people already said. These facts will not change, nor can they be "worked around" or "fixed" without something else coming up and making a mess out of everything.
You've GOT to be kidding me. You're a damned idiot.
Also, what I said led to NO indication that the UI that was pushed out today is not shit.
If there IS any significant performance issues, running the current system I am wouldn't make much of a difference. However, some using a laptop from 2003 may have some noticeable issues and that's what I was basing that point in particular on.
So as you stick your own foot in your mouth, I shall bid you farewell then.
And I could have sworn you mentioned something about not wasting your time with me, did I strike a nerve or are you just being a hypocrite?
From that moment on, you de-railed your original point. The argument ended the moment you made that comment.
Nice one Sherlock.
Upgrade a computer for a website? I don't think you understand the problem here.
I have a towering behemoth of a power workstation/gaming rig at home. It has far more power than most people would have any idea what to do with. I have no problem with keeping firefox running 24/7 with 100+ tabs open, and uptimes longer than a month, because everything still runs smoothly... but I still hate dA. I hate dA, because it's an unnecessarily intensive resource hog, with a slow and annoying interface. When I click a link, it should just open--not take a few seconds to download, assemble, and render. God forbid I open a string of links in new tabs on dA--my browser will slow to a crawl. The rest of the web is fast, and makes dA a slow, annoying pile of shit by comparison. It's about perspective. If you have a slower computer, and are used to waiting a few seconds for every page to load, you'll still be annoyed by the fact that a poorly optimized site will take 3x longer than however long you are used to.
Optimization is a very important thing in basically every part of the field, websites being no exception. When you try to overload a site with useless bells and whistles, you're invoking the law of diminishing returns, and there's an exponential decrease in the efficiency of optimization as complexity rises. You very quickly reach a point at which the costs outweigh the benefits, and you end up with a shitty site like dA.
Good for you.
As for why this power is unlikely to just be handed to users: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threa.....on-of-comments
Small question will there be an option to change to old UI or its new UI from agust on out?
i wish all you guys luck on it <3
(says nothing else for fear of being flamed)
nah just kidding.
I'm excited for a bit of change.
FUCK YESSSSSSSSS
You know, not make it look like something vista threw up :C
Do the little thumbnail gallery boxes to the right mean there will be some utility to crop our own thumbnails from the artwork, or is it an auto-crop that zeros in on the center of the image?
Dumb question, but the banner on current FA rotates every month. Will the new site layout still have a monthly rotating banner in the upper left, only as a sort of png thing that lets the grey background pop through as opposed to a square banner? Or will it be a static illustration? (mind you, it's a nice static illustration.)
Looking forward to it! Thanks for all the hard work!
I think it looks awesome, and I can't wait till it rolls out.
However, there are some good ideas as well as some that just kinda make things more cluttered.
Because the current layout is really messed up on my widescreen monitor.
More pixel artist/spriter accessible FA = happy purple thingy is me :>
it avoids the need for awkward transitional steps like this.
also, why are ads now on top of the main page, and between the submission and comments. it makes the pages look ugly, because the ads aren't made to fit FA's color theme. they were great on the side.
I also hope the finished product will be properly spaced at the edges >3>
It's coming, and a shitload of improvements (some big, some small) are on their way.
So take a deep breath. Breathe in, breathe out. Just not too hard (especially if you have asthma).
For example, today we added in Session Management (lets you be logged into multiple devices at once, which is part of FA Mobile). We upgraded to a server from 32GB of RAM to 64, from a quad-core system to an octo-core box (with almost 4X the total CPU power) and a LOT of other little things that are under the hood that go towards makeing FA the single best furry site there is.
Little steps towards a big goal.
Sometimes those steps aren't fun between A and B.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:13295517
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:13295561
We can't make everybody happy, we know that, but we'll do our best.
The look is changing, not the community ----which is what *I* think sets FA apart from DA the most.
My only suggestions would be to remove the redundant 'My Userpage' button or change it to be something else. Not quite sure yet. Maybe Commission Info for quick changing and/or linking?
Also, I agree with the people saying the journal is too low...personally I'd prefer something similar to what we have now, with the featured submission where it is, and swap the journal with the gallery thumbnails.
I also hope that the banner will still change monthly! :)
In any case, I can't wait to see this!
PS. Just noticed this, but I LOVE the search bar. I hope that's on every page for quick searching. The way FA is now, I'm constantly forgetting we even HAVE a search feature.
On a general front, yeah, you guys are totally copying DeviantArt's look. Don't try to deny it, I've been comparing this screen and an actual user page from DA. Yeah, there are some subtle differences (and by 'subtle' I mean 'you really just moved shit around and messed with the font), but in general, it's pretty much the same. Just admit it, and we can move on.
http://twitter.com/furaffinity/status/19470768428
We actually managed to hit almost 7,800 last night online at a time.
I also wonder if a rating system or a comment editing program will be added too, ^^ or deleting ones' own comments as well. And maybe a video submission possibility so people can avoid anti-fur populated youtube and other nuisances. Oh well if its not gonna be done though heh. But I rate that UI pretty darn good though.
Do you guys already have a plan for the submissions/journals area? Will we still have our submissions and journals as we do now, all spread out by date, or will there be some sort 'stack' system like deviantART, or maybe something new and different?
Also... nice layout.. but where are those oven fresh emoticons D:
Also I guess keeping up with modern site designs = looking like DeviantART :/ Bah, when has stagnation ever been a positive thing? People need to stop being so adverse to change.
Don't give in to all the people who say "We want the option!" Do like facebook and eBay, and post links to try the new "Beta" for a few weeks, then force the switch. No need to provide support for whiners.
Thank you.
One thing I wonder is how "featured submissions" will work with this new layout. It seems that featured art/latest uploads/favourites all got merged to a single preview image. I presume the art on the right changes if I mouse over the image thumbnails on the right. Will it be possible to view the featured art again after that?
Will the commissions page be fixed when this gets implemented fully and other things like that?
Well, I feel the site faster than before, granted. That's enough to keep me happy and quiet. XD
But I'm liking the UI you're working towards. =o
By making the "user" themselves an optional character in this gallery, this can naturally accommodate
That's one sexy looking layout thar.
I hope this gets implemented soon.
- I love the same old color scheme used in a new way
- I love how all the links are practically there with you the whole time, now i dont have to click 500 links to get where i wanna be (tho it wasnt a problem before thanks to FA loading fast but this is even better)]
- If the font turns out like in the preview - huge thumbs up! The size and the color is perfect
- That green is a little yuck (looks dead), as well as the orange. Just a tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiny slight more saturation would be perfect.
- Same goes for the logo and the logo has a weird position. something about it irks me
anyways
AWESOME JOB CANT WAIT <3
I'll withhold judgement till I see it live. :-P
is exactly the same as a good friend of mine's right before he changed it
Can I have an option to revert to the old FA? The gamma or whatever was linked all over the forum doesn't work right for me. :/
If this is going to be the new layout, why not finish it, test it with other admins or a group of forum users (not the entire user database, we aren't guinea pigs, well, not all of us), THEN implement it?
By making ads slightly smaller, vertically, or increasing the height of the site banner a little, a placement something like one of the following could potentially be feasible, and would eliminate all that purposeless whitespace:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.....adermockup.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.....dermockup2.png
I've always thought FA's ad placement was a good compromise between browser and advertiser interests, for the little ads. Putting all ads at the bottom of the site, like in the mockup (which uses the wrong ad format, from what I can tell, so I can't be sure what you're intending to do with the ads), or worse yet, using ads to break browsing flow like on the current submission pages, seems like an exceptionally bad move to me.
I like the upcoming layout no more now than I did last time it was discussed, particularly I have issue with the absolutely arbitary splashes of color (the orange and the blue sort of work, the green just looks bizarrely random) and the lack of separation between page elements. I also think putting the art above the user info on the user page is a very bad choice; there is a gallery tab for people who want to go straight to the art, and scrolling past someone's introduction or whatever to get to their pretty pictures surely can't be that much of a hardship.
(As a sidenote, this intermediary layout makes the image previews on my userpage not work, due to the blank space where the preview image shows up adjusting to size; I have a smallish submission as one of my most recent, and when that previews the change in the box's height makes me mouse over the icon below it, and thus the site will load that preview instead. That said, the whole feature makes it really hard for artists to use warning thumbnails for disturbing content, since if their last uploaded piece was nasty fetish kink art, the nasty fetish kink art is going to be the pre-selected preview no matter what the thumbnail is.)
People say this layout looks like a child just haphazardly threw the page elements onto the page. That whitespace is a large reason why.
Most mobile web site tend to have limited features: Ebay doesn't allow you to make listings, Windows Live Hotmail will not display attachments, the formatting for MSN breaks and half the text can't be viewed, and So Furry is simply unusable.
I think I am going to love this Layout..those colors...I hope they are customizable. And the buttons frames all look wonderful. I think maybe we have something here that will make those Deviant's double-take, jaw-drop, eye roll, and jizz themselves with envy.
The design looks like it might need some more tweeking to make it more efficient while browsing. It all looks kinda cramped together in the image.
And what's all this talk about it looking like dA UI?? I mean, seriously? The only comparison I can see is that it looks like a modern website, which dA IS. DA is always upgrading there site (visually, if not efficiently). And I don't even remember the last time FA made a thorough overhaul of the site's design.
So quit complaining. Geez.
Any comment spam-controls to go with them?
It looks more professional from this shot. Suddenly it looks like you could link people to it in a semi-pro capacity.
Also, glad to hear about the multi-sessions! This is perfect for my own thoughts regarding making a WordPress cross-posting plugin. More functionality is ++good.
Kar
Are there going to be monthly banners in the new layout?
I know a lot of people seem to be getting butthurt over this, either 'cuz it'll be harder to navigate/looks like DA/other. I'm also curious about ads. I know you need them, thats not the issue though. I get annoyed w/ these ads that some sites hve though that stream video, some you can mute or pause others, the majority of them, you can't. which involves refreshing the page. This happens to me on DA a lot of the time.
Those are the only things i wonder about this new UI for right now. Even though we have a general idea of how things are going to work, i still don't think it's all that fair to judge it since you haven't tried it out yet you silly furs.
And then go and piss all over dA.
Hypocrites much? :D
It's slow as hell and completely overloaded with coding I don't want or need. Give me FA's minimalist structure anyday. Just because you CAN make an image pop up in a pseudo-window to look all cool when you make it bigger, doesn't mean you have to.
Oh, and not having to navigate through seven menus to submit one picture is really nice.
Good gosh Im in love with this layout ^^
Any chance we could color individualize our pages? No biggee...
Some people are filled with it here at FA but that's part of FA i suppose.
Honestly, I think the reason I'm in the middle is probably just because of familiarity. We as a species (I mean humans, for all you "I'M A WOLF ON THE INSIDE!" people) are creatures of habit, so maybe I'm just uncomfortable with such a big change in the look of a website I spend a lot (E.G too much) of time on.
Either way, it looks cool. X) I'm sure I'll grow to love it over my time spent on it, much like I have current FA. It's nice to see how far this site truly has come in half a decade, in spite of the fact that many people refuse to see it.
Looks a bit better than DA and hopefully is less script intensive than DA is.
i will say that i don't understand the point of pushing a half-complete layout (the current one) live so early.
if the UI ends up like that, i'll totaly put up with what ever is updated!! *3*
13 year olds means Beast Wars was before their time. And TMNT, and Swat Cats, and Bucky O'Hare, and Road Rovers, and Street Sharks, and the list goes on...
And that's quite possibly the most depressing shade of grey ever.
Other than that, it's okay. It's definitely miles ahead of the current site.
It's flashy and looks cool, but ultimately, it feels like the bastard child of Web 2.0 and deviantART. I really hate both; navigation is unwieldy and unintuitive at best, and a pain in the ass at worst--I actually left dA altogether because their interface was getting so progressively bad, and their pages taking more and more CPU and memory to load, to the point it was actually feeling like a java applet. Yeah, it looks pretty, but any savvy internet user can tell you that looks have absolutely no relation to ease of use, and ease of use is far more important.
The FA interface previously was actually far better than dA, or sheezyFAPbunny, precisely because it was so simple, unobtrusive, and easy to use. Yes, FA lacked some of the core features of those sites, and dA, but ultimately, it was a better setup, despite the instability of the backend. We really don't need another sheezyFAPbunny clone site--we have enough of them already, and there's a REASON more people don't prefer them to FA--they suck.
Turning FA into a clone of a less successful site, because it looks more hip and trendy, isn't just counter-intuitive, it's fucking stupid.
Looking cool is nice, but considering FA's track record of interface design "improvements", I can't see this going anywhere good. Keep it intuitive and simple, and I won't have a problem with it... but I don't want to have to wade through layers of menus, strangely-positioned elements, and scripting functions just to browse FA. Mess with the CSS, or the graphics, etc... all you want, but don't dick with the layout and interface unless you can find someone who actually knows what they're doing--and I DON'T mean some popular web designer from dA or some other shitty bells-and-whistles site.
For the love of raptor jesus, this.
I like a simple layout that is functional and not full of just garbage that no one uses.
I see you're finally axing the commission page then, or don't you?
Also where do you place the ad banners or will there only be 1?
It sucks how you now put them in the header, elongating it needlessly and even put them between a submission and its comments.
THat design there only allows for more adspace on the bottom or the top and, seeing how you'd pick the top, I'd rather have that sidebar back.
Wait, there will be new functionality and not only cosmetic changes, right? Right?
NEW FA, now looking like DA.
I threw a screaming hissyfit with the latest update of DA's UI and the bad webdesign that went into it. Seems like 'shiny pretty sleek designs' are winning over practical and decent looking ones these days. Alas, it's a trend. First everything had to be flash and now we get these bollocks.
My main issue with the new FA design layout wise is the amount of info they intend to put on one page, but that's personal preference.
I do notice a number of what look like redundant links though. Not sure what the deal there is.
Also the shouts so prominent on my page? No thanks. They get more focus than the journals now, something I value a lot more. Also bollocks like character info should not be above a journal ... not all of us have murrsonas -___-
I'm also curious what happened to the ID, did that just disappear now?
I see your point about the journals. Honestly, I've never liked the "shout" system. Purely one way communication is of limited value to me.
There does seem to be no provision given for the ID, yeah. I don't use it myself, so I didn't miss it til you mentioned it.
Functionality ... Interaction design ... what's that?
If they keep away from that and stick to the way they operate full view now, I won't have to worry :V
On that note, the only suggestion/question I have, is will you be able to donate/subscribe to be able to remove the ads on every submission page, and every page in general?
I am excited now 8D
Regardless, what I hope for more than anything is that FA maintains it's simple, user friendly submission system and that that this thing still runs as fast as the current UI does.
And, you know, maybe keep the color scheme from the current UI so that it doesn't look SO much like Steam...
In what way? I mean, it's not like any of the old UI will exist after this new UI is introduced, right? Or will the old UI still be available to those who prefer it?
Am looking forward to this layout
ALSO
On this line of thought: you know when you use the "newer / older" tabs to cycle through someone's gallery? If you have the mature filter on, and in the gallery there is an adult/mature picture, can we have it just skip to the next approved picture? Right now it's the "you can't see this lol", and then I have to go back to the user's gallery to get back where I was.
I think a step like this would be a great addition to the site >3<
ALSO
On this line of thought: you know when you use the "newer / older" tabs to cycle through someone's gallery? If you have the mature filter on, and in the gallery there is an adult/mature picture, can we have it just skip to the next approved picture? Right now it's the "you can't see this lol", and then I have to go back to the user's gallery to get back where I was.
Can somebody change the first table inside the <td> class "logo", from width="100%" to width="94%"? That would give a charming feeling while browing at furry art and, seldom, at porn.
Thanks.
PS: HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS
Though i'm afraid of a lot of the comments that are taking things way too out of context, but I suppose to each their own.
I am wondering though, will the commenting system be about the same as it is now? Or a little different? I apologize if this was all ready addressed somewhere and I did not see it.
On another note... this reminds me more of a mix between Artspots and DA
If this is the thing people have been moaning about (how it looks like now) I really don't see the problem. Things have been shuffled a bit, but it makes use of the full screen now instead of reserving the left-hand side of the screen for the control panel. The additional buttons for journals and notes are also liked by me.
Assuming the UI hasn't changed since people started complaining, what's there to complain about?
at lest thats My thout of it ^^
Also worried about the lack of contact info and easily viewed favorites, as well as the new journal position. Assuage these fears nao plz. *lip bite*
BUT.
Wait for it to come out, then we'll see if it'll be as buggy as DA's.
I hope your bandwidth is prepared.
All this is assuming the text shown in the thumbnail is actual text. If they're images, then yeah, that'll add up real fast.
*All numbers approximations for current peak server load.
It looks very easy to navigate from what my eyes are seeing of the design and that's a definite plus.
I'm definitely loving the color scheme, the neutral colors really make the user icons and the art pieces pop out.
I know this isn't the final version of the new layout and I'm happy to say I can't wait to see what it'll look like when it's all said and done. =P
Please leave the option to make it dark text on a light background! All low contrast color schemes are horrible for me. I use the "original" interface option, and find websites with grey text on black background unusable. I avoid them like the plague as light-on-dark color schemes destroy my vision with eye strain!
Do be careful to code it so it doesn't use up more bandwith than the current interface. There is something to be said for the minimalist aspects of the previous (current) design, such as being accessable to people with slower connections, and I think we can all agree the last thing this site needs is more stress on the servers.
BTW- LOL @ the sample journal. It's even funnier because it's true. Most the journals around here ARE emo like that. ~_^
For the next step I would highly recommend that you review the end result across a range of monitors and resolutions, at least from 10.1" widescreen to 21" widescreen. In fact, I'd personally require developers to use the test site with nothing other than a netbook and only the touchpad for navigation for at least a week. That's a good way to keep your interim steps looking professional and polished and keep you from falling into the sort of fully vertical layout design principles that died with the 90's and got buried for good with the dawn of the widescreen monitor.
That and tell Fender to stop spiking the coffee during design meetings.
We're going to have to give them an earful, if they don't fix small-screen browsing by the end of their designing.
I think it looks different, unique, and awesome. THIS would put DA to shame.
Maybe you could have the option for people to change the background color of the site for their own personal preference, if they don't like the current color.
But really, I love how this is looking so far, and I can't wait for the change. I enjoy the fact that I see art and all the important stuff first, and that the journal is on the bottom.
I also like the User Info/Character Info because I am tired of going to an FA page and the first thing I see is a NOVEL of themselves and their characters with random colorful text which not only makes my eyes squint, but it's just...TLDR.
Can't wait for this to be released
I loooooooove the new design muchly though, frig all those people who don't like it :P this looks like its pure awesome.
Another vote for keeping icons sized at 100x100 for comments though
Just like the entire internet.
Sigh.... looks nice....
(Ugh, each of the emoticons above need their own server call. They would load twenty times faster if they were put in a sprite sheet.)
They won't. Mark my words. That ain't just FA, that's the entire world today. Why spend days coding better when you can just buy a faster machine?
And I noticed the multiple logins yesterday...did a bit of a headtilt, that's for sure.
Whoever made up that orange logo is really good at making logos.