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But...they're all in the same FAMILY. Lions don't mate with...camels. So that arguement is completely invalid unless he wants to go shag a bonobo...
Strange things happen in nature.
Dogs also hump for dominance reasons.
Before he was neutered my dog humped my blanket, a towel, whatever was on the floor that was nearby. That didnt mean he was -attracted- to it.
Also, since when do male animals go in heat? "In heat" refers to the period when a female's genetals become swelled.
However, humans have pretty much lost most of their natural instincts unless placed in life threatening situations, cause we've all gotten way too comfortable with our secure lives.
This leads to some folks believing that fucking an animal is aok and the most natural thing in the world.
It really is -not-.
To further prove that humans are possibly the dumbest animals on the planet I can't even believe this needs to be discussed on the internet.
I do belieave we're talking more about mating happening between animals that live on the same continent.
The only reason we seem unaware of it is because unlike a donkey and horse mating, in which will produce offspring, a hyena and lion mating will produce nothing. You can look at the hossdonkey and say "LOL, they mated!" but the only way you can really tell if unrelated animals are mating with one another you'd have to actually catch them in the act.
Just because you don't have proof of offspring, don't mean they don't/can't mate and do it often.
No?
Well, Two wrongs don't make a right.
Do unto others what you would have them do unto you.
Treat others the way you would want to be treated, That does NOT translate to "treat others the way they have acted." It translates to YOU treat people, the way YOU want to be treated yourself.
Are you fucking serious? You're scum."
You're fucking stupid. So, any sex between animals at any time is always rape? You apparently don't understand the meaning of "body language."
Learn some fucking basic biology, then get back to me. You're pathetic.
You are the worst kind of human.
Once again, you're fucking stupid. Learn some basic biology, or shut the fuck up.
Yes, animals DO have the conciousness to make those decisions. Ever been around a horse? They'll kick you if they don't like what you're doing. There are people out there that have sex with horses. Obviously, if the horse didn't like it, they'd kick.
You're fucking retarded.
NOW IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME I'LL BE IN MY "LAB".
HURR DURR. GET IT? LAB, CAUSE A LAB CAN MEAN EITHER A LABORATORY OR A *mrrr* DOG.
Any human being who fucks an animal needs to be burned alive, and then kept alive to suffer.
Can you say, NAZI?
"HEY, I LIKE PEPPERONI ON MY PIZZA.
"Oh yeah? I don't."
"FUCK YOU ASSHOLE THAT'S IT YOU'RE ON FIRE NOW. COOK. YEEEESS, BURN YOU BEAUTIFUL BASTARD!"
That and BURNING DOG FUCKERS.
...
Plz don't burn me, bro.
OH GOD! *Flail!*
Actually I'm a hamburger and mushroom girl. But I don't mind pepperoni? I'M A PIZZA TOLERANCE TYPE PERSON
*resigns herself to being burned?*
Mushrooms have saved you, though hamburger is a good topping as well. YOU ARE SPARED.
...
This whole conversation has made me want a very deep dish supreme pizza...
Pepperoni, Spicy Italian Sausage, Mushrooms, Onions, Feta Cheese.
DO IT.
You are my new best friend. But then again I put that shit on EVERYTHING. We buy a new container of feta every 2 weeks. It'd be every week if I could afford it.
Also Your pizza is in the mail. Though it might be slightly chewed on by the time you get it. And by slightly I mean most of it gone. Alright, all of it. IT LOOKED GOOD AND I WAS HUNGRY, DAMMIT.
... wait.
NO.
What, are you saying you think it's all fine and dandy for people to abuse animals to get their rocks off? If so you have a lot to re-think bro.
dude, just stop defending people who fuck animals. its sick, its wrong, its illegal and immoral. end of story.
See the original comment: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/469...../#cid:34949742
i can't believe you're trying to compare animal fucking to homosexuality.
like... are you retarded or something?
This is a different species, not the same sex.
A domesticated animal pretty much relies on its caretaker for everything. They've learned to be docile because they depend on the caretaker.
To utilize that animal to sexually gratify oneself is reprehensible. Opinion, you say? Animals cannot verbalize. Fact. People can misread cues for their own selfish ends. Fact. 'Oh no not me'. If it's with a person there's a good chance they'll speak up and tell you no. And even then. It happens in people all the time. One partner wants to have sex, and the other doesn't want to rock the boat too much, so they protest verbally, the other partner either ignores or misinterprets these no's, and later on, there's a victim, raped. People will often believe what serves their own interests.
Now consider the fact again that an animal relies on you. It's not going to protest as much, and all the more it's going to be confused because sexual stimulation can feel good. Take the time and read up on someone who has been sexually assaulted. Many will describe mixed feelings about how it felt good and yet felt so wrong, and they just couldn't fight it.
If you are sexually stimulating an animal for your own pleasure you are raping that animal. Rape is sex without consent, and animals cannot verbalize consent. You can guess as best you can what an animal is communicating, and the fact is you don't really know. We are responsible for their needs, and sex is not one of them (short of a few species where it actually is physically necessary, and even then that's best left for a vet).
Animals don't need you to have sex. They have natural instincts and outlets from nature that do NOT include people. People rationalize it so that they can get their own sexual gratification.
you have to have some reason to defend people that are so mentally disturbed that they think its okay to fuck animals. you claim not to have ever fucked a dog, but that doesn't make any damn sense.
oh and you're idea of 'just looking the other way'? that would work great if they weren't shoving our noses in it. people will NEVER look the other way about stuff like this. it is wrong, plain and simple.
and the fact that you're trying to compare the "suffering" of dogfuckers to the persecution of the homosexual community is laughable.
like homosexuality is persecuted by one group of people, the religious zealots.
dogfucking is pretty much persecuted by... everyone. that isn't insane and also a zoophile.
plus, the first comment on this journal makes the best point of all; yes there is interspecies mating occurring in the wild and in captivity, those animals are of the same family tree. a cat with a cat, a bear with a bear, etc.
not an advanced primate with a canine. they are EXTREMELY different on a genetic and evolutionary level, and HERMIE just seems to be ignoring that fact thrown in his direction... common dogfucker/troll syndrome.
and the fact that you're trying to compare the "suffering" of dogfuckers to the persecution of the homosexual community is laughable.
As laughable as the stupid fuck who compared fursecution to the holocaust?
It's dogfuckers who I would burn at a moment's notice if it were legal.
Show me one example of someone that has sex with animals "shoving your nose in it," and I'll show you several examples where other people go OUT OF THEIR WAY to insult people that engage in "immoral" or "wrong" activities.
This started because the original poster was being a fucking bitch and needlessly accusing and insulting someone on a 3rd partie's submission. I called her out on it. Obviously, she didn't like it. Perhaps she should look in the mirror before commenting again.
she simply stated that the photo was against the AUP. and it is.
then the so-called dogfucker came along and asked to 'get the stick out of her ass'
she asked him not to talk to her because he is CLEARLY an animal molester.
and then you came in with your bullshit.
soooo not her fault at all, you little toadstool.
2. It was not necessary to post that.
3. I've stated nothing but facts. Apparently, you don't like the truth.
also its a pretty safe assumption when the guy's favorites and gallery is nothing but DOG PENISES.
Presenting the fact that animals are intellegent beings is a "futile attempt at giving factual information?"
a lion will NEVER mate with a fucking camel,
so by your logic, a human should NEVER mate with a dog.
animals are intelligent, but if they were as intelligent as humans they would have the power to speak.
they dont understand why their master, who is supposed to protect them from harm, is causing them mental and physical pain by abusing them like that
someone just said that animals have been known to suffer mental trauma when people do that, and you IGNORED IT
if dogs and humans were meant to mate, then EVOLUTION WOULD HAVE MADE IT SO.
2. Animals do speak, but not with words. It's called "body language." Many animals also communicate with scent glands, which humans do not have. Animals do indeed communicate vocally. Otherwise, all animals would be completely silent. You obviously have no understanding of animals.
3. It can be argued that evolution "made it so," by comparing the sizes of human and canine genetalia. Some dogs are large enough to have comparable penis sizes. THIS IS NOT CONDONING ANIMAL SEX. THIS IS SIMPLY PRESENTING A FACT. DO NOT TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT.
animals do not enjoy sex. they do it to procreate. it is necessary, not fun.
some animals (LIKE PETS) will ALWAYS give positive body language. they love their master and will do what they want because they love them.
you obviously have NO fucking brain and NO sense of moral judgment.
by presenting facts that SUPPORT animal sex, you are CONDONING IT.
NOW KINDLY SHUT THE HELL UP AND SLEEP IN THE BED YOU HAVE MADE, YOU DOGFUCKER.
Animals DO have sex for pleasure. 15,000 species have been DOCUMENTED engaging in non-reproductive, homosexual activity.
Dolphins and Chimps are both well-known for having sex for pleasure.
NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING RETARD. GO READ A BOOK.
you're like a goddamn cockroach.
no worse
you're a single-celled bacteria that lives in the cockroach's intestinal tract
you are the worst kind of human ever
Furthermore, I have never once had sex with a dog.
Here's some scientific facts for you, dumbfuck.
cat, goat, cow, deer.
maybe the correct term would be animal fucker
my beliefs are NOT false. i will say it loud. and. clear.
HAVING SEX WITH ANIMALS IS DISGUSTING, DEPRAVED, IMMORAL, AND JUST. PLAIN. WRONG. ANYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY BEARING RESEMBLANCE TO SUPPORTING THIS ACT SHOULD BE BEHEADED AND THEN BURNED AT THE FUCKING STAKE.
that is my belief, and if it's false, the i guess you ARE a dogfucker.
Go fuck yourself.
big fail.
there she said what's wrong with having sex with animals and you just put fingers in your ears while singing "LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU YOU ARE THE WORST KIND OF HUMAN LIKE HITLER AND KKK LALALALA".
So mature....
ADALF HITLER
THE WORST HITLER
You're comparing animal abusers with a race?
Jesus Christ. :I
A female dog will often buck her hips as a male penetrates or even just licks/noses her in the area. Nothing in her body language shows she's trying to avoid sexual contact, but rather enjoys the attention. A male dog... That should be a no brainer. As someone who has worked for a breeder and rescue I can certainly say that it's very obvious the male dog is getting pleasure out of it.
And it's not because animals are dumb that they cannot speak human language.. That's like saying humans are dumb because they cannot speak dog, cat, etc. No, it's because their mouths, tongues, and vocal chords do not support such a refined language. It's not because they're stupid, they are ill-equipped. Much like a human would be ill-equipped for their tongue to reach the bottom of a small bucket without a muzzle.
You're incorrect, partially, on the idea that some animals will "always" give positive body language. If their master is harming them, making them feel uncomfortable, or other negative feelings, they will show it. However, some just won't show it in a violent form. If an animal is being hurt/scared/uncomfortable and does not become violent then they become stiff, rigid and unmoving. A lot of people fail to realize this. Just because an animal isn't becoming violent doesn't mean it's giving off a positive body language. That form of language goes much further than spoken words, but most people just do not understand it as much as they should, dogfucker or not.
And animals do partake in interspecies sex... And not necessarily from the same branch of the tree. I've seen dogs have sex with pigs, moose have sex with rocks, elephants with rhinos, gazelle with zebra, cats with rabbits. Not necessarily all with penetration, but in most cases they were actually trying to achieve penetration. I know the difference between dominance humping and humping to have sex. Dominance humping, the genitals will be up and over the back, above the tail. This ensures that the marked scent will be obvious saying "Sonso is higher than me." Humping to have sex, the genitals will be lined up, and the males' genitals will be prodding for an entrance.
** Please note that while I am a zoosexual, I DO NOT CONDONE THE ACT! I cannot help what or who I am attracted to or by, but I CAN help whether I act upon that attraction or not. I am happily married to a spouse who accepts this fact, and supports me everyday. Once again, I don't condone the act of having sex with animals, nor do I defend those who do. I'm only here to relay some of the facts and knowledge I've learned over the years about animals either from Zoology courses or simply by observing animals I worked with or lived with or otherwise watched documentaries/videos/etc of.
It's almost poetic.
but you're right. ^_^
thanks for correcting me
no sir it isnt.
They cannot understand that they could get infections or irritations that are painful. They cannot understand that there are psychological ramifications stemming from the act itself. They do not have the thought processes in place to understand that they must avoid feeling like they are now the dominant in the relationship, (since the act of coitus reinforces the social heirarchy in canids,) and still listen to you. A dog cannot look at those factors and make an informed choice.
Every time we make the choice to have sex, we have weigh certain factors against other certain factors. We do this fairly unconciously, but I know even now, in a committed relationship that's gone on for years, I still weigh my options before enagaging. There's a chance of a second pregnancy, for instance, that I might want to take certain precautions against. Animals can't do that. They're unaware of what a 'risk' is. If they cannot understand, they cannot say yes, and if they cannot say yes, it's rape. You cannot try to logic that away. Not that you're doing a good job of that anyway.
we've proven him wrong time and time again and he just will not SHUT UP
XD
some people are really stupid
For those who argue "animals are sexual so it's ok" should think about that statement more. Humans are sexual even if they are extremely impaired mentally does that then mean it's right to get them to consent to something they don't understand. Hell an extremely impaired person might even enjoy what was happening. But that's still a huge abuse of power to take advantage of anyone/animal out of their own ignorance or inability to fully understand.
Most people, even those who might have an attraction sexually to animals/children/the impaired still morally believe it is WRONG to act on it. A human does not have to act on a sexual impulse, nor for many things should they. Any one with self control can choose not to act on an impulse.
Abuse is abuse is abuse and saying it's super special because of this or that factor does not make it any less of an abuse.
All I can picture now is a sad horse with eye boogies. :<
I love horses, they're awesome. :o Except when you're trying to take pictures of their faces and they turn around.. and poop. :< That's not awesome. </3
I have some pictures of the horses we have here on the resort, would you like to see them? :D
I'll note it! <3
I'm saddened by people tho think if the animal didn't want it then they would bite or kick. Animals have less intelligence than a person who is considered "retarded". Now some people have attractions to grown adults who are not all there mentally, but I think we can all agree that just because the individual being used could hit the person using them or that they could say yes not fully understanding the situation that it's still and abuse of power.
So yeah I have no problem with people who are attracted to animals but ffs, any one with self control can choose not to act on an impulse.
Animals don't mate because it feels great, because they love each other, feeling of momentary lust or whatever other reason we humans come up with to fuck something. Animals mate after selecting the appropriate, healthy partner in order to breed and keep their species going on. They don't conceive sex the same way humans do.
Animal fuckers are one of the worst and most immature, agressive kind of people I've seen around. They keep pulling straws in order to try and justify their need to hump the puppy, and are very easy to piss off when you prove them wrong.
I had issues with one dog diddler when I called him out on his denial and shown snapshots someone else posted where he admitted of having sex with animals, dude totally freaked out and began calling me out on his journal, coming up with immature excuses and leaving trolling comments and shouts on my pages.
There's also 15,000 different species that have been documented engaging in homosexual activity. That's not for procreation, is it?
Proved you wrong. Don't get pissed off. :)
There's no "body language", it's just one's idiotic excuse to screw the said animal. Same way pedos say "that kid was seducing me" when they are caught after raping a kid.
Obviously, you know nothing about intellegence in animals.
Sex with animals, abusive or not, was never approved nor it will be. Get over it.
If you thought there was such a difference as you continue to state, you would not jump to conclusions like this.
Despite the difference of opinions, it is still considered animal abuse and therefore is illegal. Even if you or anyone else believes it is natural, public society has deemed it wrong.
is he still replying? because if he is, I love how he answered what I had to say...
I'm pretty sure you've already seen it
...... wait... what the fuck. Where is horses and dogs there? A bonobo is a primate... and a dolphin is an aquatic mammal.. that's very strange. I assumed all animals had sex for pleasure! That's what zoophiles keep telling everybody.
I think this Hermie guy needs to take some classes in psychology, sociology and zoology cause he's making an ass out himself via ignorance.
Haha that actually puts them in a whole new light, thank you for that. I thought it was just weird mindless sex
Yes, but definition the OP shoulda just TT'd the submission (Which because it is originally created content, it will probably stay on FA no problem) but regardless, every party here is in the wrong. I'm not gonna state my opinions on anything said here because i'm simply not involved/
It's like a ritual or something.
Making a joke.
The journal poster is a stupid bitch that can't mind her own buisness. So let's see how they like it. :)
Just proves my point about dogfuckers:
-they will find any excuse or so called fact to defend their "God given right" to have sex with animals.
-they will deny their activities, even when shown legit proof, if they are posting on a site where it's prohibited.
-they will keep pulling straws when proven wrong.
-Once they run out of straws to pull they will begin to insult anyone disagreeing with them and act immaturely.
2. I have only presented facts.
3. I'm just returning the insults that are given.
2. Facts that still don't give rights to people to fuck animals. It has always been immoral and wrong.
3. Read no. 1 again and think. No one insulted you, just the fact you are defending dogfuckers makes you look like one of them because having sex with animals was and never will be approved of by people with some sane mind and common sense.
And if someone did insult you, there's no need to return fire. If you really were more mature you would ignore the insults.
2. I never said anything about rights, or whether people should have sex with animals.
3. Go back and read through the comments. I can also send you the PMs the OP sent. There was insults directed at me.
I tend to enforce the Golden Rule by giving people back what they give. It's a rather nasty habit that leads to things like this, but it's very effective at getting people to think for a moment.
Not to mention it's just disgusting and they're fucking idiots.
See the original comment: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/469...../#cid:34949742
(even if you draw creepy clowns and you avatar will give me the night mares D8)
nooooooo
WOOF MEANS YES.
HE SAYS YES YES
why are people so stupid.
ps gee i sure do hope Hermie stops spamming this thread with replies to EVERYONE THAT COMMENTS
May I suggest a blender next time.
c:
I do agree
personally, not my cup of tea but I'm not one to condemn something just because I'm not into it myself or just because it's taboo. I still don't feel like I have enough information to fully take a stance, but at this point I'm at least convinced that it may not always be a bad thing.
bottom line, HAVE YOU a REAL argument against humans having sex with animals? I would really, sincerely like to hear it. but unless you actually have some idea what you're talking about, and you're not just relying on your feelings, then we're done here.
are you just pulling this out of your ass
really it seems like you are
we'd be SO far ahead
Dogs, horses, and most any other animal any dogfucker would get his hands on are genetically predispositioned towards obedience to humans. Domestication is a process of mentally retarding full emotional development in an animal, leaving it in a 'puppylike" state it's entire life. This way, horses and dogs are far more inclined to look to us as parents or as an authority figure, allowing for obedience and trainability. Thus we can do things that animals do not like, such as trim toenails, express anal glands, perform dressage movements, etc etc. A dog holding still for his nails being clipped, or a horse holding still for a hoof trim, is an act of submission. A dog being encouraged to hump it's owner is a sign of dominance among other things, and can confuse the dog and make it dangerous for the owner and any humans the owner comes into contact with, as the dog now sees the human as his equal or as his property, and sees no reason to listen to the owner. He could get into something you don't want him getting into, and good luck trying to stop him. Physically, infections and irritation are very likely, since your ass and your dog's business are not designed to make contact, and the dog cannot understand that these are concequences of having sex with you. If he cannot understand the concequences, he cannot consent. Therefore, it is rape and abuse.
...gawd, I hate that I even typed all that. -____- But I am curious about the response, since the common argument is that it confuses the dog, dominance-wise, so I don't know how basically enforcing your dominance would be confusing.
Anal rape might not lead to dominance issues, that's true. But vaginally or anally raping a dog would be A) unbearably painful for the dog, and B) lead to all kinds of nasty and painful infections and irritations, since dog buttholes and human dicks were not designed to make contact. Either way you slice it, it's just not a good idea. C:
for the love of god please tell me you don't think this is a reasonable line of thought to condone raping and abusing an animal for a sexual fetish
but no I don't condone raping animals, I never said anything that could even give anyone the idea that I'm ok with that, and in fact clearly said the opposite. rape is wrong.
and I have read there is some debate on whether zoophilia should be considered an orientation, rather than a fetish.
look, I have said plenty of times in my comments, I'm not even necessarily FOR humans having sex with animals- I just think that in some cases it might be alright. I'm not going to condemn something just because I'm not into it myself or just because it's taboo.
let me make this perfectly clear: I AM AGAINST ANIMAL ABUSE OF ANY KIND
but I have been given reasonable arguments that support the idea that a human can have sex with an animal without hurting it at all, and until someone gives me a good, REASONABLE, intelligent argument against it (with facts that support their claims), my position is still "neutral"
bottom line IF YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME SEX WITH ANIMALS IS WRONG, YOU MUST PROVIDE GOOD REASONS AND CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS YOUR POSITION. OTHERWISE, DON'T REPLY TO ME.
and they understand sex
I felt the same way until recently, that's actually how it started for me, I made a comment on a submission here asking if the people viewing the image were at home fucking their pets. but then I gave it some real thought.
Please note that I never once mentioned the bestiality issue in my previous comment, the stuff I read was purely on intelligence/comprehension, and the possibilities of cross-species comparison. No 'emotionally-charged opinions'. I'm not about to look up anything relating to bestiality on the shop's computer, something tells me that wouldn't go over well with the boss man.
Best thing to do, take a little time, even just an hour or two, and research intelligence/comprehension studies and the cross-species comparison debate. Just be sure to use credible sources.
I do take slight offence, however, to the fact that you're assuming that I just jumped into this without thinking, and that my comments are merely 'emotionally charged opinions'.
also my mistake for assuming you were talking about bestiality, the topic of this thread.
and I'm not trying to be a dick or just win arguments, either, I just think that a lot of people are going by "wisdom of repugnance" here. I was disgusted by the idea of humans having sex with animals up until only recently, the same way I imagine straight people feel about men having sex with other men. I'm a firm believer in exceptions..pretty much :)
2. She's a bitch for publicly accusing someone of being a "dogfucker" and alienating them.
YOU FAIL! GOOD DAY, SIR!
HE took the picture.
HE made the demotivational border.
You fail at life. :)
Give it up. You're only making yourself look like a bigger idiot.
Learn some fucking basic biology, then get back to me. You're pathetic."
"Yes, animals DO have the conciousness to make those decisions. Ever been around a horse? They'll kick you if they don't like what you're doing. There are people out there that have sex with horses. Obviously, if the horse didn't like it, they'd kick.
You're fucking retarded. "
Also interspecies breeding is exceedingly rare in the wild. Most of it is done in captivity with the animals not given a choice in the matter.
Original comment: "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONSENSUAL SEX BETWEEN ANIMALS AND HUMANS BECAUSE ANIMALS CANNOT GIVE CONSENT.
Are you fucking serious? You're scum."
My reply:
"You're fucking stupid. So, any sex between animals at any time is always rape? You apparently don't understand the meaning of "body language."
Learn some fucking basic biology, then get back to me. You're pathetic."
So, you belive that animals have no conscousness at all, and don't respond negatively to negative stimuli. You're fucking retarded.
That never gets old, does it?
You are the worst kind of human."
My FACTUAL reply: "Yes, animals DO have the conciousness to make those decisions. Ever been around a horse? They'll kick you if they don't like what you're doing. There are people out there that have sex with horses. Obviously, if the horse didn't like it, they'd kick.
You're fucking retarded."
You obviously don't know a damn thing about animal intellegence. I've spent my entire life around animals, and yes, they are conscious beings. To think otherwise is to ignore reality.
Oh btw ABs don't rape their diapers. :3
2. The horse says "no" by kicking the person behind it. Flagging their tail is a "yes." I've been around horse breeding, and my family owns a few. Animals CAN and DO communicate.
3. Rape is never "ok."
This whole thing started from the OP's unnecessary comments on another user's submission, which I called her on.
But don't you think it's hypocritical for someone of one taboo fettish to be demeaning another taboo fettish?
Think about that one.
"Animals do not have the consciousness to make the decision to fuck a human."
This statement is false. I explained why it is false. Nothing more.
sick sick sick" -http://www.buzzfeed.com/julieb2/adu.....potty-3nnw-lzf
http://blogs4brownback.wordpress.co.....ental-illness/
:)
Point being, you have no right to judge others when you yourself engage in a fetish that others deem sick.
Or no, I will realize that it's not everyone's cup of tea and ignore the people who hate it. They want nothing to do with it, fine. Dogfuckers don't give their pets that choice.
BTW using those sites as ammo against me is funny. That second link also says that furries and goths are mentally ill, so are you really holding stock in what they say?
It's this one:
"Obviously, if the horse didn't like it, they'd kick."
My statement:
There are many many cases where a person doesn't even SAY "no" or push another person away when they are being forced into having sex. This is rape, and even if the person doesn't push you away or outright say "no" that still does not make it okay.
I'm going to keep going until you can finally see your hypocrisy.
As for your second statement, I have every right to judge animal rapists. I don't care if it's someone's fetish as long as they don't act on it, same goes with pedophilia because as long as no animals, children, or anyone for that matter, is getting hurt or abused I don't care what people jerk off to. Do you judge people who rape other humans, molest children, or torture and murder them for sexual gratification? By your logic we shouldn't, because that's just their fetish!
Once again, if you've been around horses, you would know they let you know very well if they don't like what you're doing.
This is very true (and factual!)
Abuse is never okay. But not all cases of bestiality are abuse. Some of it, believe it or not, is consentual. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just stating the FACTS.
I feel sorry for any pet you've ever owned if you can't even understand them.
Do you realize how fucking ignorant you're being?
Ignorant? What?
Ignore reality all you want, but no matter how much you want to, you cannot change the truth.
And no no no, you cannot gain consent from an animal. You might think that because Rover has a boner that he consents to fucking you, but you'd be wrong. If he can't tell you explicitly that he wants to fuck you then you should stay the fuck away from his dick, and keep him away from yours. That's like saying "Oh she was flirting with me and acting sexy, so it's okay if I fuck her even is she doesn't say yes."
Do you realize how fucking ignorant you're being?
You're so fucking delusional. You might as well check yourself into a mental hospital.
EXACTLY MY FUCKING POINT. ANIMALS USE BODY LANGUAGE, AS DO HUMANS.
Understand yet, or are you still going to wallow in your delusion?
However, there are others who have engaged in consentual sexual activity with horses, both male and female. I do not condone it, but it has been done.
Doesn't say anything about fucking dogs. It only claims that animals are not conscious, intellegent beings, which is false.
Seriously, you need to learn how to read and actually UNDERSTAND what you're reading.
I'm not sure who you copied that statement from, but it wasn't me thankyouverymuch.
I never said they aren't concsious, intelligent beings. I said that humans cannot communicate with them on equal terms, therefore they cannot gain consent.
You need to learn how to not be wrongwrongwrong, and also how to not keep saying the dogfucking is awwright.
Your assumption that animals cannot communicate on equal terms is incorrect.
You've had pets. Can you recognize when they're telling you they want something?
I've done my share of horse training. I've learned to read animals VERY well. They CAN and DO communicate.
Do you give your animals everything they want? One of my cats wants to be fed treats 24/7, and will fight to the death to get to processed lunch meats. Do I do this because he wants it? No, I recognize that it's not good for him, and it would be wrong of me to do something detrimental to him.
Animals DO NOT have intelligence equivalent to humans. They can be intelligent, yes, but not on the same level as us (well, most of us. You, however...) therefore you cannot gain full consent. A mentally handicapped person or a child might want you to fuck them, but would you? I mean, they can totally give consent, right?
I don't give my cat everything it wants, but I've learned what types of food she likes and doesn't like based on her reactions.
Wrong again. Dolphins actually show a level of intellegence HIGHER than humans. Even the common raven are toolmakers. Wolves vocally and non-vocally communicate hunting strategies and pack positions. There is far more intellegence in animals than you give credit.
Sex is something extremely basic, and doesn't require a high IQ to determine if you want it or not. Your personal lack of animal knowledge doesn't mean someone else can pick up on another animal's body language.
And although you are not defending "dogfucking" you are really pushing the idea that animals CAN and DO provide "consent".
Consent is not just the right to engage in sex with an animal. Consent also means to "yeild to" and "comply with". Sub animals WILL "consent" to a more dominant animal having sex with it. This still doesn't mean it WANTS to engage in sex. It just means that it's a natural reaction.
The unfortunate part is that this comes across to humans as "my (animal) wants to/like to have sex with me." when the case may just be that it sees you as dominant and/or is just having a knee-jerk reaction to its own primal nature.
You're so fucking blind it's pathetic. A brick wall can understand me better than you.
I tend to dislike people who think animals are stupid, mindless things. Animals have FAR more intellegence than people give them credit for.
You never answered my question, by the way. If animals can indeed give consent, then why is it wrong to fuck them?
http://www.petsex.com/movie/23375/dog_fucks_woman
Notice the dog is on TOP. Do you REALLY think that's forced?
NOTE: THIS IS NOT CONDONING BESTIALITY. DO NOT BE A RETARD AND TAKE IT AS SUCH.
Im sure there are cases were animals initiate the sexual act, that doesnt surprise me at all. But we, AS HUMANS should know better than to engage with those sexual acts. I should not have to say why, because you already know that (hence why you also do not condone it).
Im not watching that! Thanks for the NSFW warning! :D
I wonder who took their clothes off and set up a camera for this act? Certainly not the dog.
Peanut butter goes a long way!
http://www.petsex.com/movie/23375/dog_fucks_woman
Looks consentual to me, especally with the dog on top.
Just do some fucking research.
I realize animals are highly intelligent, but not in the same way that homo sapiens are. They aren't sapient- they are more instinctual...Which is why people who have trouble controlling themselves are quick to assume that they are equivalent to animals and that all humans are bad ju ju.
I am not defending animal sex. I am simply disproving incorrect statements. I have said this repeatedly.
I don't know how many fucking times I have to say it for you morons to understand.
Speak to any Widlife Biologist or Zoologist and they'll ALL agree with me.
Go try training horses- you'll learn quick or get killed.
It's no longer "consent," but "INFORMED consent."
It is rape every single time a girl loses her virginity and didn't know that breaking their hymen hurts and bleeds? No. You fail.
What?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informed_consent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informed_consent
im just loving your comments, ignore me if I am being annoying c:
AND I KNEW
Wait what is that? Is that... a commercial item? Why I believe it is!
You must be retarded... I already said quite clearly why that doesn't fit.
Now do you understand, or is it still to hard of a concept for you ro grasp?
Give it up. I've already completely proven you wrong.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/File:Dolphin.gif
XD
http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/.....titled-1-1.jpg
HI I IS A FURRY I HAVE MAN DICK AND DOG FACE COME SEX ME NOW OR I WILL UNLOAD DRAMA ON YOU.
Let people live how they want to, if they want charlie their dobbie or sugar-pop the pony to mount them, then let them. its their life, not yours, obviously, there are some, who hurt the animals, and don't do it with there "consent" shit, just present, if they show interest, its fine, if not, then you shouldn't do it.
Alot of you realllllly need to step out of the box because your for one, bringing crap up thats not even what this is about, and two your points don't have facts, and your research is really downhill because you don't have a brain whatsoever.
really, their life. not yours, they aren't sticking their dick in your chihuahua, and they aren't doing it in your house, or making you watch, its not of your business, stay on topic. :l learn to read.
You're a horsefucker!
You know exactly what I'm talking about, too. Don't make me copy and paste it here. :)
Saw your evidence on Furrydrama. Horrendous.
Congratulations for uploading one of the most entertaining journals ever. How people can compare the struggles of gay rights to people's right to fuck animals is comedy gold.
give me some sort of satisfaction LINK ME 8D
i dunno i just like to know about drama :X
...get off your ass and get a job with the RSPCA or the police etc and do something to stop people who ACTUALLY DO those things and stop sitting on your ass behind a computer screen bitching about somebody you think might be doing something.
I believe it's none of your business whether somebody does it or not unless it is YOUR animal or they are doing it in front of your face.
Sorry if you think abuse and rape is fine so long as you don't see it, but a lot of us just don't feel the same :C
Wow, seriously??
I don't draw porn of my character. So calling me a hypocrite is pretty much null and void.
Secondly, I simply told one guy to not talk to me because I did not wish to associate with someone who was into bestiality.
Speaking of "judging a book" it kind of freaks me out that your favorites are full of pictures of dogs and yet you're basically saying "Hey, if people want ti fuck dogs, it's cool with me, just as long as it isn't MY dog."
I can't believe people like you exist.
I especially enjoyed the part where somehow dog humping your leg = he wants you to fuck him.
Though...................that's stupid, considering that for dogs, especially females, mounting is more a display of dominance than anything else LOL
It's just what you said, dominance. But these people who "KNOW DURGGS AND DURG SYCOLOGIY" don't know anythng
Hanging.
Also, nice argument with "It's not your dog, so why should you care?". Yes, don't concern yourself with animal abuse or anything. I mean, it's not like it's your business if an animal gets hurt or not.
But I will have my say; it's not right for anyone to engage in any sexual conduct with any creature of non-sentience, including and excluding humans themselves(for instance, children or persons with handicaps disabling them to convey consent).
If it can't be a proven consensual among both, it's not consensual at all.
I found it on the wikipedia.
A gay man (or woman or anyone who doesn't define themselves as either gender) has a clear thought that they DO want to have sex with another person, processes this thought, and willingly does so =/= an animal who cannot form and vocalize the word "no" in whatever language the degenerate rapist speaks. Sorry. Nope.
Two (or more!) people have the complete thought to do something deemed "improper" by whatever group of people who live by another set of moral rules, process these thoughts, and then complete the action of... whatever. Bondage, anal sex, flogging, humiliation, watersports... WTFever... this =/= imposing yourself upon an animal in a sexual manner. Even if that animal cannot shred you to tiny pulled pork sized pieces to get your creepy ass away from them.
Consenting + considered immoral by people who just simply do not agree with you =/= forcing your sex acts upon something that can't say no in a way that your bargain basement defect pile brain can comprehend.
But as for the furry porn = dog fucker?
With exception to those with a rape fantasy, the idea of two fictional furry characters fucking being equal to a human fucking an animal is ludicrous. Anthropomorphism is applying human characteristics to animals. Your anthro character has the brain capacity to do things like consent, know right from wrong, etc. These characters speak like humans, act like humans, some of them dress like humans... if an 8 foot tall anthro bear can complete the thoughts needed to put on a tacky pair of spandex pants, they can also complete the thoughts needed to say yes or no to bumpin uglies. Your neighbor's collie cannot. Sorry.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1819199/
read her reply to the dude's comment.
This person also has recolored Neopets art in their gallery, but say "I never said I claimed it I just uploaded it go troll somewhere else". yup.
& in b4 the "if the dog didn't like it, he wouldn't look happy and be wagging his tail" argument. That's also bullshit because if they've ever seen dogfighting documentaries, the dogs are almost always wagging their tails. HURR I GUESS THEY LIKE FIGHTING.
if a dog can consent, a mentally disabled person can consent.
Ears are up, tail up and wagging and he's got a smile on his face.
That's the only time I ever see him happy. He's a weird dog in general though, he was abused by a previous owner.
Wagging tail also spreads the scent of the dog around for other dogs
IF THE DOG DOESNT SCREAM WHEN YOU BITE HIS PENIS HE LIKE IT
i bet her friend had originally wanted to get fucked by a horse
then decided s/he didn't like the experience
and now calls it rape
and wtf is up with "its not your dog! why should you care!!!!one"
so if someone is beating/rapeing there children i should just accept that's there "life choice" and NOT call CPS...How bout' a big ol' round of HELL FUCKIN NO
also I love how he ignores the "why do animals stand unfighting and get beat to death does that mean they WANT to be beatin to death?"
thank you..this has given me much amusement this morning,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA STILL WON'T GIVE UP
I think he should take his own advice and step back, look in a mirror and calm the fuck down.
All I even called him out on was comparing dogfucking to homosexuality, lol.
Look 'it 'em go! Like the little engine that could. But will never.
Also: SOMETIMES MY DOG PUTS THEIR BUTT IN THE AIR SAYIN AAAAYO, PLEASE POUND IT♫
That's clearly a sign of sentience and that obviously means they are asking for it.
And man, if someone argues "WE GIVE ANIMALS SHOTS THAT THEY DO NOT WANT" I'ma laugh. I should hope I needn't explain it. :T
Seriously >:T I will punch myself in the face if that guy uses that excuse.
Just have to think happy thoughts about all the great friends and good times the fandom has brought me and pretend the dogfuckers don't exist; if only they were like fairies where if you didn't believe in them they will disappear :c
Longest comment chain on FA. B|
Dog Fuckers
Dog Fuckers
DOGFUUUUUUUUCKERRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSS
HUAH
WHAT IS ALL THIS FUCKERY?!?!?!
I read nearly ALL of it, that guy just WON'T GIVE UP
And hes not a dog fucker, OH no.
HES A HORSE FUCKER.
Jesus god I seen what the person sent about him on Bad Dragon
I nearly wanted to puke and cry
The dense tiger girl is just that-- dense. Plus she's already started hiding her own comments here and running away so I doubt she'll get a ban. Just a horrible reputation. :3
And that's totally why you posted one of the most retarded journals I have ever seen trying to "prove a point" by linking to bestiality-related "articles" about a prank call some dude made to police about being raped by a wombat, a flat-out made up story about some drunk dude getting fucked by a dog on the side of a road and I didn't even bother to read the last one the minute I realized its source was a site called Retard Zone, and then proceeded to argue that by the logic of "us people" a prostitute of another language was incapable of consent and therefore having sex with that prostitute constituted as rape.
And then of course you proceeded to delete every comment that didn't agree with you blatant retardation.
Backpedal harder, princess-- This is hilarious to watch.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1821655/
You can delete the whiny pity-me journal, I highly doubt you're going to be banned. You're stupid, but you at aren't stupid enough to have started to try to defend your point of view by posting links to bestiality porn in the comments here, which is what our little Hermie-dearest got banned for.
her friend probably shouldnt have taken his clothes off and inserted an erect horse cock into his ass
i have no pity for her friend
I noticed this XD
Jesus, wow that one dude, Hermie
WHAT A CREEPER @n@
I did comment her journal though
And told her why everyone was "hating" on her cause she didn't "realize" :/
Too much stupid in one day for my sleep-deprived brain to handle, first with Hermie, and I'm -still- reeling from that journal she'd posted about the dude prank-calling the cops about being raped by a wombat or whatever and her comment to Hermie under it going "IF THEY'D JUST READ THE ENTIRE PAGE THEY'D SEE THE TRUTH" or whatever it was...
Hoo boy, time to go lie down. 8C
I was wondering the same shit myself
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1821655/
I don't understand.
If her friend was RAPED and had to undergo EXTENSIVE surgery, why does she DEFEND IT.
LOL
So I wrote Midnight AND the admin she cry babied too a long message that was legit and she hid all of them and then blocked me.
:/
OH WELL~
Okay I knew MT was fucking stupid but I didn't know she was this full-on retarded.
he is a horseFISTER
get it right
SAYING THE WRONG THINGS UUUUGH
HOW DARE I
XD
the disgusting comments on pet photos is one of the things that grinds my gears the most. Just because they might look at a dog and their brain computes it as a sex toy, does not mean they should be creeping on people's family members. [yes I consider my pets family members lol]
he got banned 8D
Have you seen the thread he made over on FAF? xD It's locked now, but it was SO FUNNY for a bit there. Like when he claims that he only posted those things on the Bad Dragon Forums "for a laugh".
well
i will be the first to admit i'm wrong when i'm wrong
he wasn't a dogfucker.
he was a HORSEfucker.
god what a sick fuck
I saw the posts he'd made on BDF and I actually had to turn off my laptop, go to the bathroom and throw up.
And then I had to go back, turn my laptop on and gets caps of everything, just because it seemed necessary. Dude's a freaking creeper.
The fun part was fishing out all the MURRR MARES comments out from all of the posts talking about fucking his fiancee and begging chicks on the site to masturbate on webcam with him. x.x
i knew he had to have some fucking reason he was defending bestiality so fucking hard
im so glad he got banned
I'm in love with this journal bros c:
holy crap, they're at it again.... :C
"- Bestiality
Now, I have a very strong opinion on this. I believe that so long as you do not force the animal to do something sexual (I.E. hold in down, tie it up) nor do you be unrealistic (I.E. having sex with an animal that is too small such as a small dog) nor do you use any drugs (I.E. inject the animal, give the animal pills) bestiality is ok. People use the "It's abuse no matter what" argument, but really, explain to me how bending over and letting a dog fuck you, or having sex with a mare (An animal that is used to getting cock muuuuuch bigger than a humans) is abusing the animal"
It's okay to stick your cock in a mare because they're probably just laughing at your small penis AMIRITe?
what a sick fuck god
seriously, what is wrong with these people?
and is this the same guy?
Whoa golly.
Every time I sign on to FA I get a little bit more sad and disappointed. Just imagine how many animals are getting regularly abused just going by how many animal diddlers there are on this site alone, which isn't even the tip of the iceberg.
fuck