Hear my sad tale of internet drama
14 years ago
ugh FA, I have become the victim of a poor, disturbed, obsessed woman on dA.
For a while, she has watched me and posted comments such as "lovelly :hug:" "I love this :heart: :huggle:", which I dismissed as being yet another ditz, fine, whatever. Her page was.. IS full of weird poser stuff (okay I never like Poser so I might be biased) and photos of her naked self wearing body paint and elf ears, with photoshopping from the 90ies. WELL TO EACH THEIR OWN, I said, okay, maybe I giggled a little. We have all seen our share of bad taste on dA, hm?
But then she started getting... sticky.
A few weeks ago she persisted to attempt to post an image of hers to a club I have with Glaucer, and as I was not sure it really fit in our rules and theme, I wanted Glaucer's opinion but since he doesn't have internet lately, it expired. She kept reposting the picture, very persistently and often before the former copy expired, and in the end asking what was up, so I told her, and she accepted that. Well so she's a little insisting. Nothing wrong with that. The image ended up being denied because the club is safe for all ages, and the image was naked and had sexual messages. It was also full of message crap which we also did not like.
Fast forward to this Monday, she had apparently found an article about meowing aliens, and had recorded herself meowing on youtubes. She tweeted this, and then came to my userpage to say:
Meow purr purr :heart: :hug: (hint my two top twitter linkies) :heart:
My defences went straight up.
I said Excuse me??? she explained what she wanted me to check out, I explained that: My apologies, but I am not interested in reading your Twitter, and I find it more than a little inappropriate that you just waltz in here and start advertising yourself.
She said my response was hurtful, she really loves my space elves and identify with one of them a lot, but since her weird behaviour had disturbed me I had talked over it with some friends, who decided to join in to tell her that she wasn't being nice, but they also told her what a weirdo she is (listen, you all here are probably familiar with NOT getting on people's case for being furries and otherkin, yes?), and she posted some text walls and blocked them. I had stopped responding at this point, I PM'ed her to try to tell her not to post like that (the sort of LOOK AT ME!!! posts) and made a journal to my friends, saying they shouldn't be trolling commenters on my page like that.
Things seemed to calm down, she had posted another image to the club which I found acceptable, and I resolved that. The approval resulted in her posting a sparkly THANK YOU! comment on my userpage and I thought: Ooooookay, it's just a club, not a gift.
In the meanwhile, she made a poll denigrating the club Glaucer and I have, and proceeded to make very much a clone club, just allowing sex, Poser and nude photos of herself - self importance much?
The PM came back, it was very snuggly huggly lovey, I told her the club felt like a direct attack, that she was awkwardly upsetting, I told her to back off, like seriously "I don't know you, you're a random stranger on the internet!" and she replies, I quote
I prefere using the term internet friends rather than strangers :heart:
She also buys me a 1 month subscription around this time - as an apology for her bad behaviour or something (I later got a slight sob story that it was her food money).
She suddenly subscribes to my androgyny forum, and the genderqueerotica club I have art in, both in her interest but both ones she should've been aware of for a year or so.
It's well into Tuesday by now, I do some googling after sending my last PM and find she has an ED article (now deleted for an unstated reason), but the talk page is intact and what I read is harrowing, she is obsessed with aliens, free love, at war with "conformists" (teh enemy) and replies to drama endlessly. Makes blogs about people answering her back negatively makes her suicidal. I decide to cut my losses and block her.
Did you think it ended here? No way, man.
Somehow she figures out she can message me via the club system, and sends an invite to her club (as co-founder nonetheless), in the notice puts like "oh my notes are broken, I can't seem to reply!", and after she sends a couple of them I buckle, unblock her for long enough to send a PM and tell her I blocked her because she was acting like a stalker, told her to get out of my hair. Block her again (but in the small window, she managed to re-watch me so she must have been keeping tabs). Sent a ticket to dA helpdesk that it was possible for a blocked person to still send club invites and use them to get messages through.
She also managed to send a full PM to my club for me to read: Please give me a chance to explain myself (what is there to explain??), and that she felt like she would make me some gift art to make up for it or whatever. I thought OH GOD IT CONTINUES, but since I blocked her (blocks are two-sided) I couldn't even respond to it and tell her not to, so I said fuck it, let her wallow in ...whatever, I have stuff to do (and I do indeed have stuff to do). I got a few more club invites, she tried to add some of my art but I refuted so she just added it via favourites. I banned her from my club, and added her club to my block list (I don't know if that works but yeah).
This was kind of stressful for me and I ended up getting to bed too late from that shit so I've only slept 6 hours, I can deal with that, if it wasn't for a deadline I have on Tuesday, one which I have procrastinated, and been sick, and it's getting pretty tight now.
I paid her club an anonymous visit today to find she had indeed started her gift art, a strange green poser copy of my space elf Waan which doesn't even look like em. All 3 WIP shots had sections of my drawing on the side, presumably held there as reference. But it gave me evidence to report it.
So I did.
WIP for gift art for :devtigr3ss:
One of my favourites of her work...
Why ?
Love has no borders nor boundaries... life is short...
A gift that is worth more than anything as it is a value of consciousness...
Background will have one of my best stock photos
(the WIP picture descriptions)
So this is where it stands now. My fault for getting into this mess is like.. that I draw elves? And this obsessed UFO cult person almost makes me ashamed to like space elves if it wasn't such a fucking huge theme. She reinterprets everything to her own idea (Räelian Elohim becomes her as a green elf, stranger becomes friend, no becomes yes) and I can't really communicate (I realized that tuesday) so I don't try. I have no desire to disturb an already disturbed person further, but...
FA, do I have a stalker?
I have screenshots and text logs for plenty of this
dA responded they would add club invites to the blockables.
My options are:
- Continue to ignore completely and attempt to not react.
- Ignore somewhat and report the 'gift art' - what I am doing now - and anything else I can let the dA system handle.
- Let my internet friends troll her as much as they bother
- Humiliate her publicly enough for her to hate me
- Revive her Encyclopædia Dramatica article.
- Give her another chance lolno she will be the cat you keep having to nudge off your lap and it keeps jumping up again. But seriously she took those chances and wasted them.
For a while, she has watched me and posted comments such as "lovelly :hug:" "I love this :heart: :huggle:", which I dismissed as being yet another ditz, fine, whatever. Her page was.. IS full of weird poser stuff (okay I never like Poser so I might be biased) and photos of her naked self wearing body paint and elf ears, with photoshopping from the 90ies. WELL TO EACH THEIR OWN, I said, okay, maybe I giggled a little. We have all seen our share of bad taste on dA, hm?
But then she started getting... sticky.
A few weeks ago she persisted to attempt to post an image of hers to a club I have with Glaucer, and as I was not sure it really fit in our rules and theme, I wanted Glaucer's opinion but since he doesn't have internet lately, it expired. She kept reposting the picture, very persistently and often before the former copy expired, and in the end asking what was up, so I told her, and she accepted that. Well so she's a little insisting. Nothing wrong with that. The image ended up being denied because the club is safe for all ages, and the image was naked and had sexual messages. It was also full of message crap which we also did not like.
Fast forward to this Monday, she had apparently found an article about meowing aliens, and had recorded herself meowing on youtubes. She tweeted this, and then came to my userpage to say:
Meow purr purr :heart: :hug: (hint my two top twitter linkies) :heart:
My defences went straight up.
I said Excuse me??? she explained what she wanted me to check out, I explained that: My apologies, but I am not interested in reading your Twitter, and I find it more than a little inappropriate that you just waltz in here and start advertising yourself.
She said my response was hurtful, she really loves my space elves and identify with one of them a lot, but since her weird behaviour had disturbed me I had talked over it with some friends, who decided to join in to tell her that she wasn't being nice, but they also told her what a weirdo she is (listen, you all here are probably familiar with NOT getting on people's case for being furries and otherkin, yes?), and she posted some text walls and blocked them. I had stopped responding at this point, I PM'ed her to try to tell her not to post like that (the sort of LOOK AT ME!!! posts) and made a journal to my friends, saying they shouldn't be trolling commenters on my page like that.
Things seemed to calm down, she had posted another image to the club which I found acceptable, and I resolved that. The approval resulted in her posting a sparkly THANK YOU! comment on my userpage and I thought: Ooooookay, it's just a club, not a gift.
In the meanwhile, she made a poll denigrating the club Glaucer and I have, and proceeded to make very much a clone club, just allowing sex, Poser and nude photos of herself - self importance much?
The PM came back, it was very snuggly huggly lovey, I told her the club felt like a direct attack, that she was awkwardly upsetting, I told her to back off, like seriously "I don't know you, you're a random stranger on the internet!" and she replies, I quote
I prefere using the term internet friends rather than strangers :heart:
She also buys me a 1 month subscription around this time - as an apology for her bad behaviour or something (I later got a slight sob story that it was her food money).
She suddenly subscribes to my androgyny forum, and the genderqueerotica club I have art in, both in her interest but both ones she should've been aware of for a year or so.
It's well into Tuesday by now, I do some googling after sending my last PM and find she has an ED article (now deleted for an unstated reason), but the talk page is intact and what I read is harrowing, she is obsessed with aliens, free love, at war with "conformists" (teh enemy) and replies to drama endlessly. Makes blogs about people answering her back negatively makes her suicidal. I decide to cut my losses and block her.
Did you think it ended here? No way, man.
Somehow she figures out she can message me via the club system, and sends an invite to her club (as co-founder nonetheless), in the notice puts like "oh my notes are broken, I can't seem to reply!", and after she sends a couple of them I buckle, unblock her for long enough to send a PM and tell her I blocked her because she was acting like a stalker, told her to get out of my hair. Block her again (but in the small window, she managed to re-watch me so she must have been keeping tabs). Sent a ticket to dA helpdesk that it was possible for a blocked person to still send club invites and use them to get messages through.
She also managed to send a full PM to my club for me to read: Please give me a chance to explain myself (what is there to explain??), and that she felt like she would make me some gift art to make up for it or whatever. I thought OH GOD IT CONTINUES, but since I blocked her (blocks are two-sided) I couldn't even respond to it and tell her not to, so I said fuck it, let her wallow in ...whatever, I have stuff to do (and I do indeed have stuff to do). I got a few more club invites, she tried to add some of my art but I refuted so she just added it via favourites. I banned her from my club, and added her club to my block list (I don't know if that works but yeah).
This was kind of stressful for me and I ended up getting to bed too late from that shit so I've only slept 6 hours, I can deal with that, if it wasn't for a deadline I have on Tuesday, one which I have procrastinated, and been sick, and it's getting pretty tight now.
I paid her club an anonymous visit today to find she had indeed started her gift art, a strange green poser copy of my space elf Waan which doesn't even look like em. All 3 WIP shots had sections of my drawing on the side, presumably held there as reference. But it gave me evidence to report it.
So I did.
WIP for gift art for :devtigr3ss:
One of my favourites of her work...
Why ?
Love has no borders nor boundaries... life is short...
A gift that is worth more than anything as it is a value of consciousness...
Background will have one of my best stock photos
(the WIP picture descriptions)
So this is where it stands now. My fault for getting into this mess is like.. that I draw elves? And this obsessed UFO cult person almost makes me ashamed to like space elves if it wasn't such a fucking huge theme. She reinterprets everything to her own idea (Räelian Elohim becomes her as a green elf, stranger becomes friend, no becomes yes) and I can't really communicate (I realized that tuesday) so I don't try. I have no desire to disturb an already disturbed person further, but...
FA, do I have a stalker?
I have screenshots and text logs for plenty of this
dA responded they would add club invites to the blockables.
My options are:
- Continue to ignore completely and attempt to not react.
- Ignore somewhat and report the 'gift art' - what I am doing now - and anything else I can let the dA system handle.
- Let my internet friends troll her as much as they bother
- Humiliate her publicly enough for her to hate me
- Revive her Encyclopædia Dramatica article.
- Give her another chance lolno she will be the cat you keep having to nudge off your lap and it keeps jumping up again. But seriously she took those chances and wasted them.
I wouldn't know any other reason it would be down though, ED allows everything
Pisses me off that ED is becoming full of pussies. They used to have awesome well informed articles
I think you should go about it whatever way makes you feel most comfortable. People like that can be amusing, but sometimes it's better to just not go there. 8I
I just wish she would take "leave me alone" as anything but an invitation to not do so.
Some people just don't know when to stop.
http://zananeichan.deviantart.com/j...../poll/1871656/ she makes this backhanded stuff about me :x where is the "you should probably give up" option?
BZZP BZZP WE ARE ZANANEICHAN, YOU WILL BE FRIENDED, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE
I'm not a doctor, but I do play one on TV, and this gal strikes me as being more than a little disturbed. I looked over her home page and the insistence on everyone being "one" and everyone getting along, and the dual obsession with intersex and erotica are ringing some warning bells that remind me of people I have dealt with before. It would almost be easier to have someone attack you in the usual way, rather than this unsettling clinginess.
Well I think she is intersexed or transgendered (she seems to have said both in same sentence, that can work) so her interest is not unusual or creepy for that - but her delusions for the rest are pretty clear to me, she even admitted in a PM that "time and reality" were blurry to her. Yes, clinginess is bad, especially when I personally am allergic to it, I only put up with it from very few people.
>I'm not a doctor, but I do play one on TV
This sort of clinginess, it's almost like she's trying to absorb you, or become you.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Your attempt at fraternising is irrelevant!
You are in error.
And a long lasting favourite; I DO NOT REQUIRE NUTRITION AT THIS TIME.
I don't know if I am worried, but it has taken up a lot of my time this week, it is amazing that she just doesn't take a block as a hint to shutting up, No, to her it means I need to be sent more love, asljaflkdjls. I tried hints (the "excuse me!"), direct NO!'s, blocks, and now I have to involve the dA moderators - beautiful.
Yeahhh, by now I am convinced otherkin is more a term we apply to furries etc. GONE BAD.
What a sad fgt,
how do you even rape a snake, don't tell me wtf
Well yes, and I accept people are fucked up sometimes, but it's a problem when they are fucked up ON you.
Well I have already mentioned names so: http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20.....om/Zananeichan NOT WORKSAFE - her?
Yess that is pretty funny, however it saddens me that many can't keep it out of the argument and stick to criticizing her actions alone. It's really not something I want to start hurting people about (also because I don't care about people's privates).
THIS.
I still can't get over how Zana flat out told KC that she was the "living embodiment" of KC's work- androgynous space elves, and all, yo. There's no way you can uncreepify that statement.
That and, when I called her a stalker - which incidentally made her stalk me even more.
She totally doesn't understand the sociopolitical depths to my species design, that they are an expression of feminism and socialism
As well as being anarchistic, nihilistic and sometimes violent, I don't think she subscribes to these things
Also what she sees in my Waan is a reflection of herself, ey is greenish white, she draws em green, eir face is angular and specific, but she sees and forms her own face instead. Green, like her own persona. So she is seeing herself. She is warping the ufo religion in the same way, Elohim are not described as elves but she makes them so.
She is the centre of the universe
Thanks!
space elfbullet for you any day. <3Damn.
You know, I think