125

athanks! :) *records*

wow ide maybe go for 200$ but still

well is there prints you would send in the mail?

If requested, I could :)

its extra?

probably not. :P Unless it was a ridiculous size that would cost a lot to print. :o

just a small size no not huge lol uhmm ill have to see cus i don't get paid tell the 25

Wish I had my references done! Good luck all.

:o I thought you'd have one by now. Weren't you looking for one for awhile now?

107

*grins*

Thanks! Got your number down! :)

Damn, that's enough for a 3DS and a game!

Eh, another time I guess, hopefully you'll open up more ArtRage-style pics. =)

That's pretty much what my artrage commissions are for. :) I know I have to charge a lot for these commissions that take a lot longer to do, but I do artrage commissions cause they're a lot quicker and it lets me share art with people who want more "affordable for everyone" commission prices. <=)

I'll have more in the future!

300? God damn.

I love you and all... Sweet dude. But not that much.

A lot of assholes charge way more for less quality though, I know.

I know it sounds like a lot to some, but basically, this is how I come up with that number:

I estimate the number of hours these take... and go for $15 an hour, which are hours that fit a "part time job" schedule... and considering what bills I have to pay to survive, it isn't really luxurious. :P

I get that it sounds like a lot to some, and I know I'm not being "money grubby" and I'm not trying to take advantage of anyone, and I know I can't say anything to prove to anybody that I'm not being "money grubby", so *shrug* it's people's prerogative to judge how they want. :) I'm not judging anyone else, I just understand that we all have different perspectives that make us interpret things differently :)

And it's sorta amusing cause I think if people heard that I was holding a part time job for $15 an hour, in California, I don't think anyone would bat an eye. :)

I listed it as $300 instead of "$15/hour" cause I was considering that any 'serious' commissioners would prefer an upfront price, without the sugar-coating, cause I know that's how I personally like to shop. :)

Yeah, normally $300 would be nothing for me, but I'm trying to be fiscally responsible and get out of debt, buy a car, and other such things I need to finally move out of my parents house.

I'll be watching for the next time you open for one of these and I'll probably be able to afford it at that time.

Hehe, well I appreciate the interest dude! :) Will of course have some eventually again in the future!

Goodluck moving out! :)

What exactly would be the reason you're in a dept if that's not a lot for you? lol

It's called student loans.

Well, at least you know not to buy porn when in debt.

It also comes down to this: how are you ripping someone off if they're willing to pay for it? You have the portfolio and reputation; there's no ripping to be had.

Wish I could participate, alas. My number will be 201! Nyah!

True. There's also that angle. :) People set their values on things. A vase can be worth $500 to one person, while the same vase can be worth $25 to someone else. :)

All I can say is, I can look at my bedroom wall at my Keto art, and be super-glad I paid what I did for it. Right above the bed, nice gold frame. Shiny, just like the bondage gear inside it!

Hehehe :3 That one was a lot of fun to draw! I felt like I was in front of the fireplace while doing that fireplace behind him! ;)

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I want something else to go with the "Up to No Good" shirt :)

Gotta pick a number between 1-200!

:o Did you ever show me a pic of you rocking that shirt? :)

So rocked, but terrible photo... will probably have  felesaerius take a better one at the end of the month. http://lockerz.com/profile/18603919.....hotos/63799369

Hahaha, nice! Your face looks almost grumpy on purpose to match! :)

oh! and yes, sorry, lol 1-200 :)

Did ya want 124?

Derp, yes, 124. Had 300 still on the brain from the cost.

Okay, 124!

You're like the third "nova" I know :o

What's more confusing is that  november and I live like 10 miles apart :D

HA! That's pretty funny :)

oh

300$? Hahahahaha.

Welcome to the professional world of pricing. People charge that much for a simple posters and advertisements. In the real world the price for his illustrations are cheap.
It's real prices with real talents out there. If you haven't been out there, then I wouldn't complain with mom's pocket money.

^ this :D

I dont mean to be inconsiderate when I copy and past this, but it feels like it would best explain:

"I know it sounds like a lot to some, but basically, this is how I come up with that number:

I estimate the number of hours these take... and go for $15 an hour, which are hours that fit a "part time job" schedule... and considering what bills I have to pay to survive, it isn't really luxurious. :P

I get that it sounds like a lot to some, and I know I'm not being "money grubby" and I'm not trying to take advantage of anyone, and I know I can't say anything to prove to anybody that I'm not being "money grubby", so *shrug* it's people's prerogative to judge how they want. :) I'm not judging anyone else, I just understand that we all have different perspectives that make us interpret things differently :) "

So basically, I'm trying to work for $15 an hour on part-time, living in California. <=)

Get a real job then. Art is not a job.

It's very much a real job. 25 per hour is on the low end of professional freelance. Is it a FUN job? Sure it can be. Is it a HARD job? Depends on the circumstances, no matter what though, it takes a lot of time. Like anyone else, artists spend years perfecting their craft.

What's your definition of a real job? I was a roofer for a couple years, I also was a custodian and maintenance for 10 years while going to school full time. Got my degree and I now do artwork for several companys. So what's a real job?

Drawing furry porn is not a real job.

Yes, it's a job because he's getting paid on an hourly basis for the CUSTOM ILLUSTRATION that happens to be FURRY ART. Your not a very smart fellow. It's common sense k thx.

No, it isn't. You're an idiot. A real job involves doing actual work, not idly scribbling animal dicks. k thx.

I agree, this is nothing but a disgusting display of laziness and greed.

15 dollars an hour, for art. Dear god, this guy must be fucking shitting me.

I don't even make $15 an hour at my job, which is far more physically demanding than doodling.

And how many years of college did you take in order to get that less-than-$15-an-hour job? None?

How about how many years of work it took to get perfect the craft of your job? None?

I get paid well more than $15 an hour to sit on my ass, make Excel spreadsheets and call people on the phone. Is it a hard job that's physically demanding, or even what someone would consider "hard"? Fuck no. But then again, I'm not being paid what I'm being paid because the job is hard, but for the work I put into getting my college degree and the expertise that allows me to do the job in the first place.

If you had an education or a real job, you might understand that people get paid for their knowledge, not necessarily for their skills or their ability to load up a UPS truck in less than 20 minutes. But then again, if you had an education or a real job, you might not think $300 is so ridiculous, since you wouldn't have to give up rent or the possibility of eating more than a couple times that week in order to afford it.

Pull your head out of your ass and realize that just because you can't do something doesn't mean that no one else should be allowed to do it. Keto's prices are insanely fair considering the quality and the amount of effort it takes for him to produce his artwork. You may think that "doodling" is something you do just for fun, but in the real world outside of your plushie-filled bedroom with posters of Renamon and Simba, you might understand that it's an actual profession that people have been doing for thousands of years. Remember Michaelangelo? Rembrant? DeVinci? I bet you do. But can you give me the name of even one Jew that was really, really good at carrying stone blocks to build the pyramid?

Put half as much effort into bettering yourself as you do trolling a furry art journal and maybe, just maybe, you could afford your very own commission too.

I'm sorry... did you just compare someone who draws furry smut to the great minds of Leonardo (That's DaVinci, by the way, and it isn't a surname) Michelangelo and Rembrandt? Do you -honestly- believe, in 200 years, people will look back and see these as the masters of art in our time? If you do, I feel sincerely bad for you.

As for why I make less than $15 an hour, yes, I am fresh out of high school, and yes, I am attending college. The job market sucks, yea, but I make do, I'm not really looking for sympathy from anyone on that matter. I'm just saying how the hell can this be worth it to anyone? I consider myself as furry as the next guy but... seriously, it's things like this that make me hate this goddamn fandom.

As for bettering myself, I don't think it's me that needs to do that. While I've bitched that this guy is far too greedy, and has no right asking as much as he is, (at tops, I'd pay him maybe $40 for his art) never once have I complained that I desire to hire him. I'm happy where I am now, and in time, I'll achieve my dream. Maybe one day you'll be shelling out obscene amounts of money to read my autobiography, hell, maybe you'll even be mentioned in it.

I can see it now, The Ramblings of a Snotty Pissant, topping the NYT best seller list.

At least you have your dream, kid.

That's a good title, actually. I'll be sure to credit "That asshat from the Internet" when I write it.

I'll have my people contact your people to hash out the licensing and distribution rights. There's a $300 contract fee, though, paying for the paperwork. You understand, I'm sure.

I understand that $300 isn't chump change, and not everyone can afford it, but if you can't afford it this isn't the place to bitch about it. So fuck off. Keto is a pretty amazing artist, and for the work he puts in I think this is damn reasonable.

I'm sorry... did you just compare someone who draws furry smut to the great minds of Leonardo (That's DaVinci, by the way, and it isn't a surname) Michelangelo and Rembrandt?
I figured you would take that out of context, so here, let me spoon feed it to you. Being an artist is a profession. It's been a profession of masters, and the term "Artisan", meaning the height of perfection in a craft, is derived from such. In the thousands of years of our civilization, who does history remember? The very same people that Keto is - an artist - whom you have gone far out of your way to demean and debase by not only referring to his work as next to worthless, but also attempt to paint it as an effortless hobby with pithy labels attached such as "doodles" and "sketches" in an attempt to be derogatory and elevate your argument. In that, you're a plain fucking moron who has no idea what he's talking about.

As for you being fresh out of high school, gee, color me surprised. No, I couldn't have possibly guessed that you're just some young punk who thinks that just because the world hasn't been handed to you and that you have yet to dream of the levels of success that others have already achieved, which puts them in a position to think that $300 is affordable, that anyone who would charge such a sum is greedy and those who are willing to pay it are idiots. Get off your fucking low-riding horse, get a real job, a real education and move out of your childhood bedroom so you can open your eyes. What something is worth to someone making, say, $200k a year is going to be wholly different than some kid who makes as much in one week that some people do in an hour. Save your angst for people who might actually give a shit.

Lastly, I bet all this judgement being slung at you burns your ass a little. You might even say, "Who is this guy? He doesn't know me. Fuck him!" Guess what hotshot, you don't know Keto either. You have no idea what kind of a person he is, and calling him greedy is about as off target as calling the Westboro Baptist Church a bunch of tolerant, accepting people, and about as far off as me calling you a useful human being that will ever amount to anything.

It's people like you who make me laugh. You go passing such judgment about other people so fast, but can't practice what you preach. Maybe if you knew a little more about me, you'd understand where I'm coming from. But as it sits? Dude, you have no idea. And for -some- reason, you still think I'm looking for sympathy. Every single one of your arguments makes me grin with anticipation to see just what dumbfuckery of a move you've made next, to make yourself look like an idiot. I'm gonna be the bigger man here and step down, because I know when I've lost, and I honestly don't feel like dumbing down to stoop to your level. Have a nice life judging people, it's a great way to make friends.

Have a nice life judging people, it's a great way to make friends

I really hope that I get this commission, because whenever I look at it, I want to remember the pathetic excuse of a life that was Spencer Erickson.

I think you're being a little ridiculous here. Maybe tone it down a little?

You can barely to get someone to cut your lawn for $15 an hour, much less draw you graphic-novel-grade illustrations.

You're entitled to spend your money how you please, and likewise you're welcome to give away your time for free if you have the luxury of doing so.

If you can afford to do that, maybe trolling the internet is more lucrative than I had realized and I should consider a career change...

>You can barely to get someone to cut your lawn for $15 an hour,

> Minimum wage in the united states is not over 8.25
>http://www.laborlawcenter.com/t-Sta.....FUPf4AodsBBwhg

The fuck are you talking about? I do landscaping, I mow lawns, trim hedges, move mulch and stone, and I'd love to earn 15$s an hour. I earn a little over 9$ an hour, busting my ass for 12 hours a day Tues, Thus and Sat. Stop talking out the side of your neck.

You need better customers then.

Or you could learn to draw...

Find better customers? I do the best I can just to scrape by. Back in '08 I was able to charge on the size of the lawn, charging by the job and not by the hour, and getting paid a whole lot better then I do now. But dammit, in order to stay in business we have had to make drastic cuts. Thats how real life, in the real working world is though.


Also, I do draw, though with no formal training or anything its not very good, I do it just as a hobby.

Art which I do for free, even though I've been offered upwards of 25 whole dollars.

Your lack of a useful, marketable skill is not relevant, though I can see why it might make you bitter towards those who have them. Frankly, you have no idea what the value of Keto's skill is, or the amount of "work" that goes into producing artwork of quality. Is it a fun job? Yeah. My job is pretty fun too, but it's still hard work, and a job.

"Art" is a very general term, and it does include whatever chickenscratch you might generate and share, but it doesn't mean you get to compare your unskilled efforts to those of artisans practicing and improving on their craft. Sorry, but if you play the piano for your friends, you aren't the same as a concert pianist, and you don't get to tell them that they don't deserve the $100 an hour they get paid for their performances because you do it for free.

Like most other professionals, Keto went to school, paid a shit ton of his own money, took out student loans to fund his education, so that he could hone the skills required to be good at his chosen profession. You didn't (or maybe you did, and just aren't good at it). He's a better artist than you are. That's why nobody would pay you what they would pay him. Accept it and move on.

If producing the kind of artwork Keto produces can be done by any furry on the street, you should start a fucking business charging people the difference, because clearly you're on to something. Certainly trolling Keto, probably one of the only artists of his caliber that makes an honest effort to offer affordable commissions alongside his "expensive" ones, is ridiculous.

I put "expensive" in quotations because $300 for commissioning an artist is ridiculously cheap, in the REAL WORLD. That's how much people pay for a decent FRAME at a custom frame shop. It's how much people pay for limited edition PRINTS of photographs, and it's probably a third of what this very same commission would go for, were it put up for auction.

Ultimately, it's a good thing we have plenty of people like you around to do the jobs the rest of us are too good to do. But don't try to tell others what they should do for a living, because you clearly don't have a clue.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I love that last part.

Tell me, what sort of job do you have (if any)? Have you ever had to put up with fucktards who treat you like shit 8 hours a day? Have you ever had blisters on your feet because you were so busy you haven't had time to sit down? Have you ever done that for less than $8 an hour? For $300 I could pay my phone bill, eat for a month, make a car payment, and help keep myself afloat in general. And anyone who thinks that this douchebag DESERVES this kind of money to draw fucking FURRY PORN.

God damn, this fucking fandom.

I started a business when I was 18 and I've been living reasonably well ever since. Operating computer doesn't raise a lot of blisters, but there certainly were a lot of all-nighters, worked weekends, and frustratingly long days.

There were also years where I ate a lot of macaroni and cheese and chose to buy dog food over car insurance, but those are thankfully long behind me.

I think the problem is that you're assuming that he should expect less, rather than believing that you should demand more.

I don't think *anyone* deserves to kill themselves for crap wages... whether you mow lawns, draw pictures, play the guitar, or make coffee.

Disagree, make a logical argument, hold your own opinions and convictions - but don't be nasty about the way you express them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI

Ha, don't be a dick? Sorry, I'll be as big a dick as I want. This just seems so fucking outrageous it isn't even funny.

Got it.

Sure, I worked 8 hour days, many times out in the sweltering sun, getting blisters on my feet, on my hands, going home feeling like I spent the day power-benching a Kia Optima full of Samoans. I also got paid $4.25 an hour, since that was minimum wage at the time. Did I mention that I was 16, with no skills other than my ability to lift things?

Go be butt-hurt somewhere else. Just because you're too low skilled and evidently aren't even worth enough to pay more than $8 to mow a lawn doesn't mean that other people need to feel sorry for you, or feel guilty for charging what they're worth.

If you're looking for pity or sympathy, you're barking up the wrong tree. Maybe you should ask your employer to go troll and rant at the people who pay five digits for you to mow their lawn.

Maybe you should shut the fuck up. I don't recall talking to you, or knowing you for that matter.

I don't need permission to make fun of cynical and bitter people like you!

While it's not something most people would brag about, if he is getting payed for his work, it is a type of job.

The definition speaks for itself:
a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation or for an agreed price

So while it might not be something you'd do, by a true logical viewpoint, it is a job.

Is this a joke? April fools passed you know! Or is it that furry artists are just getting greedy and money hungry.

Nope, not a joke :)

I hate to play "copy and paste" and I dont mean for it to seem rude when I do it here, but it seems silly to reword it for no reason:

"I know it sounds like a lot to some, but basically, this is how I come up with that number:

I estimate the number of hours these take... and go for $15 an hour, which are hours that fit a "part time job" schedule... and considering what bills I have to pay to survive, it isn't really luxurious. :P

I get that it sounds like a lot to some, and I know I'm not being "money grubby" and I'm not trying to take advantage of anyone, and I know I can't say anything to prove to anybody that I'm not being "money grubby", so *shrug* it's people's prerogative to judge how they want. :) I'm not judging anyone else, I just understand that we all have different perspectives that make us interpret things differently :) "

You tell me a part time job that pays $15 bucks an hour then. If there were jobs out there like that every fur would be employed and able to afford these grossly inflated prices by artists that let their popularity go to their head and think they can ask what ever price they so well please. Of course they'll get it because furs love art with a pAssion and they'll go without just so they can get a commish and that artist live is relative luxury. It's so sickening now. It used to be the joy of drawing art to brighten some one else and now all artists see is the dollar sign. Sickening. Just dispickable.

Keto doesn't live in luxury. He's working hard to meet his basic needs, just like everyone else. He won't take this $300 and go buy himself a nice dinner and a bottle of red wine. He'll use it to fill his 8 year old car with gas, pay for his cereal at the grocery store, and put some toward paying his rent.

He doesn't sit around chatting online all day, he works drawing commissions for real customers in the real world. And it's not "fun" drawing things for other people when they're paying you, it's work akin to customer service and retail, which most furries are very familiar with. When he has spare time, he offers commissions on FA for LESS than what people normally pay him, in the real world, because he likes drawing art for others. He just can't afford to do it for free, because he actually does have to pay his rent, and it does take him actual time and effort.

As for brightening someone else's day, if you look through Keto's gallery, there are TONS of examples of artwork that he drew, for free, JUST to brighten someone's day. He's exactly that kind of person, and you're despicable for insulting him like this.

I'm hoping it's not my only job forever. :o Trying to work up to getting a "normal" job... eventually soon hopefully!

Open for a few hours... how long are we talking about? :o

Maybe 24! :o I need to start soon, cause I need some work.

I was going to make some comment about the price an all like so many others did.. But when I read the explanation I can completely understand specially with how hard It Is to get a job right now It's so horrifying.. So your selling your hard earned skills for what you need to survive good for you Keto =o Heh.. I still remember running In to you In the elevator at FC10 X3 For like 3 minutes

I looked at your fursuit... did I meet you while you were in fursuit? :) Cause it looks vaguely familiar.

Hehe, and yeah... I don't feel like $15 an hour on a part-time hourly schedule is too much. <=)

The fursuit In the pictures the blue one Is the one I wore at FC010 also got In the CBS news shots =s I borrowed It from a friend who wasn't able to make It now I sport the black wolf fursuit from the MFF pictures that's actually mine.

Well, bit more than I can handle but I hope you get a commission soon :) And more importantly, one that grabs your imagination! Best of luck, sah!

*crosses fingerpaws* I hope I dont get stuck with an anthropomorphic q-tip or something! ;)

Thanks for even wanting one! :)

ooo ooo! what if I commissioned something that's not of me~ for example if I commissioned  kashra kneeling in submission to another say nameless figure =P

kooky perhaps?

nearly read my mind ersis~ yay twitter banter~

yea... keto you should totally remake this http://www.furaffinity.net/view/604018/

I feel like I'll be yelled at if I had to draw that! :o lol!

nonsense keto! it's playing ummm hmm a "homage" to kashra, like that guy did in hot fuzz towards Bill Shakespeare

and sureeeeee why not keto, I'll play~ Mostly to keep kashra on his toes or digits..tee hee hee

I pick the number 96!

LOL, 96. Got it. :)

Thanks for wanting in!

And if you happen to get the slot, try not to get me yelled at!

Should 96 win this commission, and should he request such blasphemy, the resulting image will be epic.

Just not epic in the way contestant #96 believes. Mark my words.

whats that supposed to mean! I should put a number in too, and request the same commission haha... funny? just a little?

oh shush OLD MAN! This so called "pup" gonna have a GRAND OL TIME should I win that is =P

Oooooh and if I enter, we'll have twice the chance of winning and getting such a picture done! :D

I wish my money wasn't already spoken for. Of course even then I wouldn't know what to get...

I'm gonna guess you'd want... a black dragon? ;)

Hehehe, it's okay, thanks for considering! :)

Rage and anger! How dare {artistname} charge a price based on market instead of my personal ability to pay! Why do you not charge $lower_price like {otherartist}!

(also to point out to the complainers- he's got over $1000 in commission offers in 30 minutes)

I should pick 123 or 126 just to point out the only flaw here in that someone can pretty much be iced out of the running in 30 minutes ;)

However, I am not picking a number at the moment. Best of luck!

Hmm, I was thinking this too, but he doesn't say anything about the person who's closest being the winner. He may just keep randoming until one of the numbers picked is hit. And if the closest is the winner, well I guess its just another layer to this game of chance. Do you snag your number early, or do you wait to try and snag yourself the biggest chance to win with the risk of waiting too long and Keto picking before you do? Decisions decisions!

I usually choose the CLOSEST numbers, cause it might take forever to do it until I land on the specific number.... =X I have no real solution for the whole thing... Just hoping randomness works itself out the best it can. :o

Hmm, well one simple solution is to not have people pick a number, just state they want to be in the running. Then when you want to pick, just do a random from 1-#of people interested and go down the list of comments till you reach the number you picked. I.E. if you random a 3, the 3rd person who stated interest is the winner. Add a rule that only interest stated in a non nested comment on the journal count to cover your butt and make your life easier and you're good to go!

I feel like a nerd, because I also thought about how rather easy it would be for me to write up a little program that would keep randomly generating a number until it hit one of the ones picked, lol.

Took about a minute to write. Average execution time is ~milliseconds. Computers are good at this kind of thing. Keto just doesn't pay attention when I tell him I could help him do this fairly.


import random

contestants = { 101 :"Person A" , 23 : "Person B", 189 : "Person C", 74 : "Person D" }

result = 0
while result not in contestants.keys():
result = random.randint(1, 200)

print "The winner is:", contestants[result]

I DO believe you....

in fact, it was YOUR idea to do the raffle remember? Cause I thought it was more fair than my "first come first served" thing. ;)

Yes, I remember. But I do also remember saying "you should pick numbers until an exact match to avoid price is right buttfuckery."

Paraphrased. :)

lol i didn't pick a number yesterday exactly because of the PIR strategy

Random tangent time:

Computers are actually pretty bad at doing randomization by themselves. If you run a basic random number generator for 10 minutes to pick numbers between 1-100 every second, more often than not, instead of producing a truly random pattern of numbers it'll produce numbers that have a clear pattern or trend to them (I.e. picking one number consistently more than numbers, or certain sets of numbers will always be picked more). A random number script that is truely random therefore will have to be written with a ton of checks and balances to prevent this bias from happening.

I don't remember the clear reason behind why this happens but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the fact that most CPU's use linear logic, which makes stuff like math calculations super quick but more open ended logic like random numbers not perform as well.

Okay, tangent done! Still, for this situation and this amount of people that there really isn't going to be so much bias to throw off the "drawing" in anyway. :p

The bias of pseudo random numbers is hardly relevant at this scale.

At this.... SCALE!... like a scaley. ;)

python<3

As a reptile, I approve of this language.

You could do it this way and skip the numbers, just write each name to an array, and use the length to randomly pick one.

<script type="text/javascript">
var list = ['Person A', 'Person B', 'Person C']

alert('And the winner is: ' + list[Math.round(Math.random() * (list.length - 1))]);
</script>

Yes, but that removes the fun of picking them. Casinos wouldn't make any money if they didn't dress up their random number generators a little bit. :)

Thats true. The winner could be the first to get picked 3 times. Slot machine style.

<script type="text/javascript">
var list = ['Person A', 'Person B', 'Person C'];

var picked = {}, max = list.length - 1, ind, pick, hash, win;

while (true) {
ind = Math.round(Math.random() * max);
pick = list[ind];
hash = ind + ':' + pick;

if (!picked[hash]) picked[hash] = 1;

else picked[hash] += 1;

if (picked[hash] === 3) {
win = pick;
break;
}
}

alert('And the winner is: ' + win);
</script>

could use this as well, at the bottom you can make a however many sided dice you want and the "Notes" area keeps track of your rolls so if you're doing multiple rolls you can see the order in which they were rolled.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/dice/dice.htm

I thought about that too...=X But I couldn't think of a better solution without getting complicated like requiring people to LOOK at all the other numbers, and to pick a number a certain amount AWAY from each of em... LOL

:)

And hey, no worries, I'm just happy anyone would consider wanting it. :) Thanks a lot, mister local bear who I just found out was local! :)

I'm currently more local than you think! I work about a mile from where you live, if I recall.

You should take Grisser's route and custom write a comic generating piece of software to announce the winner! In the end, it's your slot to give away, however you see fit! You'll do a bang-up job no matter who wins.

102 *keeps his fingers crossed* :3

Hehe, thanks a lot! I added your number!

I just had to lose my job X3

I am sorry but you people are being silly. This is a fair price for what he is offering, so lets try to keep the drama off this journal and leave it to the real people who want to commission this whusky.

oh! oh! uhmmmm... i'll pick the number... 103!

Thank you for putting in a number! I added you in!

yay!! thankies ^^

47

Are you even allowed to get art in Korea?

Oh wait, you're in South Korea. Nevermind!

If the military wanted to have a wife, they would've issued you one! Same with art!

Thannnnnks for submitting a number dude! :)

I would in a second if I was able to at this time. :]

I have never seen anything wrong with this type of pricing, many hours must go into such work and the professional quality and time of the work warrants that pay rate if not more. I figured it was fifteen to twenty an hour for a skill that took time to obtain. Not being able to afford something does not (always) mean it is too expensive. Art is a specialty item, we buy it if and when we can afford it.

13!

Thanks! I recorded your number!

My number is "bees".
Everyone loses.

http://youtu.be/x-VCn_w6DBw

117 for me please

Thanks for submitting! :)

Seems like a completely fair price. But who to have as the second person O.o

105

Also theo stole my number!

Hehehe, thanks a lot! I submitted your number!

299 IF things are still going on.

They are! I'm actually racking up the numbers right now :) But you gotta choose a number between 1 and 200 please :)

199 then :)

Hehe, thanks a lot! I put your number in!

I am sorry that I do not have the money to spend on this at the moment, so I cannot place a number in for consideration, but I'm going to address this to everyone who may come across this: Paid commissioned art is a luxury, you can save up for this if he opens up again. You should treat this like buying a game console or a new computer. This man puts in a lot of work to draw something to the quality he does, and you have to respect that sometimes you can't afford things like this. Asking him to lower the price is asking him to work for less money, and in this economy, that would be blasphemous to ask of someone on a salaried payroll.

Have some respect people. Keto could just draw for fun and not take anyone's money and not draw your characters.

42 XD

Thanks for putting in! :)

sure, all in fun

Thirty-three 33 for me!

Got ya in! :) Thanks!

I choose 26 :)

Thanks for submitting a number! :)

73 ^^ still have to make the picture of the 42" print

Thank you for putting in a number! :)

I'm very shocked no one has picked this number yet: 69!

I don't really want to have the commission, but if I were to win I'd give my spot to someone else. I just wanted to compete in something with the number 69. :D

$300.

Are you fucking kidding.

For what he is offering that is a fair asking price.

Are you fucking kidding me. He's asking $300 for a drawing of your character. How could you possibly think that's a good deal? I make about $300 in two weeks in a dead end job and can barely scrape by on a good day. And this fuck charges that much because "Whaaaaaaaaaa it's a part time job!"

I wish I had a part time job that paid $15 an hour, hell, for that I could afford to stock my fridge for a month. Instead, I work for minimum wage in a job I hate, because it's all there is. So yea, $300 is FUCKING INSANE. Considering that there are artists that have FAR more talent that charge less, or nothing.

Capitalism waves hello to you.

And greed waves back.

I love you so much.

You probably don't even realize the self-depreciating irony of your statement in relation to Gordon Gecko.

Make that Gekko! Man 24 years is a long time.

Oh, let me guess. Your an art whore who has mommies and daddies money eh?

I like supporting artists that I like who I think deserve what they earn. So if you're done not contributing to helping the artist, I suggest spending your time finding a way to get to where the rest of us are instead of just wishing for it.

I couldnt have said it better nova.

Guys, leave the drama out, ya? It's getting old.

Whine some more, seriously

Art is a luxury, and if you have the financial means to afford a commision from a well known and long-running furry artist, then $300 for a full detailed two character high resolution portrait is pretty good.

I'm studying design, and you want to know what my instructor charges local businesses to do a basic as hell logo? $375 for the full process and rights. And that is half the rate of a normal ad agenecy or a more established designer. This is $300 from a high profile furry artist for the above high quality artwork. That is nothing. I'm guessing you've never seen auctions on Furbuy go over $1k from certain artists for a custom high quality commission.

I work a "min wage" job too and and paying for my own college so I understand where you are coming from (I say "min wage" because I also get tips as I deliver pizza, averages around $15/hr). And for me, I wouldn't go for this either as $300 for high quality custom artwork is a luxury that I really don't need. I'm not losing sleep over it, as I'm simply not in the market (or client that Keto is aiming for) for such things. So why make a big deal? If I made more and was pretty set with where I was, I'd be more interested.

If your priorities involve wanting to commision artwork from artists, then obviously this situation might be different. If I was really in the market for and wanting to get a commision, I'd be able to do Keto's offer and know I'll get great quality. Or I could look twoards other artists for more simple commisions or other good artists who just happen to be charging a little less if I wanted to save money.

Mmmm I love pizza. :) *starving right now*

And your rate delivering pizza+tips, is the same rate as doing this commission; $15/hr. As I said above, the $300 pricetag is calculated using an estimated time of 20 hours at a rate of $15/hr... which is $300.

Thanks for your perspective. I actually think I'd be an AWFUL pizza delivery person, cause I loooooove food (especially pizza)... it'd be so hard to avoid my urges to eat all the pizza I deliver. :o

:) But thanks for the perspective!

The worst part is you'll start not liking pizza anymore! At least from the standard places.

The 15/hr is fluctuates though. It's lower on a slow week but can go higher on a really busy week - it also depends on if I open or not (as there are far less deliveries when you work an opening shift versus a closing one).

But anyways, if I was wanting a good quality and detailed commission done, $300 sounds like a fair price range for multiple characters involved (especially from a well established artist). 300dpi means it's good enough quality to print big on a some good quality paper and have it look awesome too.

For others - if $300 is too high, but you'd like to get some custom artwork by Keto then my suggestion is to wait till some artrage commish's open up again, since those tend to look awesome as well and are quicker to do (therefore cheaper) :)

Alright, I'll go for 22!

Thanks! :) Got your number recorded!

lets try.... 58

Thanks a lot for submitting a number! :) I appreciate ya considering a commission!

84!

thanks a lot for putting in a number! :)

After some thought, I think I will throw my hat into this, I think you can manage with what I do have Keto. So I pick 160! Assuming you haven't pick a winner yet that is!

not yet! :) giving it a few hours before I choose today!

Thanks a lot!

if only i were rich :p

Ditto, shep. xP

Fuck me Keto, i Have never seen so much bitching and moaning EVER. Keep your chin up dude, and keep doing your thing. You're an amazing artist, and a really awesome dude.

Haters Gonna Hate.

god Keto I love it when you post for a commission. it gives me lots of funny things to read :3

XP There was way more to read than I expected...

hahah yeah right, you should expect this by now :P

Did you close already? I'm so slow on FA that I only just saw this and would absolutely love to commission you sometime. I'll pick 35 just in case, but I'm sure it's too late this time.

North

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Unfortunately, the slots are closed... :o But there'll be a next time! :) Thanks a lot for even wanting one!

Of course! I loved your style the moment I saw some work you'd done for our mutual friend Tahoe a few years ago. Been hoping for a portrait ever since!

Oh if you just want an artrage commission, that may very well be possible :)

That would be wonderful!