BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT IS UNNATURAL MUST NOT BE ALLOWED ON THIS WEBSITE

Eating dragons: NOT ALLOWED BAM

No, Dragons eating other furs.

I'm pretty sure the reverse of this is what was causing a problem?

If that was the truth, a vast majority of images in everyone's gallery should be eliminated because most of it is unnatural. So that would be virtually irrelevant and prominently redundant for a reason.

Anything unnatural like furries?

Because they have nothing better to do.

But that's the EASY answer . . .

So is they want more attention, to be the center of attention, or they have a mental condition....but I figured that answer would draw the least chance of being banned by said daft admin.

foxie isn't happy is he?

foxie grumpy.

Not into it myself, but don't see why it shouldn't be on. Any links to where this is being discussed/argued?

What? Really? Since when?

I have no idea! I just heard that Kami and Synx both had a picture deleted over it! I need details myself!

Im inclined to believe this is fictitious, need evidence.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/277208/
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/277252/

I honestly think it has something to do with the guy mentioned in Strega's latest journal entry - http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/272605/

Other than that, I got nothin. This whole thing is baffling.

Because he's an admin. Admins do stuff like that. Not all admins, but the most. Its part of their role. They use their power to do unreasonable stuff, like banning art.

Even if people hate them for that.

Admin selection on furry forums is always pretty lax... FA is no exception.

Yeah, most Admins on the internet abuse their power. Luckily FA got Dragoneer, which is the by far coolest Admin I've ever meet.

You too huh?

Wait, they SUDDENLY bring it up? That doesn't sound RIGHT...

Two in one day sounds kinda sudden to me!

I'm tempted to draw someone eating a dragon RIGHT NOW

Don't, please. I SEE "dragon dreams" in my nightly dreams (that means EVERY night). And, jus tseeing someone eat a dragon would make me cry... ;-;

This is exactly why we have a problem

I see. So, who's BRIGHT idea in the mods was it to bring it up... *sigh*

Wait,

Whatever happened to adult people having enough sense and respect for self and others to simply not view the art that's offending them? How hard is it to click on a new link? Or just plain avoid looking at the "offensive" image when you see the thumbnail?

It's not like "dragon vore" is anything new, or particularly vulgar or remotely offensive, to me and likely to 99.99+% of the people who check out the site. With all the excessive fetish art being posted on FA, everyone is going to find something that offends them, so, if the Admins are going to play "fair" and treat every situation evenly, then they'd better start deleting the entire database right now.

So, one person has mental/emotional issues that are out of the norm, so everyone else has to change there behavior?

We really, really, really need to re-evaluate our priorities.

So damn well very true.

Unfortunately it's the human condition. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. As long as the site is run by a handful of people, they'll express their own views upon the rest of the users here especially a few they may have a grudge against.

Otherwise you're right. If it's not your thing DON'T LOOK. You'd be surprised how often I get someone posting "OMG EW HERM" to some of my uploads. I'm just glad the admins don't have a think against big buff panda herms lol..

SAME

Now I'm not heavy into vore, but I highly recommend this. ;D

I'll hold of to see if the banhammer's gonna be passed around first *giggles*

Cub porn should be fucking instant banned. Vore I'm not a fan of but it's alright.

This has what to do with this post?

Maybe um...what SHOULD BE BANNED? AH HUUUURRR.

Sorry, I just find it pretentious to come in like that and be like 'who cares about what you posted, I hate this!'

KILL ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE

How the hell can you even like cub porn? It's like saying you are a fucking pedophile.
Cub = child
Child = cub
See it? :D

Because it's a picture :| I'm against the abuse of children as much as anyone, but, in all seriousness, no one gets hurt because of cub yiff. Might even keep some random pedo from going out and taking out their fantasies on real children. I'd rather allow unrealistic doodles than see something like that happen.

Agreed. And likewise I know A LOT of people who say exactly the same thing. But alas, stupidity abounds...

And liking playing Halo means you enjoy killing people.

Lost the game.

I can't; I had my The Game shots.

AH SHAT.

Id imagine, he was trying to point out the hypocrisy in banning images of the eating of an imaginary creature, but letting imaginary pedophilia stay. Just he didnt word it well.

Umm, I understood it just fine honestly. And yes, the hypocrisy of it is the point he was making.

Id assume so, you responded to him with a \"agreed.\" My response is to darkpaw who didnt seem to get it.

*nods* Is cool.

Let's consider it this way. Suppose you have a pretty strong reaction to something, perhaps people asking you about penis sizes of your character. Let's say you really didn't like that. Now how would you feel if people took that unhappy reaction and then spread it over some other site, but quite fittingly sent you links over to it showing you how much fun they're making of your reaction. Then some decide to repost some of that "fun" here on this site and remind you once again of something that you'd otherwise like to no longer have to deal with.

I know that you might be able to handle it, some people may be able to brush it aside and not consider it any further. There are however, other people who really do want to move on, and being given additional reminders is like salt in a wound that didn't need to be ground in.

This is essentially what happened. Someone had a strong reaction to an issue, multiple folks decided that the person was way over the top and decided offsite to make light of it (this is fine), but then people began to link the person who had the strong reaction to the offsite stuff and people began posting said images that were connected to the whole thing here on the main site, while still conveniently linking the person who had the big reaction to the images.

That's why it was harassment. It's one thing to make light of a situation, it's another to continuously pick on someone who doesn't want that attention anymore.

No, the problem is, there are pictures of dragons being eaten by things that aren't dragons, or non-living depictions of dragons (like the piece of paper folded like a dragon that  kamicheetah drew) being chewed up, etc. It sounds to me like this guy is actually combing submissions and deleting them as he finds them, regardless of where they came from, their context, or if they were directed at anyone or no one in particular. He just doesn't like the idea of dragons being food, so he's going to remove any reference to it.

Nope, they were specific submissions in this case, and connected to this particular event.

So then the answer is to delete all images that were used for this harassment, whether or not they were related? This site can somehow police things that occur offsite?

The line was crossed when the offsite material was given as a link directly to the user's page, and each and every subsequent submission that was connected with it also posted as a link on the user's page. We weren't out looking for the harassment, the people brought it directly to the user.

So how was this the fault of the people who posted the images, who I am assuming had nothing to do with said harassment?

They did. The image was made to poke fun at the person's reaction and based on the links that were shown it was quite clear as to the intention of the images that they made. It's not very nice to start doing that kind of thing on the site.

Oh, I see. Right after I said that I went over in my head what Kami's journal said and I was like 'Oh!'

So where do we draw the line? I mean we can make fun of politicians but if a politician got an FA account would it all be banned? It's stupid. "booh ooo people make funny of me"

Our rules protect the people on this site, this involved someone on this site, there are occasions where that protection extends beyond, but that is usually the case of personal information being released about someone.

We're meant to be a place to post artwork and for people to comment. Not to find reason to make fun of folks. Is it any less stupid that people are coming up with reasons to make fun of other users on this site, when that harassment is unwanted?

All due respect...that's bullshit.

You have no reason to nanny the users. If someone is calling me names in my daily life I don't call the police. I deal with it, I tal kto the person causing the problem, I be a RESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUAL. It is (rather should not be) the responsibility of a websites admins to be worrying about it's users feelings.

I think a VERY CLEAR LINE needs to be drawn here. It's absolutely rediculous to be the personal banhammer to anyone with hurt feelings.

And since I have your attention:
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sonderjen/

what?

Please keep it civil when arguing.

This wasn't a case about someone calling someone else names, this was putting up a constant and public reminder of something. A responsible individual wouldn't start harassing someone else in the first place.

Sonderjen has nothing to do with this case, and banhammer wasn't applied to other people here. Sonderjen has been given multiple warnings for a great many violations on our site previously. The line has been drawn with him.

Yeah I didn't know what the deal was with him but "being a dick" is just..immaturity on the admin's part (setting a fine example?).

A constant reminded? How is it constant if you LOOK AWAY. Are we forgettig that you can turn these thigns off? You can put people on ignore, you avoid sites, you can not use the interent.

Yeah if you tattooed someone's with a load of insults, yes, constant reminder. I mean, this seems to me like a REALLY big issue. Regulate comments, notes, thigns of that nature, but why can't people submit work? This isn't the first time but I'd LOVE it to be the last. Like any submission with any blue dragon being eaten (other than hida I guess) was removed. Because it would hurt the feeligns of this one single person.

A picture with sarcastic intent focused on someone who happens to use the website, should not be against ToS. You guys should be taking are of REAL problems not whatever's hurting my feelings this week.

-- in the way that it just makes it itch worse.

IRONY:
Basically no one knew it was harassment to anybody, until someone/mod made an effort to remove the 'offensive' pieces of art, and only *now* more people know there was drama or harassment behind it whatsoever, and more people are gonna jump on the boat to make fun of the person who felt they had something to cry about and make them cry more.

Furry fandom, you are a genius.
Like an infinite "do loop" of dramawhine makeitgoaway leading to makeitgetworse.

Actually it didn't have to be harassment, because it didn't have to be posted. It wouldn't have constituted harassment if the people who had caused it in the first place didn't post the pictures, or after the pictures were taken down didn't post journals.

The last I checked the person being harassed equals one more than no one, you feel it's right to allow harassment just because there are fewer people on the site who know that it is? Doesn't seem very fair to the person targeted.

I'm not defending the two (only two so far as I know) people who uploaded the images; I'm just saying that removing them once they had been seen and faved and etcetera and having fans of the artists' work then notice and go 'Hey wtf where it go?' is stirring the pot o' trouble harder.

It's like sure, okay, it sucks that someone started a fire, but dude don't grab the can filled with gasoline to try and put it out, you know?
That one person being targeted just got their target enlarged by <i>a thousandfold.</i> Lots of people liked the images without realizing the drama behind them, and the drama wasn't outlined in the image descriptions so that everyone who saw the image would laugh at the person at the time. People liked the images for the images, initially. That's not their fault.
Now people, being furs and needing to be in on the drama and know who's behind what etcetera, are gonna try to locate the guy and give him even more shit.

Now THAT doesn't seem fair :\

It could have been handled a lot more discretely.
Like *asking* the artists to quietly remove the images first, perhaps?
Once someone's lack of having a backbone/ sense of humor / being sensitive what have you is revealed to the masses; the only result is they're gonna get trampled.

How often to artists quietly and discreetly remove material when asked? I've been on the staff of this site for a couple of years. We used to ask for people to remove things, and a high percentage of the time they either wouldn't, or would still cause a stink.

Despite the amount of time it was up, leaving it up would be hypocritical to the rules that we are currently enforcing. Perhaps a little sensitivity, understanding, professionalism from the people planning on making fun of the person is what's needed. You know, let someone just leave in peace rather than adding insult to injury, the latter happening far more often than the former.

See, if you guys knew how to do drama control, this wouldn't happen...

If we were a larger staff it would help too. :-/

If I could conjure up the dead ghosts of the great admins I've seen in the past, I'd gladly give them to you...

a little sensitivity, understanding, professionalism from the people planning on making fun of the person

Things that will never exist *now* when what would have been a small collective of people in-the-know of the harassment and making fun, has now evolved into a rumor-hungry mob.

I'm sorry that most all times in the past asking an artist to remove an image hasn't worked, but it still seems like the more civil thing to do. Like attempting to have peace talks before dropping nukes. It just seems worth trying anyway, despite the high failure rate. And personally knowing one of the artists who posted an image-in-question somewhat well over the past 7 years, I'm pretty sure it would've worked.

Again, as all the FA journals keep popping up like confused rumour-milling lightbulbs in my message panel now, despite whatever best efforts were intended, it's now becoming worse.

And honestly, I feel pity for you guys who are gonna have to deal with it.

Regardless of what the images were being used for offsite, the images and image descriptions in and of themselves did not harass anyone. I saw at least one of those images and it never even crossed the darkest corner of my mind that it was any way connected to the artist harassing someone.

I think Iiji and others have a point in that you have taken something that hardly anyone on the interwebs even knew about and would have blown over in a couple days, and blown it up into some huge dramastorm. The end result is going to be exactly the opposite of your intent in deleting those images.

They all were linked to the user's page that was meant to harass. That's enough.

Me personally, I think you need to reexamine your definition of harassment. Seriously.

All I had to do was say "tomorrow"! Good freaking god what the hell is going on here D=

Apparently, there was no real reason for it, according to Dogman in this post here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/.....2/#cid:2069024

This is how it went:

2 months ago I uploaded a drawing of Hida being eaten by a Palemane-esque creature, complete with gore and blood and dismemberment.

1 week ago a completely over-obsessed dragon fan saw it and started whining about, launching personal attacks at people who opposed his ridiculously irrational viewpoint.

In response, Sonderjen and KamiCheetah uploaded a drawing along the lines of the Krystal Sandwich meme, and a completely innocent drawing of her character chewing up a piece of paper, respectively. However, it was by pure coincidence that Synx was just about ready to upload her(?) baby dragon vore drawing. It was totally unrelated.

And now today, the admins respond by deleting the afore mentioned pictures, on the grounds of \"harassment\" because some one was linking them to the person who started all the dragon vore drama in the first place.

As a result of this seeming unconnected art deletion, as the initial dram was rather small-scale, people started worrying that there was an admin on the loose deleted all submissions featuring dragon vore. That, in addition to Sonderjen being banned for something unrelated, caused a rapid spread of rumors and the creation of a new meme.

What amazes me is that in the past VCL was handed a cease and desist notice by Warner Brothers (I think this was before the DMCA takedown notice crap) and Ch'marr instated a policy of no unapproved fanart rather than face a massive lawsuit. I'd safely say a full 10 percent of the content on this site is based on a major media company's properties, but this is still de facto allowed.

Rather than trawl over harassment, something that may or may not be happening, you might want to consider what might happen if, for example, Nintendo decided the hundreds or thousands of pornographic Krystal, Fox McCloud and Pokemon art here is a violation of their copyright. It's a safe assumption it's not an if, it's a when for something like that happening.

I'm not a fan of this whole perpetual copyright stuff going on anymore, thanks to Disney nothing will become public domain from like 1967 until the middle of this century, but it's still a worry.

So what exactly would I have had to do? Wait three days top upload mine even though it was almost finished? And do I have to remind you that my pic is a reoccurring theme in my art, hence it wasn't out of the ordinary nor was it meant for the individual you are so desperately trying to protect.

I don't find your logic very reasonable, and many here seem to share this sentiment. I was upset when cub porn was allowed here, and it did bother me that MUCH each. It Even caused other users to leave your site they felt so offended. So, technically aren't I being harassed since it's making me uncomfortable, especially the images uploaded right after the cub drama. Your logic says so, does it not?
Sorry, there are people who feel passionate about many issues and animals. We can't cater to them all. And exactly where was the mods when the person in question was harassing Dogman & Hida simultaneously? There was even a post about it on the forums so you can't say it wasn't reported like DaveHyena said it wasn't.

This isn't about cub drama, the cub image wasn't designed by someone specifically to target someone else. No one came to your page and essentially said "Just wait until tomorrow when I post something else that you aren't going to like." Of course, if you waited down the line and then posted something it wouldn't have mattered one damn bit, but when you preface that you're going to post something that is going to bother the user even more what do you expect the reaction to be? It's like not expecting the police to respond to a bomb threat.

And you have gone to cub porn? That has nothing to do with this. No one went to your page and left you a shout or comment saying how the next day they were going to post some cub porn that you weren't going to like.

The difference is intent and how comments are directed. That picture you drew was lovely, and could have been simply one more post if you hadn't chosen to comment in the manner that you did.

I'll have to look at the Dogman & Hida issue, I haven't even seen that, unless this is back to the original person who went crazy, and that person has essentially left the site as it is.

"Just wait until tomorrow when I post something else that you aren't going to like."

But thats the thing, I didn't say that.

Yeah, you said "tomorrow" responded to him twice that way. What was the reason for responding to him in that manner in the first place? What else was he or the staff supposed to think that you meant by that? If you had said that phrase to anyone else on that thread, it might have not even lead to that situation, but that wasn't the case.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/874629/
I said tomorrow to him once, the second time I said it was to myself apparently (which is odd because I meant to respond to Iatro: One of the people who knew of said picture). You will notice my actual comment to him; in which I actually spoke to him, was trying to explain the situation, wasn't I? Odd for someone who was simply trying to harass the fellow... hmm.

Indeed, I mistook that as a response to the person because of the larger indentation, but I see how things work in that tree now. I'm in the wrong there.

It's ok.. this drama is getting crazy and it's getting hard to see everything in the right perspective.

Were they dumping these links to said offensive material on the person's userpage? (I'm assuming they were in the form of shouts) If so, aren't the admins able to remove the offending messages from the target's userpage?

Just because it can be removed doesn't mean that the action didn't happen. Yes, the messages can be removed by both user and administration.

So how come folks posting things relating to this \"offensive/hot button\" issue, without linking it to it or intending to harass the offended person, are getting the anti-harassment-stinkeye from admins? :/

Kind of vague, note me with who you think is getting the wrong end of the deal.

Was the linking actually done by the authors of the images, though? You're being so obscure I can't tell if Synx linked its picture to the person, or if someone else did and Synx just took the fall.

Synx made it entirely clear that she was going to post something that would otherwise cause this person problems. That being said, it doesn't mean that the issue couldn't have been handled differently.

Yes, but I didn't link to to the pic. Nor did he watch me, so it wouldn't have shown up in his watch list. I did simply state 'tomorrow' but not for his sake, for everyone else who did watch me and would have saw the amusement in the timing of my finished piece. If I wanted to harass said individual, then I would have linked him to the pic, or sent him a private note, wouldn't have I? I thought at worst what I did would have been taken as a bad inside joke.

From what I know I was entirely right to, about him not knowing. I never got a nasty email, comment or note from him, did I? All my statement accomplished was amusing the people who did watch me, like it amused me. But if things are so 'delicate' right now that saying the word 'tomorrow' to someone for any reason can be considered harassment, then I don't really know what to say.. That kind of speaks for itself.
Any word spoken on this site could technically be viewed as threatening now, couldn't it?

If you had meant it to be for everyone else, then why in blazes did you respond directly to him rather than post it as a journal on your own page?

Because he was harassing people in an abruptly and rude 'OMG everyone look at me I'm angry' way; in a gallery to a picture that had nothing to do with him. That tends to call people's attention, I thought it was good a place as any since so many eyes were transfixed on his inappropriate behavior.

Well that wasn't the best of decisions in the end. You had a whole lot of other outlets to get people to see your stuff, not to mention that it's good enough on its own that it doesn't need that kind of hype.

Yes, apparently. I got all this from being dragged into a drama I had nothing to do with a week after it ended. Hence why I stated in several places "My bad".

I read what she said, wasn't ONE WORD terribly ambiguous? If you actually read on the history of the character in the image, the character has a long history of eating baby dragons and other cute, spiky things. From what Synx has said, my understanding was that she already had the image almost finished and was just amused by the timing.

At any rate, it seems pretty retarded to be holding one user's hand and removing EVERYTHING they find to be offensive, especially given their ridiculous grounds for being offended. Why don't I get this special treatment? I find scat art to be offensive to me, and I have had it linked to me in the past - if you read back on my journals and find a journal called 'IIT Things That Made You Gay' you'll find in the comments a user has linked a scat image to me. Can I get every scat image posted by every person who posted in that journal thread removed from the site?

Nope, I said a immensely ambiguous word to him, (Tomorrow) one that had no meaning to him what so ever because.. he doesn't watch me? It was meant to amuse the people who did watch me, HENCE why I told someone else to in the same thread! I never linked him to the pic nor sent him a note or anything.

That's what I thought.

Because dragons are high in calories and bad for your health. Promoting the eating of dragons encourages unhealthy choices in diet for people who may become influenced to try their delicious tastes. :O

Thanks! Now I know

And knowing is half the battle!

GI-JOOOOOOOOOOOE

OHGOD-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! D:

Best reply to anything in this whole journal. You win.

Clearly someone's got it in for Hida.

That was my first thought D:

Their response is something like a week late :facepalm:

But wait! perhaps it's all a -huge conspiracy- and Kami and Synx both decided to delete their art and begin drumming up lulz for hits and grinnage!

BECAUSE DRAGONEER IS AFRAID OF BEING ATED.

That, or because, like usual, one of the admins doesn't feel like he's powerful enough without using the delete function a bit more.

Well, I have been sick so badly I cannot talk, and I drew some dragon vore for  deaconchaos and no admin is about to tell me that I can post that! I have not even been at my computer for more than 5 minutes when Ii wasn't ladden in bed.

So I say, let the people post what they want! If I post a picture of a cactus eating a dragon, according to this argument, then automatically it relates to the even and must be banned? that just plain isn;t right.

Artists come to FA to share art and share interests, FA is about making friends and enjoying each other's skills. If the admin deletes my picture, this shall be brought to dragoneer's attention, if it has not. Thanks for the warning Rick.

Oh, and I drew ya something too

You did?

I did ^..^ tis a little \"accidental\" revenge on Karishad for always pullin your tail, hehe

internet drama makes my head implode T.T

Really?

I think they're just deleting the drama bait images from the little fiasco a few days ago with pale man eating a dragon and someone being really upset by it. I don't think it's uh... serious dragon vore images.

Damaratus appears to have explained the whole thing above.

Again, I argue -- how painfully wretchedly hard is it for someone to privately ask the artist to take down an image, especially if that artist can acknowledge the harassment behind it, rather than just go 'YOINK!' and make the internet explode in a frenzy of confused wtf drama like a string of christmas lights -- ESPECIALLY KNOWING THE DRAMARUMOUR HABITS OF THIS FANDOM?


Hhdgfhfhbbfff we're all stuck in Middle School wry.

I think in part its because the artists also have a lot of inherent drama instilled in them and are like YOU CAN'T MAKE ME FREEDOM OF SPEECH SOUL RAEP

Hnhhhhh true, plus the images were already faved and liked en masse.
CONUNDRUM
Although mostly liked for the images they were and not at all their malicious intent.

Okay
better plan
How about we aaaaalllll chip in and buy enough booze to keep the poor guy who was offended happy, drunk and hammered for the next month, with enough $$ left over to buy a beautiful Mexican whore until he forget it ever happened.


FOOLPROOF.

Any plan that can take place entirely within Tijuana can't be all bad!

All evidence says harassement, but the question is how is it considered harassment?

Apparently, having a sense of humour means you're a troll. *nods*

Ya know even if it IS trolling...who gives a shit!? It's people's own personal problems, why is that the job of the admins?

To make room for moar cub porn?

I think we should have a vote.

Oh wait we know how that worked out last time

ahahaha

ZING

Actually, the majority of users seem to be siding with not only me, but also the others; whom actually meant to cause a scene. Which is why I am wondering what the mods think defending what was essentially a troll will accomplish. The guy was harassing several users.. and from what I hear was stalking Hida.

You know I coulda sworn I graduated Highschool back in 04

What.

What is this dragon discrimination?! What kinda lame bullshit is this?!

Dragons have as much right to get eaten as any other goddamn creature! This is racism to the highest order, I won't stand for this!

POWER ABUSE. -UNF-
They're just bored and ran out of donuts, like the police do. :D

...So, non-mod furries are black people?

Wow, FA is full of dem nyugguhs, then. :U */racist* But yeah, if you wanna put it that way. XD

Just drawing on the popular cops 'n blacks relationship. I wonder when that phase will fall into obscurity, though...

I CAN HAS WIT NOWZ?

Apparently, you can't eat dragons, but it's okay to fuck cubs. Amazing. Simply amazing. What a bunch of retards.

*nods* Ayup.

How utterly pathetic.. This is why i have less and less faith left in the fandom I stick to my corner and don't explore beyond it because theres so much dysfunctional immature whiny bullshit. And people harping on other people under the guise of "humor" Its all funny until your the target and its you being singled out. Sometimes furry totally deserves it's bad press it deserves it's warning labels. It is totally reaping what it sows. Show some actual maturity and tact and take some actual responsibility for your actions for once. Then again tact maturity manners who needs that crap. Furry shouldn't become a bunch of seventh graders yelling out sex and penis in the class room dur hur hur thats funny..

I feel for the guy being harassed and the mess admin now has to clean. But then again furries never were strong on the tact side of things. Nor are we known for having a thick skin ( fursecution complex)
At the same time I was amused images are being deleted of a fetish when we allow some rather downright wrong things to be posted freely. But hey thats the admins choice not mine.


In all I'm kinda amused how fast we have to one up over one another and turn simple things into HUGE debates. How fast we can act without all the facts laid out.

Anyway I'm done said my peace. The kiddie sand box is there to play in you can scream and call each other poopie heads over there. The rest of us can move on and focus on other things.


Sorry for contributing to your pile of crappy drama here Rick. Dont worry i wont say anymore on this. Despite the flurry of one up man ship this post will likely get. Though i will be amused at the first to take the bait and prove my thoghts right.

And thats the thing its just thoughts people. I could be totally fucking wrong here or i could be the hammer on the nail.. But I'm not about to bitch and moan for weeks and hours in flurry of posting to prove either or.

Oh and Rick keep up the wonderful art work. I request you draw more of that cute fluffy tail of yours to distract the drama lamas occupied.

I really had no idea this was gonna escalate when I posted this journal, or I probably wouldn't have.

what

Since all Damaratus did was lay out his rational for deleting the pieces, I'll go ahead and lay out some facts and the chain-of-events:

Dogman drew a picture of Hida being eaten, rather gruesomely, by Pale Man from Pan's Labyrinth. Despite this, Hida expressed approval and nothing else came of it, until a member named dragon103 showed up and spilled his week’s supply of crazy all over the comments section:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/874629/

Naturally, many people found the unmitigated freak-out rather humorous, and a thread was made on lulz.net bringing attention to its members (one of the reason for which the site's name should make clear enough, the other being that Dogman frequents the board), which is no doubt the site to which Damaratus refers to above. Some artists were among those chuckling, one of whom (kamicheetah) drew a doodle to make fun of the matter (which you can now view here: http://kamicheetah.deviantart.com/a.....agons-74295936). ChimeraSynx, by coincidence, had almost finished a picture of a baby dragon being eaten and uploaded it the day after dragon103's schizophrenic typing fit. There was another entry as well, in the vein of the "Can't enjoy ___ because" featuring Hida and Pale Man, but I am unable to recall who it was by. If I find out I will reply to this comment with the information. Despite the fact that ChimeraSynx's entry wasn't even related to the matter, these were the entries that were deleted (the better part of a week after the fact).

Now that you know, and can follow the links to look and read for yourselves, you can decide for yourself whether or not these entries should have been deleted by the FA staff.

The picture I mentioned my being unable to recall was by Sonderjen, who is now banned.

So basically, one person pulled a PETA (in this case dragons), and ruined it for everyone else.

Makes me ashamed to consider myself a dragon.

It's times like this that really make me question if the FA admins have the intention of protecting "all users" and not just "the users who whine".

FurAffinity = the giant HUGBOX.

It's starting to get that way, it seems.

See, this is why I WELCOME drama and people "harassing" me with open arms -- at the very least, I'll be amused by it. :3

Drama's ALWAYS amusing.

Hell, take a look at the original drama -I- caused when cbee first posted the infamous "Happy Meal" image -- even I can look back on that and laugh at my stupid ass. Why can't other people do the sa--oh, right, furry. I forgot.

So will "tomorrow" become the next "Krystal can't enjoy her sandwich"?

This is one bandwagon I'll stay far away from, if it does. D: Since it's being taken vry srsly.

INTERNET

SOME KINDA BUSINESS WE'RE NOT SURE

WHO NEEDS DRAMA WHEN THERE IS TIT PUNCHING TO BE HAD

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/998033/ :D

DRILL BRA!

http://www.jasonaut.com/2007/12/yak.....a-revenge.html

Drill bras are the best revenge for tit punching.

My only guess is that the person in question is mad with power, drunk, rather.

This is weak.

See, now... I don't personally dig vore, just not my gig, but hey, dragons get hungry too, and somehow I doubt that a nice fruit salad or some yogurt will really cut it.

Basic Point...

Furry's = High School drama = Groups of retarded drama loving people = More drama on the certain subject = The banning of stupid and retarded shit that apparently creates problems for the people that pay for this site and control it

huh... so cubophilia's, pedophilias on cubs, whatever it goes is A-okay friendly for all to satisfy the needs (as well as for the pervs), but Dragon Vore is a no-no? What the hell? I can't draw Dragons cannibalising each other for food reasons?

DRAGUNS R 100% PRED D:

Seriously, has SpencerDragon become a mod or something? :P

So wait let me get this straight, there are some people on FA that post things like HARD vore, diaper, cub, morbid creatures with multiple phallus's, gore, incest, autoerotic asphyxiation and people approve of that...and yet somehow someone found themselves insulted by dragons being eaten, and somehow, they managed to convince the mods to start a misguided crusade.

...

Well lets hope Karma kicks in.

This is the bestest drama ever.

Ass-raping children: Fine.
Snuff porn: Fine.
Necrophilia: Fine.
Torture images: Fine.
A predator being eaten... banned?

There's an official statement here:

http://www.furaffinityforums.net/sh......php?tid=16215

look at what is wrong
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/874629/

Not a big fan of showing my face in messy times like this, but it seems odd. I never LIKED vore, but dragons naturally eat meat and all that, so... why not?

But maybe I just think that way because I can't eat vegetables and I'm such a whore for George A Romero movies.

Other way around. There's like over 100 replies here ennumerating it *giggles*

You know, it's funny that I discovered the full legal name of our oversensitive drama fascist, his age, HIS FACE, and found out he lives in Leduc County, AB Canada, just 29.7 km south of my city. It's a good thing a few people I know are bail enforcement agents and tracked this guy for me.

I really want to do something to him (No, not murder )

Aargh i'm so conflicted. I agree that this whole thing is horrifically blown out of proportion and I can't believe the shitstorm that has been kicked up over some really nicely done artwork (and uber cute in Kami's piece), but then all this talk and comparison to cub art got me thinking.

I'm REALLY against cub art, i mean really. I don't dislike the people that draw it, but I hate the subject itself. now if I had a character that was a cub, and someone decided to draw it gettin fooked and I found out about it, I would be really horrified and i probably would kick up a shitstorm and ask for it to be taken down, and any subsequent pictures of my cub getting abused. If the artist refused I would probably even go to the admins.

Please explain to me how the example i've given is different, as I really don't want to have to side with people that decree an adorable creature munching a doodle as harassment. Did the person who felt harrassed point them to these pictures, or did the admins just delete them without him asking?

Well there's a few complications to the whole thing beyond that.

One, the person being harassed provoked it. He went out of his way to provoke it, posting in a rather amusingly macabre picture, claiming to be Hida's friend (I don't think anyone's confirmed this; I heard he was actually semi-stalking him) and in general just being a troll. He might have fully and sincerely believed what he was doing was right, but he was still trolling.

Nobody really thought enough of it to take it up with the admins, and just decided to prod him.

Two, Synx's picture was already in development waaay before this entire incident occured. I think like a week or two. Although Synx's 'Tomorrow' comment was basically saying 'hah, and to think I'm going to post some of my OWN dragon vore tomorrow', Synx didn't do any of the actual harassing or rick-rolling, and it was deleted anyway.

Three, the stuff was deleted a week after the fact. Much like the above scenario where nobody wanted to contact the admins over it, the admins decided they didn't want to confront the harassers about it. So they instead AUTOMATICALLY side with the troll. Which is extremely problematic, because it shows a policy of siding with the person who complains the loudest, which is certainly not a very good policy to have.

I think the admins acted without knowing enough about the situation, and though they may have ended up in he same place they are now, it would have been better policy to confront the harassers about it first, without assuming that everything was as black-and-white as it looked. Because you know what happens when we assume.

Oh good grief yes I'm not talking about synx's pic, that was a completely unrelated picture that got deleted, and synx's one word comment was just assumed to be malicious in intent- that is clearly a complete over reaction on the admin's part, and I really would have expected a public apology from them over this.

I guess the major difference between my scenario given and the actual one, is your first point- the supposed "harrased" victim was him/herself blatantly harrassing several people before these pictures etc were drawn in response, but because none of the people being criticised by him were offended enough to report him, and/or the harraser was not inclined to draw pictures to express his feelings about a situation, he didn't get in trouble. What a bizarre place this is!!

I don't like vore. So I avoided looking at the first offending picture itself.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/874629/
But I wanted to see where this whole drama began.

Dragon103 needs psychiatric help. Simple as that. When I see a fictitious character die, I get a little upset, then I get over it. People depict the death and even the ingestion of humans all the time. Its called video games, movies, & historic epic tales. Its seriously been around for thousands of years. Why should a dragon being eaten be more offensive than a human being eaten? That human could be your brother, your best friend, or any other relation to you just as easily as anyone else. How is this less wrong than a dragon being eaten? Placing dragons as having priority to life over humans or other furs is very much like racism. (That said, as humans we are naturally predisposed to placing ourselves on top of the food chain, and even then we restrict ourselves.)

And who's problem is it really if someone actually enjoys/approves their personal character/identity being eaten/killed/raped/abused? It's one thing if they are offended personally and ask for the art to be removed. But it is not the right of someone to "speak" for someone else without consulting/getting approval from them first. It is equally wrong to force your own beliefs on others and require them to acknowledge your opinion as fact.

Then everyone chimes in with the evils of "cub art." I personally dislike cub art, but is it any more wrong than art of someone gruesomely killing/maiming/raping/abusing/etc. someone else? Real child pornography is illegal because it personally endangers children and exposes them to inappropriate situations, behavior, abuse, drugs, etc. It's illegal because it is offensive and it is evidence of illicit activities for which participants can and should be incriminated because they profited or otherwise benefited from the abuse of a child. The act of accessing or storing child pornography is illegal because it propagates and encourages more of the aforementioned illicit activities. Killing or torturing someone in real life is just as illegal.

As long as illicit activities are restricted to purely fictitious forms of display such as television, movies, stories or artwork, the only bias against such subjects should be restricted to personal moral opinions. As opinions are not fact and are not always shared with everybody, people have every right to be offended at what they find personally offensive. But as long as it is not breaking the law or personally attacking someone (well, outside the realm of politics), then I don't think anyone has the right to censor content from those who do not find the material offensive (given that they are of legal age to decide for themselves what is or is not appropriate for them, of course). People who disagree with something have just as much power to avoid it or voice their concerns in an appropriate venue. Voicing your own moral concerns in the comments section of an offensive content post is not the place to do it because the post is not intentionally directed at you personally.

I regret that I was not here when this drama transpired to give my point of view and try to be a voice of reason, because I believe that I have made at least a few points that likely cannot reasonably be disputed as being entirely false by anyone who takes the time to fully understand what I'm saying, even if they disagree. Perhaps even Dragon would have seen some merit to it. It's damn near impossible to completely defend an obsessive passion that ignores others' common rights.

That said, I think it is rather sad on both sides of the coin that someone was outcast from other outcasts, both that there was in fact good reason for Dragon103 to be rejected and that certain individuals made the poor decision to return his harassment instead of acting in a reasonable and diplomatic manner in the face of adversity. If there was truly to be no reasoning with him and he continued to make an ass of himself, he should have been reported to the administrators instead. It's their job to police these situations for the common good of the people as voiced by the people for the people.