Looking forward to your report. :V

i say... WE STORM THE CASTLE!!!!

Have fun storming the castle!

i will i always do :3

Maybe you'll finally find that damn princess!

:/ nuuu :P

Think it'll voik?

It'll take a miracle!

Buh-Byeeee!!!!

"Hello, my name is imingo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

nonono, see, the next line is *walks away carrying dead/revived man*

Yes, I know, I've seen the movie plenty of times ;)

:D

*giggles* at least someone else knows one of my favourite scenes out of the Princess Bride XD

It's a good movie for quotes.

Monty Python's "Holy Grail" is a good movie for quotes.

"The Princess Bride" is one long quotable-quote from beginning to end.

Run away! Run away!

Life *IS* pain, Princess!

Not like it's a really uncommon movie :V

yush @W@

"Princess Bride"

ewwww girls :P

rape and pillage?

Alright guys, let's do this... LEEEEERROY JEEENNNKKINS!!!

Likewise :x

Well that's nice to hear. Some staff don't seem too keen on following your orders. Not very professional of them if you ask me.

Not right now. I understand you're bitter, angry... and you deserve the right to be, but I'm trying to fix this. Passive-aggressive anger isn't going to help the situation.

I'm legitimately angry right now, and I'm looking into the issues and trying to get everything in square. Some of *my* images were removed in this, too. Images that were within site rules. So yeah, I'm VERY not happy about this.

Oh I'm not upset. I don't own a fursuit for it to matter much. I think you are doing the best you can though.

I'm not angry or bitter, not was I citing an issue in particular. I'm just saying in general, I hear a lot of things about mismanagement. Not just here, but other places, too.

The fact that they deleted some of YOURS is what makes me blink and feel dumbfounded.

Lol, looks like the knights decided to play while the dragon was out of the castle!

i don't own a fursuit either dragoneer but most of my fa friends do and i know it upsets them iike the fursuits that my friends have and i feel bad for the issue that they are being asked remove them from the site

I think that I share the same feeling as many do on your website. The only reason you are caring about this topic at all is that it was some of YOUR pieces that got deleted. If you didn't have your own pieces deleted, you probably would have ignored the problem like you have so many other problems.

I work with teams of people to run conventions. When we hire for our security team the first thing we do, is try our damnedest to get people who have a level head, and who do not power-trip. How is it, you keep letting these people onto your staff? I think you could do yourself a big PR favour by making a official apology.

^^^^^^

wurd

time to straighten out your staff me thinks

maybe you should sack your other admins and get new ones or change the way the other admins can do shit like submitting a "notice of intent to remove submissions" to the site owner, which is you yea??
i've already had runings with your other admins about the same issue some time ago with my gallery and i classed it as harassment, that went unanswered

Coming from someone who formerly managed a forum, I just think its sad.

Glad to see yas back.. Will look forward to report.

That'll teach you not to take a vacation and have fun.

Good luck!

Please let this be a big mistake Dragoneer. I'm counting on you.

this :D

Thanks dude ^^

I fail to understand why this is a life or death scenario to some people.

XD true that!

It's not that it's life or death, but the immense stupidity behind such a thing would never bode well for the future of the site, or other possible submissions.

agreed... they're just big and ungainly fuck-suits most times anyway.

frankly, i'm of the mind that nothing of value has been lost.

Well, obviously

Logic! Thank you!

It is mostly because some people are randomly getting their accounts suspended over this, without warning. Also was amusing because people's "suggestive" photos were being removed but the site mascot, Fender, had one of himself on his user page.

Yeah saw that, seems to be the only argument anyone has.

Personally, I don't care either way. I mean, if FA decides to make a policy and do away with the Fursuits (Adult) category, that's their right to do so. It's mostly the manner in which it's being done. The entire situation is a PR nightmare and I've been sitting back with a bag of popcorn ever since I heard about it yesterday.

People fail to realize it's a free service, always, not just now but always. Every time FA does something to THEIR SITE people seem to think they are owed something.

It's like being given a gift from someone and complaining that it's not your favorite color.

the problem i have with this argument is when a site be it free or not sets up a set of rules and then fails to moderate properly or fairly or removes things that are "not agenst the rules" for no explainable reason or bans/suspends some one unwarrantably. that is a problem especially when its one admin (or multiple) misunderstanding the rules. those kind of actions require some accountability and unfortunately some times the only way to bring light to a screw up like that is for people to complain about it and get the word out. AKA drama/storm of complaints.

it does look like the situation has been resolved by now and most of what has happened was a misunderstanding and a good portion of the actions taken by FA agents some of its members was a mistake, as well as the process by witch the situation has been handled needed to be revamped. i must still question that if soo many people hadent spoken up would the problem have been properly addressed.

When site owners ASK for donations to run the site, I don't see how it's free. True, you don't pay for membership, but user's money does go into it.

Umm yeah, and it's not required because it's a free service.


That's why it's called a donation.

Donation is just a nice way of saying gimme though. We see people on the street with signs saying things like 'Car Wash' but they ask for a minimum of a donation.

What makes a donation a real donation is money given without service given to the donator, like a person going door to door asking for a donation for a charity like UNICEF.

FA is pretty much 'If you want the site to stay up and working, you need to give us money in addition to us spending our own.' It's a payment to keep the site up.

And not a single fuck was given that day...

LOL, YOU LOVE THAT.

Lookitallthesefucksgave

yet you care enough to post about not caring... kinda funny how a lot of online euphemisms tend to fall flat in the face of logic.

TL;DR

so, a drama queen and a lazy idiot... who knew?!

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons.....-here-meme.png

^this

I don't think you fully grasp the when's and why's of when that meme applies.

but that's okay, i still got a laugh at your expense. so, thank you for the levity!

Sorry bro, you just lost the game.

wow, you're a moron. go sterilize yourself for the greater good.

http://images.memegenerator.net/ins.....x/14688807.jpg

Yeah bro, go wash yor hands.

I want to up vote this comment so bad.

GOOD LUCK! xD.

Simple solution - Give admin rights to those who have had real website administrating experience. :V

Right now, I'm trying to figure out how this all happened.

Technically, an admin thought a photo a user uploaded was "too suggestive" to be allowed so he/she deleted the submission, and instantly suspended the accounts that partook in the photo without any warning whatsoever. We see photos of that kind get uploaded all the time, even Fender has a photo similar to it, that's been up over a year.

And then said admin went nuts and started intentionally finding photos that he/she deemed unsuitable to their taste and begin to swing said persons mighty misguided banhammer without notification or warning (apparently) to any of the parties affected

:O MADNESS I TELL YOU!

Madness? THIS! IS! FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! *SWING-KICK*

*FALLS INTO THE DEATH PIIITTTT* AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I think there's more to it than that. I'm contacting some of the parties involved and asking what happened on their side, and trying to review the admin logs as well. All I can say right now.

That's all I know from the explosions of journal spam about this incident.
But now I've been told the admin or admins that did this decided to go on a DEL+RUN spree.

I really hate the fire and forget attitude. At least give a warning so we can you know, save it on our end.

Things happen, backups get lost. In some cases, FA is the only place a picture exists, and if it gets nuked suddenly, it's gone forever.

I've heard that FA are creating a backup server which will take backup the website every night. I'm not entirely sure of this information being valid.

.. why would someone upload an image only to FA and delete all traces of it everywhere else, including their own harddrive? Relying on a website such as this to host a single copy of an image is absolutely idiotic.

Or maybe said images weren't backed up and they lost their HDD, and FA happens to be the only place its left?

back yo' shit up

the pic of fender was deleted too XD

I agree.

Or just to those that actually have common sense and can think for themselves.

Like me? *Runs 3 websites on a VPS* :P Heheh, jkjk.

Your banned the av you have is to suggestive

Hehe yeah I was wondering if anyone would say something about it once I switched it over here. ^^;

Please rein this shit in. Power-tripping assholes seem to be why we can't have nice things.

your icon seems to be advising you of something... and i think it's pretty important.

Well, obviously.

Get your mods under control, the situation is really bad.

Agreed :/

ya no humans allowed, so what we cant post fursuit pics?

but the ones getting taken down were the same as the one that fender had kneeling on all 4's on the bed. the one of fender is over a year old.

by the admin that was being stupid over this. and as dragoneer has even said some of his stuff that was within the rules is taken down. so the admin doing this isnt in the right at all.

A harness on a damn canine fursuiter is not bondage. Its like saying a collar on a canine fursuiter is bondage which it isn't.

Haha, actually, if you ask me, it's totally totally bondage.

Whether it's "adult" or not, now, that's a lot more controversial...

But what if the fursuiter was a husky a harness on them is appropriate since the breed normally wears a harness. As for collars almost every dog breed wear collars so most suiters who are canine are more then likely going to wear a collar. I am just saying it like I think a suiter would think of it other then it being bondage.
I see your point when you say it is a controversial topic though.

I absolutely agree. It's all about context here, that's really the heart of the whole debate. Or more to the point, perhaps the heart of the debate is really the stickiness of semantics.

yes exactly

The problem is that context is created in order to support or convey a purpose. The purpose is clear to anyone who understands the context, but if the context is taken literally sometimes the purpose is corrupted.

The purpose in this case is to prevent pornographic photographs on this site, or more directly, to prevent the liability that having pornographic photographs on the site would create. But now on this site, we have a lot of admins who confuse context with purpose, or lack the intelligence to see the purpose and why protecting that is more important than quibbling over context. The TOS/AUP has gradually become more and more vague over the years, highlighting the importance of keeping it simple to protect the core functions of the site, but the staff have gone the other direction, interpreting the vagueness out of context to mean whatever the inappropriate enforcement flavor of the week is. Now we're just adding clauses left and right explicitly blocking perfectly harmless things, because the staff can't prioritize, or handle administrating a site without clear-cut black-and-white legalese (which in of itself is a problem, because they also lack the reading and comprehension skills to interpret complicated rules correctly.)

Bottom line, everyone's incompetent, and drama among the users is the collateral damage.

This is a good summation of the situation on the whole, right on.

It's really nothing new. I've seen this and been struggling against it for years now, and unfortunately, like many people, I got singled out one too many times in this manner, and pulled my gallery.

I don't understand why deductive reasoning eludes so many admins that these problems can be so virulent on a site like this. My ultimate conclusion in this case is just cronyism. Admins aren't here because they're qualified for the job, only because they sucked up to the right people.

Haha, cronyism. That's a much more fun word than "nepotism."

Nepotism implies a genetic/marriage relationship to the person. As much as I'm sure people like to think of our admins as all just one big incestuous family, cronyism is the more appropriate word.

Haha, I'll... just plead the fifth on that one.

It's nothing we don't already know. (;

Thanks for the breed-backup! :D I personally -do- frequent a harness with my suit; however, it has never been used in a sexual/mature degree. I don't really care if FA decided to ban mature fursuit photos, but I would be outraged if I can't wear a harness because it's "too suggestive".

If nothing else, I'm just a tad confused as to why there IS an adult/mature fursuit category if it violates the AUP.

No prob its like telling a dog owner your dog cant wear a harness cause it sexual. I think harness and collars should not be considered bondage unless they are being used in such a manner in the photo.

While it does say that, yes, tt really depends on the facts of the case.

I'm taking it all with a grain of salt.

On the one hand yes there are rules and some of them have some very good reasons behind them.

On the other hand these rules have often and recently been enforced in a most unprofessional manner.

You can really go overboard in moderating even if your intentions are "benevolent".

Thanks for keeping us updated, D.

I agree.

- Fennec

The line about benevolent intentions reminded me of this:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences." -- C.S. Lewis

From your responses I can tell you did not see any of the pictures being discussed so why weigh in at all? The images taken down weren't in violation of the AUP and had nothing to do with bondage or anything.

may-haps a admin limiter system could be a future solution... just a thought but it seems that these things happen a lot and its giving FA a bad name. maybe limiting the admin system or creating a brand new system would actually help. within reason of course. again, just a thought...

what exactly is this all about? this issue apparently has gone completely past me :O

Me toooo.......

Admins have been removing sexually suggestive images of fursuits and apparently it's ripping the very fabric of space and time for some folks.

but that has been against the rules since forever ago O_o and the new rules say that images cant be rated higher than general... i dont see what the problem is.

Well, the problem is that people have been ignoring these rules and now the Admins have acted upon the violations and ITS ALL THEIR FAULT.

It's both simple to understand and sad.

you know whats the most satisfying part about a resolved trouble ticket? the butthurt journal that the user whom you reported makes afterwards X3
"BAAAAWWWW MY CRAPPY STOLEN MEME GOT REMOVED IM GONNA LEAVE FA FOREVER AND COME BACK TWO WEEKS LATER AND ACT AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED!! DX"

"Photographic work must be suitable for all ages, and submissions MAY NOT be rated higher than General. Photography involving mature or adult situations or illicit activity are not allowed."

Actually it is Having photos up of people, in suit or not, in sexual situations does break the AUP.

The sexual situation/mature photography is very much a blanket rule. One can't post a picture of themselves in sexy lingerie, nor can they post a picture of themselves in the same lingerie just in a fursuit. It applies to all general photography.

I understand being upset that works that didn't not break AUP getting removed. That is wrong. I've seen some removed of a suiter just sitting on a couch, and its wrong to remove that.

But as for the pics of people in suit in sex portions, thrusting into others, pretending to preform oral, etc, it is more than understandable for those to be removed.


There's a lot of fine hairs here and a lot of grey area. Our problem is that a lot of lines where crossed and a lot of people disagree where those lines are.

Photographic work must be suitable for all ages, and submissions MAY NOT be rated higher than General. Photography involving mature or adult situations or illicit activity are not allowed. This includes images containing nudity, sex toys, sexually modified plushies or fursuits (where modifications are visible or obvious), gore (blood, wounds, death) or alluding to illegal activity. Uploading adult or pornographic photography may result in an automatic suspension.

It says nothing about suggestive poses. The AUP regards actual situations and modified furs hits showing genitalia. Not that the images being removed were even suggestive in the least.

Fursuits not furs hits. Damn autocorrect.

funny, "and submissions MAY NOT be rated higher than General" was added last week in the fallout after I got suspended for rating photography as mature even though it wasn't at the time against the AUP. The admin who did it was very clearly wrong, but of course accountability is unheard of here, and so everyone else just amended the rules to make his harassment of me OK.

to clarify: was rated as mature due to profanity, and the fact that it is inappropriate for underage people to follow my account due to the large amount of porn in submissions and journals.

Though, being in suggestive poses, such as a sex position, etc, is an adult situation. So, the rule still applies.

Bending over isn't exclusively a sex position nor is a lot of other poses. And it would seem that the head admin of fa also disagrees with you from the looks of this journal.

No its not, but the pic of someone bending over with someone right up against them are sexual in nature.


There's a lot of grey area here, and some submissions shouldn't have been removed, but some of them should.

Ive been hugged from behind its not always sexual

No, its not.

But I'm referring to pics of people bent over with someone behind them with their crotch up against the bent over person. That's sexual.

... so, this is about useless furs that can't be arsed to read the ToS and AUP whining and bitching when they are eventually found out and actioned?

once more the idiotic self-entitlement complex in the fandom shows it's ugly head.

pmuch

HEY that guy did it too ^

Yeah you're both in the wrong here.

Oh, heavens.

Except a number of the images were not sexual or actually suggestive at all. Someone was being a 'tard and removing stuff they shouldn't have. See Dragoneer's latest comments below.

Please give us an update on what actually happened when you found out.

this

thank you

this x2

The problem is that it's up to personal judgement- something furries aren't exactly known for having stellar senses of. So what one person deems sexual- OH MY GOD THAT OTTER IS LAYING ON HIS SIDE WAVING AT THE CAMERA! BAWLEETED! Isn't necissarily what the majority of folks would think. I don't care about sexual photos being removed, as there's none in my gallery- but if anyone decided to go through professional 'sample' galleries(Here's what I have for sale, etc, etc) it would seriously mess with a lot of folk's business.

agreed... though there ARE some mods that aren't power-tripping ego-maniacs, it seems that there are still those types here.

once more i'll say it... this site needs an H.R. department/person to be the "bad guy" and police the mods.

And here I thought it was the usual hyperbolic "mountains out of molehill" thing that users seem to like to do now and then (happens enough i stop paying attention to it personally). But it's apparently a real issue. :x

I hope it's resolved then.

Please let us know what happened via Days Of Our Lives episode clips.

lol this ^

I think somebody hacked a adim account and when on a trolling spree again.

No accounts were hacked.

Glad to hear your looking into it. I'm not a suiter but i have alot of friends that are and ive never seen such an outrage. I like this site even with all its flaws and problems and dont want to see it go with the wind over someones mistakes/ego or whatever happened. I don't know the back story and don't pretend to, I just know the outcome was not in anybody's best interest.

It's just because lav and der are popufurs. That's the main reason why anyone cared at all basically >> I think lol

At first, then alot of other suiters pics went down so it was a whole horde of popufurs and their fans running around with baseball bats looking for someone to beat lol They were just the ones who drew the most attention, ive had like 40 journals from suiters whos pics were removed show up in the last day.

40 PEOPLES PICS? WTF

I know right lol. Whoever did it went a little crazy

ya, this hit a loooot more than just Lav and Der. They were among the first to be hit but far from the only ones.

'neer. its alright. they obviously broke the rules and are now whining about it.
as far as i can see these images were clearly AUP violations :I

You obviously didn't see the amount of innocent pics he took down as well.

Only those with perverted mindsets see things that are inappropriate, where no such suggestive material exist in the first place.

where they rated as mature or adult? because then it was perfectly fine to remove them.

They were rated general, and some were as simple as a suitor reclined on a sofa. Not in a suggestive way at all.

Unless you find reclining in a sofa to be some come on for a bad 80's porno. -shrug-

good point :P

as i said below, i havent seen the images. and from my own experience most users tend to make a GIANT fuzz about it when their images get removed and start screaming censorship and the like.
while some of these images might have been suitable for FA im sure that the majority were AUP violations.

You didn't see the images so you have no right to put in your two cents. The pictures in question weren't violations and that's what this fuss is about.

You haven't seen the images and yet you comment on them breaking the AUP? Perhaps you should wait until you've actually seen what was removed.

Just minutes ago you weren't sure what happened,

lollazer

(No Subject) Posted: half-an-hour ago
what exactly is this all about? this issue apparently has gone completely past me :O

Now you already have an opinion and are sure of it after talking to Trigger and not hearing from anyone else. NICE, most of the fuss is not only about the types of images that were removed, but also how many folks were suspended without warning. Next time do the world a favor and get both sides before making a post.

Chilllllll pilllllll

Only they weren't.

The root problem is the "rules" are pretty damn subjective. Its all about inturpatation.
Most of the pics that were removed were nothing more then just a suiter posing or the like. Suggestiveness in my inturpitation would be more along the lines of a murrsuit in a jockstrap or something similar. A suiter on a bed posing really just doesnt make it instantly porn.

i havent seen the images in question. but from what i have heard they were clearly against the rules.
were they marked as mature or adult?

no they weren't marked adult because most werent. Do you consider a suiter in a sled harness in a public space at a con to be Adult?

I do hope you mean "interpretation."

Why is it that people like you blindly rush to defend that which you do not understand nor have the information to back yourselves up?

Why is it people like you blindly rush to denounce that which you do not understand nor have the information to back yourselves up?

While no doubt some photos were against AUP there were TONS that were not in the least bit against the AUP in any way shape or form and Dragoneer even states it in this very journal.

Wtf are you talking about I didn't say anything was violating the AUP and if you look above to the comment I am replying to before getting on my case

My two cents:

While maybe 1 or 2 of my images removed could be technically against the AUP. Others clearly were not. When given the reason for the submission removal by the admin, he state the quoted AUP policy in question and then went on to say that while my images did not violate the AUP, they were "suggestive".

There is nothing in the AUP about "suggestive" posing. None at all.

Hopefully this gets resolved properly! Good luck 'neer.

I honestly don't get why some people make such a big drama out of this, hope you manage to calm both sides down :)

I think that some users on the site, to be honest, think they're above the rules and think they're gifts from God. Believe me on that.

*admins

me thinks someone or someones are going to get spanked with a hammer not necessarily the ban hammer but A hammer none the less for all this retarded dick waving thats been running amuck

This is extremist and stupid. Even Fender's picture got deleted. Quit the admin rights to whoever did this, please.

RED TEXT MAKES ME NOTICEABLE

This text hurts my eyes, stop it or I report you for hurting my eyes with your suggestive red text.

:P

*high five* XD

Hooray! :D I enjoy high fives!

That text... =/

That admin who suspend innocent people... =/

You're a moron.

Oh you blocked me. So badass.

You're still a moron.

I know you're probably going to ignore this, but honestly, I think you need to remove all current mods and start finding new ones that might not pull shit like this. I don't know much about the pictures that got deleted, but it seems like once a week some drama over shitty admining stirs up. -.-

Or just make sure that his mods have day jobs or something so they they wont get bored and look for shit to change :P They should stick to the trouble tickets and not go looking for stuff.

That's not an answer to the problem. Axing everyone for one or two people... that's ridiculous. Take care of the problem, NOT punish those who were doing their jobs.

^This

Well if people who didn't do their jobs appropriately ACTUALLY got axed, I think the end outcome would be about the same, wouldn't it?

That's how it works though. One kid causes a problem you and you punish them all so that they don't do it in turn. Then you don't have anyone else trying to take a dump in the teachers desk.

Actually it is, it happens at my job frequently to several departments and because of them screwing up time and time again. And when we start to notice who it is of us it my job that mess up we start getting on each other and nipping that problem in the butt so to speak or we start blowing the whistle towards the managers and they look into it is it persists.

If you so call own the web site or are the head admin you need to be that head admin and not treat the other admins as you buddies and treat as if they were your employees. But this is how it looks for us when looking from the inside of the fish bowl towards all the admins you have under you. It's even sad that there are some of us who have gone to you about something and me personally hearing a few people say you have ignored them and not gotten back to them about a problem.

Honestly if I were an admin here I'd take it seriously like I do my job even if I get paid for what I do ON or OFF the clock. But you do seriously need to think of a way to punish the admins even if you wont cut one or two of them, but punishing them will get them to think about their actions and what actions the other admins are taking and how they are taking them.

The site is understaffed as it is. There are also a lot of departments that have no choice but to keep those "bad" employees because there are way too few people looking for a job in their sector. It sucks that some of the mods are incompetent, but firing them all over one incident is not only melodramatic, but will cause a long-term issue of running the site understaffed. And it isn't a good idea to fill those spots by hiring somebody out of the blue; as you can see, some mods will push their own agendas. Who's to say the next one they hire wouldn't do the same thing? It takes time to find a good replacement.

Oh man WHAT.

GOES TO CHECK THAT GALLERY HASNT BEEN FUCKED WITH... all of my fursuit images got wiped in my last hard drive crash. I sure hope nothing in my gallery got touched ;_;

I check your account vigorously for references to build my own suit, and you didnt have ANY pics that were "suggestive" at all!

<3 Thanks so much. I figured it would be alright but you never know! Sometimes someone gets a bug up their butt and suddenly it's like a purge happened! Thank you for letting me know though, and for the flattering comment! (Note me if you ever have any questions!)

I hate to be "that guy", especially in this thread... but... FA's not a backup service. You may want to save your images down and archive them somewhere (just in case).

I know it isn't, I'm just expressing my distress. I already backed them up yesterday, fortunately.

We want new mods!

+1

^this

Folders, filters, a report button and fixing the note system would be good too.

VCL had folders, but FA has had 7 years and still hasn't got them. :<

Look at this:

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7798236/

I don't understand how that picture of Fender could be considered verboten. It ought to be re-uploaded.

That picture was not against the rules (well, it was for the user who reposted it, but the image itself is fine). Not all the images removed were against the rules, hence why I'm angry.

lol furries.

OH NO YOU TOOK AWAY MY MURRY PURRIES.

I'm glad I can be a respectable suiter.

If you cant upload suggestive/mature pics of fursuiters why is there a fursuit (Adult) section on the website in the submission theme tab.

Ex. Submission theme - Fetish/Furry specialty (Mature) - Fursuit (Adult)

I think either the rules need to be updated/altered to allow tame mature photos like a suggestive pose no full blown making out in suits or they remove these titles in the theme tab in submissions so people can stop being mislead.

Those will be removed when we get a chance.

ok sounds like a plan

In relation to the Fursuit (Adult) section, are you saying you will be removing that option or where you referring to something else?

http://img.lulz.net/src/wut.png

Putting in a good word for a Crafts/Handmade category to be added. *crosses fingers*

I second this!!! o w o!

Apparently, voicing opinions around here makes you against everyone.
Hurry and get this situation settled so Users will stop attacking people just because their opinion is different then theirs.

I say we set fire to everything and watch the flames, and then afterwards, dance on the ashes of what was once furaffinty.net. :D

-Rubs temples and sighs- To be honest, I feel like this whole thing was blown out of proportion by those that have had their pictures removed. Not all mind you, but the rapid fire of journals and the explosive hate over FA was excessive. I have accidentally had things removed before. It wasn't getting angry and pointing fingers left and right that got the misunderstanding taken care of, it was being mature and taking the proper routes. People really need to try to be calm and mature about this, because no one wants to help someone who is throwing a tantrum or pointing fingers and being rude and hateful. It is not like the images can not be uploaded again if this situation or the images are to be found safe and a mistake or misunderstanding has occurred.

Thank you for responding to this and looking into it. While I am not affected personally about images being removed - I grow tired of the 'we hate FA' journals over every little instance. So It's to my benefit to see it responded to quickly. Please let us all know of the outcome.

Correction: Some of those that had their pictures removed* I recognize that not everyone over-reacted.

Honestly it may not be a big deal to you but it is to the rest of us. Overreacting or not, it was kept mostly to journals and they are there for expressing views both negative and positive. If you're tired of reading it just delete them. ^^

To be fair it was more than just an issue over pictures being removed and disagreement over whether they were in violation of AUP or not. It was also the sudden suspension of  lavshep and  howiepup's accounts (both since reinstated) because of those alleged violations. I think that was the flashpoint.

Fair point on all the FA hate and fingerpointing. It is wearying. Glad this is being looked into.

And bot Lav and Der are two of my favorite suiters, too... so it really makes the situation that much more aggravating.

lav and der are completely awesome

Being angry over the suspension, is definitely warranted. Though there were really some people that took it to far without even having things removed or without even having to go through a suspension. I just feel that there is a limit to which the finger pointing and hate can be beneficial before turning counterproductive.

I'm glad it's being looked into as well.

I actually agree with you which is why, even though I personally know the pair as well as many suiters that started that whole journal war, I didn't take part in it. Still, given that I'm aware of much of the content that was removed, I can understand people's annoyance/anger about it. The thing is that some of this anger has built up over other issues than just fursuit photos for some time now as well as I've seen FA going about with double standards for years and it's just been getting progressively worse. In the end the problems simply boiled down to a few bad eggs on Admin staff but it's actually driven a lot of folk I know away from FA entirely and is part of the reason why so many sites are now under development or have opened up to compete with FA (though so far none have been as successful but I think that's mostly because people are just used to going to FA)

I need more! More fodder to the flames! Muahahahaha!

I'm totally enjoying this way to much omg I need to be stopped. (No, don't stop me )

I'm glad this has been brought to your attention, and I can fully understand your anger.

Being a key witness AND a major contributor to this recent event, I'm more than happy to be contacted about this matter.

Thanks for looking at this Prey. Didn't affect my gallery at all, but it's obviously upset a number of people - which rocks the boat. FA is run very well and has stood the test of time. I wouldn't want to see folks leaving it due to some freak incident.

This website is barely 7 years old, is hasn't stood any real test of time and has been plagued with problems of all sorts since it's start. The only reason people are here is because there's nowhere better to go yet.

In web-terms, that's a lifetime and you're certainly entitled to your opinion regarding problems. I myself have experienced little in way of issues - but since Prey is actively reading this thread, perhaps now would be a good time for you to voice them.

The issues I have with this site have been long since and thoroughly addressed elsewhere. And in web terms, no, it's not particularly long. An no matter what I say anyways, the endless flood of hardware issues, inept/selfish/emo/double standard loving admins, and all other manner of drama lamaing that stews on this site will continue on without change. At least until something better comes along, hopefully actually managed by people with the objective maturity necessary to run this type of site. Doubtful, but hey, one can hope.

Yay =)

Thank God you're here to solve these problems.
People here are very pissed about this ridiculous issue.

totschrei has nothing to do with differing opinions but rather that you are jumping to conclusions without knowing the situation. You werent being attacked, you were being corrected.

Thank you for looking into these dragoneer! :)

Maybe admins who do some unfortunate foolish things that are out-of-line need to get suspended for a week or two. Not to mention stripped of their authority completely or for a predetermined length of time based on a three strike system.

Strikes can be negated if they offer a formal apology.

And no, I have no idea what the huge issue is, but have seen admins make many people upset before. And I believe they need to be held accountable for their actions.

The justice hammer shall fall

as far as i've heard and seen:
iamges found too suggestive with fursuits, and then those pelvic thrust icons as well. (yet we still have the booty shots, bouncing boos, etc icons?...just sayin')

all i've seen on my end at least. :)

Oh also, I think the word "Suggestive" is my new favorite word for describing everything.

Here's some examples:
"My, that food looks rather suggestive, I could really see myself eating out that food"

"Golly, this hedge looks suggestive, I better trim the bush"

"That storm cloud looks super suggestive, we'd better get inside before it gets us wet"

...

This is me without sleep

I like it

Then I did my job

From what I can see, 'Neer, there's really only ONE way to handle this.

They totally abused Admin powers, went on a power-spree deleting stuff that shouldn't have been deleted (removing god knows how many comments and such in the process), and were suspending users without any kind of previous warning or anything.

Simply put...who EVER did this needs to have their powers revoked, at least partially. Do not leave them with the ability to do this again, as it could be much worst the next time around.

Knock them down to Mod, if you want to keep them on staff...but I think you'd be better off removing them completely from staff and picking new folks to step up.

^ I agree on this statement

There's actually a bit more to this story than not, actually. Having dug through the details, it's not so transparent as "admin abuse". I wish it were, as that'd make my life simple in resolving it. But it's not that simple.

In that case, it might be worthy to actually make an report and tell the users what is going on.

Don't leave us in the dark, because right now, this has just horribly angered a great portion of your userbase, and they have a right to know what just happened.

I will share what I know when it's resolved. It's not resolved.

That's what I'm talking about, when it's resolved.

WHat would you report now? "OH, well, we know there's a problem...no, it's not admin abuse...least, not fully, and umm....we're still working on it~?"

Just saying, when it's wrapped up, inform the user base. It'll help build communications, make some good will, yadda yadda. Is good!

its not admin abuse! its "raged admin abuse"

So does this mean you might actually start cracking down on your staff and making then have some sort of due process in how things are handled? Seriously, the amount of drama I see simply over lack of any sort of communication and immediate, unwarned bannings is bewildering.

your username + icon makes me extremely hungry, shoo

I can't help it if I'm delicious. Un(?)fortunately, that's a property of being a sentient dinner food!

PSHH DINNER FOOD W/E

I'll eat that for breakfast to be honest x3

I've been cracking down on staff, and let a handful of admins go of late. And yes, the communication problem needs to be fixed.

I'm glad to hear that. The real question is, though: WILL the communication issues get fixed?

Yes. They will. And they've been improving week over week on our side. We've been towards exactly that.

I think someone wanted to take over. If ive heard correctly it was a new admin thats been doing this.

You heard incorrectly.

then ima go kick someones butt, brb

Thank you for looking in to it

As i see it the problem resides in that the admins suspended and removed tons of fursuit images that in most opinions had less then (if at all) 1% hint in any adult sexual material.

Even the image that fender has held for a really long time has been deleted. Only person who thinks that it is offensive is someone who has no understanding of furry fandom.

I want to also add to this that i would have done better.

Thanks for looking into it, Neer!

Huh? No, leave them out. Who needs fursuit pics, or any kinda pics for that matter. Lets delete everything off FA and turn it into one large forum. The rest of the internet likes to ban and crack down on furry here and there. Lets just do it here and destroy the fandom

I keep my fingers crossed that this issue with fursuit images will be fixed and looking forward the report.

I trust that you'll be able to resolve this issue.

I would personally suggest that in the cases of AUP changes or clarifications, and/or the large scale subsequent removal of (potentially) infringing content, an announcement is made about it detailing what will be removed and starting from when, at least a few days in advance. Thereby giving notice and a chance for people to remove their own content which is (now) infringing.
Large scale surprises are generally bad news, and lead to unhelpful ambiguity and speculation.

I think it would help if the rules more clearly defined what IS and is NOT allowed when it comes to fursuit photos, besides the "no obvious zipper" rule.

For instance, are photos of fursuiters wearing boxers/underwear allowed?
Is the line drawn when theyre posing seductively or normally?
Are harnesses/collars allowed when worn normally, but banned if used in a sexual/fetishy way? (I would hope the later would be banned)

I think if these things were defined a bit better it would help people know what can and cannot be posted. :)

If you need to see the comments and what was removed, it was this: http://pics.livejournal.com/scamps/pic/0000rxb7

I sure as hell don't want to view some covered fursuit's ass on the front page..

Also it's like Snuggle is trying to make himself a martyr or some shit with him trying or getting others to post similar photos.

I never necessarily aimed for or expected people to join in with me, people just so happened to agree with the notion and helped get the message across by doing what I did. :)

It succeeded, both my picture and the Fender picture were removed, as opposed to just one of them. The Fender picture proved whomever suspended Lav and Der, as well as removed many 'suggsetive' submissions (even when a substantial amount were not) to be a hypocrite. Not to mention the "Fursuit (Adult)" tag in the browse section.

Destroying hypocrisy is a just cause, to say the least.

And i dont want to view some hardcore BDSM artwork on the front page. so whats your point? you cant always get what you want.

That's not even what started this; that was a RESPONSE to what happened.

Good lord man, at least know what you're using as evidence for your own argument!

Finally we are doing something about these suggestive fursuit pictures!! I hope the next thing in line are all those suggestive actual food pictures. As someone who can't find the time to cook a great meal I find it offensive that others are able to do it and post pictures about it!

agreed

If you can't cook it in a microwave, it's too complex for furaffinity amirite

Stay calm and put the kettle on. This could take a while

Your avatar just made my day. XD

One of my pics that you faved got deleted, actually.. -Not mad or anything, just letting you know.. -it wasn't sugestive at all (nothing I do ever is) . It was a pic taken from downtown Anoka during the cities halloween event. *shurgs*

About a suggestion to solve the root of the issue. That a personal taste and subjective opinion of a single person lay to blame here.

I suggest trying to make it that a nod or admin can not outright ban or remove art and people on their own. Rather they flag an image for removal. Said image receives a placeholder and one/two other (random?) oods get a message to review and vote. If one agrees, the appropriate action continues. I would suggest one for art removal. Two for a ban. Of course accounts marked would be temporary unviewable too.

More red tape and work. More coding too. But also no relying on one persons whim and mood.

I have no idea about the current removed photos as I am not too much into suits. But I hope to offer a practical solution.Like engineer . Horosho!

The problem is the incredibly vague "Rules" on this, not to mention any complex coding on the ancient state that FA is currently built upon would be utmost horror to add anything major.

I agree if it's possible for them to do.