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17 years ago
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I don't like it...
... when people who don't draw porno are really snooty and high-horsed about it. (What's the point of this behaviour?)
... when they complain about how they could get more faves/watches/etc if they did draw it. (No shit, furry is a fetish, get used it. Or, get better at art, one of the two.)
... when they complain about how everyone just wants to see porn. (Again, duh, furry is a fetish. No matter how much anyone denies it, almost all of the furry fandom are sexually attracted to furries in some manner.)
... when they say stuff like, 'you wish I drew porn'. (Fuck you, ass hole! Unwatch!)
... when they say that drawing porn is the easy way. (Drawing porn isn't easy! Bodies in all these awkward positions, no clothes to hide anatomy botches, all kinds of fluids and crazy facial expressions, etc.)
... when they imply that it is a lower form of illustration, or that it somehow degrades them as an illustrator. (Besides that statement being a VERY Judeo-Christian notion and therefore only apt in the context of specific cultures... Not all of us want to be the next Art Spiegelman! Some of us just like to have fun and draw fun stuff. What's so wrong with that?)
... when they talk too much about how they don't draw porno. (That's a really childish and relative way to define one's self, and is ultimately pointless and desperate.)
... when they complain about FA being 'just a porno site'. (That's like going to a BDSM store and complaining about how the place focuses too much on harnesses and whips, and not enough on leather wallets. Yeah, a lot of the art here is porno. Probably because FURRY IS A FETISH. Don't like it? Turn off adult material in your god damn preferences, pinhead!!)
Obviously there's a ton of amazing artists here that do not draw porno and do not act as the examples above. Really, they're the majority. But, there are some who do act as the above examples, I see it fairly frequently. And it's fucking obnoxious!!
EDIT: I'm using the term 'fetish' here quite loosely and for lack of a better word, to describe anything from "kink" to "sexual attraction" to "full-on, if-there's-no-fur-I-can't-orgasm". In addition, I am NOT saying that all furry is fetish, just that furry is a fetish. (Just as, for example, not all leather is fetish, but leather is a fetish.)
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OK, wanted to get that out of my system.
In other news, SWEET, SWEET PORNO COLLECTION, AD Monthly Apr 08, COMING OUT IN TWO DAYS! ACES!!
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I don't like it...
... when people who don't draw porno are really snooty and high-horsed about it. (What's the point of this behaviour?)
... when they complain about how they could get more faves/watches/etc if they did draw it. (No shit, furry is a fetish, get used it. Or, get better at art, one of the two.)
... when they complain about how everyone just wants to see porn. (Again, duh, furry is a fetish. No matter how much anyone denies it, almost all of the furry fandom are sexually attracted to furries in some manner.)
... when they say stuff like, 'you wish I drew porn'. (Fuck you, ass hole! Unwatch!)
... when they say that drawing porn is the easy way. (Drawing porn isn't easy! Bodies in all these awkward positions, no clothes to hide anatomy botches, all kinds of fluids and crazy facial expressions, etc.)
... when they imply that it is a lower form of illustration, or that it somehow degrades them as an illustrator. (Besides that statement being a VERY Judeo-Christian notion and therefore only apt in the context of specific cultures... Not all of us want to be the next Art Spiegelman! Some of us just like to have fun and draw fun stuff. What's so wrong with that?)
... when they talk too much about how they don't draw porno. (That's a really childish and relative way to define one's self, and is ultimately pointless and desperate.)
... when they complain about FA being 'just a porno site'. (That's like going to a BDSM store and complaining about how the place focuses too much on harnesses and whips, and not enough on leather wallets. Yeah, a lot of the art here is porno. Probably because FURRY IS A FETISH. Don't like it? Turn off adult material in your god damn preferences, pinhead!!)
Obviously there's a ton of amazing artists here that do not draw porno and do not act as the examples above. Really, they're the majority. But, there are some who do act as the above examples, I see it fairly frequently. And it's fucking obnoxious!!
EDIT: I'm using the term 'fetish' here quite loosely and for lack of a better word, to describe anything from "kink" to "sexual attraction" to "full-on, if-there's-no-fur-I-can't-orgasm". In addition, I am NOT saying that all furry is fetish, just that furry is a fetish. (Just as, for example, not all leather is fetish, but leather is a fetish.)
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OK, wanted to get that out of my system.
In other news, SWEET, SWEET PORNO COLLECTION, AD Monthly Apr 08, COMING OUT IN TWO DAYS! ACES!!
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But people thumbing their noses at the porn need to open their fucking eyes to this group.
you wanted to get the jizz across
on an anthropomorphic father's face
CLEVER.
ALSO
DRAW THAT
And also, to you AD, I bet you five bucks you will get a bunch of people bawwwing about how "FURRY IS NOT A FETISH, IT'S A LIFESTYLE. :U" ;)
Kev
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I don't really draw it myself, or if I do I keep to the realms of fetish, however I don't discourage it. Art is not safe afterall, it's an expressive medium!
And besides, the first pics in Playboy were hand drawn illustrations;)
Someone had to say it >.<
And it pisses me off when people say that porn is a lesser form of illustration/art.
And obviously, to each their own with what they consider a fetish... maybe I'm misunderstanding. I always thought furry art was a fantasy alternative to drawing people. I do agree with you on the rest tho, people need to chill out about the adult art!
I can't STAND people who hold that point of view x_x argh, I can't think of anything to say, you said it perfectly *would fav this journal if I could*
AND YOURE CONTRIBUTING
TO THE DEMISE OF SOMETHING
THAT PREVIOUSLY WAS CREDIBLE
oh wait
HILARIOUS
Hahah, I agree
two things I MUST get better at drawing, or all will be lost.
( Probably could use a house cock lol )
Huge.
... had some random venting paragraph attached but decided to delete it instead :<
It's incredibly Judeo-Christian, you're correct. And for cultures such as the US who advertise "sex sex sex you're nothing without sex" constantly, you'd think Americans (mainly) would be a little less prudish about it. I don't watch you because furry turns me on (it sort of weirds me out, honestly, but I do my best to be an innocent passerby) I watch you because I love your art style, character designs, and ideas. As well as color pallets! I love your usage of colors. There. I'm not a furry. I'm a colory. I just think colors are so fukken hot unnnf yes
But yeah, tl;dr version: I don't watch you for the spooge, un-watch you for the spooge either. I think your art is awesome, and I agree with your views on snooty "clean" (as though sex is dirty?) artists. Keep on keepin' on.
-Earwig
Also, thank you for the props!! :3
And you get most of my props. The rest are saved for... well no, take them all.
What this country stood for was good at first, but it fell apart. ( Waiting on another war..hopeful one that destroys this country. ) Reason being, is that its grown to full of itself, and grown lazy. The messed part in all this I was born in England, and was raised in America...And I found out that the biggest haters of America, live in it. ( See, irony begins ) Jeezus What I do to leave this country. ( And what I have tried...uh...didn't work. )
* Wishes he and his lover was out of the country too * Honestly me and him are saving up to leave this country, Move to England, or Canada. * We both have family in both countries *
I've been involved with local student exchanges to Germany and the different approaches to sex between our country and theirs are mind blowing... I'll never forget hearing about the guy (high school ages, mind you) who when asked about what he thought of America/how it contrasted to Germany complained about how parents are so uptight on keeping bedroom doors open and not letting their children have enough privacy when they have a girlfriend/boyfriend over. He said in Germany if you came out of your room with your hair messed up (implying you were getting some action) it was rude to confront the situation.
It was rude? Woa shit!
Why do it in your house? Car, park, anywhere but there.
I didn't mean that as an offensive statement, more of a surprised reaction to the idea.
because man
those things are objectively distasteful
anyway i wish i had the gumption to bark out journals like these because lawd knows it's on my mind. but i can't be arsed. boooo
And honestly I state this at all over Religion-Christian assheads ( Not you directly, but maybe it is ) : " Get the fuck out of here, like you never feel those emotions. Who are you to say that people can't draw such drawings, and for that matter make them feel bad about it. "
and no, nobody needs to be 'bashed once in a while' over this. chill out punchy
Trust me, people need to be bashed once in a while, sometimes for a reality check. ( and the bashing part wasn't about drawing porn part, it was about/for the people that think they are too good for you. Yes, they need to be knocked off there high horse once in a while )
I + fave this comment in my mind
and just after posting this i thought "this all presumes that tastefulness is an intrinsic duty of art"
but you know, i could go on
I SOMETIMES DO
I call neon lime green and nobody else can have it or they'll be copying me and I feel very strongly about the colour because it's part of my soul and super personal to me and no one can have it .
*fapping 2 colour porn*
And I spell colour with a u so I am more important than you ;)
objectively
or possibly awsome.
actually, both.
I should post my old avatar (which I drew in a business graphics package) to drive this point home.
Hehe! Preach!
Darwing porn is HARDER! A lot harder. Not only is it harder to come up with original ideas when drawing porn because your stuck in a very narrow paradigm, but to make it even worse, fans can be extremely fickle. Change your themes just slightly and you could end up totally alienating yourself. I've certainly done some work that raised some eyebrows in the "not so good" way and the reaction was definately noticable from here.
Also the demands on porn are greater. Not only does the pic have to be technically good (Line, color, composition) but it also has to be hot. So hot that someone will want to get off to it. That the point isn't it? Even if a picture is good, if it's not hot, it fails.
My 2c
-Zoid
And...
OMFG! PORN! ON THE INTERNET! HOLY FUCK!
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...meanwhile, I actually don't commission any porn peices (Attempted to do so only once), and rarely pay for adult material. I prefer clean arts, to be honest.
That "clean" artists say it's the easy way out - that's just not true. Well I suppose it kind of is. In terms of knowledge and difficulty there is no difference. But with porn, people seem to care less about the quality of it. So you can draw worse than someone else and still get the same reaction.
And I want them in Helvetica 24pt, bold, red color!
As for me, I do look at porn, but I prefer clean art. I generally almost never fave porn, because I prefer to fave art that I could actually show to friends without weirding them out. And I don't intend for my character to ever be drawn in a porn piece. But that doesn't mean that I look down on porn or people who like it more than I do; I simply don't want much to do with it myself.
So I think your journal, while some of its points are valid, is to some extent overly strident.
And, of course it's true that kids don't think of furries in the same way as, say, the people on this site. I'm talking about adults here. If some little kid likes animal stuff and has all kinds of disney and warner bros crap, and stuffed animals, battle beasts, etc, I wouldn't call him a furry. But if it was an adult with all the same stuff, I call furry on that.
Also, I didn't mean to imply that furry was a fetish for EVERYONE who likes furry stuff, just that furry is a fetish. Fetish isn't even an entirely correct term here (as you mentioned), somewhere above I mentioned that I used the term for lack of a better one.
Really, the journal isn't about any of this stuff; The point of it is that I don't like snobs who are conceited and vociferous about the fact that they don't draw porn.
YOUR MOM IS
1) I can't
2) It's not the kind characters I have
3) I like emotions derived from other forms of expression that sex.
4) I can't think of good porn.
5) I leave the sex stuff up to people who've had it (virgin)
6) I want people to respect what I draw, and I won't gain the respect I ask for by drawing porn.
7) Seel and 0r0ch1 strongly influence my confidence that porn isn't the only thing that appeals to furries.
8) I don't like comments based on a majority consensus.
9) Going for ten reasons.
10) Objective complete.
Porn is awesome, but I leave that in more capable hands.
but ohwell~ different trips for different pips, right?
as for ultimate genji, yeah~
although, i do respect other peoples choices and stuff~ i mean, you cant force people to like what you want them to like~ porn can go to those who want it~
2. any object, idea, etc., eliciting unquestioning reverence, respect, or devotion: "to make a fetish of high grades".
The singular problem with the word fetish, at least around here, is that it is instantly associated with 6ft tall dicks sprouting mini-dicks like a giant milky dicktree. A dicktree... of fetishes.
Fetish doesn't have to mean it's sexual. :)
Furries need to chill out, like, all the time.
But I'm gonna have to disagree about "furry" bein' nuthing but a fetish.. Though there is a large amount of "furry-porn", not everyone is into it. Like furs that read Redwall (and similar books) or furcomics. FurAffinity.net though, yeah, most of that is gonna be porn.
but I'd be a bigger hypocrite than I already am if I kept it up, so I don't. Granted, I don't like drawing it a lot personally and I used to shun people who drew it frequently.
But. again. hypocrisy. sides, you make a good point. It is NOT easy to draw. FA is a testimony to how WRONG PORN CAN GO. and I mean technical skills - all fetishes aside lol.
I DONT KNOW WHAT IM GOING ON ABOUT bottom line - draw what you wanna draw. I know in your case you're more than capable of drawing anything you goddamn please and you'll be good at it. curse you, Artdecade anatomy. >8U
HIGH FIVE?
it's another to get all huffy and pretentious about it though! that's what i don't like. i should have just written "I DON'T LIKE PRETENTIOUS PEOPLE" instead of this journal. also i don't like very serious people, because they think they will live forever.
HIGH FIVE!
also:
"FA is a testimony to how WRONG PORN CAN GO."
YES.
also:
shut up, you're art fucking rules and i love it, and let's give each other's egos a reach around too
:D
holy shiiiiit
it's not like i'm making some kind of amazing new point here
more like, a really roundabout way of saying pretentious people suck and are ass hole
granted i did my fair share of bitching about porn artists. still have some negative opinions on them from time to time. but i am loosening up with each passing month, to the point where i just don't really see what difference the bitching makes.
and people on the internet tend to be really bull-headed about their opinions and beliefs, courtesy of the Anonymous or Text-Only shield. thus i tend to keep silent on a lot of these ranting journals. i don't want to become a yes-man by posting my agreement to the rant's message, and i don't want to post a counter-argument when i know it'll be dismissed or made fun of for lulz.
my two cents.
It's definitely NOT the intent of the post to trash artists that draw clean stuff, just on those that are really conceited and haughty about it.
some artists, yeah, they'll post trash talk against porn artists, feeling that it's stealing their thunder n' all. but keep in mind there are other clean-only artists who may have a couple legitimate concerns 'bout the porn/clean-only thing. such as those who've already left the scene long ago, because they didn't want the smut-flying-around jeopardizing their chances of pursuing the big leagues.
putting disclaimers in these sorts of journals beforehand help.
You don't make friends with salad!...
Kev
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Your points: completely irrelevant
Have a nice day!
and the swedish.
Fuk them.
And people who say they don't watch tv D:
AND FLORIDA
Also
"when they complain about how they could get more faves/watches/etc if they did draw it."
Seems to me anyone complaining about that isn't doing it as much for the art and thus have no right to be touting their artistic "integrity" while on the other hand any really good artist, or in fact anyone who is really drawing as a creative outlet and way of expressing themselves wouldn't really care whether they were the most popular person out there.
and i'm NOT talking about the god damn juice
also i fucking love oranges and orange juice, i'm sorry i lied before, i hope we can still be furiends even though i betrayed ur trust and stuff
But them saying its not art is completely baffeling to me. Alot of the most expensive and highly praised peices in the history of art are sexual. And were "Porno" back then ... look at David ...thats male anatomy appreciation it was made to be sexually attractive to men back then.
Anyway. let tbem get a hole poked in one of their eyes and have the jelly drinked with a straw.
Semen burns your eyes!
I agree with the sentiment if not the actual wording. Y'all don't have to draw porn! We don't care! Just draw interesting crap, fer crissake, and pull the stick outta yer ass. And if you don't like the porn... GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! Quitcherbitchin.
Funny thing, though. I dunno if you're familiar with Tapestries, but it's that BDSM sex-themed MUCK. I actually had somebody whine about all the people fucking everywhere the other day. How dare people write porn in a porn chat room!
I'd put it this way: Yiff is a fetish, furry is a subculture that contains a fetish (or many fetishes, depending on how you look at it).
That being said, I am off to find more grandpa/grandson footpaw licking gen-gap incest furry porn *Skitters away*
also, GEN GAP WINS ALWAYS
Gore for FA. Porn for FAP. Since FAP is a better site.. and FA is just.. lazy and bloated.. ;;
Sooo. Uh uh uh uh. My only gripe is that I wish all the good artists were hyperfurs who like drawing tits and dicks as out of proportion and huge and fleshy as I. :(
Prudes were the reason I had to yank down some um. Porn. But I was at fault for that for um. :o) Drawing w/o permission (didn't even have contact info on the person), posted it up to FAP, some of her fans recognized the character, told her, and then down they went! Since I didn't want to argue parody and start shit. z.z;
UH. "Porn. I use it to masturbate to for the most part. I dunno what other people are doin' with it, but it's great. It's got it's place. It's got a purpose."
post to FA
commmme oooonnnnnn
i like how FAP looks, and its features, but it's slowwww
and there's more people here which means I stay here because ummm advertising. furry porno art is my living heh!
But! That's not necessary for me!! I'm not even sure if all the bullshit they talked about as announcements for Ferrox are true. Like this: The current drop-box tagging system won't be implemented. There will be a whole new custom tags system and that's it. So the current system, all the Fixed-position category stuff is supposed to be gutted and scrapped entirely?
So I dunno. Uh. Don't worry. Something tells me. Just a hunch, that you don't like hyperherms. :o) Just guessin. Dunno where this assumption is coming from! heheh.
Especially "get used it or get better at art." I'll have say it - a lot of clean furry art has zero content. "Here's me and my mate smiling; here's a wolf looking pensive; here's a dragon playing volleyball." And to be clear, that kind of art is all well and good! If you enjoy drawing it, draw it. Art is fun, so have fun with it. But to be just as clear, it's just as cliché as a horsey with his cock out. Don't think that it's original just because it's not sexalicious!
Because the furry art that I enjoy interests me somehow. It's funny, or it's thought-provoking, or adorable, or emotionally striking... or it turns me on. In other words, whether it's about sex or not, there has to be some amount of content to it. When it comes to porn, that amount is small indeed. (Doesn't take much to activate the human mating instinct!) In comparison, clean art has an uphill battle. It has to be more original and more nuanced in order to be entertaining. But that's good. That's means it's a challenge, and if you choose to face that challenge head-on then you're gonna eventually turn out some fucking amazing art. If instead you choose to whine about how unfair that challenge is... well, then you're just a whiner.
Unless you're selling to the japanese where a beating a blond girl savagely is sold as porn.
let's go get our nails did
also
other stereotypical racist comments
your icon is my desktop background
because it is amazing and fucking hysterical
"When they draw porno which does not contain any artistic elements nor artistic impressions."
(It always requires a certain level of high skill and expression to draw porno.)
There should be a part 2: "People who can't stop bawwwwwing about seeing CHARACTERS THEY RECOGNIZE FROM TV IN THEIR PORN HOLY FUCK"
i think that it IS sad when i see artists like you or grisser that dont get that much of a response when drawing something that isnt penis. i mean sure a lot of people are here for the porn but a lot of people decide to draw porn because they saw that their normal art doesnt get as much attention and everyone wants to be popular and have their art watched, and porn is a way to archive that if you dont have much skill. but again i think people should try to get better if they moan about not getting attention.
i enjoy porn but i really like clean pics that have tons of emotion, or just look visually amazing, plus some kind of concept.
its not that i dont like porn its more things i dont like in furry porn like gigantic dongs, or macro, or vore, but i understand thats is just a question of taste, so i mostly ignore images that i dont like
bleh blah blah
bottomline PEOPLE NEED TO GET FUCKIN BETTER IN SKILL. PERIOD
I CLEAN ART BUT I FAV KAWK
Well said - I feel the same way.
I do draw non porn tho, it's just mostly school work.
Where the drama at?
i mean , ok i draw porn sometimes, and i do it mostly cuz, i have been either really horny, or did it out of fun, cuz drawing porn and muscles is really FUUUUUUUUN for me, i like anatomy and i like body figure, and i really DO HOPE people like it, cuz not every porn art is good porn.
but when i draw clean stuff i mostly do it for myself and for a few people out there that i know like my clean art. like when i post my black ghost things on FA. and i know i wont get a huge amount of response on that one.
i remember when i first started, and i drew porn for the sake of getting more popular and it was FUNNNNNNNNN. my drawing back then wasnt anything special but i think it was rather average, and i knew i had to get better. and watching other artists like you, captaingerbear, grisser, decaf, tkc2021, keto, blueberserker, silverfenrir, windcatcher and many more i pushed myself to my limits to get better in skill. and i worked really hard to get where i am now and i am still trying to improve and get even better, still learning from the same artists i once was. and its really a shame when people who wanna get more known in the fandom, who wanna get more watchers, do not work hard to get skill points and achieve their goal. but instead they want the \"easy way\" and that is to draw porn
but there is a problem
when those same people try to draw porn and no one likes it. then they make a journal about it and start bitching and then leave FA
there are also those artists that KICK ASS with their clean art, perfect coloring and drawing but when they try to draw penis it just looks weird and a NO NO. from my tastes i cant expect Balaa doing something like porn, i dont think it would be my cup of tea.
when it comes to porn vs no-porn i think its like this
porn DOES get more attention cuz people are here for the porn, people joined the fandom cuz of the porn, and just cuz someone starts bitching about PORN IS NOT ART that wont change a thing.
and if you ask me I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT DO THEY BITCH ABOUT cuz there is a TOTAL LACK OF GOOD PORN.
i always say that when furs were on Yaoi Gallery everyone was pushing themselves ever harder because everyone would try to post up a good quality porn pic, the \"competition\" was good, cuz everywhere around you you see those REALLY GOOD skilled artists putting up their pics. and that made me push myself to my artistic limits. now all i see are half assed images,unfinished hundreds or wolves with penises. rarely i see anyone trying to do something new or try to better their style, 80% of people here just do quick penis doodles that no one likes, cuz they are unfinished, and they try to get popular, and thats why i think porn is bad, cuz even in porn rarely someone tries their best.
(thats what i think tho)
on a somewhat unrelated side note here, and this is just my opinion, most porn is really just the same thing over and over again with different characters and context. i don't mean that negatively, either, it's just how i see it. in that way, drawing porno CAN be a dead end for some people. BUT it can also be a really good way of exploring more technical aspects of art through limitation. because porno is essentially variations on a theme, the artist is forced to grow by experimenting with dynamics, camera angle, lighting, character interaction, poses, and other technical aspects, as well as always trying to create some new context/story/situation for the characters to be getting rutty in.
the stuff in your post about getting better and pushing one's self made me think of this and i wanted to get it out there.
"... when they imply that it is a lower form of illustration, or that it somehow degrades them as an illustrator."
A) Odd Nerdrum
Here's a man who paints women taking fat shits in plain view and self portraits with boobs and a hard on, and yet still be crowned one of the great masters of modern realism. One of history's few artists that has lived to see his own work in museums.
http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/feat.....spit6-10-9.jpg
http://www.artfacts.net/exhibpics/5899.jpg
As you can see, even the fine art arena does not revolve around someone's perception of artistic modesty.
B) Steven King
This man started off writing raunchy adult novels before moving on to writing horror stories. Who gives a damn? That's right, nobody does.
C) Egon Schiele
He served a prison sentence because his work was deemed pornographic. But that didn't stop him, In his 27 short years on Earth, he made his mark as one of the greatest artists of modern times.
D)
You have guys like this, and other talents in this place creating well-thought out, well executed images, without trying to contrive its direction to some arbitrary code of Sunday comics decency.
H.R.Geiger, Olivia, Luis Royo, Sorayama, Coop. There are scores of talented, professional illustrators that illustrate raunchy stuff all the time. Just flip open a Heavy Metal Magazine, or a Spectrum and you'll see what I mean. Their content does not demote or degrade them in any way.
Artwork, as clean or dirty as it may, can still be totally devoid of any sort of sophistication ant content. Such stuff is equally as trashy to one another, just more tasteless bullshit.
Also, art doesn't need an apology.
Steven King sucks big time, 90% of his writings are blablabla and sex is only a kiss and during the night for one sentence and then they wake up the next day. Plus the fucker ruined Richard Laymon's career for a decade just because Laymon had the balls to write about a beast that rapes ya while he eats ya.
Art does need an apology, specially when "intellectuals" consider shit like this http://guillermohabacucvargas.blogspot.com/ an expression of art.
but this did distill all that is hawt and sexy.
Of course, those who cherish abstract art are putting that prick on a pedestal.
I don't draw porn, but only cause my peens come out weird.
But reading this thread is sounds really hard!
In my pants.
Its not an issue with porn at all, its my inability to draw anatomy any greater than a 5th grader. This is why I can't draw characters physically interacting other than a general hug... I suck XD
But yes, I hate people that bitch about not drawing porn, you hit every nail on the head.
Go to deviant art, most the artists there complain about FA ;D
I think people just want a reason to bitch and pity themself~ :]
I have a slight problem with this because of the "No matter how much anyone denies it, almost all of the furry fandom are sexually attracted to furries in some manner." I know lots of people with fursonas or who are 'part of the fandom' who are not sexually attracted to furries and/or simply dislike drawing humans. I, myself, am not sexually attracted to furries. I can enjoy furry porn, but I'm not attracted to the furries... It's more that I'm aroused by the sex acts rather than the furries themselves.
Anyway, kinda ranted a bit there, sorry. :0 Just kinda annoying when people generalize like that. I do, however, agree with your points about when people who don't draw porn act like that. :3
I know it can be frustrating for people to get their non-porn art less noticed, but whinning cause of that all the time is just lame.
I draw both kinds of art (lately my art has been lacking cock, cause I went nuts and decided to put some plot) and people still digs it, so I can't complain. True, some will only scan the art and close it when cock is missing, but who cares, they know I'll eventually draw buttsecks again.
anyhow, you are so right, I hope this journal burns some people's eyes X3
Shhh, I'm going to reveal a long known but very secret bit of knowledge. Sex is part of human life. It's even suspected by some researchers that every single person on the planet is the result of a sexual act. Shocking and disgusting I know, but there it is.
Sex is part of every one's life whether they want to accept it or not. Depictions of sexual acts are therefore depictions of what it really is to be a human being (apologies to the furry mythos).
Another aspect of the porno-sexual thing is that we have very little control over our physical responses to it when we are exposed to it. Humans are programmed to an automatic response (males = BOING!). To youngish furs growing up and trying to prove to the world (and themselves) that they are totally in control of their lives (like a real grown-up), having a drawing or picture cause their bodies to respond without their consent is a very troubling contradiction to that belief.
Porn is emotional dynamite and some artists, no matter what the level of their mechanical skills may be, can not comfortably deal with it.
Two days till ADMonthly? SUHWEET.
also I'm somewhat clean but I don't frown at porn and such, that would be kind of dumb
I want to be able to +fave journals!
fur just makes it better
therefore i can draw furry porn where all the participants are fully-clothed
omg paradox
i'm waiting for the time when fur also becomes my fetish, then when i have sex i'll be able to say
'oh, sorry, i'm not really interested in your cock. can you just put on this fursuit while i force-feed you?'
it's gonna be great
Sex is sex, and exists in every corner of society.
But you're right, jealous, self-righteous people who keep harping on the clean vs porn thing need to settle the fuck down. ;o) It's ALL art, and artists are free to draw what they enjoy.
There are men out there that enjoy a car's exhaust pipe over anything.
Maybe it is. D8
seeing art is just uh, kinda like hearing about bands and music like on myspace.
MYSPACE
i'm just talking about those that are pretentious about it.
I can't stand people who denounce any form of nudity or sexual activity in a picture.
Well .. it's a bit insulting that some of my normal drawings are absolutely ignored while those I throw together in five minute BUT have porn content in it are treated as OMGYIFFMURR.
But I'm slowly not caring anymore.
Porn ain't easy !
I wanna punch people when they say that ..
Nudity means we must put more care into anatomy and somtimes the body positions are hell to draw.
It's much more easier to draw Katie eating a burger than Micheal getting buggered :P
Hell, took me forever to start drawing porn. Mainly because it's more difficult, and I sucked at it pretty bad at first, though there was a hint of embarrassment there, too. Pretty shy jackal.
Oh wait ...
*insert foot to mouth*
there needs to me more!
on your face.
You wish I didn't draw porn!
My only argument would be over your comment on "drawing porn is the easy way." From your response to that, no, drawing porn is not <i>technically</i> the easy way ... at least, drawing good porn isn't ... when you have to take everything into consideration.
But most people are saying that porn is the easy way to get noticed, to get watches, to get favs, to get comments. Considering your other comments about how sexually oriented furry fandom is, it's difficult to deny that. I've seen a lot of mediocre artists who draw a wang and some fluids on something get a lot more attention than some really good artists who get no love at all.
I don't mind the porn, it's just depressing when you find a really good artist being ignored because they're not drawing smut, or even when an artist who usually draws porn posts a really good clean picture, and it gets ignored (or worse, people complain because the artist didn't draw porn this one time). Every time that happens, God kills a kitten somewhere!
<shuts mouth and gives a thumbs up>
Kev
)÷3
God i love porn/nude drawings here, they have so much expression, emotion it is almost an art form inside of an art piece! and they say it ain't art?! Bloody morons i'll say, if they can't see that then they should stop being an artist, wait... or pretending to be one :P
Emphasis on the "fucking men".
I MEAN LOOK AT MY RESUME FOR GOD'S SAKE.
YOU WISH I DREW PORN ;>
-braces for the unwatch-
also, fucking furries
To me it is all about the artist and love of his own works. Always wanting to improve his own style and popularity with the fans.
To me if no one likes or hits (views) you artwork, you have to improve to get that edge or gimmick to gets to fans attention.
People just have to be opened minded that all art is just to be viewed and enjoy for what it is.
A moment of what the artist is thinking about.
LOVE THIS
you do bring up some good points though
but yeh, i got into it for the same reason!! heheh, i was on the internet, saw some furry pic, was all, "werewolf with boner! I LIKE DAT"
While some non-porn artists are complaining they would have more attention if they drew porn, I think that they might be looking for attention in the wrong place. Since non-porn artists have a much easier time working in the mainstream, I think they should really give it a shot. They can boost their skills and work for Marvel, DC, Sega, or some other company. If they want to create a series of some sort, they can make the idea, make sure it's protected by copyright, and then try to find producers. It's still a whole bunch of work, but this is a good way to go if you're just a regular artist.
While it is harder for porn artists to become successful, I'm really not sore about it. People can tell because I don't make journals about it or complain in posts, or make images about it. Jealousy isn't really a good live life. It's just a lot of stress. To succeed I'll just put in the necessary effort, change my strategy as necessary, and that'll be that.
So non-porn artists, here is a link that can help you out: http://www.digitalwebbing.com/
Where the drama at?
No.
Hell No.
Fuck You In The Ass With A Broken Bottle No.
It's a FANDOM, and while it can be applied as a fetish (like everything from chow mein to the front grill of a '57 Edsel), it was never founded with that in mind. After over two decades in it, I can say this with ultimate authority.
While I agree that those who do not draw porn can sometimes get up-in-the-air about it, don't ever open your arguments with that lie again.
WELCOME TO BLOCKED
you'll probably think i blocked you because you disagree with my statements, but it's actually because you're a irate ass hole toward me for no real reason that i find apparent.
You kinda sound like a religious zealot with that one. Kinda like the 'Go to church or you'll go to hell.' things.
Congratulations, you've been in the 'fandom' for a long time, that doesn't give you any more influence or power over it than it does someone who's been in for 5 years, especially depending on various peoples experiences and aid in the fandom, which can be quite a lot in a short time frame or little to none in one as long as you've been in.
Off thy high horse, stop acting better than thou or you're still arrogant and stupid.
Arguably, it started out MORE fetishized than it is now. These days, you have a much younger crowd in the fandom who are on average less repressed, more well adjusted and more into the DIY creative aspect, and less into the please-draw-me-creepy-pictures-of-Fifi-LeFume-aspect. When I first started going to furry cons, they were creepy as fuck. They're a lot nicer these days.
Denial is my favorite smell. HAHAHAHA.
Disassociate the concepts, and you'll get less ire.
"Wait, I'll stick an edit at the end of a long diatribe asserting the error claiming it's semantics! And Iraq DOES have weapons of mass destruction!"
Or (and now I'm afraid I say this with little regret), perhaps you weren't looking for a debate, or discussion. You saw something that would easily start a dramafest, and wanted to capitalize on it, which is not only childish, but a waste of everyone's time (your's included). If so, I must ask nicely that you quit being such a fucking troll. If not, again, sorry for assuming so much.
(I have an evidence fetish)
Also, Disney is an entertainment corporation, not a bunch of furries. They were one of the pioneers in using anthropomorphized animals in cartoons, but the furry fandom is the entity (so to speak) that pioneered the notion of sexualizing those characters and even establishing some sort of fundamental self-identification with them.
I'm just unsure as to whether I should chalk it up to a mental deficiency you have, or if I should actually consider it a personal fault of yours.
PROTIP: Shut up
Please shut up. You've been around this shit longer than most of us have been alive. You should know better.
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Oh my god that was beautiful. Quick quick, tell me that the sky is made of magical fairy dust and dragons exist. I need to hear more lies from you because they're just so funny.
These are the same people who killed witches for practicing a religion that didn't fall in line with theirs. Go figure.
Their logic towards things was skewed, and while they may have had good intentions, their end result was just as flawed as the system they fled. Their aberrant fear of sex/procreation stems from that, remaining to this day. And that has contributed largely to the mentality that we at times see.
Hypocrisy aside, you have to wonder about any country that raises you from birth to feel shame about what you were born with as opposed to actually taking the time to educated you on it, its functions and their ability to create very, very expensive bills (STDs, babies, trucks full of Kleenex).
And that's why Christopher Columbus is an asshole. The end.
but yeh, this is true. i don't have anything else to add i guess. FUCKIN MAYFLOWER, GOD, SO GAY
Are you sure you're not thinking of Mormons or something?
Hmm, I'm sure it's generally true that an artist who uploads pornographic artwork sees more favorites and watches, but stating the obvious like that usually has some deeper meaning than the obvious. I can't help but to think that saying "I'd get more watches and favorites if I drew porn" is a roundabout or indirect way of saying "I'm jealous that you get more watches and favorites because you draw porn." OR maybe I'm babbling absurdities.
Gah, the "everyone just wants to see porn" line... Not everyone who likes the porn favorites nothing but porn. Also, if you're an artist who doesn't draw porn, and you have individuals who watch you and have favorited your artwork, it seems to me that saying that is a slap to the face of those watching you, as well as proving that "everyone just wants to see porn" is wrong.
Drawing (good) porn is easy? Yeah, fuck that with razorblades and vinegar. Even I know better than that.
Haha, drawing porno degrades you? Wow, someone's flying high on the subjectivity plane!
Furry is a fetish. OH NO SEMANTICS SQUABBLE TIME! :P
You wish I drew porn, because I know you could use more comedy in your life. :P
OK I'm done.
also \"SEMANTICS SQUABBLE TIME\" hahahah double win
Yes.
Hell Yes.
Fuck You In The Ass With A Broken Bottle YES.
It's a FETISH, and while it can be applied as a fandom (like everything from chow mein to the front grill of a '57 Edsel), it was never founded with that in mind. After over two decades in it, I can say this with ultimate authority. (because "furry" has only been around for 2 decades and i know its exact history because i was THERE man i really was)
While I agree that those who do not draw porn can sometimes get up-in-the-air about it, I wish you would always open your arguments with that true statement. (even tho you opened your discussion with a different statement than the one in question lol)
HAHAHHASFHPGO:EOGgw48jg fuckin lold
Just when did you join the fandom?
and i typoed, i actually meant thirty point five decades.
Go do something useful that doesn't involve trying to insult people on the internet for no reason.
doodles why are you so pathetic
oh yeah it's because you're a man in his forties who thinks that "tiny toons" is the pinnacle of human cultural development
-html
much
(Drawing porn isn't easy! Bodies in all these awkward positions, no clothes to hide anatomy botches, all kinds of fluids and crazy facial expressions, etc.) i agree with this statement so completely! drawing porn is super HARD!
you be golden in your words!
YES
I need to practice a lot with anatomy and proportions :x
And srsly...FA need a +fav button...
Oh! I know!
I'm gonna copy & past this on Word and save it! <3
Well...only if you let me :x
porn really is a good way to learn anatomy and character interaction. and one can always draw it but not post it, as well!
I have RPs with
He's learning to draw as well...
The fandom favors cheap no talent fanporn over something that has talent put into it, even if the other drawing is STILL porn
this comment should be published as it's own book, where that is all it says, and is mandatory reading for high school students.
That said, furry porn is almost always really fucking obnoxious and retarded, but then again I find distaste with what most furries say and do :o)
There are cool ones like you though 8]
(ps this is aotommo sup dude are you going to ac08)
if i can find someone with a room or somethin
we will have to chill and philosophize once more
only this time with less vomiting
it's more challenging :((((
I do like watching artists that draw porn though. >.> Keep up the good work~!
I hate it when people do that. D:
I bet there some people in fA that see non-porno pics of furries and say something like "this isnt porn! gtfo!" If there is some people like that here then they can gtfo thereselves D:
the person thinks the artists thinks lives and breathes porno. Its not really true! Because the artists likes other things too besides the porn and all that.
The artists has a life too, and the person who misunderstands the artist will be surprised to see the artist like other things and ask the most retarded question \"OMG you like this!?\" o_____o I would just feel sorry for that person who would say such a thing.
So yeah. All humans are weirdos and who like different things. but yeah, theres a biiiiiig fetish in it I guess.
i mean
i agree :3
transcribe this into art form so i can +fav it
damn kangaroo.
I don't draw porn. I mean I have, but can't post it because I'm under age, and paranoid about my parents finding it. (Haha but soon I'll be outa the house and 18 in about a month.) I also certainly don't say that stuff above XD maybe in a jokingly way, like "you wish I drew porn" cause hey sorry cant post it yet underagee!! X3 Just teasing them in a nice way ^^ But I already know most of my art wont be porn haha. It's not something I loveee to do but I will certainly do it if commissioned and stuff.
As you say, drawing naked bodies requires skills and a good knowledge of anatomy.
I remember Chris bringing him up in discussion once, when he wanted to talk about merit of art vs. moral degredation of artist at hand.
Still, as you said -- he is unsurpassed.
it's actually harder to draw someone clothed because you have to find clothing colors that match with the fur color and get clothing textures and think of clothes thast both LOOK GOOD and match the characters personality, (Any time you work on a charicters with clothes it's allmost like being a fashion designer) so naked furs are easier for me to draw,
I'm not trying to disagree with you mind you but for me it's much easier to draw porn than not
Therefore, technically, your use of the word 'fetish' is indeed, completely correct, if you're talking about fursuits, cartoons and the illustrations here (sexual or otherwise) when used as a way to 'commune' with the fandom.
The use of the term 'fetish' to mean 'sexual ritual' is in fact, wrong, unless you're referring to some object like a dildo or bondage gear. Those are 'fetishes'. The act of using them is not.
That being said, I agree with you 100%.
I draw porn because I like it. I happen to try and draw porn that's more than just spoogefests because - well, I like that kind of porn, and I'm mostly drawing what I like. :)
most everyone enjoys porn and there is nothing wrong with it
i don't draw or talk much about it because i still see it as a private thing i like to keep for myself. but still, people don't have the right to bitch cuz someone draws porn. how you or me deal with our sexualities and exposure is personal and we shouldn't be disturbed about it
some pseudo-moralists are forced into being some because of family, friends and surrounding, not everyone is able to cope with theyr own desires and get stuck in this zone where they have to be pretending, it's not an easy task and not all of them should be seen as hypocrites. Sometimes telling your parents you are gay furry or whatever can seriously damage a relationship because the others beliefs and raising. we have to take this facts in consideration when people are overprotective of their puritanism, we should not attack them just like they shouldn't attack us. we have the right to be ourselves in most countries of the world
While I don't necessarily agree with everything, I totally respect your opinions. I think people on BOTH sides of the "Yay Porn / Boo Porn" issue get a little uptight and anal as far as what their possition is and just end up acting like jerks to people who don't share their opinion.
I will chime in though that the idea that "Porn is easy", at least how I see people saying it, isn't that it's easier to draw, but that it's easier to get attention with it. A porn pic usually (with exceptions) draws more attention, views, and comments than a gen. audience pic of equal skill level. Its the pure fact that Sex Sells, and it's difficult to deny.
Lastly, I'd like to appologize if I have ever came off as any of the above gripes. I've been vocal at times about how I don't do porn and why, but only because I get asked a lot. I also try to be as fair as I can with my opinions, expecially since I have so MANY friends that draw it. So again, hope I never came off as an anti-porn elitist prude or something ;)
i will also agree that it is easier to gain attention through porn, but i don't really hold it against anybody being that humans are basically hard wired to like sexual things. :3
and i never seen you come off as snotty or anything like that!! i can easily understand getting frustrated, as someone who doesn't draw porn, with frequent requests for it after it's been made clear that you don't do it. i think that's something else all together than being haughty or condescending to those that do draw porn.
Bottom line: This is fine when the individual who adheres to that has a fairly valid reason for that. (e.g. "I personally don't like it." "I haven't mastered drawing porn.") It's not fine when it's used to justify some form of superiority or elitism.
"Furry is not / is a fetish."
This is my own limited view of it, but furry (not the fandom, mind you, but the concept) seems increasingly sexualized and fetishized. Regardless of its origins, that's what it's increasingly becoming / has become. It's apparent that some (well, at least one) wish for the concept of furry to remain "pristine" and seperate from the sexualized aspect, but the amount of overlap.
Then again, some believe that "furry" relates to anthropomorphic animals / zoomorphic humans, even those not created within the furry fandom. (I disagree; furry is only within the fandom, but we do appropriate media from without the fandom as well as create our own media from within the fandom. In my eyes, to say that anything anthropomorphic/zoomorphic, i.e. "looks furry," is furry is to say that anything that looks like a Ming Dynasty vase is a Ming dynasty vase. Furry is a subcultural concept, not a universal that somehow exists outside of the fandom that conceived it.)
hahaa
how about
i find it quite vexing when people who dont draw porn ask if they should or shouldnt do it
DRAW WHAT YOU WANT unless if its a commission geez
you make me laugh so hard!!
btw I agree, I do not draw porn, but I find it really difficult... bue i SO love to watch xD
I especially hate it when artists draw erotica (men in boxers in seductive poses, muscle flexings and so forth) but get sooo offended when someone asks for nudity. Because its such a fine line, yaknow. Its not porn unless they're naked.
Who are you fooling? Gargh.
I think I love you.....
say 'raw' hahaha
Agreed.
also. DRAW THAT XD
I guess I'm fine with someone who has negative views on porn because said values can really be ingrained by their social subset be it family or religion, what have you. I don't particularly enjoy feeling debased when I read a comment that I know constitutes the lions share of my crap :p But I don't really know what the motivation behind it was. If it is in-fact dogmatic morality, or a personal vendetta or grudge against one person in specific that is phrased in an anonymous and all-artist encompassing way.
Um, I was trying to say something, but my train of thought derailed. Um.
Well, anyway, uhhhh, I think I wanted to say that I'm sure people make these comments for a wide range of reasons, and I don't think all of them are outright invalid. But my grapes are really crushed by the porn gets more views/faves/attention comments when it's clearly a transparent way of saying "I'm really in this for the fame." or "The worth of an artist is determined by the number of people watching them."
Lastly, fetish/fandom etc etc. I don't like how furry is often attributed as being a culture made up of perverts. The most popular internet searches made by people who don't jerk off to the jungle book are still pornographic in nature. In a sub-culture like this, that the majority of popular work is pornographic isn't absurd; it's the norm. After all, in it's prime Playboy had a much larger reading audience then the new yorker ever managed.
I made that last fact up, but I bet it's true. Pretend I was more eloquent too.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I really like Daft Punk.
second. Wow. Just wow. So many of you are going SO overboard overboard on this...