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13 years ago
Those who know me the least are those who are free to think the worst about me. Those who know me the best tend to laugh at those who think the worst. This kind of thing has persisted through my recent life and it makes the misrepresentations, slander, and blind lies leveled at me over the internet, much more tolerable. A series of recent exchanges on Twitter have some thoughtless goons (I can't think of a better name for them - just meat-headed goons without thought) leveling the charge that I'm a "rape enabler" and inferring that I shame "victims". This is so odious that I felt the need to make a definitive clarification.
Sex is an expression of esteem as long as choice is involved. We can talk about the level of that esteem based on someone's sexual choices (something I wished I'd learned earlier in life) but that's beside the point of this discussion. The point is, your sex life reflects your choice in who and how many people are involved, as well as your ability to create the sex life you desire (why we desire it is, again, another discussion for another time). Sex is the sharing of mutual esteem, a combination of an affirmation of your esteem by your partner, and in turn giving them the same feeling by your choosing them. Rape strips the victim of this default right. It's an attack on the self esteem of a person, the ultimate form of de-personalization inflicted on someone who has no choice in who takes pleasure from their body for that moment. Worse than an act of theft, it cuts straight to the heart of what theft implies: You don't own your body, its efforts, and its decisions. By an act of force I've not only seized the time of your life that it takes to rape you, but I've seized ownership not just of your property, but of the body by which you exist. I've just described sex and rape on a philosophical level, something I doubt most of my accusers could muster the mental effort to even attempt.
To the relavent events:
A female artist friend of mine posted a link to a journal to raise awareness of what could be viewed as sexual harassment at a convention. The journal had no details, but the words "being creepy" did appear, over and over, in place of precise information. Not having information about the topic, I replied with a self-deprecating joke to my friend, indicating the words used by the journal. I said: "Being creepy is sexual harassment, now? I'm in big trouble... :3" It is a running joke to my girlfriend and some other friends of ours about how good I am at putting on a creepy act to get a reaction from them. She even calls me "creeper in the dark" if I'm playing video games or writing on the computer without any room lights on in the evening. Taken as it was intended by friends who know me, it could have died there. Then someone decided to roll a hand grenade into the room with me and my friend.
Another artist gentleman decided to use my joke between a friend to launch into a comment which implied we should be immediately skeptical toward any situation where someone claims to feel threatened or victimized, because people love being victims, and people love rallying around victims. Despite my telling him that this was not the best policy to pursue in matters where we don't have any details, the responses from the meat-headed goons, predictably, began to pop up. My name was attached to a twitter thread and dragged into a flurry of accusations of being a "rape enabler" and "shaming victims". My measured responses to the offending artist gentleman were ignored by the accusers, because, and this is important to know about the internet:
1.) They don't think much beyond their next piss, so they just accept what they read from someone else, screenshots showing incomplete exchanges etc.. or
2.) They want to believe the worst because it makes them feel righteously indignant, or they derive a general sense of pleasure when they get to thrash someone verbally for being whatever they accuse them of being. Therefor, no amount of explanation or further looking into the matter can disuade their convictions, because their convictions are predestined by choice.
If you have any questions or concerns about the sort of person I actually am, feel free to ask my girlfriend or any one of my close friends who know me best. If you're unwilling to do that, kindly stow your accusations, presumptions, baseless notions, and obscenely biased inferences.
Good day.
P.S. This is not an invitation to share "this one time..." stories, or any references to them. If you perpetuate slander against me, or foster accusations against other named people, and invite argument trees to grow here, I will axe the comments and ban you from leaving further comments. I don't have a tolerance for this childish bullshit.
Sex is an expression of esteem as long as choice is involved. We can talk about the level of that esteem based on someone's sexual choices (something I wished I'd learned earlier in life) but that's beside the point of this discussion. The point is, your sex life reflects your choice in who and how many people are involved, as well as your ability to create the sex life you desire (why we desire it is, again, another discussion for another time). Sex is the sharing of mutual esteem, a combination of an affirmation of your esteem by your partner, and in turn giving them the same feeling by your choosing them. Rape strips the victim of this default right. It's an attack on the self esteem of a person, the ultimate form of de-personalization inflicted on someone who has no choice in who takes pleasure from their body for that moment. Worse than an act of theft, it cuts straight to the heart of what theft implies: You don't own your body, its efforts, and its decisions. By an act of force I've not only seized the time of your life that it takes to rape you, but I've seized ownership not just of your property, but of the body by which you exist. I've just described sex and rape on a philosophical level, something I doubt most of my accusers could muster the mental effort to even attempt.
To the relavent events:
A female artist friend of mine posted a link to a journal to raise awareness of what could be viewed as sexual harassment at a convention. The journal had no details, but the words "being creepy" did appear, over and over, in place of precise information. Not having information about the topic, I replied with a self-deprecating joke to my friend, indicating the words used by the journal. I said: "Being creepy is sexual harassment, now? I'm in big trouble... :3" It is a running joke to my girlfriend and some other friends of ours about how good I am at putting on a creepy act to get a reaction from them. She even calls me "creeper in the dark" if I'm playing video games or writing on the computer without any room lights on in the evening. Taken as it was intended by friends who know me, it could have died there. Then someone decided to roll a hand grenade into the room with me and my friend.
Another artist gentleman decided to use my joke between a friend to launch into a comment which implied we should be immediately skeptical toward any situation where someone claims to feel threatened or victimized, because people love being victims, and people love rallying around victims. Despite my telling him that this was not the best policy to pursue in matters where we don't have any details, the responses from the meat-headed goons, predictably, began to pop up. My name was attached to a twitter thread and dragged into a flurry of accusations of being a "rape enabler" and "shaming victims". My measured responses to the offending artist gentleman were ignored by the accusers, because, and this is important to know about the internet:
1.) They don't think much beyond their next piss, so they just accept what they read from someone else, screenshots showing incomplete exchanges etc.. or
2.) They want to believe the worst because it makes them feel righteously indignant, or they derive a general sense of pleasure when they get to thrash someone verbally for being whatever they accuse them of being. Therefor, no amount of explanation or further looking into the matter can disuade their convictions, because their convictions are predestined by choice.
If you have any questions or concerns about the sort of person I actually am, feel free to ask my girlfriend or any one of my close friends who know me best. If you're unwilling to do that, kindly stow your accusations, presumptions, baseless notions, and obscenely biased inferences.
Good day.
P.S. This is not an invitation to share "this one time..." stories, or any references to them. If you perpetuate slander against me, or foster accusations against other named people, and invite argument trees to grow here, I will axe the comments and ban you from leaving further comments. I don't have a tolerance for this childish bullshit.
What he said
Not all victims are in it for something, I deal with an aweful lot of them, its surprising(and heartbreaking) actually how many people when victimized "Really don't want to be a bother".
Either way wanted to drop an apology on any part my comment had in starting what sounds like a lot of BS.
Best of luck and it should blow over soon, its the internet. people will forget about it tomorrow
As it is sarcasm and the like are hard to rear via text... but it's normally a good plan to follow if the post is vague and not specific, it's probably either sarcasm, joke, or trolling, but if it's oddly direct and specific... creeper/serious guy
http://i.imgur.com/e5KeC.jpg (sfw)
Sincerly,
Me
Good day sir!
keep up the great work as well as your chin held high
Feel free to ban me now, but I had to be silly *flops down and rolls from the journal*
The best course of action, even after they rustled something up that you felt compelled to dispel, would have been to leave it be and hide comments. You shouldn't have to explain yourself since you did no wrong.
In other words, they're not worth the justification. :P
There is a reason why they say not to believe anything you read on the internet...
Not to mention the fact that I now have a deeper understanding of rape do to your very accurate explanation.
Honestly I'm surprised you get upset at that fact from a bunch of small critics who are either over judgmental of your work or even accuse you of an rape enabler like it was true. I don't know if you're worried about your fan-base when it comes to that, still it's not really worth the fuss over. I mean no one is perfect, that you're gonna have a little slander on your name/reputation.
In short, just blow it off, unless what they say is true. Which I personally doubt it is.
There is always some king of ijit out there isn't there... Sorry to hear this one dropped in your lap man.
Still, sounds like you did what you could to defuse it, so if they keep it up, you should have recourse if necessary.
In the end, all you can do is shake your head and feel sorry for these idiots.... no, wait... that's too much effort... They're not even worth THAT much of your time.
No but really, I'm judged all the times, and this just goes to show how low brow society today REALLY is.
They will believe anything that's told to them so long as they themselves trust that person or source.
Also, (forgive me for being a conspiracy Nazi for a second), this also directly correlates to how much people apparently like to be controlled. They are so used to being told what to do and what's "going on" in the world that they'll believe almost any source they can find as long as it's worded correctly.
Just like every other guy who believes in conspiracies will tell you, everyone but the people with knowledge is in the dark. So the guy who knows the truth, whether he "accidentally" twists it or not, basically controls the situation. What he says is "truth".
P.S. You fucking rock!!XD
Just so the grammar Nazis don't get me..
I know you to be an intelligent and caring person, and you would not say something without putting thought into it.
So yes, trolls saw a spot to bite and now, they will hang on like psychotic pit bulls with lock jaw.
Sorry to see your name dragged through the gutter.
Of course that is probably what drives these people crazy, you never seem to lose your temper with them and remain rational and well reasoned. One of the things I admire about you is your ability to keep a level head, which is one of those things we should all strive to maintain.
LOLz Minecraft, anyone else think of this when they saw the word "creeper"?
Anyhow on to seriousness, I just cannot believe that that people could be such... "thoughtless goons" (there really is no better way to describe them... well at least without some colourful language). I've had to deal with a few thoughtless goons before in real life, and I'm very sorry that you have become a target for them. I seriously wish they would just find something else to do other than verbally thrash and abuse people. Often times I feel like these people are just waiting for an excuse to start abusing people over the internet, either out of some feeling of hatred about something in themselves or simply because they're disgusting and derive pleasure from such abuse. I've followed your art for a long time, much longer than I have had an account on FA. Just from reading some of your journals and watching your art and photos (Thinking of your profile ID photo in particular :P), I could deduce that you would probably be a pretty fun guy to know.
Major props to you for writing such a "mature and respectful" journal in response to this assault on your character. It only shows that you have true strength of character and are anything but what they could describe you to be. I know that I have run out of patience for said people and wouldn't be able to handle it in such a respectful manner. In either case keep up the great work, thanks for sharing such amazing art, and hopefully you will not have to deal with more thoughtless goons in the future! I know even though what was said to/about me was fabricated and vastly inaccurate, it still hurt. So try not to think about them too much, you've got a huge group of friends and supporters that can attest to your good nature and awesome personality.
Best regards,
KerberosVDT aka Praxis Hyperion
Not having this discussion further. Take care.
If people 'need sex in the same way they need social interaction' I'm also in awful trouble. I suspect that's not quite true. It just makes you angsty and bitter if you're not careful, but there certainly is not a 'need for sex' even if you are quite libidinous. I'd call that a 'want' with some consequences to its going unmet. I'd call food, water and air 'needs'.
And honestly, I can tell just by the way you present yourself that you're a good guy.
*BROHUG*
Gosh, people don't read quantifiers, anymore. ;)
Sounds like the same people who flip their shit and say you're a chauvanistic/misogynist anti woman whatever because you used the word" Friend Zone" or you're surrounded by over the top zilly feminisits that twist anything you say as rape cultured etc.
Regardless of who said it, "Friend Zoning" is a bullshit term for a situation that doesn't actually exist. Nobody "owes" you a relationship or sex just because you're around, and the term "friend zone" actually downplays a person's rights to give his-or-her body to whomever he-or-she chooses.
Being let down hurts, and I understand the pain of rejection just as much as anyone else, but calling it a "friend zone" places fault on the other person for not choosing you as anything more than a friend. It makes it sound like friendship isn't good enough, when some people would simply love to just have a friend. It's greedy, immature thinking.
Feminists get upset about that term because its playing into the idea that our bodies are not ours to control and give to others as we choose, and that idea has been forced onto females since the day we were born.
And to clarify, I don't care or judge that Fisk said it because the term gets thrown around out of ignorance all the time, not necessarily with ill-intent. I was saying it myself until only a month or so ago, when I myself realized how little sense the term makes. It's simply a term that needs to die, and not everyone understands why. Some people don't grasp the concept because they don't see why it isn't okay from the other person's perspective.
And while feminism is good, some folks take it too far and don't try to educate-- they just rush out and blame because they've run out of patience about it long ago. That method doesn't help anyone. So hopefully you can tell that I'm just trying to explain and not point fingers or something, I'm painfully blunt and it comes off more aggressive than I mean it to.
/tl;dr
I completely disagree on the way people take offense to the term. "Friend Zone" doesn't place fault on anyone, its an expression that's common. Yeah you're chosen as a friend. so what? Nowhere is it saying women have no right or anything. its an expression not rape, and neither oppression.
Friendship isn't good enough for that person? So what. I'm not that person. and Anyone who uses the word, whether in passing or whatever doesn't make them a shamer/blamer or anything.
The whole which hunt for possibly rape culture "men" is crazy and people should drop the pitch forks and looking for reasons to be offended.
while good on you for trying to explain, but "activists" injecting their two cents out of nowhere in private conversations or on the street aren't doing anything but harassing making themselves and "feminism" look bad like a bunch of extremist fringe groups.
I dont believe someone that says "Oh i god friendzoned" means "yeah, that bitch friend zones me - she owes me sex for being there for her and such". Thats retarded.
Friendzone = I got rejected as a boyfriend but she wants to be friends. if they take that as a bad thing, that's the person's sentiment, not the phrase. perhaps, the phrase has been used in
the manner of a complainer being angsty for sex commonly? if so, the words themselves arn't harmful, but the angle/manner/context its used.
again, "Man i got friendzoned, oh well" does not articulate "she owes me sex-i have a right to that body". If that's the way it's interpreted as, then its absolutely
retarded and people need to find something else to do with their time. I have never heard that interpretation until claimed by blue in the face screaming feminists
furries on tirade on the internet. That's my opinion you have yours too. If you want to argue. Stop and agree that we disagree and
have a drink sit back and relax and enjoy the sun before someone dies of hypertension.
I had to google around for something that would explain the concept better than I can, from both perspectives, it's a bit TL;DR and ignore the comment shitstorm of course, but if you're bored, this sums it up quite well:
http://fozmeadows.wordpress.com/201.....xist-bullshit/
As for harassing from feminists, I do agree that there are better ways to explain and defend ourselves; I feel its more of a "one person at a time" sort of thing. I could be wrong, and my opinion may change in the future, but for now that's what I feel. Guys aren't born sexist or anything, it's taught by society, so yeah, I don't fault guys and I certainly don't "hate all men" like some women do. I get tired and frustrated, but hate is a strong word.
Unfortunately women face harassment for damn near everything regarding relationships and sex. As that link says,
"Slut is how we vilify a woman for exercising her right to say yes.
Friendzone is how we vilify a woman for exercising her right to say no."
And likewise I'm sure I get shit for being a female who draws porn and openly talking about sexual things! I'm such a whore, acting on natural urges. For shaaaaame, I'm such a horny slut, etc etc etc. Meanwhile guys are "just being guys".
And then there's the question, "What's the male word for "slut"?"
TL;DR, feminists have the right idea, though imo a lot of poor execution on educating guys about the issue by blaming and spewing hate. Women get treated like trash and "friend zoning" is another term that plays into that (again, imo).
It's cool also if you don't agree. I can't really drag this out any further, honestly. This is just my food for thought, take it or leave it.
That being said, I -can- see how certain mopey and passive aggressive people would use the term almost as a weapon to indicate they've been "wronged" somehow. A pathetic plea, almost. The use should be taken into context and the individual person who implies that they're "owed" sex, should be taken to task for their attitude, not a term which doesn't necessarily denote something horrible in every conversational use.
To clarify, I'm not saying every guy who uses the term is automatically a douchebag or trying to be mean or anything, but the term is so frequently thrown around to use against women by "nice guys" that it gets frustrating for us after a while. It's hard to explain this to guys because they don't hear it used against them their whole lives; it's hard to get them to understand entirely how it feels from our perspective. Not your fault, that's just how it tends to be.
I hope this makes sense and doesn't sound like I'm pointing fingers or anything. :x
Sorry for the late response too, my attention span is nonexistent. XD
I've noticed what drives people away from so-called "nice guys' (and girls) is that they often invest their self esteem and happiness entirely into how much other people accept them. That's too much of a burden on another person. It makes their decisions responsible for your core happiness, and it's unfair. It repels people who are discriminating and who are looking for others who may be equally discriminating and independent. Few people understand what it is to form a full and independent identity, a person who can be happy alone, first, before then opening yourself to share life with someone equal to you. Not emotionally parasitic "you complete me" types searching for relationships like drowning men search for life boats.
http://www.heartless-bitches.com/ra.....niceguys.shtml
What was scary for me was reading this and realizing that I had been in relationship after relationship of this-- much too late. I knew I was really uncomfortable with the guy(s) wanting to walk his whole life in my shadow, but at the time I didn't understand why. Reading this was a real eye-opener for me. And now I'm ruined and stubborn, hahaha.
Putting your partner before you in everything is terrifying, it's putting the pressures and responsibilities of your life onto them.
And likewise, confidence and motivation and goals are attractive. And not to say that women always choose the perfect guy or anything, but this is why we typically lean towards "jerks", as they tend to have their lives together much more.
I skimmed the article and didn't really find anything I disagree with. I've experienced, from the male side, being a "lifeboat" both emotionally and materially, and I shed myself of that person as quickly as I could. I can only love independent women, now, and I've also found that my close friends tend to be independent people, as well. Life is so much better.
AGREED on life being much better now. And good for you. n.n
People like the drama, and it´s better if the person is popular.
Just by following your tweets I know what kind of person you are, and though I don´t share some of your opinions, you´re nowhere near to beign a rape enabler.
Doesn't hurt to clarify opinions on things, those who honestly beleive you are a "rape enabler" etc aren't worth the wasted breath to correct.
Everyones entitled to their opinion, so long as they are educated on the matter. Anyone can spout bullshit for attention.
On the other hand, they shouldn't have jumped the gun like that with a comment that was obviously meant in jest. Nor should they have completely dragged it out. If they thought it was offensive, they should have said something to the person who made the journal and allow her to hide the comment or not. But creating a bunch of drama is definitely not an okay solution. Trying to do a good thing in the wrong way kind of destroys that good sort of deal.
I'm rambling. Sorry, I tend to do that. Point is, the comment probably wasn't the best move. But it wasn't wrong to post it, especially since you are friends with the person, and the responders shouldn't have used it to make their own point.
One what is a rape enabler? one that allows oneself to get raped, or one that rapes others? A bit confused about that but that's not the main point. the main point here is... It's art.
Why exactly do folks feel like they have to be 'art police' and turn everything in the world into their version of perfection. Which from what I've seen is often pretentious in itself, since they really just want folks to stop drawing/writing/doing anything.
Seriously, the internet is a free range, its' going to 'BE' a free range since there will always be an area that is not being monitored. so I pose that most of these folks are against actual free speech and expression
You've never done that but folks are trying to say you have? WTF...?
Too bad there was the need to.
I read the journal entry posted regarding what happened at anthrocon and agreed that it lacked some severe amounts of detail before any actions should have been taken. To ultimately get to the point you pretty much covered it. People bank on reacting, not thinking. Any response given needs at least a degree of thought before it's put down. Since, however, people think and react based solely on emotion without really trying to think of, not what they are saying, but what they are saying about others and what that implies- we are left in a situation where slander is easy. Where people will believe an argument backed up by nothing just as easily as they can hit the enter button to blindly agree or argue with just as much baseless and emotionally charged responses.
The degree in which it was taken to refer to you as a "Rape-enabler" was incredibly wrong on the guilty parties. And as a result you became victim to those who typed without thinking about what they were saying.
To abandon reason and follow blindingly is the easy thing to do, what's hard to do is... well research. I am sorry this happened dude, but just as I'm sure of the internet it'll blow over and someone will say or do something more stupid by at least 10 times and no one will care.
1. she had no business opening her stupid mouth.
2. that's one of the best responses i've ever heard. ^^
3. i feel compelled to have retorted with something like 'and if you wont stop being irritating i might have to spank you.' if i had been there. XD
Stay strong and ignore the ignorant people who just throw accusations your way!
Thankfully I was nowhere near the troubles....Been powering through an Essay on Ireland and tending to a Fever to go looking for trouble. :p
Hope things resolve themselves if they already haven't.
That has to be the best overall description and/or definition I've read yet. I just hope this helps the uninformed know how serious an attack this can be on anyone who's raped.
Next on the issue at hand, you sir have greater patience than I would have. That makes you a class act!
At the same time though, people having a private conversation out in the open can't really say too much when other people overhear it and react to it however incorrectly. At the least you could have locked everything as private after dinglebrain decided he knew more about what you guys were talking about than you did.
As for the goons, I've never held any channer types in any sort of esteem. Those who make themselves feel better by tearing others down are simply the bottom crabs in the bucket. And no matter how many they pull down with them, they are still crabs in a bucket. I ignore them and give their opinions all the weight they are due - none.
"Art is art, there is no right or wrong in it!"
I think the best thought I can sum up reading this is. "What. The. Hell?"
I know you've fans who love, and the fans who love to hate. I've seen your work and hell even subscribed a while back when I had steady pay and read your adult work. Myself, I think your a talented artist. I think that the joke like you said was taken wrong and it opened the door for everyone and their mother to jump in and attack because hey, people LOVE drama.
Its a bit like school. People love to pick on nerds. On the internet we're all nerds. With that in mind it seems people just lash out when they eel offended or feel they have a just cause. Do you support rape? I've read your work. I don't see it. In fact I clearly remember in one of your comics an attempted rapist was not only BEATEN WITH A BAT but shortly after that was discreetly "taken care of". If anything it shows how you DISLIKE rape and those that do it.
I'm sure this fact was missed by people as its easy to point fingers and go with the mob mentality. Go figure, Dragging your name in the dirt, starting what amounts to slander, Failing to even use their heads, take steps back and question what the hell is really going on...
The screwed up part?
Well I say for me whats screwy is these people are attacking you. I mean crap, there is some jerk off out there who CAUSED all this. The guy who did some shit so uncomfortable so offensive that someone had to comment even while being kind enough to omit the dirty details. But hey... Screw going after the guy who... You know. Actually physically did some sleazy crap. Fisk is well known! Get'em!
Man even though you don't know me, and I'm just a watcher... I gotta say I'm sorry. Not only are you getting the short end of the stick... But wow. Seriously just wow. These people don't care what damage they cause as long as they feel justified. And that... sickens me.
I hope this mess gets resolved and the sleaze ball who caused this is dealt with within the bounds of reason and law. All else failing, a good swift kick in the sack. As for you? Stay strong and try and not let a mindless mob ruin things for you.
Cheers.
Those guys are out of their minds. Stay cool Fisk
i love your art a lot , your one of these few artists i respect a lot and love all your work , shame i don't got money to commission you to get something nice tho yeah i wished i had x3
i agree with everything you spoke , sex is what these who involved chose and i always loved your comics for involving fetishes most artist dont dare (cheating , watersports) its great on art , not that your encouraging to people piss on them selfs or cheat their mates;p its just art/fantasy
so one of your greater fans wishes you best x3
But I think people like that who spread shit without getting facts or knowing the story first are just drama whores... probably the type of people who love shows like Jersey Shore. They love drama, and love being in it.
Ah well. I have things to do. Sex doesn't draw itself.
I had the fortunate chance of meeting both you and your girlfriend when you flew to Vancouver to pick up Bishop. You really don't deserve the slander that is thrown your direction. I hope this all ends smoothly.
I've noticed a lot of people in the fandom seem to judge you based on the characters you create in your comics and stories. It seems they have a hard time separating fiction from reality. They need to wake up and realize that just because someone might occasionally include unpleasant topics in a storyline doesn't mean that the storyteller is fond of engaging in those activities.
About "being creepy being sexual harassment"... Have you noticed how much that word is bandied about these days? It seems that the most innocuous things can get someone branded as creepy nowadays, and it's a bit disturbing.
But I'd be a even bigger liar if I did not admit to wanting to know you better (and not in any creepy manner, nota bene)
My advice? Don't let them get to you, because, seeing as that is their goal, that is how they win.
Regardless of that: HI! (If i'm not wrong this is the very first time i ever 'talk' to you, so) I usually enjoy reading your comics so i guess that makes me somewhat of a fan :p
Personally i dont think anyone has the right to acuse someone else for doing something unless they are actually the victim or witnesses. Mainly cuz 'if you haven't seen it then you can't even know if it truly happened'.
Pd: Sorry 'bout the lame english :p
I know that with this kind of people is impossible to make them think; lukily we are many more.
Don't ignore them but for now ban is a good answer.
Also: your art is really cute.
Do I agree with all of Mr. Naylor's opinions or stances that I know of? Of course not all, I'm a different person and I can agree to disagree. Honestly whether what's what is true or not is immaterial to my liking his works, so until I see a reason to not like his works I'm cool being a "distant but admiring fan" since sometimes jumping into a side of a fandom be it a franchise, person or art style can be...messy.
It seemed appropriate....
-Badger-
He has some other cool vids too.
-Badger-
Disgusting people and disgusting ways? You don't know them until you've had to clean a Taco Bell bathroom.
I jumped on you and (other guy redacted) because your response to the original artist, when framed against Artist B's immediately-subsequent rape comment, looks a lot worse than it actually is. I'm man enough to admit assuming about you based on the surrounding comments, so I'm sorry. Even so, context is everything, and seeing her response of "I just threw up a little" makes it seem like she didn't read it as a joke.
Still, it's between you and her and Other Artist B at this point. Love the art, not that big a fan of sexism, but if it's a poorly-read misunderstood joke, I'll accept that. :)
...and I lol'd at the P.S. :P
That and if the discussion was person to person instead of over the internet they probably wouldn't have said anything. The anonymity of the internet always brings out the psychos and recluses that instantly justify themselves as the reigning authority of everything.
On a side note I love Better Days and Original Life along with all your porn and by just knowing you from your art and stories I would never think of you as an enabler for anything as devious as rape.
Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing your future works
Some people can't take a joke, it seems. >x<
... you ever ate a horse? Horse's tasty.
If it weren't for bad reputation, I wouldn't got no reputation at all, honestly. I've found that reveling in it, however, makes them quick to stop stroking the flames. I'm not saying that you should throw yourself face forward in to these kinds of messes, but I find that, as Fal up there said - defending yourself is often the most inflammatory course of action.
The people you're trying to reach - the people who might be impressionable about your status have already been impressed upon, or they wouldn't be reading this. The people at the source aren't going to have a fuckedwidth. And further more, the people like me never that had an impression on the original altercation are simply left knowing a little more about how you don't feel on a subject. I suppose it's informative to know you don't encourage rape... but I'd've never assumed that about you in the first place. That's wild. That's like saying you're in to cuckold.
It seems it's very easy to think ill of anything nowadays. This stupid habit is amplified by modern communication means. It's just easier to think the worst of stuff about people rather than stop and reason on what happened... That's the main evil in the world nowadays: people are too lazy to think, they prefer to have someone else thinking for them and tell them what to think.
I don't know much of you. All I know is that I love your art, and that most of the times I disagree with your ideas and thoughts even if I usually keep myself from showing my disagreement. You sound respectful when you express them though, and that's all what it takes to me (and it should to everyone) in order to have my respect. I'm really sorry you keep having to deal with people who prefers to think ill.
I am the person that the livejournal link was referring to. I was the person who was harassed outside the Westin. I just wanted you to know, that while I think your comments were poorly timed and a little tasteless, I know your words were not intended to be malicious. Although I suffered no physical harm from the incident, I can't be sure how I would have taken your comment if I had actually been raped. That said, I urge you to think first before posting something, especially on sensitive topics such as rape or assault. I know you only meant to make a joke, but to actual victims of harassment it is nothing to laugh at.
As a side note, I am upset with Zaush and others like him, but based on his history, I can't say I'm surprised that he would engage in victim-bashing. Either way I am not mad at you.
And then there are people who use accusations of such a nature as a defense mechanism in a discussion or argument as an "end game" comment.
I know it's hard not to get enraged over this kind of attacks, but the best way in my opinion is to ignore them completely. Because whatever you say they will twist and take out of context and turn into yet another reason to attack you. Whatever you say is irrelevant to them, what they crave is your attention. Acknowledging you are upset gives them satisfaction. Ignoring them will eventually bore them and they will seek another target.
As the saying goes: "Don't feed the trolls"
I do not now, nor have I ever understood the attacks that people feel the need to perpetrate upon your character, but it speaks volumes of their ineptitude to simply be an individual. There will always be ignorant antagonizes out there seeking to get a moment of infamy by tearing down the emotions and perceptions of those who deserve, better and a look at the depth of their works. And there will always be those who will do just that. I hope you can eventually wash your hands of their contrite actions, and laugh as you find yourself more solidified in a circle of friends who know you while they wallow in their self defeating cycles.
Cheers
You're fine by us.
good luck in your future endevors sir.
And there is plenty of idiots out there who think they can do this because the world is supposed to revolve around them....Kinda wish we could lock them all in a room and see who is still alive after a week.
*pets head* people are stupid, I've come to appreciate that and have started wearing body-armor.
I chose money over a sex life, no regrets since it later lead to a series of good healthy relationships.
You could also include in that rape definition how similar the act is to torture (the mental effect and consequences are highly similar), or how it is, since most often the assailant is someone the victim knows, often an act that shatters all feelings of safety and stability. Or how the risk of pregnancy and STDs, and the high rate of PTSD, all mean that it also may have an unavoidable physical consequence that the victim might have to live with for years to come, other trauma aside.
But that's simply elaboration on my part, by the way, and not criticism. Keep up the art.
Your art, your imagination, and your personality all speek for themselves. Anyone who (as you said) took the time to learn anything about you knows that you are not a rape-enabler (god that is a such a stupid concept). Besides, if you were, i am pretty sure you would have trolled up their pages and everything else out of rage face.
Just ignore douchentatious dumb-fuckery like this. It is beneath you and anyone with any concept of intelligance to carry on. Tis why I watch you fervantly my dear Fisk. Now, on with your work good sir, there is mind-blowing to be done!
Thanks, though. :3
Stupidity is a lot like nuclear power. It can be used for good or evil and plus you don't want to get any on you.
Also...
Never argue with an idiot. He'll just drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.