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17 years ago
I'm working on an on-going comic series featuring my characters:
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/46503749
Game Projects
Here's a few things I've worked on and/or released since my return.
Bowsette (DK NES): https://www.furaffinity.net/view/31168025/
SMB1 ROM Hack: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/30336903/
SMB3 ROM Hack v2.0: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/29945079/
Super Bowsette (demo): https://www.furaffinity.net/view/29931507/
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https://www.furaffinity.net/view/46503749
Game Projects
Here's a few things I've worked on and/or released since my return.
Bowsette (DK NES): https://www.furaffinity.net/view/31168025/
SMB1 ROM Hack: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/30336903/
SMB3 ROM Hack v2.0: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/29945079/
Super Bowsette (demo): https://www.furaffinity.net/view/29931507/
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I’ve noticed this for a long time, now I’m finally writing it down. There’s been lots going on between artists and fans that’s causing hell to break lose, and it annoys me. So shut up, listen here, and read this. You might find this applies to you in more ways than one. And people, before you start bitching how you think that you're being nailed for something, READ THIS ALL THE WAY THROUGH!! And yes, there IS a last paragraph that says that this DOES NOT apply to everyone, meaning if I sent you a note, that doesn't mean anything about me thinking you're some asshole.
First the artists, there’s several different levels of artists, like high as Blackrabbit or low like some other newbies or people who can’t make art worth crap and no one pays any attention to them. Me? I’m above the crap level, somewhere in the averaging area. When an artist finally moves up in ranks, they start to get more fans, especially if they draw porn really well. Then more and more people start to flock to that artist for more free porn. It’s until they reach a high level with their art that eventually some might start selling their pics, and that’s when things get ugly.
There are also some artists that are just plain asses that think they’re ‘too good’ for their fans to chat. There’s a lot that are nice enough to chat with and are friendly, sometimes they take forever to respond because they’re busy with stuff too. Artists are ranked in different classes so naturally the good ones stick together while the not so good ones try and deal with what they can. Kinda like the rich and poor people, in this case art talent-wise. The wealthy won’t go out and chat making friends with some homeless person, same true with most artists today. This also deals with stuff like gift art too, they aren’t going to give free stuff to people not around their level or someone they don’t really know or care about…but there’s issues behind this too. When artists give each other free art, it’s usually meant to be from the heart or something important and meaningful. That’s basically what it means because if the artist is good, then they could’ve just drew it themselves, but if gift art is given to non-artists, it should still have just as much meaning if not more because that person can’t draw the picture. Yet, that’s where things also get ugly there with the ‘fans’ and they get a little jealous, somewhat resentful, or might even just all out hate the artist AND the person getting the pic, either an artist themselves or not.
The ‘fans’ or better yet the so-called fans…People by nature have hormones and strong sexual desires and fantasies, it’s when they let it grow so much it builds selfishness and the need to act on the feelings. Many of these ‘fans’ don’t care about the artist but only hang around for the free porn (or high-quality art and fanart like Transformers) but some pretend to. Most are content getting the free stuff but there’s always some ass-wipes that try and worm their way to getting free porn of their character. Then it could lead into harassment and the artist or people will harass for other stuff that’s high-quality like with Alvin-Earthworm and his Super Mario Bros. Z. The result is the artists usually block themselves from all fans and then suspect others already chatting with them only wanting free stuff. But like some artists, there are plenty of good or true fans that really like an artist for their work and not for the free porn and it’s too bad so many only care for the porn. Take a look in my gallery and look at all my stuff and you’ll start to see what I mean about the porn. And if people want to read, many usually want to read only porn type material, is that all furry fandom is all about?
http://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/kazufox/
This isn’t a problem with high level artists because plenty of people like suck-ups. But it’s only a matter of time when the ‘fans’ show their true selves. Because so many people depend on porn, they get into a pissy mood and jihad the artist if they censor their porn or if they decide to sell their stuff or other reasons. Best example of this is here.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1233598/
And should the artist say something back, they’ll be looked at as the bad guy, like how so many hate Bernal, because all the zombie porn addicts band together and are against him or her, and those a people that only care for the porn. And damn do people really BITCH! It’s annoying as hell, so grow the fuck up or don’t bother looking at the person’s art at all, it’s just THAT simple! And it’s at those times an artist can find can find who their true fans are, and yet again, more reasons for artists to be suspicious of their ‘fans’ and they sometimes act the way they do. That’s why some artists fight back by deciding to pack up and move all their stuff, either to pay sites or off the internet causing MORE people get upset because of this, it’s a lose-lose situation. Granted, plenty of artists just don’t care about their fans and treat them like crap, especially if some of the fans want to get to know them, they might accuse them of only wanting free art and ignore them. People might think the artist has an ‘I’m too good for you’ attitude, but it could be of something else and might end up not liking the artist. Then starts the hate, resentment, and plans of getting away with free stuff as things continues in a vicious cycle.
Why am I making this journal? Don’t have a reason, I’m bored, happy? No, I’ve kept this to as much facts as I can so nit’s not in my opinion. This is what I’ve noticed while being here on FA and also DA. And before anyone starts making any flaming posts, I want to be clear, not ALL artists, not ALL fans are assholes, and NOT everyone is hooked on porn, there’s plenty of good fans and artists out there, but this journal shows the bad side of things. I’m NOT making this against any specific artist or any fans of artists. This is all I’ve been seeing with the few years I’ve been online. And yes, I’ll admit some of this applies to me also, but it's when thigs get out of hand I get annoyed. So go ahead, here’s your matches, go ahead and flame if you want. But in advance, to all channers that plan on posting something stupid, fuck you I don’t care what you say.
First the artists, there’s several different levels of artists, like high as Blackrabbit or low like some other newbies or people who can’t make art worth crap and no one pays any attention to them. Me? I’m above the crap level, somewhere in the averaging area. When an artist finally moves up in ranks, they start to get more fans, especially if they draw porn really well. Then more and more people start to flock to that artist for more free porn. It’s until they reach a high level with their art that eventually some might start selling their pics, and that’s when things get ugly.
There are also some artists that are just plain asses that think they’re ‘too good’ for their fans to chat. There’s a lot that are nice enough to chat with and are friendly, sometimes they take forever to respond because they’re busy with stuff too. Artists are ranked in different classes so naturally the good ones stick together while the not so good ones try and deal with what they can. Kinda like the rich and poor people, in this case art talent-wise. The wealthy won’t go out and chat making friends with some homeless person, same true with most artists today. This also deals with stuff like gift art too, they aren’t going to give free stuff to people not around their level or someone they don’t really know or care about…but there’s issues behind this too. When artists give each other free art, it’s usually meant to be from the heart or something important and meaningful. That’s basically what it means because if the artist is good, then they could’ve just drew it themselves, but if gift art is given to non-artists, it should still have just as much meaning if not more because that person can’t draw the picture. Yet, that’s where things also get ugly there with the ‘fans’ and they get a little jealous, somewhat resentful, or might even just all out hate the artist AND the person getting the pic, either an artist themselves or not.
The ‘fans’ or better yet the so-called fans…People by nature have hormones and strong sexual desires and fantasies, it’s when they let it grow so much it builds selfishness and the need to act on the feelings. Many of these ‘fans’ don’t care about the artist but only hang around for the free porn (or high-quality art and fanart like Transformers) but some pretend to. Most are content getting the free stuff but there’s always some ass-wipes that try and worm their way to getting free porn of their character. Then it could lead into harassment and the artist or people will harass for other stuff that’s high-quality like with Alvin-Earthworm and his Super Mario Bros. Z. The result is the artists usually block themselves from all fans and then suspect others already chatting with them only wanting free stuff. But like some artists, there are plenty of good or true fans that really like an artist for their work and not for the free porn and it’s too bad so many only care for the porn. Take a look in my gallery and look at all my stuff and you’ll start to see what I mean about the porn. And if people want to read, many usually want to read only porn type material, is that all furry fandom is all about?
http://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/kazufox/
This isn’t a problem with high level artists because plenty of people like suck-ups. But it’s only a matter of time when the ‘fans’ show their true selves. Because so many people depend on porn, they get into a pissy mood and jihad the artist if they censor their porn or if they decide to sell their stuff or other reasons. Best example of this is here.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1233598/
And should the artist say something back, they’ll be looked at as the bad guy, like how so many hate Bernal, because all the zombie porn addicts band together and are against him or her, and those a people that only care for the porn. And damn do people really BITCH! It’s annoying as hell, so grow the fuck up or don’t bother looking at the person’s art at all, it’s just THAT simple! And it’s at those times an artist can find can find who their true fans are, and yet again, more reasons for artists to be suspicious of their ‘fans’ and they sometimes act the way they do. That’s why some artists fight back by deciding to pack up and move all their stuff, either to pay sites or off the internet causing MORE people get upset because of this, it’s a lose-lose situation. Granted, plenty of artists just don’t care about their fans and treat them like crap, especially if some of the fans want to get to know them, they might accuse them of only wanting free art and ignore them. People might think the artist has an ‘I’m too good for you’ attitude, but it could be of something else and might end up not liking the artist. Then starts the hate, resentment, and plans of getting away with free stuff as things continues in a vicious cycle.
Why am I making this journal? Don’t have a reason, I’m bored, happy? No, I’ve kept this to as much facts as I can so nit’s not in my opinion. This is what I’ve noticed while being here on FA and also DA. And before anyone starts making any flaming posts, I want to be clear, not ALL artists, not ALL fans are assholes, and NOT everyone is hooked on porn, there’s plenty of good fans and artists out there, but this journal shows the bad side of things. I’m NOT making this against any specific artist or any fans of artists. This is all I’ve been seeing with the few years I’ve been online. And yes, I’ll admit some of this applies to me also, but it's when thigs get out of hand I get annoyed. So go ahead, here’s your matches, go ahead and flame if you want. But in advance, to all channers that plan on posting something stupid, fuck you I don’t care what you say.
This journal is nothing im not familar with, ive known this for years now ever since i first started posting on VCL and left VCL...
To state.. I am an asshole i kick puppys and burn ants with cigs... :3
Can only assume you're hoping for page views with this, unless you somehow include me as one of the artists/fans described in this journal.
And I could care less about getting page views.
try not to be so fucking wordy dude, stick to one subject if you're going to go out of your way linking people specifically to what you have to say. you better have reason for it or you're going to basically piss people off.
IN OTHER WORDS: DON'T BE SO MOTHERFUCKING VAGUE
if it's really that relative of peoples' interest, the journal will get peoples' attention otherwise. if not, it means youre just blindly ranting and NOONE CARES
when you send someone nothing but a PM with a URL to a journal about asshole artists and you say NOTHING more and are completely vague it's RUDE AS HELL, because really, how COULD anything but the asshole popular artist bit apply to me in any way? I dont censor my work. watermark, but no censors :P
Seriously. It gets old. It's not a matter of skill or any of that crap, it's the fact that some of us don't exist to get asspats from the furry fandom. We have other things to do with our time.
And artists aren't only friends with other artists. We don't sit here and go 'HMM, well, you're a NICE person, but your drawing just isn't up to level here, I don't think we can be friends now but try back later!'. No. Just... no. There are plenty of artists in this fandom who are friends with non-artists, non-writers, whatever, and the people they're friends with are the ones who don't get hung up on shit like that.
I don't know what you're going one with this furry hierarchy bullshit, but it's insane,
And just so you know, there's some incredible artists out there with 500+ watchers and thousands of pageviews who don't have a drop of porn in their gallery.
Next, I know plenty of non-porn artists get attention too, this journal talks about the ones that make porn and how popularity goes with them. Sometimes other non-porn artists let things get to their head too.
I also mention that fans like to get on artists about their stuff, did you read that part? It's not just about the artists and I said this is only pointed at some of the bad I see so people will SEE it if they don't realize it and hopefully do something about it!
To every artist out there, consider this a warning to watch for fans that'll suck-up to you. Some will only do it for free stuff. I made that clear, but obviously everyone that started ranting about it hasn't read past that point.
all of this is known fact, I've been drawing for money for a long fuckin' time, you don't think I don't know when people are sucking my asshole for freebies? you're not revealing anything to anyone. I SERIOUSLY thought you were trying to call me some unappreciative ass for not responding to enough comments.
I'd like to add something with regards to established, talented artists not taking trades from newer artists though. I reckon a lot of the time it will happen, but not because "I'm sorry, you're just not popular enough" but because the newer artist isn't as skilled yet as the artist s/he seeks to trade with.
I don't count that as an egotistical or arrogant thing though. Of course there will be the case where it Is all about the ego, but I figure the majority of the time it would feel like an unequal trade.
It's the equivilent of a man wanting to swap a busted TV for the new HD plasma his friend has. Newbie artists gets something fantastic while friends doesn't so much.
And likewise, the newer artist would probably feel they were getting an amazing piece of art work at a knock down price of "Just one of my amateurish sketches"
I'm finding it hard to word this without sounding arrogant myself, tbh....so maybe there's a point in all this XD
If I could draw, I think I'd do trades with people I'd consider able to swap a fair 'product' with, otherwise stick to comissions, I can use the money, they enjoy the picture.
Feel free to argue against this or ignore it completely, it's late and my arguments get less coherent the later it gets =3
It would sicken me that people would shun others on the basis of "Pffth, your art work couldn't POSSIBLY be compared to mine!" pomposity.
I could never be like that...pretty pictures on the internet mean nothing when compared to a real friendship with someone you can connect with. I suppose for artists you just have to hope you actually have a real friend in "that guy" and not someone who screams at you the minute you turn the valve on the "Free Artwork" hose off.
Well... Yiff Isn't the only that I like on Furry Art, I like too the funny pics, cutes ones too...
I can also see that some 'swift-readers' already started asking for info wich is already explained in the Journal! X.x
Well... now for my opinion on the Furry Fandom:
I think The Fandom is filled with bad people just like at school, but there are good people too.
Those good people are bashed by the bad people, the good people try/want to do something about the bad people, the good people become the bad people and then they've got you right where they wanted you.
I'm talking about people like: Odylic-Force and Dragon_Nexus here who are trying to twist your nipples and put you down as the bad-guy, just because you have a statement wich carries alot of inpenetratable arguments! =3
Thus, they're trying to get you into Conversation only to make you look bad and throw of your statement.
So when you see evil comments like those, then don't comment them! ^_^
But anyway... Thatswhy you should stick with people you really care about. I mean... you can't change people's thoughts, no matter how right you are. People are stubborn and like to live, read, hear and believe what they want. If a person starts cussing at you then you know it's a bad person and you'll leave him/her alone.
Likewise: If an artist doesn't reply, it either means that he/she doesn't have any time for you or they just don't care about you. (You can never know about that for sure).
Thatswhy I always stick with the people I care about. ^_^
I don't care for the Porn, I only care about that I have fun with the people I like! X3
If an artist is an ass, then I don't talk to them! It's that simple.
But I can understand that it's hard sometimes. Especially when you see they can get away with it. X.x
It's frustrating sometimes, but insolvuable! ^^;
So Stick to friends, Ditch the enemies and let it all hang out! =3
That's all the advise I can give.
*Screams and throws self through 24th story window*
sorry bro. had to be done.
On the other hand, if an artist wants to hock me some pre-drawn digital art, I consider it worthless because it's going to end up on some file sharing web site or service sooner or later. Even Bernal isn't immune with his DMCA crap, thanks to the furry pirates in Russia.
If a furry artists starts to only sell their porn, and only teases the fans with censor work (which is very annoying and gives me that "exploited" feeling), I just move on to other artists because I honestly don't care that much. Why? Digital art furry pornography artists join FA all the time. All I have to do is check my watch list and I've got at least five to ten reasonable to excellent quality pieces every single day or even twice a day sometimes. If somebody thinks I should pay for their digital porn, they are sadly mistaken. Furry porn pay sites are just as big of a joke as the mainstream porn sites are. I'll pay for a lap dance or some other physical service (where legal) long before I'll shell out any dollars for porn.
Another reason why digital pay art is worthless is because we will always have top-level artists giving away their art for free. These individuals did not turn furry into their career, but made it a hobby they are truly passionate about and want to share with everybody. Besides, many of those top level artists who give away their art for free are often more highly skilled then most all of the pay artists. Nek0gami or Rayndancer, anybody?
My point is, if an artist is good enough to take in thousand dollar commissions, then they obviously deserved it. But if they aren't good enough for that and resort to selling their digital porn on a pay site, then they may as well throw in the towel if their goal is to make money.
I have no sympathy for artists who bitch about piracy, but I have the utmost respect for those who sell real media and commissions, even if the commissions are digital.
I don't see much of what you're writing about. Of course there may be people like that and I don't care if it's an artist or a fan, if somebody misbehaves I won't be nice in reply. Polite, but not nice. I don't like all this swearing very much. I accept it but will never use it myself. Not in the public. It does not beseem. I'm of old school and I do not see any reason why I should forget about the manners my parents taught me in my early years just because I do not face the people personally. I try to treat people with the respect I'd like to be treated with. And no matter how good I'd become with my art that will never change.
As for artists who do not respond immediately: I can think of good reasons why they will be too busy to be only answering comments on their artwork, answering the hundreds of emails and personal notes they get, staying in touch with their commissioners, keeping an eye on their auctions and besides that produce so much fine art. I don't see why they shall be accused of not being nice. I think it is very nice of famous artists to share their art with us. They need not have to. But they do it. And of course a watermark does not look very nice, but I can understand if they place one. It's their decision what they do with their art and it is not up to us fans to judge them for that. This art belongs to them. They own it. If they upload it here we should be very grateful for that and just keep our mouths shut. If an artist is even so kind and does give out free art or accepts requests even if it's just once a year we can not be grateful enough. They could as well have opened slots for commissions and made money with it. But they did not because they liked to make some people happy - like ones who could never afford a commission. That's so very nice of them. Thank you to all artists who upload their works, who give out free arts, who take the time to reply to as much comments/emails/notes they get as possible.
And to all those fans who think artists owe them something: you're mistaken. Unless you haven't paid them and therefore have some kind of "contract" with them you do not have any right to get something from them. If your self-confidence is dependent on stuff like replies, free arts or anything alike you do have a problem. This problem is not the artist.
@ one of the posters above: If you have a problem with people tell them in a personal note. Or leave out the names in public posts. That's just a good advice. That has to do with being mature, responsible and sensible. And good manners.
that and people are people no matter where you go. some furries may like to believe theyre not human, but they are and humans suck. pointing out all the reasons why humans can suck within an art fandom and linking specific people to it without explanation is beyond me.
"I'm not popular, look at my art more".
Cingy fans make artists nervus and nervus artists can turn into assholes.
Sometimes artist do free art, and this makes other people expect free art and draws clingy fans.
Dude. You had to come to FA to understand this? It’s a fact of life. Did you know that some artist do free porn in order to draw fans? Maybe you should try that, instead of spam-noting people. People who have nothing to do with this.
*ahem*
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! OPEN YOUR EYES AND ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY INSTEAD OF JUST WRITING IT OFF AS SOME BS!!! OKAY, THANK YOU!!!
And another thing twat, that's only half of the people that actually POSTED think.
I did think about what said, and it sounds like utter crap and rhetoric. It sounds like basic attacks on everyone here at FA without naming names. The only names you drop are perhaps a few artists who you think are “worthy” of looking up to. You fill this journal down with word ontop of word without adding a unique thought or interesting topic among the bunch. You attempt to chide anyone who doesn’t read the work all the way through by making them look stupid, just because you say so. Well, ya know what, TWIT, I say so - you’re a fucktard. End of it. You noted artists who you wanted to look at this, so maybe, god forbid, SOMEONE, ONE of these artists gives YOU free art, because they find 5 words to agree with amongst the pile of horse manure.
I can only guess the people who “thought” about were the people who uttered 5 words of agreement rather than the people who pointed out countless words of contradiction.
Do you really think I'm gonna get some free stuff out of this? The only reason I added names was because those were the most recent examples to use. What, you wanted me to use annonymous?
And go ahead, say this attacks everyone on FA, DA, yiffstar, WHATEVER! Maybe it DOES talk about everyone, but what are you going to do about it bitch? Whine about how mean I am for telling things the way they are? Trying to show how things are. Honestly, did you REALLY think I'd actually get some free art? Ha! Excuse me while I laugh, but no.
This is the last time I'll mention that NOT every artist and NOT every fan is like this...but plenty are. You're just upset because you're an ass-kissing whore that's PMSing because you think I'm talking about you're favorite artists. Isn't that right? guess what whore, I sent notes to asswipes too, but I guess I should just send it to artists because the asswipes come on their own. Thank you for proving that and proving my own point!
And I wasn't talking about the artist you named, I'm talking about any among the hundreds you probably noted this to. You want their attention. Which is why you’re so adamant about throwing whatever shit you have at me because I don’t buy this and, god forbid, some of those important artist might just side wit hme.
You? Mean? No. You're an idiot for thinking it HAS to be pointed out. The writing is on the wall. You describe every artist possible, so you MUST be talking about some of my favorites, but ya know what? I don’t care! You’re an “insightful genius” who started off by making some miracle statement that HAD to be noted to hundreds of artist you don’t even know and is now being reduced to name calling and ranting your fool head off. By the way, it’s “your” not “you’re.”
I love this whole "I'm gonna watch something happen, and then tell people I said I was gonna happen.” bit you’ve got going on, too. Like I said last post - you’re going to tell me I’m stupid just because you want to believe it so.
You’re proving your own stupidity each and every time you try.
Now go for it - block me, and then make some huge fuck-you comment. I'll love it.
Why shame? A job's a job. Would you call shame on a business for making profit of the consumers (that made them successful)?
And if a job is a job, does that mean you support your local drug dealers? Pretty much the same basic principle.
You're saying that because a service was free to begin with, it should never be sold for a profit at all? I really don't think so. It's not like the artist is thinking "Hey, I know a lot of deadbeat furry artists with no jobs watch my gallery, so I'm going to start charging money for my art! That'll show 'em." No. It gets to the point where an artist has honed his skills to the point where they can legitimately be used to make a profit. There's no direct malice towards the watchers. It's someone trying to make a living doing what they want to do. Assuming I were to play at a venue for free for a bit of publicity, then worked my way up to getting paid to play music. Is that extortion? No. People pay money for goods and services that they want. It's how society works.
These artists (at least the ones on FA) also still post art for free from time to time, so it's not like they're making everyone pay for their art, even if any of the posted art is probably to promote a CD they're selling or an auction. And as I'm sure you can see, there are -plenty- of furs that have money. There are hundreds of commissioned pieces on FA everyday, many of which probably cost more than $80 a piece. The main reason no furs have money is that they -suck- at budgeting, and whine and bitch when they can't cover their months rent.
And you might as well have compared the whole "job is a job" argument to Hitler and the holocaust. It would've been just as effective.
And you shouldn't put words in my mouth. The point I was trying to get at with the money thing is they know they're going to burn people and yet still act surprised when they get angry people. IF they really wanted to make legitimate money with their honed skills they would move on to something a little bit more notable than porn. I've seen a few artists around here that have gone on to actual comic book work and illustrations in all sorts of books while still doing their thing here. That's legitimate. Coming around here posting stuff with censors all over it and basically telling people "Give money, get porn" that's.... kinda sleezy.
Though I will agree with the furs sucking at budgeting, that is so damn true I did lol.
And no... you don't want me to get into a Hitler discussion.
Porn isn't really much of an addiction, so I still don't think comparing it to a drug dealer, a specialist in selling (often) heavily addictive narcotics, is a very effective argument. Porn is a very large industry, with many people willing to pay for it's circulation. As far as I'm concerned, it's legitimate (and no more degrading than other legal vocations) so long as it contains consenting participants of legal age. The "underhanded" practice you speak of (censored, lewd images on a free art site) may seem a bit dirty and sleezy, teasing users into buying porn that's so close to their fingertips, but it's a marketing tactic. Like showing scantily clad women on a giant billboard to sell some sort of make up.
Though I agree that artists going into comic book production would be a good idea, it's not always for everyone. Some people want the ability to work at home, or on their own schedule. It's hard to have control over where and when your stuff is sold when someone else has the rights on what you're drawing for them. You can't just go around selling comics your art is featured in, and that's a limitation some artists might not appreciate (though I'm aware they can publish their own exclusive comments, which still kind of comes back to the "selling on FA" thing).
I'm also not trying to get you on an argument about Hitler. I mentioned it because I don't believe comparing a legitimate practice (like selling pictures or porn) should be compared to something illegal such as selling narcotics.
You're right, it is a marketing tactic they use with the censored images they post, but it still causes the trouble we're seeing here. I say if they're gonna post stuff to attract people to their site, post some older uncensored work. People wont run around like they have sand in their pussies and the main site will still be pimped. Or better yet, give back a little and pay for an ad banner here like that Collar Factory one I'm seeing right now. Scratch each other's backs, ya know. No need to run around like "elitist pricks" like that one guy was saying in the link above.
And I know a lot of people WANT to work at home and set their own hours but come on, that's just an excuse. Even privately owned and operated businesses don't get that luxury. Running your own site like this you have no guide lines as to how to operate. Hell, in cases where there's a small group of artists working together you don't even need to update regularly and can just sit back and let everyone else do it all. You have to agree to some extent just how lazy that is. If you tried doing that in a comic book production or animation project or the like you'd be shit canned in no time.
And I knew what you were getting at with the Hitler thing it was just my (poor) attempt at some laughs since I know if Hitler was the topic I'd end up saying stuff that piss lots of people off.
Uncensored, older works may be a little more 'fair' to the viewers, though posting something old to advertise something new isn't going to be the most effective method of showing off your commissions/pay site/gear/etc. Agreed that a paid banner would be a fairly good idea.
We're also agreed on the point that there can be no successful venture without strict deadlines. I'm sure we know of at least one big artist that's let their lack of deadlines get the ultimate better of them, ruining their reputation among other things.
I just wanna mention one thing about the porn. I, myself, love porn, lewd adaptations, and sex, but it will never control my life. =3
And yeah, seconded on that porn thought. It's good, but sometimes you've just seen too much of it.
I gotta disagree with that.
I'd like to hope that was simply a badly worded voicing of your opinion, otherwise you're implying that artists who offer comission work or charge for access to their art work are exploiting their fan base for their loyalty.
How can charging for hard work be bad? In the case of many people, the hours they put into a comission do not compare in any way to the minimum wage of their country.
My colourations take me about 4-8 hours. I can't imagine anyone would seriously pay £25-50 for my crap every time. I'd probably get about £10, which works out at about £1.25-£2.50 an hour. Sweeping the streets or cleaning toilets earns you more.
No, that's pretty much how I wanted to word it. I mean, to a smaller degree you pretty much just agreed with the statement. I wouldn't go so far as to say they're exploiting people, but it is to some degree taking advantage of how popular you've become. I can't discourage stuff like commissions though since that would just make me a hypocrite, and god knows how we love them, but like I said, making a full fledged living like this, that's going a big far.
I hope you're aware why you're getting flamed.
And yeah, I noticed the flaming. I was prepared for a lot of it...
Can't say noting people didn't work.
This comment I'm writing is the 67th reply to this journal. His previous best was 22, then 18, then 10....and then a lot of 0s.
People, this ISN'T one specific theme. Pay attention to it.
..so..did you forget to mention the people who infact change themselfs just to fit in with other people,a person trys to draw just to be another person's friend ending up being copyed in every way before you two end up bing the same exact person only in diffrent colors.
this actuly happens in a chain
for me it started with one person copying this other person,then i copy the copyer,then broke off that chain and became orginal before long hid has a number one fan who stole my charater's "code",becme a exact copy of me in everyway....then he gets copyed by one of my friends...they fight.....then a lot of confusing things happens.....
......god does this apply to anything that was just siad there?
.......forget it im not make you say anything.....
I know some people would copy other's art style (or try at least) until they can make their own work style. But a chain of copying and the code stealing part, that I'd say it's new to me still.
one day he for no resion at all made a DA account with the same name and submmited two BIGASS NECK drawings of me and him.
just so you know i copyed
i know 2 other chians that involves Becky,\"line\" becky,Bockey,and Crushims or what ever her name is AND the un intended cirleing chain with every account that starts with the letter A and happens to be about a pink cat or blueish fox
Next time maybe...
The thing is about furrydom is that its superficial at best.
~~~There are few stories comic or otherwise. (old days stories and comics walked hand and hand)
~~~The fetish level grows and grows now even including pedo art.
Ignore art "ranks and levels". Be a creator and do what is needed to improve yourself and if you gather a few friends of like mind then it will be all worth it.
I could write a journal about how the grass grows, how trees are made of wood and how the sun rises and sets every day, doesn't make it any less pointless than this journal.
Did it ever occur to you that perhaps these "awesome artists" don't respond is because they get dozens of comments every day, some going into hundreds, and they simply don't have time to answer them all?
Did it ever occur to you that it's impossible to be friends with every person who starts talking to you?
Are you seriously that dense that you believe the only reason these artists don't talk to newbies is out of arrogance and ego? If so then you're no better than these egotistical artists you decry.
"Well I know it won't change those snobby artists". As in, I was talking solely about the egotistical ones.
Note that I said -some-, not all.
Meaning those that don't respond fall into the "Egotistical asshole" catagory you mentioned earlier.
That's exactly what that sentence means, whether that was your intention or not.
Same reason it was sent to me.
Attention whoring.
I don't really chat or reply to messages often on FA, but maybe you should check my DA..There I reply a "Thanks" to every single comment..
But on FA, yeah, I do appreciate comments and I always read thru every single one I get. If they are questions or something I can talk about, then I'll reply..Maybe I'm just lazy to reply on FA..
Let's see..winning popularity through porn, yup, I've seen those. But I'm not bothered really. I'm not a yiffy artist anyway, and I want to stress the fact that my characters are NOT PORN STARS of any sort. I just do nudes coz its something I like..Maybe I do draw a few straight pics but those aren't posted anywhere on the web anyway.. :P
Its true the fans all want yiffy and nudes, but that's not why I'm here, I'm here to show my characters (Team Wildcatz) to the world. Even if they don't get much faves and recognition compared to the nudes, I'm pretty confident it will be in the near future. I'm still a beginner artist anyway, 3 years of drawing isn't really enough IMO..and my progress is slow.
Then again, if you're trying to tell me I'm one of those kinda people whom you seem to hate so much then..Well, too bad. I don't have time to argue over such topics.
Not a hard concept. Kind of like a sign that says "Stop if wearing blue, make right". Are you wearing blue? "Stop if being sycophant, make left". Are you being sycophant fan? "Honk if your horn is broken" <void goes here>
Apathy sets in again.
Back to lurking around watching all the talented people and battling the internets and a tablet that makes everything I do look retarded.
"Basically, what you've done is similar to calling peoples' homes while they're having dinner to take some shitty survey they couldn't care less about. THAT is why people are annoyed. WE KNOW that what you're saying is true."
This thing sure did draw a lot of comments though, did he just send it to everyone on his \"friends\" list or what?
If people are actually interested in you and what you have to say, you'd have watchers and they'd swing by to come see what you have to say anyway.
Basically, what you've done is similar to calling peoples' homes while they're having dinner to take some shitty survey they couldn't care less about. THAT is why people are annoyed. WE KNOW that what you're saying is true.
EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS TRUE! YES! it is.
but the way you're going about it is.... LAME. you're 18. I've been in this fandom since I was 10. that's 14 years bro. so yeah, just go back to hiding and watching art :P you're not making any friends and the people who ARE agreeing with your post are probably new to the fandom/naive themselves and wanna suckle your butthole because thats what furry newbies do for one another.
I would have liked to have thought so...but no o.0
I know for a fact that the artists aren't stuck up. I've met a couple of the really popular irl ones and they're the nicest people you could possibly hope to meet. But the minute you throw some well drawn porn up for people to look at you've got rabbid fans crawling up your ass constantly.
-I- am no where near the level of MBR or Bernal.. and -I- get PMs all the time. Most of them are nonesense PMs containing something like 'murr', or 'yiff'.. as if I'm supposed to know what that even means and will respond in kind. I don't even want to imagine the kind of things fans PM to the really good artists.
I took my contact information down for that very reason. I don't like getting random messages.. hearing about how a fan is wanking it to a picture I drew. >_< Dude, that guy wouldn't leave me alone. *shudders*
Artists don't chat with fans because aLOT of fans are icky.
the issue will drop itself, its only been a day, the kid made a BLIND dumbass of himself and INSULTED tons of people, including me, he deserves what he got. I will, however help stop the traffic and remove the URL to his entry from my past journal.
but yeah, dont try and 'threaten' people, it'll make you the laughee. And I'm NOT mocking. I really am just warning you. people arent too respectful around these parts, you have to handle yourself in just the right way.
The journal creator has stopped replying to people, I notice.
Towards the end it was clear he was getting bored of only 5% of people not flaming him and went on that childish tirade of calling people twats.
He brought this on himself. I have little doubt he doesn't like all this, but that's tough luck. He's made his bed, and now he's going to have to eat it.
Statement 2: Because this journal is posted, people will read it.
Statement 3: Because [statement 2], people will have opinions.
Statement 4: Because [statement 3], at least one person will not agree, and voice his/her opinion.
Statement 5: Because [statement 4], you will form an opinion of said person's actions.
Statement 6: If said opinion is shared, it will be posted, and people will read it.
Statement 7: Because [statement 6], [statement 3].
Statement 8: Because [statement 7], [statement 4].
Statement 9: Because [statement 8], [statement 5].
Statement 10: Statements 7-9 will repeat indefinitely until one or more parties involved ceases posting.
Imperative 1: Get a fucking grip.
Imperative 2: Stop posting replies to the replies to the replies on this shit.
The end.
Pull this journal down. Apologize for the hassle. And in the future, when you rant, DON'T spam it to the folks on your watch list, because by doing so, wether you mean to or not, you TARGET them. I don't care how many disclaimers you put up. They got the message about this, meaning THEY are who you're targeting. If you listen, good for you. if not... well, that's your problem.
And yes, before you ask, I DID read the journal despite my not being one of the folks who received word about it, and it is in fact, OLD NEWS. Chill out.
~Fait
Ok well as an artist (I'd say average to crappy) I normally turn my messenger to invisible not to be rude but last time I left it on with the BUSY setting I got ten IMs in an hour that I didn't recognize and I was trying to play AirRivals. I like talking with folks when I can but I'm not always available to chat, or I'm already talking to like two of my friends and roleplaying in SecondLife so I'm kinda over extended as is. I talked with one famous artist who stopped doing any request/trade art and only does commission or what he feels like doing and I think it kinda boils down to "where do you draw the line between a hobby and a business?" If art is a skill you can market can we blame someone for trying to earn money with art work? There is so much furry porn out there (new stuff comes out in floods) and alot of artists put out free porn as well as stuff you have to pay for. In the end, they don't HAVE to post the art work at all.
Some artists might get a bit full on themselves but I don't think that happens often. I try to do stuff to thank my watchers when I have time to do so while taking commissions and such. Honestly I can't blame the people that post teaser pics I know if I was good enough to be published I would probably do the same thing.
Lets all be mature and be thankful for the free art work that is out there and show the artists we love we appriciate them by maybe paying a little money to enjoy their work?
Nice to see someone still interested in what I have to say...
Hmm... someone indirectly mentioned Nicobay around here GETALIFE.
I'm surprised there's someone still posting here.