The Bull Calf of 2007.
13 years ago
In 2007, one of the individuals I was taking care of was a bull calf. He was less than two weeks old when he first came to my pastures, together with his mother and a few other individuals.
In the beginning he was the most shy of them all, and it took a long time for me to earn his trust. His half-sister of the same age as he, was much less shy, and she frequently would explore or examine things in a reckless manner, while he was always very cautious about the same things.
But once I eventually did earn his trust, I was overwhelmed by how fond he became of me. If I was laying down in the pastures to rest, or to sleep, he would come over to me, lay down as close to me as possible and snuggle up. Sometimes, he would lay down on his side and rest his head upon my chest, keeping his nose up against my chin, and sometimes even falling asleep like that.
After having been drinking milk from his mother, and his mother wanted to groom and lick him, he would instead run up to me, because my grooming was more gentle and less harsh than the way she did it. I have to say that she was one of the roughest licking cows I have ever met, so I do understand why he would prefer my grooming, but... it was still another thing that felt very charming to me, that he'd prefer my touch over the touch of his mother.
When he was exploring different parts of the pasture, or new and slightly scaring things, he would be much more brave if I was by his side. My presence beside him would encourage him, and make him feel safe. If other humans came by, he would be scared of them, unless I was there beside him, and if something ever scared him, he would run up to me.
I guess I don't need to say that it was impossible for me to not feel incredibly touched and honoured that this sweet and sensitive bull calf would choose me as his protector to such a level. Of course, sleeping beside him, being with him while he was grazing and exploring, grooming him and in turn being licked by him, I did form a bond closer to him than I have formed with any other living being, whether human or non-human. He felt like my little brother.
I guess it helps that I am identifying myself as a bovine as well. I always enjoy to spend as much time as possible together with the herds I am taking care of, as my goal is to be integrated into the herd and seen by them as just another herd-member, albeit the herd-member to bring them food, water, and to seeing that they are well and healthy. Unfortunately, also the herd-member that has to disappear away from the herd to go to work on a lot of days.
But it is always very special when you become something more than just a herd member, when you become chosen as the one herd member to spend time with, when you become chosen to become someone's first choice for being a companion.
In hindsight, I was such an idiot, not to realize that I would miss him beyond belief when he was to be taken away. I am only taking care of other people's cattle, and when winter comes the cattle goes away, and I will never see those individuals again.
Of course, every year, there will be individuals that I miss more than the others. But, of course, with the bull calf of 2007, the blow would be much harder than that.
If I had known then, what I know now, I would have arranged something. I would have tried everything in my might to somehow buy him, and try to pay for someone to keep him during winters, and I could keep him during summers etc. Of course, there were many difficulties about this. I knew in 2007, that I would eventually have to sell my farm, which I just did a few months ago.
But... what on earth are practical difficulties compared to losing such a close companion, and compared to betraying the trust of someone who has trusted you to always be there for him. Well, I wasn't there for him when he needed me, and this is something that has caused me tremendous amount of guilt.
And this is different than just letting a dog go to different owners or so... Me not arranging to buy the bull calf, meant certain death for him. And given how sensitive he was, and how terrified he was of new and different situations, I know that when he would have to be reloaded into lorries and shipped off to a slaughterhouse, the experience would be nothing but utter torture and complete panic and pain for him.
So, in short, by not being there for my bull calf when he needed me most, meant that I was betraying the trust of the one individual who trusted me the most. The one individual who had purely chosen me to be his closest friend.
I cannot think of a worse crime than letting your best friend down when he needs you the most. Of not saving your best friend from cruel, needless death.
During 2009, I was on sickleave from work due to stress-related symptoms, which of course were a mix of many different things, but one of the greatest reasons for me feeling depressed and ill during the last five years, were sorrow, grief, guilt and shame over letting my bull calf down.
It is only now, that I have finally, eventually come to terms that it does not matter how much guilt or shame I feel. What is done is done. I should have done differently. But feeling guilt and grief won't make things right again. Of course this is an easy thing to say, but it is a different thing to truly feel it. And now, for the first time... I can finally say it and mean it.
Before, I felt that if I stop grieving, it would mean that I am diminishing the error I have done, and that I am diminishing how truly wonderful the bull calf was, and how much he meant to me.
But, there is truly no point in me continuing to grieve and hate myself for this. The bull calf was still the most wonderful individual I have ever met. Nothing can diminish how truly wonderful he was.
I have made a promise to myself, that I will eventually get my own farm, and I will eventually be able to care for bovines, and provide them with long, good, healthy, happy lives, without them having to be part of any kind of production.
It won't bring the bull calf back, and it won't erase the suffering I caused him. But I will not make the same mistake again.
I have not posted any pictures of the bull calf here before, not before writing this journal. Because... I cannot bear to post a picture of him with the simple description of "this is a bull calf". He is so much more than that. And... I have not been healed from my grief and guilt until now, so the thought of spilling all the pain out again in text have been unbearable.
It has taken 5 years to heal from the pain and guilt. I could not have done it without the help of some of my great friends, which have all been supportive and caring of me during my time of guilt. There is especially one great friend of mine, who has been actively helping me through these years, and I am endlessly thankful to him.
Oh, and to make a long journal even longer, I should add; my fursona is a blend of me and this very special bull calf. I just never knew what to pick, how I should look. I know how I feel inside, and I feel like a bovine in a human body. But how would I know how I look? What species of bovine? What breed of bovine?
I could have been Wisent, I could have been Charolais, Limousin or Angus... I just could not choose. Until it hit me.
I know it is a cliche... but... the bull calf is forever a part of me. He exists in my memory, he exists in my heart. And he will always be there. Thus he is a part of me... and... thus... my fursona should be a blend of me (the human my body unfortunately is), and the bovine inside of me. The most tangible bovine inside of me, is of course... the bull calf, and thus, my fursona's appearance is a blend between him and me.
In the beginning he was the most shy of them all, and it took a long time for me to earn his trust. His half-sister of the same age as he, was much less shy, and she frequently would explore or examine things in a reckless manner, while he was always very cautious about the same things.
But once I eventually did earn his trust, I was overwhelmed by how fond he became of me. If I was laying down in the pastures to rest, or to sleep, he would come over to me, lay down as close to me as possible and snuggle up. Sometimes, he would lay down on his side and rest his head upon my chest, keeping his nose up against my chin, and sometimes even falling asleep like that.
After having been drinking milk from his mother, and his mother wanted to groom and lick him, he would instead run up to me, because my grooming was more gentle and less harsh than the way she did it. I have to say that she was one of the roughest licking cows I have ever met, so I do understand why he would prefer my grooming, but... it was still another thing that felt very charming to me, that he'd prefer my touch over the touch of his mother.
When he was exploring different parts of the pasture, or new and slightly scaring things, he would be much more brave if I was by his side. My presence beside him would encourage him, and make him feel safe. If other humans came by, he would be scared of them, unless I was there beside him, and if something ever scared him, he would run up to me.
I guess I don't need to say that it was impossible for me to not feel incredibly touched and honoured that this sweet and sensitive bull calf would choose me as his protector to such a level. Of course, sleeping beside him, being with him while he was grazing and exploring, grooming him and in turn being licked by him, I did form a bond closer to him than I have formed with any other living being, whether human or non-human. He felt like my little brother.
I guess it helps that I am identifying myself as a bovine as well. I always enjoy to spend as much time as possible together with the herds I am taking care of, as my goal is to be integrated into the herd and seen by them as just another herd-member, albeit the herd-member to bring them food, water, and to seeing that they are well and healthy. Unfortunately, also the herd-member that has to disappear away from the herd to go to work on a lot of days.
But it is always very special when you become something more than just a herd member, when you become chosen as the one herd member to spend time with, when you become chosen to become someone's first choice for being a companion.
In hindsight, I was such an idiot, not to realize that I would miss him beyond belief when he was to be taken away. I am only taking care of other people's cattle, and when winter comes the cattle goes away, and I will never see those individuals again.
Of course, every year, there will be individuals that I miss more than the others. But, of course, with the bull calf of 2007, the blow would be much harder than that.
If I had known then, what I know now, I would have arranged something. I would have tried everything in my might to somehow buy him, and try to pay for someone to keep him during winters, and I could keep him during summers etc. Of course, there were many difficulties about this. I knew in 2007, that I would eventually have to sell my farm, which I just did a few months ago.
But... what on earth are practical difficulties compared to losing such a close companion, and compared to betraying the trust of someone who has trusted you to always be there for him. Well, I wasn't there for him when he needed me, and this is something that has caused me tremendous amount of guilt.
And this is different than just letting a dog go to different owners or so... Me not arranging to buy the bull calf, meant certain death for him. And given how sensitive he was, and how terrified he was of new and different situations, I know that when he would have to be reloaded into lorries and shipped off to a slaughterhouse, the experience would be nothing but utter torture and complete panic and pain for him.
So, in short, by not being there for my bull calf when he needed me most, meant that I was betraying the trust of the one individual who trusted me the most. The one individual who had purely chosen me to be his closest friend.
I cannot think of a worse crime than letting your best friend down when he needs you the most. Of not saving your best friend from cruel, needless death.
During 2009, I was on sickleave from work due to stress-related symptoms, which of course were a mix of many different things, but one of the greatest reasons for me feeling depressed and ill during the last five years, were sorrow, grief, guilt and shame over letting my bull calf down.
It is only now, that I have finally, eventually come to terms that it does not matter how much guilt or shame I feel. What is done is done. I should have done differently. But feeling guilt and grief won't make things right again. Of course this is an easy thing to say, but it is a different thing to truly feel it. And now, for the first time... I can finally say it and mean it.
Before, I felt that if I stop grieving, it would mean that I am diminishing the error I have done, and that I am diminishing how truly wonderful the bull calf was, and how much he meant to me.
But, there is truly no point in me continuing to grieve and hate myself for this. The bull calf was still the most wonderful individual I have ever met. Nothing can diminish how truly wonderful he was.
I have made a promise to myself, that I will eventually get my own farm, and I will eventually be able to care for bovines, and provide them with long, good, healthy, happy lives, without them having to be part of any kind of production.
It won't bring the bull calf back, and it won't erase the suffering I caused him. But I will not make the same mistake again.
I have not posted any pictures of the bull calf here before, not before writing this journal. Because... I cannot bear to post a picture of him with the simple description of "this is a bull calf". He is so much more than that. And... I have not been healed from my grief and guilt until now, so the thought of spilling all the pain out again in text have been unbearable.
It has taken 5 years to heal from the pain and guilt. I could not have done it without the help of some of my great friends, which have all been supportive and caring of me during my time of guilt. There is especially one great friend of mine, who has been actively helping me through these years, and I am endlessly thankful to him.
Oh, and to make a long journal even longer, I should add; my fursona is a blend of me and this very special bull calf. I just never knew what to pick, how I should look. I know how I feel inside, and I feel like a bovine in a human body. But how would I know how I look? What species of bovine? What breed of bovine?
I could have been Wisent, I could have been Charolais, Limousin or Angus... I just could not choose. Until it hit me.
I know it is a cliche... but... the bull calf is forever a part of me. He exists in my memory, he exists in my heart. And he will always be there. Thus he is a part of me... and... thus... my fursona should be a blend of me (the human my body unfortunately is), and the bovine inside of me. The most tangible bovine inside of me, is of course... the bull calf, and thus, my fursona's appearance is a blend between him and me.
The space itself is not the problem for me to get my own bovines. I had plenty of pastures and land at my previous farm, and I do not intend to buy a tiny farm when I buy one.
One of my biggest interests is to take care of nature and help steer it in the direction that will benefit the species of plants, insects, birds, reptiles and mammals that have become endangered due to how farming and society at large has changed lately. The cultured farm landscape has been the same here in Sweden since a long time before the viking ages, and many of the species are dependent on that kind of landscape to survive.
To benefit the ecosystem I need grazing animals, and I am not going to buy a farm that is too small for me to continue working for the sake of the ecosystem.
Land is not expensive where I live, because it is so far from any larger cities or towns. It's just a matter of the right farms becoming for sale. All I have to do is wait.
It reminds me of a dog that i lost in 2011.
I could have saved her but instead she went to a terrible home.
the guild as you said eats at me everyday.
I am sorry and sympathetic regarding the guilt you have to go through, for the dog. *hugs*
Your loss is well recognised though. we all need friends, im glad yours were there for you ^^
The only thing that I can say is something that I saw in a picture of a plaque on the last flight of the space shuttle. It said....
"Do not cry because it is over, smile because it happened"
be well!
The best friend I have had in this world was a Siberian Husky that graced my life for 11 years. I will not say "pet" for you know that word would never describe what that feeling is like. He was family, he was my partner in life. He left this world many years ago and there is a Husky shaped hole in my life. I am not in a situation right now where I could have another Dog. But when I do, another Husky will be there. It will not be a replacement for him, for nothing can ever do that.
I have a longing, an ache to once again have an animal in my life, to share my life with. Animals have always been a very large part of my life and most times I prefer their company, instead of the so called dominant species on this world. All we can do is share our life with those animals and friends in our company for as long as we can. Life is transitory, friends and animals will come and go, all we can do is try to enrich their lives as best we can as they enrich ours.
take care!
Hopefully it won't be too long until you can once again have a Husky companion.
Thank you so much again, for another wonderful comment, and do enjoy your days!
I wish I had someone awesome like yourself living where I do because I am ashamed to admit I am a little afraid of bulls/cows (same goes for horses to a degree). I know it is just from growing up in cities and never knowing them but even when I lived in the country I would always skirt wide around the loose roaming herds. Keeping a weather eye out for indications of bulls.
I think they are awesome and would love to groom one and have it accept my attention but their size and capacity for power intimidates me greatly!
It is good to be cautious and slightly wary around large animals that you do not know. The more you learn about a species' body language, the more you can tell whether you need to watch out for a certain individual or not.
Some fully grown-up bulls I have met, have been dangerous and aggressive, other fully grown-up bulls I have met, have been utterly sweet and gentle. Sometimes you certainly do have a reason to feel intimidated. I have been tossed up into the air and flung a few metres by an aggressive bull once. That was a bull I was taking care of for a year, and I always had a watchful eye upon him when I was in the pasture. Sometimes he would let me groom him, other times he wouldn't.
If you ever travel near where I live, you would be welcome to pop by for a visit. Preferably when I have a farm again, and when I have cows and bulls of my own.
Then you could meet bovines who are used to human contact, and who would not be aggressive out of fear.
And I will definitely commission you to draw my fursona, whenever it is possible! I have kept looking at your profile page to see if you might be open for commissions. Right now, I am very low on money, and I cannot afford any commissions for a while, but when I do, and when you are open for commissions, expect me to be a customer! :)
I have said for some years, "dead is dead, you can't go back."
Specifically, that no amount of kicking yourself, asking "what might I have done differently", "What should I have done", "Did I do enough", will change the present. It will do no good, only drive you to madness, so must be put out of mind.
I had a stallion for 20 years, from a baby until he suffered an unfortunate reptile encounter. Three weeks later and $K's poorer, the situation became untenable and I had to make that last call to the vet.
(I choke up and tear too much to see the keyboard as I type, now 10 years later.)
He was a special friend. He was never "broke", never wore a bit or saddle. He let me ride him around without so much as a string to control him, he looked out for my miserable bareback riding skills, altering gait and position to keep me safe.
Would he still be here if I had beat the veterinarian about the head and shoulders with a fence post? If I had called someone else? If I hadn't made that last call, and waited for a miracle?
What can I say?
That way lies insanity.
It's done. We can't go back.
*Goes outside and broods*
The loss after such a long-lasting, deep companionship coming to an end, cannot be anything but mental torture. Your words are painful to read, and I apologize for stirring up painful memories in you.
I still hope to eventually form such a deep and special bond with someone, someone that can hopefully be with me for 20 years or longer. Even if I know that the pain will be horrible after the inevitable end.
Fear of loss may try to stop one from forming such a deep bond, but... well, yes... I suppose it is true when they say: "It is better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all."
I wish to thank you most sincerely for your heartbreaking comment.
I am so, so sorry for the loss of that calf. However, I also know a thing or two about the kind of animals who choose their special human, and I am sure he would bear you no ill will for the way things went. The four-legged are much better at living without grief and regret than we are.
But that doesn't make it hurt any less, I know. And I am very sorry.
However that remorse you feel shows you to be a good person. I know nothing else about you except what you've said here, and it is more than enough to have earned my respect.
Totally, COMPLETELY off-topic, your calf-based 'sona is just lovely, one of these days I must draw for you. XD
I do not know much about you either, but I can tell from some of your journal entries that I have read, that you are a very caring and loving individual, who likes to help when you can. My impression is that you are a very good person with your heart in the right place.
And, I am very happy that you would like to draw my fursona! To tell you the truth, I have already been planning to ask if I could commission you, for one of your more expensive works, but I saw that they are closed at the moment. Right now, I can't afford more commissions than those I have already paid for, but it shouldn't be long until I can afford it again.
Once again, thank you for the wonderful comment. It helps so much to know that there are so many people who cares, and can relate. :)
Was horrible.
Anyway. Much like you, I too came away with a sad sad story my friend. I got a call to go pick up some pups and a mother dog from a farm up near the ridge of Monument Colorado. It had been raining hard that week, ice rain and the roads were mostly ice. I was unable to get there because my car could not handle such conditions especially as the area I would go was mostly dirt roads where the snow and ice were high and aggressive. It took me four days before I could make the trek and I was, the whole time, afraid they'd freeze to death. They did not freeze to death. The rancher's mother had decided to just poor oil on the mother dog and her pups and light them on fire. When I got there their charcoaled bodies were covered in ice, dumped out back like trash.
I was very upset. Many things I may have done differnetly. But alas I had taken to long.
I am truly sorrowful to hear your tail. I can not imagine the hurt. I have two dogs who, if anyone should ever try to harm, would be swiftly and brutally punished. So I can only sit here and truly wonder.....how deep your hurt is. To have one that you fully loved and than....this.
I am so sorry. I wish I could say more. Truly a sad sad situation. My condolences! :(
I love dogs also, I have had a few really wonderful dogs being present in my life so far.
Cattle handlers or farmers here in Sweden, aren't very stereotypical, really. Some of them are among the sweetest and most caring people I have ever met, and some of them are truly mean and unpleasant people. We do not have the kind of ranching that you do in the US, there are some traditional old-fashioned small farms left, and there is also very modern, industrial kind of production. That's about it.
Thank You, once again, and be well!
Now that does not mean that you cant have farm animals as pets.
Cows and bulls are companion animals to me. I would have them for the purpose of giving them as good and healthy lives as possible, and for the purpose of grazing the pastures, in a way that is highly important for the Swedish eco-system, since plants, insects, birds, reptiles and mammals have in Sweden been adapted to a cultural landscape of small farming since long before the viking ages.
Many species of plant-life and animal-life have become endangered and/or extinct in the areas where the traditional small farms have closed down, or been replaced by modernized factory farms.
I feel for you my friend. It sucks that we live in a meat only culture. It is how it is however and it will only grow. I see the day dogs will be on regular menus in my country as the population continues to swell. Numbers need food
Well cows are cool critters. Never struck me as bright animals but know they are very loving. Note me any time you'd like to chat bud, your a decent fellow :)
Also, a most unfortunate but interesting live video. To skip witnessing the bloody beating that the calf is dealt then I suggest skipping to 4:15 minutes : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D17ug27NapM - to see some courageous evolved bovine's kick some ass. We can still possess hope that the calf survived intact after his or her ordeal. It might be worth adding that these individuals also emphasize an interesting sociological angle that demonstrates how the weight of numbers and courageous individuals can beat the system and empower their communities.
Not relevant exactly, but while I'm making links, an animation, fantasia taurina that ponyguy plugged : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMUoAXj-k24 - and that reminded me of - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art.....ery-death.html .
And finally, to smash hit the gong of bovine irrelevancies, a tweet I wrote just the other night : "Taking a butch cow up on a kinky offer may seem a rather amusing thing to do at the time, till she gently lands on your back in the heat of passion... and snaps your fucking thigh bone.".
The tweet is based on a true story, except I...I mean...whoever it is that the tweet concerns, was lucky (or not) insofar as the bone didn't actually break, but I'm certain that the silly little two-legger in question won't try and outbutch a butch cow ... for a while at least.
I had never seen Fantasia Taurina before, but it was great, I am so glad you posted a link to it. The article of the elk is also really lovely.
Thank You for the links!
I have a similar story, but...I don't even know where I'd begin trying to tell it. Furthermore, I feel that I lack the words or articulate talent to do so somehow. Perhaps I am afraid of writing down the truth inadequately and therefore cheapening the lives of those who are now gone. Where does the story of someone else's life ever end when you possess profound feelings for them? Someone like that never really dies within us.
I share your guilt and I empathise. Many years ago I could have stepped forward and saved a life...and I didn't. Sometimes, rarely these days, I get close to somebody else, of whatever species, and I recognise that they trust me...but now I am forced to wonder if I can ever again deserve to have any degree of trust bestowed upon me.
The question is : If I'm in the same situation again at some point, where I'm a trusted friend, and my intervention is all that will save their life...will I step forward and do what I know in my heart to be the right thing?
The answer has to be yes. We must learn from all of our life experiences, as painful as many of them are, to evolve ourselves into better beings. We have to confront the predator and make it clear by our words and actions that we won't stand back any longer and allow ourselves or our friends to be brutalised without putting up a damn good fight.
Thank You a lot for this great comment.
Its very sweet that you made the little guy a part of your sona. I don't know you at all but after reading that, you no doubt have a beautiful spirit. Best wishes!
Always nice to meet others who love bovines, its a dream of mine as well to have a farm with a few cows!
I see you have not been at FA for very long. You seem like a really great person, and I am happy to see you here! I hope you enjoy it here, I certainly do, so far. I have only been actively posting here for about a year, but I have found so many lovely people during that time.
I wish you the best in having your own dreams come true!
I was responsible for all of his care and played with him daily. I honestly cannot describe the wonderful bond I had with him, few things have compared to it since. I was his friend, his playmate and to a degree his mother I suppose, I'd fed him his milk everyday, groomed his, made sure he was happy. Since he'd only been with him mother for a few hours before it had become apparent she was ill, I was all he'd known.
I had him since he was a spindly-legged, little calf until his was getting to be a huge, adolescent bull. I wish I could've kept him. I haven't known a young bull to this day to be so calm and friendly. But he wasn't mine, he was my Father's. I guess I knew the day would have to come when he was taken away. Such is the life of a bull calf in the nearly all the cases. I just wish my Dad gave me some warning when he took him to market.
All I could think about for ages afterwards was how he would've reacted in the abattoir. He was so friendly to everyone, so he would've probably just walked right up to the workmen there. I take some solace I suppose in the fact he would've gone quickly, but very little. I just feel like I betrayed him and destroyed the trust he had for me, the one consistency in his life. That I allowed him to be taken away for that purpose. It still feels so cruel to this day.
I try to remember the good times I had with him though, rather than the end. He's influenced the way I act and treat the cattle I work with to this day and he was definitely one of the best parts of my childhood. He was a beautiful creature and a beautiful soul to have known. I am glad to have had the privilege of raising him the world and know he had one of the best life's a calf could've asked for.
He has had influence on my fursona. Mine's name comes from his and he is the soul reason my fursona is a cow. I will never forget Blue, I just wish I could've done more, even though I know I couldn't have.
Our stories are so similar in several ways. The bond, the guilt, the influence on our fursonas, and the influence on how we treat cattle. So, both of our lives has been affected by bull calves. It is... beautiful in a way.
I never named the bull calf I was taking care of... partially because, well, he was not mine to name, not that his owner would have ever thought of naming a random bull-calf that someone else was taking care of for him.
But I almost named him, back when he still was with me, I thought of a name, that I would have given him, but I knew that we would have to part eventually. For some stupid reason, at the time, I thought if I did not name him, maybe that would prevent me from getting too emotionally attached to him. As if something like that would have helped in any way!
So I never called him by the name I had in mind for him. He is just "the bull calf", or in situations where it could be confusing which bull calf I am speaking of, he is "the bull calf of 2007", or "the very special bull calf".
Once again, thank you so much for sharing your story!
It is beautiful. Just getting to opportunity to have that bond is in it's own right a blessing I think. That and it means the cattle I work this get their actions understood better. :)
Everyone has always said to me that I shouldn't name cows or any type of stock really that is likely to end up for food production. But you do end up getting attached to them, it's something you can't help. Besides I think that farming wouldn't be worth it if bonding with the animals wasn't part of it, it inspires you to work harder for them in long run in my opinion. I concluded that as long as I it's my job to make cattle comfortable and happy I may as well name them, because I'll get attached to them anyway. Though the bonds aren't as strong as the one to one bond I had with Blue.
And it's no problem whatsoever. It can be difficult to find other people with similar stories relating to bovines, so I figured you'd understand better than someone unfamiliar with cattle would :P