A psychologist's thoughts on Brony culture...
13 years ago
I'll preface this by stating my "credentials": I am both a furry (and have, in one shape or another, been a furry for 13 or so years) and a self-identified Brony. Additionally, I am a PhD social psychology grad student who studies fantasy engagement, identity formation, and group interaction. While I may not claim to be the most expert on this topic, I feel I can, at very least, contribute a bit to the discussion on bronies and brony culture.
So, what this is about: In a nutshell, I have heard a lot of people, brony and non-brony alike, asking about (or claiming to know) the "reason" for bronies. Essentially, they want to know (or to claim to know) why it is bronies are bronies. This wouldn't bother me so much if it weren't for the fact that almost invariably, the answers given are either demonstrably wrong, painfully simple, or based on ignorant assumptions or generalizations about bronies. Sadly, I hear just as many of these coming from both bronies and non-bronies.
I'll start this with a quick statement about human psychology that is both empirically demonstrable and largely uncontested by psychologists after decades of study: we, as a species, are often unaware of the reasons we do the things we do. We like to THINK we know the reasons why we do the things we do: we think we know why we purchased a particular brand of pop, or went into the field of study that we did, or chose the friends we did. We're supremely confident that we know the reasons why we listen to the music that we do, like the movies we do, and have the hobbies that we do. However, the reality is this: our attitude towards something is just as often determined AFTER THE FACT. What does this mean? It means that, very often, we do something without knowing WHY we do it, and only come up with a reason for it AFTERWARD.
Now, this isn't necessarily a problem... unless you genuinely want to know the reasons why you did something. Have you ever talked to a 4 year old? They can be the most honest people on the planet. Why? When I 4 year old does something, and you say "why did you do that?", what will they often say? "I don't know". We press them for an answer, demand that they GIVE us an answer. Why? Because we have this belief that we ought to know WHY we do the things we do. The four year old has no idea why they did it - in much the same way that we typically don't know why we do the things we do. So, what does the four year old do? They come up with a "good enough" explanation for their behavior. "Why are you playing with that toy truck?" The actual answer might be something really mundane and kind of stupid: because it was the most attention-catching thing in front of them at the moment. What they actually say: "because I like trucks". It's an answer that makes sense, an answer that seems to explain their behaviour.
We never grow out of this and, in fact, we do this EVEN MORE when we become adults. Try it next time you see a friend do some piece of mundane behaviour: ask them why they did it. Why did they grab the blue pen instead of the black pen? Why did they choose Coke instead of Pepsi? Why did they park in this parking spot instead of that one? Why did they choose that shirt over the other one in their closet? They will almost invariably give you SOME reason for it. Why? Because it's threatening to people to realize that we often make decisions for really dumb/ unknown reasons.
Which brings me back to bronies. Why do people self-identify as bronies, and why did I precede this topic by ranting about people not knowing the reasons why they do the things they do?
I want to make the argument that bronies may be bronies for other reasons than the ones they claim. I'm not saying it's deception, or even something they're aware of. But it IS a good question when people look at a grown male watching a show intended for a VERY different demographic, to say "hey, why are you doing that?" And a good question about some strange behaviour necessitates a reasonable-sounding answer. And my argument is that many bronies aren't aware of the real reasons they watch the show. And so they come up with some good-sounding answers which seem reasonable enough until you start to investigate them and realize they're insufficient to explain the behaviour.
What are some of the commonly given "reasons" given to explain why someone is a Brony? I'll list some below (created either by bronies or by non-bronies), and comment a bit on why they are insufficient explanations (and most likely to be after-the-fact explanations):
1) "Breaking down conventional gender stereotypes" --> This sounds like a GREAT idea, and I don't deny that the act of being a brony does indeed challenge existing notions about what boys and girls "ought" to do. That said, I hardly think it the case that bronies identify as bronies simply to challenge existing gender stereotypes. Were that the case, they would be just as open to the notion of watching "Littlest Pet Shop", playing with Polly Pockets, braiding their hair, and other "stereotypically female behaviour". I don't disagree that challenging conventional gender stereotypes is a pleasant side effect of the brony movement, but I don't believe this is what motivates the vast majority of bronies to watch the show and identify as a brony.
2) "Friendship, love and tolerance" --> Like #1, I agree that this is a very pleasant side effect to come about from the brony movement. The show does have a very positive and pro-social message of tolerance and friendship. That said, Sesame Street and Mr. Roger's Neighborhood espouse the exact same values, and last I checked there wasn't a stampede of twenty-something males crowding around to watch the newest episode of Sesame Street. However, when pressed to give an explanation as to why they like the show so much and identify as a brony, many bronies feel obligated to give SOME kind of answer that makes sense, and saying "because it has a positive message" sounds good and feels good. It may even promote these virtues. But I don't feel that's the actual motivation behind participation in this fandom.
3) "It's a high-quality show with great animation/voice-acting" --> One of the most popular explanations is that the show is a high quality show. This is because, yes, it is: the animation is superb, the voice acting is excellent, and the writing itself is reminiscent of many fantastic cartoons from our childhood (e.g. Dexter's Laboratory, Powerpuff Girls, etc...) These are great reasons to like the show, I agree. But this ignores two important facts: there are OTHER shows out there with fantastic animation/great writing, and this explanation would, at best, explain only why people like the show, NOT why they self-identify as a brony and engage in brony culture. For example: the show "Breaking Bad" is an exceptionally popular one, and for good reason: fantastic writing, gripping plot... there are a LOT of Breaking Bad fans out there. That said, there are very few people who would actually define themselves by their love for Breaking Bad. There is no term for a Breaking Bad fan that is analogous to "brony". So, while the quality of the show is indeed one draw for fans of the show, and it's a REALLY great way to justify your loving of the show in what seems like a perfectly rational way, I still feel this is an incorrect, or at very least insufficient reason to explain the brony phenomenon.
4) "These are damaged / socially awkward / people who are regression to their childhood" --> No, and for so many reasons. Our research has empirically demonstrated that this answer is incorrect, primarily because self-identified bronies do not show up as being lower on any metric of well-being that we've assessed. They are just as happy, well-adjusted, and in just as many relationships as the rest of us. Are there strange/socially awkward bronies? Of course there are... just like there are strange and socially awkward non-bronies. The only difference is that we notice the socially awkward brony more because they're doing it while dressed up in a Twilight Sparkle outfit (whereas you may simply ignore and subsequently forget the socially awkward person sitting next to you on the bus, dismissing them as just another crazy).
So, if I don't think any of the above are the reasons why bronies are bronies, what ARE the reasons? While I fully acknowledge that the reasons are plentiful (there is no simple explanation for behaviour, let alone behaviour as complicated as fan membership), I will limit my explanation to what I think are three of the main reasons.
1) Membership in an "embattled minority" community. An "embattled minority" is a group of people who are outgunned, outnumbered, and ultimately represent the "little guy". We like embattled minorities. We write stories about them. We call them heroes (e.g. Rocky vs. Ivan Drago in "Rocky 3", The Spartans in "300", Bruce Willis in "Die Hard", etc...) We tend to frame our social identities in this manner as well, choosing to see ourselves as embattled minorities, whether it's fighting against "society in general" or against "the normals/mundanes", or "the man". Why? Because it makes us feel like heroes - we root for the underdog. Not only does it tell a better story, but it speaks to the righteousness of their position. If a person is outmanned and out-gunned, you naturally have to ask the question: "well then why the hell doesn't he just give up?". The reason: he must be right, he must be standing up for something virtuous and worthwhile. Where do bronies fit into all of this? Well, brony culture is the perfect example of an embattled minority. Bronies take flak from all sides: from popular media, from the internet, from their co-workers and family members. I can almost guarantee that if bronies were alone in this (e.g. you were the only 25-year old male fan of MLP:FiM), they certainly wouldn't self-identify as a brony or make it public knowledge that they were fans of the show (in the same way they would keep it a secret that they watched Sesame Street, for example). BUT: because there are enough of them out there to form this "embattled minority" group, bronies, as a group, can band together. It's validating to know that you're not the only one. And the combination of knowing a) you're not the only one, and b) you're going up against a vastly larger and seemingly more cruel/mean enemy, has the effect of making you feel virtuous, righteous, and ultimately right in your cause. Think about it: many bronies (myself included) LOVE wearing MLP swag: t-shirts, buttons, keychains... anything we can to display our identity as bronies. Why? Because it inevitably gets a response: people roll their eyes and say "oh God, you're one of them", or they want some kind of explanation. When you get negative attention, it only reinforces your membership: you feel even more justified in being a member of the group because the rest of the world, the majority, looks like a bunch of judgmental jerks. It's pretty easy to take the high ground when this is the way the world around you looks!
In short, being a brony infuses an otherwise plain and boring life with this exciting embattled minority narrative: you feel a sense of purpose, a sense of righteousness, and a sense of belonging to a noble cause. The same phenomenon has been demonstrated with religious movements and social movements. And, as I'm hoping many bronies will attest, the negative attention or flak that you get from non-bronies does come with a sense of empowerment, doesn't it? The fact that people disapprove of it, in some way, only makes you want to do it more, doesn't it?
2) A sense of group identity: Similar to the above reason, being a brony is similar to being in a fraternity or a secret society. For one thing, there's an elitism established with regard to knowledge: bronies know information, facts, and details that non-bronies do not. They get to use words and make references that go over the heads of those "not in the know" (which can feel empowering). They get to talk about things that others don't know (talking about the most recent episode, or a rumor floating around about the show). There's also a "hazing" or "initiation" process, just like in many fraternities or secret societies. Membership isn't necessarily free. In the same way that there are hazing rituals to get into fraternities, let's face it: to become a brony you first have to take that plunge and sit down and watch a show that was intended for 8 year old girls. It's not a prospect that most go into willingly: most bronies will readily admit that they were hesitant at first: they resisted, they fought it, they rolled their eyes or expected it to be horrible. Ultimately, they did something they felt was undesirable, and wound up in the club for it. And, in the same way that we justify our efforts after-the-fact when it comes to hazing and fraternities, many bronies do the same thing: why did I agree to watch a show that I was so against the idea of watching in the first place? Well, it must be because it's actually a great show! It must be because bronies are actually a really cool and worthwhile group? And, well, bronies do feel like a secret society because, let's face it, the vast majority of the world around you is not a brony. But when one brony sees another brony wearing a t-shirt or other bit of swag, there's that moment of recognition followed by a huge grin. You both know what's going on. You've made an instant connection, an instant friend - you instantly have something to talk about. It can feel great to belong to a group far bigger than oneself, and to feel a sense of community tempered and strengthened by the fact that you've been stigmatized by the rest of society. For many bronies, this is one of the biggest draws to the community. This is even reflected in the expression "join the herd", reflecting the importance of the social or group mentality to the identity of bronies.
3) A unique relationship between content creators and fans. In a way seemingly unlike most other fandoms, the staff of MLP:FiM interact with and are influenced by their fans. Perhaps it's because they never expected the brony demographic and were thusly caught off-guard by it, the shows creators have frequently nodded and acknowledged the brony fandom, with content in the show directly aimed at them, letting it be known that the content creators do listen to what they have to say and that it does play into the writing of the show (there's no more evident an example of this than the character Derpy Hooves). Not only that, but the leniency of the show towards the remix culture of bronies (who take the show's content and make it their own through remixing, addition of music, artwork, writing, merchandise, etc...) is almost unheard of in comparison to other fandoms. It's a fandom in which everyone can contribute content in their own way, and which feels very customize-able to ones own interests, however idiosyncratic they may be. More than anything else, it's a participatory culture: one does not just watch the show and move on. Bronies buy the merchandise, attend conventions, post in forums, draw, create content, debate and defend... it's a very active and involved fandom in comparison to many other more passive fandoms. As a result, it's an exceedingly engaging fandom to be a part of, especially when viewed in conjunction with the above two reasons (it's an engaging activity collectively participated in, and one done in self-righteous spite of the stigmatization and disapproval of broader society).
These three reasons, of course, do not fully explain the complexity of brony involvement, but I feel like, at very least, they represent a start when it comes to understanding the motivation underlying many bronies' interest and participation in the fandom. These are likely not the reasons most bronies would give for belonging to the fandom, but I feel that they are reasons which, if bronies were self-critical and reflective, they would acknowledge are likely underlying reasons for what drives them in the fandom, and that they probably resonate as being more true than some of the other reasons given which, on the surface, seem like clean, rational, reasonable explanations (but which are ultimately incorrect and likely post-hoc rationalizations for participation).
I'm definitely interested in feedback on the subject, from bronies and non-bronies! Feel free to comment below and post your own experience or thoughts on this: did I get it totally wrong? Am I missing something? Do you agree?
So, what this is about: In a nutshell, I have heard a lot of people, brony and non-brony alike, asking about (or claiming to know) the "reason" for bronies. Essentially, they want to know (or to claim to know) why it is bronies are bronies. This wouldn't bother me so much if it weren't for the fact that almost invariably, the answers given are either demonstrably wrong, painfully simple, or based on ignorant assumptions or generalizations about bronies. Sadly, I hear just as many of these coming from both bronies and non-bronies.
I'll start this with a quick statement about human psychology that is both empirically demonstrable and largely uncontested by psychologists after decades of study: we, as a species, are often unaware of the reasons we do the things we do. We like to THINK we know the reasons why we do the things we do: we think we know why we purchased a particular brand of pop, or went into the field of study that we did, or chose the friends we did. We're supremely confident that we know the reasons why we listen to the music that we do, like the movies we do, and have the hobbies that we do. However, the reality is this: our attitude towards something is just as often determined AFTER THE FACT. What does this mean? It means that, very often, we do something without knowing WHY we do it, and only come up with a reason for it AFTERWARD.
Now, this isn't necessarily a problem... unless you genuinely want to know the reasons why you did something. Have you ever talked to a 4 year old? They can be the most honest people on the planet. Why? When I 4 year old does something, and you say "why did you do that?", what will they often say? "I don't know". We press them for an answer, demand that they GIVE us an answer. Why? Because we have this belief that we ought to know WHY we do the things we do. The four year old has no idea why they did it - in much the same way that we typically don't know why we do the things we do. So, what does the four year old do? They come up with a "good enough" explanation for their behavior. "Why are you playing with that toy truck?" The actual answer might be something really mundane and kind of stupid: because it was the most attention-catching thing in front of them at the moment. What they actually say: "because I like trucks". It's an answer that makes sense, an answer that seems to explain their behaviour.
We never grow out of this and, in fact, we do this EVEN MORE when we become adults. Try it next time you see a friend do some piece of mundane behaviour: ask them why they did it. Why did they grab the blue pen instead of the black pen? Why did they choose Coke instead of Pepsi? Why did they park in this parking spot instead of that one? Why did they choose that shirt over the other one in their closet? They will almost invariably give you SOME reason for it. Why? Because it's threatening to people to realize that we often make decisions for really dumb/ unknown reasons.
Which brings me back to bronies. Why do people self-identify as bronies, and why did I precede this topic by ranting about people not knowing the reasons why they do the things they do?
I want to make the argument that bronies may be bronies for other reasons than the ones they claim. I'm not saying it's deception, or even something they're aware of. But it IS a good question when people look at a grown male watching a show intended for a VERY different demographic, to say "hey, why are you doing that?" And a good question about some strange behaviour necessitates a reasonable-sounding answer. And my argument is that many bronies aren't aware of the real reasons they watch the show. And so they come up with some good-sounding answers which seem reasonable enough until you start to investigate them and realize they're insufficient to explain the behaviour.
What are some of the commonly given "reasons" given to explain why someone is a Brony? I'll list some below (created either by bronies or by non-bronies), and comment a bit on why they are insufficient explanations (and most likely to be after-the-fact explanations):
1) "Breaking down conventional gender stereotypes" --> This sounds like a GREAT idea, and I don't deny that the act of being a brony does indeed challenge existing notions about what boys and girls "ought" to do. That said, I hardly think it the case that bronies identify as bronies simply to challenge existing gender stereotypes. Were that the case, they would be just as open to the notion of watching "Littlest Pet Shop", playing with Polly Pockets, braiding their hair, and other "stereotypically female behaviour". I don't disagree that challenging conventional gender stereotypes is a pleasant side effect of the brony movement, but I don't believe this is what motivates the vast majority of bronies to watch the show and identify as a brony.
2) "Friendship, love and tolerance" --> Like #1, I agree that this is a very pleasant side effect to come about from the brony movement. The show does have a very positive and pro-social message of tolerance and friendship. That said, Sesame Street and Mr. Roger's Neighborhood espouse the exact same values, and last I checked there wasn't a stampede of twenty-something males crowding around to watch the newest episode of Sesame Street. However, when pressed to give an explanation as to why they like the show so much and identify as a brony, many bronies feel obligated to give SOME kind of answer that makes sense, and saying "because it has a positive message" sounds good and feels good. It may even promote these virtues. But I don't feel that's the actual motivation behind participation in this fandom.
3) "It's a high-quality show with great animation/voice-acting" --> One of the most popular explanations is that the show is a high quality show. This is because, yes, it is: the animation is superb, the voice acting is excellent, and the writing itself is reminiscent of many fantastic cartoons from our childhood (e.g. Dexter's Laboratory, Powerpuff Girls, etc...) These are great reasons to like the show, I agree. But this ignores two important facts: there are OTHER shows out there with fantastic animation/great writing, and this explanation would, at best, explain only why people like the show, NOT why they self-identify as a brony and engage in brony culture. For example: the show "Breaking Bad" is an exceptionally popular one, and for good reason: fantastic writing, gripping plot... there are a LOT of Breaking Bad fans out there. That said, there are very few people who would actually define themselves by their love for Breaking Bad. There is no term for a Breaking Bad fan that is analogous to "brony". So, while the quality of the show is indeed one draw for fans of the show, and it's a REALLY great way to justify your loving of the show in what seems like a perfectly rational way, I still feel this is an incorrect, or at very least insufficient reason to explain the brony phenomenon.
4) "These are damaged / socially awkward / people who are regression to their childhood" --> No, and for so many reasons. Our research has empirically demonstrated that this answer is incorrect, primarily because self-identified bronies do not show up as being lower on any metric of well-being that we've assessed. They are just as happy, well-adjusted, and in just as many relationships as the rest of us. Are there strange/socially awkward bronies? Of course there are... just like there are strange and socially awkward non-bronies. The only difference is that we notice the socially awkward brony more because they're doing it while dressed up in a Twilight Sparkle outfit (whereas you may simply ignore and subsequently forget the socially awkward person sitting next to you on the bus, dismissing them as just another crazy).
So, if I don't think any of the above are the reasons why bronies are bronies, what ARE the reasons? While I fully acknowledge that the reasons are plentiful (there is no simple explanation for behaviour, let alone behaviour as complicated as fan membership), I will limit my explanation to what I think are three of the main reasons.
1) Membership in an "embattled minority" community. An "embattled minority" is a group of people who are outgunned, outnumbered, and ultimately represent the "little guy". We like embattled minorities. We write stories about them. We call them heroes (e.g. Rocky vs. Ivan Drago in "Rocky 3", The Spartans in "300", Bruce Willis in "Die Hard", etc...) We tend to frame our social identities in this manner as well, choosing to see ourselves as embattled minorities, whether it's fighting against "society in general" or against "the normals/mundanes", or "the man". Why? Because it makes us feel like heroes - we root for the underdog. Not only does it tell a better story, but it speaks to the righteousness of their position. If a person is outmanned and out-gunned, you naturally have to ask the question: "well then why the hell doesn't he just give up?". The reason: he must be right, he must be standing up for something virtuous and worthwhile. Where do bronies fit into all of this? Well, brony culture is the perfect example of an embattled minority. Bronies take flak from all sides: from popular media, from the internet, from their co-workers and family members. I can almost guarantee that if bronies were alone in this (e.g. you were the only 25-year old male fan of MLP:FiM), they certainly wouldn't self-identify as a brony or make it public knowledge that they were fans of the show (in the same way they would keep it a secret that they watched Sesame Street, for example). BUT: because there are enough of them out there to form this "embattled minority" group, bronies, as a group, can band together. It's validating to know that you're not the only one. And the combination of knowing a) you're not the only one, and b) you're going up against a vastly larger and seemingly more cruel/mean enemy, has the effect of making you feel virtuous, righteous, and ultimately right in your cause. Think about it: many bronies (myself included) LOVE wearing MLP swag: t-shirts, buttons, keychains... anything we can to display our identity as bronies. Why? Because it inevitably gets a response: people roll their eyes and say "oh God, you're one of them", or they want some kind of explanation. When you get negative attention, it only reinforces your membership: you feel even more justified in being a member of the group because the rest of the world, the majority, looks like a bunch of judgmental jerks. It's pretty easy to take the high ground when this is the way the world around you looks!
In short, being a brony infuses an otherwise plain and boring life with this exciting embattled minority narrative: you feel a sense of purpose, a sense of righteousness, and a sense of belonging to a noble cause. The same phenomenon has been demonstrated with religious movements and social movements. And, as I'm hoping many bronies will attest, the negative attention or flak that you get from non-bronies does come with a sense of empowerment, doesn't it? The fact that people disapprove of it, in some way, only makes you want to do it more, doesn't it?
2) A sense of group identity: Similar to the above reason, being a brony is similar to being in a fraternity or a secret society. For one thing, there's an elitism established with regard to knowledge: bronies know information, facts, and details that non-bronies do not. They get to use words and make references that go over the heads of those "not in the know" (which can feel empowering). They get to talk about things that others don't know (talking about the most recent episode, or a rumor floating around about the show). There's also a "hazing" or "initiation" process, just like in many fraternities or secret societies. Membership isn't necessarily free. In the same way that there are hazing rituals to get into fraternities, let's face it: to become a brony you first have to take that plunge and sit down and watch a show that was intended for 8 year old girls. It's not a prospect that most go into willingly: most bronies will readily admit that they were hesitant at first: they resisted, they fought it, they rolled their eyes or expected it to be horrible. Ultimately, they did something they felt was undesirable, and wound up in the club for it. And, in the same way that we justify our efforts after-the-fact when it comes to hazing and fraternities, many bronies do the same thing: why did I agree to watch a show that I was so against the idea of watching in the first place? Well, it must be because it's actually a great show! It must be because bronies are actually a really cool and worthwhile group? And, well, bronies do feel like a secret society because, let's face it, the vast majority of the world around you is not a brony. But when one brony sees another brony wearing a t-shirt or other bit of swag, there's that moment of recognition followed by a huge grin. You both know what's going on. You've made an instant connection, an instant friend - you instantly have something to talk about. It can feel great to belong to a group far bigger than oneself, and to feel a sense of community tempered and strengthened by the fact that you've been stigmatized by the rest of society. For many bronies, this is one of the biggest draws to the community. This is even reflected in the expression "join the herd", reflecting the importance of the social or group mentality to the identity of bronies.
3) A unique relationship between content creators and fans. In a way seemingly unlike most other fandoms, the staff of MLP:FiM interact with and are influenced by their fans. Perhaps it's because they never expected the brony demographic and were thusly caught off-guard by it, the shows creators have frequently nodded and acknowledged the brony fandom, with content in the show directly aimed at them, letting it be known that the content creators do listen to what they have to say and that it does play into the writing of the show (there's no more evident an example of this than the character Derpy Hooves). Not only that, but the leniency of the show towards the remix culture of bronies (who take the show's content and make it their own through remixing, addition of music, artwork, writing, merchandise, etc...) is almost unheard of in comparison to other fandoms. It's a fandom in which everyone can contribute content in their own way, and which feels very customize-able to ones own interests, however idiosyncratic they may be. More than anything else, it's a participatory culture: one does not just watch the show and move on. Bronies buy the merchandise, attend conventions, post in forums, draw, create content, debate and defend... it's a very active and involved fandom in comparison to many other more passive fandoms. As a result, it's an exceedingly engaging fandom to be a part of, especially when viewed in conjunction with the above two reasons (it's an engaging activity collectively participated in, and one done in self-righteous spite of the stigmatization and disapproval of broader society).
These three reasons, of course, do not fully explain the complexity of brony involvement, but I feel like, at very least, they represent a start when it comes to understanding the motivation underlying many bronies' interest and participation in the fandom. These are likely not the reasons most bronies would give for belonging to the fandom, but I feel that they are reasons which, if bronies were self-critical and reflective, they would acknowledge are likely underlying reasons for what drives them in the fandom, and that they probably resonate as being more true than some of the other reasons given which, on the surface, seem like clean, rational, reasonable explanations (but which are ultimately incorrect and likely post-hoc rationalizations for participation).
I'm definitely interested in feedback on the subject, from bronies and non-bronies! Feel free to comment below and post your own experience or thoughts on this: did I get it totally wrong? Am I missing something? Do you agree?
I get angry.
The BEST animated show? Time out. What about the original looney tunes, tom and jerry, scooby doo, tiny toons, animaniacs, freakazoid, batman the animated series.. believe me I can go on and on.. And yet you think this is the best show ?
I will recap the whole thing when I was playing an online game called gotham city impostors and this kid had a tag of Derpyhooves [Bronys] and he thought he was the shit and was going on about the show. When I scored two kills against him I said "Death to the bronys!" And he was like why do you hate on this show .. and my response?
Why are you an older male that has fallen in love with a show that was meant for girls?
He disconnected after that. He didn't have a comeback.
So you like this? That's fine. But I swear to christ the next time someone gets in my face about this in public they might get something else... a fist in their face!
I myself have quite a few brony and "pegasister" friends, and thankfully the ones I am friends with are apparently the only "sane" ones in the world, who don't try to shove it in your face. I laugh at their petty arguments and weird conversations, however I do not have any interest in a show for little girls. I don't criticize them for liking it (hell, I'm a furry), but a lot of bronys do go overboard with it. I even joke about it alot, and even have a "plan" to "kill all the bronies" (its just a joke, don't all you pony peeps get mad).
While I agree that it can be annoying to have members of ANY subculture come up to you and try to push you into it, recognize that it's likely not done with malicious intent. This is something that interests them, and something that, for many, is a source of a lot of positivity in their lives. It's only natural that they'd want to share it with those around them. Recognize that this is CERTAINLY not unique to bronies (see: people who try to impose their religious beliefs on others).
I'll also point out, based on what I said above, that getting angry about bronies doing this will likely only have the opposite effect: instead of dissuading them from being so vehement/ passionate about their interest, being hostile or angry toward them may actually reinforce the unwanted behaviour.
But note that while some bronies are quite enthusiastic about trying to convince others to "join the herd", this is certainly not the case with all bronies =) Hopefully it's enough to politely acknowledge that you respect their enthusiasm for the show and you're supportive of brony culture, but that the show is simply not your thing. If they persist, then they're being pretty unreasonable and probably aren't listening to you anyway (thusly, aren't worth your time).
Though, I think, part of what started the group mentality/being part of a bigger whole, was people goin "oh it's a kid's show, adults shouldn't be watching it" etc... and then when adults found themselves liking it a lot, and they secretly found out that others did, it would have started the more public "we all like this, and we're not ashamed of it" etc, to the point where it is now, and people have of course later determined that mlp is rampant with adult themes (obv not sex), and that it's really not a kids show.
At any rate, is this why i don't have any new words to combat? :(
i need sleep...
In the first section, when you're listing why people self-identify as bronies and their reasoning behind it, the only thing I could really think about was Digimon. I was a huge Digimon fan as a kid, and I still like it now, to an extent. When I found out a new season came out in 2010, I decided to get back into it. Naturally I was embarrassed at first, but after digging through numerous forums and whatnot, it turned out that I was actually too young to be a typical Digimon fan. The average fan was someone who has been watching it since season 1, either in Japan, or from the English release. Therefore, they were roughly 22-25 years old by this time. My childhood started with The end of season 2 and the start of season 3, so I was significantly younger.
This brings me back to what you were talking about. There were many arguments about the voice acting and the quality/meaning behind the show. There were even several threads about what to say when challenged as a Digimon fan. The main conclusion was that it was something that was a large part of their childhood - something they enjoyed greatly and could relate to in someway, either by dreaming that they could do that, or simply because the magical fantasy elements appealed to them more than anything else. No one can truly define why they like something. It just appeals to them in some way.
The entire second section basically reminded me of, well, us. Furries fit every definition you put up there. While we don't have out own show and producers, we run this thing ourselves so I suppose that counts. We are a minority group who are hated by the media, we instantly make friends with people just because they are furry, even if we wouldn't normally get along, and we certainly home onto those who are wearing accessories such as tails/ears/etc.
Overall I completely agree with what you said. While it does irk me that I see people on facebook who not only change their proflie picture, but name and gender as well to match MLP things, I have to understand that furries do the exact same thing. It's all a matter of preference.
One thing I'd love to know more about: Brony vs. Pegasister for female fans, I hear the term a lot & wonder at it, do female fans class themselves as the term Borny as it's the original term applied regardless of gender or are females more likely to have an outcry & say they are a 'Pegasister'?
I think Bronies are cool, there's nothing wrong with maintaining a link or a part of childhood within ourselves, not to the point of detriment of course which would mean a person is not able to function as a 'normal' (not defining normal as everyone's normal is different) & functioning part of society.
I still have many toys from when I was young (I was more into Keypers & Thomas the Tank Engine ) so again I see nothing wrong with people having their interests carry through to adulthood.
I feel that without that link to childhood, people loose touch with themselves, because it is within our earliest years that we essentially begin to form ourselves & what we identify with in regards to toys/programmes on the TV often has a very strong influence on who we are.
I don't have data on the subject of Brony/Pegasister per se, but just speaking from anecdotes, namely my use of the two terms at conventions/ during talks: very few folks I've met actually use the term "pegasister". I put it on a slide during one of my talks, and got a lot of groans from the crowd, and a few females who said the term was silly. So it's still up in the air about whether or not the term is proper, I suppose.
i do agree with the above poster about the militant ones although i believe the same can be said about some furries, i do play online games with furs and whatnot and most the time we (myself included) use our fur names as our tags but i dont believe that it is right to force our opinions on others, like if someone says i dont understand or want any part of being a furry i just drop it and we find something else game related to talk about its not right to say "you have to try being a furry its the best thing ever" which only comes out sounding like "join my cult or else" imo but thats just me
And indeed, I agree that it can be a bit annoying to meet folks who are eager to "recruit" for their fandom, but it becomes more palatable if you're polite and you engage them in their enthusiasm (e.g. "it's great that this means so much to you, and I think it's wonderful you have that kind of enthusiasm! It's not really my thing, but I appreciate your suggestion, and who knows, maybe I'll have a look for myself!")
And it is true that we do things and really don't know the reason behind it. Hell, I still say "I don't know", when I do something irrational.
They will be held for their actions accordingly and are always asked why they did it. Most often when watching this in the news, I noticed they never answered. Probably because of your theory. They just simply didn't know why.
BUT society doesn't care if you know or not. Either way, you're charged.
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But Bronies are getting the same kind of media curiosity, the same kind of questions, and sadly the same kind of negative reaction and ridicule Furries got when the mainstream media started writing stories about them in the late 1990's. Their fandom is going through the same growing pains the Furry fandom did.
And if the media finds that one messed-up Brony who brags about jerking off to FIM porn or doing it with the real thing, you'll see the same kind of outrage hit their fandom the same way Furries freaked out after reading the Vanity Fare article or watching CSI.
And if it wasn't for the Anime and Furry fandoms, I doubt the Brony fandom would have grown that fast. Our fandoms gave them a template of what they should do, from websites to conventions in less than a year.
Good read. I've seen a few eps of the show, as I have some friends that are bronies, but I don't self-identify as one.
Lastly I wish our fandom was a lot more friendlier to Bronies online and at conventions. We need to take their message of "Friendship, love and tolerance" a lot more seriously.
The reason why is what could happen to the Brony fandom when the show is eventually cancelled in a few years? Or if the show starts running out of good ideas? Or worse, if Hasbro or the Hub decides to save money and cut corners on animation and writing and dumb down FIM to appeal to kids to sell toys too?
I know a lot of Furries who were in the Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, Gargoyles and the Road Rovers fandoms who discovered Furry after their shows were canceled and their fandoms grew stale.
Many Bronies believe the same negative stereotypes about Furries as Anime fans do, and being angry, intolerant or ridiculing them isn't helping to change that.
The truly funny part is that, for bronies in our samples, they were actually furries first! And, more to the point, they tended to identify themselves as furry for LONGER than non-brony furries! So, it's not the case that "bronies have invaded my fandom and are injecting it with all this pony crap", but it's more correct to say "many furries have decided that MLP is the next big fad in the fandom."
And I agree that, for non-furry bronies, this is likely a possible "gateway" into the broader furry fandom =)
The Brony fandom is an interesting mix. You have the personalization of the Furry fandom with customized ponies (Brosonas(??) websites, and conventions, and that feeling you are a part of a special group. But you have the strong loyalty of anime fans where everything is being influenced by one show.
This is the first time I've seen anime fans and furries really working together And that could be a good thing for bridging the wide gap between the two fandoms in the future.
So, after a bit, I finally did start watching it. And yes, I do like it. However any time I ever say that I Like the show, I'm called a broney. And That annoys me to no end. I'm NOT a guy! Soo they call me a Pegisister...That annoys me too. Why? Because I like the show ok enough, But I'm more of a "fangirl" over Adventure Time...but I'm not being called any name for That.
So why must anyone be Labled for liking something? more to the point why must a label be Forced on to someone else for liking something? That is what irks me about the broney thing. Be one, Show your pride, I'm all for that...
But like with everything else? Don't be shoving stuff and labels at me. ^_^
Labels aren't a bad thing! Hating labels for the sake of hating labels is silly! Labels are a VERY useful shorthand that help us in thousands of different activities in day-to-day life (for example, it's because we label a sign as a "stop sign" and not "this particular stop sign" that we know to stop at it, rather than wondering if this stop sign is different somehow from all the other stop signs out there and should thus be given special accommodations and considerations). Labels can be remarkably useful... the problem is when they're OVER-applied! Saying someone is a furry is a very useful shorthand, which helps me make several assumptions about who you are and the sorts of things you may like. The problem is if, after applying the label and getting to know you, I don't move beyond the label and see you as an individual =)
it's a really well done summary on bronies.^^
Here's something I think goes along great with this:
http://www.academia.edu/491940/The_....._Online_Spaces
It's the age old 'shared ideology' thing humans have been doing since they showed up on the planet. I think it also has a lot to do with the fact that western culture is causing many different people from many different ethnic backgrounds to lose sight of their original cultures, especially as far as people who spend a lot of time socializing on the internet go.
I think we're seeing the effect pop culture and the internet is having on people who have grown up being exposed to both. I'm not saying it's a bad thing but people need to be really careful. Corporations are learning how to exploit these kinds of behaviors. Companies like Valve hire behavioral psychologists just to figure out how to take advantage of stuff like this. It's nothing new, it's just that the internet makes it so much easier to reach a lot more people at a lot less cost.
I think Hasbro is being incredibly manipulative, by the way. I think the show creators and artists have their hearts in the right place but people in the fandom need to be careful just how much of their creativity and ideas they let Hasbro get away with trademarking.
*nods* I agree that there's a fine line that needs to be walked between creating something genuinely likable and exploiting people's liking. On the one hand, you could say "good for them for selling merchandise to folks who want to express their liking of this show" (and very likely if Hasbro hadn't licensed this stuff and sold it, fans would be making their own shirts anyway). On the other hand, you could argue that they're creating a need where there wasn't one before, and shame on them for that. It gets into a lot of sticky ethics issues that, frankly, I'm not even sure where I stand on (being torn between the libertarian in me and the psychologist in me who recognizes some of the faulty premises of libertarian thinking).
Taking into account your astute observation of people making up reasons for why they like things after the fact, or not having any reason in reality, I generally do not associate with the MLP fandom. It is very nice to get to talk to people that like the show, as well as see the art and various things that they've made for the show, I generally do not like the fandom. I don't call myself a brony, don't call myself a pegasister or any of the terms that have been created to define those who have an affinity for those ponies. c:
I've made merchandise for the show, as you saw when you bought those buttons of mine. I would wear a Twilight Sparkle t shirt in the same fashion that I wear my Captain America t shirt. I think I own and use these items because I simply like them and the characters being referenced on said item rather than wanting to get a reaction from others or wanting others to know my likes.
My question is: what of the people who don't associate with the fandom, but instead, make active attempts to separate themselves from it and enjoy the show on its own?
I find the mentality that has been displayed with a number of fans, some friends of mine included, rude and perhaps achieving the opposite of what was intended. An example is when I was talking to a friend of mine a little while back, and neither of us knew we liked MLP, he asked me what I thought of the show. He said was glad I was "already one of the herd" and that he didn't have to make me into a fan. I was really unnerved by this. What if I didn't like the show or was just indifferent to it? With how he was talking, he most likely would've hounded me until I finally gave in and watched it, regardless of asking him to stop or leave me alone.
I like the show because the art style is fantastic and clean, the characters are interesting and feel real, and the lessons and morals presented seem to actually make a difference in-world. Everyone grows from what is learned, and nothing is thrown aside.
I hope that this hasn't been completely pointless, and that what I'm trying to say is understood. I definitely agree with the examples you've given and reasons shown, and am trying to add to it with my own experience.
On a side note, I do feel like my reasoning is generally the same for being part of the furry fandom. :3
I agree with what you say about yourself feeling different, and I've mentioned this a bit in my comments above: there's a distinction to be made between "liking the show" and "identifying as a brony". For example: I love "The Simpsons" (to the point of spending over $700 to date to own the first 14 seasons on DVD), grew up with them, and I definitely would identify myself, in part, as a Simpsons fan. That said, I also love the show Firefly, and yet, I don't feel personally compelled to identify myself by my love of the show (I wouldn't say it's a defining feature of who I, as a person, am). This is a HUGE distinction to make, and it's a distinction that can only be made by you, not by anyone else on your behalf =) I think the stuff I'm speaking about in the article is referring specifically to bronies, not necessarily to folks who like the show but don't necessarily identify themselves as bronies for whatever reason (and they have their own reasons!) There are PLENTY of reasons to like the show on its own merit (I even mentioned some of them: good animation, good writing, nostalgic feel, etc...), and frankly you can like it for whatever reason floats your boat =) No one can tell you whether or not you have "valid" reasons for watching it or not. And no one can say, except for you, whether or not you ought to be identifying yourself as a brony (in the same way that a person can draw furry art, go to furry cons, hang out with furries, have a fursona, but still decide that "furry" is not a label that they see as being a part of their self-concept).
I was going to make a comment about how I get the impression that bronies want to give a unique reason as to why they choose to identify as a part of the phenomenon surrounding this show, as opposed to any other. (Clearly this is a general trait not limited to bronies.) But then I realized that those reasons you put forward, combined, actually do form a fairly unique set of criteria above other shows. I don't know if there are many others that possess all of those simultaneously. Is that in itself sufficient to explain the uniqueness of this fandom? (I dunno, I could be blabbering rubbish. It's been a long day. XD)
Both callers tried to defend their brony-ness to the hosts (which is faulty in and of itself - it's a matter of aesthetic and self-identification, and thus not something that needs to be defended in the first place - it makes about as much sense as asking you to defend your love of apple pie or the color blue). And they relied on many of the same explanations I provided above: these higher-level, "sounds good, reasonable, and noble" reasons which, when you get down to it, are unlikely candidates for the real reason for participation. And then, after the callers hung up, the hosts tried to explain, to the listening audience, what bronies were and why they did the things they did, again, relying on different (but similarly faulty) explanations. And I've seen this happen a lot - there are plenty of YouTube videos and news pieces from people trying to "explain" this phenomenon, and just as many bronies all-too-happy to give reasons for why they are bronies.
I agree with you: it's unsatisfying to a person's need for distinctiveness (to feel they stand out) to say "well, your reasons for participating in X are the same as person Y's reasons for participating in Z", because by suggesting that they serve the same underlying psychological needs, it sounds as if you're trivializing it (e.g. "if I'm not a brony because of the show's amazing content, then why AM I? Just because of some stupid need to belong to a group of like-minded individuals?") It's threatening to a person to feel that they can be reduced to a set of similar needs, and challenges the need to feel unique (and to feel a sense of self-determination).
K Fox (I have replaced 'I don't know' as an answer with 'no particular reason'. It's more fun because it's tends to confuse people who aren't paying attention...)
Your insight on the subject is quite enlightening. I feel like I really learned something.
This study seems to apply to life more than bronies though.
Was that the idea? Either way you nailed it.
Now I understand bronies much better ^.^
Hmm, I had intended it to be about bronies, but as you mention, it applies to a great deal of things in life (and indeed, psychologists do study these as general psychological mechanisms!)
I like the show, why exactly, I'm not sure, but it's fun and makes me laugh. Anything else beyond that is just a bonus IMO.
Thanks for the interesting article!
I immediately started generalizing; for example, I enjoyed surfing when I lived on the Pacific coast, but had no interest in surfer culture or groups - I preferred to surf alone. I enjoyed surfing but wasn't a surfer.
I enjoy target shooting, but you'll find me alone way out in the boonies, not at a shooting match. Although I shoot at targets, I'm not a member of the culture of target shooting.
I've often wondered why some people strongly identify with Native Americans, even to the point of vehemently insisting that they actually are one, although their parent's culture, genetics, and their childhood experience had no such connection. Bingo. You brony explanation fits very well.
Do you have any quantitative data? (Dumb question!) What percentage of the American population are bronies? Age distribution? How many verbal or written contacts does the average brony have with other bronies per week? What percentage of written communications of bronies are to other bronies? Is this statistical communications pattern similar to furry/furry interactions?
My written communications are certainly vastly overweighted to and from other furrys.
Sadly, we don't have a lot of quantitative data on this particular topic. Our Brony work is only very recent, and it's questionable whether or not we'll get to do a lot more of it with furries, mostly because trying to study bronies within the furry fandom is rather inefficient: only about 25% of furries are bronies (and there are a LOT of bronies who are not furries). As such, we're only really able to get a subset of the entire brony fandom, and are only able to do so by asking in a way that also asks/annoys a lot of non-brony furries (who are understanding of our purposes, but who don't necessarily like having to skip over a bunch of questions on a survey that don't pertain to them). There is a group of researchers out there who are studying the Brony fandom in the same way our team is studying the furry fandom. Unfortunately, I think they only did a set of three studies and then stopped; I'm not sure if they're planning on doing any more =/
Slightly related. It's about why adults love Adventure Time. I think some of his points apply to MLP Gen4 fans, even though he says that adults love MLP for entirely different reasons.
In 1995 I became a huge fan of The Lion King. I'm not sure I ever fully understood why. But I'm virtually certain the interest would have lasted only a month or two if I hadn't gone online, discovered there were other fans like me, and started interacting with them; the online friends I made and the fun we had discussing and dissecting the movie kept me active in that fan community for about three years. (This was in the days when online communities consisted of mailing lists, usenet, and getting pics/fanfics using ftp.)
I would first preface by saying that I don't disagree with you at all, but I think their is more going on.
Also, your explanation does not explain what I call "Brony Zero", or the first brony. In Epidemiology,
the first patient to get a disease new to the human population is called "patient zero", but I'm getting
ahead of myself!
Humans are fish, and like fish they go after things that get their
attention on a very instinctual, non-intellectual level. Advertisers
know this and use this knowledge to exploit viewers into buying their
products. Just like fish, we go after bates and lures; what could be
more shallow and stupid then going after something because its shiny,
because it wiggles, because it smells good, or because it is already
something we are conditioned to like through extant positive
associations?
This is the initial attraction we feel toward something we like, much
as how a fish is attracted to a worm or a spinning piece of metal.
But with both advertising, fishing and even social groups centered
around something, their is a barbed hook that keeps you from leaving
what got you interested in the first place. Recalling from an old The
Simpsons episode, I recall Bart saying, while riding in first class on
a jet liner, "I come for the service, but I stay for the leg room."
In your explanation, I think that the social needs that fandoms
fulfill are the barbed hook, but not the bate or the "shiny thing"
that engenders the initial attraction. Of all the social groups
(religions, fraternities, clubs, fandoms, etc.), why would anybody
choose the brony fan culture in particular over the others. Just as
important a question, why not other fandoms instead?
I think it simply comes down to people getting interested in something
because their friends are interested in something. Our social
contacts are our greatest influences, after all. For a TV show, it
maybe that people initially watch a program just to see "what all the
fuss is about". This would be your "shallow and stupid" explanation.
This actually makes sense in keeping with your "fraternity hazing"
analogy.
It is only after seeing "what the fuss is all about" that bronies get
hooked by the fan culture (and all the attributes you mentioned), which
they likely have already been exposed to if they are taking first
interest in the show.
Because MLP:FIM is not the sort of show any adult would see on their
own and, in fact, would be actively repulsed to see (probably due to
social conditioning and stigma), the only good explanation for why
people watch MLP:FIM and why it has a fan following is because people
have friends who are into it, too. In this sense, the Brony Fandom is
something that many haters aptly describe as something that "spreads
like a virus". The Brony Fandom is a highly communicable memeplex.
This is a bit different from the typical furry story I hear about
where the furry fandom is something one "stumbles upon" on the
Internet, after having already developed a predilection for
anthropomorphic things in childhood.
Now, this is all well and good for explaining the spread of the Brony
Fandom, but it doesn't fully explain it's origins. I can't help but
ask who was "Brony Zero". Who was the first Brony who started
spreading interest in the show, creating converts that would develop
the fan culture? Why did that person start watching MLP:FIM when he
or she did not have a fandom or friends to inspire them to watch it in
the first place?
The social explanations for the existence of Brony Zero are
non-existent, so their must be other reasons why people become Bronies
besides the hook of fan culture and having friends who became fans.
Personally, I think adult men might start watching the show because
they actually like bright colors and smiling faces. And lets be
honest, MLP:FIM is only considered girly because Generations 1-3 were
uber girly. MLP:FIM has characters, sets and settings that aren't
about tea parties or two people wearing identical dresses at the
senior prom.
Instead, their are ancient monsters, deep and consistent characters,
business, personal lives. And the background is colorful without
being in or face with nothing but pink and pastel frills, lace and
ribbons. Ponyville actually looks like a believable town with a
balanced gender ratio. Not to say these are reasons that people
would be interested in MLP:FIM, but it at least explains why it isn't
repulsive to an adult male audience. But at the same time, I could
imagine somebody flipping through channels and finding that MLP:FIM
catches their eye just because of its eye candy, capturing an audience
like bate on a hook.
You mention two thoughts in here that are definitely worth mention!
a) You hit upon something I neglected to mention in my initial rant, but which I tried to mention a bit more in my comments: there is a need to distinguish between "Bronies" and "fans of MLP:FiM". One of the reasons it's important to make this distinction is because there ARE non-social reasons to watch the show. As you correctly point out, the show, while being aimed at little girls, DOES have its own merits and warrants watching in its own right (the aforementioned good animation, fantastic writing, great voice acting, etc...) The so-called "bait" as you've labelled it. It's easy to imagine people flipping through channels, having their eye caught by the show, and before they even realize what's happened, they've just watched an episode of MLP:FiM of their own accord (I think everyone's done this at one point or another - perhaps not with MLP, but with another show - you're flipping through the channels, and something you would NEVER think to watch comes on. It catches your eye, so you casually stare at it / take it in, and before long, the credits are running and you have a moment of "why did I just spend half an hour watching that?!" I think this explains quite well fans of MLP:FiM and possibly explains how some of them may have gotten into the show, liking it of its own merit. What I contend, however, is that this is insufficient to explain bronies and the decision to now identify with the show that I've taken a liking to.
b) Something I hadn't even considered, but am very interested in: Brony zero, this idea of trying to figure out and explain the first Brony. I don't actually know the origin of the Brony movement or who it started with. That said, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that person was either a furry or in a similarly stigmatized fandom. Why? Optimal distinctiveness theory states that we have a need to "stand out from the crowd" - just not too much. We like standing out. We have a need to stand out and feel unique. But we don't like to stand out SO much that all eyes are on us and we're getting really weird looks (this, of course, differs in degree from individual to individual). I can imagine a situation where a few hundred adult males have watched MLP:FiM by themselves (for reasons such as the one you stated above, for example), and now recognize that they are fans of this show. They likely kept it to themselves for a bit, because they weren't sure whether or not this was something they wanted to identify with (after all, if they were the ONLY adult male who called themselves out for liking the show, well, that may be standing out too much). So, one of two things had to happen - they had to somehow find a critical mass of others who liked the show - enough to make it "okay" to "come out" as a Brony (perhaps doing so anonymously through a message board for forum such as 4chan), or, perhaps more likely, they did it within a context where it was "safe" to do so - such as the furry fandom (where it's a bit harder to make fun of someone for liking a kid's show). Were I to guess, I'd say Brony zero came about in one of those two ways. And then, after discovering several like-minded others, it was suddenly empowering to realize you weren't the only one (in much the same way many new furries find it exhilarating to discover there are other furries), and likely leads to strong identification with this fandom (again, analogous to the way many furries, upon discovering the fandom, throw themselves into it full-force).
Just my two cents. Great comments! =)
Relating this model to furries, I can see a person being an an isolated fan of anthropomorphics or zoomophics (which I think is how most of us start out), and I can imagine a fan of anthropomorphics or zoomorphics who is also a denizen of the furry fandom, but I find it very hard to imagine a person who is a denizen of the furry fandom who is not also a fan of anthropomorphics. However, I could see someone who is both a denizen of the furry fandom and a fan of anthropomorphics or zoomorphics, but not a fan of any particular TV shows, movies or games that prominently feature anthromophorphic characters.
So, what do you think of my "fish hook" model? Is it a useful analogy?
b) Brony Fanculturalist have made the claim many times that their fandom was "forged in the fires of Mount 4chan". In deed, many of them have said that 4chan was the early home of the Brony Fandom before they were expelled by the 4chan admins who lost tolerance for all the "pony spam".
I recomend that you watch SaberSpark's presentation on Bronies that he made for his deviancy class if you want to learn more about the history of the Brony fandom. He tries to pull together the history of the show and his fandom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE7I_IDX98g
I need to share this video with Sharon since she's all about the deviancy studies.