I totally agree with you on this I know forrest as well and he is a good kid but just need s help which is hard to get. Stuff like this needs to just stop happening.

People don't realize that what they say online isn't JUST words...

these words can kill, and that makes them no better than a murderer

I want to spread this around because this shit has got to end

It does need to end being someone who has been in his shoes it can make you want to never be around again it's awful people think its ok to make others get to the point of not wanting to be around.

This is bullying and it kills

What the hell is up with that?

beats me but it pisses me the hell off

Just... wow...

yea...people that do that kind of thing...really just need to have karma come and smack them in the face

There is someone who recently passed for this exact reason, and I've see things like this happen before.
It ain't right, and yeah, people should be extremely ashamed of themselves.
But they won't be. They'll continue to do what they've been doing, possibly worse than ever before.
Until something comes along and rips their life apart. And they'll honestly wonder why.

I don't know what happened, but I hope everything goes well.
Should maybe look into this: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sto.....ullingprogram/

Well shit, im sorry to hear that is going on. I wish i could do something to help but i dunno what i can do

just trying to spread the word and everything is all

Who? >_>

what do you mean 'who?'

Who is this guy?

Yeah, I was wondering too...

I think it's a very legitimate question as well. You say it as if the whole fandom's been hassling him, but I have no idea who this kid is. I mean, that link you put is disturbing, but I have NO idea what's going on here.

as said to Larathen, it's a person I've known for years that has done some stupid shit he regrets horribly...

I've known him for a long time and people have harassed him time and time again, making friends drop him without realizing...this is a kid in trouble, that he needs help

and only the title has the effect you mentioned, it grabs attention as it is needed.

no matter how well or little a person is known, cyber-bullying is still bullying and it needs to be shared, and stopped...because this is the kind of stuff that makes a mentally unstable person want to kill themselves

Sorry, but Larathen's got a point. By bringing a particular individual to the attention of the fandom, you're risking him further being harassed over things that they might not even care about other than you bringing it to public attention. It just seems to me you could have done an anti-bullying journal without singling out your friends. >.>

I'm not singling him out by any means to make him a target

so far most of the people reading this journal and posting are seeing the point I'm getting across. There is no need to try and judge a person's actions based on what they might or might not have done in the past, and few of you are missing this point

it IS about anti-bullying and showing by example of the extent it can go to, if this kid did something to himself and really gets the result he spoke to me of

only a small number are really opposing the fact because it's a single person being targeted here and being shown prime examples of the kinds of bullying done on this site

making a broad anti-bullying post would have little to no effect and people would brush it off, by at least showing what is currently being done, people can see the vast effect it's having AND SEE how it is being done

Good job at dodging my question.

it's not my place to tell his story, so therefore I shan't do so

I'm saying if its realevent to him being bullied on the internet, it would help to make this more clear.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:30166137

Then describe him without the name! Do you really think that people on the chans won't see this, latch on and use it against him? Because if you do, trust me, you're wrong. The chans will use anything they can to hurt some people, because they're hooked on trolling.

I get what you're doing comes from a good place, but by singling him out by name, you're using a double-edged sword.

but also without using a name it wouldn't get nearly the results as it currently is.

I do see your point but I am not only doing this to try and victimize or single him out.

and I honestly can't say what he has done to avoid these issues now as it might jeopardize the new aliases he has taken on to find solace

it's just when something such as this is leaked to someone and clearly shows how much the person who originally created this...wanted to see him dead (by making his 'account' deceased)

when someone is on a thin wire, it's enough to just cut it under their feet

and yes...it is a double-edged sword...and I am strong enough to defend what I am standing up for, if they shall come to attack him, I'll shield it myself

take a second and look at forrest's profile...he's getting shouts of support despite not using it for FA purposes any more

don't you think if you were someone with such a frail state of mind...that you'd find that kind of support reassuring?

Yes, but that doesn't mean there wasn't some danger in the approach you took. And that still doesn't preclude mean notes or other non-visible methods of bullying.

Is this "stupid shit" relevant to him being harassed at all? For example, a man can regret that he raped a woman, but that doesn't make his actions forgivable. Sooo mind telling us the whole story?

The murderer? We don't know about that damn person.

someone with a messed up past that has been hounded by people and bullied to an extent

the fact that most the vast number of people in the fandom don't know him doesn't it make it any less of an issue

So why address it if NOBODY knows about it? It sort of kills the purpose of this journal :\

Hell this is just doing the opposite it and ATTRACTING and QUESTIONING what this person did.

Or you're just missing the entire point and making this seem far worse in a direction completely opposite of where it is going

it is NO one's right to judge a person's past, nor should it matter

what a person has done and is willing to move past...but still hounded and bullied to the point of wanting to kill themselves

that is what this journal gets across and it seems like you're one of the only ones thus far unable to see that

Dude, that's not the POINT. It's the INTERNET and you've just exposed a friend of yours to a BIGGER audience than he had been, which could just as easily get WORSE for him as better. It's not that Larathen doesn't see that, it's that you're expecting people to see reason when they just want to be trollish assholes.

Also, it was kinda easy to google up the whole old scenarios. Just sayin'.~*

And you want to victimize him instead? Cause thats what this journal is doing.

Larathen and Yamato...

You two... Chill the fuck out. Seriously. Was reading these comments and you guys are just running around in circles while someone is trying to do something decent for a friend of theirs and all your doing is questioning it. Seriously. Stop. So you don't know the guy. Nor do I. Doesn't mean you need to nitpick every little thing about the situation. Chill out. :| For serious. As for the whole "exposing" thing... Um, obviously you neglected that the link that doucher put out there with the fake profile, (You know, the one saying the kid is dead?) Yeah, that already had his name on it... So... Kind of a moot point to point out that he was once again "revealed". Obviously the kid found it something harsh enough that he went and deleted himself from his profile and the like, so even if you two don't know him, doesn't make him any less of a person.

Someone thought about it enough to bring up his problems again and made that fake profile, so, obviously it wasn't all forgotten was it? Taking away the name of a victim de-humanizes them. They just become a statistic after that. Like hearing it on the news? "Another random girl was raped and killed today...blah blah blah" just makes it seem like standard everyday events. Try this now, "Local teen, Justin Matthews, hung himself in his closet today due to bullying at school about his sexual orientation."... Adds a bit more depth doesn't it? Sheesh. :\

Also, not gonna argue further, so... >.> Don't bother please. Just thought it was silly to sit there bitching about his name being out there. It's not going to make it worse since whoever doesn't like him, -obviously- already has his name.

That DOESN'T mean it can't add to the people who want to give him crap, and if you really think something like this won't draw trolls too, then I think you're a bit naive...

I don't think that at all. And I'm definitely not naive by any stretch. I think in this day and age, names have power and help give support. If you want to take the names away from victims, they become a statistic as I said before. If they just become a statistic, then nothing will be done. Supporters identify more with those who have a name, rather than the nameless.

Sure, their -might- be the possibility of a troll or two, but obviously, they won't get too much out of it, will they? Nope. The point of Midnyte's journal here was to help rally support for a bullied individual who apparently is too afraid to share themselves. The victims in these cases are usually introverted and bottle it up till it's too late. You are then left with cases of Amanda Todd and others. Try to see the bigger picture. "Hiding" the situation might help with a few trolls, but in the end, does nothing to help protect the individual in the long run. If you've ever dealt with bullies or anything like that, you should know that a single voice of support can override the many voices that seek to hurt.

It only takes a single person to make a difference.

You think he Mydnyte couldn't show the support for the friend without the name given TO the friend? The "bigger picture" is his friend put him on the spot, drawing this attention to him. It might just as easily go bad as turn out better that way. Without showing his name, he could have had support without any threat of direct confrontation.

Moot point, it's out in public now. I just think there could have been better ways to handle this.

*Just shakes his head*

No.

That's all.

Have a good day.

Wow, you're really full of yourself. You're basically saying you're right and I'm wrong, and there's no validity to my points.

Have fun with your ego, dude. I don't care to waste my time on people that can't even concede the person they disagree with might have some vaild points.

Not even that. I just don't want to argue with you. This isn't the time or place for it.

It's not about right or wrong, which you seem to want to be right, with your comments about ego and conceding to you.

Having dealt with this kind of thing before in my own personal life, I -know- what worked, and what -did not-.

It has nothing to do with ego, or your suddenly trying to get personal with it by trying to analyze it to make yourself right. I'm not talking about egos or right or wrongs. You seem to be though.

I don't care who is "right" or "wrong" in this situation. You said your opinion, I said mine. That was the end of the conversation. But you decided to take it a step further by saying things like this:

"Wow, you're really full of yourself. You're basically saying you're right and I'm wrong, and there's no validity to my points. Have fun with your ego, dude. I don't care to waste my time on people that can't even concede the person they disagree with might have some vaild points."

Had absolutely nothing to do with anything on the topic. I told you to have a good day and you decided to get offensive. Why? People only do that when they've taken something personally. So... I think you should step back and take a breath. Because... Nothing I said had anything to do with ego. You wanted to argue your point because you wanted to be right about Forrest being anonymous. I did not want to argue. Therefore, I basically said enough. My "No" is me saying, "No, I am not doing this.".

If you want to call that ego, you should maybe look up it's definition in the dictionary.

Allow me to do so for you:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ego

That being said, not a single thing I said had anything to do with "myself" or those definitions.

In any case, as I wanted to do before something like -this- happened, was indeed,

Have a nice day.

(That's all. I do not wish to argue with you any further. Please take the hint.)

Yeah, you can end it by just not replying. Regardless, there IS a point to the fact that it could pull in trolls as well as well-wishers. But you won't even acknowledge that, because you're clearly closed minded on the potential threats here.

And why do I take it personally? You're talking like your way of thinking is the only right one. Whether or not that was how you meant to come off, it's how you came off to me. And I only have my own interpretations to go off of, so you'll have to forgive me that I can't get your meaning if it's something else.

Let me quote something from one of my previous comments to just stop you there.

"Sure, their -might- be the possibility of a troll or two, but obviously, they won't get too much out of it, will they? Nope. "
^

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^There*

I did in-fact state that there is the possibility of trolls popping up. I never said there wasn't... That kind of makes what you are picking at me about make no sense. Since I did agree with you on that, (And you are saying that I am implying there is no way trolls will come along). My agreeing with the chance of trolls and the like, also shows I am not close-minded or stating that my line of thought is the only correct one. So yet again, this you said here:

"You're talking like your way of thinking is the only right one."

Is incorrect.

Whatever point you are trying to make with saying I'm being egotistical, or only saying I am right, is not really getting through, apparently, since the points you are basing that line of thought off of, is incorrect.

So, I'll recap:

I never said that naming him was wholly good. I said it will do more good than leaving him nameless and just turning him in to a statistic.
I never said you were wrong at any point.
I never said that troll would not be an issue. I in fact agreed, they could be, but they won't get much out of it.

You are either not reading what I am saying carefully enough, or you're just wanting to be right so much that you missed a few things.

If it is neither of those things, my apologies.

But, again, I just showed you multiple instances thus far, proving that what you are accusing me of here, is incorrect.

I'm being mature, I'm not accusing you of being egotistical, or "wanting to be right", but the way you are coming at me about this is getting sort of... Out of hand. I just showed you enough to prove that, no, I never said you were wrong, I never disagreed with you about the troll stuff, and I wasn't being egotistical. So I'm sorry if you don't agree with what I have to say about Mydnyte naming him, I just simply stated I feel it will do more good than harm for him.

That is all.

If you said before now that you don't feel you were wholly right, then I missed that. That was all I was asking for. Thank you.

It's fine.

I never disagreed with you.

I do agree with you on the troll thing, but only to a point. Since I -feel- (Not saying it's fact) that naming a victim has usually better results than just letting them be a nameless statistic is all.

Troll will always troll. There's no stopping that. They troll even on good things, let alone bad things like this. At least, with the bad things, we can expect it and prepare for it emotionally as people, right?

Fair enough. I'm also willing to agree that giving his name does provide a better chance for people to give well wishes too. I'm just kind of jaded towards people and expect the worst out of them.

It's always down to the whole glass theory I guess. It's either half full or half empty. People will do what people do best. And that's be human. One of the wonders humans can do though, that I always have faith in, is rally to help another. Just as much as humans can seem to be dastardly and bad, there are just as many more always willing to reach out and help others.

That's where I place my faith in people. We should always. Especially in this day and age where a little bit goes a long way in a society of social apathy and hate. It really does only take one person to make a difference.

It's like... We all expect the bad, right, like you said? So when something good -does- happen, it -really- gets our attention. :)

I can believe in persons. People as a group suck though. Aside from people, I'm usually pretty optimistic. I just tend to expect to be let down by most of humanity. But people that get into group mentalities are always a bad thing. Eh. I just hope this kid'll be okay.

i was starting to worry you whould never see other peoples points you where starting to sound like a broken record all your replies where just the same stuff over and over again but i am glad you where able to see some of the points people are making it saves me having to lodge my boot up your ass with how pissed off your earlier comments where making me

Dude, shut the fuck up. Stop trying to come into this hours-old disagreement looking like an internet tough guy.

well sorry my time zone puts me outside what you call acceptable i paid you a compliment in that you had actually seen other peoples points and had ended the Dozen or so comment long argument on good terms so you know what next time i won't pay you a compliment oh as for the hours old yer you know what the world has 24 times zones for 24 hours i am so sorry my time zone pisses you off cuss its inconvient for you i will just write to my goverment and ask them to match it to yours so its easier for you

god you really are a total jerk you know your rude to people if they pay you a compliment and your rude because there from anouther area of the globe its not like it was a week later now was it

That wasn't a compliment, it was a back-handed insult. I don't care where you are, you tried to insinuate yourself in a resolved situation.

Using punctuation might be a good idea, so I can read what the hell is written.

considering that my dyslexic cousin can read this whats your excusse?

if i am going to insult you i won't do it back handed i will do it to your face with plain easy to understand as an insult wording i don't do this deceptive hidden insult crap if i say i was complimenting you that is what my intention was if i am going to insult you it whould have be VERY VERY obvious it was an insult as for my location its simple manners to allow 48 hours when you post on a PUBLIC comment thread for replies and other comments 1 day so all time zones get a chance to see and a nouther day for people who work and don't see it on the first day cuss you know internet is preety much global it dose mean you have to think in global terms not your small close minded local thinking oh just to clerify that was an insult see there is a very big diffrence maybe i should have added smiliy faces and laughing emotes and LoL to my compliment comment so you could tell the diffrence better and that was me being bitchy while insulting you see we are learning so much today

don't confuse my compliments for insults again trust me all this above is me being nice


and as for the 3 days before i replied i was busy i have a life its kinda more important than having to teach a child the diffrence between a compliment and an insult

"If I am going to insult you, I won't do it back handed, I will do it to your face with plain easy to understand. As an insult wording I don't do this deceptive hidden insult crap. If I say I was complimenting you that is what my intention was. If i am going to insult you it would have been VERY VERY obvious. It was an insult. As for my location it's simple manners to allow 48 hours when you post on a PUBLIC comment thread for replies and other comments. 1 day so all time zones get a chance to see, and another day for people who work and haven't seen it on the first day. Because you know the internet is pretty much global, it does mean you have to think in global terms not your small close minded local thinking. Oh just to clarify that was an insult. See there is a very big difference maybe i should have added smiley faces and laughing emotes and "lol" to my compliment comment so you could tell the difference better and that was me being bitchy while insulting. You see, we are learning so much today.

Don't confuse my compliments for insults. Again, trust me all this above is me being nice.

And as for the 3 days before I replied, I was busy i have a life. It's kinda more important than having to teach a child the difference between a compliment and an insult."

Well, don't confuse facts with insults. Do you type this way on purpose to attract Grammar Nazis? Well, you just got a bait, mate. A big one.

My excuse is you being too lazy to use something as simple as a ".". Punctuation. It's so easy to use, and yet, people don't. It's sad. That is not an insult, by the way. That, is a fact. Finishing a sentence? Use "." Continuing a sentence? Use ",". Simple, really.

"Allow for 48 hour reply?" Umm. What? People live in different timezones. They have different spare time. And you want me to WAIT 48 hours to reply? Umm. No. Not happening. It's rude to automatically expect people to know who you are, where you're from, what your spare time is and what timezone you're in. And even then. We won't know how long you're available either. But still. That is still no excuse NOT to use something as simple as a ".". If you had bothered to use simple punctuation, YamatoIouko might've not looked upon it as being offensive or as an insult.

If I wanted to insult you, you'd know, because you completely know the difference between a compliment and an insult. What about an insult and FACTS?

Not to sound like an ass, but there you go. FACT, not insult. Know the difference, mate.

thank you for admitting your a gramma nazi one of the worse form of trolls it backs up the reason i am going to add you to my block list as for punctuation i have to have my hand written stuff proof read because i can't use to correctly i get stuff in wrong places gose hand in hand with the learning dificulties i have along with bad spelling and i am not going to call my mom or my friend who is writing abook to proof read every single thing i type online its why people like you get called gramma "NAZIS" beacuse you and your kind act like a mild form of WW2 nazis in that you hate any one who dose not fit your ideal of perfect did it ever cross your mind that maybe english is not my first language or that where i am english grammer mite be hard for me to grasp no i doute it did because in your close minded head unless some one speaks perfect english like your self they are just lazy lets not consider the multitude of reasons for bad spelling and grammer


1 english is not first language
2 learning difficulties like dyslexia and a half a dozen other ones
3 comes from a country with a diffrent gramma structure

people like you are just close minded and spite full of things that are not perfect well news flash the world is not perfect albert einstein was dyslexic and could not even spell his own name let alone use puncuation but i bet if you read something written by him and not by a scribe with out knowing who it was by you whould automatically assume the person was an idiot and dismiss everything he wrote

http://www.ghotit.com/2010/06/einstein-dyslexia/

The following is an interview performed by Ofer Chermesh, the founder of Ghotit, the leading writing assistive technology for dyslexics, and Mr. Albert Einstein, the man synonymous with the word GENIUS, and a world famous dyslexic. All of Mr. Albert Einstein texts are exact quotes.

Ofer: Thank you Mr. Albert Einstein for joining this interview. And thank you also very much for being a dyslexic genius. One of the major misconceptions that people have is that people with dyslexia have a lower intelligence. That is ridiculous of course…

Mr. Albert Einstein: “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe”.
Albert Einstein's quote holds true for you i just hope you realise there are more important things in the world than picking on my grammer like i don't know falling in love having fun meeting new people exploring new places life is short stop wasting yours looking for bad gramma to pick on

nazard is afraid I'm winning the argument, I see. Well, good riddance.

How can someone be this delusional? Don't even bother replying to me.

well actually he's only been getting positive support on his page

he has other aliases he goes by that few know of and has past this other account and means of contacting him past him

so getting these messages would fall on deaf ears

I was wondering the same thing o3o

I fucking hate people.

furries ruin everything

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4072868/

Know that that journal is not directed at you lol

I havn't heard of this whole situation.

What did he do that is so horrible that the entirety of FA has to explode over it?

sooo how did all of this start?

Wowwww. :( people forget that there are other people behind the screen, and just take shots at them. It's awful.

People make mistakes. Don't perpetuate the chain of mistakes by refusing to forgive them. If you can't forgive, just move on. I don't know who this person is, but I sincerely hope he is okay, and that he knows there is a place for him in this world.

Also, guys, don't go pick on the bullies. You're being no better than him, and just making the problem worse... Don't perpetuate the hate.

I shouted on his profile to try and stop the attacks...might try and spam his shouts (as bad as it sounds) so people won't see all the comments

I know it sounds stupid but my intention was not to get him attacked, not at all

it was to show bullying and to get it to stop...not to have people turn into bullies themselves

Yeah, I understand! Hopefully people will stop that! If only we could block the notes :/

I sent a note myself apologizing for the attacks, I will take fault as I should have taken the precautions to prevent such a thing from happening...

it wasn't my intention from the start to have it happen...and I horribly regret it happening from something I just didn't happen to think about until it was pointed out

total lapse of judgement

I burst into tears when reading this...
I have been a victim of both severe bullying, molestation, rape, assault, & abuse...not JUST from online & IRL bullies but from my maternal family & ex-lovers.

*UberHuggles*

*uber-huggles back*

I don't understand how people can gain from hurting others.
Iv herd horrifying things from someone who I consider a mother to me and, it is just unsettling how popular these kinds of things are. To all different kinds of degrees.
ARM you ARM (its a hug)
And a swift brutal beating for them.

*hugs you back* Thank you...

It's a matter of power. People that are weak inside ( or at least feel like that ) try to get strength by crushing other people's egos as hard as they can, and they don't care about what happens to that person.

I personally lost a high school pal to suicide. We never knew the complete truth but methinks he got bullied andh e kept it inside. Then one day he snapped, robbed a service station and then went back to his home and blew his brains out.

I can't tell if it's entirely true or not, but from many people I've met both online and IRL, I've seen bullying devastating effects, and I compare these effects to the one the jews had in nazi labor camps ( on a mental level of course )

RIN

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Gee... This site is for porn, not bully... those silly people who think the wrong way. So if your friend has sleep forever, then I am truth sorry about his hard life. If he decided to stay alive, tell him to ignoring the one who bullied him and building his strength to be good and strong user.

I had dealt with many bullies before, on site or in real life, and I managed to surviving through them on my own. I understood his feeling, "United We Stand" can be true, but not 100% perfectionistic successful. It's like you're trying to resist the disease with 100% maximum, you still get it in the end. Nothing is perfection, except for the afterlife.

So why didn't he just learn how to blocking the bully users and join the good socialize?

The site's not just for porn. It's not youporn.

Fur Porn. I know that it's not 100% Porn on the fur, it's "Fur" type of the site that allowed this way.

It's not a bully nor a tool to gain more friends - we upload the image(s) or story(-ies) that included the fur, porn or not. So cut your attitude out, I am supporting that poor fella from commenting a suicide.

I...what?

There's no attitude, and I never said you were supporting someone committing suicide. What the heck?

All I said is the site isn't just for porn.

Where...the hell...does it say anything about you in support of someone committing suicide, and where is the attitude in one sentence?

Geeeez I swear you can't even comment on someone's comment without them acting like you're trying to be mean.

If you got an attitude from that tiny sentence, that's your deal. Not mine.

Good day, lady! You considered a rival against FA.

....what?

And another block!!!

It's so silly to see how some people like to come into journals, post their views, and get so upset like children when they misread or mishear, or someone doesn't agree with them.

Such children shouldn't be in adult discussions if you can't handle it.

Also...I'm a dude. And you're not all of FA.

whatever he did back then.
If he was sorry then there was no need for this
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I hope he wasnt successful

Here's hoping he didn't do anything...though I'm not too hopeful.

You might want to blank out the name on the shout... You really don't want the hate machine to perpetuate this mess. No one deserves to get attacked like that, even if they did something truly awful.

THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS! So much this! Thank you Mr. Metonymy, that's exactly what I was trying to get across in a much more inane manner.

I might have misunderstood what you meant there dude and for that I sincerely apologize

I was thinking you meant in my journal topic, not in the link posted

No dude, my concern was the fact that you gave your friend's name and the potential trolls that could have used it. I see nothing wrong with the sentiment behind your journal and even the wording in general. I was just concerned the direct attention could have been bad. That's all.

well forrest had hopped online and just told me he swallowed pills, in a large amount

he couldn't sleep but was now shivering and had trouble breathing

I told him to go to his parents NOW and get medical help


I just hope he's ok...

I hope he is too. I don't want anyone hurting themselves.

The issue's never been that, I just don't want him to get more unwanted attention.

Meaning I was inane, not you. Sorry there. ^.^;

No worries! I am glad people have the same sentiment I do!

That's what I original do when I was bullying, but not only that - I should have blocking that account who commented a bad shout on my account so I don't have to worry about them anymore. At least a friendly face around.

Yes, the best way to discourage some bullies is to ignore them

Agreed, that's what I shouted at that poorly fella (now it's way further off the list, due to many new watchers he got)

This is terrible. I don't know this guy but nobody deserves hate. I hope he doesn't do it.

Its sad to see people putting down others just to make them self feel better. Their enough of it in the world off line and we do not need it here. Life is hard enough being different. It would not be made harder by others on here.

I second this. Sad thing is, most of the time it is trolls.

I'm pissed, sad...fuck man...FUCK!

what a jerk, i havnt seen him on aim in a while. i hope hes ok.

Wow.

I'm ... now finally in favor of capital punishment. :P

Anything I can do to help you two, just drop me a line, k?

And why are people bullying him?

Nobody knows, dnyte isnt saying much about that. :/

let's just say he faked going to the hospital and almost dying

which, yea...he was younger (a few years back), it was years ago and he horribly regrets it

the fact he tried to redeem himself and others simply would allow for it to happen and just kept knocking him down when he was trying to get on his own two feet again

Well, it was a stupid decision back then. Such a health problem/ death or nearly death is a serious matter and faking it makes nobody popular. But perma-shitstorming against him is no reasonable behaviour.

Here I thought he might have done something REALLY horrible, but this? I really don't see how he is getting so much hate for that O_o I would call that juvenile at best but not terrible!

sometimes people do things like that. especially in times hwen they feel that they are not loved or liked. It's a cry for attention, and caring.

granted it was a mistake, but something so seemingly simple (albeit complex in emotional scope to those that cared) but people constantly make mistakes. Think of takes, in movie scenes. mis-takes are ones that did not quite perform as well as expected. A usable take is one that is built off of many mis-takes, using the previous ones as a comparison to find what went wrong.

Mistakes are to learn from. Thats why they happen. It seems as though this individual learned from his mistakes, and tried to move past them. I hope that he continues, and in good health.

Shame, discredit, and threefold pain (earned, earned in full) to those who wouldn't allow his unhindered growth as a person.
Karma is coming, everyone gets their due.

+ Like :3

Eh Im aware cyber bullying is wrong and such, but what exactly did he do do be harassed so much?

Faked going to the hospital and almost dying. Poor kid didn't knew that attention whoring is one of the worst mistakes you can do on the Internet.

ahhh...well then, yeah it's a huge mistake, but forgivable with time, everyone is a dumb kid at least once in their life

I second that.
If I was using a time machine and going back in my past, I'd bitchslap my younger self before shoving it down the toilet and flushing.

How can someone live with themselves after acting like that? I gave up on humanity quite some time ago, there's just no reason or logic nowadays...

I hope he's still around!

There has been plenty of discussion about cyber bullying here in Canada. Including talks about upgrading criminal codes and penalties for those convicted of such actions.

http://www.cyberbullying.ca/

Let me at least say thank-you for being with him. Even if just over an instant messager.

Were you able to meet him in person at all? Did you have any means of checking up on him after that last message or alerting local authorities for him?

You talk about putting down, but now everyone is attacking the person who left that shout. You need to blank out that name. Now.

Seconded!

yet look at the support he's receiving on his profile...would that not be uplifting to see for anyone who is in such a shape?

if people attack me? I don't give a damn, I'm a strong person and I can withstand it and defend my position

I believe Ivory was referring to the person who left the hateful shout on the screencap ofnforrestmarkx 's page.

I didn't realize and didn't think prior to posting about blacking out his name

and I just created a much greater deal of drama when I didn't know what people were meaning when they said the shoutbox

>.<;

It happens, drama kind of breeds itself like that. People are naturally curious/upset, and will do some digging to find out who caused it. It serves to just perpetuate the problem that started this in the first place. :/ hopefully hopefully things turn out okay in the end. You did the right thing by saying bullying anyone for mistakes they made in the past is wrong. Some people just missed the message @_@

Talk down the name of the person who said the comment. HE is now getting harassed. You don't make a journal crying out about people being mean and harassing someone, then allow others to do it by having this person's FA.

For the love of God, please just blank it. You're adding to the hate.

This.

I didn't think of blacking out the name and shouted on Forfy's page to have people stop attacking him

this entire journal wasn't to solo anyone out or to get others to turn on a different person

it's just a deeper cycle of bullying

now I just need to clear up his shout box somehow to stop it from happening...even if by means of spam

Thank you so much for understanding.

I just didn't realize it and through the chaos of people getting all up in arms I didn't see what was happening on another end that I had no intention of going

this was just to point out a bullying scenario not for people to misconstrue it and turn their anger and emotions on someone who may/may not deserve it

bullying does not prevent bullying

Well i dunno wat is going on or wat this guy did, but i believe that you only live once and watever mistakes that was done then it could be forgiven and forgotten. If the guy is trying to fix his life for the better, then he should be applauded and given another chance!

I've got a similar problem.....i've been bullied all of my life in school/college/uni and work. i still get mis-treated and bullied by furries...

I had 'good' friends in the past who now hate me, won't forgive because of 'stupid mis-understandings and arguements'

MydnyteDragon, i wished i had a buddy like you who could stick up for me.... ;_;

I am friends with him, and I can tell you he has been through a lot. He is not without his faults, as he has faked death a few times according to his exes. I have been there for him when I can, and I will do what I can to make sure he has someone to talk to.

this is the way society is these days sadly, kicking down the people that are different, that only want to live their lives. these people, the ones who get a fucking hard on for abusing others, causing drama, they are not human beings, they are scum, worthless, beings that don't deserve the luxoury of life.





These officcials need to be replaced with those who oppose abuse, oppose, drama, and above all, oppose injustice such as this.




If this person has indeed killed himself, then those who abused him should have their throats cut open,, and burn in hell for eternity, this guy's family is mourning him. These fuckers should feel what it's like for those that loved and cared about them cry over their caskets and graves.

This reminds me of something before. I am glad I am not the only that actually helps people. You have my thanks for saving another.

Well, somewhat. But you hopefully made a difference. We'll see what happens.

Myd, you're a good guy and your heart is in the right place, but please take down the name of that other guy. All it does it perpetuate the situation and now people are hating on HIM for doing something stupid.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

The name of the other guy wasn't the issue I think, Tagg. lol. He did kinda post it up for the public to see on Forrest's page lol. XD

Certain people on the page are whining because Myd put up Forrest's name and are arguing it to death like children. :|

That's exactly what the issue was. He had dozens of similar shouts on his page before the links when down.

Eh, guess the guy probably shouldn't been a douche. I unno. Bullies getting bullied? Oh no, say it isn't so. xD

But seriously. You'd have to convince me as to why people telling someone they are a bad person (for doing a bad person thing) is a bad thing. (Whoa, that was a bit confusing...)

I dunno. Probably shouldn't post the "offenders" name, for the sake of not stirring issues... But again, bullies online and RL gain their "power" from anonymity. More particularly online. Makes it harder for them to get their rocks off if people know who they are. o.o

Because it's an endless cycle of attack and defend. You think the bully is some other form of life undeserving of the least bit of empathy? What if he became the subject of an attack? You can be damn sure a similar group of people would stand up for him and say that it was a stupid attack and in the past. Deal with the issue of bullying not the people. Controlling and changing people is next to impossible, act better yourself and fucking man up.

Guess bullies shouldn't be bullies if they can't take back what they dish out? O_o

Makes sense.

I see where you are coming from. People need to learn where the line is and when to stop. Though, honestly, there are some bullies who are/were also victims too, and are simply acting out because that's all they know.

But that's a completely different topic lol. :3

Ugh - I wish these people would stop.

I can admit I've gone through a lot of stuff similar to this in the past, and whilst I did my best to ignore everything they threw at me, it still hurt.

they don't understand is all. People are mean. Thats all their is to it.

Owow, someone linked me to this journal and I really hope this guy wakes up again. I don't know him or what he did, and I don't care what he did. No one deserves to be attacked and hated on like that. People can change, so whatever he did, he shouldn't be continuously punished for it.

I don't know you either, but I decided to say, if he wakes up, continue being his friend, he deserves all the friends he can get.

I'm seeing this more and more here on Fa, yes he made mistakes, yes he made bad choices, so what, there is no need to continually hound him over it

First off: I agree that bullying has consequences and as long as it wasn't something too bad people should move past it and everyone should move on with their lives. That said: I am indifferent to this situation happening on this journal at this moment.


Second: You realize that through your efforts now the bullies are getting bullied correct?


So.... I kinda think your journal backfired...

and in case that last sentence on my first part was unclear. I'm referring to the discussions on the journal, not the bullying in question. The bullying should have been done away with long ago.

Lol
I bumped the comment off of the sketch page.
But I was sincere in what I said.

sketch page? Shout page. Whooo.

I was harassed|bullied for almost three years, starting back when I was in fourth grade [eight years old] [2002]
Worse thing was that they were my cousins [mom's side, guys only] and it started about a week after my family moved from the DC area to OKC
I ate more than usual, stressing from all of it, and my mom thought it was just a normal phase [puberty reasons~? ]; no one didn't know my change of eating habits was a cry for help.

After the first year, I wanted to either commit suicide or just kill them all [starting with the source]; that's when my dark-side developed. I've been the kind of guy who's always nice and very sensitive, but then it almost got completely destroyed; I had to recover it during my teen years. I'm less sensitive now, but I'm still nice~

The third year was when it got really bad.
After one of our cousins' high school graduation, our families were taking pictures around the foyer of the convention center. Two of my cousins were starting to harass me, and so I tried to leave, they followed. I sped up, they did too; Ran, so did they; stop immediately, and the same goes for them. Then it's pretty much them chasing me around the area. I was getting annoyed, they were having fun <_<" I told them to stop so many times, but all of them have been ignored.
At one point, they trapped me behind a chair, and the only way out was for me to climb over, so I did. When I was halfway over, one of them [the one I hate the most; the source of problem] went right over in front of me and gave shove [which he underestimated as a light one] and I ended up hitting the back of my head onto the aluminium framework of the window. The impact was hard enough to give a loud bang that could be heard from almost a yard away. We never knew how much damage I've gotten from that, because I never gotten my brain scanned prior to that -_-"
So after that had happened, their parents had lectured them later that weekend. Nope, that didn't stop them from doing all the crap.
Before the whole thing at the convention center the guys were lectured for them to stop the bullying, they denied their wrongdoing. Weeks after the incident at the convention center, they were all lectured again, this time by one of our uncles [who's very stern]. Yet they still claim that they never bullied me

4th through 9th grade, I went to the same schools as most of them.
10th through 12th grade, I went to a newer high school [opened in 2008; I was one of the first sophomores there], they went to the older one. Glad I didn't have to see them around school for those years~

Now prior to today, they still harass me, but it's not much like it was back then. It's now pretty much annoying to me and more like that they're not even trying
Do I still hate those bastards? Yes.
Will I ever forgive them? No.
Did they ever apologise? Nope. <_____<
And I still don't know why they did all of that to begin with <_____<"


Will I ever forget about this despite how many times my immediate family says I need to drop it?
I don't think so. You never forget the worst things that happen to yourself; it's burned and scared into your own life.

Over the years, I've lost interest in certain things, but gained new ones to replace it.
My relationship with my family isn't that strong either, but it's decent.

I hate people who bully people this much. There is abustly no excuse to bully someone. I've been bullied to the point where I've cried in the morning because I'm terrified to go to school.
I'll keep this person in my prayers.

why must people be like that

Bullying has to stop, nobody and i mean NOBODY deserves to be treated like shit, regardless of what may have happened in the past. Those who dwell on the past and dig crap up from the past are the ones with the real problems.

Bullying someone is not big, clever or funny, and after reading through the comments here, i really hope some people have sense to start changing their attitudes and ways of thinking before they say anything further on matters like these!

wait... what's so bad about knowing him?
Was always pretty cool to me, if a bit cryptic o.=.o

This... No... I didn't even see what they posted, it's 404'd, but I'm sure it's something that crosses far too many lines... If he tried to fix whatever it is he did, than he's not a bad guy... As if whatever it was didn't make him feel bad enough... I hope that he's okay, I'm gonna send this out too... *Takes a deep breath* Pointless lives taken because some people are so fucked up that they can't let go of the past... It makes me sick.

Bullying sucks, I hope he's still alive and that the bullies leave him alone.

I don't intend on re-posting this in my journals. As much as I admit that this is a horrible thing, it happens. I don't want to sound cold hearted, but if your friend decides he's going to take his own life, that is his decision. If he isn't successful, he'll realize that there is more to life than just words behind a computer screen, and he'll learn from his mistakes. It seems he was trying to better himself, he's just going to have to be careful who he tells things too.

I think this, just as all bullying, is a good eye opener to everyone. Bullying has to stop, but it's tough to stop the bullying. It doesn't take a lot to push someone to the edge, and cause someone to think about killing them self to stop their pain. To anyone who is either thinking about suicide or attempted suicide, PLEASE remember that suicide is not the answer. There are tools for everyone. Here on FA, if someone is bullying you, block them, report them to an admin with picture proof of what you're accusing them of. Don't make a big mess out of these situations. It's stress and drama that nobody needs, nor wants.

And for everyone thinking about suicide, just remember that it does get better. It may be a struggle now, but it will get better. I promise. I'm someone who has been depressed before, certainly everyone experiences depression, and yeah, I admit I've wanted to kill myself too, it seems so easy sometimes, but then I think of the things in life I would be leaving behind, that are truly dear to me. I won't leave this world, because there is so much I can do to help people, and to make them happy.

So please, if you're going through a hard time, don't hesitate to contact me, or even contacting a help-line. There are resources, many many resources. Don't be afraid to reach out.

*hugs for all* I do not know you, and may never know you, but know that I love you.

um the link is broken so i cant see what is says, i got a 404 message

but i have had to deal with bullies all my life, and this stuff truelly does hurt, and so i always go out of my way to help people like this, becuase i was at a point like that, and what helped me was good friends i made on FA, and i know the online bullys hurt, but the best advantage about them, is they can be blocked easer than the ones in real life, and whenever i see someone getting bullied, i always go after the bully, asking them why they did it, and try to explain to them what they did will do. I wanna help in any way i can

 kipkay has passed away due to all the bulling just very recently. If this shit keeps happening someone will possibly press charges.

Something I will never understand, people on FA have RL issues with being an outcast (by and large). Why do people inside the community then act like bullies too? I would think that being on the receiving end of the bullying would teach people that it sucks so why inflict it on other people. And I think it seems to apply to the internet in general too.

Maybe that's just me.

I hope whatever happened and happens that your friend is alright and just needs some time away from the drama.

I'm one those victims of cyber bullying. On many accounts I've wanted to commit suicide, but try to just get past it as best as I can. I did vent artwork actually to try to make people more aware of this.

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/9250671/

My deepest DEEPEST condolence. You and your friend are in my thoughts and prayers. I hope it is NEVER too late. I know what it's like being bullied, picked on, beaten, threaten, etc. Trust me, I've been there before ever since I was put on this planet. However, I came out strong, and I survived the darkness. And I'll do it again. Mr. Mydnyte, I hope a miracle comes your way. Have faith. *hugs tightly*

We have two ears and only one mouth, so we should listen twice as much than we shout. Words kill and if anything did happen to someone suffering, regardless of their past. The bullies who know nothing and care for no one will continue to not care nor feel responsible for the life, the memories, the future and the person they have helped to end.

As someone who has been set on fire through pointless hatred, and as someone who has stuck a 9mm in his mouth ready to end it all because of the bullies making me suffer day in and day out. I grew stronger because friends listened to me and helped me through, now im much better off to the point im more successful in all ways of life while the ones that caused me pain are nothing but a passing rash doomed to be nothings their whole lives.

Im glad your sticking up for a friend Myd its a very human thing to do. ^^

Oh and as for the people who are getting bullied as a result of bullying to begin with. How does it feel, not nice is it?

What goes around comes around.

hey thanks Scott

I had to go onto the other guy's page and shout for people to stop assaulting him

I mean sure...karma is a bitch but bullying leading to more bullying doesn't end the cycle...y'know?

also I sent you a note~

I miss talking to you! ;-;

look. i'm all for joking. and i've been on the ass end of a ton of jokes, so i know how to take one, and i know how to dish one out.


but there's a line that shouldn't, and can not be crossed, a line that separates joking around and bullying. And that line can't be crossed, and when it is, this could happen.

I didn't know this guy, personally, or thru the web. I don't know this story at all, I don't know who said what, and I don't know what this guy did. But if he was trying to better himself...those people should've just let him be, instead of continue to bash.

The people who do cyber bully need to realize that, even though they're just words, they still hurt. Trust me, out of all the people you'll find, I probably have the thickest layer of skin, and I can take shit like the best of 'em. Still, there are those days where it gets through, and it fuckin hurts like nobody's business. Sad thing is, they don't realize it, and they need to be brought to the light themselves.

It's a god damn shame if this kid actually did take his own life...i've always thought suicide was a permanent solution to a temporary problem...

I can only wish you the best for your friend being bullied to the point where he wanted to take his own life is truly an awful thing no one should have to endure anything like that. I hope he doesn't do it and that he will feel a lot better with some time.

This somewhat sounds like something I went through, not on his end, but on yours. I know what you feel like and now all of the emotions are rushing back to me T.T I hope you don't live out my greatest fear.

Didn't read any of the comments above - if he's serious, call 911 immediately and say there was a suicide attempt, give the name and address.

this shit has got to stop! What kind of gratification do you get for making some sick twisted ass thing like that!? If you look at his REAL fa page which he abandoned...you'll see that someone deliberately went OUT of their way to make this.
I'm not sure what you're implying, or what exactly we're being accused of doing to the user.

Given the comments, I hope he's okay... but I don't really understand the backstory, or what FA is being accused of doing to him.

I thought so, but the word with " THIS IS TO FA OFFICIALS AND OTHERS WHO SEE THIS" threw me off, like we somehow permit that kind of behavior to happen (which we don't).

Since you are here I am sure you knew of the cases of Camocat and those being harassed. Hell I am being bothered by trolls in which my ticket is take a long time to just respond to two people are clearly ban evaders while the other one is from lulz.net.

 kipkay is sadly deceased, it's not marked yet the new came from Camocat who had this leave this site because she couldn't take it anymore.

We are losing a lot of faith here Dragoneer, the main issue is something needs to be strictly done about this or else someone is going to find a way to legally press charges. A strict ruling on cyber bulling would be nice where the offender does get perma banned instead of set off with a warning.

It really depends on the type of harassment. If people are encouraging people to commit suicide, making death threats, etc. they may well be perma-banned, not merely warned.

What about comments like this

Dude, you can't draw for shit, so keep your brain damaged opinion to yourself unless you have something constructive to say. Crack babies like you should have view-only access to the internet, if at all. Its morons like you that are clogging the internet with stupid.


I made a ticket on the person who wrote this, he's not dealt with yet after making such a comment. I see comments like this were people actually get away with sadly. Some are not even dealt with. Plus those who make sock puppets are the worst since we as the users don't know who the person is behind it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This. This, so hard. I've had to make such reports (thankfully few) in the past, only to get inaction or "We're sorry. We can't take action due to X reason. Please contact us again." or something.

Exactly I get a response how I am not suppose to report for someone who was being harassed. I feel like action is still needed since what if the person took a haitus or just perma leave the site? I don't see why abusive people need to continue to egg on the person's absence over and over, like if it's OK to do it. I myself get bugged by idiots like furryxext who makes rude comments in my journals when not needed. I am surprised he is not banned for bothering other people as well.

I actually SAW this user pop up several times the last several weeks or so on various FA user's shouts. Not only him, but I can browser tab several others who are harassing users & STILL have gone unpunished.

Thankfully Nitro got suspended just now and I wish Furryxext can be banned.

Remember the two accounts we dealt with a few days ago?

x.x Mind refreshing my memory? PM in skype

Yet who made the comments? Camocat? Kipkay? I did a comment search on both and see no comments from either like that.

Oh no that degrading comment is found here made by NitroFox

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9312586/

Thanks. I'm following up on that now.

Thank you

I'll be blunt, Neer. The site has a SEVERE bullying issue. Many users (myself included) have endured various amounts of bullying and harassment, but before action can be done, the evidence magically disappears: journals deleted, comments hidden, and people siding with the guilty party and pointing to the victims.

I propose that an anti-bullying and anti-cyber-bullying campaign is created here, with the purpose of spreading the ideals of respect, tolerance, and kindness. Being blunt, sarcastic or otherwise serious is no excuse to treat others like crap. And you need to start at the two sources: your useless moderators who never do anything, and the more vocal artists and users who have a history of drama.

That's what the user tried to say, I think.

The Internet has a severe bullying issue. It's not the site.

We've been trying to increase steps to prevent it, but the Internet itself has turned uglier in recent years. Trying to find proper ways to stop it is not simply easy.

I know. But I have to single out the site in particular because we're not talking about the Internet. We're talking about FurAffinity, about the fandom. Which is why I singled out the site. But yes, the Internet has become progressively worse. I mean, look at Amanda Todd.

Regardless, though, users need to realize here that bullying and bad attitudes are not the way to go. Off the top of my head, I can mention  dmk in particular as someone who has endured severe harassment recently. All because he wants to help his own mother.

This ^^^^^^^^^

I happen to live close by where Amanda Todd lived, so it was a total shock to the Tri-Cities. Since her death, her mother Carol has been popping up in the Tri-City News every now and then; one of the more recent articles being that she got barred from attending a meeting about, ironically enough, anti-bullying. She complained about that, saying what they did is a form of bullying in a particular way. Some folks in the area are inclined to agree, as do I; Amanda's death should strike inspiration for the community to ensure that their kids don't wind up the same way.

The guy who harassed her for two years, by the way, got arrested. I forgot what the charges were though, I'll have to look it up on the news.

sorry for the shout and all that, I was more referring to the bullying being done by some people on this site

I would show you the link but as it has been taken down now...I can't further relay my point in this matter

I admit I was a bit...emotional when I wrote this up and I can't point any specific persons out but I will just say this:

people bully because of things that someone may or maynot have done...and I know it can't be prevented in most cases but just in sharing a sense of awareness, that's what I wanted to accomplish most in this journal

make people on FA stop attacking one another for frivolous reasons, I just think it should be shared more with people about anti-bullying

it was in no way an attack towards admins or anyone of the sort, just to make you guys aware and to keep a better eye on these kinds of things...it's a vast site and hard to monitor everything but catching one thing can very well save a person's life, y'know?

How sad.

I heard this from DKitty.... one of my close friends just lost her younger sister to some guys that tried to rape her and instead bashed her over the head with a bat... this is just... wrong. Spread this... i shall.

I mean it wasnt Dkitty's sister, another friend. I hear about this journal from DKitty.

Btw thank God my mother didn't have anymore kids after me...they shouldn't be put through the hell I lived through with her, because I found out she never wanted me to begin with: she tried to abort me through messing with lead paint after several attempts to miscarry me through her drug/alcohol addiction through the pregnancy.

That's horrible...

Oh, that's just the beginning.

I know the feeling, and going off this statement, I've had worse. But I don't drag my dirty laundry around other people's pages. This is not relevant to this journal. If you want to brag about your problems, you should probably do it privately. Everyone has had problems and there are always people who have had it worse. If you still feel you need people to comfort you and remind you that all of that is in your past, you should probably see a therapist. If you are already (I have been going for 4 years), congratulations. Maybe you can convince the person this journal was written about to do the same.

I am sorry your life has sucked, but don't feel like you're the only one. This really sounds to me like you're bragging about it, and that irks me. I apologize if I misread your meaning, but if you want something done about, you should see the police (or, again, a therapist), not complain to furries about it on the internet. >.=.>;

Welllll....

Due to the fact that I dont understand the "story" behind the man I'll just say this.

I hope hes fine. I really do.

That's all I can do. And personally...Im fine with that.

Long as someone stays alive I'm fine with it.

Sorry, but mean words on the internet don't kill people. It's severe metal illness that causes a person to come to that decision.

I've know my fair share of depressed people, and anyone who has had depressed friends knows that these things usually don't come from outside factors. It's the mentality that doesn't allow them to see the good in their lives and causes them to focus on the bad, or even fabricate things to be upset about.

If someone is suicidal all the good in the world isn't going to make them feel better when their entire mentality is wrapped around a single grain of hate and sadness.

It's simply not reasonable to blame some people on the internet for these things. They are a scapegoat for a much more serious problem. To imply that simply being nicer to someone suffering from metal illness will cure them is just plain ignorant. Suicide and mental illness are horrible things, but please don't over simply complex issues and belittle people who suffer by saying that these things are simply a result of 'mean people'


(If the harassment was real and of a physical nature, caused him hardship in day to day life or impacted his ability to find work and live freely then I retract my statement. That's a different matter completely. However that isn't the impression I'm getting here.)

Honestly, I agree. It may be blunt, but it holds a lot of truth.

And seriously...tone down the bluntness because you can't handle it? I don't see why anyone should have to baby up the truth in a journal that provokes adult discussion, especially if he was simply putting a different viewpoint in here other than everyone else's. A viewpoint that is very much relevant and should be considered. Just because it's blunt doesn't negate the truth to it. And if you can't handle something like THIS then you might not want to look in journals where there's going to be a huge discussion. There will not always be the "I'm sorry he feels this way. Fuck bullies. They're mean and they're the reason he took his own life" as there are those of us that feel for the guy, don't want him to take his life, and don't him to be bullied, but as adults who have probably been through enough bullying in our own lives we're able to say that suicide isn't the answer and it's not a bad thing to say. Blunt or not. It's just the truth.

And the truth isn't so pretty all the time.

Why should anyone have to cater to YOU?

I'm not calling anyone out for having a different view. You were doing that yourself just then, asking someone not to be so blunt with their views just because you don't like their tone.

And no, I never said it was his fault, if you could point to my comment where I said that, I'd like to see it.

And that's fine, It just further proves my point. I meant no disrespect, but if you cannot handle an adult discussion with people with differing views then you shouldn't be here. It's like you're expecting EVERYONE to have the exact same view you have and damn them if it comes off as blunt or cold.

And my comment has nothing pointing to you needing to cater to me. Nothing in there says "I don't like this...do it this way" But yours did. That's all I was saying.

I really don't see how he could've made it more 'respectful'

It's words on the internet, kinda hard to convey feelings especially with a comment that's going to be taken, just as you did, blunt. And some would say cold.

want some smiley faces or something?

Good job removing the comment and putting me on your block list

FURTHER PROVING MY POINT

If you cannot handle an adult discussion, wolf uremeshi, then you shouldn't be on this journal.

And I never said once you were a 'childish spoiled brat' so good job once again putting things there that weren't there.

It is hard to convey feelings through text. Just because someone had a different opinion than you doesn't mean it was condescending.

And yes, you did want someone to "change their tone" because you felt they were "being too blunt" just because you remove the commnet doesn't negate what you said. You didn't like a tone, something you cannot possibly even KNOW thought TEXT unless they TOLD YOU, and so you wanted them to cater to you, the only person who had a problem with the tone, and not be so blunt or condescending.

Unless this person outwardly told you they were being condescending, it's YOUR hang up that you took it that way. Just because it's a different opinion than yours doesn't mean it's condescending.

Oh and where did I call you a "childish spoiled brat" cuz I don't even see that anywhere. Thanks for putting something into nothing.

No, no. Do not misunderstand. I do not mean to make people have my own views- that would be stupid. What I did take offense to was the condescending tone with which the message was sent. If the guy had been more understanding of the issue, it would have been different. And now you're calling me a childish spoiled brat. :/

I was not saying that people should do things my way. If you thought that, well, it's your hangup.

This conversation is over.

I agree with this statement SO MUCH.

People may call me cold, but whatever.

As someone who was bullied and beaten and even RAPED, I too attempted to committ suicide. I was thankfully found and caught before I did any damage, but after doing that and after talking to a few people I realized that the act of me committing suicide was nothing short of selfish. Not only would I be causing a LOT of problems for my family because of it, I'd be taking myself off the planet because some idiots don't know when to shut up. Which is probably EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED.

i have been watching ForrestMarkX for quite awhile an knew had quite abit of depression an could snap an >,< now kinda wish i tried to make em feel better but now its too late, i do hope there life isnt gonna end an person who did this should feel ashamed about what they did

Well, let me say, I'm sorry to hear that and to see all the tantrum it caused.

BUT, knowing the whole story, I can't help but question the guy's will to change. He already did it a few times in the past, cheating and saying he wanted to kill himself or tried to commit suicide... And it worked for a while! So why not one more time?
There are people who lie and who will always lie, no matter what. I wouldn't give that guy full trust, ever because those weren't "small, meaningless" lies.
However, it is true that the comment from the other party was rude, but it's understandable.

In addition to that, a quick research on Google shows that, finally, he isn't doing that bad.

I always have an open psychiatric feel to these sort of things.
I have talked people out of this feeling before and i can do it again!
But it seems you are the only one who can help him for now.
But we need to wait and see how he is later.
Keep connected and keep close.

I don't know who he is but i really do hope he is ok cause bullying is kinda deadly

I hear to that. I used to have to deal with that shit and after five years of it i managed to break free guess i should count myself lucky I know how it feels to be harassed like that.

God help him.

I have a similar story, and almost nobody is paying attention to me, well some of my followers,friends and family care
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3969582/

FA admins will spin it so the person being bullied is the person who s wrong for fighting back. It's like they expect people to take it an like it, I've been there. Not a pretty place to be...

oh god... I REALLY hope I don't hear he is dead or suicide. I know him and he is a great kid, Ive known him for awhile. he did talk a lot then he just disappeared a lot and got worried or thought he hated me I never knew anything of his past cause he never talked and I never pry to know cause its not my business.. but I can't believe that...

I won't support or reject this journal, but you bring up a very valid point. This fandom is poisoned beyond healing. I mean, look at ME. I've had so many random fallouts with people recently that Freud would have a field day.

we have alot of fucked up people in this damned world but shit, if bullies are going to push someont to the edge in this world they are the ones to blame and shouldnt be around to enjoy life...they are to be sent away cause ive had plentty of friend kill them selves cause of bullies and ive gotten text messages about suicide from them and there wasnt a thing i could do but talk to em but when i would respond back they were gone from the world so and so that shit pisses me off to the limits and i still deal with bullies in the military and shit but hell i take care of it on the spot and get there ass in trouble so they cant do it again to another private or something like that....this bullying shit needs to stop right now....if you freaking talk crap about other people to make yourself feel good and them bad, then you are totally fucked up and half the time they cant even back themself up with there comments...they just say it just to make them feel cool and popular...WRONG FUCKING ANSWER!

I've got his back and will continue to do so

so rest assured I'll make sure he stays safe :3

you mind noting me cause i wana ask ye something

I'm just gonna stay as neutral as I can on the topic. I'm sorry that this happened but there's an internet hate machine out there and bigots will be...well....bigots...but it doesn't really give you justice in calling out FA in general.

Is it sad that this happened? Yes. Are you upset? Well by the level 5 rage-fu in your journal I'd say that's beyond yes. Is it ever going to stop? Nope.
I'm sorry it happened but you might wanna try being a bit more productive than going "OMG FA U BASTARDS BLAHBLAH MIGHT BE DEAD" with a holier-than-thou attitude. I know that's not what you're trying to do but I'm saying, you think you might've been able to try and continue to make contact? I can understand if all you had was his FA but I tend to try and keep at least 2 forms of communication in case shit like this goes down.
Also, dropping victim's name + calling out FA in general = adding fuel to the fire because you're bound to piss someone off and they'll lash out at him in order to get to you.

I'm sorry it happened, just do what you can and pray for the best. If you wanna talk about it more it might be best if we discussed it privately, hell drop me an IM or call me, i don't mind.

But instead of lashing out at massive group mixed with furries, easily butthurt bigots, /b/tards, goonies, lulzsec [Hi Anon!], and 10 year olds who think Battlefield 3 is the shit, maybe we can work on something that works.


On a slightly related note, trying to win an internet fight is like explaining the science of politics to a Styrofoam cup. It doesn't happen.


P.S. Karma's a bitch. Trust me.

What the hell is wrong with people these days, they feel like shit so they take it upon themselves to slam others into the dirt just so they can have the gratification of thinking their better than someone

im sorry to hear about this this is just not right ..... i hope that they are okay and not dead there are more good furs here on fa then bad ones.

Bullies should not exist and that's a fact well known by everyone... But stating lame opinions and doing nothing real about it get us nowhere... The real question here is this: WHAT WILL YOU DO ABOUT IT!?
Actions speak more than a thousand words and that's precisely what we need around here and EVERYWHERE!!

What the hell.. really? People need to just quit being dicks in general :(

i may not know anything about the topic but i will do my utmost to help in anyway, the fighting needs to end. and nobody needs to get hurt anymore. whatever past problems that happened can always be forgiven. and nobody is beyond redemption. point is, your friend needs all of our help. he's not alone, and i would like to be a little more in the loop if possible about what happened prior and more recently. everyone needs to band together and put an end to this violent hatred.

I'm a member of FA, I don't troll people, and you're trying to blame me for people harassing your friend when you are laying all their shit out in the open instead of focussing on him. If you know specific people who are harassing them, report those peopl, don't go all Chris crocker on FA.

Thank you all for the support, you all have helped me prove that I'm no longer the in-mature, lust filled, teen I was back then and now a respectable adult *Bows* I commend you all for your efforts

I'm very happy that you're okay. But next time you're not feeling okay, please talk to someone. D: It's better than staying locked up.

It's immature, not in-mature. Seems you haven't grown up enough to realize how to spell words properly.

Autocorrect my good sir, I don't really care if it is mispelt or not, you get what I meant, I'm not super fantastic at grammer

That's no excuse and you know it, young man.

Eh

Eh?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

I'm just being silly now. I'll stop.

Lol, that icon kinda fits in perfectly

I thought so, too.

Lol

*hugs* Glad you are ok!

We all make mistakes. You've learned from yours, so I wouldn't worry too much about the guys who are still harassing you for it. Surround yourself instead with people who care about who you are today, not how you were yesterday!

Wow, I've read now through all these comments, trying to process them, from both sides. But now that I see you are still up there, I don't care about all these comments anymore, sincerely.

I don't know you buddy, I've never heard about you until that journal from mydnyte,...the only thing I wanna say to you is. Believe in yourself. Every person can grow beyond what he thinks he or she can accomplish. So believe in you and your life that lies ahead of you. There is so much you can do, so much you can finish. So please go on. Be strong, buddy.

I managed to nab a look at the link before it got taken down, but only for a moment because I was at work.

That was some seriously sick shit. I recall him leaving a few pleasant comments around my page; I had no idea anything was going on, and I never would have guessed. Whoever... thought of that is a fucking disgrace to humanity.

In all honesty, I have no idea what happened but the way you describe it is like he did something horrible and he is extremely sorry.. in my mind, that's like a murderer being extremely sorry for the people they killed and that they should be forgiven for feeling bad for it.

Like I said, I have no idea what happened or what is going on but the way you explain it that's just the image that comes to my mind.

I have no idea who this kid is and why you should be ashamed you know him, but regardless, I agree with your journal completely.
Bullying is one of the lowest possible things someone can do to another.. I don't get why anyone can justify it or even sleep at night knowing they've made someone's life hell.

Hoping the best for your friend. :C

x-x What the hell is going on, on FA. This is so horribly wrong!! Me shall pass it along too!

I'm glad to hear this guy's okay, but I still wanted to say this to those people upset about the other points of view on the journal, and as I think it's very good advice for a lot people to adhere to, especially those considering suicide, I'll post it.


Suicide is a horrible thing, but there are ways to get around it. Bullies are often the scapegoat when the real problem ultimately is this person had NO HELP for his mental problems and the suicidal thoughts.

There are trolls and bullies and such all over the internet. This isn't new, so as such it should be expected ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A FURRY and especially if his actions, from what I heard, were of an attention whore nature. That's kinda obvious it's going to stir up trolls out of the woodwork. So it should've been expected. And as such, they should've been reported and blocked and he should've gotten further PROFESSIONAL help if he found that even blocking or ignoring them didn't make him feel any better.

At that point, it became an issue he needed to find help to learn to adapt to. You cannot always stop all the bullies, especially over the net, and there are much worse people are going through and came out of it. So to equate his suicidal attempts, or anyones, over people being mean is ridiculous.

Yes, bullying should stop.

Yes, I feel sorry for the guy.

But I'm also a realist. And if internet trolling lead to this guy feeling he needed to take his own life, then he obviously needed more help than his friends on FA could provide. At that point, he needed to see a therapist. And they would tell him that no amount of mean words or trolling is worth his life.

Suicide is ALWAYS the decision of the person attempting it. Everything might build up, sure, but there are a BUNCH of different ways to handle the situation, ways that got skipped and overlooked before choosing the last resort (not that it even should be a resort). That was his choice.

I do hope that people realize that they're being horribly mean to the guy, but just because one group of trolls my stop, doesn't mean he wont' do something else to cause them to come back again, and as I said before, you can't take out ALL bullies, so if he's going to resort to suicide every time, then the internet shouldn't be a place for him to be.

This set of bullies for this issue may dissapear, inprobable, but let's just pretend they did. He'll do or say something, or hell, make a damn typo and get flamed and harrassed. Hell I got a rude shout from someone the other day, someone I never spoke to, just because they didn't like my character. So just because this group leaves, another will return, and you can report until you're blue in the face, it's not going to chase away all the bullies. He's HAS to learn how to handle it better. Or this will just keep happening.

^This. Yes.

Having been on both ends of this issue (overcoming being suicidal and helping friends who were), I would just like to add that most of the people who SAY they will or want to commit suicide NEVER WILL. The people who do commit suicide tend to never talk about it. If they did talk about it, they would talk about to a friend who would tell them they shouldn't, and then they would become part of the group who talks about it and will never do it. See the cycle?

As an outsider who read all these comments (I have never heard of spoken to this person before), I would also like to add that he sounds like he has Borderline Personality Disorder. I know two people, one being my mother, who have this disorder. It is usually only diagnosed in teenagers, and by what I can tell, he has every symptom of it. This "disorder" is much better described by its nickname - Drama Queen Disease. Lots of furries seem to have it. He pretended to kill himself once because he wanted the attention, and the only reason he, or most other people, talk about wanting to commit suicide is just that - to get attention. It's a cry for help. Instead of throwing it out in front of the entire site where he will get exactly what he wants and doesn't need, you should have contacted the authorities or (if you could) his parents, who should have taken him to a hospital.

The OP in one comment said this person took a handful of pills. If he was still awake enough to type that to him, then the boy either A) was lying, or B) took pills that did nothing but make him feel bad. Most medicines these days have additives purposely to keep people from being able to kill themselves that way. The worst they will do is make you vomit. One of my close friends tried that one. My husband once did (before we met) as well. It doesn't work. Ironically, Tylenol can kill you, but it takes overdosing repeatedly for several weeks. It causes extremely painful organ damage - which can be fixed with a transplant, but you probably won't merit one if you did it to yourself.

Bullies are a fall guy. I did not see the link, but it really just sounds like someone being a troll. It doesn't sound like they were doing anything obscene. They were being mean and probably rude, but anyone in a right state of mind would have blocked them, reported them, and then shrugged it off. The fact that this became an issue only proves the point.

Even if he did not attempt suicide, as I conjectured he wouldn't, and as it appears he didn't (he posted above), this does not solve the issue. He should be seeing a therapist and should preferably be on anti-depressants. If he is too emotionally fragile to handle someone saying something bad to him over the internet, then he should get away from the internet. There will always be trolls and bullies who will say something bad once in a while. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

All I could think of reading through this mess of drama was this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZiRT8Nwkk

Glad to see someone else who is able to see the realistic points this issue provides instead of going "Oh my god...you're cold and heartless. block block block"

Thank you for this input. I agree completely!

I keep hearing about cyberbullying on FA and thankfully haven't encountered it myself yet. Cyberbullying is a real thing though and it is a crime. It's just plain cruel and not how one should treat his fellow man, period.

Still, I get nasty comments from people all the time on youtube, some trying to attack me personally, and usually I'm pretty good at hitting them right back. The danger of the internet community is that it allows for these kinds of attacks to occur to the victim without a safety net or filter, and the attackers get to hide behind anonymity.

I have yet to encounter bullying on FA, and I'm sure if I do, I'll be prepared for it, as the youtube comments tend to be nastier.

Hopefully your friend is alright and didn't off himself over some stupid bullies on FA.

all i can say is wow... people really suck these days, someones past is their own and if they want to change it, that decision needs to be suported. Your really kind for helping this kid out, and your right, if the kid does end up dead, its murder, and i hope the people that have turtured this guy feels so bad he wont be able to live with themselves. i feel terrible and i have never heard of this guy before. I put my best wishes in hope hes still with us and able to get more help. If he ever needs another friend who wont judge him in anyway, ill be more then happy to talk to him and help him get the people who harrassed him kicked off the site. Best wishes to him and all the others who are tortured like this. I know how they feel in a scence.

I disagree on the last comment.Suicide is a choice.It takes time to think over.Personally I don't care for people that do kill themselves.Only for the fact they abandon everyone that loves them and is basically saying.."Hey.You're not worth living for.Our good times aren't good enough."I agree that people should stop picking on people but I do think that if you do something horrible you need to take responsibility for it.I dont know what the guy did that people picked on him for,but you can't blame them for not forgiving the guy.Its hard to trust people on a dime.It'll take time.Its like if you had someone in rehab that keeps relapsing its hard to trust that they're going to stop after so many times they fail.It takes more than wanting to change to change.You can give people the tools but its up to them to actually use them.
I don't support the guy for the suicide attempt,but at the same time I don't know the guy . 3 .
But I am a supporter of change.
(no clue what he did)

If you want to remove this comment I understand.but these are my opinions on this subject.

"sticks and stones can break my bones, but words do MORE than hurt me"

this pisses me the fuck off. it's shit like this that lessens people's faith in humanity. open your fucking EYES people!