Retweeted and supported. Doing the same.

There was another shooting? :/

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201.....nnecticut?lite

Crazy fucking world. Not even a student this time?

doesn't sound like it. i can't stand to read into all the facts right now

The son (in his 20's) of a teacher at the school, actually.

I'd heard it was a parent o,o

That's what they were originally saying, but they later said that the gunman was the son of a kindergarten(?) teacher and that was one of the main classroom he opened fire on.

That's what I heard anyway. I've been watching nonstop news coverage on it for hours.

The one news source is weird saying he had two pstols but they found rifle rounds as well as they supposedly found a body at his residence (?) and arrested someone in the surrounding woods ?

I heard about those too, but the news I was watching ended before they got anymore information about it. D:

The son of the teacher killed a sibling in their home first before going to the school.

The son and his friend went to the principal's office and opened fire which was heard on the loudspeaker and the school went into lockdown. The son of one of the teachers went to her classroom and killed her as well as several students before offing himself (so it's said), another said the cops/SWAT shot him as he left. His friend was caught and is in question.

Thanks for the info! I wonder what in the world prompted him to do something so horrible. :C

Ryan Lanza, 24, older brother of Adam Lanza, questioned by police but not labeled a suspect, three law enforcement officials say

http://gma.yahoo.com/breaking-conn-.....opstories.html

inb4 gun control debate.

Debate is as follows, issue more concealed handgun licenses :|

That doesn't really mean anything....

this is not the time or place to be pushing gun control have some respect for the children

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its been said before, ill say it again here guns don't kill people, 'people' kill people, no mater how strict you make gun control the black market will 'always' be there...if wanted to i could probably go out, right now, and buy an ak-47 and have it overnight-ed to me, in a plane unmarked box, without much fuss [ited cost me about as much as a new car probably, but i could get it done] it sucks, its horrible, and i personally would like to dig the bastered out of hell and lock him in a room with the parents of the victims and every creative torture implement i could find...but..thats just how it is.

yeah but then thats like saying why bother having any laws in place if people are just going to go out of their way to get around them....I dont think that kind of thinking is very proactive.
The Brady bill was implemented for a reason.
It should also be noted that if people are not able to acquire a firearm legally then its probably assumed they are dangerous individuals who shouldn't be allowed the 'right' to own or operate one.
Of course I dont think anyone should have the 'right' to easily and blatantly own any weapon in which people may come to harm weather they are of sound mind or not.

and another flawd point, your logic there would deprive people of alot more then 'guns' dude...a 'golf club' can kill somebody if you hit them hard enough with it, hell you can kill person with a spoon if your determined enough,w e are fragile fuckers weather most of us wana admit it or not...im sorry but the simple fact is, you can take away anythig you want, if a person wants to kill another person...there gonna find a way to do it...anyway im done talking about this, i dont like to dwell on the dark places too long, its not in my nature...i like to keep up beet and happy and i cant do that while im thinking about.....things like this

No gun law would have stopped what happened in Connecticut. Adam Lanza even tried himself to get his hands on a weapon at a nearby gun store 2 weeks prior, but was turned down by the background check. He had to murder his own mother and steal her weapons in order to kill those teachers and students at Sandy Hook. And to add to your misinformed assumption, the AR-15 wasn't even used that day. It was sitting in the trunk the whole time, and even that is questionable because the video taken of the officer pulling the gun out makes it out to be a pump action shotgun.

On top of that, these "evil" rifles you talk about are nothing more than civilian sporting rifles dressed up in tactical accessories to make them look cool. Real military weapons are illegal to purchase in the US (besides a few states, though the paperowrk and taxes that come with it make it too much of a hassle to bother with). These "scary" guns are no more lethal than your run of the mill ranch rifle. They are both the same weapons, except that one is black and the other is made of wood. Besides that, they are the same gun.

And like my friend was pointing out earlier, this was neither the time or place for you to be crying for gun control. You should have waited a week at least before voicing your opinion. What you did was rather offensive and a total disrespect for the people who died that day.

You do know that almost all handguns are semi automatic? o,o

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What post? :O

classy

lol this is still going?

No, but i stumbled across this journal by chance. Your friend here must be brain dead or something, because he thinks I'm you.

Just realized my mistake. I meant to comment on one of your previous remarks about keeping silent and refraining from making political remarks. I made a similar remark to the person you were talking to, and he assumed I was you. lol

ROFL fucking lib tards blind rage

Do you even know what "Semiautomatic" means? News, mijo: Just about every gun sold or used today is semiautomatic. No, in fact that has shit-all to do with fully automatic. Learn your facts before you open your mouth about it.

Yes, there is a need. If you're not going to learn what you're talking about then abstain from voting on it.

*nods in silence*

This is getting out of hand.
It feels like it was just a short time ago we had that dreadful shooting in that cinema.....

Just saw this myself. My mind is numb just processing what happened. Currently in shock about it...my thoughts and prayers go out to all those affected by this horrible tragedy.

I will do the same

I am just getting moving today... tragic news spreads so much more quickly than good news. :(

If it Bleeds, it Leads, sad fact of Life, and the media.

I heard this on the news already, it is like Columbine CO. all over again, except in CT.

I am lighting 18 little white candles tonight and let them burn until they burn out. One for each little soul lost today. I do this instead of silence since part of my work requires me to be active online.

;..;

Make that twenty candles...

the article I see said 29. 22 of them kids

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art.....ut-school.html

Watching news on the TV number they have given of kids is at 20. There are 27 people dead...but I am lighting a candle for each child killed. Probably will buy more than just 20 just in the horrible case of more found.

:(

thank you for your support, Dragoneer. this is in my home town at my old preschool. I hope everyone I know including my neighborhood are all safe. and my highest condolences go out to the families effected...

Saw this is the news a few minutes ago. Terrible...

In the Immortal Words of Herbert Morrison- "Oh, The Humanity!"

Jeebus! Reposted to Facebook...

It's akin to a "moment of silence". Only via internet means.

it doesn't really make it better. it's just a sign of respect for the departed

Not at all, stuff like this needs to be discussed, because its a yearly happening (especially in the states), Its not specifically about gun control... its about reshaping the way we see things and minimizing this disgusting obsession with guns/glorifying violence... its so sad. and I think it needs to be said... We need to inform people that this happens, its a tragedy that has kept repeating itself often in the last decade... its sickening.... we aren't doing enough to prevent it.

I agree with you 100 percent, doesn't do anything and honestly not sure how it shows "respect", in all honesty it feels more like something you just tell people like "oh well look at me I am being silent by not posting textually" because social media is just that big that it really means anything xD

people were MURDERED the silence is a sign of respect for there departure wether you know them or not at least give them the courtesy of your hopes and prayers in the very least if you cant be silent

wow so much hate i dont even know you sorry that you think that though *shrugs* and i was repsonding becuase i thought you seemed a bit callous about the matter

wow dude i dont even know you calm down christ sake seriously im a total stranger here and you want to beat my face in? wow way to be friendly to a fellow fur

im serious i have no idea what your talking about we didnt even talk on skype

*Shakes head* That is just uncalled for, tisk tisk. :(

maby you should log out of FA for the night and respect the dead instead of arguing over menial crap

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Roo - think about all of your buddies in the Armed Forces.

Veteran's Day. What would your friends in the Forces say if you said 'you know what? Let's not hold a moment for the guys of Charlie Company that got blown to bits last month. That won't help them at all!'.

They'd beat the shit out of you, you massive tool. Holding silence is a mark of respect - something you obviously don't have. You're a fucking cunt, go catch the next bullet for me, would you?

Oh, this is a gem... you first make inappropriate comments in response to a terrible, terrible tragedy - and then cry about being 'trolled' when you get backlash.

You, Sir, need to step away from the Internet. Honestly, back up a little there.

That will accomplish nothing.

I will pray very hard tonight because honestly I dont know what to say...killing kindergarteners, what the fuck world?

I'm afraid to even go see the hobbit movie due to incidents like this. Some guy dressed like Gandalf holding a tommy gun may burst in. That may seem funny, but it could happen.

The likelihood of that happening is about as likely as you getting hit by a lightning bolt.

.......What?

like the shooting at the midnight premier of the new batman movie earlier this year

I know of that. Just.. It seemed so out of context and nothing to do with what was being said.

Public Shootings. It was in context...

Just the hobbit, gandalf with a tommy gun, part. It was an odd thing to say.

0/10

No pandas were harmed during this trolling.

We need more mental health access, maybe an "early warning" system that helps find these people early intervention.

I also posted my opinion and plea for such here: https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4126328/

Thought-police would TOTALLY make everything better. Down with Addington v. Texas.

Not what I was talking about.

Guns control.


It won't completely fix the problems.
NOTHING EVER EVER -COMPLETELY- fixes problems.


But goddamnit, you can get a gun in the united states in WALMART.

How is that a GOOD thing? HOW?

Read my journal. Gun control is based off of RCT, and not all criminals use RCT.

RCT = Rational Choice Theory

Rational choice on criminals.

Right.

But it doesn't mean you make it EASIER for that sick pedo killer and put guns at walmart or ALMOST EVERYWHERE.


Like I said, gun control won't fix completely a problem that comes from a sick mind.
Nothing can -completely- fix a problem.
But it doesn't mean that there is NO NEED to try to make it even harder for those sickos to get guns.


And my question remains: what GOOD comes from having guns as easy to buy that they are found on WALMARTS?
What good is SO precious that they NEED to be there, even if it means a possible VERY REAL danger to others?


Why do you think school shootings happen mostly in the united states and so often there?
Don't you see a pattern?

I agree. Obviously criminals will find a way to get guns...that goes without saying. But perhaps sickos like these people we'll be able to stop by making it harder to get guns.

The logic A LOT of americans seem to have, is:

> Sickos will always get guns
> Give the teachers guns!
> Give the kids guns?
> Give EVERYONE GUNS!!!

Now everybody has guns.
THERE. A SAFER COUNTRY.


.... WHAT THE SHIT!??!?!


I repeat: OF COURSE -some- sickos WILL find out a way to get an illegal arm (illegal if they were banned, like in most civilized countries)
OF COURSE they will find a way.

Does it mean, that they SHOULDN'T make it HARDER???
I mean, for fuck's sake! BUYING GUNS AT A SUPERMARKET?!?!? that's ... ...that blows everybody's minds around the world, except some americans apparently.
They want and love their guns MORE than caring about the RISK it creates to let anyone get one.


There are bullies ALL over the world
sickos ALL over the world.
But you hear the "school shootings" and "office shootings" a LOT in the united states.
A lot more than WHAT IT SHOULD.

Americans need to SEE THE PATTERN HERE, and ban the goddamn guns.

Petty sports and stupid shootings at some gun-fair, are NOT worth -ADDING- risk of shootings and adding MORE chances for these sicko pedo killers to get a gun and kill.


Of COURSE "Guns don't kill people" People do.

DOESN'T MEAN YOU ADD RISKS
DOESN'T MEAN IT ISN'T WORTH IT TO REDUCE RISK.



It will ALWAYS be worth it to reduce the risk.
It won't be 100% effective. NOTHING is 100% effective for fuck's sake.
But STILL it is ALWAYS worth it to keep on REDUCING risks!!!

Why do you think we have background checks?

Maybe we should also add mental health evaluations, instead of limiting access to guns?

I will never stress this enough:

R E D U C E T H E R I S K S


Even if it doesn't solve 100% the problem, cause nothing does


R E D U C E T H E R I S K S



.... Who in their right minds defends more the right to carry guns and to sell them at supermarkets, ABOVE CHILDREN DYING IN SHOOTINGS, because it was EASY for that sicko to get a gun, surely at some supermarket.

There is a pattern.

You can argue ALL you want, the pattern is STILL THERE, and it is happening as a United States problem.
You cannot cover the sun with one thumb.




Unbelievable that americans prioritize the ease access to have guns and -NOT- THE EASE ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE FOR THE MENTALLY ILL.


Reduce, the risk.
It will always be worth it.

Reduce the risk.


Make it MORE DIFFICULT, MORE MORE AND MORE difficult, MORE each time, HARDER, make it VERY DIFFICULT to get guns, instead of selling them at the grocerie store.
It will -ALWAYS- be worth it to reduce the risk.
Does it solve the problem? No.
It helps? Yes. you bet your damn ass it does help.

Reducing the risks by increasing gun control isn't the answer though. Hell, from my understanding the New England states have stricter gun controls than in Oregon, and this -still- happens.

As much as the news will contradict this, crime has been going down, and it's -not- because of this, nor because of tougher laws, nor because of the "Truth in Sentencing Laws." (Compare Oregon to New York and California. New York and California has a LESS incarceration rate than Oregon, and crime there is STILL DROPPING in both states)

Gun control is not the problem, NOR is it the solution. Both the republicans and the gun control advocates are WRONG.

Mental health IS the answer.

doesn't mean we should let any yahoo that wants a gun, to have a gun. And I am fully in favor of mental health evaluations.

its not enough, the USA has the most gun violence of any north american country (maybe mexico has more, I'm not sure) But though this still happens in Canada, its not nearly as frequent.... it happens in the states a lot, like a looooot...

Mental health evaluations sound like a great idea, actually.

https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4126328/

Read this, please.

gun control will only work when criminals obey the law.

yeah, let's NOT reduce the risk. Not worth it, right?



United States, where:

- Ease of access to guns > Ease of access to healthcare for the MENTALLY ILL
- A person with a gun did that? Let's give everybody else guns so that they defend themselves! ...Now everybody has guns! SAFER COUNTRY! /StupidLogic
- Constant shootings on schools, offices, etc.

- Not seeing the pattern
- Defending guns > Children massacre
- Gun fair, Sports, Shooting empty cans, FUN FUN FUN > The risk it causes when guns are that easy to get, ...for fun, right?

- Reducing the risk and making it harder for criminals and sickos? ...nah, not worth it. LET'S SELL GUNS AT THE SUPERMARKET.



Wake up, united states.
Your logics and priorities are upside down.



Reducing the risk isn't magically solving a problem.
There isn't FULL solutions for problems.
Reducing the risk IS STILL a -MUST-, cause it DOES make a difference.

I agree with you

We don't nearly have as much gun violence in Canada, you can still get a gun here... we're just don't think its necessary and it works for us.... Fear compels us to often do irrational things... I think its sad if you feel you need to carry a gun...

The ease of access to firearms which Americans enjoy is enshrined in our Constitution, second only in importance to freedom of speech. Why? So the American populace can defend itself.

Would you prefer that only criminals have guns? Because remember, if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

Shootings are nowhere near as constant as you'd have us believe, and the real risk of guns comes from those who know little about them. Gun safety and training is important.

"Reducing the risk and making it harder for criminals and sickos? ...nah, not worth it. LET'S SELL GUNS AT THE SUPERMARKET."

Welp. What is wrong with this line? It's not made harder for criminals to acquire guns just by making it impossible for law-abiding citizens to do so. And no, guns aren't sold at the supermarket, you putz.

You are literally the worst kind of fearmonger, spewing illogic in defense of your own insane aims.

Hey man less violence in places with more gun control! Also a lot of the criminals in the states are in jail on stupid charges like marijuana posession...

I'm not scared at all I proudly refuse to carry a gun or knife, it makes you look scared for feeling that you need to carry one.

You...what? It doesn't make you look 'scared,' it makes you look responsible for having the ability to defend yourself if needed. I carry a knife with me practically everywhere I go, clipped to my belt. Not only is it practical (You have any idea how often one needs to cut something apart or open?), it's an effective means of self-defense.

that's kind of the point.



But I can see you are gunning hard (lol, pun maybe intended) for that Darwin Award. There's a reason people don't bring knives to gunfights. If people like teachers were allowed to have guns, the death toll could've been lessened considerably. The world is growing more chaotic by the day and preventing good, law-abiding people from adequately defending themselves (unless you're some kind of magic wizard who can dodge bullets) is the pinnacle of retardism.

I think maybe the States are getting crazier everyday.. A knife can kill btw, just fyi... It may be effective for self defence but do you really feel emotionally and mentally fit to injure or even kill some one in the name of self defence? Don't you realize that this sort of indoctrinated fear, need to carry guns is one of the reasons the states has a bad rep..?

you know I've owned knives before but i feel that its unnecessary... its an endless cycle... its sad.

I still don't know what you mean by "indoctrinated fear." There are people who want to do bad things to you, and sticking your head in the sand and pretending that everything's hunky-dory and everyone's your buddy is worse than stupid.

"but do you really feel emotionally and mentally fit to injure or even kill some one in the name of self defence?"

Yes. Yes I do. If someone's gonna come up to me and try to take what's by rights mine? You're damn right I'm gonna turn around and foul up their day.

Well I don't think its necessary, why do you think *those people* are carrying guns and knives, etc?

Plus USA is a country of fear, look at the sensationalism of 9/11. I understand what you're saying, I'm not calling you stupid or anything, but I get a very different vibe when I go down the the States and not exactly a friendly one. Canada has lots of faults, sure it can be dangerous here too, but there is just *so* much violence in the states... it has some of the most violent history of any westernized country.. something is obviously not quite right..

The difference between a knife and a gun is that with all knives you have to be very close to the person in order to kill or maim them but with a gun you can be at a safer distance and still kill or maim the idiot. Someone shoots you, what you do? Do you A. pull out your hunting knife running towards them and kill/maim them B. pull out your gun to put a bullet in them (maiming/killing) C. do you run and hide with your knife. In all reality, you don't have time to think about the protection or the concern for your attacker(s). You either kill/maim your attacker or be killed by your attacker! Indoctrinated fear? Home invasions, school shootings, movie theater massacre(s); have you been watching the news lately? Such events prove that no matter where you are (at home or at school or at a movie theater, even a bank) you're not safe.

This country only has a bed reputation because idiots are allowed to have a gun. And by that I mean they find whatever means necessary to get a gun. I can't wait to hear the laughable excuse as to why this 26 year old man felt the need to shoot off at innocent kids and what's even more hilarious is that in almost (if not all) the shooter(s) kill themselves(s).

Sorry I disagree with you.

I think these happen because their is fear, its a cycle, and it just keeps happening, you cannot suppress violence with violence.. it just makes no sense.

Yeah, it happens because there's a fear there's the possibility that the person behind you wants to kill you (should there be a reason if any). It's a cycle alright, when no one does anything but 'pray'. Suppressing violence will never happen of course but that's different from defending yourself.

umm.. yeah sure then

And that's exactly why school shootings, home invasions etc etc still happen, childish logic for you right there.

this is not the time for discussing gun control respect the dead and hold your political ideas for a later date

It's going to be discussed whether you like it or not.

Say that all you want bro but it's not going to happen.

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Oh you mean your hidden post. XD As long as things like this happen everything is going to be discussed concerning it, don't like it? Don't pay attention to it and go back to lighting candles and praying then.

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Confronted with logic and I give you the broken record. XD

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It's hidden bro but cool story anyway. I care about the situation more than the dead seeing as there's nothing I can do for the dead now do yourself a favor and go back praying. XD. (Here let me help you with that.)

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Yeah except that you made yourself look like a self righteous, pompous jackass in the wake of a very tragic event. No shot there would be a debate on guns in the future, but seriously dude, right after students and teachers were murdered? The fuck is wrong with you?

Oh wow, really? You're still butthurt over looking like the twat you are I see. Moar leik dafuq is wrong with you, shadowrwolf? This is the 3rd time I have to block your blocke-evading ass.

People are always dying in some way and as far as shootings go I don't see you giving a fuck about any of the others that happened during 2012.

alright guys, peace, love and respect!

That's a joke comment right? if someones got a gun to my head and I have a knife and a clear shot at his leg *Or any part for that matter* I'M FUCKING TAKING IT.

>Guy gets stabbed drops gun and goes to jail (35% OR LESS chance he dies)
Or
>I get shot in the fucking face because I didn't feel the need to save myself from some moron with a gun..


Think about what you say.

sorry?

As an American who hates my country, I agree entirely.

Gun control will only keep the guns out of the law abiding citizen - a devoted criminal will simply look for the black market which will fund druglords instead of a sporting good store/firearms store. A criminal/gangbanger won't care if he isn't licensed to use the "piece" that he has.

The issue isn't the guns, it's the PEOPLE.
If you take away the guns the dedicated will find an alternative method.
Look around your house; you'll find an assorted array of potentially deadly weapons. Should we ban kitchen knifes and baseball bats?

Like I said; the issue is PEOPLE.
We need to put this effort into researching people's mental health and WHY they feel like this - and work on rehabilitating them.
THAT is the more efficient solution.

Done.

Just saw this at the laundromat.

I just retweeted it.

Sadly, I don't have Twitter, but... Why would anyone do this? What use is it to go shooting up an elementary school? I'd put this guy together with Anders Breivik. Sorry for everyone's loss.

Anders Breivik's cell:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/imag.....77177_ila7.jpg

I wouldn't put this shooter there, hah.


What about an electrical chair? To bring it back for old time's sake?
Or maybe guantanamo, where he'll be tortured and posibly raped for the rest of his miserable pathetic life. That would be better.


I know what you meant tho', putting him next to him on the list of fucked up people, to that level.
... Maybe more, since he shot CHILDREN.

The shooter himself is actually dead on the scene but this guy also killed his father in NJ, and his mother at the school so the only cell he's going to is his own grave he dug up himself.

Sir/madam, wishing torture on anyone is disgusting. I understand the urge for revenge, the anger and revulsion at this boy's acts. But also understand, he was probably mentally disturbed, meaning that he had deep-seated problems that it was possible that if more had been done to help the guy prior to this, that maybe he wouldn't have done such a horrible thing. I don't know what this fellow's situation was like, or if he had mental problems for any length of time, or if anyone had tried to have him treated, but the possibility that he may have killed both of his parents in addition to the kids, makes me wonder if he hadn't been abused in some way. The story of everyone who died in this is tragic, the killer's tale no less so...

Wishing torture on someone.... *sighs* Not cool.

Forgive me, but I must correct myself- his father is apparently still living. A lot of the early news reports that I was reading on Friday morning were rather unclear as to what was going on. Varying death-tolls (too high and too low), was there one shooter or two, who he'd killed and so on. Again, my apologies for the error.

gun control will work when criminals obey the laws.

no amount of prayer will bring those kids back (and its a douchey, empty gesture anyways). nor will candle-lightings or silence.

Just hug your kids or other loved ones while you can, and move on.

There is already enough sensationalism in this country anyways... but for some people a moment of silence helps ease the process.

I do not agree in any way whatsoever with what this person says.
The YouTube account which submitted the video also disagrees with the video's contents, but uploaded it in order to raise awareness of right-wing extremism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is2x7QTZ8AI

Disgusting little man...

Every time there's a national disaster you always have religious nut-jobs saying that it's god's way of punishing *insert group here*
They did this with Hurricane Sandy, the Tokyo earthquakes, any time any disaster happens be it natural or man-made.

They're just cuckoo.

This really fucking sucks. And to make it worse its the holiday season. Hearts out to the families and friends affected by this.

and this is the world that i might bring kids into in the future, thats what worries me. 18 children wont be able to open their presents this christmas cause of whoever this asshole is. my thoughts and prayers go out to the families who were hurt by this incident. i'm gonna feel terrible asing anybody for anything now knowing those kids had their lives taken from them before christmas.

you know, my mom thought about moving to Connecticut around that area, but i didnt feel like leaving Mass, and i'm glad my instinct was right. i feel terrible about what happened. no amount of compensation can fix the damage caused by this incident.

Sad to hear. It really is. I hope Connecticut finds some hope soon of enough for safety. But for know- it about being part of a team of comfort for the community to walk together in this dark day. Still I just hope some are still not in life threatening condition and able to be treated for there injuries.

I was just visiting my old home of CT. I was in for some follow ups and a friend's birthday when I heard. I never dealt with much of this growing up in the UK. In fact, don't even have guns in England. Police don't bare them anymore. Already people are debating about gun control and shit like that. But right now? Really? Here in America, I wonder about people's understanding of life and what it means. There is so much turmoil in the world, so much we can do for it in our capacity for good. This isn't a test. This isn't anything new. We can only be responsive to the call of what is human, to strive to rebuild and to do order with love and breed peace. Not all days are sad. Not all days are like this. But in the new days that follow we can only hope that what comes from this ensures that nothing like this happens again, not to a child, man or woman. And while we morn for these young souls, we can do the best to grow as a community for them. Because while they will never grow up, learn new things in school, meet new people, fall in love, the tomorrow that is known for them is different from ours. There is no sunrise, no way to say I love you, to hold or be held. We must grow up for them.

I will hold a moment of silence, what has happened here simply takes the words out of my mouth.
My thoughts will go to the families who have lost their loved ones.

And to Doggydog: "A wise man knows when to stop talking" ~whoever said that quote.
Aka. Stay on topic or don't reply at all. We're talking about the deaths of 27-29 children here while you're rambling on about your 'gun-control-safety'-USI parade.
As much as I agree with you on that, I agree with everyone else on your insensitivity towards the subject at hand. No offense.

Hear! Hear, sir/madam! *goes back to wishing comfort for the families of all involved*

What the fuck is going on over there?

Not sure how exactly giving a moment of silence, lighting a candle(s), or ( I lol hard at this one every time) pray but in any case do what you feel provides you some comfort in another tragedy that could've been avoided.

I wonder how long it's going to take for people to realize that just because you take away the guns criminals and nut cases are still going to find a way to obtain them by whatever means necessary. When taking away guns you take away the guns for law-abiding citizens to use to defend themselves when threatened or attacked. The school faculty could have had at least one gun or even a tazer (depending on how far it shoots) to protect themselves and these kids because lets think for a moment here:

School Faculty: 20+ people
Shooter(s): 1 people

The guy would have been outnumbered too easily but hey, "Guns.are.bad." Ugh!

I can't wait till they diagnose this sucker, should be hilarious because cartoons, movies, shows, video games and guns (themselves) are the roof of all evil.

The shit stain that carried it out is dead.

theres a second gunman still at large

I hadn't heard that. No matter what beef you have, there is no call for killing kids.

indeed and i sjut read the latest update the second gunman was caught is was the first brother and apprently a shit load of guns were found click neers link above in the journal shows the updates

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click neers link it shows the updates on the page

We do not need silence. We need gun control laws.

We always follow these tragedies with silence and they just keep happening more and more frequently. We need to start making it harder to buy guns. It IS guns that kill people. Would you let people buy a nuclear weapon? No? Then stop with the guns.

I will NOT tolerate this call for "silence" anymore. We must stand up and protest until the laws are changed. Those who are silent are just as responsible as the person who pulled the trigger.

I agree in your sense of taking action on this matter but criminals and the loonies are always going to be able to find away to get them.

It'll be harder to. Gun violence is much higher in states with higher gun ownership.

It'll make it more difficult but they'll always find a way. Hmmmm.

"Gun violence is much higher in states with higher gun ownership"
http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-10.....e-rate-rising/

New York has the strictest gun laws in the entire United States; but you still see and hear about gun crimes happening in New York City.

The rate of gun violence is far higher in states with less gun control. The South has an astronomically higher rate of violence than anywhere else in the US, and also tends to have the laxest gun control laws.

Take the gun away and the devoted will search for alternate means - sharp objects such as a kitchen knife, blunt objects such as a tire iron...
Devoted criminals who are devoted to commit an armed crime with a firearm will buy a firearm through a street dealer/black market - so instead of funding a gun store they'll fund drug lords.
The only people who will be restricted to their firearms will be the law-abiding citizen who never intends to use one in such a way - only for defense, collections, hunting, recreational target shooting etc.

Gun control is not the solution; it's the PEOPLE that are using these "tools"
If this person would have received the proper attention and psychiatric treatment this entire event could have been avoided.
Maybe add a psych test to one of the requirements of purchasing a firearm; making sure that the person buying the firearm is mentally sound? I'd be for that.

A gun is a tool for killing. Nothing else.

You can kill many times more people with a gun than others means.

Should we allow everyone to own their own nuclear weapon because, well, they will find a way to kill people anyway?

A murderer can also kill someone with a common steak knife - most serial killers/rapists don't use guns; they use knifes. Are we gonna start banning steak knifes too? Do I have to have a background check to be issued a steak knife at Outback Steakhouse before I can enjoy my sirloin steak?

You are far more likely to kill someone and can kill far more people with a gun. More powerful guns, like assault rifles, make it far easier to kill more people.

I mean, yes, you can strangle someone to death with your bare hands if you want to, but it's a lot harder than pulling the trigger from far away. Guns are very, very dangerous and are designed to make killing easier and to allow more people to be killed.

Again; this is all moot because a criminal will not give two shits about the law.

Do you think gun laws will suddenly take all the guns away from the gang bangers, drug dealers and human traffickers? Hell no; they're gonna stay armed and they'll do ANYTHING to keep their arms.
Do you think gun laws will suddenly make a bank robber stop and go "You know what; I don't have a license to own this firearm"? Hell no.

Gun control will NOT stop the criminals; they'll only make the law abiding citizen defenseless.

I'll repeat - the issue isn't guns, it's the PEOPLE. This entire shooting could have been avoided if this kid was taken to a shrink ("That boy needs therapy!")

I didn't say crime would go away completely, but stopping the manufacture of assault weapons for private use would definitely help. Most mass shooters are not the kind of people you are talking about anyway. "Gang bangers" and "drug dealers" are not the ones who have been committing recent mass shootings in America.

oh and with the recent talk of stricter gun laws - firearms sales have been sky-rocketing within the last few days in fear of gun control: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/.....-surge-america

Proving that history would pretty much repeat itself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohib....._United_States

regarding the nuclear weapon issue - that happened already: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_arms_race

So every individual in America may own their own nuclear weapon?

Alright I'll humor this discussion.

I fail to see the connection - an ICBM is meant to take out entire countries (and capable of causing global destruction) ; not as a personal self defense weapon.
Plus it's very impractical; I mean you have to do the arming sequence, opening the bay doors, warming up the ICBM's rockets, fire the missile, and wait for it to hit it's target - takes hours. :P
ICBMs are made by the government for the government - if an ICBM ever fell into citizen's hands then call Bruce Willis because we have a "Die Hard" scenario.

(However if you wanted to talk about the Cold War and the whole Arms Race debate I'd love to talk about that sometime - but that's not your intended subject sadly)
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Owning a pistol is not the same as owning a multi-billion dollar ICBM missile.
No, citizens should own weapons that are meant to cause MASS DESTRUCTION.

Also, citizens should not have the right of owning explosive weapons/MANPADS such as (but not limited to) RPG7s, FIM-92 Stingers, Javelin missiles, etc.

An assault rifle is not a self defense weapon either. So you should he happy to regulate them the same way that nuclear weapons are.

What reason is there to allow magazines containing 30 bullets? That is not required for self defense.

A handgun bought for self defense is more likely to be used to kill a family member than it is an intruder, but that isn't really pertinent to whether assault weapons and large magazines should be legal and how they should be regulated.

Gang bangers for example cannot own firearms because of their background and the way they use their firearms.
They purchase their firearms from the black market; from street dealers - they don't give two shits about permits, background checks or whatnot; it's just business to them.
Restrict firearms and these criminals will have the upper advantage; leaving the law-abiding citizen defenseless against these criminals.

A vast majority of mass shootings are committed using legally purchased guns.

doesn't matter effect stricter gun control, it will help curb some people.

I just don't see that happening.

won't know till you try. =]

I can agree with trying but as I said it's not going to work because what sense does it make to make it difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain a gun when criminals are going to get one anyway?

Second that.

Thank you.

stricter gun laws ensure that even the least unstable people are not allowed access to 'legal' ownership of a firearm. hence the people who have them have passed whatever hard tests needed to prove mental capacity and knowledge of firearm safety. While those who posses firearms without a license have gone around the law and should be labeled as dangerous for eluding the law.
Having relaxed laws and the 'black market' make it all to easy for any individual having a bad day to just snap and take out have the neighborhood.

I would agree with you if that actually happened but it hasn't and chances are it's never going to. Btw you seem familiar.

♠ It is unfortunate, but i still do not condone the use or ownership of firearms. it raises too many questions and no one wants to be held accountable for the actions until the innocent suffer because a select few feel their 'rights' are infringed upon and refuse to take a proactive approach to gun control.

I postulate one would have to be quite pessimistic to believe changes will never come. I thought it was only authoritative figures that tried to beat that way of thinking into people.

I've been around FA for a while but I never keep up appearances.
You may have seen my other username elsewhere.

That's all find and dandy but that's just you and not everyone just as I have my own opinion on this and feel that taking away guns isn't going to prevent criminals and pathetic nut cases from obtaining them in the end.

this is not the time or place to be pushing gun control have some respect for the children

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4127797/

Just FYI.

It's silence out of respect, rather than discussing and repeating the same information over and over... it's a matter of choosing to respect and honor the dead.

I think talking about how to prevent this from happening again is a far better way to honor the dead.

Do not stand at my grave and cry
I am not there, I did not die

When I saw this on Friday morning, I pretty much unplugged from the Net after posting a journal here with my own take on the situation (did it before I saw your entry). My heart goes out to the families of the kids, and of the shooter. This Adam Lanza fellow has been described as "painfully awkward" and the possibility that he was deeply disturbed in other ways has come up as a suggestion for "motive". Poor kids. Poor man. *sighs*'

My own personal hobby-horse: it's not about gun-control, folks, it's about paying some fucking attention to one's kids, especially if they are showing signs of having problems this severe. So often, I read reports about incidents like this and the shooter is nearly always described as "nice, but quiet", "had some emotional issues", "undiagnosed mental illness", "was diagnosed with..." etc. Time to start examining how we treat the mentally-ill, I think.

We avoid them, ostracize them, fear them, even mock those with depression, schizophrenia, personality disorders of various sorts, but we do little to nothing to actually help them. (an FYI: I have a severe mental illness that needs drugs to control. Without them, I would have tried to kill myself several times over. I doubt I have the turn of mind that would have me ever hurting anyone else, but believe me, the urge was there. Sometimes, there is massive rage with no obvious source...) I realize that, in most cases, the families have tried to reach out to them, at least on some level, but it's too often too little too late, and then someone else dies in a fiery shootout in a high-school, a college, a theatre, on the highway on the way to work...

Emotional pain is a community problem, not something to ignore.

My deepest condolences to the families of all involved.