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The Fur Affinity community has recently been the target of users/scammers selling stolen character designs. These recently created accounts have been primarily selling "adoptables", which may be re-selling stolen artwork from other artists on FA, DA, or VCL. In addition, they have been known to sell plush animals.
When buying from these accounts, it has been a common request that Paypal users send money as a 'Gift', so it cannot be disputed. If you feel an account is conducting suspicious activity, please submit a trouble-ticket on the issue.
As a general reminder, always be cautious when purchasing/buying goods from accounts with no established history on the site. We value our community of crafters, artists, creators and our users, and have been working to remove these malicious users from the site when/where possible.
Thank you
The FA Staff
When buying from these accounts, it has been a common request that Paypal users send money as a 'Gift', so it cannot be disputed. If you feel an account is conducting suspicious activity, please submit a trouble-ticket on the issue.
As a general reminder, always be cautious when purchasing/buying goods from accounts with no established history on the site. We value our community of crafters, artists, creators and our users, and have been working to remove these malicious users from the site when/where possible.
Thank you
The FA Staff
Just be wary of accounts that have no content, no history, have been made within the last week that have absolutely no foothold, but seem to be selling a lot of things. It's rather questionable. These accounts tend to post items, then immediately remove them right after.
I don't accept payments until people like what they see, but what they see is of such low quality, it cannot be posted or traced
It's "nnnn" repeated ad infinitum.
For example, 1/30 = 0.0(3)
Thanks for the info tough
Also, I didn't know you use that for periodic fractions... I know it is used for negations and simple fractions...
fraction is completely different XP
(I got taught the bar notation; see Wikipedia's thoughts on the subject)
And thinking of it, our notation has two distinct advantages -- ASCII-compatible and can't be confused with anything else (the only use of vinculum I knew before is for negating digits format).
You should be able to feel comfortable asking about your commission status without fearing the artist will lash out, ignore you or in any way act out. There is no reason you should have to wait several months to get your commission unless it was discussed beforehand that the wait is that long. Communication and integrity are integral parts of successful business. You should always do your best to satisfy your customers.
Im sorry you've had such bad experience with your commissions, there is really no excuse for it. :(
The problem is not waiting (if the commission is urgent or has a deadline, I mention it) -- you can see that I am fine with waiting if you check my profile. The problem is, you only have 45 days to dispute the paypal transaction and usually just a month to dispute other kinds, so if you were "on hold" for a while and the artist decides they rather just rip you off, there's nothing you can do.
Add the FA policy forbidding calling such folks out and it becomes really funny business, pun intended.
Now as for Defamation of another user: YOU ARE NOT DEFAMING THEM IF YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH. If their reputation is being hurt because of true statements and the bad business they are doing it is completely their fault. As long as you tell the truth and are not slandering them (slander and libel are false statements used to hurt someone's reputation) you are ok. Just be honest.
As for doubling your commission price after the deal has been made and you've already paid, that's extortion and is unlawful. Of course trying to bring that to court may be difficult and not worth the time and money in the long run for furry art, but it is illegal and you are dealing with a con-artist (pun intended?). You are in every right to warn others in a neutral, nonaggressive manner of your circumstance.
I have actually been thinking about making a public feedback page (outside of FA) for my commissioners so they can let others know how their experience working with me was. I think something like that would help people feel less like they're taking a risk, because I completely understand why.
Anyway there is a website you can post on, it's better than nothing, have you tried this?: http://artists-beware.livejournal.com
They totally should have an official section like that on forum here...
Unless I have a "YCH" kinda thing, I charge after I've drawn it, but before I put the commission online. That way the person gets the commission as soon as they pay and I don't get ripped off... often.
There are a few people who have said they had the money and then not been able to pay...
I completely understand why artists ask for payments upfront, but it's a pain in the butt waiting months for a commission.
When artists are less known I prefer to pay after receiving the art. I have found that lesser known / new artists who are actually good do this.
I know most artists tend to do this, they don't typically throw away the working file after they've done an image. and I'm sure most of us are willing to prove that we did our own work... most of us have to fight damn hard for the little recognition we do get. to hear about people finding new and fantastic ways to SCAM PEOPLE... well it's kinda disheartening.
long story short... most real artists will keep a record of their work readily available, as it's promotional to their own business... and scam artists can die in a fire :P
But yeah, someone stole a fursuit head. :\
[ the makers name.]
but to a random crook, it's just a costume head..
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9430492/ That's the wanted banner she did to alert watchers and the furry community.
I mean, it could have been some stupid immature kids who broke in, didn't see anything they really wanted, but then OMG GIANT WOLF HEAD!! AWESOME!
If it WERE from within the fandom... well ,that person is a complete idiot because it would be incredibly recognizable. you can't sell it, you can't wear it outside your home, it's more useless than if random kids took it.
It's full of semen.
Aaaaand if you'll excuse me I'll be in hell.
So I've gotten to the point where I watch the person for a few months. See if what they say and do is ture then commission them. But I have mostly just stuck to the ones I know I can trust and known for quite awhile.
I know a lot of people on here ARE honestly going through rough times and need the money, but I don't trust the whole "my dog is sick"
If you type "my dog is sick, I need money, halp!" on this site you get a LOT of people clamouring to help you. It's nice, but scammers use this.
What's next, a UI update?
Furthermore, how do you make sure neither person is ripping the other off? What if the artist lies to the service about what the commissioner wanted, or vice versa? You'd have to pay folks to basically be commission sleuths to sort through the he-said she-said sides of the story. At some point you either have to deliver artwork or send money first, and at that point someone is being given the benefit of the doubt - a lot of folks circumvent that by doing sloppy sketch first, or partial payment up front, etc. - but it's the crux of the problem.
No matter what service exists there'll likely be ways to abuse it, the best everyone can do for now is DO NOT HESITATE to point out artists, or commissioners, who are lazy, who scam, or similar. Too many people wait years and years just letting themselves be strung along by artists who will never deliver, but it's okay because they are "busy" or "popular." Too many of them get away with it, and folks need to stand up to them!
Anyways, it'd be a neat idea to have a third-party/escrow service, but the legalities would be quite a few hurdles to get over in the first place, especially considering the international nature of FA and its users.
is it really that hard to make your own sparkly rainbow wolf herm character?
FURRY BAD
I don't know what's so hard for folks to understand that this isn't really any different than any company buying another company's IP assets.
This is literally just like Disney purchasing LucasFilm. Sure, they could have come up with their own...but they didn't want to, they wanted the originals.
I believe the main concern others have is they often all are based off the same design. (Though there are original adoptables available.) But once you buy it, you'll get art in other poses, by other artists, and make it your own, giving it your own uniqueness. It won't stay "cookie cutter."
That may just be my opinion, but I believe it's reasonable. :)
But there's a point where I stop crediting others, and just start going "This is my character.", ya know?
and I totally get it. I have adoptables of my own that I've made great use of. :3
I've seen some I'd like, but without PayPal... X3 One day I'll get it, though. I need to donate to FA to help keep it going.
When a company buys another company's IP assets, it's generally because they think they can make money off of it.
I've yet to see someone buy an adoptable with a similar goal (and if someone did, knowing the furry community, they'd catch hell for it).
If I were to do something with my adoptable that made me money, the original creator has no say any more. I own the character entirely, and that goes for stuff that doesn't make me any money and stuff that does.
They are my asset now. :P
I still think it's fucking stupid.
I don't care if you like the idea. That means nothing to me. I am entitled to my opinion, and you to yours.
I am neutral, as I see why some may complain about originality in "cookie cutter" designs. (Though original designs are also seen offered.) However, I see no need to disrespect those who see something that they like and purchase it, or who want to create but haven't the ability. Such is commerce.
People are free to purchase what they wish. A market developed to fill a need. Like it or not, it won't be going away.
Have a good evening.
Also: if I create more designs than I can use, why shouldn't I be able to sell them to people who may be interested?
They can get a character if they can't think of one and I'm not stuck with a design I'll never use. It's a win-win, really.
And it's not like somebody is forcing you to buy the adoptables. If someone is not interested, they can always just close the tab.
you dont have to look at something you dont like i wish others would get this concept like you do
It's not really any different than, for example, Sonic the Hedgehog or MLP original characters. If someone's willing to offer them, and someone else is willing to buy them, more power to 'em, "creative" or not.
Also just waiting for someone else to say in this thread "this is why I don't buy adopts/don't understand adopts."
currently there isnt any really good way to stop someone other than persistantly getting after the person and figuring out where they are connecting from,.. filing legal suit for harassment and the breaking of actual laws.
this is actually why a lot of good businessmen want everyone to have one and only one account tied to any user so that people can be caught for doing this completely outrageous crap they can do with 30-40 accounts.
and there was a time where it was deplorable,.. now its acceptable,.. i still think multiple accounts are uncalled for... plus it is a flood of useless crap over and over,.. i have no idea how many times i seen the same thing posted over and over and over because someone had to have 5 accounts
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Bingo.
As stated you cannot dispute it and if you accept to many gifts your account can and will be banned.
Anytime and artist asks for Gift you should be wary. Just a bit of personal advice.
But on the topic of reselling stolen art I totally agree that you should be looking for artists with established histories. If they have a few other items in their gallery you should probably check to see if they're of the same style as the one's they're trying to sell you, or look for their past customers. You can usually get good reviews from other furs. ^.=.^ Good luck not getting ripped off everyone!
I couldn't agree more, Stealthy Dragon, But sometimes people don't feel creative enough to draw or commission their own.
"But on the topic of reselling stolen art I totally agree that you should be looking for artists with established histories. If they have a few other items in their gallery you should probably check to see if they're of the same style as the one's they're trying to sell you, or look for their past customers. You can usually get good reviews from other furs. ^.=.^ Good luck not getting ripped off everyone!"
A while back there was a person on twitter who wrote a journal about this other guy who stole drawings and plushies too. They were doing this exactly, and after they were caught and brought up to about it, they would delete the image then re post it, blocking the person. until they got banned they would rejoin FA, and try to make more people get suckered into this.
Here it is.
I'm going into the gaming industry, so I make designs, and makes me a better artist. But this also gives me a chance to have more characters to draw. Annnd, if people wanna buy them, by all means, it works for me!
I don't really buy them myself; if I do, it's rare, and more than likely to help someone out.
I don't really sell them a whole lot, though.
Prices were to good to be true for the skill level
and they just joined.
Glad me and others in FA seen through it.
Keep up the good work mods.
Honestly, I'm pretty shocked people fell for such an easy scam and are surprised.
Now that you're convinced, where should we start. $35 for one 2oz jar of Fresh Air is a great ice breaker.
Look, I really don't care if you or anyone else doesn't like adoptables. Viva la difference and all that. But calling it a scam just because you don't like it is misusing the word. English may be about as pure as a cribhouse whore, but that doesn't mean you need to further contribute to making words meaningless. That is why I bothered commenting in the first place, not because I care about adoptables one way or the other.
Furries 10% retarded, 90% hot gas.
But fine. You didn't say (or type, if you want to split hairs) it was a scam.
I do come across a lot of under-aged kids, but that's an entirely different thing (and they're usually reported and taken care of quite quickly).
and no, ive never had a report taken care of on there ever.
and the admins there will ignore your report if that person is paying to be on the site
i guess money is power apparently
i got off that site before i had it happen to me, but i tried to help other people getting their art stolen but once again no report there is ever handled so why bother.
then yeah, probably why your reports get handled.
Honestly, dA-admins do what they can and are from what I've experienced fair to all users. o_O
yep
DeviantArt: If youre not a weeaboo or 'one of us' we dont care! ©
And before I volunteered I had my tickets handled just the same.
*shrug*
lazymods. being a mod lap dog is no difference.you saw me bitching about DA and you had to say something
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV3QgDq2TGw
Gotta give you credit for the Monty Python-reference, though.
all these bullshit adoptables are just another way people can steal art
frankly they should be banned altogether and if the
cookie cutteradoptables community has a problem, move back to DA or another site and stink up the place there.Bye! ^^
what
someone who wanted to randomly comment to me in a conversation having nothing to do with them and making some sort of attempt at a 'snarky' comment because then they'll feel better about themselves
yeah yep yep yeah yeeeep i got it
no need to explain
i understand your need to look cool
heres a banana sticker: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m.....xdsgo1_500.jpg
so please wish me the best in being in shit while you waddle through it too.
It's a shame people do this sort of thing. Not to mention it's practically impossible to stop.
Well, if you want it, a lot of people will go for it before it's gone.
Personally, I've always found adoptables to be a retarded concept. It's essentially paying a crapload of money (and I've seen some VERY lazy designs go for 200-500 before...) for a character.
My character may be a little... eh, but hey, it was !@#$ing free, and I eventually got a gift from someone, and thus, my character had somewhat of a reference I could build off of without running the risk of being scammed or spending quite a bit.
*Shrug* I still think it's sad people don't check accounts before making purchases. If I saw someone joined in the last week, I'd try to get to know them before ever trying to commission them.
Stop calling Adoptables "Stupid" or "dumb as hell" or "retarded". There are nicer ways of expressing your opinion without insulting the livelihood of some artists.
Sometimes, artists create characters, they love them, and eventually figure out they're never going to draw them outside of their initial design. So instead of letting the character rot, it's sold. You're not only buying the concept of the character, but you're also paying for the ART of it.
It's not just "Oh, no one's creative enough to create their own characters," sometimes, it's just people wanting to purchase the artwork from the artist in the cheapest way possible. I'll agree, I've seen some ugly as all hell adoptables on here, and I've seen artists hold auctions that go stupidly high, but that's because people are paying to have ART by that particular artist, even if the adoptable is boring, ugly, or just a cookie cutter.
Not all adoptable / character artists are "Retarded" which in a way, is what you're saying. It's one thing to just not like adoptables, it's another to just plain out insult them without any given reason to.
Impulse buys are a notorious problem with a lot of fA users, which end up with people, most of the time, bidding on things that they are unable to pay for and thus getting branded a scammer in their own right. But no one assumes, eh, well, I don't assume, I just personally get angry.
And on the "creativity" note, well, so what? So what if some people enjoy the character designs of other people instead of sitting around and pissing and moaning trying to figure out a character of their own, when someone else who does fantastic art is willing to help you for a small (modest) fee? Sure, some artists have a very high opinion of themselves and charge out the nose, but they do that for normal commissions and reference sheets anyway because of the community willing to pay certain prices for art.
I'm sure you've purchased art from someone at some point before, and if not, have wanted to, then seen the prices and probably back-pedaled as far back as you can away from it.
Don't clump every artist into that category - especially the adoptable artists. Not everyone is a base user and such.
Also, I'm glad fA is addressing this - I love to purchase adoptables on my down time when I have the cash to do so, simply because I can't afford commission prices, and being an artist of my own right I can draw up all sorts of stuff.
The initial character creation is hard for me - simply because I'll have markings and things in mind, but when I have a color pallet to work from, it takes a while for me to get into it, and in the end, my character design is so complex, I don't want to draw it anymore. Who wants to waste 16+ hours on a character just to see it rot?
As someone who purchases and has sold adoptables, mostly resells and a few characters of my own, it feels AMAZING to know : A) Someone loves your character enough they're willing to buy it from you, B) It will go to a good home where it'll be drawn lots, C) You won't feel guilty about never drawing the character because you don't care for it anymore, D) If you're as organized / painfully organized as some folks, this appeases that sense of cleaning out clutter and unwanted things.
Sorry if it seems ranty, just my two cents.
On the other hand, I am glad that FA is addressing this issue to put a stop to these scammers. I alone would hate to see my characters and such being sold to someone else without my permission. Especially if it was my main fursona. Not only did I make the art for it, its like taking away a person's personality and life because they have put so much into the character to make it their own.
Sometimes, artists create characters, they love them, and eventually figure out they're never going to draw them outside of their initial design. So instead of letting the character rot, it's sold. You're not only buying the concept of the character, but you're also paying for the ART of it.
It is kind of disheartening to see how many people are using this journal just to bash on adoptables, honestly, so I couldn't agree more with your comment.
They're just designs and nobody is forcing them to buy the designs. .__.
We need a better word for original characters that are being sold.
There's a huge difference between the two.
Rant, or not, I like the way you think.
thats my two cents. I also agree with you completely. Theres no reason to start slinging mud around juist because people dont get it haha.
I see adoptables as a way to find a good character design. After you get it you can change things as you like (sometimes), but for me if I need a background character for my comic and I'm too lazy to make a proper design, I'm just going to adopt one and use the crap out of him. For some people it's convenience, or maybe they just can't think of the right design for a character.
Now, when we got to very lazy designs for a lot of money, THAT is retarded. Bitch, your gradient-coloured wolf is not worth $15, sit down.
And yeah, it is sad people don't check. That's why we have Artists-Beware on LJ. And, if in doubt, talk to previous commissioners (if any), see how their experiences were.
I also love how people above me are trying to defend the general topic of adoptables. I definitely feel that some adoptables are well worth their decent price tag of $50. Hell, some artists typically throw in a commission to the winner to give yourself an official piece. Some artists sell really good, well known characters (most notably would be
I have no real problem with adoptables as a whole, I have a problem when artists completely allow their poorly designed characters to go for anything higher than $50, or even well designed characters for over $100. At the very least, they should all throw in a shaded commission to boot.
Also, notice how
I have lost all faith in humanity now.
Humanity has declined.
I never really understood adoptables, but I hope the situation is cleaned up soon nontheless.
The profile had 5 five pictures up, one of which I know I saw before, but then I dismissed it. The style changed up on the scam I got into...a Reference sheet. The sketch didn't match up to the other art in the gallery, but I was still suckered in because this ref was only $15...something Ive seen ONE artist do...so that is probly what suckered me in.
and clients have run off with my work before without paying numerous times
:c
i showed them a smaller image of the piece and they went 'oh sorry i don't have the money' but i know they ran off with the smaller image to use elsewhere.
When the code is entered the watermark layer becomes invisible and a save output to png button appears. Only problem is some users would possibly use the Print Screen button on the keyboard to copy the image with the watermark and then edit out the watermark with an image editor.
As an artist we have a reputation to uphold. Make sure folks get what they pay for within a reasonable time frame (digital art 3 weeks is the MAX, 1-2 weeks preferable, fursuits or paintings take longer obviously).
You should not complete a full work of art, before being paid. It just sets you up to be burned. Being paid after the drafting stage is fair to both parties.
Honestly, if they're that desperate *shrug*
Haven't had much issue with theft, really. But then again, my style isn't that popular.. Most folks prefer highly realistic or cartoony. I'm uhm.. I dunno.. LOL
If there was ever any issue over the artwork not being completed (persistent delays and poor communication included), I would then file a non-receipt case and have an open-and-shut win and refund since there's nothing to track.
The seller doesn't need to worry because this would not work as a strategy for a deadbeat - I have to have the money in the first place, and I can't file too many cases or it will be a red flag at PayPal.
I think it is pretty well done, honestly.
FA has a track record, like it or not, of allowing things to go on far too long- with proof or otherwise. Scammers like Starfinder were allowed to run rampant, and it wasn't until enough people complained that FA banned her. I've had mods respond to reports about their own friends/roommates, which is in incredibly bad taste.
But fine, I can get over that because FA is a gallery site, not a business site, even though many of us use it for business. Aside from the occasional notes, nothing else goes on business wise on the site... and are you going to shout at gmail or hotmail to have a trusted artists system because you got scammed by someone using their service? I'll say the same thing as I said during the Dorsai fiasco- Dragoneer isn't the leader of furry. Kage isn't the leader of furry. Nobody is. It's a subculture, not a country.
What it comes down to is being a knowledgeable consumer. A_B is one source, and yes, they aren't perfect, I do see a lot of incorrect information there, but when it comes down to it you can tell pretty clearly if someone has been posted there or not. As for whether screengrabs are edited in any way... I'm going to tell you right now that 8 or 9 times out of ten, the artist in question shows up to the post and either earns the beware then and there, or redeems themselves.
If you don't want to use A_B, that's fine. Ask your friends, and even approach people who commission a lot. Now, not everyone will want to be approached or will respond, but there are plenty of people out there who commission tons of art. If you see that say, person (a) has commissioned a piece by person (b), and you want to commission person (b) too... why not send them a note and ask "hey, I saw you commissioned person (b). I like their art and I love how your commission turned out. I'm nervous about commissioning people because I see others get ripped off and I'd like to know how your experience was with them". Simple, to the point, and if you get a response, yay! You can also ask the artist directly for references, which is probably a better idea.
For instance, personally I have quite a few people who have commissioned me in the past, with results ranging from "happy/okay" to "ecstatic". I could ask those people if they'd be okay with getting a note from you, a potential commissioner, asking about their experience with me.
So, in short- there are plenty of ways for you as an individual consumer to protect yourself, and to share your experiences with others. That's one of my biggest problems, honestly, with furry art- outside of artists beware there isn't a lot of open feedback on artists. But that's not FA's responsibility, or that of the artists- it's the consumer. You guys that commission art are doing a great service to artists when you review them.
"Averi was great, delivered quickly, but communication could be slow at times"
"I loved the result I got with Averi, a long wait, but worth it"
or even
"I wasn't pleased with my result with Averi, but it was quick and cheap so I'm okay with it.
The only thing to keep in mind is (a) if you are unhappy with the work you get you should talk to your artist first to see if they are willing to work with you to fix it (and in some cases they won't be, and are perfectly within their rights), and (b) you shouldn't criticism an artist prices, unless perhaps you want to advise you feel their work is worth more than it is. Keep in mind how cheap furry art is in comparison to work you'd buy in any other market... come on, both real and digital media, custom artwork is EXPENSIVE! there are a few artists that charge a respectable market fee, mind you, but most have to compete with popular or cheap artists and cannot do so in order to earn any kind of a living wage.
Dude complains that nobody is fixing the problem of scammers.
Person gives him solution and helpful tips.
Dude rudely writes it off because he's too lazy to read.
Right, okay. That's one for the do not work with list!
;3
Seriously. The reverse happens too you know. For some artists it takes them YEARS to build up their reputation and it becomes VERY valuable. It would be extremely dumb of them to trash it in favor of making off with a few hundred dollars. HOWEVER a commissioner can just make a new account, commission, get art, fuck off, not pay and make a new FA account :V
When a new artists comes on the scene I agree that its best to reach a compromise with the client... I did that and my first commission I was ripped off and never paid so... :c
Not just that but keep in mind what I see happen a lot is this:
Artist: I'm finished your commission! Here it is, can I please have payment now to furryartist[at]furryartistsite.com via paypal?
(Here, the artist might make the mistake of giving a high res copy rather than a small copy, also.)
Commissioner: No, I'm not going to pay. I don't like it / changed my mind / am commissioning someone else.
Artist: But I just spent 12 (non consecutive) hours working on this piece. Like it or not, I am entitled to compensation for my hours.
Commissioner: Nuh uh! I only pay for a FINISHED PRODUCT!
Not all commissioners are like this, of course! I can certainly say it has never happened to me and most of the people I have worked with over the years have been lovely, accommodating, and paid on time. But the problem is commissioners, especially when they are new to commissioning, because they don't sit there and see the artist doing all that work, or because they make it look easy, don't realize that the artist has to be paid for their TIME. In fact, artists often forget this too- you aren't paying for a product, unless you're also purchasing the final piece or a print... your're paying for a service. So when people gawk at my price of $125, they are also ignoring the fact that I spend anywhere from 12-15 hours gathering reference, thumb-nailing and composting, refining, inking, filling, painting and doing final tweaks, and that's excluding any fixes that the commissioner wants (that are not of my own omission), so on a complicated enough piece I could be making a little over $8 an hour, under minimum wage in my location, and if I'm lucky I'm making just over minimum wage for, let's be realistic.... a unique piece of artwork tailored to fit your needs and wants, specifically made with your character at your direction, by an artisan who's skill isn't one that you can just grab any regular joe off the street to do. That's asking a lot for barely minimum wage.
Before someone steps in to say "if you don't like it, then up your prices", well... I barely get much work as it is. I'm competing with people who will do the same level of polished work I do for less than $100. That's like you growing an apple tree and selling the high quality apples for $1. Then someone else comes along who says "oh, I just grew these high quality apples in my spare time as a hobby, so I'll sell them for $0.25".
Anyway, this has turned into a rant. In short, no the client hasn't got the right to pay last (unless they want to sign a legally binding contract so that should they choose not to the artist has the right to take them to court, small claims or otherwise, to get their owed wages), but most artists are willing to work with clients on their own unique situations, especially in the current economy!
The trick is to do some market analysis, Customer profitability analysis and afterwards figure out how price elastic your art is. I've taken most of what I know in the business world and applied it to art in the fandom to be an effective and valuable artist [relative!] despite the little amount of artistic experience/skill I possess! Its important to figure out for your art and you as the artist what your competition is in the broadest sense is. When you have that down well you can begin to figure out what you need to do to make your product/service offering more valuable and worthwhile :)
I change prices when the times demand, and offer cheaper things like con badges during con seasons, etc. I've had pretty good success doing it the way I do it, and currently I'm not going about offering a lot of those deals that often get me a lot of business, mostly because I'm pretty busy with other stuff (and while I am communicative and show steps along the way, I do not like keeping commissioners waiting TOO long, especially as a result of my own art blocks or home life... so busy with reptiles and other things haha!)
Unfortunately for many folks, they don't have either a) the business knowledge or b) the experience to be able to gauge those market shifts. :(
For the professional illustration work I do, the customer does pay afterwards. I send them a physical bill and require them to pay within 14 days, though most companies take almost a month to pay.
Even with that, one time I got in trouble because a customer (not one person, a bigger company) was very late with paying me and made me wait two months for what was my month salary. I can't even do much in a situation like that because I am a tiny company.
I charge much lower rates online, and there is no way I'm going to accept payments afterwards, emailing people from the other side of the globe all the time to remind them to pay me. (I make exeptions on this sometimes if it's about people I trust, but I generally don't start work until people pay me, this way they can also still cancel if they change their minds)
In return I don't break people's trust, I try my best to be quick with my commissions and send updates in case it takes longer. When I send artists money in advance, I do this because I trust them, I see their work and their satisfied customer base. There's always the chance of being ripped off, but this counts for both sides.
Buy a character design? I have a brain AND imagination. Why in the world would I want or need to poses the product of someone else's?
Art, I get. Art designs, I don't.
I'm a decent artist, but only in the technical sense. I'm not creative. Which is why I enjoy drawing fanart mostly. Creating characters is not my thing. I'm sure there are others out there like me, who have the physical ability to draw, but no original ideas.
they delete stolen works as soon as someone notices but its
saintmarysfundraise http://www.iaza.com/work/121030C/ia.....5753685500.jpg stolen from http://fav.me/d5iojy8 was one of these cases...
they have conned multiple people out of over 20$ total and they hide the buyers comment as soon as they claim so no one can warn them its stolen TT_TT
i haven't seen many others but that one really really concerns me.
on top of that, they are auctions! :D
furries :I
This practice is not necessarily "fraudulent" but it is often a sleazy and cynical way for people to charge money for a minimal amount of effort. I consider that a scam, just like when some company tries to charge $30 for software that converts png to gif of something like that, knowing very well there are totally free converters that do the job better. Even if the software works, the world would be a better place if it didn't exist. They only stay in business through buyers being totally impulsive and not inclined to think much. Or how about those companies that give "fast cash now" and then charge obscene interest on it. This sort of "business" is preposterous.
It's also not a scam to offer something people want, even if there are alternatives that could be argued as being better. I have no interest in adoptables, but aside from obvious con jobs like the ones this journal was discussing I see nothing inherently scammy about offering something just because it's not much effort for the person making the offer.
Likewise, it's not inherently a scam when the person accepting the offer decides to not read the contract they're signing. It's not like those "fast cash now" companies are leaving the interest rates totally invisible to the potential loanee.
TL;DR: "Scam" doesn't mean "something I don't like", and using it that way makes the word meaningless for its actual definition.
I dislike tumblr but I don't consider that a scam; it's more like a trick.
I have no fault with people who draw lots of designs, but putting a price on anything and everything starts to creep me out. I feel a similar ickiness when people sell their old characters and that sort of thing. Giving away of piece of themselves for the price of a pizza is just depressing, unless the characters were thoughtless hackjobs to begin with.
When I am in the market for a computer, I just need something that will get the job done. I'll alter it later if I need to, and spend a lot of time making it my own. So I don't mind that the parts are manufactured and the included software is standard, because I don't need them to be handmade custom for me. If it were all handmade custom the cost of the computer would be astronomical. I cannot make my own from scratch, so I have to buy one if I want one, but it doesn't need to be perfect because I can fix it later. Because the company saves money by manufacturing their product, they can afford to offer me a computer at a price I can afford.
Adoptables are the same. Many people just want a starting point, and don't want to pay a ton of money for it because they know they will put the time and effort into making it theirs later. When I design an original character from scratch, it might take 2-3 hours, and I need to charge somewhere between $40-60 for that time. Very few people want to pay that for a character unless it is being designed for them specifically(something that even less people need.) If it doesn't sell, I'm out that time, and I can't afford to be lenient with how much time I spend on my other work that week.
However, if I can reuse the lines, I can create a batch of 24 adoptables in about 9 hours, and I can easily offer each one at $15. Most people don't mind paying $15 for a design they can use as the basis of their own unique character. It gives them something to work from, without them feeling like they are changing an already complete character, and at a price they can afford. I also don't take a huge hit if a few don't sell, because I can afford it, and if they do really well I have some wiggle room with my expenses that week. I can afford to offer something else at a discount, or spend a little extra time on something.
For those reasons, adoptables actually make for excellent business. You get what you pay for, and while they are still work to create, each one takes less time than it would if I had to create it from scratch, so I can offer it at a substantially lower price. They are still priced according to demand and the time they take, just like other designs would be. They are not created to take advantage, but instead to meet a set of demands.
I hope that gives you a bit of insight into the idea!
However, I don't know why you would spend 3 hours designing visual traits for a character for nobody specific unless your only goal in the creation of characters is to sell them immediately, to be locked away forever uselessly otherwise.
I do understand why somebody might want a designated base to work from, but it does not always immediately occur to me, because I can "design" a thing fairly easily, and have difficulty grasping why anyone who can form a sentence can't figure out their own way to paint random stripes and doohickeys on existant creatures, or even, seeing a setup they already like, take some sort of free inspiration from it for their own. But a lot of people CAN'T form sentences; everything they say is a quote or a meme or some manner of hokey catchphrase, so paying to adopt works for them. And they can pay as much as they want but I will always find them ridiculous. Maybe they haven't been totally legally "scam"med but it's just playing with words at this point.
Similarly, I have difficulty sympathizing with anyone who charges money to have already painted random stripes on things. Some people but effort in it, maybe, perhaps you do, but they seem like an inconsequential minority. But people charge money for a lot of dumb things on this site; sometimes it's more of a hucky flea market than an art exhibition space. I think those template avatars are just as big a joke but they are harder to make a full "scam" out of, and so no notice ever appears at the top of my page giving a convenient opportunity for me to impulsively proclaim discontent in its vicinity.
--Onni
No one ever /deserves/ to be ripped off.
People don't deserve to be ripped off because of it. Regardless of how silly you think it is both parties are getting what they want and the buyers are willing. How people spend their money is their choice.
ily
--Onni
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auction adoptables
thefts auctioning adoptables
I seriously wat`
Seriously that's how you people are coming off. It's like saying buying a painting is a scam because you should be able to paint a picture your self. It's their money if they want to buy them it's their choice. They don't deserve to be scammed or mocked in fact they deserve the same rights any other user who buys art, People buy premade things every day it's not about being uncreative it's convenience.
As an admin, I'm really disheartened to see so many users flaming one another in a mod post, calling other people idiots and more. Not sure if I should be sending "polite" notices to them.
The problem is not even adoptables it's people scamming users with stolen art. I think people are missing the point of this notice and focusing on making a flimsy excuse to justify their hate.
I would. Some folks are being little more than trolls on this page about this topic, like the nit who went off saying anyone buying an adoptable deserves to be scammed. Sorry, but my opinion on that person's comment and thinking is that he is being rude. And falsely equating fursuits with "scam" is ludicrous. I think both he and the other fail-troll who cheered him on need a little reminder about manners?
Just a thought. I'll butt out, now.
someone sent me a screen shot too. http://www.iaza.com/work/121030C/ia.....5753685500.jpg
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/collioure
It also was selling scammed adopts and believe to be belonging to newbieadopts. It hasn't been in use for a long time but just in case.
Always remember, check and see what other art is in that person's gallery. If they don't have any artwork that remotely looks similar to the art they are adoptabling, don't buy.
"Well I make my own characters! Clearly that makes me more creative so my opinion is more valid. *snort*"
This is the third news post I read today and it always seem like people come out of the wood work riding astride their high horses.
YAY ADOPTABLES.
Creating a design that is worthy of someone else buying isn't as easy as people would think (but that is after all what a concept artist's job is to do).
I hope these help others as well.
A bit ranting but honest. http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3843370/
Calmer. http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3896797/
Dammit, design drama hasn't happened in forever. I'm having withdrawals.
gon hunt u down nd kill u, den feed u 2 mah dogs
FURSONA STEALERRRRR OMG
EFJROFFFSDRF
Maybe its a concept most people can't understand, but even though I've never bought an adoptable, I know why people would.
I have the technical ability to draw, but no love for any characters I've come up with on my own. So, I find more pleasure in drawing fanart.
Anyway, with all that aside, this doesn't really have to be an issue as long as you follow one golden rule, that you known this artist at least a few weeks in activity and are familiar with their style. Many times these artists would even be happy to make a character in your mind a reality too.
More people should offer designer services, there is much more money in it than adoptables.
Make a "totally original" design, slap it on a wolf drawing and BAM. Profit.
do you think those people are stupid too?
Also I love how everyone is rubbing it at people's "moronic"faces that they don't like the adoptables like if we needed to know that. Why yes, I'm sure someone with a genetically designed character/fursona is a hell of a lot smarter because he/she designed it, oh wait...
Let's hope it stops soon. :(
This is why I don't touch adoptables
If you don't like them, you don't have to buy them. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and telling you you must buy a sparklewoof or a cabbit or whatever else peopple come up with. Is it really necessary to keep calling it a "scam" when some people just like designing characters that others can then buy if they want to?
Anyway: good to see the issue of the scammer is being handled.
I don't mind opposing views to mine, but there is a time and place for it.
All I see is someone bitching about other people's bitching. :V
Oh look, that's an opinion! Who'da thunk! o A o
Dat bitchin'.
Oh no, how awful! I don't think adoptables are shit! Clearly I should be hung. :C
Either way: it's just an opinion, I don't see why it matters to you that I posted a comment about the fact that people use this journal to bitch about adoptables, when that's not even the main point of the journal. o_O
Because, 1: Of this shit and 2: They are pointless.
Unfortunately, there is probably several of these people on FA who scam adoptables, and it would be next to impossible finding all of them
Klinx, Newbieadopts, Celestyal, SurveyOnTheGo, ImInVain, etc.
It would be fab if we could get more names besides those posted by Bazeel on A_B! :D
It's pathetic!
Honestly, if you want to sell something handmade or drawn, MAKE IT YOURSELF YOU MORONIC THIEVES! Don't steal from hard working Furs and Artists!
I, however, refute such a statement. :/
This coon-dog will certainly keep a third eye open for such activity...
I'm glad you're finally making a journal on it, but the lack of response to this meant a lot of people lost money.
Translation; Baww I didn't think of that idea first and I didn't make money on it.
My sides :'3
TL;DR version: Adoptables for a price are kind of dumb, and they're better off being free.
also, there is so much that you can't even create your own character in fear of being suspected by an adoptable creator. why the mods don't ban that cancer already?
After all, when one buys those mass-modeled so-called desgin with only a small tweak on the patterns, do they never actually worry about the design been overlapped with other's? Or does furs being so rich these days that they don't even need to double-check before they purchase something suspecius?
Because you had never been scammed means that you should never blame the scamming?
Basically, if you don't like them, don't buy them.
Not the thievery and scams.
I'm actually glad FA posted something about this, because I've been seeing adoptable scammers pop up here and there on other sites, so it's nice that the admins are making it known to people who might not have been aware of it otherwise. That's a good thing. Unfortunately, since this is an open forum, we have to hear people bitching about things that are irrelevant: that they don't like adoptables. They're just clogging up the discussion on something more important by thinking anyone really cares that they dislike something.
To act like it's a scam is absolutely rude to the people who (a) spend quite a bit of time making these interesting characters for others to buy at very cheap prices, (b) buy these characters because they aren't creative enough to make their own or simply choose not to, and © those who like having lots of characters to write about but don't know how to design them.
Boy, is it ever going to piss you off to realize that there's a whole career choice built around creating characters and getting paid to do it.
And that answer completely glosses over your referring to them as being stupid :/
So, if you can't draw (basically, are a person who is not creatively talented) you're not an idiot, but if you aren't able to create a character on your own (are not creatively talented) you are? You're contradicting yourself.
"You cant argue that they may not have enough money or else they wouldnt buy the adoptable."
Most adoptables go for $5 - $10 bucks tops. You aren't going to get much more than a sketch for that price.
"If you want to waste your money on an obvious scam, go for it."
The definition of "scam" isn't "something that dire_husky of FA disapproves of", just so you know.
There are many, many, many artists who do work for that cheap. Me being one of them. If you get outside the popufur circle you will see that.
And any idiot can create a character. ANYONE. Are there really people in this fandom who REALLY cant make up a character? You pick a damn animal, add whatever the hell you want and then you are done. If anything you are insulting people with that statement. You believe there are actually people too stupid and lazy to make up a damn fictional character. Id be highly insulted at such an insinuation. You are saying that these people are totally incapable of making up a character, the cant put one on paper, they cant make a basic sketch, and they cant even pay someone to do it for them. That is an insult. Hell, the furry fandom is entirely consisted of people creating their own personal fursonas! Even from a "im just in it for the porn" stance doesnt make any sense. It is a shame you think so low of our intelligence though. If anyone is the asshole it is you.
YOU are the person that sat there and said that people who do not or can not are stupid. I am saying that not everyone is creative enough to do that.
" It is a shame you think so low of our intelligence though. If anyone is the asshole it is you. "
Projecting, much?
well, you kind of have to be stupid to not have any creativity what-so-ever, you do know that not all furries can draw, right? and to make a fursona you DO NOT NEED TO DRAW, you just need to have basic fucking creativity.
again, it's not hard
a fursona is not a prerequisite for the fandom.
my fursona has gone through several different species and forms before i made him a corgi
and i have been in the fandom for 6 years now (longer than my fa account sign-up date)
Essentially what you're trying to say is that everyone in the fandom who has a simple character like a gray wolf or a red fox, everyone who doesn't have a character, and those who buy a design to use as their character are stupid, and people who are great character designers but don't need to keep 20 million characters around so have them open for sale are greedy or sneaky.
You are an impressive sort of asshole, for sure.
Personally, I like your take on this one.
HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT? it's not like you need a fucking phd or be a rocket scientist to make a fucking furry cartoon animal, jesus christ!
"When you're in a fandom that is almost entirely based around making up a character and parading it around online as an extension of yourself, I'm sure one would feel a little left out if they didn't have one of their own"
and that is when they make their own fucking idea, there is COUNTLESS free lineart templates out there on the interwebs for people to play around with in photoshop
"And not everyone wants to have "generic gray wolf" or something as their character (not that there is anything wrong with more generic characters)"
because they are idiots and want to "fit in" with the cliche of multi-colored whatever
also, bullshit, do you know how many red foxes are in the fandom....THOUSANDS, IF NOT MILLIONS
I make my own characters. I also make adoptables that are NOT copy-paste, and I also BUY adoptables. I buy them because 1, I enjoy the design, 2, I enjoy the artist, 3, I know what I can do with the character (either in just normal drawings or story settings)
There are many, MANY amazing adoptables out there.
Like what
Examples? I'll show you.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9372355/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8872752/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8872699/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8872646/
Another amazing artist bought one of the adoptables, and uses the adoptable a LOT.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8811159/
She put this adoptable into her own story.
And selling adoptables is NOT a scam. :/
I enjoy making adoptables, because I hope that those who buy them will use them, and I can see all the art they do/commission, as well as giving the characters a story and really flesh them out. It's very fun for me to see that, as well as I do that with my own adoptables I have bought from others.
It's not wasting money when the person who bought it is happy with it. :/
Does anyone else note the irony of someone accusing people of "having the creativity of a log" while their current icon is a plank of wood with a face on it? An entire log isn't good enough, something must be done to it to make it "original". Oh yeah, cut it into a plank! Seriously, man, you sound ridiculous with your "argument" that someone buying a bit of concept art (adoptables) is somehow "stupid" for not being able to come up with it themselves.
I guess all those video games you might play or the movies you watch are a waste of your money, too, since the makers of those products all paid for concept art of characters in order to flesh out an idea...
Next off, video games are physical items meant for mass production which provide entertainment. Movies are million dollar investements made for the purpose of entertainment often taking many months of man hours to create. And for your above comment clothes are also physical items that we all need so we arent running around naked on the street. These things are MEANT to be mass produced. Only an idiot would put a ten second adoptable of a sparkle dog on the same level as goddamn kingdom hearts.
But that is all i swill say, your defense was really really weak for this argument.
So really, everything YOU do should be original, right? Otherwise you're a hypocrite.
What does bother me is the lack of creativity that is growing in this fandom; people are creating their own characters less and less, but more importantly the ARTISTS creating them are hurting their creativity.
They take the same template over and over. They use the same markings. All they do is go on color palette websites and just keep using those over and over. It's trivial and doesn't affect me, yes, but that doesn't mean I can't think of it as an idiotic waste of talent and imagination.
Mostly, I think you're taking it way too seriously. No one is putting a gun to anyones head forcing them to buy them and it's not like the fandom (lol) is lacking in talent.
My main problem isn't the buyers though, it's the artists themselves. I just don't like seeing otherwise (mostly) talented artists with a lot of potential, simply using the same generic template over and over and over, using the same markings over and over, using the same colors over and over. I would love to see more unique art rather than cookie cutter feminine neko boys.
But, that is the beauty of the world we live in; they can play coloring book with a generic template, and I can say that it's stupid
NIGGAS BE HELLA TRIPPIN
this is also why i watermark EVERYTHING!!! i have a special one now that im plasteromg all of my original work. alllllll over it. signitures dont work well and symbols dont work also. you legitlamly give the username with a sign that is noticable and putopacoty at 50. they dont dare to steal watermaked things that have legit usernames on.it
The person got banned too.
The things people do for fast cash,lol.
I'm seeing it alot and now i'm seeing the whole "well, I didn't know this was stolen work...it was given to me by [insert bullshit here]
Every person that i've confronted about stolen artwork claim they didn't know, claimed they did their research to be sure it wasn't stolen or claim they thought it was...ugh, brain fart...whats it called when your work is no longer protected by copywrite?
(see icon for expression also maybe f5 XD)
Regardless, my friend wouldn't have even know if the person who bought his 'sona hadn't contacted him and asked about why he was getting rid of it.
So it's not just FA, but people need to keep and eye out all over. Don't raise a ruckus, just inquire with the original artist and owner if you see a character that shouldn't be there.
I'm biased toward the people saying they're reasonable just because the only actual "opinion" the opposing people have is "WELL WHY CAN'T THEY CREATE THEM THEMSELVES WITH THEIR IMAGINATION GOD!!!" and use a plethora of offensive and strong words to describe their distaste for it.
but on to what else i want to say on the 'adoptables' debate???? (if you could call it that?)
I buy designs, I like what other people create, I do quite a few things with the designs I get! (some even go as far as becoming personally modified avatars in secondlife, or are destined to become fursuits in the near future)
I do create my own characters, too! Most people who buy designs, also design their own personal characters. I like to believe I'm good at designing my own characters, and I find pleasure in taking things other people create and fleshing them out, making them more than just this one little image of their design. I draw them, I animate them, I make their likeness in 3D worlds, I'm going to even make/commission costumes of them.
I think selling designs in itself is the least exciting part of it, I think it's what the artist chooses to do with the design they get that's where the real creativity and expression of their imagination comes in.
scams are defined by people paying for services/goods and they do not receive said services/goods, or they receive less than what they paid for and were promised.
Adoptables, when you know, they're not being stolen and resold that way! Is in no way what is described above if it is done properly. The buyer is a willing individual who knows exactly what they are getting since, you know, it's right there and they have to see it in order to want it!
So, calling them scams is really silly! bark
Those are my feelings on the matter exactly.
Assuming somebody has no talent because they happened to buy an adoptable is like assuming somebody is a terrible cook because they felt like having mac n' cheese one night.
1) I make a character and possibly make a ref sheet over it
2) Post it on FA and hopes sometimes wants it and if not, I'm not going to be mad over it
3) If someone buys, they can pay it upfront (I talk to them on messenger or skype so he gets it immediately)
4) Once sent, I give them everything i used to make it and then I take EVERYTHING I made on it and delete it from my comp, ( I even share screens to prove it). It proves that it is not mines anymore. They can have it! :D
This is how I do it and everyone has an opinion on how it should be made. I don't make them expensive and if i made art on that character. I'll ask the original artists permission if they can post and ill take it off my gallery. :D
1. if you do too many gifts, your account can be frozen, with all your money in it too! same for the people sending money too you. not sure if both accounts would be liable, might wanna look that up
and,
2. you cannot file disputes over money when you gift the money, since it's a "gift" you can't really expect to or try to get it back through paypal.
Anything put on it can be stolen
the end
this is sad
Affinity doesn't have the buyer protection system that sites like eBay has.
I don't know why people buy from sites that don't have buyer protection.
And before anyone says anything, commissions are heaps different
I mean, PayPal is not stupid. They're going to see enough "gift" payments on an account and freeze them on suspicious behaviour.
In any case, yeah ... Consider this as a public service announcement to do a little investigating before sending funds to -anyone-. New account claiming to just be for commissions? Get more info before throwing away your hard earned monies! =)
Just a thought.
I made them by hand I swear! QQ..
I'm a HUGE worrywart. QQ
though, that thing about never demanding or sending money via paypal as a "gift" is a very good bit of advise.
leaping into the fandom is no different than leaping into any market when it comes to doing business... so, keep at it and always push yourself and in time i'm sure your statistics will improve... but everyone has to go through the same lagging sales as you're experiencing when they first start out selling.
Make it hard to get the watermark off.
I try to make mine better each time till I find the perfect one x3
It is always similar though
I just play with effects to make it harder to trace xD
http://kiraka16.deviantart.com/gall.....t=192#/d4ywduc
Yeah that's quite the wm xDD
And one of the adopts I bought from someone was stolen and resold :/
This is just another case of "Hey, buddy, you wanna buy a watch?" And that you should always check the vendor for authenticity. You never take something at face value in this world, and it tends to pay to question these things especially when you have the internet that can immediately verify trivial yet necessary information instantly of within moments with little possibility of being thwarted by forgery.
Regardless it's nice to get the heads up, if I happen by an account of that nature I'll be sure to return the favor. Swindling is a pretty pathetic past-time after all.
I found out someone was on flist, using a character of mine...and I've NEVER had adoptables.
I find it sad, though, that art thieves are still around on the Internet. As useless as it is for me to even bother saying it, however, that that argument really should NOT be valid (even though it always will be, since it's just the freaking INTERNET). Wishful thinking, I know, but I honestly do wish that the Internet were more...trustworthy.
And shame on you, adoptable-haters. =|
if there is no patent or copyright (i mean actual copyright in the federal US) on the character, they can't really do anything
intellectual property is a grey area unless a copyright is held
I did buy a few Adoptables a while back, but then I realised I was being lazy, so I got back into creating my own characters.
Seriously, air guitar it like it's 1995, gotta' love when the spark of creativity isn't dead.
In the past while, I've also created an Eevee set in a Fallout world from Vault 151, a tigershark whom is an auto mechanic and an avid steampunk fan, and one character I've had for years and has gone through some revamping, a Ninetales whom has a fascination with Egyptian things, a professional podiatrist, and also loves footpaws herself.
One recent creation is a kitsune whom is one of the nine rulers of a planet from a different galaxy, making her the first 'alien' character I've made. I've been slowly developing it, too. Working on some of the continents, so it'd take a while.
It's all sparked with the fact that I love to craft and build, which is why games like Terraria and Minecraft (though I prefer Terraria 'cos the game has Santa Claus that appears between 15-30 December) are fun for me. And right now, I'm building a world of my own from scratch, using materials I've gathered from past worlds that I've moved to since the day it came out. Plus, I needed to clear up some space, so it was a better reason for it.
Hell yea, 90s generation for the win!
I've bought a lot of them, but when I get them, I put a lot of work into them. My talents lie in storytelling, so I create backstories and histories and personalities for the characters I adopt. There's a lot of work in adoptables for me. It's not something I just throw a few dollars at and call it quits.
Character creation is a lot more than just choosing the physical design for your new furry.
people can use their own imagination to create their own characters
and fat people can all get gym memberships for christmas
they can work out at home
I've purchased a lot of adoptables in the last year or so, and when I do, it's not because I'm too uncreative to create my own character. My fursona and first four characters are all of my own design, but since I'm not an artist, I have to commission someone to draw them anyway. I'm an author, and my talents lie in words.
When I purchase an adoptable, I do so because the physical design of the character is inspirational to me. I see a character in the design that I want to flesh out. Sometimes I just really like the design and don't know where the character will go at first. But they all eventually develop very fully.
Try to not be so close-minded on how people choose to spend their money or throw around generalizations like this. ^.^
(i'd like to point out for the record that i appreciate your mature response unlike the one above which was met with an immature response :3)
(And nope, I am generally not into adoptables myself. For me, the character is personality first. That said... I... bought one :)
I see a lot of people using childish remarks towards the 'adoptable uprising' in here, kind of saddening to see how people fail to put out their opinion on the subject in more mature/less childish ways.
Sorry to those who got scammed, be more careful next time. Been seeing a lot of people get scammed lately.
Thanks FA for puttin up something about this though.
so JOKE
i've never understood the appeal. i guess coz i can just make my own characters.
cuz this is me and he/she isn't me so yeah :3
Adoptables, in my opinion, are very much lame. They're usually no more than copies an they seldom have any purpose but to net money. Then again, some people just love them like hell.
I won't give you a picture unless you pay up front... that is, not a picture without an ugly eyesore of a watermark to prevent you from stealing and uploading it. I stay true to my word and if you pay me, I take it as a top priority to give you what you payed for. That said, if you were to rush me, the picture would be rushed. If you give me more time, it'll look better, but I won't just say "Woop, needz moar cash, lol suxxor" because I want my reputation to be good.
Thirdly, art theives deserve to die in hell. This is why I sign my images, lease under creative-commons,keep a backup of the image and the source, and include extensive information on it. I may not be doing it now, but I'm planning to in the near future.
There is only one Kenny Kamashari, people.
~Kamashari
Obviously free ones, and cheap ones that come with multiple pictures of the character are a lot better value, but paying $10+ for some generic-looking animal, on a page of 6 identical-looking animals, just seems pretty greedy of the artist, in terms of how much money they're getting out of how much work they put into it.
Possible Scammer, new to FA yet has a lot of adopts....Hmmmm