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13 years ago
Last night I spent nearly 8 hours trying to fix my wiggly lines problem, to no avail. There are still a few small things I haven't tried, but I'm so worn out! So many of you came forward to help me, some of you spending hours researching solutions along side me, and for that I am so grateful. You guys helped me so much, even if I didn't find a solution to my problem. <3 <3 <3 It may be that there isn't a solution to fixing the "wiggly" lines in mouse-mode, not with my current software and hardware. I'm currently troubleshooting directly with Wacom via email to see if there's something I missed.
In the meantime, it's become very apparent to me that using mouse-mode just isn't viable any longer. I must have had the magical combination of drivers, software, hardware and settings that eliminated "wiggly" lines before, yet I have no idea what that combination it. I guess it's actually weird that I use mouse-mode, most other artists use pen-mode! I always thought it was just a "different strokes for different folks" sort of thing, but it seems to me that mouse-mode was just never meant for the uses I employ. So I'm training myself to use pen-mode, which should be too tough to be honest. I'll get used to it!
I am concerned that it will put me behind on commissions, or that new repetitive motion injuries will crop up, literally from moving in a different way. But who knows, it may also solve some repetitive motion injury issues I've had in the past! We shall cross that bridge when we come to it.
I learned a lot of technological stuff in the process, and now I finally know the sort of advice to give to others when they ask me about this problem. Thanks again everyone, wish me luck adjusting! <3
EDIT - I have not been using a mouse to paint all these years, sorry for the confusion! I have been using my tablet stylus like I should. =) Pen-mode and mouse-mode are different position mapping modes for your tablet and stylus. Pen-mode means the position of your stylus on the tablet correlates to the cursor position on your screen. Mouse-mode allows you to scoot your cursor around organically like with a mouse, and doesn't not necessarily correlate to the position on the tablet. Two very different ways of moving basically!
In the meantime, it's become very apparent to me that using mouse-mode just isn't viable any longer. I must have had the magical combination of drivers, software, hardware and settings that eliminated "wiggly" lines before, yet I have no idea what that combination it. I guess it's actually weird that I use mouse-mode, most other artists use pen-mode! I always thought it was just a "different strokes for different folks" sort of thing, but it seems to me that mouse-mode was just never meant for the uses I employ. So I'm training myself to use pen-mode, which should be too tough to be honest. I'll get used to it!
I am concerned that it will put me behind on commissions, or that new repetitive motion injuries will crop up, literally from moving in a different way. But who knows, it may also solve some repetitive motion injury issues I've had in the past! We shall cross that bridge when we come to it.
I learned a lot of technological stuff in the process, and now I finally know the sort of advice to give to others when they ask me about this problem. Thanks again everyone, wish me luck adjusting! <3
EDIT - I have not been using a mouse to paint all these years, sorry for the confusion! I have been using my tablet stylus like I should. =) Pen-mode and mouse-mode are different position mapping modes for your tablet and stylus. Pen-mode means the position of your stylus on the tablet correlates to the cursor position on your screen. Mouse-mode allows you to scoot your cursor around organically like with a mouse, and doesn't not necessarily correlate to the position on the tablet. Two very different ways of moving basically!
I have had horrible cheap brand tablets that did something similar. It was a fault with the tablet itself and I had to upgrade to a wacom. I've basically never had any issues with wacom other than tiny glitches where a massive dot or line will come out every now and again.
I hope your problem gets fixed :c
What is the difference in feel with pen mode and mouse mode? You may have to just do your best to learn how to use pen mode for the time being if you can't find a solution =/ maybe just take a day off work and paint something for yourself and see if you feel confident enough with it after a few hours?
I hope you work something out or get it fixed :D good luck to you!
Just be consciously aware of those potential injuries and take some extra care to stretch between to keep things from knotting up on ya.
There are days still that I just.. can't prevent the numbness from an old injury (bike accident) coming back to haunt me, but just trying to keep it at the forefront of my mind, really helps. Some days I've had to call an end to the work session early because of it, but if I pushed I would've been out of commission for a week.
Another thing I been trying hard to do is to constantly remind myself there's no need to keep the muscles in my arm tense.. and sometimes I do this without even realizing it.
If you're in pen mode and treat it like drawing with pencil and paper (it took me a while to get used to the visual disconnect, but just draw through it. It's an issue of time spent. ) you shouldn't have much trouble with pen mode.
I was just making a jab at myself because I love tea so much. I have a huge collection of loose leaf teas, and I drink it every day.
Oh. XD; Can't blame you there, tea is awesome. I drink mostly tea and water at this point, myself.
I used to use mouse-mode on my older tablet. What helped me get used to pen-mode on my current tablet was scribbling around, not thinking about what I was doing. It really is all about building up your hand-eye coordination and general practice - it doesn't take *too* terribly long to get used to.
Little side note on what can be done with an actual mouse (no stylus) in MS Paint. http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9516890/
Funny, I found pen-mode frustrating! I think mouse-mode to me is like scooting the paper around underneath you as you draw, feels more natural.
If so, daaaaaamn.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/947...../#cid:63824230
The most annoying change that I make...that trips me up for much longer...is when I use 2+ monitors (so screen resolution is increased/changed) which prevents the tablet from reflecting the screen I'm working on in a 1:1 relationship as per the tablets active area. Which ultimately causes the motions to be subtly elongated/altered compared to the 'regular' conditions and tablet real estate.
Not sure what the wobbly lines you're speaking of are, but I hope it all gets worked out smoothly!
It's funny, I didn't think working in mouse-mode was such an oddity either! But especially over the last year or so, I've noticed folks respond with shock when they learn I use mouse-mode.
This comment popped into my mind, so I figured I'd pass on that tidbit should you add more monitors in the future! :)
Ahaha thanks for the info. I guess people use the other option just because it's the default. Sucks you didn't get it fixed though. :/
Oh god, me too. X_X I'm finding so far that I'm utilizing lots of the rotate and zoom out functions on PS as I'm getting used to pen-mode. Anything to avoid hitting that stupid corner! Well, it's cool to know a fellow mouse-mode user, I suppose I'm not THAT weird after all, haha!
Saying that I did have another look around and found this for exactly the same problem...
The latest drivers have 2 modes...
1 open the driver control panel
2 at the top of the window double click the intuos3 tablet that is giving you problems
3 choose standard mode instead of recognition data
... this is at least what worked for me. I hope it helps.
The behaviour in mouse mode is influenced by setting in the tablet driver, but also by the settings in the regular mouse driver. Open the regular mouse control panel and set the speed slider to the fourth position from the left - this seems to work best.
And that is the last I can find.
It's worth a try at least. And no problem. I used to work in the computer fault finding area one time, and even though I am rather rusty these days it's a good idea to keep practicing. ^_^
I hope things go well for you though. And if not in finding a resolution, in easily making the switch to pen mode.
Good luck!
As for the comment about how much you're moving your hand, that is entirely reliant on the size of tablet you're using. I just switched to one a few inches wider this christmas and was frustrated with how SLOW it seemed to be going, and how long my strokes have to be now. Got used to it inside a week. But if its a concern for you, maybe try working on a smaller tablet
but like I said hope you get it fixed or that it works out anyway! Whichever's best for your hand too! Even small changes in tablet things can sure be annoying or weird, I remember my tablet slowing down for some reason a while ago so no matter how big a movement I made on the tablet, the pen only moved by an inch or so on the screen. Was annoying o__o but then it worked again after a while. Tricky little things!
By the way, what exactly is the mouse mode? I don't really understand what it is haha. I use a Wacom Intuos5 and upon looking through my computer for something about it I can't find anything about a mouse mode. Do you mind explaining it to me more? It's the scooting around thing that confuses me really; are you moving the cursor by pressing down with the pen or what?
If that is so, I actually do the same thing. I found that you just delete your driver, and when you open Photoshop again it works. The Wacom tablet driver makes it so that it's set to "Hit left corner, cursor hits left corner of screen". I might be explaining it wrong, but I do know that if you delete the tablet driver and just plug it in like you would a mouse without the drivers in place it works like....well a mouse lol Hopefully this helped with one of the issues ^ ^
and if you have windows get SAI, has brush stabilization and you can export to photoshop.
Why not just zoom in? Painting while zoomed out has a huge variety of positive impacts on the resulting art. You can see the entire piece at once so you are able to judge whatever part you are working on in relation to the other pieces. You also have the ability to make large quick paint strokes and therefore work faster, rather than be forced to use lots of small time wasting strokes that may or may not give you the result you want until you zoom out all the way.
The problem is long closed, I have learned to use pen-mode, still get to use my preferred software, AND don't need to let my artwork take a hit in quality by working zoomed in needlessly.