Thank you for fixing that!

Limits, hmmm. . .well better than saying no all together.

Seems reasonable

*never goes to the main/browsing page*

Isn't affected :>

sameeee, I just F5 my own page so I don't have to look at the front page lol.

/whoops

yes indeedy

Or if I am feeling adventurous, I will sneak onto the front page ONLY to browse for fursuits in the fursuit category. EVEN THAT IS DANGEROUS.

There's only two reasons I go on, 1: because I space out and forget to type the url for my page and 2: one of my friends saying LOL LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE FRONT PAGE RIGHT NOW. That's pretttttty much it lol.

did you ever find out a consensus about glitch art?

or did i miss it

Glitch art?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glitch_art

Heh heh heh.

The static on my TV is art then.

eye of the beholder

Whoa glitch art looks pretty cool

thanks for the link.

Q: Why not?
A: Nope.

Good.

Q: Why not?

A: Nope.

Love it.

That is very vague. Perhaps update it to be more specific? Say once every half hour or hour?

This

That's still a terrible idea. anything below 24 hours is WAY too short a time frame.

Even every 24 hours can be rough for auctions lasting a month/two weeks.

I'd say at most 3 advertisements.

Yeah :( Mostly I have people who make adopts who repost the same picture every few hours in my submission inbox

and I've seen on the front page people literally posting the same picture every 5 minutes. I don't get how people think that's acceptable in the least.

Not really. With the mount of stuff posted it gets burried very quickly. Every couple of hours or so seems fine to me.

front page, maybe. people who watch you? they'll probably notice :)

There should be a commission page though. It would solve the issue.

Like maybe an option to watch commission page vs. regular gallery? Or both.. Something.

I guess you couldmake a seperate account for commissions but that'd be pretty annoying too, I mean, for the artist making it. Still unsure what the hell FA's planning on the commissions thing though, they said they were gonna do SOMETHING with commissions and pages for them but. they also said there'd be a new UI, what, a year ago? two years? :X

Seperate account would mean trying to climb back up to my 500ish watchers, and trying to spread the word is a pain.

I look forward to further updates on FA's part thouh I'd imagine the admins are busy with other things too. xD;

Awesome! I figured as much from comments in one of the previous journals.

I think the point is that if you have something to advertise, buy an FA ad slot instead of spamming the site and using up the bandwidth.

That would be nice if they responded quickly to the ad emails. I waited a good week and a half, never received an official response and suddenly my ad was on the page and I don't even know when it was placed up. That's not counting the time I waited for the response to pay them. I had a couple friends mentioning seeing it three days before I did and that was with me refreshing and hunting for it. If they're really planning on enforcing this, I'd like to see better response times to adver emails and confirmations when the ad was placed up.

Don't tell me, tell them.

I did. Was just commenting back to what you had said.

If someone was spamming me every hour with auction reminders, I would probably un-watch them : /

I don't mean once an hour literally. *facepalms*

I'm just saying there should be a specific time frame for such a rule.

I guess you should have been specific with what time frame you wanted instead of saying making auction reminds every hour xD

I made a suggestion. Sorry it wasn't good enough for you?

Ryunwoofie:
Well once a day then? I don't know. What I find acceptable isn't what everyone does so let's not get nit picky, it's up to the admins not me.

Maybe unblock before replying to me? No idea why I am though. :I

Once a day maybe, but more than that in the words of Fender 'Nope!' Do not want.

Lol I don't recall who I block after a while but if you did or said something stupid somewhere your there for a reason. Sorry buddy.

Ryunwoofie: I've never spoken to you in my life.

Never had to apparently. Like I said, somewhere, not just to me.
I can't pinpoint what or where, but you said or did something I didn't agree with and thus got a block.
I never do it for any small reason. Your someone I wish to avoid. That is all. Anyway good luck! :)

Does even make sense since you don't know me and haven't actually talked to me but sure. Do whatever you want.

Doesn't**

If its more than once in a day it's still unacceptable and probably wouldn't be worth watching. :/

This!

SOUNDS LIKE IT'S TIME FOR A NEW FEATURE.


IT WILL ARRIVE WITH THE THETA RELEASE OF FA.

i like this, i would like to know how long in between, i know that people who do 24 hour auctions (i do them occasionally) will probably be hurt by this .___.

i personally am not affected by people advertising at all O^O i don't visit the front page often and such. nor do i watch many people XD

Phew! Thanks guys! That's much better. XD

Good. >8C

Good. Now, how about limiting stream notices? Those are annoying at times.

*waits for the backlash*

In the sup it gives you something about that.... ene

I was purposely being obtuse. Sarcasm still doesn't translate well into text, it appears.

Bummer. :{

Lol if there was a code for that it would make it better

Why not?
Nope
Lol

Commission prices guides may be posted, but are also limited to one at a time. Advertisements for art-related items (e.g. commission auctions, adoptables) may also be uploaded, but are limited to one at a time. Advertisements posted must be new and original submissions.


when you say one at a time do you mean once a day? or just one time and thats it?

I assume one until the auction/offer ends.

Seconding this. I'd like some clarification

I'd say within a reasonable time frame. Yes to monthly updates, no to hourly updates.

what about day to day updates?

Probably. That counts as one at a time to me.

Still trying to figure out if this is an art site, business or social network lol

all of the above.

Seeing as this is a central hub for furries, this is also one of the few sites where steady income can be made via art.

Eh not true, there are other places were people make steady income with art. Some even have their own websites and don't need FA.

Central Hub, eh it started out as an art site but now its just being shaped to be whatever people want it to be. (Or else others will constantly complain and they will have to mold to the users wantings. :P)

Then post art to attract watchers or buy ads. Don't spam people who are here for one of the other of the above.
Not necessarily talking about you, since I don't think you're one of the people that overload my inbox every freakin day with multiple journals and submissions advertising streams

I don't. I post my sketches from the last workload when I am ready to take on a new batch with a link to the new journal. ;) I'm kind of systematic in how I upload new things to my gallery.

And I've bought ads in 6 month time slots, but not everyone has that luxury of spare cash.

From what I've learned Fender buddy, the original owner intended it as an art site for furry arts. Though when he realized it could go under he just wished to cut his loses and sold it to Dragoneer who wanted to keep the site going for those who were here.

<3 Now it's a site for whatever the people want it to be.

Surprised though, that we haven't established a groups page on here for all those groups we have floating around. Like a tab you can click on to go to groups and join if you wished. Would be rather neat.

Why surprised? It took them 6 years to roll out the new UI. Oh.. Wait, that never happened did it.

lol

it's an art community.

/business /social network /furbook

hehe that last one is kinda catchy actually.

well the community part kinda includes the whole shabam

What i did was i put the original sub of auction in scarps then did a ad for it every other day. Worked just fine for me~

If just once then how are people going to get bids on there auction9just from there watcher? A lot of watchers would not even bid on the pic anyway the point of reposting the ad is to get people to bid on it... If it can't really be repost ylto get the word out then you will just Lowe money..

Can't ad porn on facebook it goes to a band ... On to the other a lot of people don't have accounts there let alone if they do a lot wount even look out for them but only if they are a popfur because mostbpeople that have people the follow them on types sits are popfurs who are butts to others... Yes that sounded very harsh :l

?????

Most of those sites have a terrible impression of furries and strongly dislike them. People get plenty of hate on there without advertising furry commissions. Most people's families are also linked in to those networks. Do you really think Johnny C. wants his grammy and grampa seeing that he's holding an auction for seven animal people having sex??

SoFurry and Inkbunny and even Weazyl are next to dead compared to this site. Advertising there will get you next to noiwhere, except maybe in the hole with your bank.

And like someone else said, that's pretty much the only way to get commissions on other sites, anyway. Advertise OFTEN.

I think that once or twice a day should be acceptable. Once every hour is a bit much, but like someone ELSE said, they easily get buried under other submissions anyway.

That's all well and good in theory, but in reality, it doesn't work for everyone. This is hurting artists, some of which may be the quiet introverts who don't get on well with small talk, who may not be the best marketers, who may not magically achieve watchers easily on any given site, and who are best off be-bopping along at their own pace when they've found a system that works for them. Not every one can achieve success in the same way. Some of us even failed before the AUP change.

Trying to justify the AUP change with the sum of 'try harder' is absurd. A site, built around arts, disregarding artists and claiming a middle ground, a compromise which limits their potential for success is backwards at best.

I saw this all coming, it was completely and utterly predictable and I worked it out very quickly what was going to happen, what the artists would think, and why it wasn't a good idea, and my worry apparently fell on deaf ears. And I don't even bother with such auctions myself because they don't work for me, but I am thinking of others here.

Hey there! Just a suggestion, but Tumblr doesn't ban...well...much of anything ^^; As long as it's legal, you can use it as a great marketing platform. If you can get your watchers to follow your tumblr page, then you can use it to upload as often as you like. I hope this helps and good luck.

Okay, here's the problem with that.

Uploading once a day doesn't flood the site at all. It brings something to the front page once a day, and gets us (artists) more exposure on our auction, be it on site or off.

The majority of people do not look at journals unless it says free art or something else intended to grab attention. If you do that often, people are going to start ignoring it or expecting it to be something unimportant. Additionally, that only alerts people who are already watching you, not new viewers.

The same goes for Twitter, Facebook, personal websites and so on. For one, not many people watch those sites of artists unless they're decently well known. Again, it's going to be the same people who see it on your journals, or uploaded that one time in your submission. If they aren't going to bid, they aren't going to bid. There's no exposure there. It's like going up to someone, asking to bum a smoke... being told that person doesn't have any... and asking again and again. What good does it do? None.

Now, don't try to say that uploading other art brings exposure to your page just as good as that ad does, because well... Not everyone uploads art every day, or even every week. I know I don't.

Like it or not, this is the same way people would get commissions on deviantart or any other site. Advertising, often. That's what uploading that image is. It's *advertising*. Once a day is *hardly* a flood. To me, if someone takes such issue with seeing one image more than once in their inbox, why are they watching any artists at all! I mean, I get dozens of uploads on my deviantart account, and I pay attention to less than half of them, due to subject matter or thumbnails that don't interest me. I don't get annoyed about that, I mean really.

Basically what you're saying is that artists can advertise on the site, but only to people who already have seen that same advertisement and have no interest in the auction or whatever else.

Additionally, regarding the adoptables rule, when I post an adoptable, save for one, it's a full character sheet, not a copy and paste job. I'm not going to compile them all into one horribly compressed image, because they're not simple little copy paste jobs. What next, upload every badge and icon into one image? That doesn't work, when you do highly detailed, large dpi images that have great details that don't show up shrunk down. Same goes for unique adoptables. I agree for copy paste ones, but come on.

If it bothers that much, why not add a widget similar to what nabyn had (and has, for sketchbook updates) that you can click on to see what auctions or advertisements people have going on? Make it easier for the artists, rather than hindering them, or at least find some kind of happy medium, rather than obliterating the chances of one party to appease another.

Very well said

So much this

I agree

I'm gonna join the like 5 people and give this a thumbs up, even though i don't draw

Don't be selfish. The vast majority of users on this site are the watchers, and we don't appreciate it when we have 5 billion submission notices, and they're all auction reminders and "STREAMING," with an icon we've thousa nd timesDon't . You'll live. You might have to get a real job some day, but you'll live.

really.. does hitting the button select all and delete really so time consuming?
I'm not a artist, but there has to be a way for them to get exposure to new audiences. I've watched several artist because I was randomly browsing and found a auction or prepose I liked, and bid on it.
If you think someone is posting more reminders or journals etc. than you want to sort through. Unwatch them. Don't tell them they cann't do it anymore. Let me add, livestream events are in my opinion, the most fun aspect of this site. Watching people draw and chatting with them is just plain fun (most of the time).

The problem is their complete lack of self control. I have friends and artists who post journals and art that I want to see. Some are actually important. They're drowned by a sea of spam. Sure, I can delete everything. Then I won't see all of the other real submissions. If they want exposure, let them post actual art. That's much or likely to draw attention. Or buy ads on the site. You want exposure? Put out some actual effort and stop harassing us.
In any case, I don't need you starting a pointless argument. I wasn't even addressing you

" If they want exposure, let them post actual art. That's much or likely to draw attention."

Not everyone completes a piece a day. I could upload a sketch, but I don't get any new watchers from sketches like I do finished pieces... not all of us spend all our time drawing, not all of us can.

"Or buy ads on the site."

I have. They're not really effective. In the rotation they're at and with the amount of people using ad block, i get maaaaybe 50 new watchers, tops. I could get that if I uploaded old art in rotation for a week... for free. I'm not paying for a service that doesn't work well. Not everyone can afford it, either.

" Put out some actual effort and stop harassing us."

Nobody is harassing anyone. Delete the upload, get over it.

"In any case, I don't need you starting a pointless argument. I wasn't even addressing you "

You are posting in a public forum. People are going to respond. If you don't want people taking serious issue with your rude and false statements (art isn't a real job, really??) then don't post.

"Stop harassing us"

Wait, weren't you the same person who sent out notes to everyone trying to get people to help your friend, failing that make advertisements for them?

So it's cool to use us and your skills when it benefits you, but not ok if we're trying to make an actual living on our "fake job"?

Just to point out, streaming ads aren't being removed, just those that provide income for artists. Also journals aren't being limited.
And while I personally don't agree with people relying 100% on commission revenue as an income if they can help it,
the economy isn't exactly conducive to employment right now. Its really not that hard to nuke your submissions if it bothers you that much, or just unwatch people. I've been annoyed by artists uploading too often in the past: I unwatched them.

There is the nuke all button, and even the cute little check box's that allow you to manually select art to delete from your inbox.

Is it really THAT MUCH of a hassle to just delete what you don't want?

Art is a real job. Wow, how rude.

Haha, wow. No really.

One a day, delete it, it's no big deal. I'm not talking about once an hour, or every few minutes, but one a day. As for watchers being the majority of users... they'd have nothing to watch without artists creating content, whether they're people like me, or beginners.

As for "a real job", art IS a real job, like it or not. I work two jobs- my day job (for your purposes a "real" job) and I freelance. Whether you define it as a job or not, it is one. I have obligations to my customers just as I do when I go to work every day. Without my second, freelancing job, I would not be able to afford all my bills, OR the occasional fun purchase. Without being able to advertise and get more exposure, I don't get commissions.

What I have described in my post is the reality of the situation and a reasonable option for both artists and watchers. If deleting a submission once every 24 hours for 5-7 days bothers you that much, I don't understand why you're watching people at all.

I find it funny that they're calling US selfish and yet they want us to risk being able to make stable income (or supplemental income) just because deleting an image is just such a hassle!

you don't understand the need for advertisement to continue making money, do you? even if some of us don't live on fa, it's still where we can make money on our talent. don't be a dick and limit us because you're too lazy to delete notifs or unwatch people that spam them. take it UPON YOURSELF to fix the problems, don't go and hope for the admins to do it for you. it's going to be funny to watch how they try and police this rule. :V

art is getting paid for a service, a job is getting paid for a service, hmmmm

art is a job, sometimes a VERY well paid job. YOU. stop being selfish

Did you seriously just suggest that art wasn't a """real job""" or am I misreading this mess of a comment?

bless this post :I

You deserve a medal because that has to be the best explanation of anything on this site. I am one of the many that has decided to take their business elsewhere. FA's rules are making it rather difficult to make money on here so I'm seeking other sources.

I think that's rather missing the point:

People have become a lot more successful BY posting regular updates on auctions and the like on FA because it is the primary visual medium these days.

You are, in essence, trying to put the proverbial genie back in the bottle because you don't like the clothes he's wearing.

FA has become a primary resource for artists to gain exposure, and this is basically FA saying "Sorry... that's not how we think it should be done, don't care if it's effective."

And I say this as someone that spends several hundred dollars a year on visual 2D art, and doesn't have a G+ or Facebook account, most I have is a Twitter and Dreamwidth anymore. Some way to 'bump' older ads afloat in the submissions floodwaters (which they really are, especially with how archaic it is w/ the whole 'mark as read' mechanism versus a proper interleaved timeline of all artists you watch) is effective for those of us that only check the site a couple times a day. Even the other art sites allow that or something similar.

If anything, the journal-spam of 'Must post a link back to this journal to get in a free art Raffle' entries are far more annoying and disruptive IMHO than keeping an auction/YCH/whatever afloat in my queue.

"If anything, the journal-spam of 'Must post a link back to this journal to get in a free art Raffle' entries are far more annoying and disruptive IMHO than keeping an auction/YCH/whatever afloat in my queue. "

This, I tried doing it once for exposure and it did no good, was disruptive, and was actually to the point where I found people just posting mass journals with raffles in order to enter, which defeated the purpose. I'll never do it again because it was that much of a hassle for ME, let alone others.

But gods forbid we upload art to gain exposure instead. Tut tut.

Understood :)

I do also but I tend to forget about my auctions sometimes vnv

lol

Thank you for reconsidering this. I can't accurately express enough how much I appreciate it.

Good

That sounds reasonable enough. Thank you for clearing that up!

Good, that rule was completely arbitrary and needed to be done away with.

Thank fucking god. Limited them to scraps was an awful idea.
Thankfully they are limited. I only post one at a time, but I see people posting ads for them every 20 minutes. -_-

God that works, Im sick of those auctions/adoptables, its so pointless. Commissions are tons better.

Sure its an art form, don't get me wrong, its just it kinda screws people with it though why pay something for a hundred dollars on a YCH auction when you can get a lower priced commission say like for fifty bucks with the same style/pose/art. I dunno its my two cents on it. c: carry on though Fender!

Wait, what?

People do YCH and regular auctions, and they regularly go $100+. My commissions start at $150, and my YCH offers in the past I've actually offered for cheaper, because it's less work for me (provided the buyer doesn't ask for a bunch of changes to the sketch, which has happened to me in the past).

Whether it's an auction for a YCH type piece or an auction for one without a pre-sketch (the only difference is that the pose you see is the one you get, rather than thinking up one on your own, which is helpful to many people), the bidding goes how it goes. If people are willing to pay a reasonable amount for the work, then good!

Not always true. My auction start at 10 and rarely go over 30$ a slot, when a regular commission from me costs 40. The people who get the spots save a few bucks, I get a little more money if there's one than more spot, and everyone's happy. :I

But it's different or everyone I guess. But either way, it's a great way to support an artist you like, and not just try to snatch some art from them.

Oh of course! Yours is reasonable, and thats fine. People should learn from you on the YCH. I guess everyone has their way on supporting artists, but Im the traditional variant just getting commissions. :] to me its an easier way to actually getting to know the artist, and such. I dunno. I got a lot of commissions from other artists, and I support them a 110% because they have such great quality.

What I don't understand is -- okay, you have a YCH auction, thats fine. I support it. But, YCH auctions shouldn't go overboard more than a hundred dollars. Unless you are willing to pay for them, and it can screw the artist/commissioner. I've got a YCH commissioned slot, IM not saying its bad, people just gotta look out for what they are selling/bartering rather barking up money. o_o

Hmm. I really dont mind seeing auctions like that. If I thought someones artwork was worth 100+ dollars and It was hard to get a normal commission slot from them, and it was something I wanted enough? I'd do it in a heart beat. And there is artwork worth that much, everywhere! I know if I had the money to blow I'd support some of my favorite artists that way. xD

But eh, that's just me!

This, plus stream notices. I just use FurAffinity Filter to filter the crap I don't care for until it's actually implemented in the site.

So what, now people will upload the same image every ten minutes, but just delete the old one before posting the new one?

It's about time something was done about all this spam. More than half my notifications are about streaming or auctions, and it drives me crazy

I'm glad this was fixed.

I don't think i entirely understand or know why this is being changed

Can't you just say that adoptables aren't sellable over FA?
Considering the fact that according to Copy-write law, you can NOT claim a character design. Only the name. To get more than that, you have to apply for TRADEMARKING, which requires paperwork and proof, THUS, anyone posting Adoptables is selling something that people can TAKE for FREE.

Better to avoid the claims of Adoptable Theft all together by banning the adoptables.

this law varies in different countries, and intellectual property is another thing to consider.

there is nothing wrong with unique adoptables.

I've noticed through posting them that some people, usually the same people, come back and collect characters from adoptable auctions to make their own little storyline because they can't afford full commissions, can't draw, or don't have a firm idea in their minds.

treating this subject as black and white as you seem to have done in this comment is not the way to go about it at all.

From what I understand, when you buy a premade design, the artist gives you full rights to use the character as your own.
I mean surely a person can take the design without permission and use it but not only is that a very dick move but it's technically art theft.

Your every day furry character can not, in fact, be copyrighted. However, characters as part of a whole (Ie a movie, book, comic) are copyrightable as well as able to be trademarked.

However, while there is nothing legally stopping someone from swiping a design, most folks are decent people and there is a market for buying designs here on the site.

And banning adoptables would cause way more trouble than it's worth. ;P But I may be biased because I design and sell my own, as well as love buying other people's designs.

In case of commission price lists posted on submissions, their place is still the scrap section or can I put as a featured submission for be visible to my customers?

Out of curiosity, do you know if FA endorses or recommends a particular website to have auctions?

Recently an artist I admire mentioned having trouble with people posting offers for his auction and then not holding their part of the bargain. I've heard some people recommend Furbuy but I'm wondering if FA as a website has some sort of "official recommendation" or something. Thanks!

Thank you! I was worried that I wouldn't get the needed traffic with things being in scraps. Glad they can be posted in the main gallery. :D

Thank you Fender!

So glad this is fixed. Thank you. :)

I'm thrilled this applies to adoptables as well! :)

Fender, bark at me pls

FA is the new Fur Bid, just one item at a time~

Now do something about the flood of "streamingg!!!" notices I constantly get in my new submissions.

Thank you. Hopefully this will also cut down on the same-image spam for streams.

All of Fenders nope?

So, only some of your nope then?

yay, less spam to see flooding about 60% of my messages on here in a day! :D

Thank God! I am getting so tired of seeing the same auction or YCH pictures over and over! I have started unwatching people I had previously enjoyed seeing art from because of it x,x

lol i love those answers.

nope
nope
nope

you may want to specify 'at a time'. space them out three or five hours? once or twice a 24 hr period?

Drunk posting still allowed?

hmm I'm a little confused about the "You may post auctions or items for sale to your galleries, but are limited to no more than one at a time." part, so we are not allowed to say post 2 sheets of adopts (say with 3 each on them) unless the first one sold out? ouo or is it when your uploading them, you cannot upload more than one sheet of adopts at a time? or is it like your not allowed to advertise your adopts?

//confused sorry

ah thank you!

I brought my coat.

Probably was just a randomly picked day. Anyway, given that not everyone sees news updates the second they happen, someone who doesn't like this policy is bound to see it on a Tuesday.

Those damn Tuesday's... >:I

:OOO

Just throwing this out there... if you use Chrome there's an extension that hides submissions and journals based on keywords. If you're like me and hate seeing almost half of all your submission/journal notifications being about commissions or streaming, just type it in and you'll never see them again.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/.....mggbejocemkogl

Excellent plugin, thanks for sharing. Glad they made a Firefox version too.

I found this on FA forums and it works great to filter "Stream!" junk submissions off my page.

Smart move.

Thanks for the update ^w^
I know this'll help a lot of people chill out at least a little.

And is it Once for EVERYTHING or could you have your one price list and an auction going on at the same time?

Alright! Thank you very much ^w^

I usually post a reminder of something every few days. Is that ok? As I've been reposting this http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9789947/ I've been deleting the old submission after a few days 3-5 days before reposting it.

Ah. Even if it's not every 10 Minutes? Like I said. I wait a few days before reposting as I try to avoid the spamming ^^; So it still counts as spamming even though I repost after 3-5 days after posting that picture?

Ah Ok. Cause I've been deleting the last one. One before it add more. But 2 gotten adopted so I removed them from the sheet since they were sold. What's on the sheet now is still open. But thanks for the clarification~

Seriously hoping this cleans up a lot of the spam of all of that. Gets a little old and tiring seeing 50% of the front page at any time being auctions and things.

So this clarifies nothing? You say it can be uploaded, and then that it can't. Whats the guide? For instance, when I have an auction up I will upload an advert once a day. I'll delete it after awhile, and upload it the next day for maximum exposure.... where does that fall?

Well, that seems excessive. One a day isn't a flood at all. :/

That's completely counter productive. Why would you advertise/remind someone of an auction that has been deleted?

Sense has not been made. :|

Now if you said, Have an auction, then allow ONE auction reminder (with specified text) up at a time, say in a 24/48 hr period - that would be logical. What you said above is not.

^^this!

All the bids would be deleted. :/

I don't like it either. Most of the time I only SEE the auction because of a reminder.

how are you supposed to ADVERTISE something that you will be forced to delete???? this is so damn ridiculous and it makes NO SENSE.

Cool. Now, can we finally get the tag blocking system so I don't have to see them at all in my inbox?

"Why Not?

Nope!"


ROTFLMAO...but thanks for the heads up!!

So people will now jam pack all their items for saleect into one humongous picture im guessing luls

all the spam. But is it ok to upload journals announcing it every so often? (not outrageously every 10 minutes, but like, once every so often)

yay! Because I dont upload a pic like that more than once xD I never saw the point in that lol someone on my watch list is bad bout that >.<

lol journals are fine cause no one reads em if they stack up past 10 XD

xD You got a point there! as to why no one really notices my auctions, or unless I make the words all capital being like "LOOK AT DIS! LOOK AT DIS NOWS!!" :DD

yeah, the restrictions only really restrict lesser knows artists. Popular artists are fine cause they have 10,000+ followers, but to those of us under 500, there isn't much way to get noticed otherwise. :\

i got 1900+ watchers, but only bout 500 notice me xD

Does this count towards people posting advertisements for streams? Because currently, there is no other way to broadcast your streams except for in journals and only your watchers would see it (if even that sometimes)

Sweet~

I was wondering the same thing.

Wow, FA is actually sort of cracking down on their lowest common denominators.

Define... "at a time"

Then, my first question, what about users who advertise offsite things such as say... cushy pen, webcomics, other art sits, etc, by uploading pictures in their gallery that link to those sites? (in other words, use FA for free advertising). Or users hwo post "teaser" pics of said sites?

well ill use the example of cushypen again, there are a select number of users from FA who have stopped posting art here on a regular basis, and instead have taken to posting "teaser" images to cushypen, which is a pay to view website, with no affiliation to FA.

Personally i take this as a form of free advertising for another website to make money, and ive given my 2 cents to the artists who do it.

this site is run by idiots

its easy to joke but you guys seem to rarely listen to user feedback and the things you implement are so trivial that it almost seems pointless but that's just my personal observation

While I don't agree with your initial sentiment, I'm personally not pleased with the non-chalant manner of the post (it just seems really rude), and the excessive manner of "no you can only ever post one ever"...because that def. gets the word out. once. To maybe 10, 20 people max.

Trivial to you maybe, but anyone who's trying to sell a product might not feel the same

i should clarify, the people complaining about to many submissions of open commissions, journals, and streams need to calm down, if they don't like it just delete them/unwatch the artist. in the grand scheme of things it is trivial complaining for the sake of complaining

It's really hard to ignore it when it literally covers the front page half the time, but that's only half of it. The other point was that people technically weren't allowed to post advertisements on the main page, which is counterproductive.

This is a bit hypocritical too, just so you know

well it sure seems like the new rules are made to hinder the artists that are the very lifeblood of this site. why? because users don't like having to select and delete a submission?

It's too hard to delete submission!

I agree with this, if people don't like auctions then they can easily delete them. Some of us live off these auctions and adopts. It's bullshit. I mean, there's a shit ton of people on here who are like.
"Bawwwwww they're uploading art too many times, it's so hard to delete them, stop posting journalsssssss -Sobbu-"

It's kind of pathetic really.

Of course! Eliminate the one bit of excersize some people get! NO MORE CLICKING!

actually instead of just complaining ill offer an idea, why not make a section for auctions like you have a section for Music, and Writing?

Dont let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

i ain't goin' nowhere

Then why not leave? Nobody's forcing you to be a member here.

Is it okay for someone for leave adverts of their STREAMS (not auctions) up for hours (over even a day or two) after its ended? I know its unrelated, but I figured I'd ask.

I have to say I like the limitation much more than outright elimination. Thank you for the amendment.

Somehow i feel like it was the plan to scare people with the threat of elimination, so they could more easily implement their actual goal of cutting people back.

I'll take the change because this site has traffic, unlike a lot of the others. But really I think it just caters to popufurs.

Actually, I felt that the original form of this rule was catering to the popufurs more so, because they have so many watchers that being unable to broadcast their advertisements to non-watchers wouldn't really affect them as much as it would those like us, that do not have many watchers and somewhat rely on the Front/Browse page to get customers.

Though I can totally see what you're suggesting being truth. It's making people embrace this rule much better than they would have before.

*nods* still is doing so, due to how easily submissions get buried in the browse and how few people actually stop to read journals, but yes the original form of the rule definitely did.

And yeah it totally makes sense, right! XD

Ah yah I know, submissions get pushed off the front page so fast, especially certain times of the day. But I post them anyways and hope to get lucky. I have many times before and gained new watchers and even new friends. It's just a matter of luck and knowing when the best time to post is.

Kinda like fishing. Which is why I always say I'm "Commission fishing" xD

Yep, I thought due to the old rule I'd have to start shamelessly pimping my art every time someone new faved or commented on something of mine XD

And yeah same, I've met a lot of awesome people through stream posts and ych auction posters, many of whom I'd never have known about had I not found them under browse. When you're new, it's the easiest way to find new people who fit your style. And if popufurs is all you see, it'd be pretty difficult to find people on your level with affordable prices and willing trade art and the like.

True words

Fuck yeah, fucking finally.

For the adopts is it refering to posting the same adopts again and again or can you only have one sheet of any type of adopt?

Like I post a sheet of cats and then a sheet of dogs, is that not allowed?

Okay. :3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

This as opposed to updating an outdated website so make things more convenient. :I

this, beating down artists that make the site what it is instead of focusing on things that REALLY matter

its impossible to police

instead of taking care of things that matter, that can be policed....

seems pretty damn limiting to me

as many have said, its no problem to the popular artists, but the lesser known artists, being the main ones who're affected by this 'rule' will be suffering because of it

there is more i'd like to add to this, but its 4am here, and I'm too tired to bother putting across an argument

Mmmmhm. BI

Awesome, a good middle ground ^^

What's the right time to post ads?

5 minutes?

10 minutes?

20 minutes?

30 minutes?

An hour?

I...somehow missed the previous update ^^; But, this seems fair to me. Thanks a bunch, Fen! I shall comply.

So, to clarify...

...does 'at a time' mean that, to post a second one, you must delete the first?

+Like

THANK YOU. Frankly I was quite upset the other day that a 'Your character here' auction of mine didn't do as well as I'd hoped because of an admin moving it to scraps. It was a rule I'd never seen implemented before and I am VERY GLAD for it to be gone!

*MASSIVE ROUND OF APPLAUSE*

this

yeaaah even the fact i can only have one up at a time is totally kosher with me since I only ever post -one- auction and then subsequent journals about it but only ever post -one picture- so im glad for the change. it effects me and -helps- me greatly

I mean, I only ever post one at a time anyway, but since I'm still a baby artist in this fandom (>500 watchers here), it's hard to get noticed unless I advertise. I'll take the change only because I don't have a choice in the matter. It's either that or move to less popular sites. :\ it's funny, when I started here a year ago, i used to really like this site.

I'm curious...and I know this is most likely way off topic but, long ago I heard that in a new FA update there would be folders where people could organize their art and stuff, but will that ever happen? o3o If so it would be epic.

~Spooky

I don't generally tend to have questions, since everything stated above and in comments is pretty clear, but I am a little hazy on something.
I know that it says you may only post one of these things at a time. ( 1 Sale/etc and 1 commissions sheet).
Here's where I get a little confused.
After the sale or what have you is completed, do we need to completely remove the sale image altogether or are we allowed to send it to scraps?
And, if we're not allowed to send them to scraps, will we be penalized for old sale submissions in scraps that were there before the new rules took effect?

Less crap on front page is good.

Yes it is. I perform all browsing using the front page only and refuse to use anything else.

Sharp response!

So wait, I can only have one active YCH going on at a time?

Well, I can't say that I'm very happy with this change since it's cutting directly into my sales, but I'll manage...btw how many changes to the AUP ARE we going to have on this friggin' subject?

You could always have more than one YCH auction, but have them in your scraps, and link to them with one advertisement for ALL of them in your main.

Fender/Dragoneer, would that be acceptable?

It's cool, I already have a solution to my problem XD

Ah okie dokie, just though I'd toss ya an idea :3

It's not a bad idea though, thanks for putting it in my head. :)

I'm no way an artist nor do commissions. I don't mind seeing the posts as long as it is like once a week.

I really care less if it is "ORIGINAL" submissions. Keep posting your streams and prices and for sale stuff. As long as I am not clearing the ONE out every day... I don't care.

I find it rather sad that you can't "reuse" the same image if it is the only one and not spammed like a .... well I will just say just don't annoy me plz.

AUP transformers more than my icon. No that I'm complaining but, geez.

There's been more than 2 -3 changes in the AUP as of recently. >_>

I guess it's a good thing I don't drink caffeine of any kind then.

It's not a valid statement though. For an AUP, it has indeed changed a lot in the past year, feedback or not. I'm not one to balk against rules, I just like rules to be rules, with a bit of consistent longevity.

Not all replies will be pats on the back of course and it's not really a statement of total disagreement. Just an observation.

BTW, telling someone to cut back on caffeine isn't very professional (or mature either) just because they aren't jumping up and down in praise. Just saying.

Holy fuck thank you. I am so SICK of my inbox being flooded with advertisements. I'm happy for artists trying to get money and all but some take it over the top... Like one keeps putting up her adoptables over and over again that don't sell, and another posted YCH reminders every hour or so.. >.>


Yay Admins on this. I approve

I still have that feeling people won't read this and be aware of the update.

Should also do one under 'YCH' and put "Stop being a lazy fucker and draw peoples wished poses"

But decent update for once :U

I'm a bit confused, If I make 3 characters for adoption that are all unique art, I can't upload them at all? Where do I put them?

Do stream notices count as ads?

I think they mean group adoptables. If the material is new content, than it doesn't repeat I.E doesn't fall under the category of 'repetitive advertising' which was, undeniably, a problem.

So, I currently have a submission on my page offering $5 avatar commissions. Am I to assume that I have to delete it before uploading any other submissions that advertise visual art commissions?

Also, am I to assume that if I only create 10,193 adoptables, I can post a submission for each one of them?

I'm sorry, but I loled hard at your last question.