It's the exact same thing the WBC does. >.>

And the exact same people that make my heart sick and my rage grow.

The difference is that Westboro Baptist Church is mostly comprised of lawyers who specifically egg on people at funerals and such to trigger a violent reaction so they can sue them. They're horrible, but for a completely different reason.

I have a fear of pregnancy and retarded when it comes to flirting.
I understand mostly how you feel...

Dumb cunts... the adults, not the children. People who force their kids into stuff like that shouldn't be parents.

Your icon...So fitting!

yet they're telling us to be parents without choice. I don't get it.

People like that are up there in the worst group of 'creatures'. They are exploiting children to further their goals, they are making kids into tools for what they want. If they're preaching their bible then they're completely ignoring that whole "created with free will" thing that came with being a human. They are putrid, and make me sick.

I have so much respect for you.

Guh, I skinned my knees and bombed a test because of it... would rather it didn't even happen.

This is one of those moments where i'm glad i'm a dude >.>

But fuck man...that's pretty damn brutal...sorry you had to experience that kind of shit

OxO what?! Seriously? Fffffff I can't believe they would be so callous! -hugs- I'm sorry hon...I don't agree with abortion...but even I know there is certain circumstances (like rape) that even I would have to think twice. I really wish people like that would put themselves in a victim's shoes. Their ignorance is irritating....

See this is a reason I feel humanity is in a good number of ways a plague :3 not cause your ranting I mean because there are people out there like that and such.

You wouldn't blame those children for what they were doing, but there's every chance that the parents were just like those kids at one point. Young, oblivious and raised to be 'brainwashed'. Is it still their fault that it's all they know? Just to be clear, I'm not trying to support them in their cause or their methods (the latter being completely disgusting), nor that this is true for every case, but its still a possibility.

This is why I hate most religions.

Exactly this (Like I mentioned in my comment here). By the way, I'm sorry to say but I love your icon... it made me laugh.. where is it from?

It's 'The Stag' from the TV show Adventure Time. I had to cut down the full animation to fit the filesize restrictions for FA though. Here's the full version: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l.....hn2ao1_500.gif

I honestly think that civil war, or even American extinction is coming unless we change our habits. Some people really only care about money, even if it means the world under their feet disintegrated. How absurd is that?

Why do they have children doing it?
Because Americans are conditioned to see children in a cause then that cause must be important.

As long as you say "this is bad because children" or say "think of the children" or have children against it, people will flock to your cause, even if its a genocide of a people. Ok that may be taking it to far, but children are always the first thing people leap to as a means of protecting to push across their own agenda.

I think it was specifically because the cause on hand was 'don't kill fetuses' which lead to children.
The point for me was that children shouldn't be exposed to those things. period. the end.

I know, but they do, the parents want that point to get across by any means and they want their children to carry that torch, instead of letting them have a thing called a childhood.

I hate to say it but I'd have to disagree. Censoring children from the real world doesn't exactly help them in it.

*hugs tightly* i agree with you 100% dear~
those people are nothing short of monsters....and i'm sorry for offending the monsters x.X

But don't you know? If it was a LEGITIMATE rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down :D

Seriously though, I agree 100 percent with you. I hate these assholes and their signs that nearly cause me to have a damn panic attack. Every few semesters they will come on to my college campus and spout their bullshit. The last time they came, we (myself and the LGBT club-thing) all made a circle with our backs to them to block their bullshit, and the time before that we actually got the campus police to throw them off campus because they were using megaphones, targeting people and causing a huge disturbance.

I'm all for free speech, but fuck those people.

They had a police escort or I would have decked them... Not sure who said they could even come on campus...

Most of the time they will pick publicly funded schools, which allow access to the general public during daylight hours, or they will ask the schools Christian whatever organization to sponsor them, that way they technically have a right to be on campus since they are working together with a school club, at least on paper anyway.

You should complain to the administration or whoever authorises third-party visits. What you just described was fucking disgusting.

On a happier note, I'm going to try to finish that old review today.

Man what a bunch of no good assholes. Geez I mean come on, like you said what happens if you get raped and then you have a child of a rapist motherfucker that makes sick to my balls.

I am so, so sorry.
I would not have been able to contain myself, either.
Ugh.
*shudders*

Same here on the "misogynistic MONSTERS breathe brimstone and excrete hate" line.

I'm sorry you had to face that today. That horrible to see. Adults ignorance is there own they should never have children with them. Weathers it's abortion or some religious bs they are trying to convince people of. I hate it when they have kids with them, Sometimes I think I should carry around a number for child's family service's and get there name's when I see this.

That have such a horrible perception of what abortion is to the people who have to get it. I do say there are some a very small amount of women who do miss user abortion. It's not a large number at all and normally it's just due to ignorance or a lack of social and governmental help that leads women to miss use that. For every other women out there, I cannot even begin to speak for them. I know If I ever had I'd feel horrible. I don't need some miss guided morons telling me to hate my self when I most likely already would have.

Getting pregnant is already a fear of mine, they don't need to rub it in. I have made it a personal thing to go up to these people and try and shove my opinion down there throats. While it may never change anyone's mind least I know they have herd it right from a women's mouth speaking for her self.

again I'm sorry you had to go threw that, people like that are horrible and honestly should just shove it.

This made me vomit. I would have done something to them they never would forget

While I think there should be laws controlling abortins. Saying it's the woman's fault is the most repulsive insult to any woman. I may not be a woman, but I know somebody who had a stillborn and there were guys just like these at an anti-choice rally and all these images just made her sick. Especially with her kids present.

All I can say is this. Welcome to America.

The thing is that that's not America. That is a fringe group that is way louder than the majority of the more rational and sane people that make up America. And unfortunately, the louder you are, the more prevalent you seem to be.

Yeah... Sadly.

In some states, the rapists have legal parental rights.

Are you fucking shitting me.

While on a technicality, from skimming, they have to seek them, there are chances they can sue, like in the case of Prewitt, and win (her rapist lost, thank goodness).

So, they're saying even if a woman was raped, it's her fault and she should take care of that baby?
I find that disgusting that they would subject children to these tactics now to make these victims feel bad.

But that is how hatred and fear are taught, and passed along. It's also one of the hardest things to undo, so 'get 'em while they're young.'

It's a disgusting, horrible thing...but sadly effective...

I'm not taking a stand on this issue here, so please don't argue the point with me. I just want to clarify that I don't think many pro-lifers believe that rape is the victim's fault at all. They just believe that even though the pregnancy is unwanted and forced upon them, they should still allow the baby a chance at life. Once again, I'm not saying that this is my personal belief; I just want to clarify theirs.

I don't mean to get into a tone argument, but you shouldn't let this get to you so bad because these types are going to be around for a long time (I would say they're a dying breed, but unfortunately the glut of abortion clinic closures and lobbying for more strict abortion regulations unfortunately contradict that) and it's just going to bring you down.

The thing to realize is that if you get into an argument with this people, they will not give you the benefit of the doubt; when they've gotten to the point of anti-choice rallying, this belief is so ingrained into their lives that only massive social pressure from all parts of their lives are going to make them doubt it (and of course that's unlikely given the like-minded company they keep). Something shocking is that there are a lot of stories involving parents who will get abortions for their daughters, but picket the clinic every day of the week because - my favorite phrase - "fuck you, got mine".

Really, the only approach is to point out the undermining flaws to their belief: that those pictures are often depicting third-trimester miscarriages, any men among them cannot argue in good faith that they're being moral when this does not affect them, and that the very concept that God would want for women to suffer with an unwanted child betrays the concept that he is supposedly a benevolent god.

Putting any more effort into arguing with them is effort that is infinitesimally better-spent on increasing social awareness of the facts. It's hard to ignore when someone is telling others dangerous lies, I know, but letting yourself lose control will only feed into their belief of pro-choice activists being angry and irrational.

It was the kids that got me more than anything else...

Whoa... I've never seen the protests with kids in them. Kids walking past sure, the place was close to a school that led out and these people were yelling at the teenage girls walking past telling them not to have sex and not to have abortions. I seriously almost wrecked my car into one of the ladies having an argument with a teenage girl who "didn't want to see that shit" (her words).

One of the times i wished i could mimic my playing grand theft auto games and just drive on the damn sidewalk to hit these people harassing children.

Of god, I know. I'm a fucking pacifist and I would have punched if the officer wasn't there.

I sure the officer wouldn't have mind

Now that was a fun read!

Holy shit some girl did pretty much just that for her persuasive speech in my speech class and used abortion pictures so awful 3 people ran out the throw up and one of them immediately dropped out of the class after. Man when innocent children are involved to that's just so infuriating and ugh, I feel your anger.

People are just.....
there's reasons I prefer the internet, let's just say that.

But I'm proud you stood up for your believes. Good job Sal.

Personally, I really can't stand anyone who feels they have a God given right to force their view, down your throat, whether it's abortion, gay marriage, or whatever. In fact, I'm sick to death of extremists of any stripe, whatsoever. Just sick and tired of hearing about how "your", personal, often woefully ill-informed opinion on anything, gives "you" the right to beat other people down. Quite frankly, there isn't a single issue on God's sweet Earth, where anyone can claim outright moral superiority. And anyone who claims they can, is an asshole.

Not you personally, Salkitten, I mean you, as in the the extremists. *Sighs* Sorry about venting there for a second. If anything, you have my total sympathy, because I would have exploded myself in that situation, and I'm a guy. And involving children in that kind of twisted farce, is so disgusting, that it would only serve to make me blow my top, that much faster. You're completely right, exposing their kids, to something so graphic, when they're too young to even have a proper frame of reference to comprehend what's going on....those poor kids are going to be scared for life.

As far as abortion goes, I'm not going to start a huge discussion on it here. Except to say that I think Akin and the other idiot running for Congress, who obviously failed high school, human biology, damned well should have had someone proofread that speech, before they made it. Or else should have had the common sense God gave a hash brown, and kept it to themselves. Such profoundly ignorant comments, only serve to create the kind of toxic atmosphere, where the people who need help the most, are too scared to ever seek it out.

Ditto to that first paragraph.

Dude what. Children were involved in this? They involved children?

Words cannot express.... the level of not right that that exudes....

And here's the kicker. Once the children are born, if it's to poor parents or illness or in situations beyond their control, many of the people who would force someone to bear a child because of some weird belief suddenly often seem to stop caring about what happens to them.

Yea, agree whole heartily, my personal opinion on abortion is; I'm a man, I have no womb, and I can't fully understand what its like to have one. So as far as I'm concerned it's a WOMEN'S choice, not mine. If a friend of mine were to ask me directly weather she should get an abortion I'd have to say no unless it was for one of the reasons you stated, or if there was no for her to reasonably raise the child herself or put it up for adoption, better the child not be born at all than it ruin both there lives. But in the end, as I already said, it would have to be the women's choice, not mine...

Reading about that...just made my head hurt. Stupid people D:

You did see the little disclaimer at the top right? if you didn't, here it is again:

"So, this is a touchy subject. If you're extremely sensitive to abortion discussion, please back out now because I'm going to rant. "

I'm sorry it upset you, but in all fairness, it was in plain view.

Just...ugh. So...many things. Just hearing about this is giving me a lump of frustration and and anger. I can't imagine how infuriating it was to witness it.

Fortunately, it seems like those groups are starting to die out of mainstream culture as we as a whole recognize that people have a damn say over their damn lives. Unfortunately, when animals are backed into corners, they tend to get the most hostile. Its even more unfortunate that they had to drag kids into their fucked-up views as well...

I'm sorry assholes (I wish there was a stronger word for the fucks I could think of right now) did that to you, Sal. People like that are despicable and truly don't deserve to breath the rest of the civilized world's air. I know it must've shaken you up, so just try to relax and take it easy. Realize that people like that are a dying breed and most (or at the very least close to most) would think they're disgusting people. The world is changing, it really is; we just have to deal with the stragglers kicking and screaming as they're knocked out of relevancy. And we are; or at least, I try to hope we are.

You're a very brave and strong person, Sal. Don't let these people get the better of you. They don't deserve you or anyone else's valuable time. Stay strong, Sal.

Welcome to the world of misanthrope.

I'm sorry for the things my misguided people have done and do. I'm sorry.

I believe the subject is entirely up to the women involved with the pregnancy. As a male I do not have to bear the labor or pain of a pregnancy and my argument should be null and void as is. With that said, their behavior was disgustingly biased and deplorable and I would not be above giving them a piece of my mind, within reason, I am sorry to hear you had to deal with that. I hope you feel better soon

"Pro-life" people are some of the most deluded, most hypocritical people on the planet. They want to reduce abortions but they are against contraceptives and birth control, and want to force teenagers to be abstinent, when it's been proven time and time again that IT DOESN'T WORK. And when the baby is actually born they suddenly lose all interest and decide that the mother and her baby are freeloaders that don't deserve any help and ought to die. Nothing pisses me off more though when these sacks of shit do this in a situation that they have no understanding of. I read about a man and his wife who had to abort the baby because it had a rare disfigurement that left it without certain vital organs, and it basically had no chance of survival, it would have been suffering in the short time it would be alive. And some ladies protest in front of the clinic they are in showing pictures of aborted babies and condemning the parents, and the dad actually goes out there and challenges them. That couple was already in pain and having the worst day of their lives and these women thought that by calling them murderers and shaming them they were changing anything. Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYS9HUIRUVo

People. ._.

I wish you didn't have to go through that, Sal.

I maintain that sole sovereignty of the body rests in the brain that within it. When one factors in that childbirth is not perfected to an art of only getting pregnant because you wanted to and that medicine can guarantee you'll survive labor (natural or C-section) or that the child will not be born of unbearable abnormality, then no man or woman should voice their opinion about a woman not wishing to become a mother (or have extras).

Motherhood = A Hell of a lifetime investment.

Furthermore, anti-abortionists never factor in that we don't need more kids put up for adoption as an alternative either.

I agree, I love children, I love babies. I am not one for abortion and I would never want to be in a position to have to have one but if some one I knew was going to have to have one I would expect them to have a good reason [I really hope that doesn't come off as harsh... I'm not meaning it to be]. I would not judge them if they felt they had to, it happens and all I could do was be there for them when it's over.

Now I've known people who have in fact abused it to the point where they would have abortions just to spite the father, those people I do not like. But again, if they have a reason, then the best thing to do is be available to comfort them.

I have black and whites but Abortion no matter how I feel about it is a huge grey area for me.

+1 Respect

I don't think I had ever been quite so angry as when they came to our campus a couple of years ago. I literally went up and told one of them that I was ashamed to be a student at a university who let them demonstrate.

What is outrageously preposterous about them is that they employ shock tactics to mislead people about the reality of abortion. Yes, it's bloody, but so is any surgery. So is birth. Images of C-sections would be just as horrifying as the images they hold up.

I've never seen children involved in these displays and it is disgusting that they have been dragged into it.

They do continue to put up their 20 foot tall posters of bullshit on my campus, but nowadays I just keep my distance.

I know I'm going to get a LOT of flak from saying this, but ... this journal is EXACTLY why I think religion is THE worst thing to EVER happen to the human species. It destroys the logical functioning minds of otherwise intelligent people and turns them into hatemongering nonsense-spewing egotists. Our society would be a THOUSAND times better without religion.

Now, to be fair, not EVERYONE is that way. Some are perfectly capable of having a belief system that enriches their personal lives without trying to control others and criticize their every life decision, and i have nothing but respect for those individuals. I'd defend to my last breath the right for someone to believe in WHATEVER they feel they need to, even if that belief is the belief that there's nothing to believe in. But when someone wants to use their beliefs as a weapon to hurt, judge, and oppress others ... I say FUCK no. They can go to hell and rot.

I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. "Pro-lifers" never cease to infuriate me. They're right up there with people who are against Gay Rights and Creationists. The lowest of the lowest lifeforms.

Breathe. I'm sorry you ran into these guys. It'd be upsetting for me and I don't even have a vagina. But these guys are wrong, and they're about to lose any and all credibility out of places like where I grew up where information and opinion can be very tightly controlled.

I think Americans are waking up to the fact that our problems are about predatory lending, health care access, and infrastructure rather than about enforcing bigotry. And these guys are obviously not pro-life at all, as I'm fond of saying; it's painfully obvious that they believe that human rights start at conception and end at birth, and there's only so much average people can buy into political propaganda with so little regard for children, teenagers, adults and senior citizens. The anti-abortion faction are the bad guys and they're scary as hell, sure, but they are going to lose.

People like that are pro-rape. They disgust me in ways I cannot even describe. First and foremost, they have no right to tell someone how to govern how they live and what choices they make. Second, involving children in such matters is a form of brainwashing. Children are impresionable at a young age and usually do as they are taught by their parents. 9 times out of 10, they have no fucking idea. And finally, these people have neve experienced anything like rape or the choice between having a child or having an abortion. They will likely never know, and thus have no real fucking idea what it is they're preaching. Unwanted pregnancies are more often than not complete accidents, and abortions aren't exactly a walk in the park for those that want one. They come with risks too. No one's life should be destroyed because some fucknuts think abortion is bad. The fetus technically isn't a person yet because it hasn't developed. You can't just say "it's alive so it's people too" and go off on these dumbass strikes. You know what else is alive? Trees. Know what they do? Give us oxygen that we need to breathe. What are people doing to them? Cutting them down and turning them INTO THE FUCKING SHIT YOUR SIGNS ARE MADE OF.

I swear to Ra I hate people sometimes...

While I'm in the other Camp on this subject as in "I consider myself pro-life" with exceptions made for Rape, Incest, and Life of the mother. I agree with you 100% that using children...WHO have NO idea what they are supporting...to support a cause such as this is immorally wrong. To expose young children to these emotional scarring images is despicable. These People should be ashamed of themselves, this is not how people should get their message across. Its not wrong to oppose something...but its wrong to take advantage of children for your own benefit or to expose them to material that is graphic. I'm almost ashamed to call myself pro-life cause of all the bullshit the right-wing zealots do. I disagree....but I not the point of calling them baby killers or monsters... I disagree but I respect your rights as a Citizen of this country to do what you want in accordance of this country's laws.

And just to clear up things...not all Pro-life people are like this at all..some of them are folks like me that just don't agree with it. But don't let Zealotry and Hate get the better of us :/ Also if anyone is wondering I'm Also against the Death Sentence and I'm For Gay Marriage just to let folks know where I stand X3

All I have to say to this is:

I completely agree. Getting kids involved is just plain wrong, but I feel forcing children to believe in anything is wrong, let them grow up and choose.

Isn't there any sort of law against having children exposed to that kind of material?

I think the pictures that were used likely would have been rated unfit for children, the police shouldn't protect them, they should arrest the goddamn parents for mental and repeated scarring of the innocense of their children through protests and frankly disgusting use of images.

While I do agree with you, I find it a bit odd you would would describe it as a "birthright "

These sorts of people protest to get a reaction from you. Don't respond to them, because in doing so, you add fuel to their fire.

:/

I will always say my opinions are my own, and if anyone agrees with what i say; i always tell them to stop kissing ass.

I agree with what you say.

Stop kissing ass.

I really respect how you feel about it and without a doubt I agree with you. It's just that freedom of speech is quite a double edged blade. I do agree that a college of all places is inappropriate for such a protest. People who lack enough sense and education shouldn't be protesting in front of a university or college.

I completely agree with your stance on the issue. In an effort to cheer you up a little bit, check out the Westboro Baptist Church's newest neighbor: http://www.advocate.com/politics/re.....baptist-church

Same with those guys believing that rape automatically prevents the female from becoming pregnant, unless she enjoys it .-.

Your body, your decisions. Fetus' aren't conscious until birth, so you should be well allowed to do so before that. Period.

I share their views but I still don't know why they were out picketing about it. Bloody attention whores.

wow.

The unfortunate trade-off with Free Speech is that eventually someone will say something you don't agree with.

In retrospect, you could file a complaint with administration. I'm assuming the college is private property, and if those guys were there without permission then it's technically trespassing. On the other hand, if they were there with permission, maybe if enough complaints are sent against them then future permission to express themselves may be denied.

If the college is not private property, then I'm afraid there's little you can do.

They had a police escort so I assume they were allowed to be there.

A sound, logical assumption.

You win all my this-weeks-respect.

Hell, take the rest of the year. Good on you.

and I would seriously love to take up arms against people like that, but too bad that's a bad thing.

I say bad in quotation.

Rape is an absolutely sickening thing. It isn't just the pregnancy that is a scar, the mental trauma (as far as I know...) Doesn't ever go away.
I myself was raped and sexually, and, I'm terrified of sex in real life, I'm terrorfied of being alone with people, even friends, and, I have trust issues because of it. To say that the woman is at fault for rape, is absolutely despicable.

I'd like to point out that while I'm a guy, I agree with you fully. They are NOT out to save souls, or save lives, those sort of people are out for a combination of attention, and to force their decisions on everyone else.

*hugs you and gives you both a hanky and a muffin* Thank you for standing up for them, I hope your knees heal soon.

(As a side note, guys fear pregnancy too. Not just that 'oh shit I don't want to be a father' panic but also the fear of someone you love having complications.)

Yeah, no kidding... I'm glad some men are aware of how scary it is, too. That gives me some hope~

ALL OF THIS. This is the truest thing ever. I have a Planned Parenthood building nearby and I always see protesters out there. There are signs across the street stating that any protesters on that side of the street will be prosecuted. I also have Illinois Route 59 near my house and I saw some protesters standing there with big signs with aborted fetuses on them. I was so tempted to steer my mom's car into these people, I swear to God. They deserve nothing but pain and their own special place in Hell. I know just how you feel.

They're already in their own hell of ignorance. Whether they go to heaven or not later, I know they're stuck in their self-created hatred NOW.

I hear that. I wish them the worst of luck.

I'm guessing America doesn't have free contraception over there unlike the UK.

I feel that the distress & pain of abortions could be avoided if women were given access early enough to free contraception.

If more & more women have this service available to them, then possibly situations like this could be avoided, or at least a lot less frequent.

No kidding... but no, some people in America want to outlaw even that, saying that tax money shouldn't go to contraception either.
I don't get this world.

It makes no sense.

It would be one of the most worthwhile things America could ever spend money on, plus helps keep options open to women.

.....I really have nothing so say to this....
My faith for humanity is now slowly decreasing....

I would be interested to see a different approach- like them holding up giant posters of the morning after pill, and handing out condoms. Even providing little cans of pepper-spray, rape whistles, and anti-rape air-horns.

I agree... we might agree to disagree on political stance, but prejudice rarely solves anythings. The best approach they could have went with was this. Some people take pride in being ignorant hicks throwing bibles and bible verses at people.

To me, it doesn't even matter if you were raped to get an abortion... abortion should be something you can choose to get (As long as it's under the third trimester in which the fetus is actually developed enough to be distinguished between a lump of cells that have no function what so ever and something that actually has a brain, nervous system, ect) regardless.

To me, from a logical and factual point of view, an embryo/undeveloped fetus is no more distinct from being a person than any other cells on or in your body. Getting your tonsils removed would be murder... appendix removed would be murder, even scrap and killing your skin cells would be murder. Killing tumors would be murder, ect... but it's not, so why should this be any different? Lets not forget what stem cell research can do anyways. There is no reason to sacrifice your life if you don't want to, to support a child that the system wouldn't care about otherwise. The law isn't going to help them... the government isn't going to give a shit... as far as they're concerned, it's only a person until it's born.

Though I would like to point out that being 'pro life' isn't synonymous with misogyny. Except in this case, where it seems to be a hate group of people. I use to be a very strong pro lifer and I did so without prejudice or hatred. I didn't see it as telling women, or female bodied people what they can and can't do... I saw it as them bringing a child into the matter who didn't have a choice. If you want to understand a mindset like that, then just think of it like this.

-A woman goes and get's pregnant (assuming it's not rape)
-And now there is an 'innocent' person involved.
-That person had the choice to have sex.
-The baby did not.
-Then there are people crying about misogyny and how it's their body.
-And just the title of "pro choice" itself is a big "fuck you" to a lot of pro lifers.


I've been abused all my life by my mother, who justified it by saying she owned me... which she technically did because legally I was her property. I guess one of the reasons I was pro life is because it's like I see my mother in them saying "This is my toy to play with. This isn't a person.".
By the way... not to be "that person" but you know... not every woman shares the same opinion about getting an abortion. Like me for instance, if I was cis female... and I was going to get an abortion, then I would perceive it as 'me wanting an abortion'.


I hope you have a good day, and I'm sorry for your foul luck. I don't know what to say about hate groups... especially ones that bring their children into it. As cruel as it sounds, there is nothing you can do about it... few people in life change... and those kids might grow up to be as hateful as their parents, just like their parents probably were before them, or they might grow up to challenge their parent's mentallity... in which case you have to give them a break because they've been indoctrinated their whole entire life, so you can't expect them to understand the mindset of not being prejudice, or you can't expect them to understand as easily..

I'm sorry, but you're ignorant of the latest science regarding embryology and fetal development or you're just deliberately ignoring it. We have plenty of evidence that the fetus can feel pain and exhibit signs of conscious awareness long before the third trimester.

Also, the idea that even in the earliest stages of fetal development, the fetus is qualitatively no different than any other grouping of cells is absurd. All the cells in a person's body contain the genetic make up or chromosomal pattern of that individual. A fetus, from the moment of conception, contains its own unique genetic code completely separate from the mother. All the genetic information that makes up that individual identity is brought into existence right from the start. Tonsils and appendixes are not genetically distinct, developing individuals. They have absolutely no potential of becoming anything other than bodily organs. A fetus, unless otherwise disrupted by a biological or external inhibitor, is a human individual and will develop into a full human being. No random grouping of cells have that potential.

If you had been aborted in the first trimester of pregnancy, you would not be here today. You're life would have been taken without your consent. The only difference between you being killed then and being killed now is that you have the potential to suffer a great deal of pain before you die. But in either case, your life has been taken by some else without consideration for your choice and will to live. So really, those who take this position ground human moral in sentience and sufficient mental awareness alone which is an arbitrary move. The idea that a cluster of cells, as you would have it, suddenly becomes morally valuable and warrants consideration because some of its cells have developed into a sufficiently complex nervous system is irrational and arbitrary. So your position is inherently incoherent. Human value must be grounded in something other than a mere complex nervous system if it is to exist at all. And, as I said, even going by your standards of "personhood" or moral consideration, you would have to consider the right of the unborn child to live before the third trimester.

Well shit, if you're going to call me stupid and say there is plenty of science regarding, then at least post some kind of sources or reason to believe.

IF I had been aborted. But this isn't about hypothetical what ifs. Making the argument that "It could have been you!" well, so what? If It was me, then I wouldn't be here to notice, maybe, unless you believe in some sort of spiritual explanation for birth or something along those lines. It's not a person to consent. Besides, we do not need more people... and abortion is a helpful form of birth control, as stem cell research can mend a lot of people's problems.
If we're going to start calling embryos or fetuses people at the moment of their conception, and use the argument that that we're taking their life without their consent, then are we going to start being nice to all the animals of the world and stop eating meat too? Maybe if we did that, then the bears and the fish would be friends, and alligators and humans can live in harmony and swim in the same swamps. They aren't people to consent in my opinion. No my stance is that a human fetus should reach a certain point of development to where it's distinct from other mere cells to when it should not be aborted. Hence, the third trimester.

I don't see what's arbitrary about having a complex nervous system, can you explain? Surely that's the only sensible criterion that separates human life from other animal life.