Regarding How I Run the Stream
12 years ago
You know, I never thought I'd have to write this, but this kind of thing is to be expected in social communities so I really shouldn't have seen Little Tales as any different. My last couple of posts made some folks come and vent about my stream, my rules, my mods, and how I run things in general. So I've decided to respond.
There is a great deal of background drama that I keep out of the community. I save the indignant journal posts for the emo teenagers. I leave the public griping to the attention mongers. I let the drama queens handle all of the grandiose displays of crying and swooning and foot stamping. I do this because I know this is one of the reasons why Little Tales is a fun place to be -- because it's a place where you don't get drama shoveled at you. I hide it because you come to my channel to have a fun time and I know that all of you have your own life stress to deal with, so you shouldn't have to eat mine three nights a week on top of that. It isn't that there aren't problems or things going on, but when I post or stream my focus is on fun and I prefer to deal with issues quietly so you don't get sideswiped with them. I’m hating every minute of writing this thing because I could be game streaming instead, or building a preshow, or drawing comics. But I also think it’s time folks saw things from my perspective for a moment.
The Little Tales Livestream started as me experimenting with a webcam to see if folks would like to watch me draw. That was about two and a half years ago and we have now grown to a community with about 200 visitors and about 70-80 regulars. When you run an Internet community you have to have rules. And unfortunately there will always be people who don't like how you run things, don't like some of the people, and don't like other random things about the stream. I am okay with this. As I often tell people who say they don’t like something someone else does, it’s cool. We don’t all like the same things and that’s one of the things that makes the world awesome and diverse. It becomes not cool when people start insisting that their differing opinion is fact and they refuse to even consider another perspective.
So... I am sorry if you do not feel comfortable in my channel. I am sorry if you do not like the rules. But I am not changing anything.
I know some folks don't feel welcome, but unfortunately I cannot stop and give special attention to every single person in channel or I would never get any work done. Some folks aren't good with crowds either and I am not offended if someone finds the chat overwhelming. But I am bothered when someone decides to cope with 'I don't fit in' by making unreasonable demands of me and mine. You don't become a part of a community by shoving your way into the middle of a crowd and demanding that it change for your sake. You get to know the people around you. You interact. You don't have to like everybody. You don't even have to like me, but you don't antagonize people if you expect to be welcomed. Nobody is obligated to be nice to someone that seems hell-bent on making things miserable for everybody. I do not randomly decide I don't like someone either. You have to earn it after months of pushing, and even then all you'll usually get from me is the cold shoulder. I am never openly hostile to someone unless they give me no other recourse, and I only ban someone when they’re outright begging for it, either by blatantly acting like an ass to me or to the people there, breaking the rules out of purpose or spite, or making a direct attempt to tear down what I have worked so hard to build up. If someone acts hostile to you in your house, you have the right to throw them off your property. Same thing applies here, If you are a constant source of trouble for me, I am under no obligation to allow you to remain in my channel.
If you don't like my rules, you have my sympathy but I have no reason to change them and every reason to keep them. We're a community with 50+ people showing up per stream, and yet we can talk religion and politics and people actually have enriching things to say instead of bawling about how they're offended. People don't show up to self promote or spam, trolls last maybe a second, and folks have learned to turn the blinders on when someone tries to start drama instead of feeding it. I understand that the linking rules bother people. But folks were spamming links like crazy and were jumping on every opportunity they could get to self promote -- many without even bothering to get to know anyone in channel. I spent over two years earning my viewers and I never tried to poach someone else's stream. Why should I let someone else who doesn't give a crap about me, or someone who is actively hostile to me, benefit from my hard work?
The roleplay ban is a sore point for me. I have had to field so much vitrol from people who have tried to get me to lift it that I am genuinely sick of hearing about it. When someone tries to push me I am the type of person who digs in their heels and refuses to budge, and I have been pushed a great deal over this.
Then there's the other rules like text color and no caps and going login only. The reason for most of these is that geeks like to copycat and try to one-up each other. You can prove that by quoting a line from Python at a crowd of geeks and watching at least half of them follow suit. So when you have a room full of 50+ people gleefully changing text color, names, and typing in all caps because someone did it first, well... you can understand why those rules are in place. When I'm trying to communicate with a client, or get an answer to a serious question while people are doing this it disrupts me. I've screwed up people's commissions in the past because that was happening and I missed important info.
Put more simply: The rules are in place to preserve my sanity. Before I started cracking down on things like this I would leave streams a nervous wreck and exhausted. It was even reaching the point where it was affecting my health in rather dangerous ways. But now even if I end a stream physically tired, I'm usually content and often giggling to myself at some of the jokes people made that night. More importantly, many of the health problems have vanished and the rest are on their way to being fixed.
I am not trying to make things unfun for people. I am not singling out anyone. I am not a big mean tyrant on a power trip who likes pushing little people around. But hey, if it makes you feel better to paint me as such, feel free. I have actually had people come to me and tell me that I ‘have’ to put up with rude behavior and I ‘have’ to act a certain way, which shows me that some folks honestly think I exist for their benefit and my own well-being be damned. If you're the type of person who would do that rather than consider that I'm one person trying to run a 200+ person community, a person with feelings and mental limits just like everyone else, then you're not the type of person I want to have in my channel to begin with.
If Little Tales isn't where you like to hang out and if the rules aren't comfortable for you, then that’s okay and I don’t fault you for it. But I’m not changing anything, particularly if the method of trying to make me change consists of insults and harassment. I don’t force anybody to watch my streams, let alone participate. But if you do, you're absolutely right, this isn't about your priorities. It's about mine, as artist and host, and that's how it is, and that's how it will remain.
There is a great deal of background drama that I keep out of the community. I save the indignant journal posts for the emo teenagers. I leave the public griping to the attention mongers. I let the drama queens handle all of the grandiose displays of crying and swooning and foot stamping. I do this because I know this is one of the reasons why Little Tales is a fun place to be -- because it's a place where you don't get drama shoveled at you. I hide it because you come to my channel to have a fun time and I know that all of you have your own life stress to deal with, so you shouldn't have to eat mine three nights a week on top of that. It isn't that there aren't problems or things going on, but when I post or stream my focus is on fun and I prefer to deal with issues quietly so you don't get sideswiped with them. I’m hating every minute of writing this thing because I could be game streaming instead, or building a preshow, or drawing comics. But I also think it’s time folks saw things from my perspective for a moment.
The Little Tales Livestream started as me experimenting with a webcam to see if folks would like to watch me draw. That was about two and a half years ago and we have now grown to a community with about 200 visitors and about 70-80 regulars. When you run an Internet community you have to have rules. And unfortunately there will always be people who don't like how you run things, don't like some of the people, and don't like other random things about the stream. I am okay with this. As I often tell people who say they don’t like something someone else does, it’s cool. We don’t all like the same things and that’s one of the things that makes the world awesome and diverse. It becomes not cool when people start insisting that their differing opinion is fact and they refuse to even consider another perspective.
So... I am sorry if you do not feel comfortable in my channel. I am sorry if you do not like the rules. But I am not changing anything.
I know some folks don't feel welcome, but unfortunately I cannot stop and give special attention to every single person in channel or I would never get any work done. Some folks aren't good with crowds either and I am not offended if someone finds the chat overwhelming. But I am bothered when someone decides to cope with 'I don't fit in' by making unreasonable demands of me and mine. You don't become a part of a community by shoving your way into the middle of a crowd and demanding that it change for your sake. You get to know the people around you. You interact. You don't have to like everybody. You don't even have to like me, but you don't antagonize people if you expect to be welcomed. Nobody is obligated to be nice to someone that seems hell-bent on making things miserable for everybody. I do not randomly decide I don't like someone either. You have to earn it after months of pushing, and even then all you'll usually get from me is the cold shoulder. I am never openly hostile to someone unless they give me no other recourse, and I only ban someone when they’re outright begging for it, either by blatantly acting like an ass to me or to the people there, breaking the rules out of purpose or spite, or making a direct attempt to tear down what I have worked so hard to build up. If someone acts hostile to you in your house, you have the right to throw them off your property. Same thing applies here, If you are a constant source of trouble for me, I am under no obligation to allow you to remain in my channel.
If you don't like my rules, you have my sympathy but I have no reason to change them and every reason to keep them. We're a community with 50+ people showing up per stream, and yet we can talk religion and politics and people actually have enriching things to say instead of bawling about how they're offended. People don't show up to self promote or spam, trolls last maybe a second, and folks have learned to turn the blinders on when someone tries to start drama instead of feeding it. I understand that the linking rules bother people. But folks were spamming links like crazy and were jumping on every opportunity they could get to self promote -- many without even bothering to get to know anyone in channel. I spent over two years earning my viewers and I never tried to poach someone else's stream. Why should I let someone else who doesn't give a crap about me, or someone who is actively hostile to me, benefit from my hard work?
The roleplay ban is a sore point for me. I have had to field so much vitrol from people who have tried to get me to lift it that I am genuinely sick of hearing about it. When someone tries to push me I am the type of person who digs in their heels and refuses to budge, and I have been pushed a great deal over this.
Then there's the other rules like text color and no caps and going login only. The reason for most of these is that geeks like to copycat and try to one-up each other. You can prove that by quoting a line from Python at a crowd of geeks and watching at least half of them follow suit. So when you have a room full of 50+ people gleefully changing text color, names, and typing in all caps because someone did it first, well... you can understand why those rules are in place. When I'm trying to communicate with a client, or get an answer to a serious question while people are doing this it disrupts me. I've screwed up people's commissions in the past because that was happening and I missed important info.
Put more simply: The rules are in place to preserve my sanity. Before I started cracking down on things like this I would leave streams a nervous wreck and exhausted. It was even reaching the point where it was affecting my health in rather dangerous ways. But now even if I end a stream physically tired, I'm usually content and often giggling to myself at some of the jokes people made that night. More importantly, many of the health problems have vanished and the rest are on their way to being fixed.
I am not trying to make things unfun for people. I am not singling out anyone. I am not a big mean tyrant on a power trip who likes pushing little people around. But hey, if it makes you feel better to paint me as such, feel free. I have actually had people come to me and tell me that I ‘have’ to put up with rude behavior and I ‘have’ to act a certain way, which shows me that some folks honestly think I exist for their benefit and my own well-being be damned. If you're the type of person who would do that rather than consider that I'm one person trying to run a 200+ person community, a person with feelings and mental limits just like everyone else, then you're not the type of person I want to have in my channel to begin with.
If Little Tales isn't where you like to hang out and if the rules aren't comfortable for you, then that’s okay and I don’t fault you for it. But I’m not changing anything, particularly if the method of trying to make me change consists of insults and harassment. I don’t force anybody to watch my streams, let alone participate. But if you do, you're absolutely right, this isn't about your priorities. It's about mine, as artist and host, and that's how it is, and that's how it will remain.
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You have a right to maintain your sanity. ^__^
You don't go to someone's house and start demanding they change the paint on the walls.
You don't do the same at someone's business.
You know, for the role-playing, I wonder why more folks don't hang out at the forum or irc channel.
Strikes me that's a more natural venue.
TM
but there's always that person whom thinks the rules shouldn't apply to them, either via some misguided self-entitlement, or they're under the delusions that freedom of speech honestly truly applies regardless of offense or stress that it may cause.
Me? i love the friendly environment that's in the streams i frequent (little tales and foxena's mostly), and i hope they do stay friendly.
You and the mods run a tight ship and I'm thankful to belong to such a wonderful community :)
Gen, I can say with every honest fiber of my beïng that you are one of the kindest and generous persons I know, and one of the funniest too!
Your stream is a party to go to every time and I try to do so as often as I can.
we love you and anyone who doesn't get that, their loss!~
so: there!
.... but at the same time I can't say I ever recall any evenning where the rules bothered me.
Generally I always had a good time :)
I consider myself a fair person, but I'm no fool either. A call a brat a brat when I see one. I wish more people would.
Unfortunately, most of the people that you need to reach here are probably unreachable in their current condition. I think that egotistical behaviour stems from difficulty in grasping the concept of 'others,' and criticism aimed at a mode of behaviour is liable to be interpreted as criticism of the reader. It sets up a perceived confrontation which, as an occasional egotistical dick I feel qualified to assure you, takes a massive emotional effort to let go of. When things are getting out of hand, sometimes a ban is the kindest response possible. It's humiliating in the short term, but it separates the sources of conflict from one another when the offending party is emotionally unable to walk away.
I will say this in channel quite often, but the one thing I can't stand is narcissism and a lack of empathy. I can forgive someone who missteps because they didn't know better or they lack social skills. But when it becomes someone who just doesn't care or who has entitlement issues, I will happily feed them my boot.
Another way of putting it is that I classify people in one of two ways. "Means well" and "Doesn't care". If you mean well and slip up, that's fine. If you're a bastard and don;t care, then go complain on somethingawful or whatnot because I will not go out of my way to welcome you.
And thank you. I'm glad that people see the good that the community has achieved by being run the way it is, instead of hating it just because they can't have it their exact way.
Is that a fair read on "fans?" Not on all of them, certainly, but certainly on a visible and vocal contingent within any given fandom. The loudest voices get attention; the quiet and moderate ones are lost in the din. Geek culture's near-universal censure of ostracization has led to a rather pervasive belief that one must not only tolerate the voice of that type of "fan," but recognize it as "valuable." It is a greater crime, in geek society, to criticize someone else, than it is to be noisome and unbearable.
In a culture in which "everyone is right" and every disagreement is believed to merely be a difference of opinion, reasonable appeal fails. When reasonable appeal fails, what can one do, except say "All right. But this is my space, and in it, my so-called 'opinions' have weight that yours do not," and follow it up with enforcement of same? Children, learning that parents make attempts to convince them, falsely imagine themselves as in control of the exchange, and try withholding acquiesce to the explanation, as if this perhaps constitutes an executive veto. At that point, you've lost any hope of a common goal; the troublemaker is trying to bully you into conforming to their expectations, and thinks that, if they refuse to entertain options they don't like, you'll be "forced" somehow to choose the option(s) they like.
All one can do, in such a stalemate, is to remind the other party that their lack of cooperation isn't the dealbreaker they imagine it to be. You own the show; they are viewers. They are welcome to stop viewing if they're dissatisfied, and welcome to start their own show that runs their way. No one's telling them that they can't roleplay, or spam, or make buckets of derivative Monty Python references to one another. Just not *here*. Office buildings don't forbid their visitors to ride bikes, but you'd best not try to ride a motorcycle up and down their halls.
You are running a business. Your channel is not a public service; it is your office. The fact that people show up and hang out there is awesome, but it's not the purpose of the place. It may not "hurt anyone" to spend nights sleeping under one's desk at work, either, but that doesn't mean it's appropriate, let alone permitted.
The roleplaying issue particularly baffles me, as it's so easily remedied. Setting up a chat room is ridiculously easy, whether on Livestream or elsewhere. Moderating it is easy. (Moderating it well isn't easy, but that's a different matter.) If folks really wanted to roleplay, they'd go to another chat room, making their own if need be, or just launch a private IM session and roleplay to their heart's content. If this was really something people wanted to do, they would, and they could! They could even leave your stream running, leave the stream chat running, and roleplay in a third chat window, all on screen at once. My dinky little 11" Macbook Air has sufficient screen real estate for that.
On the flip side, the lack of a thriving roleplaying sidebar community serving the Little Tales folks suggests to me that it's far less of a draw than its most vocal proponents imagine. And if there is, in fact, a thriving roleplay hub that meets up while Little Tales streams that I simply don't know about -- well, great! What's the problem, then? Go there. Pop out the stream window, pop out the chat windows, arrange them to your taste, and have fun.
With that all in mind, what's left to fight over? The folks who scream that the rules are "unfair" can easily make an alternative hangout and hang out in both places, even simultaneously. If lots of people want to roleplay and be silly and have pie fights and such, they'll go there and do that. If they don't, if those hangouts don't work out, what does that say about people's alleged versus actual desire to play that way?
I come to channel to watch you draw or play games. I've never felt that people's private pose-tag games added to the experience, and indeed, they sometimes made it much harder to follow the primary work-related conversation. It seems such a tiny concession, to ask people to do that elsewhere. If they don't want to roleplay enough to log into a roleplay-friendly chat room, how on earth can it be important enough to attempt to strongarm you into permitting it on Little Tales?
I come to your Livestream because I like what I find there. I can only encourage folks who don't like what they find there to move on, or build a new hangout if they wish. It's easy to imagine that "everyone" wants what we'd like best, but harder to face that, if "everyone" did, "everyone" would already be in agreement about those things. Projecting one's own wishes onto the masses and villainizing the lawmakers and law-enforcers for not building a world to one's own personal specifications is a hallmark of adolescent immaturity. So quickly they cry foul, but do they accept responsibility for building their own little personal Utopia, and do they accept that others might not agree that it's so wonderful?
I know many "artists," "writers," and other creative types who are perpetually "going to" create their masterpiece, and it's "going to be" awesome. Most of them never actually do create it, because they know, deep down, that it will not be nearly as awesome in fact as it is in their mind's eye. I can't help but see a similarity in those who would tell you that their "perfect" community would be awesome, too -- you created an actual one, and so could they, but as long as their community remains imaginary, or there are others to blame for why it doesn't exist, it never need deliver what its biggest fan promises it would deliver, if only others got with the program.
I've seen so-called "geek Utopias" before. I didn't like them at all. I'll stick with Little Tales, thanks!
The sort of crap you describe is why I stopped participating in the MLP community chats, even though I love MLP. It's basically what you've had to deal with, turned up to 11 and exponentialized.
So, even though I don't join your stream often, I'm glad you keep all that bulls**t out because that sort of stuff keeps *ME* out of chat channels. I just don't have the patience for it anymore.
Hopefully a group, or a visitor that finds themselves in the position of breaking the rules can take the time to reflect.
Perhaps the adage of "Turning the other cheek" can be put forth when the time is right; it's something I've been working to employ myself, over the past year.
I would like to chime with Flinters, though - It's always good to repost what I call the ROD's... or "Rules of Decorum."
..., because even the best of us forget
(And for the record, I don't think you have a malicious bone in your body, Muds ;)
(And for the record, I greatly appreciate the complement ** ** )