Well, you do technically say that you don't work weekends...

People fail to notice that even though its at the top of my page.

Bigger, bolder, MIND DRILLING text..

Or maybe make it 3D...

Voice activated?

Running out of ideas..

Damn.

oh yeah wow totally forgot, for a second there I gave the fandom a little bit of hope :'C

>Paying money for "adoptable" characters another artist drew
>90% percent of those characters are glorified furry bases that rolled down a staircase covered in paint
>A regular thing on FA

Yeeeaaaahhhhh.......

so true. i hate it when people get all pissy thinking "if your not working on MY art your not working hard enough..." espeially when i barely EVER get days off... *rubs your back cause your pissed* fuck em they dont know how stressful being a artist can be and how therapudic personal art is.

This! Sometimes I feel SO uninspired to work on a commission so I do sketches for myself.. Would they rather me draw a crappy and lazy picture for them ?

How nice, its like you're expected to be nothing more than some sort of machine, commission after commission being all you're supposedly meant to do >.<

We all need a break, for fucks sake, and doing something for yourself is a perfect way to keep ideas flowing and to de-stress yourself. Whomever said this has the same words you have said heading their way

Im the Art Porn Machine 5000

And furries wonder why good artists get fucking sick of this fandom and straight leave

You are no machine, even if they might think you are the Art Porn Machine 5000, you have a damned right to do something for yourself and take some time for what you want to do. Anyone complaining about this isn't worth the effort in insulting or even answering, they should fully and completely understand the fact you are entitled to do what you wish to do

A Commissioner may pay for a pic to be done, I do understand their point of view on this, but at the same time it will will be done when it is done! If it takes months they have a right to complain but after only a short time and a few personal pics? They have no ground or leg to stand on

Its so understandable why most walk away for sure >.<

I'm buying their art therefore I am buying THEM. >8[

total sarcasm there. You are very right about this.

"dear jerk,
thanks to your master's degree in annoyance your commission has been moved to the end of the queue.
Sincerely
the artist"

I approve of this method! XD

Sorry to hear it, people who commission don't always understand the value of waiting. Many feel entitled because they pay for a service, but they don't recognize that sometimes artists need to take a break.

I mean, you wouldn't scold a mechanic for working on his car during a day off would you? So why do the same to an artist?

Sense. The commissioner mentioned makes none.

I take an opposing stance to this. I think that in general, artists on FA are very self-important people, and very often forget that it is the commissioner who pays their bills. I'm not going to say that all furries are reasonable... very much the opposite in fact, but how would you feel if a cashier at a grocery store stopped ringing through your groceries, and ran a pack of gum through for herself before finishing your order?

If it really bothers you that people who have prepaid for your services are annoyed that you do personal work before what they've paid you to do, maybe the answer is only to take as many commissions as you can actually do in a week.

Are you kidding me? I have some of the fastest turn around time and I work a 40 hour work week like everyone else pumping out commissions and you're saying I don't get to enjoy my own talent on the weekend?

Get OUT

Well no... I'm just saying that while there's someone waiting for you to work, while you have their cash in your pocket, then maybe you have a responsibility to them, and if you want to work on your own projects, which you have every right to do, you should take fewer commissions to free up time.

Uhm and I do.

I don't work on weekends. Period, and anyone who commissions me is very well aware of this since its at the TOP OF MY PAGE.

Wow

Well fair enough, I suppose, but even with the disclaimer, I at least understand how it's bad optics.

It's not bad optics. It's totally reasonable. Artists are not cashiers. I've been a cashier, and while efficiency is important, it doesn't take creativity and it doesn't take inspiration and it doesn't take hours and hours and hours and hours.

This artist gives 5 days of his life to drawing these commissions. It's HIS business, he's in charge of it and how much he works. It's perfectly reasonable for him to take a day or two off. Don't you like when you can get a day off of work each week, assuming you have a job?

Plus, it's not like this is new. Many businesses close on weekends. The Postal Service doesn't deliver packages on weekends, or Sundays in some cases. And these are BUSINESSES--teams of people. Rokemi is just one solitary person. Isn't a little selfish of any consumer to demand he devote his life to your commission until it's done? I mean, again, this is his job, his business. He takes commissions to fill his work week, and he works 40 hours a week doing them. Don't you think that's quite a bit?

I've currently got an unreasonable artist situation. I paid for a commission back in November 2012. It was supposed to be in three parts. About a month and a half ago, I got the first part, and am still waiting on the other two. THAT'S unreasonable. THAT'S bad optics. This is not.

He posted the terms of his service at the top of his page. By commissioning him, you agree to them. It's a reasonable term. If you're going to be a slave driver about it enough that you don't think he even deserves a break, don't commission him, and don't commission anyone else.

Further, remember this: Even cashiers don't usually work 7 days a week.

To further NotLukos point, If RK can't get time off, have her weekend to do things she wants to do then she will start to not enjoy art. The quality of her work could drop since its more like a chore shes trying to get out of the way.

I'm a mechanical engineer 9-5, M-F. In my off hours, I'm still a mechanical engineer, but for the machines that belong to ME.

Talent: What is your profession? Do your hobby activities use the same skillset? If so, would you be angry if your employer said 'Hey, I know you're going home to basically do the same thing We pay you for, so you wanna just stay here and work for Free till you have to go to sleep?"

DAMN SON

Battle hardened Tumblr Veteran. Strap in, it gets worse.

I'm an accountant, and if I were to go home and dabble in private accounting out of my home, I'd probably be fired... It would be a conflict of interest. In theory, if I'm accounting, I should be doing it during billable hours for my employer.

Maybe this is just a concept I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. But as a pure commissioner, maybe I understand the other side of the fence a little better than an artist. Or maybe artists understand the function of being an artist better than I do.

It just... Looks really bad when you've paid for something, and the artist is working for free. Iw ould feel a little devalued, I don't think that\s unreasonable.

I apologize that you cannot enjoy your profession outside of work.

To be fair, I do get where you're coming from.

Someone pays for something, and suddenly the person they paid is off doing other things. I can see how that'd make someone feel a little unhappy.

But please don't forget that Rokemi is one person, doing this as a full time job. If it were a company, and the free stuff wasn't for like a charity or something, well sure, I'd be a bit annoyed. But this is one guy, and personally I want him to enjoy what he does and having him take a little time to work on his own project is not unreasonable, especially when it's 2 days out of a 7 day week. He's still an artist, still has inspiration and ideas for things he would like to draw. He's public about when he doesn't work on commissions. It's really fair.

I've responded to about five comments now, and I'm sorry for regurgitating, but I think the last comparison I made was the best:

''A more apt comparison, using the same employer might be working at McDonald's, where they specifically said that if you cooked 300 burgers, they'd give you 50 dollars, taking their 50 dollars, not cooking the burgers because it's quitting time, going home and cooking a burger, then taking the burger you cooked and eating it in front of the McDonald's manager.''

A commissioner says that he'll pay 50 bucks for a picture, on Friday, the picture isn't done, he instead makes a different picture, and posts it to his gallery.

It... looks.... bad. It's completely within the TOS. But it.... looks... bad.

I'm not saying he should work 24-7, Monday to Friday, I'm not saying the commissioner owns him. I'm saying maybe a little more empathy with the people paying the bills.

Where is there a lack of empathy?

I don't see how that looks bad. If you're on the clock and you're told to cook 300 burgers, that's great. If you want to go home, off the clock, and cook yourself a burger, why does that look bad?

If I'm the McDonald's manager, I have no clue what I'm doing at your house watching you eat burgers, but I don't exactly care unless while you're on the clock tomorrow, you're cooking the rest of the burgers I paid you for. What you want to eat for supper is not my concern. Heck, if when you're off the clock you want to buy a burger from the restaurant, sit in the dining room, and eat it, you can, as long as you don't leave a mess behind.

I fail to see how that looks bad. It's perfectly normal. No manager in his right mind would expect his employee to go on a total burger strike just because he hasn't finished the project I paid him for yet. He might expect his employee to go on a total burger strike because he's sick of cooking hundreds of freaking burgers, but that's a different story. Likewise, why would someone expect Rokemi to go on an art strike and stifle her own creativity just because she hasn't completed a certain project yet--when she explained to the consumer already that she would not work on it during a certain time? If I'm the consumer, I'm like "darn, she didn't finish it before the weekend," but if Monday comes around and she happens to have drawn a picture over the weekend, it's no sweat off my back, because I know she'll be back at it again today. She told me she would.

If she starts on someone else's who commissioned her after me, unless there was a good reason like an art block, or waiting on my response, or something like that, there's a different problem. THAT looks bad. I fail to see how what she does now looks bad. It's completely normal.

Also, the reason you'd be fired for doing private accounting out of your home is you're paid to do business for a company. If you do private accounting out of your home, you're essentially providing that business' service to someone and the business doesn't get paid for it. That's why you'd be fired.

I don't think you read my post properly... The manager isn't watching the employee at home, the employee brought the burger to McDonald's.

It's not that the employee cooked a burger, it's that the employee makes it known that he made the personal burger, but not the one that he was paid to make. Maybe the metaphor is confusing.

I'll also thank you very much to stop putting words in my mouth. I have never said, and will never say, that the artist is not entitled to his free time.

But you brought up an interesting point with your last comment there. It looks bad if an artist works on someone's commission outside the order the commission was received in. It would! Now let's say that there was a line in the artist's TOS that say that for an extra fee, you can jump que. It would be in the TOS, it would technically be within the rules the artist set out.... But it would look bad.

The bit about the burger isn't the point, now is it? :/

The artist doesn't post the art just to make it known that he made the personal art outside of the commission, now does he? What cause is there to hide that he is eating a burger? If I'm the manager, I don't care. For one I'm too busy trying to run a restaurant to care if an employee wants to make a burger at home and bring it in. Again, their supper's not my concern, and unless they're closed or outside food is not allowed in, they're perfectly okay to eat it there. Likewise, what cause does the artist have to hide her work?

Maybe you don't SAY that, but that's certainly the way you're acting. Because it's her free time, she has full license to draw whatever she pleases, especially considering she tells her commissioners plainly that she isn't working on their commissions on the weekend.

Yes, that would look bad. But that's NOT what Rokemi said. Rokemi said that on the weekends, she doesn't work on commissions. That is reasonable and normal. Charging a fee to jump the line is NOT reasonable and definitely not normal.

I'm starting to feel like this arguing with you is pointless, as Internet arguing tends to be.

Also, the reason you'd be fired for doing private accounting out of your home is you're paid to do business for a company. If you do private accounting out of your home, you're essentially providing that business' service to someone and the business doesn't get paid for it. That's why you'd be fired.

"I'm an accountant, and if I were to go home and dabble in private accounting out of my home, I'd probably be fired..."
That would depend if that private accounting has anything to do with the company you work for!
Im a subbie and the company i work for during the week is subcontracted to a company called BGC. Now on the weekends my boss doesnt normally run the truck for BGC they are parked up and have maintenance done to them.
So while they are down i go to another subbie and drive his truck since he wants to have his weekend like most people and i work for BGC doing the same run i would normally do during the week.
Now my boss is fully aware im doing that and he doesn't care, he can't fire me for taking his work away and working for the competition because his trucks are not operating on weekends, thats just how subcontracting game works.

Just like subbie'ing being an artist there is always going to be work so if you don't like how RK operates and you want your commission done as soon as the money gets sent to her, then don't hit her up.

Its unreasonable for some one to work around the clock just because they are prepaid for their services. When I got prepaid to drive goods to another city for multiple companies, I took breaks and i was out of the truck doing my own thing and if the customer who's good i was transporting told me "no you can't have any breaks you have to drive around the clock till you get to the other end" I would turn around and tell him to get fucked because if i drove around the clock i would get tired and theres a high risk of me having an accident.

Well first off.... Your boss is awesome. Because you are technically working for two competing companies, and even though that's your situation, you gotta realize that the average employer would at least frown on that.

I've responded to about five comments now, and I'm sorry for regurgitating, but I think the last comparison I made was the best:

''A more apt comparison, using the same employer might be working at McDonald's, where they specifically said that if you cooked 300 burgers, they'd give you 50 dollars, taking their 50 dollars, not cooking the burgers because it's quitting time, going home and cooking a burger, then taking the burger you cooked and eating it in front of the McDonald's manager.

A commissioner says that he'll pay 50 bucks for a picture, on Friday, the picture isn't done, he instead makes a different picture, and posts it to his gallery.

It... looks.... bad. It's completely within the TOS. But it.... looks... bad.''

I never said that he should work around the clock, I never said don't take breaks, I suggested, maybe clumsily, that he should maybe have more empathy for his customers.

"It... looks.... bad. It's completely within the TOS. But it.... looks... bad."

Yeah one could see it that way! but at the end of the day you still get a commission out of it :P

I work at an accounting firm.
Every single person there does work over the weekend every now and then for family / friends / extra money on the side.

Even the boss goes to his daughters firm and helps her, then I lodge all the returns done at her office at our firm on her behalf. Nobody cares.

In the end, it just depends how much of a dick the person running your company is.

I think the difference is that you might work in public practice, and I work in corporate. Almost anything I did on the side would conflict with my primary employer on a ''conflict of interest'' or ''insider information'' perspective. You're right, I probably could do personal tax returns.

But don't you agree that it would look really bad if my boss had pre-paid me to file his tax return, I ran out of time in my work day, then at home I compiled my own tax return, and then brought it in to work and showed him that I did my own taxes on my time? I just can't imagine doing that, I'd feel like I was rubbing his face in it... But that's kind of an apt parallel to what's happening.

As long as nothing personal was done during pay hours, I dont see a problem, sorry :c

This. ^^^^^

I'm going to try my best to make this not come out as harsh as I want it to be, but please know you kinda lit a fire under my ass babycakes! ;)
I am another full-time artist, and art pays my bills much like your accounting job!

I digress- I understand you're trying to play (for lack of a better term) devil's advocate from my perspective, but it's not really a good comparison with the whole "cashier ringing up idea" because it's a little more than that.

Let me explain;
Art for a living, I'll compare it to an auto-body shop.
Lets say designated hours of work for the shop are mondays-fridays! Weekdays, the guys at the shop work on your car (among others), and then weekends they are closed to services! And lets say, you flat-out fee for what you need done; not a daily/hourly wage. Well, you drop off your car on friday and it turns out your car needs extra work and will take LONGER than one day- so your car stays in the shop over the weekend to be finished on Monday. Is it fair for the autobody specialist to work on their own car over the weekend with their tools on their time for no pay, while yours waits for it's finishing job on monday? Perhaps to you, but in it's entirety not at all. If they are not working on the clock on something personal, then there is nothing wrong. That's why people in the working world have day's off! They shouldn't prioritize your car over theirs just because it's in the workshop while they are not working.

If it's a piss poor comparison, I apologize, but it's better than comparing an artist to a cashier at your local walmart. We are not people that can just shit out something, we make things in the imagination come. to. life. We are people that make fantasy a reality for the general public. If anything, artists need time to themselves to draw up a brain palette again. Countless times have I seen an artist almost become "industrialized"- pissing out halfassed artwork for people just to keep a penny in their pocket. With no time for themselves, they loose that emotional fire and passion in their work, it becomes hollow. Pretty- yes, but from an artist's perspective it's blank. It lacks the spice, dude. In order for us to keep the spice, we need to do things that the public isn't asking us to do. Artists are all alike in this context.

This! Very well said!

Oh thanks ;_; I was hoping I could get a point across without sounding like a dick.

No.... That's fair, I thought it was a bad comparison when I made it, but there are faults with almost any comparison you could make, artists are unique, and furry artists more so.

The reason I think your example is flawed is because we aren't talking about situations where something extra has happened. This is for all intents and purposes exactly according to plan. The better example would be you driving up to an auto body shop, asking for engine work, paying a quote, and then the mechanic instead changes his own oil, because its after five. Is it technically right for him to do that? Sure! But it looks really bad. And THAT's my point when I say bad optics.

I'm not saying he should work 24-7, Monday through Friday, eating gruel and calling his commissioners master. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be able to do what he wants on his own time. What I meant to say, and maybe I did a poor job of it was that I understand the frustration of the people that this situation happens to, and even though it's in the TOS, it seems a little unappreciative to the commissioner.

Maybe the answer would be not to post the work until the que is done. Or maybe my original idea of not taking more commissions in a week than can be done in that week. I don't know. It just seems that if his commissioners aren't happy with the situation, and he isn't happy with the situation, maybe the situation needs to change.

Let's pretend you work at McDonalds Mon-Fri.

What's so wrong about cooking yourself a hamburger on your day off? :/

People with normal jobs shouldn't be expected to do work on their days off, neither should an artist.

Nothing is wrong with your situation, but it's not a good comparison.

McDonald's doesn't prepay for a specific service.

A more apt comparison, using the same employer might be working at McDonald's, where they specifically said that if you cooked 300 burgers, they'd give you 50 dollars, taking their 50 dollars, not cooking the burgers because it's quitting time, going home and cooking a burger, then taking the burger you cooked and eating it in front of the McDonald's manager.

Is there anything technically wrong with this.... No.... But it really does look bad, no?

Ugggh, thank you

*bows~*

be all like




WHAT THE HECKIE????

More like what the HAHAHAHHA

I usually have no rush as to the artist getting done with my commission. When I pay for something, I pay for a product with a usually unknown turnaround, and while I know there are artists out there who actually somehow manage to 'forget' they've been paid.

Basically, I pay for commisshes with money I have to spare, and in nearly every instance, I don't need to have the picture done by x amount of days. Art takes time. And loos of inspiriation and motivation happens to everyone.

people make me sad when they fail to realize that artists are people that need a break and relaxation too ;n;

I agree, you need to have a break from commissions or the stress makes you explode!

You have all the rights for personal Art :D


I mean you are not an art roboter

I llerrvvsss you Rokemi x.x sheppy slobbers to help you feel better?!

I am going to say this.. furrys(people) tend forget a artist is a person as well who needs to make ends meet by taking time out of their day and sitting down for hours on end drawing whatever the person had commissioned them to do... My two favorite artist (one being you and the other being Mavie) both don't work the weekends and I respect this..

Artist are people at the end of the day.. who doing more then giving the talent but also their personal time they could be spending with loved ones and friends.. They need breaks to. Just some commissioners are so selfish and impatience that they think that artist to slave away for them.

Wait seriously? Your page says you don't work on weekends, so why would someone care what you do on your freetime?

Just put a journal up saying "Day off work today" - Nobody can say shit then, bazinga, punkass. <3

fuckin sweer

Yup me too

I get this so often, it hurts. I'm literally burn out emotionally and physically at times because of -these people- right here.

I know the feeling trust me. Whens like the last time I've done something for myself though like for real? The amount of commissioned art TREMENDOUSLY outweighs what I've done for myself.


Like jesus christ cant I just enjoy my fucking gift on my own goddamn weekend though? Man people trippin.

Just because you're an artist doesn't mean you can't have days off like every other normal working person.

=/ Tell me about it. It hurts a LOT to be treated like a machine in this fandom. Okay I get that I have your money and you paid me for a service, but it isn't as easy as turning on an art switch and there you go.

I am extremely strict on my 40 hour work weeks and rarely take "sick days" if ever, I'm entitled to recharge plain and simple and that goes for every other artist.

Everyone needs balance and part of that is taking time for yourself. Being able to doodle your own ideas also keeps your skills sharp and inspiration up. You stick to a strict schedule and work diligently during the week so it makes complete sense to have time to unwind on the weekends. Like...would people be barking at you if you went swimming on the weekends or seeing friends instead of drawing? I guess since I'm an artist too I don't see how having weekends is "unfair". lol Most people don't work 7 days a week and if they do they're not happy about it. :P

I cannot believe that there are still people pulling this shit on hardworking artists. As a commissioner, I'll personally apologize for all of those idiots. :<

Sometimes we forget in our artificial setting that there are real people on the other side of the screen.

I like Chocolate milk.... also I agree. >.>..... also chocolate milk is relaxing :3

heres what you do Roki, next time someone says anything about you workin on their piece instead of somethin for yourself save two special words for them...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GICPkSb5OI8

But... but... they gave you money, that means you're their art slave forever until you're done with their work D:


No I'm not being serious, fuck whoever this is that actually thinks that.

Sorry ;(((

oh my gosh it wasnt even you ,silly you dont even have a commission from me what the heck |:3

i know ;>

Interesting. Not that I'm encouraging you to be complacent, but you struck me as an artist with a relatively fast turnover rate.

THISTHISTHIS!!!!!! DX

OI ROKI WHERE'S MY PICTURE HOW DARE YOU HAVE TIME OFF

People can be so damn impatient it is sad.

Psssh clearly you should be taking free requests on the weekend instead of personal art, that way during the work week you can have the freebie people bitching about theirs not getting done during the week, and on the weekend you'll have the paying customers bitching you out for not working on theirs on the weekend.

It's a win win situation!

...wait I think I got that backwards. :3

I felt the worst dropping feeling in my chest when I read that :C



*EXTREMELY heavy sigh*

Sorry, can't help but joke because sadly situations like these happen way too often, people need to learn some patience. x3

I understand having expectations when you commission an artist...but it's just plain silly how people seem to think every artist is murry purry porn machine for their convenience. People have vastly different turnaround times and processes they use to do their art, yet somehow people think having the same exact expectation is going to work.

People need to treat artists like people too, because we're all the same in that regard - people. Give them a good internet slap if they keep being impatient assholes. :3

You do what you want Roki. I mean REALLY???
You're the kind of artist I can trust with a commission.
That's why I would definitely buy from you again.
So more power to ya'!

*give you a Cohiba Yellow Label
and a shot of Jager on the rocks* ;3

I kinda agree with this but feel bad if people see me posting personal art when I owe them commission art.
Course it's more cause I'm so damn slow at drawing, especially if the subject matter is not my favourite thing to draw.
Something I'm trying to break the habit of.

Furries need to learn this thing called patience.

If they were getting a suit made they wouldnt expect it immediately (though I know some do, because they are daft. and they ask every day how its going)

Darnit, it's coming, if its been a reasonable time people should just let you do your own thing.

I wish you luck dealing with these morons XD

WTF is all this shit.