Watcher Welcome #3 and new, massive project!
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SmilingSammi A Roman Legionary was expected to carry a pack weighting over one hundred pounds, as well as another eighty pounds of steel plate armour. You would be expected to march between thirty and ninety miles a day, and build a wall at the end of it.
Owlies Owls are completely silent fliers. Unlike most other birds of prey, which use size or speed to overwhelm pray, owls have a special kind of feather along the outside of their wings that makes them unable to produce sound while flying. Many unfortunate mice learnt that the hard way.
sournote103 The Romans had a system called the Patrona-Clientas system. One aspect of it was that rich patrons would give daily cash handouts to any of their clients that asked for one.
Takinoue All the weapons in the famous lobby shootout from "The Matrix" are hollow and made of plastic. If all of them were real, combat ready guns, Neo would have been carrying almost two hundred pounds of firearms.
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Alright, now for the massive project. I gave a brief summary of the project in the prologue post for the story, find it here: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10992843/
I'm going to be going into more detail, and explaining aspects of the story as they appear in each new part. The community portion is that, between days Seven and fourteen, I'm going to be taking fan suggestions as to what kind of things should happen to our hapless little lion. Check for updates here regularly durring the progress of the project, I'll keep updates coming here, or in the comments.




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Alright, now for the massive project. I gave a brief summary of the project in the prologue post for the story, find it here: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10992843/
I'm going to be going into more detail, and explaining aspects of the story as they appear in each new part. The community portion is that, between days Seven and fourteen, I'm going to be taking fan suggestions as to what kind of things should happen to our hapless little lion. Check for updates here regularly durring the progress of the project, I'll keep updates coming here, or in the comments.
First off - the Red coats. Rate of fire. They were able to get off several shots a minute - to the point they could fire three or more in the time it took an enemy to walk through their range. The Thin Red Line was designed to DEFEAT mass attack - the French consciously modelled themselves off the Roman army in a lot of ways.
And there were other forces which posed trouble for the Romans at the top of their game, too. (Teutoburger Wald and Carrhae come to mind)
Oh, and the Swiss pikes were emphatically NOT "much worse" than the Macedonian phalanx. They were different, because the technology was different, but the swiss pike blocks were highly manoeuvrable - and not burdened with a shield, either. (They were, in a sense, Roman in tactics and Greek in weaponry - and the Romans didn't beat the phalanx head on, they outmanoeuvred it. They'd have much more of a problem with the Swiss.)
But the true "tactical counter" to the Romans? As in, hard counter? The Hussites. A wagon laager is impossible to outflank, the short range gun fire makes a mockery of any armour, and Romans who got into the centre of the laager would do so as isolated units. A Legionary out of formation is a dead legionary.
As a note on your two examples of Rome losing: Yes, the Roman's lost at the Teutoberg Wald, but only because they were A) Betrayed, B) Taken by surprise C) Attacked by almost equally strong infantry that had set an ambush, D) Attacked from a superior position, E) Attacked by superior numbers, F) Were caught in foreign territory in which their fighting style was useless, G) Were ineptly commanded, and H) Were harried for three days of bad weather, no food, no rest, and innumerable traps set by the Germans. Could the Red-Coats survive three whole days against those odds? I doubt it. On the subject of Carrhae, almost all of those same factors apply. Except, instead of stronger infantry ambushing them, it was heavy cavalry and horse-archers, neither of which were the Legions ever built to face. Of course, a competent commander could have won that battle, instead of a fat-cat beaurocrat like Crassus. That isn't even to mention that the legions still worked by the maniple system at that point, and lacked the heavy handed discipline and highly specialized weaponry and armor that later legions enjoyed. I specifically said in my comment that I was talking about Trajan era legionaries.
You mentioned the Swiss pike blocks as being highly maneuverable. That may be true in that they're more maneuverable than a phalanx, but that's not saying much. At the end of the day, the pike is an anti-cavalry weapon, and competent infantry, of which there was almost none in late-medieval Europe, would have no trouble disassembling one, given proper process. Were I a centurion, I would suggest these tactics:
1) Order the first line of the century to hunker down behind their shields and press against the pike-wall, forcing the pikemen to slow down or abandon their formation.
2) Have the rest of the formation hurl their pila into the massed ranks of spearmen, killing many and disrupting the formation considerably.
3) Order the first line to push the pikes along the line, against the pikemen. The Swiss would have two choices: raise their 18' spears into the air, or allow them to be forced on an axis along the line, leaving the regiment helpless.
4) Have the first line pull back, and the rest charge forward and engage the pikemen in close combat, at which point their inferior armor, weaponry, lack of a shield, lax training would tell, and the box would be routed or massacred.
The Hussite wagon laager was an impressive weapon for its time, but it had one fatal flaw: it was stationary. If the Romans caught up to one, they wouldn't spend the blood assaulting it, they would surround it, build a wall of their own, bombard it out of gunshot range with siege weaponry, and wait for the occupants to starve. Roman's carried their rations with them, and any adept commander would keep resupply options open, either from a train or local foraging. Give it a week, two maybe. They'll surrender. Just look at the battle of Alesia, if the Romans have shovels, time and dirt, you've already lost. Also, I think you underestimate the effectiveness of a legionary out of formation. Yes, they're vulnerable to flanking, but so is every other infantryman ever. Being separated from one's unit simply demoted a legionary from "Almost unbeatable" to "Still really, really hard to kill."
You also forget the difference between the shields of the time of Swiss pikemen, the sergeant shield, a triangular shaped piece of plywood, and the buckler, a metal dinner plate with a strap on the back, were almost useless against pikes, whereas the Scutum was built to withstand heavy punishment. When I had to replace my own Scutum, I decided to smash it to bits with an axe. It took me an hour, and every swing left me open to a stab from a gladius. Every hack that didn't bounce off got my weapon caught in the leather. Sure, it can't stop bullets, but it can stop a hundred bayonet thrusts. The Romans might take initial casualties, maybe ten or fifteen percent, given the short range and awful accuracy of the smoothbore musket, but, once they reached the actual line of musketeers, and the British or Prussians needed to switch to swords or bayonets, the battle would end. I would be surprised if one man in a century died of bayonet wounds.