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So my brainwashed christian mom read out loud a thing about banning gays from donating sperm.
And she said they should be we don't need any of them spreading aids around.
What the actual fuck!?
For one they screen every one that donates they just do not implant a fucking sperm into some one with out checking if they have an STD.
This is why I became an Atheist as christians always go off on what they think is bad but don't for one second think about there own evil judgmental bags of shit they are!
There is no damn god if there is the christian god is a dick and so is jesus.
I am sick and tired of religions going eeeww gay is wrong.
just because some book that they cannot prove is from god.
I know for a fact that it was written 100% by man not by some god that is more evil then satan who is suppose to be the bad guy.
But that is what all evil dictators do they put the blame on some one else rather then man up to there evil deeds.
Why would any one want to worship a god that kill over 2 million people in the bible?
It makes no sense at all.
i think they can't help it as they are spoon fed this bullshit from the minute they come out of the vagina and are told of fairy tales of a sky god that they need to idolize or go to hell for all eternity.
Christians say it is a choice to be a homosexual? I say no it is not.
you can however choose to be a christian or not.
i cannot be silent any more about this as it pisses me off that christians that are suppose to be open minded and shit are closed minded and would rather live during simpletons days rather then live in the real world that is the 21st century!
Like most religions they use a fear tactic if you don't believe you will go to hell.
Well why? if god was so merciful and loving he would pardon even the one's that did bad. Instead the goody goody christian goes to heaven while the rest of there family fries for all eternity?
Sounds really boring to me if heaven is just a bunch of snobby assholes that judge and look down at any one that has even the slightest difference of opinion on religious ideas.
Religion need to go away they hold cultures down and say you can and cannot do this or that.
Our morals do not come from some book but from within ourselves.
It is why people feel bad or good depending if they either killed some one or helped some one.
Killing some one in most people makes them feel bad.
And helping some one makes them feel happy and invigorating.
Has nothing to do with any religious book.
And getting morality out of the bible is frightening as god is literally a psychopath if you actually read the bible.
I did actually read my bible it only had taken that one time to actually read it and not take some pastors word for it and i went what the hell.
Not only doe's god kill over 2 million people he also enjoys stoning of children, Lot offering his 2 daughters up to the mob out side the door, incest (Lot screwing his 2 daughters), slavery and so on.
It is all a cherry picking fest with the christians they skip the horrifying stuff and take the fluffy feel good text.
Which I know the bible said do not add or subtract from the book.
Which it already has broken that as it was translated from 2 languages The originals are in Greek and Hebrew.
And with translations there is a hell of a lot that gets left off or mistranslated.
And a lot of the time they just made up something if they did not have an English word for it.
And yes I was a christian but I am sick and tired of religions bickering, back biting and judging others and justifying it with praying to a god that will forgive them for just killing some guy.
Because that is all it takes is praying to jesus and wallah that killing is forgiven according to christians.
Way to many times christians that are suppose to be supportive and uplifting I've found to be the most evil jerks that will smile at you one minute and stab you in the back as soon as said back is turned.
it's happened to me way more then once.
So cram your homophobic bullshit up your butthole and be tolerant instead of intolerant. That is if that is even possible?
And she said they should be we don't need any of them spreading aids around.
What the actual fuck!?
For one they screen every one that donates they just do not implant a fucking sperm into some one with out checking if they have an STD.
This is why I became an Atheist as christians always go off on what they think is bad but don't for one second think about there own evil judgmental bags of shit they are!
There is no damn god if there is the christian god is a dick and so is jesus.
I am sick and tired of religions going eeeww gay is wrong.
just because some book that they cannot prove is from god.
I know for a fact that it was written 100% by man not by some god that is more evil then satan who is suppose to be the bad guy.
But that is what all evil dictators do they put the blame on some one else rather then man up to there evil deeds.
Why would any one want to worship a god that kill over 2 million people in the bible?
It makes no sense at all.
i think they can't help it as they are spoon fed this bullshit from the minute they come out of the vagina and are told of fairy tales of a sky god that they need to idolize or go to hell for all eternity.
Christians say it is a choice to be a homosexual? I say no it is not.
you can however choose to be a christian or not.
i cannot be silent any more about this as it pisses me off that christians that are suppose to be open minded and shit are closed minded and would rather live during simpletons days rather then live in the real world that is the 21st century!
Like most religions they use a fear tactic if you don't believe you will go to hell.
Well why? if god was so merciful and loving he would pardon even the one's that did bad. Instead the goody goody christian goes to heaven while the rest of there family fries for all eternity?
Sounds really boring to me if heaven is just a bunch of snobby assholes that judge and look down at any one that has even the slightest difference of opinion on religious ideas.
Religion need to go away they hold cultures down and say you can and cannot do this or that.
Our morals do not come from some book but from within ourselves.
It is why people feel bad or good depending if they either killed some one or helped some one.
Killing some one in most people makes them feel bad.
And helping some one makes them feel happy and invigorating.
Has nothing to do with any religious book.
And getting morality out of the bible is frightening as god is literally a psychopath if you actually read the bible.
I did actually read my bible it only had taken that one time to actually read it and not take some pastors word for it and i went what the hell.
Not only doe's god kill over 2 million people he also enjoys stoning of children, Lot offering his 2 daughters up to the mob out side the door, incest (Lot screwing his 2 daughters), slavery and so on.
It is all a cherry picking fest with the christians they skip the horrifying stuff and take the fluffy feel good text.
Which I know the bible said do not add or subtract from the book.
Which it already has broken that as it was translated from 2 languages The originals are in Greek and Hebrew.
And with translations there is a hell of a lot that gets left off or mistranslated.
And a lot of the time they just made up something if they did not have an English word for it.
And yes I was a christian but I am sick and tired of religions bickering, back biting and judging others and justifying it with praying to a god that will forgive them for just killing some guy.
Because that is all it takes is praying to jesus and wallah that killing is forgiven according to christians.
Way to many times christians that are suppose to be supportive and uplifting I've found to be the most evil jerks that will smile at you one minute and stab you in the back as soon as said back is turned.
it's happened to me way more then once.
So cram your homophobic bullshit up your butthole and be tolerant instead of intolerant. That is if that is even possible?
your mom is kinda dumb
Along with a lot of the other dictators that blame another culture for not believing in there god.
If any of it happened of course. Fiction. Even a lot of Christians will admit it's mythology meant to teach some form of lesson. But by your own admission, the supposedly loving god is cool with a death tole of over two million at least. A "perfect" being would be able to avoid killing. I mean, Batman is a character that avoids killing, and what he accomplishes isn't perfect, but at least he follows his own rules for the sake of good. I'd sooner worship that fictional character than most religion's deities.
I would rather burn in the so called eternal hell then put up with a god that takes a delight in slaughtering his supposed creation.
And my question is if god made us in his image why are we all not invisible because I certainly don't see god any were at all.
Would you ever be an intolerant Christian, or intolerant of people in general?
It sounds like you know the difference between right and wrong, something your mother has trouble with though not through any fault of her own. The trick is to go forward in your beliefs despite those who bar your way. There will always be a difference in opinions so long as there are two people alive on this world. The trick is those of us who know what it is like to be looked down upon or shunned for being different, would not be intolerant of another person, no matter how we may differ from their beliefs. Even if their beliefs are founded on unsound facts. So long as you know what is truth, and what is fiction, your mother has no power over the way you live your life... Unless you give her that power.
Christians cannot help it as they are fed this stuff from birth.
And I to was spoon fed this fluffy don't be gay or burn state of mind.
Christians think they are so pure but forget the fact that the bible says we are all a bunch of sinners which christians tend to forget that little tidbit of information that is in there "good book for fairy tales and pixy dust".
I believe the matrix had it right were religions are the sleep and don't do anything and be comfy in your hellfire preaching.
And actually waking up to the bullshit that you once believed is a revelation.
And besides there are so many religions out in the world that they are all right or all wrong?
I think they are all wrong until one of these gods shows themselves and is a good god and not a mass murdering god that the christian bible is.
I see the god of the bible as the villain and not a good god at all.
At the end of the day it comes down to the individual. It takes two to fight, and if each of us are tolerant of each others rights and beliefs, but more so we respect them, who is left to fight?
I was one of those wacko type that thought it was all 100% right even though i had a lot of bullshit meters going off in my head my brainwashed mind ignored them until about 3 years ago.
I don't care if you are a christian or religious I am just fine with it.
Just don't preach to me.
BEing truely good is more preaching than anything I could possibly say. that's what people forget. if you BE good, people will ask why. if you ask me why I am joyful, and I tell you it's because the Lord Loves me, I am merely telling you why, not conducting a sermon.
Please don't hold the bad acts of Christ's Followers against Christ himself. The man gave us so much, if only we reach out and practice the love he showed us, being personable with everyone, and turning away hatred. I will hug you if I catch you, (if you will so allow) besides. I saw you at Furlandia.
I'd like to tell you that you need to know Jesus as a person first, before you try to interpret the Bible. If this is really what you've become, though, you might be automatically offended merely at my suggestion, huh?
I'm sad you've been offended by parents and other people, but I truly wish you wouldn't judge the Bible's validity (or lack, thereof) based on this retaliation against injustice you are doing.
I don't know how else to tell you this dude: The Bible was written by Christ, so you need to observe the verses that show off who Christ is, and what He did, and why He lives, and get inside His head. Then, you can more readily interpret the rest of the Bible, because you'll be seeing it from the Author's perspective.
This would apply to other books as well, not merely the Bible.
Some of the new testament says it was written by Paul who was a man.
And there is no proof that an entity really wrote the bible.
No one can go back in time for proof who wrote the bible.
Yeah I used to be a christian but I woke up from the hypocrisy of the Christianity I was in.
Well he wrote the original book.
No. Just no. Learn the history of your religions good book before you start spewing pls. It hurts by brain cells.
Jesus also said, "Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from God's mouth (which was also an Old Testament reference, somewhere in the Moses saga, I believe). So, my point about needing to know YHWH's heart before you can correctly understand the Bible still stands.
Oh, and one more thing! Since this journal's primary theme is hypocrisy, it is written in the Bible, "Do not judge, or you shall also be judged. And by whatever measure you use, it shall be measured to you. Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye and fail to see the plank in your own? Hypocrite! First remove the plank in your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck in your brother's eye."
I've read a few books that break the fourth wall and claim the author is one of the characters driving the story somehow, and I never believed that.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ Check the "Highlights" section, you're gonna find some stuff there that may either amuse you or open an eye.
Also uh, PURE HISTORY proves your claims wrong. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-....._b_840301.html
The bible is a series of stories passed around, eventually recorded, VOTED UPON BY EARLY CHRISTIAN HIGHER UPS AT THE TIME, and then published as a tool.
I'd like you to clarify what you mean when you refer to the Bible as a "tool" though, because we clearly have different ideas of the function of that "tool".
And by the way, I'm more concerned about what the Bible says about itself, rather than just "Christians". Suppose you are right; that the Bible IS a series of stories passed around, recorded, voted upon, and then published after such deliberations: You still haven't addressed whether or not the resulting product occurred as Christ intended or not. There's still the claim I made earlier, that God worked through these events in the background.
Even if you deny His Godhood, you can't deny the life of the man Jesus Christ in the flesh, or His agenda that he preached while He was alive on Earth.
At the bare minimum, there is historical evidence that He lived, that He, in one way or another, caused a social ruckus, and that He died.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
The Bible is a tool even in YOUR eyes. For you, you think it's some kind of redemption. Objectively, it's a form of control. A big book with a lot of rules is meant to control a person. I buy a book on dieting, maybe it has some stories to help drive the point of why to follow it's dieting advise, like, oh no I could have heart problems, here's the diet rules they want me to follow. It's controlling me, or trying to.
You claimed a god made things happen "in the background"? Pointless claim. Prove god. You are totally free to believe in him. You're free to yak about him. But if someone like me notices, hey, you cannot pony up some evidence for this guy, then you're not convincing me or anyone else who thinks clearly that such a thing exists.
Also, if practically countless, equally believable religions tried and failed to be considered the one, the only truth, do tell how your religion is going to be successful. Each one has it's own supposed miracles, near death experience stories, etc, they're all equally valid.
If you were to read the Bible at all, (You're free not to as well, of course), I'd recommend that you read it with the intention of trying to understand who Jesus Christ is, and His purpose behind His actions and words. I claim that the Bible is written in such a way that Jesus had a purpose for each of the words, including those oh-so shaky sections in the Old Testament. Most people try to interpret them in their own view, rather than trying to learn what Jesus' view is/was/would be.
Once you have that understanding, you can put the Bible in its proper context as you read it.
I'm still in-progress of doing this myself, so no blatant examples have sprung to my mind yet, but at least you know what technique I'm trying to share with you, right?
And what about the other religions? Well to be honest, I actually intend to explore the other religions. Even though I am a Christian, I am free to believe that any and/or all of the other religions have some portions of truth in them, but, of course, being Christian means thinking that in the crucial points where the two religions disagree, Christianity is right and they are wrong.
How do you know whether or not all these religions failed, anyway? Who says when the test is over?
The Bible is meant to add a sense of control in one's life. That is true, but its true in a more martial arts sense, not a brainwash sense.
Second is more grasping, I'm an atheist specifically because I read the entire bible. Gonna be blunt here, fuck your "context" garbage. It's garbage, because "context" translates to "well uh that bit about throwing rocks at gay people, divorcing people, etc may be actual law straight from god's mouth, which Jesus clearly stated multiple times was still 100% the case but but uh uh uhm uhhhHHH when other Christians go by that stuff, they're wrooong and eeevil". No true Scotsman fallacies.
And god man, good on you for saying, hey, other religions may be right! They may completely contradict my religion, but whatever, right? Nope, that's not even a vague attempt at an argument.
Martial...ar...t.s....uh...gold star, never heard that one before to be honest. Not that it's accurate, but that was a decent curveball from the usual descriptions.
I'd not be at this blunt point with you, but you absolutely cannot demonstrate anything in your religion being true, and all you do is claim science can't either? Sorry bud, you're dead wrong. Evolution? The facts of that field of study give us vaccines, better food, to give a stupidly short list. Astronomy? We've been to entirely different worlds, and possibly have found resources that would aid our continued survival as a species. The Bible? Has caused holy wars, bigotry, and a few rare bastions of feel good houses with a few charities involved. Sadly, most religious charities are used to either fund conversion missions in third world countries, or if meant to feed/house people, discriminate against gays, transpeople, etc.
Once again, believe what you will, but please, don't put yourself on the spot and try to demonstrate anything without something to demonstrate. Don't make claims you can't back up. Don't say things even people on your side would say "shh dude no no dude we already said that's not, no dude, oh damn too late" to.
Clearly you have read the Bible, as you just stated. The context of a verse IS important, however, and in many other books as well, not just the Bible. The Old Testament says that I should be stoning gay people, but why don't I do that? Well it’s simply because
A: It’s hypocritical. It’s murdering, and one of the chief commandments is not to murder.
B: It’s bigoted, because I am not perfect and have plenty of flaws, so I have no right to throw stones in such a way.
C: Both A and B are demonstrated when, as is written in the Gospels, a group was about to stone a woman to death, when Jesus declared, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." And they all went away from her.
But doesn't that contradict the Bible? Actually, it fulfills the Bible. Jesus said, “I came not to abolish, but to fulfill the law.” That would imply that “the law” back then, was unfulfilled, and you can probably guess what happens when people mistake an unfulfilled scripture for a fulfilled one. Remember when Jesus told the Pharisees, concerning the divorce certificate custom, “Moses wrote this law because your hearts were hard… therefore, what God has joined together, let man not separate.” Doesn’t it seem likely that a few other customs may have fallen under that category?
You gotta realize, Catso, the pieces that make up the Bible were written in that ancient culture, and as that culture evolved into new ways of being and thinking, the Bible evolved to follow suit, until finally Christ’s “Project Grace” was fulfilled, and we thus have a whole, complete doctrine offered by the Holy Spirit. Paul’s letters confirm that idea. The Holy Spirit is special: it gives humanity access to an “inner counselor” that can approach Christ’s perspective in living, regardless of nationality and/or culture.
And by the way, there are also verses in the Bible that says that if I deny Jesus in front of humans, Jesus shall also deny me in front of YHWH, as well as that I should "gather" along with Him. I don't think I've said anything to try and FORCE you into becoming a Christian, have I? I'm only telling you how I personally work at understanding the Bible.
Also, I never said science was useless or that it hasn't produced any good benefits. It certainly has. But even as a science student, I was taught not to revere scientific theories as perfection! A good scientist should receive any information with a healthy dose of skepticism in order to investigate for evidence. Some older scientific theories have been wrong, and have also caused damage in the past. I recall learning in history classes of relatively primitive medicines actually agitating diseases, rather than curing them.
And again, concerning other religions: When I encounter a different religion, and I find some intriguing new information, and the Bible doesn't mind me trying it, then its fair game.
Concerning the martial arts metaphor: Perhaps my language in that section was needlessly flowery…
I simply wanted to say, that we have plenty of resources in our life, and the Bible is supposed to help us aim those resources in an excellent and helpful way.
And finally, the Bible did NOT cause holy wars, or bigotry. The corrupted thoughts, words, and actions of flawed humans did. Without the Bible, humans could still find plenty of excuses to ruin the lives of their own kind…
Also, I'm not going to resume this, you're now justifying total contradictions. You've demonstrated a level of bias that shows you yourself lack the requirement for proper evidence that would be needed for any other thing in your life, indeed, you have faith. That's not evidence. This is now totally pointless to resume on that basis, unless you actually have some evidence.
Also, even if the god of the Bible existed, I'd not respect a "do as I say not as I do" deity. Even if you state, hey, despite these commands from god telling us to kill, but based on my bias, I'm going to say the commandment not to kill is above it (you lack any grounds to do this outside of your own wishful thinking, pure language objectively demonstrates this point), god still, as most people admit, killed at LEAST two million people (ignoring animal deaths) pretty directly. Sure, maybe he thought, hey, these people are bad, so therefore they mustn't be, but how much worse could he be for breaking his first commandment over two million times? Who is god's god? That god must be PISSED.
S'yea, even if I let you get away with what rules should apply or not, the god of the bible breaks every one of them, the same ones that make you a sinner, impure, evil, an awful soul, something god isn't supposed to be, he's pure. holy, all good... is he really? I'd consider making up the rules as you go along to be a very classic type of evil indeed.
First of all, it has been quite a long time since I ever got back to this. Why is that?
Its because, I admit, you've raised a whole lot of valid and honest points that I currently lack the power to refute. I've been studying Christianity as it stands carefully, along with some techniques I've gained from college, and from friends on these matters that we talked about.
I also have a serious ideological disagreement with you concerning words. I really think words DO have immense power to build up and destroy, at a much higher league than actions do. In fact, words are the foundation, they are the source of actions. It all starts with words. I think I've suffered far more from bad words than I have from bad actions in my life.
I admire that you can raise up such fierce powerful arguments like this without losing your cool. I'm glad none of this debate has degraded into flaming, insults, and deadly warefare, psychologically speaking.
If you personally don't mind, do you suppose you could give me 2-5 days to compile my information linguistically and share it with you?
That and I think the actual mythos holds no water. I do wish you luck in your response, while I'm open minded, my mind isn't without a reasonable defense.
Blehgh... I hate to say it, but I can actually sense your pain, and I may have experienced similar situations in my contemporary life, too. Just talking about all these grievances makes me queasy. But you must understand: Those folks who harmed you aren't interpreting the Bible properly. I know I don't have any intellectual evidence but... I just feel it somehow! Deep in my heart, I just have this sense in my mind that God isn't like that, and I sense Him communicating to me that He really does care about us.
I know I'm probably just aggravating you when I say things like this, but what else CAN I say? I'm not trying to convince you of anything right now, I just want to share my feelings with you. I feel hurt knowing that you've been hurt like this, and I feel hurt that you attribute their behavior to Christianity, instead of just regular human folly, or more specifically, lack of knowledge.
Again, please understand, I'm not acting intolerant or bigoted: I just felt so much pain in my heart, and felt compelled to reach out to you somehow, and this is the way I know how to do it.
With it being very clear that the bible was written by people who didn't agree with such a society, it's only correct to state that this bigoted take away from the bible is, by the original author's intent, that is, fairly violent unpleasant people (surely no loving god) absolutely correct.
You interpreting it differently really only means one thing, and that's that you aren't that type of person. Which is good, mind you. It's just boggling to see someone cling to, and heavily defend, such a thing. There's better things to defend, in fact, you could just have your own set of ideals, leave off a fancy name, and know you're a good person because you are, not because some book validates that. 'Cause if you disagree that much with all the negativity in the Bible, I doubt you're a particularly bad person.
Also, I'll give you a little hint from your bible, Matthew 6:5-7, look it up, it should be a statement on keeping your worship and prayer private.
When I went into this debate, I was hoping that we could both speak peacefully and calmly, for the sake of understanding the other side's perspective, and growing in knowledge. I thought that this would be a sharing kind of activity, and that each side was aware of the other's basically good intentions.
Just now however, I realized that we have been rather violent to each other. Yes we have strong convictions, but that doesn't mean we are enemies. I have a colleague who is atheist like you, and him and I concluded that there are pockets of the truth that only the other can access due to the other's affiliation, and thus, if we want a pure full truth, we need to work together.
I don't recall any blatant, intentional mud-slinging I've done to you, but I'm confident that, based on your responses, I did it inadvertently, because I was so fixated on winning the argument.
Neither I, nor my alleged Lord, have any business in simply causing a ruckus, or spreading suffering and calamity into the world.
This is important, so I'll repeat it: It is not necessary for us to be hostile or angry towards each other in order for us to share our religious perspectives. Is this debate inherently more trouble than its worth? If not, we can continue, carefully. If so, we can just agree to disagree, and keep living. I don't see, personally, why we ought to make ourselves into enemies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIAXdP0ROrA
I went to Catholic schools and Baptist and Pentecostal churches, I dared not tell anyone at school what church I went to, and vice versa. I learned the meaning of the word "secularism" decades before I first heard the word, which was when I moved to Northern Ireland. My parents' families also have strong elements of Hindu and Muslim religions. So seeing the hypocrisy and contradictions, not only between each of these religions, but within them, it was no surprise that I would end up walking away from it all. I don't just classify myself as atheist, I'd go as to say I'm antitheist (that is, belief in god(s) is harmful to society).
Religion, to be honest, is now obsolete. Religion was ever only the bastard child of politics, invented by the ruling classes to subjugate the populace.
I grew up Seventh-day Adventist for my original upbringing.
And we were always off and on going to that church.
Always had in the back of my head telling me this is bullshit.
But always ignored it cuzz I was being spoon fed such a nice fluffy feel good sermon.
And ask most christians or any religious person and they most likely have never read there bible.
I know I was that way until I actually stopped listening to the sermon every week end and read what really was in the bible.
It freaked me the shit out.
It tells you how to sell some one into slavery, that incest is ok as god did nothing to stop Lot bopping his two daughters and stoning any unruly children or stoning some one caught in adultery and so on.
I also got sick of the our religion is the right one and all the rest of them are wrong.
And the 10 commandment thing is bs too as there are actually 680 commandments god doled out.
Religion makes people who are smart into mustard sized brains that have a fixation on a book.
Which in my opinion is idolatry of a book meaning they pick and choose how to "judge others" and exclude themselves from those texts and even be hypocrites about it.
Some homophobes have been caught in guy on guy sex.
It is all just a lot of laughs religion(s) are.