Hrm, I had considered it. Ah well, saving my money there.

Yeah, really not worth the price of admission.

I had seen a trailer for it when I went in to see World War Z earlier in the week, and I thought it looked interesting. Ah well. I enjoyed WWZ btw, but the highlight of that movie is clearly the first half. Then it fizzles a good tad, giving the impression that the filmmaker had used too much of the budget on the first half which is where all the effects it.

I'm not surprised. It seems like most films these days have very poor judgement when it comes to budgeting. Elysium is an interesting film, but it should have been much better than it turned out to be.

I thought it was an okay movie, but I doubt they would not have had more robot security in critical areas, like their computer core, and you can't tell me that there were no defenses on Elysium itself. I know of no major power where they wouldn't have weapons ready, not Starfleet, not the Galactic Empire, not the Ewoks. Not even the Power Rangers. No. Elysium should've been armed.

Also, the rich earned their paradise. The poor just wanted in because they were told they couldn't have it. Not for any other reason. They didn't earn the free medical care. ;P Made me think of illegal immigrants.

Also, what's the deal with Matt Damon and that security thing they put in the exec's head? It kills the data thief, but the data is already gone from the exec's brain and not only that but the thieves too. So how does that protect anything? And I guess they never heard of a flash drive or providing an escort to such a critical piece of data. Come to think of it, why did Carlyle need to leave Elysium to do that work anyway?

Sounds like you feel like you're entitled to something you didn't earn.

I work for my living. I accept that I'm not a millionaire, but I don't blame society for that or that I don't have everything I could ever want. Surely you're not saying that the world deserves what YOU have simply because they want it.

Maybe, but the thing is, everyone DOESN'T contribute. There are quite a few that live by criminal means or on welfare simply because they don't wish to contribute. Or those that feel they're entitled to far more than they are even by the standards of fairness. Now the system isn't perfect, nor was it in the movie, but in the film neither side was in the right. They both wanted the prize for nothing other than selfish reasons, rich and poor alike.

Medical care for everyone, that doesn't work out so well for Canadaland, from what I hear. I'm certainly not one to say what the Vatican should or shouldn't do with its wealth, I don't really care for organized religion in the first place. However, it isn't my place to dictate that, nor do I suspect that anyone in need of the bare essentials would selflessly give to others without making sure they got their fair share.

Do I think everyone should be treated like a human being, yes. Do I think everyone deserves to be treated fairly? Well, that's a word that's subjective.

I don't believe that anyone is entitled to anything other than the chance for a decent life. What you make of it is largely up to you. Where and how and under what circumstances you're born is a roll of the dice in any life. We may have 11 billion people's worth of food, but not all of Earth's population is even what one would consider 'a good person'.

I know one fur that lies, steals, and worse, all the time. What do they deserve?

If all were equal, I might agree, but all is not equal. Elysium does not specify whether or not either side was responsible for their present status or through what methods they got there. It's easy to think the rich cheated their way to power or that the poor deserve what they got, but this is not a black and white argument in this case. Living on Earth sucked, yes, but I didn't see Matt Damon or anyone else try to improve their own life. All I saw was them trying to take it from Elysium. And on the flipside, Elysium didn't graciously even offer healing centers or anything of that nature, they kept it to their own. However, in fairness, I think that's how most humans would act, when considering their own versus people not their own. If you only had enough food for your family, would you give some to the guy from another country who just shows up and begs for it? I might be able to spare part of a ration, but let's say another person from another country comes by ten minutes later asking for the same thing. Now both guys have a valid reason for asking, but the first guy had the virtue of being first.

It kind of sounds like your point of view while I can't disagree, seems more like from the person that talks about change but is unable or unwilling to bring about that change themselves. Though perhaps you just mean the right government isn't in place, but even if there was a NDP majority, are you sure about that?

And while I don't disagree, even in Star Trek's utopian future there are people born into hardship. That's just how life is. No one said everyone even gets a fair shot. I'm lucky in that I grew up with both parents and a happy home. Though I didn't have Will Smith to help me in my film career and get me opportunities 99% of people will never have, but at least I wasn't born with a deadly illness. Some folks have it rough, and they don't deserve it. However, I doubt that'll ever change. Things like poverty aren't under our control when they're born, that's something that depends on your parents.

As for said person, they have been, and they ignore it. They get help by people giving them handouts, but they haven't learned their lesson. I dont' think they ever will.

Who makes the determination if one is or is not allowed in society... really.. ? Should we just toss out everyone who cops an attitude and isn't hunble? What should we do with those that say something offensive even as a joke? Not everyone is humbly grateful. Some are just greedy with no please or thank you.. just give more and more and more.

For that matter, what is 'good solid housing', a one bedroom apartment? Who pays for it? What if the tenant in their apartment trashes the walls? Should we be responsible for their bad conduct?

And what is they don't pay for the damages? Garnish their wage.. what if they just quit and want to stay home and not work.. still feel them and pay for housing.. ?

There are good poor and there are the criminal poor and there is a difference. There are good people in bad spots and then there are people who believe everything should be free. House, food, everything... I guess you just have to help the greedy with the needy.

Russian tried that.. it was called communism. Free house, free food, and they put you in a job! Still the people complained. Still they wanted more and better then their neighbors. But they could not force the people to work if they didn't want to.. or make 100,000 left shoes with no right shoes.. Long lines just to get some free ketchup and the free house? a family of 4 lived in 500 square foot place.

There is no such thing as equality..

Hm, that's also something I didn't think about, they could offer health care if you work for them, seems like it'd make sense.

The only thing lacking from Elysium to make it the perfect movie is forced human gladiatorial combat.

Ehhhh.... I think the last 45 minutes of the movie fulfilled that requirement, but that's just me.