I agree.

That's very interesting and something I tend to agree with. It's one reason I'm glad that I'm gay. xD

Are you sure? There are cases where women now make the claim that some guys are only gay because they're actually misogynistic woman haters. It happened to me.

What? For real? You have to tell me about this. I'm on Gtalk right now.

I've gotten the same accusation before. :/

thanks for posting this, I agree completely.

Saw more in this about children then women lol but I dun datee women cuz I has a fox x3

I agree it is true, and btw, I modded my fursuit after a few ideas I had after seein yours

What did you do to it?

makin it more Egyptian is all I can say, have to wait to show ya, but I do need a new head if you know anyone that can make one reasonably priced

the loincloth thing tho is a lil different design, makin it more look like my fursona pic

I would say that men are treated this way because of society's prudish views on sex and masculinity, rather than blaming it on women.

I'm not saying discrimination against men doesn't exist, but it's no reason to stay away from women.

Staying away from women for reasons like that is the same as women staying away from men because they might be creepers; to me, it seems these issues are all a matter of paranoia and pre-judgment on both ends, as well as a lack of trust. I personally don't want to be grouped in with extreme feminists and gold diggers just like guys don't want to be seen as molesters and deadbeat dads. It's the whole concept of "a few bad apples spoil the bunch." It's sad, really, that society has become so judgmental. As a lady, I can say I'm not like that, but I know women who are. I'm sure guys can say the same thing. It's unfortunate, but the door swings both ways here.

Can't we all just get along? lol

There's definitely a lack of trust there, mixed in with many MANY situations that emphasized the extreme feminism in a lot of society.

I'm lucky lol I found a girl who isn't like that and hopefully never is. Honestly to some of the things in that story, I would have went into the bathroom or helped the child regardless. Not because I don't care about rules but because if I have the ability to save someones life I feel it's my moral duty to try, regardless of the repercussions.(Thats what lawyers are for XD)

The price we pay for equality.

Equality means just that: equality. It does not mean feminism.

But, it also means change. Change in society.

Change in society which also needs feminism, amongst everything else, because misogyny still exists. 1. Society deals with gender in a way that, on balance, harms women. 2. This is a problem that must be corrected. You can be an equalist and a feminist, the two are not mutually exclusive.

I wasn't saying equality is 100% bad. It's more good than bad. I'm just saying that equality can bring things like what the article is saying. Equality brings political correctness and labels among people. And those bring paranoia to any group of people. Not just genders. Everybody doesn't want to be labeled. Men don't want to be known for being molesters, rapists, and jerks while women also want to be known as manhaters and golddiggers. While whites don't want to be known as just racists while the other ethnic groups and religious sects don't want to be known for various stereotypes and generalizations.

Equality can be good as it can bring out the bad and punish them for thinking their are superior than the other, but it can also be bad when people are afraid of being labeled.

I am all for equality as much as the next person on this site. I believe everybody is equal and be judged as a person, not labeled as part of a group.

This article brought about cowardly men who were too self-absorbed to SAVE LIVES, nothing more. BULLSHIT.

Feminism, or the current 'wave' and 'movement' as a whole does NOT strive for superiority, as is the general misconception this entire thread is suffering. I agree with Quaylak in that a few bad apples does not mean the whole bunch is bad.

Oh I agree that the guys they brought up as examples are cowards and they should do it no matter if they get labeled for it.

And I highly agree with Quaylak as well. It's the problem of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch. The thing we're all too familiar with. Not just in this fandom, but in the entire country.

*nods* Agreed!

Esco I'm not one for adding fuel to a fire like this, but I have to say I have read a lot of news articles about guys being pinned for stuff they didn't do or people being too sue happy and it even almost happens to me at my work once as well. This day and age has men over thinking situations that should be instinctual because of the multiple amount of repercussions that are now but were not previously present.

Let me also remind you of the multiple rape cases that have made headlines and the woman is blamed for simply being a woman in the wrong place at the wrong time. We all face discrimination. Being a queer woman of color, I face it every day. In the workplace. On the bus. On the internet. At school. Have you ever had people tell you to your face "you just need a good dick, like mine" or "you just date girls because you're a raging feminist."

And yeah, people are too sue-happy. I agree. But the thing is, if you faced some of those situations, would you have to double-think saving a little girl's life? Or going in to the women's room (which tons of male janitors do, btw) to save a woman's life?

But what would you rather do? Lift the laws the are there to protect minors? Sometimes people need to just act. There is fear of consequence, yes. There will be no matter what. But Good Samaritan laws exist, too.

I forgot to add: I'm not saying "oh you're discriminated against? What about me?" because I never want to discredit someone who is discriminated against. If you are, you need to speak up. And it sucks, doesn't it? We can all agree on that. But men also have to realize that society, here, favors them. Institutionalized and cultural sexism is still a thing and always has been.

Female privilege? Where do I sign up?
TOO AFRAID TO HELP A DYING WOMAN? Is that somehow women's fault he was too afraid to enter the women's room? Coward. A man lets a 2 year old drown because he's *gasp* afraid of being labeled a pervert? COWARD. This article is completely ridiculous.

This is part of the reason you dislike dating women? Wth?

i know. fuck, what's worse? maybe being labelled a pervert or knowingly let someone die?

doing the right thing is more important.

Letting someone die doesn't put you on a shaming list of people for the rest of your life that have to report their address to the police every time they move, are restricted to WHERE they can move, and are not allowed within 100 yards of a school or playground, etc. etc. Letting someone die is not exactly an honorable thing. But given the choice of letting some stranger die versus the possibility of being put on a sex offender list, being labelled as a pervert, sued by the person later for some bullshit reason, etc. I'll take the first one.

Sadly, in this society, doing the right thing is punished a lot more than it is rewarded.

You'd let someone die to save your own skin? WOW. WHAT. That's cowardly, plain and simple. Absolutely disgusting.

In this day and age, yes, I would. Wouldn't think twice about it either.

Sooo you wouldn't think twice about letting someone drown, yet the two men who didn't help the girl and woman in danger hesitated and ultimately gave in to cowardice? That's low. Oh but if it was a man needing CPR in the men's room there would be no hesitation. What the fuck, seriously.

Exactly, right?! OH BOO HOO THERE'S A SMALL CHANCE I MIGHT BE LABELLED A PERVERT. GLAD I LET THAT LITTLE GIRL DIE BECAUSE I'M A FUCKING SELFISH COWARD.

Seriously, this whole thread make me so angry. What the fuuuuuck.

a whole lot of anti-female sentiment here.

women have had it shitty for most of civilization. some men see females getting to do what men have been able to as an attack on their power. True feminism is about equality, at least it was what feminism began as, not having it better than men but there are loud feminists who ruin it for the rest of them.

I do believe that men should not be ostracized for helping others out but can you really live with yourself knowing that someone is dead and you could have done something about it?

I wonder what repercussions he was concerned that he might face by entering the ladies' room. I don't know that he was making an attempt to assign blame.

You've mentioned two out of the six incidents cited in this article. What is your opinion on the other four?

Blame that on the feminazis who believe that "equality" means "revenge on the traditional majority in power". And that's not only with women, but with all minorities.

I know that there are really valid cases of discrimination against women, but not only there are well-established cases of discrimination against men but also feminist movements are actually seeking to shift the balance to make women the dominant gender, instead of seeking for true equality.

http://vimeo.com/64941331

Couldn't help myself. This video and following articles sum up my feelings pretty succinctly without delving into how ridiculous you statement is.

It is? Can you state for sure that 100% of "women's rights" movements are not pursuing reverse sexism? If not, maybe you should talk only about yourself, not your whole genre.

That's like saying that the NAACP is striving ONLY for black equality while simultaneously rejecting applicants for scholarships and funding because they are white. That's a laugh.

The red pill? I don't... even know how that would apply to this phenomenon at all.

Everyone is discriminated against. It's not the fault of men, women, or minorities. It's a natural human behavior that is complete bullshit but its there. And it isn't going anywhere. To not date women based on this type of article is a bit saddening but it's your personal choice.

Plus most women are batshit crazy which doesn't help... XD

It's not just this type of article that makes me not want to date women, it's just one among MANY reasons... like the fact that women are batshit crazy...

I agree but there are some normal, emotionally stable women out there. Just like there are batshit crazy men out there. It's all a matter of the luck of the draw. :/

not all women are idiots like that... some of us ARE perfectly normal ya know.

This. ^

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It's sad to see men behaving like cowards and shying away from helping people because of the fear of being labeled a pervert. Are you men or are you women with a third leg? In a perfect world, there would be no discrimination, but this ain't a perfect world. The women's rights movements from the early 20th century were set in motion to get women off the doormat and into an equal standing with their male counterparts. Has that goal gone awry? Hell yes it has. Do I condone the reverse sexism? Hell no I don't. But it's there, and like someone said earlier, it's a human reaction to something you don't like. To completely toss away all of us women just because you dislike one or two radicals makes about as much sense as throwing away all the candy because you got one or two peanut butter taffies (those are totally gross btw). I'm actually more saddened to hear that gay folks are happy to date men because of their fear of the radical feminazis. To me, that translates as cowardice. Dating has always been finding a friend and then seeing yourself wanting to take that friendship farther. If you can commune with women as friends, what's stopping you from taking the relationship farther? It really doesn't make much sense.

On the other side of the coin, women can be absolutely INSANE. Some of us don't know what we really want out of life or relationships. Some of us have zero hope of recovery, yet there are those of us (myself included) who are at least trying their best to find out what it is they want from life. It's not easy, and sometimes it's downright depressing, but when men shirk away from their duties to be protectors and companions for women, that leaves a lot of us lonely and wondering if that Mr. Right is still out there. Quite frankly, I feel fortunate to have found my best friend and future spouse in Tuk, but the number of men willing to date women is drastically falling because of paranoia pieces just like this crap article. I personally believe that it's this fact alone that's driving women insane. They're having to protect themselves; a role women were NEVER meant to carry and yet they have to now because men won't do it. Today's woman is having to be the bread-winner in parent homes because 1) they wouldn't keep their legs closed and 2) men refuse to stick around. Yes, I believe women are largely unfulfilled in life, but that's because their needs are not being met. I don't know about any of my other women comrades out there, but my needs are 1) someone to hold me and tell me it's ok, 2) that someone to be a MAN with strong, comforting arms, 3) intellectual conversation that focuses not just on my likes, but on his as well, 4) someone willing to put up with me and all of my faults for heaven only knows how long, and 5) someone taking all those faults and loving me anyway. If you can't at least provide 4 and 5, then sorry, you're part of the problem and not the solution.

I find it funny when women proclaim equal rights this, equal rights that.... oh.... you mean I have to get a JOB now? I have to WORK? I can't just sit at home and cook dinner and clean the house and raise the children anymore?

Yes women, you fought for equal rights, now you get to go out into the real work and get a JOB just like the rest of us men. Don't complain about being the one 'bringing home the bacon' now. This was your choice.

I have a job, thanks. I don't mind working. Thanks.

ITT: outdated social conservatism.

As deragorka said up there, women don't know what they want. Men responded by throwing their hands up in the air an refusing to play mind games. Men are growing beyond the "gotta get married and start muh family" mentality that started so many shit marriages.

So men aren't in a hurry to get married and have kids? That is not a sign of cowardice or immaturity. It is financially sound to be this way!
The days where one man could support a family on one blue collar job are long gone. It's not worth it to support a relationship when a man could just stay free to do whatever he wants. With the divorce rate as high as it is, only a fool would bet half his possessions that someone will love him forever. And kids? Definitely shouldn't be in a hurry to have kids. It's better to wait until you're older, or just not have kids ever. Wait until you're financially solid, which in this economy, could take a while anyway.

These are, of course, generalizations. Some people are worth a committed relationship. Just don't bother with marriage until you're much older and you actually know what you want.

^ THIS ^ THIS ^ THIS ^ THIS ^

I agree with this. Also, if a male wants to stay at home and raise his kids while his wife works, he is not a lesser man. If a boy wants to play with barbies he should not be mocked.

I do not get how men not being able to sit near children make them not interested in women. Its a good case of letting government run their lives all the while others dealing with unintentional complications. Its the family's seats for that flight they could move the child away and warn the child not to talk with strangers. Problem solved? Besides, wouldn't single guys want a single ladies? Wotjout a child right away interrupting romance?

It's not usually helpful or productive to make judgments or sweeping decisions based on broad generalizations. (ie. ALL women are crazy; or ALL men are mysoginistic.) People are for the most part individuals. I get along with certain personalities and clash with others. In order to have a happy life I choose to spend most of my time with those people I get along with better. That doesn't mean I don't like the other folks, I just know we'd be sitting around staring at the ceiling twiddling our thumbs if we try to interact.

Part of being happy is knowing yourself. I'm not the type of personality who works well in an intimate long-term relationship. I just can't give the other person the emotional support they'd require...it's just not in my personality. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy friends with benefits. ;) And the gender doesn't matter, as long as we're both having fun.

My advice: treat everyone with respect and at least get to know them before making snap judgments.

Sadly, I completely agree with this article. Everywhere people jump to the conclusion that if a man does something that is not clear to them (like they sometimes do with the furry fandom) then it must be for a sexual reason in SOMEWAY. Even on TV, quite a few men (not exclusively men, but mostly) cheat on their lovers/partners. Not that men are perfect, but it still can be frustrating at times. Wish that everyone could just ignore stereotypes.

All I can say regarding this article is that it is sad. I would never, ever label myself a feminist... honestly I'm more of an old-fashioned house wife, eagerly awaiting her man's needs and taking care of him whenever an opportunity arises. I know that's a bit too far on the opposite side of the spectrum but women like me do exist still. It's upsetting that men are withdrawing into solitude or choosing to be with other men in order to avoid this kind of unfair treatment.

Ehh.... Not gonna touch this one. Nope.

*hands up, backs away*

I am a woman.

Sometimes I feel like I am a Man.

I have a stable job. I love working 6 days of the week for over 7 hours each day.

I am in the Furry Fandom. I make fursuits and other crafts. For men. For women. And now for children.

I am an activist for Animal Rights and donate monthly to humane societies.
I am an activist for Children's rights whom have been placed under State's care. I donate monthly to a Foster Care organization whom raised me since I was 8 years old.

I date men. I date women. I have happily settled down with a manly woman.

Does any of this sound like I am some insane woman who thinks lowly of another Gender?
If so. Please point it out to me :)

I've know men whom are crazier than most women and vice versa. Never once will I judge one Soul because of another.

Journals like this are risky. Need I remind everyone of Sparky-Can-Do's Journal post over a month ago on Abortion views? It can start a really nasty fight. Hurt feelings. And judgemental, angry, un-needed, unbridled words being tossed about every-which-way.

I think it is rediculous to group every person

-- into one single catigory because of someone else's point of view or situation.

Sheer stupidity of the heart, mind and soul to go about life putting everyone in a place YOU think they belong.

You wouldn't like it if someone labled you, as you said. So please, think twice before labeling others.

Hate-mongering huh? I'm pretty sure I posted the article with a little snippet about my relation to it and why I believe it's relevant and asked for people's opinion. But fair enough, I can play this game. Let's play:

First, if you must start a debate by throwing insults and name-calling, you should definitely re-think your position a bit harder because you probably don't have much of a case. When a man is brought to court for rape because some woman was mad at him for something and he goes to jail without any proof other than the word of the woman who claims was raped, this is a form of that discrimination. Because 'Men' have the ability to overpower a woman easily, they are assumed 'GUILTY' far too many times when no crime occurred. Do you deem this worthy of not noticing? Do you just 'not care' if someone were to do this to you? Will you still do what you want to do? In a perfect world, you're right, no one can tell you what to do. Unfortunately, this is a VERY IMPERFECT world. They WILL tell you what to do or what not to do and you will go to jail without so much as blink from some woman judge with a history involving rape. This is only ONE FORM of the discrimination that I speak about.

To try and put words in my mouth that were NEVER uttered or typed on this journal doesn't make your point stronger or make you sound smart. It only makes you sounds pathetic.

If you don't like people's opinions, then do something constructive about it! Don't cry and whine because you don't agree with them. Don't post useless comments regarding why you feel a journal should not be posted. Just don't click it! It's really easy, actually. Don't start drama where so many come to for intelligent discussion and debate.

You've just earned a +Block for this journal reply.

(And yes, if you didn't quite get it by now, this entire reply is styled exactly in the same way as yours so that I can laugh while I mock you.)

As a non-crazy women, I don't understand many of the things that go on in the world these days. I love my mate, I would never dream of hurting him the way some women do. I don't understand how someone could go from loving someone to hating them so much that you steal or break their beloved toys/cars/etc. just to piss them off.

I work in a jail, and I see a lot of injustice, and sometimes lack of justice. I will never be able to erase all the things I have seen in the Corrections field in the last 8 1/2 years. It's just not possible. I still hope that one day, all of this kind of stuff would get better, however, I think it's more of a pipe dream.

Yes, bad things happen all the time. It doesn't mean that we have to stop being good decent people.

...lots of tension...

Oshit. I knew people would blow up.

While some of that article is silly, parts of it hold truth.

Why do you think I hang with guys more than girls? I cant stand most girls.
Im all for equality. Hi Im a chick. And of course Im going to strive to get people to back up and not try to judge me ahead of time because I happen to be a girl.

But I wouldnt let a sour bunch (on the internet it seems like a MASS bunch) decide who you would and would not date. Of course, that is why I stick by the beautiful rule of being friends awhile first before jumping into a relationship. Otherwise you are BOUND to be surprised.

There is just a bunch of unfair misconceptions on both ends. x-x"