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Some Certain THOUGHTS on a Certain RAFFLE
12 years ago
Now of course we know which raffle this is about, giving away a 1111$ Cash Prize. Me personally I am not entering, nor am I linking the journal in question for people to misconstrue that as entering via direct advertisement. I merely just want to give some of my thoughts regarding what some folks are thinking about it.
1. Isn't it against the site COC?
First of all it has already been stated that it is not by Dragoneer himself in a tweet he posted https://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statu.....17615179702272
2. But the COC Says!
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....nduct-COC.html
DO NOT Discuss or Engage in Unlawful Activity - This includes illegal activity such as piracy, streaming copyright content, vandalism, threats of violence, gambling and games of chance (incl. raffles involving the exchange of real money)
First and foremost Gambling implies some sort of risk/investment. No one is risking anything in this raffle as it does not require money to enter. It's fine that there is a monetary reward because no one has to pay to enter into it.
Frankly I think the CoC needs to be edited so that such specifics are made clear because people read "(incl. raffles involving the exchange of real money)" as going BOTH ways. Just say that it's ok to give away money but you can't require money to enter.
3. Why doesn't he just give that money to charity like the RedCross instead?
Although that's a nice thought large charity organizations such as that such a pitiful amount would help no one as it would get gobbled up in overhead in the snap of a finger.
4. I can't take the spam!
We deal with spam on a daily basis from tweets to email and god knows what else people are logged into nowadays. Just be thankful you have a nuke button for now so try to resist the urge to spam peoples inbox's complaining about the spam in your inbox. Vicious cycle is vicious.
5. Isn't this just paying for popularity?
Considering the requirements for entering are to +watch and Journal Pimp... YES.
6. But this is someone being hugely generous how dare you oppose them.
I'm not opposing them, I'm perfectly fine with them doing it. However I do not see it as generous, I see it as a business transaction and form of marketing. They are exchanging a sizeable amount of funds in exchange for watchers/notoriety. It's much the same as any business or organization that spends money on marketing in order to get their brand more recognition and or business.
If their intent was purely generosity then +watch and Journal Pimping wouldn't be a requirement, they'd just be an optional bonus. Again this is merely an Exchange and that's all I think it should be acknowledged as.
7. I can't believe all these people being suckered into giving this guy attention.
Why not? Everyone who enters is not risking anything whatsoever and they're not obligated to KEEP watching the person even after the contest has ended. There are lots of people on FA that could legitimately use 1111$ and although I don't personally approve of the idea of telling people they need to INVITE competition in against themselves by "Journal-Pimping" that is something they accept by going along with it just to have that chance to win.
8. NO WAY is this raffle legit!
He's held previous raffles including a 1000$ auction spot in a Jailbird Comic as well as a few months of purchased commissions. Just because the prize is large doesn't mean it's not there. Again you're not risking anything by entering so keep that in mind.
9. You know that the person who wins is likely just going to spend the money on art
Probably. The raffle itself even says that you can put the money towards art commissions instead of outright cash. That's another reason why I don't see the raffle as being "Generous" because it even encourages that the money just go towards luxury spending as an option.
MORAL OF THE STORY
Don't be a Black Knight...
Don't be a White Knight...
Be a Gray Knight... Just stop giving so much shits about everything and relax in the cozy middle of understanding.
TL;DR
I'm not entering
I have nothing against other people entering because some need the money.
There's no reason to applaud this guy because he's not really giving anything away for free ( massive marketing via journal pimps and + watch )
There's no large enough reason to attack this person either because they're just marketing like artists do on this site but with money instead of art.
Spam is spam. I'm not going to flip my shit because there's a larger amount of it than usual.
~Drayk
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1. Isn't it against the site COC?
First of all it has already been stated that it is not by Dragoneer himself in a tweet he posted https://twitter.com/Dragoneer/statu.....17615179702272
2. But the COC Says!
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....nduct-COC.html
DO NOT Discuss or Engage in Unlawful Activity - This includes illegal activity such as piracy, streaming copyright content, vandalism, threats of violence, gambling and games of chance (incl. raffles involving the exchange of real money)
First and foremost Gambling implies some sort of risk/investment. No one is risking anything in this raffle as it does not require money to enter. It's fine that there is a monetary reward because no one has to pay to enter into it.
Frankly I think the CoC needs to be edited so that such specifics are made clear because people read "(incl. raffles involving the exchange of real money)" as going BOTH ways. Just say that it's ok to give away money but you can't require money to enter.
3. Why doesn't he just give that money to charity like the RedCross instead?
Although that's a nice thought large charity organizations such as that such a pitiful amount would help no one as it would get gobbled up in overhead in the snap of a finger.
4. I can't take the spam!
We deal with spam on a daily basis from tweets to email and god knows what else people are logged into nowadays. Just be thankful you have a nuke button for now so try to resist the urge to spam peoples inbox's complaining about the spam in your inbox. Vicious cycle is vicious.
5. Isn't this just paying for popularity?
Considering the requirements for entering are to +watch and Journal Pimp... YES.
6. But this is someone being hugely generous how dare you oppose them.
I'm not opposing them, I'm perfectly fine with them doing it. However I do not see it as generous, I see it as a business transaction and form of marketing. They are exchanging a sizeable amount of funds in exchange for watchers/notoriety. It's much the same as any business or organization that spends money on marketing in order to get their brand more recognition and or business.
If their intent was purely generosity then +watch and Journal Pimping wouldn't be a requirement, they'd just be an optional bonus. Again this is merely an Exchange and that's all I think it should be acknowledged as.
7. I can't believe all these people being suckered into giving this guy attention.
Why not? Everyone who enters is not risking anything whatsoever and they're not obligated to KEEP watching the person even after the contest has ended. There are lots of people on FA that could legitimately use 1111$ and although I don't personally approve of the idea of telling people they need to INVITE competition in against themselves by "Journal-Pimping" that is something they accept by going along with it just to have that chance to win.
8. NO WAY is this raffle legit!
He's held previous raffles including a 1000$ auction spot in a Jailbird Comic as well as a few months of purchased commissions. Just because the prize is large doesn't mean it's not there. Again you're not risking anything by entering so keep that in mind.
9. You know that the person who wins is likely just going to spend the money on art
Probably. The raffle itself even says that you can put the money towards art commissions instead of outright cash. That's another reason why I don't see the raffle as being "Generous" because it even encourages that the money just go towards luxury spending as an option.
MORAL OF THE STORY
Don't be a Black Knight...
Don't be a White Knight...
Be a Gray Knight... Just stop giving so much shits about everything and relax in the cozy middle of understanding.
TL;DR
I'm not entering
I have nothing against other people entering because some need the money.
There's no reason to applaud this guy because he's not really giving anything away for free ( massive marketing via journal pimps and + watch )
There's no large enough reason to attack this person either because they're just marketing like artists do on this site but with money instead of art.
Spam is spam. I'm not going to flip my shit because there's a larger amount of it than usual.
~Drayk
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Happy?
Yea, I can see that
Happy?
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Not that big of a deal really. Even the use of the nuke button applies.
But yeah they do~
Don't worry, i have not entered.
Not that i have entered any raffles for a while, too lazy to make new journals every five minutes, i don't want to spam my few watchers with crap :c
I feel the same way. I want to get free stuff as much as anyone else but I'd feel "Conflicted" in spamming over 7500 people saying "hey I'm after free shit!"
I like more informative and/or entertaining journals more.
But in this particular case, I had a few things to talk about in a journal since I hadn't posted one in a while, so I thought I might as well kill two birds with one stone (more like 6 birds but who's counting?) and enter the raffle. Watch buying? Perhaps, but there is no obligation for me to keep watching the person after the raffle has concluded, and I, like everyone else (except, it seems, the person holding the raffle), could use an extra thousand dollars. At least I don't have to give away anything that I consider particularly valuable, whereas the potential prize is...tempting for a student such as myself.
but I really have to wonder what they're motive is :o
He ended the raffle which got about a little more then half the attention as this 1,111 Raffle, and he just gives the money to a friend
But, it's no different than any other marketing scheme on the planet. I just think there's cheaper ways to buy watchers, really.
Then again, I've seen what people pay in some YCH auctions, so hell if I know how much money people truly have to spend.
Surprisingly I havent seen much spam, and I'm watching a ton of people. Maybe I'm not watching enough
I barely get them these days.. But I'm barely surviving on my own here, I prolly need more YCH auctions just to STAY ALIVE AND FEED MYSELF..
But $1,111 is basically just BUYING watchers. Its a high price for so-called popularity..then again, how many people do crazy things for attention? (I'm sure you've seen PS4's being destroyed in front of waiting lines, yes? lol )
And as I've said I don't necessarily agree with "Buying watchers" if that's what one of the main goals of the raffle is, I'm not assuming. But it is a valid means of doing so. People wouldn't do it if it didn't work.
But, ya this raffle seems far fetched.
But again though this isn't really "Charity" by virtue of the requirements to watch and pimp him.
As for spam, is not THAT bad unless you watch everyone and their uncle :I
He's buying watchers?? boohoo... And when he stops offering money for watchers, people will make a point of -watching him. An ad campaign is only as good as the product it's selling
For the record though I am not suggesting he's a bad person, more that the people who are only doing it for the money he's offering for them to do it will have no incentive to continue watching him afterwards
If he's feeling charitable with his money and wants to make furries happy, he'd give it to a fur who really needs the money instead of commission-holics like you and I. Of course, he's not going to get 1000+ watches that way so it's not surprising he holds this self-aggrandizing spectacle instead.
Even if this is against the TOS, I don't expect FA to do much about it anyway.
Just my $0.02.
But again though this isn't really "Charity" by virtue of the requirements to watch and pimp him.
He said he likes to make furries really happy. It isn't charity but it sounds awfully like it. I imagine the winner will be someone who really doesn't deserve the $1,111.
But if he's content boosting his vapid Internet numbers by throwing money away he might regret in the future, more power to him.
I fail to see why it matters how he chooses to get watchers. If people find later on down the line he has nothing more to offer, and they don't want to continue to watch, they will leave. Though I really REALLY fail to see why it matters how people get watchers.
Artist use free art raffles to gain watchers, but because it's art and not money that's suddenly okay. Regardless if the art actually is worth that same amount because of the status of the artist.
Crafters use free fursuit raffles to boost their numbers.
I've seen people who don't do art or craft anything give away money, video games, soaps. Hell there was a watcher I've joined his raffle a couple different times. Twice for soaps, once for a money giveaway raffle (that wasn't nearly this much but money is money and the amount is irrelevant as what's huge to some might be menial to others), and once for a 3DS and a game. No one seemed to have a problem with this person, even though he did the same exact thing this guy did.
It's only because of the amount that people have a problem with it. But honestly, if someone gained watchers by going around teabagging folks, isn't that just the perrogative of the person doing it and the people watching them? If people want to watch someone giving away money...I fail to see why it's such a big deal.
And people gain watchers by throwing money around all the time. Buying commissions is using money. Some people don't draw a lick of art, but commission a lot of big name artists and get watchers that way. They've done nothing to "earn" that watch count but BUY it.
Don't really see the difference honestly.
Sure folks will think you're a nice guy. But, they may only be around you because they're waiting for you to be a "Nice" guy again.
And the ones complaining about it probably wouldn't want that type of watcher base anyhow.
No one loses anything by joining. No one loses anything by not joining.
It's his choice to gain watchers by this means, and anyone that doesn't want to continue watching after is free to unwatch. People act like now that he's watched, that's it. Can't back out.
It's also his choice to do what his money what he wishes. If he wants to give it away to the first person that farts on his pizza at lunch, then he should be free to do it. Yes, it'd be nice for him to give it to charity, that'd be wonderful. But it's his money. I feel like the people bitching "he should give it to charity" should probably start practicing what they preach if they feel THAT strongly that the charity isn't getting the money. And as you said, that little amount would be eaten up in a heartbeat and would do exactly NOTHING.
You can filter journals, https://chrome.google.com/webstore/.....ocemkogl?hl=en
and https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/fi.....finity-filter/
Hell you can even filter PEOPLE. People just don't LOOK for these and just whine about journal spam that does nothing to them but causes a slight inconvenience for five seconds.
Love love love this journal.
And I won't join a raffle just for the raffle and then unwatch or having to see the art I don't care for ^^
If they DID do as you said though yeah he'd be fucked because no one would believe "Oh hey gotta clear it with paypal this might be a while since it's such a large amount."
Next thing is his Jailbird auction was won by a new account that posted on the journal 2 hours before the end.
What's stopping him from making a new account or "pretending" to give the money to someone else? c;
Absolutely nothing, that's exactly the kinda risk you take when you deal with people on the internet in these sorts of things. There's no guarantee. But as long as the guy isn't requiring people to submit anything of value to enter there isn't really any risk of large damage.
This is why under-the-table money wires are so much better. :D
I mean marbles, not balls...
I mean balls, not marbles...
i mean yeah, the dudes giving away $1111 but theres always the catch, and thats making him more popular
im sure saying this makes me a jealous asshole but meh
its why i prefer getting watchers the way i do, by my art. makes me feel like im doin something right XD
I don't just watch people for hopes of winning some prize when they're not artists in some form or shape.
But that's not really what this is about, and everything else is well said, so yeah. You get like a 98. ;p
*adds another just because.*
This is why you shouldn't donate to the red cross period -.-
On the flipside, I'd say no to Red Cross, but I'm alive because of it. Somehow, though, I still had to pay through the nose, so, go figure.
Though I'm sure that this is in some way targeting me I will just say this:
I do acknowledge that the first few posts did 'attack' the person mentioned. I apologized for that however, as I didn't mean it to come off so intense. My original plan was just to spread the word that if people have the ability to give out so much money for something as silly as FA fame then they could go to
I didn't even know the name of the group till the co-founder commented on my journal. haha
I was a bit immature in my starting argument but I think the point slowly came across.
As for this guy and his rights, he is indeed well within his rights to do whatever he pleases as long as it doesn't go against the ToS. Morally though I still say its wrong of him to do something like this. I have ignored these types of things for a long time but this second one just... got to me I suppose. Taking pride in FA... is that really a thing now? >.<
At no point did I do this out of jealousy, I have a wonderful, comfortable life and I do try to help out people that I know need it. I just wanted to shine some light on this guys actions and try to guide people to the group that supports furs in need.
^.=.^ I do agree with you fully, just figured since I was the one who started the whole thing I would at least try to justify the action.
P.S. Don't comment while loosened with drink >.< Gah
And actually it is not targeting you, it was more in regards that I noticed a NUMBER of people displaying some not so positive attitudes towards this matter. Some folks posting Journals both OPPOSING and in a way negatively satiring what he was doing. As well some folks were just constantly repeating untrue information about the legality of the raffle as well. So no worries you don't need to feel targete.
I however did notice your comment on the journal and even referenced something you said to some others who were asking questions about where hte money was possibly coming from. I can't blame you though for voicing yourself on there because seeing what the guy was ONE thing, but how it came across to MANY was in fact another. I saw it as you just trying to offer suggestions as to more positive and effective means of giving back to the community.
And all too true, one shouldn't comment while drunk xD I made a journal once and it was all hilarious babble.
I'm actually glad this person did link me here, I quite enjoy seeing someone who shared my views on things and supporting them. <3
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4527549/
This is why I respect you, Drayk.
I think that the raffle is kind of genius, if one wants to spend money to get attention. Plays on drama, plays on greed, plays on need, and requires almost no effort to participate in. It's brilliant!
Personally I think it's a bit creepy that people willingly watch others for their creepy creepy art and for no other reason! Weird, creepy art that I clearly don't do! *cough*
Can you provide your source btw. I don't see why it would be illegal
All kinds of people are going batshit over it
So i posted a journal to kinda touch on some questions
Well to each his own I guess
http://i.imgur.com/XlFdHj9.jpg