How to get new watchers in spite of FA's new STWjournal ban.
12 years ago
So this is gonna take a little bit longer, and a little bit more effort than those "Spam to Win" journals that FA just banned, but this method will probably get you much better quality watchers/favs anyway. Here is my advice for how (new or old) people can get some extra exposure.
The following steps assume you have some specific interests. Personally, I like clean feral Pokemon art, so I'll be using that to demonstrate my points. Just do this, but with whatever your interests are.
1. Have a minimum of 6-10 good images specific to your interests in your gallery. By good, I mean something that's good for your skill level. Don't just post 6 pieces of junk that took you 4 minutes each. First and foremost you have to give people a reason to want to follow your art, and that's hard to do when you don't have accurate examples of your art already. Also, get an interesting avatar, preferably your own art, but just anything other than the default one. Unless you're brand new, chances are you already have this step done.
2. Use FA's image search to look up your specific interest, and use the Advanced Options to filter for art type/time frame/rating. The term "Pokemon" is very generic, so I'm gonna expand my reach by getting a bit more specific with searches like "Pokemon Arcanine" and other Pokes.
3. Click on every image that is AT OR BELOW your skill level. I think it helps to open them all in new tabs.
4. Now look at the artists. You need to make yourself known to each artist, and the best way is to comment. Comment on their images, their page, say something -genuinely- nice about their art, maybe even a critique if they're ok with that. DON'T outright say "Hey, can you look at my gallery?" because that just comes out sounding desperate and they will probably ignore you. You want the person to visit your page of their own accord because they're interested.
Things that increase your odds of the person coming to check out your page:
- Having an interesting avatar. People are visual, and it's the fastest way to get their attention. Seriously, your avatar is the #1 fastest way to get me to check out your page, no matter where I find your comment.
- If the person doesn't get many comments on their art.
- You commenting on a lot of their stuff. Your name/avatar keeps popping up and becomes familiar/interesting.
- You commenting on a lot of their stuff over time. Some people with less time and more comments will need to see your name lots of times before they recognize you and visit your page.
- If you can find a way to -nicely- get the person to your gallery, maybe ask for feedback on a specific image if the person is willing.
5. If all else fails ask for art trades or do fanart for people! It's tempting to do fanart for popular people, but remember that they usually get a lot already, so your efforts would be better appreciated by someone who doesn't usually get much, if any. Same with trades, popular people already get a lot of trade requests so you should target those that don't get many.
Repeat this for 5, 10, 20, howmanyeveryouwant... people a day for a week or two.
Other, less targeted ideas for getting exposure:
- Let your commissioners/traders/requesters post a smaller version to their galleries. Free exposure to their watchers.
- Do some collabs.
- Join groups related to your interests. Can only find dead groups? Volunteer to take over and revive one! Group doesn't exist? Start one!
- Host a contest so people would give you exposure by posting their entries in their galleries. You can then have people vote on the entries (entrants would then encourage their friends to visit your page to send you their vote).
- Host an art exchange. Unlike a contest, an exchange actually encourages recruitment because of the nature of the event. You don't have to outright ask people to promote it, since you can't anyway.
- Join the forums and offer some limited request slots, link back to your gallery as examples. DON'T require watches/favs/promotions. I'd do a link-gathering, where people just need to leave a link to their refs and you can pick the most interesting ones to draw. It's also a good way to practice something new in the meantime.
- Offer comments/critiques. Make a journal and ask people to give links to art that they want comments on.
Now, that's just for WATCHERS. If you want COMMISSIONERS, you'll have to modify the approach. The reason for this modification is simple. What's better to have: 100 watchers that never commission, or 10 people that commission a lot?
Again, using the search find some commissions that are similar to what you offer (both in style and skill). Now, instead of going after the artist you'll want to look at the description and go after the "Commissioned by [person]." People who have already commissioned in the past are more likely to commission again. Think of it this way, would you rather target someone random with no commission history, or someone who's already shown interest and paid money for the exact type of art that you're offering?
All of these methods require significantly more work than what was banned. Unless you're freakishly lucky and talented, there are no shortcuts. Getting exposure WILL take time and effort.
The following steps assume you have some specific interests. Personally, I like clean feral Pokemon art, so I'll be using that to demonstrate my points. Just do this, but with whatever your interests are.
1. Have a minimum of 6-10 good images specific to your interests in your gallery. By good, I mean something that's good for your skill level. Don't just post 6 pieces of junk that took you 4 minutes each. First and foremost you have to give people a reason to want to follow your art, and that's hard to do when you don't have accurate examples of your art already. Also, get an interesting avatar, preferably your own art, but just anything other than the default one. Unless you're brand new, chances are you already have this step done.
2. Use FA's image search to look up your specific interest, and use the Advanced Options to filter for art type/time frame/rating. The term "Pokemon" is very generic, so I'm gonna expand my reach by getting a bit more specific with searches like "Pokemon Arcanine" and other Pokes.
3. Click on every image that is AT OR BELOW your skill level. I think it helps to open them all in new tabs.
4. Now look at the artists. You need to make yourself known to each artist, and the best way is to comment. Comment on their images, their page, say something -genuinely- nice about their art, maybe even a critique if they're ok with that. DON'T outright say "Hey, can you look at my gallery?" because that just comes out sounding desperate and they will probably ignore you. You want the person to visit your page of their own accord because they're interested.
Things that increase your odds of the person coming to check out your page:
- Having an interesting avatar. People are visual, and it's the fastest way to get their attention. Seriously, your avatar is the #1 fastest way to get me to check out your page, no matter where I find your comment.
- If the person doesn't get many comments on their art.
- You commenting on a lot of their stuff. Your name/avatar keeps popping up and becomes familiar/interesting.
- You commenting on a lot of their stuff over time. Some people with less time and more comments will need to see your name lots of times before they recognize you and visit your page.
- If you can find a way to -nicely- get the person to your gallery, maybe ask for feedback on a specific image if the person is willing.
5. If all else fails ask for art trades or do fanart for people! It's tempting to do fanart for popular people, but remember that they usually get a lot already, so your efforts would be better appreciated by someone who doesn't usually get much, if any. Same with trades, popular people already get a lot of trade requests so you should target those that don't get many.
Repeat this for 5, 10, 20, howmanyeveryouwant... people a day for a week or two.
Other, less targeted ideas for getting exposure:
- Let your commissioners/traders/requesters post a smaller version to their galleries. Free exposure to their watchers.
- Do some collabs.
- Join groups related to your interests. Can only find dead groups? Volunteer to take over and revive one! Group doesn't exist? Start one!
- Host a contest so people would give you exposure by posting their entries in their galleries. You can then have people vote on the entries (entrants would then encourage their friends to visit your page to send you their vote).
- Host an art exchange. Unlike a contest, an exchange actually encourages recruitment because of the nature of the event. You don't have to outright ask people to promote it, since you can't anyway.
- Join the forums and offer some limited request slots, link back to your gallery as examples. DON'T require watches/favs/promotions. I'd do a link-gathering, where people just need to leave a link to their refs and you can pick the most interesting ones to draw. It's also a good way to practice something new in the meantime.
- Offer comments/critiques. Make a journal and ask people to give links to art that they want comments on.
Now, that's just for WATCHERS. If you want COMMISSIONERS, you'll have to modify the approach. The reason for this modification is simple. What's better to have: 100 watchers that never commission, or 10 people that commission a lot?
Again, using the search find some commissions that are similar to what you offer (both in style and skill). Now, instead of going after the artist you'll want to look at the description and go after the "Commissioned by [person]." People who have already commissioned in the past are more likely to commission again. Think of it this way, would you rather target someone random with no commission history, or someone who's already shown interest and paid money for the exact type of art that you're offering?
All of these methods require significantly more work than what was banned. Unless you're freakishly lucky and talented, there are no shortcuts. Getting exposure WILL take time and effort.
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I agree with what you're saying, though many people forget that... XD
That being said, I also want people to focus their efforts on things that count so they can actually see some positive results before they get discouraged and give up. ("Results" in that case can mean watchers, friends, favs, comments, or just whatever interaction you're aiming for.)
This journal was intended to provide a clear, step by step alternative to the newly banned "Spam to Win" journals, as FA called them.
Don't know if you've heard of that. It lists all known groups on FA, and they are categorized for easy finding.
There are two people in a forest.
Scenario 1: This is what everyone else is saying.
PersonA: "I'm hungry for berries."
PersonB: "Well, go find some berries in the forest, duh!"
Scenario 2: This is what I'm trying to say.
PersonA: "I'm hungry for berries."
PersonB: "Well, go find some berries in the forest. You might want to look in xxx direction, since it's closer to the xxx. If you see a bush that's xxx color and xxx high, don't even bother going up to it because those are inedible. You'll want to look for bushes that have xxx leaves and xxx color berries. If you find xxx you've gone too far and should probably head back."
Which one is better advice? In scenario 1, PersonA would have spent all of their energy wandering the forest, going up to every single bush, picking up every single edible and non-edible berry, which is a huge waste of time. In the second scenario, PersonA knows exactly what they want, what they're looking for, and they're not gonna waste time trying to climb up a cliff to get berries that they know are inedible. They're also going to know when they're in an entirely unfruitful area, and move back to areas that have potential instead of wandering aimlessly.
You can spend all of your energy trying to be active on everything, but then you're literally wasting 90% of your time. With some targeted advice, you can spend that same time on things that are more likely to bear fruit, and you'll see a much higher return on your efforts.
And I will totally take ur advice "looks at scenario 2" srssly cause I totally get the idea! Finding ppl in specific guideline rules will get u allot further then just random browsing and spending or waste ur energy with getting nowhere. Buuuut what if some ppl like to random browse and see what will get them there?
But if it's for a specific reason like finding more watchers in the same category I would totally agree and advice other ppl to do that too! It will def get u the furthest! thanku for ur time <3
But anyway, I realize and accept I'm not very e-social, so part of my failure is because I haven't done too terribly much of what your'e idea suggests. Besides that I haven't been drawing on a schedule to get popular fast; note I have under 10k page views since 2006. Though at times, I do go out of my way to watch unpopular artists and comment, though I could do with commenting more. (my watch list is small x_x)
For someone who doesn't naturally do something like this, is it bad or false to do this solely as a routine? I'd like to make more friends, but I've preferred to do it in other ways. And for someone who hasn't buckled down into anyone interest/fetish/group, would this not apply to someone like me?
BUT, you've actually done something incredibly smart already: asking your watchers! And glancing at the comments it looks like you're already getting some good feedback. Just using the muscle thing as an example, now you know that one of your target markets are people that enjoy muscle art. So, use that search to find those muscle people, and get their attention through comments on their work and profile. Sometimes we can't see ourselves, and we need others to tell us before we can notice these patterns. Like me, for example. I don't feel like I have any recognizable style, but I've had people tell me they can totally tell when it's my work.
There's no shame in routine marketing! It's a commonly accepted business practice, and we're all conditioned to expect commercials and advertisements (non-spammy and reasonable, of course).
Even watches can get you page visits, probably moreso than first-time comments. I don't get many watches on this site, so I actually do take a peek at my new watcher's pages before I clear the message! In that case, you might even be able to grow your watchlist that way. As for comments, I totally get the not being e-social thing. I'm pretty much like that, and I don't usually comment on things unless it's really compelling. People like us don't have much "social energy" so it's important that we don't waste it. Some people are gonna have like a 5% chance of being interested in your art, and some will have like 50%, so you want to identify those right off the bat and go after the better chance people, ONLY. If you go after the 5% people, you won't get much results, but if you go after the 50% people you'll have higher results and it'll keep you motivated.
I'm actually adding more ideas to the journal entry, if you want to check it out.
I do like your ideas for this though. Generally, it's a good idea to get active in the community, which is something I know I should be doing more of all around. I've just been on and off this site lately. I personally feel like I've struggled to extend my reach on this site, despite how long I've been on it. I feel like not very many tend to see my posts, and even when I have a hit that spread greatly, it's the only piece in my gallery people tend to give a chance. The rest of my work tends to be over looked. I feel discouraged to post here when I feel like hours of work goes unacknowledged and it wards me away.
And there is a good point too, that a fare amount of people here are here for specific things, not even so much the art itself. It's the porn and fetish cliques that make that a little difficult at times if you don't really fall into one.
Being ackive helps, but it still seems like posting art FREQUENTLY is the only real way to get noticed, and it's hard to do that at times.
I think the reasons people don't go beyond that one submission might be because your avatar doesn't reinforce what they just saw. Like, if the submission that went "viral" was an animation similar to your avatar, then that will help you, but if the submission was a graphite image, then it looks like it was a one-off thing and people generally won't think that you have more like it in your gallery.
Then again, it's possible to have an attractive enough avatar that people actively click on your page to leave comments about it (thereby seeing your page and possibly staying to watch).
I said this to another commenter earlier, but you really don't want to be active on every single thing. You need to target people who actually have a good chance of being interested in your art, otherwise you'll just use up your energy with few results and get burned out. The best thing about comments is they're permanent, so not only are you getting the artist's attention, but anyone else that reads those comments in the future.
Btw, I added a bit more to the journal, if you're interested.
It does take work, tho if one can do it, it will feel more rewarding,
than taking the quick and easy way to get known.
Pretty much the only way to get known quickly is to get featured for the banner XD.
Though I'm sad about the fact that raffles cannot be done anymore, I'm not sure I would want to do them if people find them so unpopular.
Raffles like that are pretty much always going to be a flop, partly because of the sheer volume, and partly because they're just naturally indicative of "low quality" art. (You won't find many skilled people doing them, it's usually just those in the beginner stages.) The reality is that, in order to get followers, you have to make something people want to follow. Usually, that comes from artistic skill, but there are plenty of examples online where stick figures and rage comics have become popular simply because they're funny, even with rudimentary art skills.
I'm very happy they got rid of auction and raffle reminders and crap like that. That was really getting on my nerves to the point of dewatching people.
I agree they're annoying, but I honestly had no idea this problem even existed because none of the people I watch had ever taken part in something like that.
I get tickled by fame too but I do not really go out of my way for it. And it really shows too on Deviant Art. An account I have had as my main for 3 years now only has 15,000 despite my stature. Sometimes it bothers me but I do not go out of my way to fix it. I kinda learned my lesson from that in the 9 years I have been on the website. Heh, sorry, I probably did not need to share that.
On a beyond sad note, I only recently realized "Windie" was Japanese for Arcanine. c.c' I can better appreciate your Arcanine fascination now. o3o
Sorry, I never got to your contest. I had an idea I really liked for Fennekin, Braixen and Delphox to work with the gender crisis it has being mostly male despite its feminine look. o3o
I don't have the time/effort to go out of my way for small fame, but getting the FA banner and a DD would still be absolutely amazing. Some days when I'm bored and cleaned out my message center I'll go on a bit of a group-submitting spree to generate activity.
Technically Arcanine's name is closer to "Uindi", but serebii had it as "Windie" when I was making my account. Of course it's too late now, because I've fallen in love with the way my name looks and the fact that W is an upside down M.
Don't worry, I'll definitely host it again, probably with the same prize. I decided to take advantage of dA's buy one get one subby deal for myself, so I just gave her the points and now I'm not limited to any specific time of year anymore.
I don't have a lot of time to go and look things up overhere...
I'm not in it for the watchers anyway so I don't do the raffles...
I even rarely join raffles, though I think in general they are a great incentive if not abused.
Sure my journal-box is filled with 'join this raffle' posts but if I'm not in the mood or don't have time I just delete them.
I just want to improve and would appreciate comments even a 'looks terrible' would be great.
Sadly enough, as I don't create raffles, I don't get comments.
Sure people barely look at my drawings,
but I'd love it if only for a second they'd answer with one word.
I offer free art, just with the question if someone is interested, no need to watch or join or anything...
But still no comments...
As I don't seem to manage to draw my own fursona which is so vivid in my head, it brings me down sometimes.
But reality is reality... even if we put in the effort, there's no guarantee others will...
And as I have barely the time to even draw, let alone constantly comment or research others...
I'm screwed if nothing else
Never know what to say, how to say it...
I think the reason you're not getting requests, even though you're offering, is just because of how few people are watching you, aka not many people know about your requests. At this point, your best bet is to keep drawing and posting as frequently as you can. When you draw, try to visualize the 3D version of whatever you're drawing. Try to see the underlying shapes and anatomy. Try to see through the forms, and visualize where the hidden lines/connections/details are. This is best accomplished by deeply studying references, which is why everyone always keeps saying to just keep drawing. Technically, the "just keep drawing" advice is also pointless by itself, but that's whole other drawing tutorial in and of itself. I can't explain it all in text alone.
Unfortunately, if you don't have time to draw, you don't have time to improve past the beginner stage, but that doesn't mean you can't still garner attention as you practice. You can register in the forums and make a thread letting everyone know about your requests. The free art forums tend to get a lot of views. You can also go fav-hopping, find characters that you like, and draw them as giftart for the person. If you do the second one, try to look for people who don't get much giftart, because it'll make more of an impression than with someone who gets a lot.
I'm also trying to provide targeted advice, so that people don't get burned out and discouraged. I'm pretty sure most of those that want watchers are actually looking for more commissions, which uses a slightly modified strategy which I just added to the journal.
Though, some of your images actually take me back. My style used to be similar to yours back when it started turning from something I hated to something I started to like :D. (Except you have a much better grasp of backgrounds than I did back then.)
When you're new, it's pretty hard to stand out without socializing, unless your art is good enough to speak for itself.
In your case, I'd say you already have a good base of watchers as well as the necessary skill to pull out the big guns. You don't have to spend 3 hours a day looking for people, just try to find one targeted person a day and compliment them on their art/icon/character/something they said. If you let commissioners post the image to their gallery, make sure they link back directly to your image and/or gallery (not just your profile). This gives you maximum exposure to their watchers. I added a few more ideas about how to get in front of other people's watchers, if you're interested.
Finally, if you're truly busy, try to find ways to get your art to reach the maximum number of people. Christmas is coming up, maybe you can make a group gift image? Here's an example where I was nominated, it was an awesome surprise! http://silverbirch.deviantart.com/a.....ight-147733754. Just make a journal and ask your watchers to nominate their friend's characters. Chances are, lots of those friends won't be watching you, but once you post this giant image you now have a great reason to personally reach out to a crapton of people, make them look at your art, and possibly have them make their own SQUEEEEE journals about how awesome this giant image is.
Of course, there's always the FA banner. You can't get bigger than that.
However, as I am a verY BUSY artist and person [school], and as you said I already have a good base, I simply cannot afford any sort of free art or promotion that requires sustained and active action from me. I need a passive method of promotion, which is a one-two-time action that keeps multiplying by itself.
Bitterly, I will set up a FA banner, yes. In February.
Still, with as many watchers as you have there's lots you can do. Have you thought about hosting something, like a Secret Santa? Aside from taking the time to match people up and send notes, it doesn't require more of an investment than that. Plus, you can encourage people to promote your SS in their journals (free exposure to their watchers/friends). You can also host a contest, but then you'd have to provide a prize so that's why I suggested the SS.
nope, not allowed. -.-
I thought about a contest but more like a raffle. Though idk how it would get promoted.. sighe
You can still do the exchange, but you probably won't see the results until most people have started posting theirs. Unlike contests/raffles, where there's an incentive to keep the competition limited, exchanges actually encourage community participation. This means people are more likely to promote it of their own accord, so you'd be in the clear.
You could also submit your art between 7pm and 10pm Eastern (USA) time. I've found a significant increase in views/favs compared to submitting outside of that time range. In fact, I submitted this image http://www.furaffinity.net/view/12167474/ here on FA 15 minutes after I did so on dA, and it ended up getting roughly 25 favs here and only 20 on dA that night. It doesn't look like much, until you consider that I have 330 watchers here, and 900 on dA. Even now, the FA one has slightly less total views but more favs.
That's true.. well, I'll see..
How much is that in GMT? XD
silverbirch.deviantart.com/art/Starlight-147733754
Also FA didn't like the lack of http.