Chain Journals. . . lovely.

This is one that should be passed around

And get banned? Or suspended? I think I will leave that stuff in tumblr.

Veck, this is not a call out journal to slander a person's name, or anything detrimental. All this is, is a way to get people (men and women) who may consider committing such a crime as this to reconsider their actions. If this stops just one person or a thousand people from raping someone else, then this journal has done its job.

Consider? Dude, I get the feeling that 99.9% of all rapes are "heat of the moment"-type crimes. I've never heard of premeditated rape...I'm sure it exists, but in general, the type of person who's going to rape someone isn't usually a very nice person.

Seriously, it's like trying to shame a serial killer into not murdering. It just...it doesn't seem like it'll work.

Sorry to say that you are wrong in that regard, rape is a premeditated crime. Placing rape and murder in the same context is misleading.

Do your research first,

http://faculty.plts.edu/gpence/PS10...../html/rape.htm

http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/commonmyths2.php

http://www.semo.edu/dps/sexual_assault.htm

Really? Because with even just a quick glance, it looks like the premeditated part is location, not target.

I stand by my assertion you can't shame someone into not committing rape.

That being said, we're talking about a man raping a woman in all these cases. The fact of the matter is that socially, that seems to be the only rape anyone cares about, so if you're a victim but not a woman, you're likely to be ignored. And if you're a man and were raped by a woman? Prepare to be accused of liking it.

The problem is that men get raped almost as often as women, but the crimes are not reported as much as when a women is raped. Why, because we as men are conditioned from birth that what happens top a female CAN NOT happen to us, and when a male does try to report his rape, he is teased, laughed at, ridiculed, mocked and called a liar. I know that first hand when I tried to report my rape years ago. As of today, it is easier fer a male to report that he was sexually assaulted than 30+ years ago.

"Easier" doesn't mean "easy", though. And in a lot of ways, society doesn't want to change its views on things like this: women need protection, men don't. If a man and a woman are having sex, then the man wants it, period. The idea of women somehow taking something from a man like that is so against our genetic programming, a lot of people will flat-out deny it.

Also, what do you mean, "30+ years ago"? Aren't you in like, your 20s?

You just aren't getting it.

Yes men can get raped just as easily as women. But here is where you are showing your ignorance. Men can be raped NOT just by women, but as in my case, by other men and women can be raped by women.

Yes it is easier for a man to report getting raped today than when I was raped, remember societies views are slow to change but they do change.

What you and many others are doing right now is trying to keep people like me from getting stuff like what is in my journal out as it is destroying the rape culture mindset. Something that others are not wanting to see destroyed.

*facepalm* There IS no rape culture, and even if there were, it doesn't apply to YOU. It applies to WOMEN. There is no rape culture against men, PERIOD. Rape culture is an idea created by radical feminists to support the idea that rape of women is a socially acceptable behavior in place to keep women down, something that a LOT of models disagree with. After all, do you realize HOW dangerous it is to be a rapist in prison? You won't likely live long enough to serve your sentence if you are one.

That being said, I'm not ignorant, I'm pointing out how society will view your experiences; it doesn't ultimately matter what I think, it matters what the rest of the world thinks. And in America, men don't get raped; or at least, that's the view of the American people. It sucks, and I don't like it, but posting chain journals isn't gonna help change this. We have to actually TALK to people, CONVINCE them that things aren't what they think.

So you are saying that when a rape victim reports the crime, getting shamed by the police, prosecutor, defense and public is NOT rape culture. THAT is the definition of rape culture, shame the victim and make the rapist look all innocent. Every time a rape case goes to trial, the victim is ALWAYS painted as the instigator. That is rape culture. Rape culture also applies to men. Why do you think that men don't report getting sexually assaulted as women? It is because of rape culture.

And saying that men don't get raped is wrong, as is your views.

Okay, you're clearly too emotional on this topic to discuss it with any sort of logic, and have decided to look at this in the way that makes you the most of a martyr you can be. I never said men don't get raped, I said society sees it like that. But I'm not going to continue with this, because all you do is twist words to suit your own needs.

All you are doing is dismissing everything that is being said. And in that way you are subscribing to and promoting rape culture. Change doesn't happen by sitting on ones overly fat ass, change happens by people taking a stand and forcing officials, policy and laws to change.

Calling me a fatass because you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. You are an outright jerk, you know that?

Never said you were. Reread my reply, ones is being used as a collective term for everyone

Right, because like with every other dismissing comment you made, you were referring "in general", despite the fact I was the one making the comments.

Rape is some messed up shit, but the way a lot of people react to it doesn't help either. Throwing around "rape culture" when the fact of the matter is that most people are just ignorant is part of that; many people are uneducated and naive versus actively negligent. Assigning blame to people who just don't know any better doesn't help change things as much as just simple education can.

We do not live in a rape culture, but we're far from perfect. If you want an example of rape culture, just take a gander at the middle east in where some countries women are openly sexually assaulted in a public square, and a woman is guaranteed to face punishment for having been raped. That's rape culture!

So you are saying that when a rape victim reports the crime, getting shamed by the police, prosecutor, defense and public is NOT rape culture.

That is an exception, not the norm, and you often find news articles about those occurrences where police and officials pull these kinds of stunts, cos we do not tolerate this as a society. In contradiction to the idea of rape culture, the mere accusation of rape can ruin a person's life, whether or not the accusation is real or not. When a person can loose everything they worked for, have their relationships destroyed, and face serious social recourse including physical and even sexual assault themselves for being accused; that is not rape culture.

Every time a rape case goes to trial, the victim is ALWAYS painted as the instigator. That is rape culture.

No, that's a person trying to get out of punishment by abusing an imperfect system. People use that tactic as a defense for a number of crimes "But he/she attacked me first, I was defending myself."

Sadly, just because women have it worse in other countries, does not mean "rape culture" doesn't exist in America too.

As to your final point, are you sure you know the definition of "rape culture"?
Because, shifting blame onto the victim instead of the attacker/accused is the definition of rape culture.
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I'm going to respond to both of your responses in this post.

Firstly, yes I know what rape culture, I'm not sure that you do. Rape culture condones, excuses, and tolerates rape; anyone who's not blinded by feminist propaganda knows that the extremely vast majority of this country finds that rape as a crime of the most heinous of nature; to some a crime even worse than murder.

If your definition of rape culture is shifting the blame onto the victim instead of the attacker/accused, then we live in a myriad of fucking cultures; cos that's what most guilty people do to try and avoid punishment for their crime. And when a police force does blame the victim, you hear about it the next morning in the news.

We live in a culture where the mere accusation of a sex crime is dangerous for the accused, whether they are guilty or not. That alone is proof enough that we do not live in a rape culture.

Rape culture is a fabrication and it's intended to keep women and rape victims down and riddled with fear.

I'm going to respond to you in the same fashion that I did to the guy who noted me after my post.
I'm not sure you understand what rape culture is either.
It includes victim bashing and slut shaming, which is what most of the "accused" using your terminology, try to do at trial or in the media.
And no, just because it's "dangerous for the accused" does not mean we don't live in a rape culture.
As I said to the other guy, I know several victims of rape, men and women, most all of them were told "It's your own damn fault" when they told a friend, a relative or the police.
I'm also getting tired of people going "omg, feminism!"
Feminism and Radical Feminism are two different things, that I also believe you're confusing with each other.
So, yeah, I've said my piece, Kyu, out!

Everything about rape culture, we openly discourage and scorn those who do it.

And yes, accusations endangering the lives of the accused does prove we don't live in a rape culture, it's blatantly obvious if the retaliation for even the mere accusation of rape is a severe backlash, it shows that we do not condone rape or sexual assault in our society.

I know a number of victims of sexual abuse/rape, my own brother is a victim and even in my ass backwards rural community he wasn't met with scorn from the police saying he was lieing, or he brought it on himself. They actually did an investigation, even though the guy didn't get arrested, it wasn't because they didn't do their jobs, it was because the situation didn't lend any evidence to prove that what happened, happened. That, my dear, is not rape culture.

And the reason why people are going "omg, feminism" is because there is no difference between "normal" feminism and radical feminism. Feminism reacts to these occurrences of what you call "rape culture" and turns a blind eye to the response of the masses that scorn these people who fail the victims.

Just because it happens from time to time, does not mean we live in a rape culture where we men are only thinking of ways to rape everything that moves, and blame it for our actions. Maybe if feminism wasn't trying to suppress women, we'd all be more open to it. But feminism just wants to make every woman powerless, and make every rape victim feel like they'll never find justice.

"there is no difference between "normal" feminism and radical feminism."
This part alone... I'm done talking to you... I really am.
Please don't reply to this.
smh

I thought you said your peace?

But let me help you out with that

Are you sure you know the actual definition of "rape culture" because I read your post here and facepalmed.
I double facepalmed.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/12.....facepalm-o.gif
You should feel ashamed, you really should.

rape punishment should be to tie them down and have the perps raped in public constantly for months degrade them and hurt them like they did to their victim

I agree

yeah

And then be castrated and/or turned into a eunuch so that they can't rape anyone else...especially the serial rapists and the child rapists e.e''

I think there have been times that a rapist has been chemically castrated.

In the olden ages and even still in some countries they cut them off....which is far nicer than just crushing them between stones as was done in some places

I think there is a reason why we've stopped doing that, because it's really not all that effective, it's just vindictive. Rape and sexual assault is more about control than arousal or sexual desire, castrating a person ain't going to stop them from sodomizing another victim with a broom handle.

If someone's not particularly afraid of the punishment, what's to keep them from committing the crime? Perhaps, as parts of society start to feel pity for the situation various criminals have gotten themselves into, and punishments become more lax, we'll see an upswing in crime like other countries have tried.

Unfortunately that's something that can't be accounted for, people commit various crimes fearless of even death it's self. It's just an unfortunate part of living in our world, we can only combat this with attempts to rehabilitate and incarceration for extended periods of time.

True, but that's a statistically small portion. If the penalty for anything was death, crime wouldn't entirely disappear, but there'd be a significant reduction. I'm not saying that the penalty for everything should be death, of course, but it certainly should be more than a stern talking-to and vacation.

I don't think there is any law or threat of punishment that will make sex crimes go away. I hate to say it, but as long as our species requires sex to reproduce, or can have sex period, rape will always be a problem.

I admitted that, regardless of the consequences, there will be offenders, but punishments that are actually unpleasant reduce both first-time offenders and recidivism.

The punishment should fit the crime, and castration/genital mutilation isn't a satisfactory "go-to" punishment for rape or sexual assault, it's better fitting for more extreme cases.

And I'm not one of the ones who's suggesting it should be. But there should be something, that's for sure.

There is... Felony charge, prison up to 15 years or more upon conviction, name etched in stone on the sex offenders list. When you've got a felony conviction on you, your life changes.

I know a man who served 12 and a half years for raping a 5 year old girl, and that's not something you want to serve time for. But his life after being released is just plain miserable, honestly, if half the shit he's told me is true; I'd rather be raped than go through the shit he's gone through.

Between having to report to his parole officer (or whatever his worker is called), having to periodically re-register on the sex offenders list, can't keep a job, been beaten numerous times, harassed by neighbors, and you know that trying to find a place to live with that on your record is going to be a challenge. He has to put up with this for the rest of his life...

If he did it, he deserves it. But alot of people really don't know how serious it is when you've got something like that on your record.

And then we become no better than the perpetrator. As much as "eye for an eye" might feel gratifying at first, in the long run it could possibly do more harm than good.

A friend of mine said it best "We need to show them that we live in a civilized society that does not tolerate such savagery."

Agree

I think FA is cracking down on chain journals. I know, it sucks, because this particular one is meant to be helpful. They're cracking down on all sorts of things like free art raffle journals that ask others spread the word in order to enter the raffle. Just can't find any way to get ahead, spread the word about important things (especially on a site that condones rape as a fetish, not that I have anything against willing participants of it), etc.

Anyways. happy Monday. :P

This should fall within the rules as I am not raffling off art, monies, etc, just getting the word out that people should see

Okay, I think it falls within the rules as well. :3

yeah

It's sick that some get a free pass because of their 'promising future'.

I agree, but even today the public is starting to make that excuse invalid

It never should have been valid in the first place. "They had such a bright future ahead of them" might be an acceptable excuse for leaniancy for petty theft, but physically/sexually assaulting or raping someone... nupe.

I don't want to sound insensitive, as I agree with the letter of this piece, "IF you do...", you're going to Hell, and I understand the purpose is preventative, but we have to remember "If you didn't". If a court decides someone did commit this act, and sentencing is lenient because "bright future" blah blah, that's a travesty, but if they decide that someone didn't commit the act, that's entirely different. Someone's "bright future" should not be ruined as the result of a false accusation, which has been known to happen, and why innocent until proven guilty is such a critically important aspect of justice today. Once upon a time, accusations of rape were used as a weapon by white women against black men, with skin color being all that was necessary to prove guilt.

None of which is to say if someone did, that they should get anything less than the same treatment, only that we should make damn sure they're a witch before we burn them.

This. Definitely this. :)

False accusation doesn't exist; women never lie.

...sorry, I'm feeling more than a bit spiteful given how Ainoko's been treating what I've said.

Two week block

thanks.

throwing spite and bitterness at a rape victim. Furry fandom never ceases to amaze me.

and don't you just love it when some bitter individual uses your thoughts in defense of their own hate? >_<

Whaat the fuuck.... [looking at earlier comments]

CHAIN JOURNALS, WHY MUST YOU APPEAR IN MY GOD DAMN STUFF.

Okay well.
I agree with this, if you rape someone, which is really fucked up, you deserve prison time no matter what your promising future could be. You commit the crime, you do the time. You can't do the time, you don't do the crime. How ever, people with physiological issues shouldn't be exempt from this either, which is another thing that PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF. If you can get your lawyer to say "not guilty for reasons of insanity" you pretty much have it made, that and the fact it seems Jehovah witnesses somehow have the luxury of being exempt from having their DNA or blood taken.

Then again, Im the guy that enjoys the death penalty so I should probably stay quiet before a bunch of idiots start replying to my comments.

First, I agree with your journal.
Second, I am sorry you get so much crap from these people for it, Aino.
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Wide words, deary. VERY wise words. Danke for posting this.