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I am okay with this c:
pokepokepokepokepokepokepokepokepokepokepoke@.@
First of all, it says on my profile to "ask". That does not mean "if you can find me, go ahead and add me". If you had asked, I might have been more inclined to talk to you and add you to my list but since you didn't... You just made me feel violated and stalked.
Secondly, skype is for people I talk to often and trust. Trust is a big part in this equation. I am not comfortable allowing random people into my personal space and have access to my personal info.
If I wanted to have every person to add me, I would have put my username up publicly.
>:I
.... Well I appreciate the apology. However, I seriously doubt you were trying to find someone else. I can see if you were looking but didn't mean to actually add me. That makes more sense, but you don't just "accidentally" find someone on skype.
All in all though, I appreciate your reaction and again, apology. Don't feel that I'm mad or anything. I just wanted to get my boundaries clear.
IF you wish to talk to me for some reason, feel free to note me~
Just tried to have a civil debate with him, in which he swore at me multiple time, supplied nothing to defend his own facts, and tried to win the debate with nothing more than insults, and expletives.
When he couldn't, he blocked me.
Funny world. <3 So don't feel down about blocking him.
He does it when he can't win.
The dude has already harassed me though both on here, and my skype. So honestly if anyone were to be considered a stalker, it'd be him.
Thankfully, I chased him off. Go ahead and add me on Skype if he continues. I can give ya some arguments to copy paste to him to knock him down a few pegs. <3
Would you believe I feel sorry for him? It's not like he's wrong about feeling defensive when it comes to things he enjoys, he just...He's got no knowledge of how to properly debate is all.
As for the project that Ben Anderson worked on, there was actually proof of progress. There was a beta site people could check out. There was screenshots, code shots, people taking suggestions on what features to implement. And that all ground to a screeching halt once one ' Zaush ' was implemented.
It was only after Zaush made a fool of himself, that the volunteers packed their bags. If there is going to be another project starting here, it's going to probably flounder the same way if he's involved.
And if Zaush was toating that he was so ' Skilled ' at this position, why can't he fill this one himself? Too busy playing project head?
TL;DR: Do some research, come back, bring a decent argument to the table, instead of the usual strawman argument you toss out there.
-ThreeDawg
' Every time this comes up, you're saying something bad about it '.
Check it, before you shrek it.
And the Fuck Yous? Straw manning.
Try harder.
Yeah, and it's true, every time. He has nothing good to say.
Fuck you then, I guess. I'm not straw manning anybody but I do disagree with anything you say.
Nice talking to you.
Try harder next time. <3
wow. asshole much? I wasn't even talking to you. And I'll be damned if I'm going to be accused of being a fanboy. I do believe in the site, but that's nothing to be ashamed of.
Since I can't ask you to elaborate, perhaps I can ask you to kindly f*ck off. I also find it funny that you block me after making this comment. If you want to engage in a discussion, that kind of behavior is counterproductive.
I can see if someone's harrassing you or something, but it always seems super childish for someone to pop out their brand of bullshit in a discussion then immediately block you so you can't say anything back. Just sling an attack without any means of defense.
That DK dude does that a lot though.
I may not agree with someone's overall point, but to immediately block them after putting forth my own is childish as shit.
But yep! I got hit too by making a joking comment of him bitching a fit over nothing elsewhere. He misgendered me, then gave a snide response and when I went to respond to it, I was blocked.
Not long after I see him again, on another journal, does the EXACT same thing to someone else.
Now here. lol
Talk about butthurt victim syndrome. Oh no, ive been corrected! Time to block this bully who says they arent the gender i thought to be correct!
(Arghhh. I have to keep reposting this bc my mobile is horrible lol!! )
I got instantly blocked. He seems to do it to prevent even the HINT of any backlash. He's okay with policing people, and acting like he's some captain of justice, but not okay when someone needs to call him out on his shit. I feel like if you're gonna go around policing people and telling them about themselves, you should at least have the balls to not auto block on the chance someone doesn't agree with what you have to say. That's childish as fuck when people are harrassing anyone or being a troll enough to warrent and auto, no explanation block. Especially when HE'S the one usually at the forefront of the bullshit.
"everyone ferments, blame flung"
"no progress made"
Try not to get too passionate about things, that's all.
As you put it so quaintly "wow. asshole much" lmao
If you really were paying attention, you would know this, I don't typically post a lot in the forums anyway.
And honestly? Your behavior kind of warrants a block if you're going to just curse at someone who dares to think differently of you.
it was a picture from my German class trip in 2008, I was 18. But I didn't look it.
Though, personally, if I had the money I'd probably buy the entire site, ditch everyone on staff and actually hire professional web-designers to get the job done from the ground up. A total overhaul and renovation of everything here. Because, really, if you're going to do something, do it right the first time so you don't have to constantly patch and tweak to fix it.
2. "Everyone has a price."
Reading is fundamental.
Still, I'm sure if I had something like 2-3 million I'd be able to convince him to sell the site and the rights to it to me. That said, i'd offer that price-tag since I see this site as an opportunity to become quite profitable that it'd be more an investment than an ego thing (by being able to say "this is my site.")
... I am a bit of a businessman at heart after-all.
Such wookiee. Very rebel. Much smuggle. Wow.
Besides... Go back to "Everyone has a price." This has never been proven incorrect as long as the money is legit (which means that my aspirations for taking over this site are, for now, only a pleasant dream.)
And really... who in their right mind would turn down a 7-figure paycheck? Especially one that's bound to have younglings that he'll be financially responsible for?
Hope you find someone diligent!
Well maybe not that yet, but I wouldn't be surprised.
*eaons upon eaon
centuries upon centuries.
frankly I might be a bit biased though since I tend to like things that are familiar and easy to use.
I don't know what you mean.
Everything else is turning into a glossy maze, so it's comforting to know that since FA will never be updated, at least they won't mess up the layout I like.
~ DevOps Borat (@DEVOPS_BORAT) March 12, 2013
Its complete hell on my phone.
And while you are at it, look up Jim Rennie. Stephen King character. You need to understand what this is starting to look like here.
Saw this one coming.
"5 Months and no one has touched the front-end CSS yet? In any software project, that is an absolute disaster. "
I have Just completed my Bachelor of Science degree in Computer Science and am going into the Master of Science next year. As far as I'm concerned even touching the parts that make something look good is pointless if the back end does not work. And if this is a Full recode as has been mentioned many time (Backend and Front) Would it not be more beneficial for them the get the backend to a working state before trying to make the data it would spit out look good?
I may be wrong but to me Something that works but doesn't look good is a lot better then a good looking not working site in my personal opinion.
(Just to make sure i'm not going at who's coding or who's been fired/removed, That's drama to me and I don't care about it, Im only asking about the Computer Science part and the reasoning behind it)
If you develop the Model and the Controller with no View, you end up with a spider's web of features and the massive task of then attempting to integrate them into a front-end when really, you should add a feature then integrate with the front-end. If you have a front-end, you can tailor the modules accordingly - what is paramount to the backend only and how can one separate said functionality from the Interface if you do not know what your interface actually is? Surely they must've taught you the correct processes for developing applications like this in Software Engineering. Be it the Waterfall or Rapid Prototyping methodology (et al), you NEED an interface.
Having all that wonderful Javascript nonsense to make it look pretty? That can wait until the end. The actual skeleton and rough layout? That should be early in the development process so you can see how pages react to certain input variables.
you can output raw data to the screen without any CSS coding My question was why would they want to focus on the Visual aspects when there are quicker ways to test the back end.
My project was Rapid Prototyping and the majority of my prototypes were Command line output, it wasn't till the end of the project that I implemented a OpenGL 3D Environment.
I suppose it Different areas though with Web Development, As its all about the visual Aspects for a website... mostly. Im more of a Back end programmer anywho.
That sentence made no sense.
you can output raw data to the screen without any CSS coding
And what about input? It'd be nice to have a properly laid out screen. For that you need some HTML and a bit of CSS.
Plus, as stated, you need to affix the backend directly to the Graphical Interface in order to get ANYTHING done with a dynamic website.
majority of my prototypes were Command line output
Tell me, what part of the web browser is Command Line?
it wasn't till the end of the project that I implemented a OpenGL 3D Environment.
Again, what part of the browser is OpenGL 3D?
I suppose it Different areas though with Web Development
Gee, ya think?
Last I checked a Database and input-based logic differ greatly from w/e the hell you seem to be thinking of.
Command line Interface is Basically Textual I/O only, no Graphical Interface (that would be Text on a screen which if I'm not mistaken, a Browser shows quite well without CSS)
I CBA Translating the rest of it.
What I was going at was the situation as depicted below.
Oh i want to do something fancy in this corner of the page.
*spend 3 weeks designing the Graphic aspects of said fancy thing*
Okay that looks good, now lets do the back end
*spend another 3 weeks attempting to do the thing that is in actual fact, not possible for some various reason* (hardware limitation/Coder inexperience/ Software limitation, code limitation, ect ect ect)
Oh well now instead of wasting 3 week on this impossible task I have wasted 6... oh well.
As it seems that I cant hold a causal conversation without wanting to throw an insult at you (unsure where that feeling comes from) I'm going to go back to talking programmers.
So Thanks for the Chat.
Ni'cko
Don't patronise me, mate. That Master's degree you're going for I already have.
that would be Text on a screen which if I'm not mistaken, a Browser shows quite well without CSS
You still need to see how to the page structure reacts to the information shown! No, you don't need the super fancy elements as stated, but you need structure and colours, which requires CSS. Plus, its been 5 months and they're only looking for front-end people now. In any project, that's a disaster.
*spend 3 weeks designing the Graphic aspects of said fancy thing*
Or, ya know, you get the person in charge of the front-end to do it and you work as a team with parallel development.
Or, alternatively, you could not be a crap-tastic web developer and get that thing in the bottom corner done in 20minutes.
Okay that looks good, now lets do the back end
Except you work on both at the same time. You have an extremely linear thought process when it comes to development. The basic process should be a tick-tock: "Okay, I've added a small element to the back-end, lets make it display correctly on the front-end".
Oh well now instead of wasting 3 week on this impossible task I have wasted 6
That's just horrific planning on the PM's part.
Its amazing how much you brown-nose this website. It Really is.
/trollface :P
http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/node.js
Yep, they did.
However, regarding the questionable scalability of Node, it seems to work well for PayPal
In most cases I would argue you should really be more concerned with how you write an app than what you write it in
@Miff, while Python is undoubtedly an excellent choice, and is in fact my preferred language, but saying it's the only valid language is just silly
@Ben, the relative benefits of ASP or JSP vs other languages can be argued until we're both blue in the face. However, most people I talk to agree that the performance benefits provided are effectively meaningless, and I agree with them. Programmer productivity is much more important. I know personally I'm more productive in Python, and I certainly enjoy it more, and if performance is a big issue you'd be better off scaling horizontally anyway, as demonstrated by the fact that Google uses Python.
YMMV and Personal Preferences vary, yes. But to me, compiled is the way to go for robustness.
I like PHP too but it gets slow with larger amounts of data being processed. Same with MySQL (although I actually hate that one).
RE the low numbers of people without Javascript, the 2% number was from Yahoo in 2010, I believe. Gov.uk did a study on their own website in 2013 which showed just a little over 1% of people don't get Javascript in their browsers. https://gds.blog.gov.uk/2013/10/21/.....t-enhancement/
As for robustness, I'm not sure what you mean. I can't imagine why one would be any more robust than the other, both PHP and ASP.NET a mature and stable, and the same can be said for MySQL and SQL Server and indeed for Windows and Linux. The robustness comes from your configuration rather than the services, though perhaps windows is just easier to properly configure.
tl;dr people get too caught up in concerns over performance, just stick with what you know. If you know Node.js, trying to learn ASP.NET for the minuscule gains in performance is simply not worth it.
Considering the abysmal performance of FurAffinity at times, performance is EXACTLY what we should be striving for. If we can eek that out with a compiled language with direct access to the OS (ala ASP.NET) then we're golden like a good breakfast cereal.
Bish Bash Bosh. Job's a good'n.
If you take anything from my tired paragraphs, take this: There is no magic bullet. If you've got a bad stack in PHP, switching to ASP isn't going to make it good, just perhaps marginally less bad.
CPython isn’t the only implementation in existence, of course…
The PyPy project, which I'll assume is what campersander was hinting at in his post, attempts to do the same for Python by JIT compiling Python to machine code, with pretty impressive results.
Additionally, in regards to the FA rewrite, it's important to note Node.js runs atop Google's V8, which compiles JavaScript to machine code at runtime as well
there is a JITted python implementation, pypy, but the reference implementation is not JIT. it just compiles to bytecode at startup.
Alas, the decision to use node.js entirely is INSANE
Progress? Where.Also that's the best comment/reply I've seen all day.
I need some organization in my gallery ;_;
I NEED to have things organized. My DA account is a testament to that, as well as my computer.
SUBFOLDERS EVERYWHERE>
Organization is a lovely thing.
AHHH FOREVER FOLDERS, PLEASE!
I'll have a Pokemon folder, a personal folder, Commissions and Gift art folder,
A Refsheet Folder for my characters, a comics folder for my comics, and a folder for art that people make me!.
I won't need to make multiple accounts to organize my mass amount of random art, AND I'll be able to find it.
It would be Lovely.
#Perv
#Brick'd
Here's a commission website I am making for myself to show recent work (This is a sample page): http://iraph-studios.com/download/r.....%20Designs.htm
I also have a few other websites I've created (I always create mine from scratch, so each one is 100% original):
http://theglytheumstate.com <-- My story/soon-to-be-video-game website
http://raph.iraph-studios.com <-- My portfolio website
http://iraph-studios.com <-- My server index
I have lots of experience with PHP, HTML, HTML5, and CSS. I also can get by with MySQL.
I think I've offered my help before here...but yeah! Give me a shout if you're interested at iraph-studios[at]live.com :3 I've been doing this for years, and would love to contribute.
nawp
Though this is the part that bothers me:
Website better viewed in Google Chrome.
Best viewed in Google Chrome.
Nope. Make sure it works in everything if you're a web designer. That's... pretty much your job, right there.
Google Chrome just displays everything the best. For example...take one of the websites and display it both in Chrome and Firefox. It'll be the same, except Chrome renders it slightly better.
You also throw this at me as if I don't know -how- to make it compatible with other browsers. I just like people to know it displays best in Chrome.
Just because I like Chrome better, does not mean I cannot build a website. don't shout my talent down over something so small :3
If you have to say "it displays best in <browser>" then you have failed as a web-deisnger. It should look exactly the same in EVERY browser and not have a "best" viewing method.
Fine.
Since you seem so adamant that you're quite good at website design and construction and seem to dismiss anyone in the know, I'm just gonna rip your shit to pieces. You asked for it! ;D
Google Chrome just displays everything the best.
And yet STRANGELY ENOUGH, when I and many others design a website it appears identically across ALL browsers.
http://1drv.ms/1jZX9hd Here, have a screen shot of a very old version of my portfolio across three browser: Safari, Chrome and Firerox.
It'll be the same, except Chrome renders it slightly better.
And it shouldn't. IT SHOULD ALL BE THE SAME.
I just like people to know it displays best in Chrome.
If you have to say that then you've not made it display correctly in other browsers. NO ARGUMENTS. YOU DUN GOOFED.
does not mean I cannot build a website
YOUR WEBSITES ARE BUILT FROM TABLES.
Your meta tags are shit or non-existent, your layouts are basic, your images lack alt tags, your external linkages are non-existent, you space elements out with </br> and non-breaking spaces and so on and so forth. In fact, just look at this screen shot of your portfolio with my now defunct one. http://1drv.ms/SASKLd
Your website is fresh out of 1996. Its non-standard, its poorly written, its not semantic and god knows how many other errors.
Lastly, to point to another one of your responses:
It's actually proven that Chrome's HTML engine renders incredibly better than any other HTML engine out there.
You do realise that Webkit, the actual rendering engine (which is made by Apple), is also used in Android, iOS, Safari, Webkit Tab extension for IE etc. So if it renders correctly in Chrome but doesn't in iOS, then no, you've done something horribly wrong. Its probables to do with the fact that YOU USE NO TYPE DECLARATION. So the browser just straight up guesses.
You are no where NEAR professional level - pick up a book and study a LOT more. You can't just throw down tables and expect a website (yes, even one as bad as FA) to hire you. I COULD'VE been a lot more pleasant in explaining this to you, but no, I will take thy arrogant ass down 12 pegs after many people tried to tell you that, maybe, just maybe, you're not as good as you think you are.
Drop it?
I agree, Chrome has better rendering capabilities than firefox.
<span class="buttonContainer" onclick="window.location = 'art.php'"><span class="button">Digital Artwork</span></span>
It was purely for CSS purposes in order to style the buttons more effectively and to have a bit of fun doing so. Prior to that old website going flat (style wise), the outer span provided rounded corners and outer border colours, with the inner providing gradient and inner border (obvs a lot more styling that that but I can't remember then right now). The end result was a perfect recreation of the UI controls from Windows 7 and Mac OS X (they used to change depending on the visitors OS). I realised that two elements were needed to achieve the 3D effect. I'll make a version for you when I get home! :D
As for the it stops words from collapsing to the line below if the user resizes the window. It became habit as at the time I was working at British Airways and was mandatory on almost everything.
:)
Exactly! It can’t be opened in a new tab with Control, the middle mouse button, or a context menu; it can’t be focused or activated with the keyboard; it doesn’t work without JavaScript.
I'll make a version for you when I get home! :D
Appreciated!
The is fine, by the way.
Anyway, had to throw it together quickly as I'm still not home and on a shitty laptop: http://benanderson.homeip.net/button.html
Sloppily put together, not sure if it works outside of Opera but hopefully you get the idea.
When standards aren't standard they infuriate me in variable ways. (Standard ways?)
Makes about as much sense as men's and women's pant sizes. (In the US anyhow).
Browser should = Different way to view same content
NOT
Different way to view same content IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
At that point, any "standards" may as well be shoved up a MY filthy ass and farted at fart-speed towards the fucking sun.
I'm leaving Earth now. You're welcome to join me. We'll have a TV and chips n' stuff, and NO GRLS ALLWD (naw seriously, that's just on the sign, they're allowed). I'll be making some awesome punch too. Want some punch?
Drink the punch.
(@)_(@)
So...yeah. I tend to recommend it. But just because the recommendation is there, does not mean it is not compatible with other browsers. I could take that off, and it would be no difference.
*HISSES*
Thanks, but if this is what I'm gonna deal with...I think I'll try elsewhere.
Besides-- If you send a note then the staff has a copy of it for further record. Good Luck brosef~
dont need white nights clippin this for the truth in it,.. are there changes since i got here,.. psh,.. my age
I can't believe that they thought this was a good idea. I think they just want to stir the pot since the old drama died down.
*random drama*
./band
Whether this actually ever goes live is anybodies guess.
Good luck Brosef.
But I would assume a note would work better anyway but....almost everyone who is raising their hand is doing it hesitantly now so.........eh.
but thank you for the small update!
I'd rather work for Piranha Games. XD
Sounds all too familiar.
I was doing front end and I had a working mobile interface as well as a normal front-end for desktops/laptops that was getting good feedback from the community via the Forums. I got kicked off the team by Adam Wan.
That was five months ago around New Years day.
It has been FIVE MONTHS and they are only JUST NOW getting people to work on their CSS front end for their FIRST MILESTONE. The original team including me would've had a working database + many if not all front-end elements complete by February and a working product out for testing by March. But NOPE. Five mother fucking months.
Wan lied about his skills with NodeJS, dismissed our legitimate concerns regarding the use of NodeJS (difficult to expand, ASync support is useless on a website like FA that has a purely linear structure etc.) and lied about his past works experience: he said he worked on PHP at British Airways - which is Bollocks because I worked at British Airways and they've been using Java since 1997.
So I had a front end, Myr had a Database Schema, but because we didn't agree with Wan (and he was just straight up nasty to us and tried to use his PopFur status to push us around) Myr left and I got the boot.
I went on a huge tangent there, but my point is that for some reason popular gravitates towards popular and pretends that decent developers of ANYTHING have to also be popular or they aren't actually any good, which in most cases is a complete crock of shit.
Just because I love to plug this one I've found, you should try Discourse if you haven't seen it: http://www.discourse.org/
Not that you need any outside help with that. *snort*
Yeah, I don't hold out hope for Phoenix, for a number of reasons I can't specify as the management doesn't believe in free speech, and think all popufurs are utterly beyond all reproach, while simultaneously hanging lesser people out to dry for the tiniest of transgressions.
Then again, what management, from websites to countries, doesn't operate like that?
SoFurry is a porn site desperately trying to dress itself up as more, while failing miserably to hide its oversized erection. It's also been even longer since the last update on their latest revamp - nary a peep since December.
Weasyl is a rudderless ship cast adrift in the Sea of Endless Beta, seemingly doomed never to reach the shore of anywhere relevant, useful or interesting.
Inkbunny's a well-made site hamstrung by the stigma of cubporn, and inexplicably disinterested in doing even the smallest thing about that; it'll therefore never fulfill its potential or be any kind of a serous rival.
Then again, none of them have ever, to my knowledge, employed a suspected sexual predator and rapist to reboot their site, then, rather than admit that just maybe he's a poor choice whose very reputation makes him far more of a liability than a benefit and remove him, stubbornly persist with him while insisting the thousands of people objecting are all deluded and misguided. That's a special level of arrogance and cowardice, right there, putting your pride way, way, way ahead of the safety of site users. I mean, Dragoneer stated in the January journal that Zaush wouldn't have access to the database, yet in this very journal Neer also states that Phoenix is a ground-up recode, which I sincerely doubt could be achieved without access to the database; therefore, if he is a predator, you've basically given him free, unlimited access to a small city's worth of people.
Yet still you persist in trying to brush all this under the carpet with half-truths, obfuscation and evasion. You actually manage the impressive trick of making the current British government look transparent, open and even-handed. To be completely fair, though, it's not entirely your fault - when the unpleasant, disquieting likes of Zaush, Wolfy-Nail and Jay Naylor are the most popular members of your community, that suggests deeper and wider things wrong than just bad management of one site.
Have my e-babies!
Useless comment of the year, by yours truly.
but I'm kidding! (but my name really is Phoenix)
Or, perhaps that isn't so great of an idea.
Man, keep up the good work you guys. You have my complete support and faith in this project that in absolutely no way will fail when one of the developers inevitably loses all of the coding in a folder full of animal cocks.
Hey.
Hey.
I'm the one guy that actually enjoyed Duke4. The multiplayer was also the most fun I've had since Q3A.
Don't compare FA to DNF. That's not fair. At least DNF came out. It's true! Touching the DVD case right now. And y'know somethin' else? Even Duke wouldn't....
....
Nope, won't go there.
I could sit here and argue with you until probably October or so but this is more fun, honestly...
Check out this fruit hat!
http://i.imgur.com/OoqK2PV.jpg
</isfat>
I could have been your friend but I've been blocked over a fruit hat. :C
It's all fun. Check it out. Imagine I'm rolling my R's here...
Frrrrrrrrrrrrrrruit hat! http://i.imgur.com/jjat5yM.jpg
Hope your talents are being used well these days.
And you wouldn't even have to hire someone as wholy disrespectful to the community and unprofessional (to put it lightly) as Wan to do it
So, good luck.
I WAS ALREADY DOING THE DEVELOPMENT WORK FOR THIS FUCKING PROJECT AND ACTUALLY HAD SOME FUCKING CSS AND LAYOUT ALREADY DONE, YOU FIRE ME BECAUSE "GOOD MANAGEMENT" AND THEN GO LOOKING FOR OTHER CSS DESIGNERS MONTHS LATER!?
JUST.
I'M DONE WITH YOU PEOPLE.
This is already on Tumblr.
But, don't worry about it. You're sitting on ad revenue, hiring your friends and popular furs because you can, and asking for free help when they can't get shit done. Totally under control.
...But this is just insane. What a complete waste of everyone's time and your effort. It's depressing, and I'm sorry this happened to you.
What a stupid thing to do.
You were working on a full recode of the site... with zero involvement with anyone FROM the site. You couldn't even be bothered to work or communicate with me. So yes, we moved on. You asked for permission and I granted it, and I never heard back. Then suddenly it's my fault that you were moving on a project you never bothered to involve anyone with?
Tell me, dude. Is that how you honestly remember it all going down or are you hoping no one else remembers what happened so you can lie to them?
This is the internet, my friend. You can't bullshit people when everything that went down has been preserved. Ben and Myr built you guys a modern site and then you brought on Wan, who acted like a diva and insisted you get rid of them. They could have had the whole damn thing finished for you by St Paddy's day, but now it's after Memorial Day and you're putting up a journal putting up a casting call.
Riddle me this: even if what you say is true, why wouldn't you go reach out to him now? He already fucking did it, why not utilize what is basically ready to go? No behind the scenes drama indeed.
I look forward to your update next summer when you're on Reddit begging for help with the database. Then Christmas of 2017 when you proudly show a mockup in Adobe of what it'll totally look like.
Pure exaggeration. Ben had an HTML mockup and Myr had a schema. They were in the very preliminary stages of coming up with something.
>why wouldn't you go reach out to him now
That will never, ever happen
I actually had a working mobile interface template that was ready to accept back-end code. As far as mobile was concerned, the "View" of MVC was done, and the actual design of the main website was receiving feedback from the forums and I was changing as I go. Documentation was also being written and compiled at a feverish pace.
They were in the very preliminary stages of coming up with something.
We were actually just about to stress test a working database. Myr and I both have Enterprise server hardware at our disposals of varying configurations - his running Linux and mine running Microsoft Windows, and we were ready to pull the schema apart bit by bit. We also had a full timeline setup.
This was far from "we did some stuff in an hour".
That will never, ever happen
Nor will I ever want to join the team again.
And how can I throw somebody off a team I didn't even know was working on a project because they never contacted me?
Didnt they contact you before hand, then you forgot about them cause I'm pretty sure your post on the forums show that you did forget about them due to that they (even admitted) failed to keep contact with you due to certain events getting in the way? To which you tried to merge the two groups together?
"Can we try to recode the site?"
"Yes."
And I never heard heard back from them again.
are you seriously going to keep doing that
not only are there notes that were screenshotted by ben himself and put on his tumblr to show his attempts at contacting you (which, if you honestly didn't receive them despite there being various RE:'s in the titles... it's your faulty system that deletes notes) but YOU should've taken responsibility to check back on him when he and myr were working with zaush, presumably under your orders.
it was BOTH OF YOUR FAULTS. and ben has admitted he made a mistake by not contacting you, but you are NOT doing anyone favors by blatantly lying when you admitted somewhere on the forums that you SIMPLY. FORGOT ABOUT THEM.
Second, I never worked with Zaush. I chatted with him about his vision for the project. I did not subscribe to that vision so I did not continue.
Third, there was a communication break down. I didn't stay in touch. Things were not officially endorsed. Nobody checked up on what had been done. I'm not seeing how that constitutes a lie. If anything is to be blamed it would be that there are so many methods of getting on contact and everyone has their preferred methods. There was minimal overlap. Easy communications issue.
Finally, I don't have a Tumblr so you must mean Ben. I never posted chats. I will not post chats. The goal is to make FA better. Like it or not, it is infinitely more usable than Weasyl.
i will make sure to not bring your name up again tho uwu
[citation needed]
The evidence is out there. You're really not fooling anyone here.
Your contradicting yourself....
That's...low.
And it seems like a good working one too...
You never communicated with us. Myr (albeit not very frequently) tried to contact you when I was working with him, too, and that went ignored.
[quote]You were working completely independent of the site
Except I was working with the person to whom you gave permission for redevelopment.
but this was not one of them.
Ohhhhh yes it was.
You were working on a full recode of the site
Exactly. FOR FREE. You should've embraced our small rag-tag trio with open arms.
with zero involvement with anyone FROM the site
Except, again, from the person to whom you gave permission to redevelop the website.
You couldn't even be bothered to work or communicate with me.
I would've happily worked with you and even attempted to work with you. The notes are still in my inbox. You also did not communicate with US. You just assumed Myr had, I don't know, died or something and just went and hired Zaush out of thin air without first checking to see if Myr was still going forward.
a project you never bothered to involve anyone with?
Except, again, the person to whom you gave permission to redevelop the website.
This is a two way street.
My team should've communicated more, and you should've kept better tabs on what was going on. Easy, simple, done, dusted. Its business management 101.
Do not delete my comments, Dragoneer. If you truly think that you were correct, leave them wide open.
Your team didn't communicate at all. Not more. AT ALL. All I have is a single not asking permission. And while I respect Myr, nobody ever told me who was involved, what was happening, any planning.
Months went by. Then suddenly, oh, there's a design team I don't know about and it makes me look like a fool. Yet I did nothing wrong. I gave permission, and you never even responded to my note after that. Not "Hey, thanks, what do we need to do to make this work?". Nothing. Period.
And I have never deleted your comments.
And how can I embrace a team of people who I don't know even exist because you can't be bothered to tell me? Not just permission, but oh, hey, we're adding people, we're building a team! I'd have GLADLY worked with you if I'd even known there was anything going on.
But instead? Nothing.
So, yeah, I wanted to recode FA and assemble a team. I've been wanting that forever. So, not hearing anything, I found people, and started assembling a team. A team that communicates with me.
So instead of trying to check up on the person whom you initially signed off, you just went and got more people. Lets not forget that when I, personally, got in touch with you, we had a knowledge base (that I actually gave you a password and username for), a test server, a Database Schema and a working mobile + desktop front-end mockup in HTML5 and CSS3.
You forgot, Dragoneer.
Plain and simple.
We should've contacted more, I have said this over and over and over. I know where the shit hit the fan and I know exactly where my side went wrong. Both sides are too blame. I'm not trying to lump all the blame on to you, and you shouldn't be lumping the blame onto me and Myr. Simple.
I'm done.
Last post I will make on this journal.
Goodbye.
If I was in your position, I would've snapped up what was done instantly and integrated it into Pheonix. This first milestone you posted about in this journal would've been reached back in February, possibly even the end of January at the rate I was going with the front-end. I had a darn mobile interface, 'Neer! One that actually had real user feedback from the forums!
But. Ugh.
I'm tired. I'm actually at work on Nightshift and I've got 800 enterprise servers to look after.
Good luck with Pheonix.
https://31.media.tumblr.com/9f889bc.....FAJ1rgf79x.gif
"These folks are doing something of interest, perhaps I should check up on it!"
I can't imagine that all of the other notes and such are as paramount as dragging this site into the modern era.
maybe that's 90% of what being "in charge" means
And this was before Zaush was even publicly announced.
i can't blame him, his time is better spent elsewhere
Why can't Dragoneer?
this whole thing further convinces me this site remains the sinking ship people perceive it to be
So much drama and ego up the wazoo!
This site is a sinking ship and has been for years. I'm sitting by and waiting for that to happen.
*Ahem* And what about the saying... "the captain goes down with the ship"?...
Adam is that hole in the ship and Dragoneer refused to fix the problem.
Now look at what's happened...
honestly ben could've been a great asset to fa
but of course neer had to pick zaush over him because favoritism!!
I damn-freaking agree with you! :( Ben would have had most of this DONE by now. Like I said, it's a damn shame but hey! What can we do about it? We're just the users; the majority of the site. Our voices are nothing around here against the popfurs and staff. :/ Hell, half the site LEFT when Adam was put on the project. That has to say something......... like come on!
woe is the fate of fa!
More like Dragoneer needs to step down and give the ownership of the site to someone who's actually competent and not a pathological liar who hires unqualified popufurs for the site.
So see it all works out why you were totally dumped off
Yeah. Good job, dipshits.
As a leader(I guess), you and several others need to learn some humility.
Oh please. The insults are well deserved.
I don't have a portfolio I'm willing to share here, but maybe I can come up with something.
Or is there some hidden drama as to why you don't? I bet it's hidden drama. It's always hidden drama.
WHAT A LOVELY IDEA!
I have no desire to go back.
The only reason I would come back is if:
1) I got a legally binding contract;
2) I got free reign over my work and an actual hand in the hiring process for new team members if they were required, and;
3) An actual web developers wage. The average web developers wage for Q1 2014 based on current stats is around £37,500/$60,000 per annum.
This wont happen because:
1) Anything legal would scare the living bajeezus out of the staff on this website;
2) The management is so poor I can imagine they'd hire someone else to "co-develop" with me out of the blue, and;
3) This website is flat broke. If I can't afford to import Chevy Camaro in cash at the end of the year, then I aint working for them.
This isn't one of those "It's everybody's site! :3" that you put on the fridge because it was a good try. It's kind of a professional thing.
These guys would rather torpedo the entire website than admit fucking up.
Of course, they'll never admit that.
I really don't know why furries feel the need to announce everything everywhere. It's like they don't have a filter. Dragoneer isn't the only one who comes to mind; Furcadia/DEP (lol) is another furry company that has shitty abusive admins that really just need to shut up and separate their personal lives from their business ones.
So how are you all doing XD today~
So can someone please work on it for free, so we can start yet again after destroying all the work put into this .3. thanx"
Seriously, WTF is with this "smooth, borderless, zero contrast" design that everyone seems obsessed with now? I like the current FA design and layout because it is so very accessible. (Plus, unlike so many more modern Web 2.0 pieces of junk, the browser zoom function works.)
You make the style sheet, go to the html page, call the style sheet, and for each div you assign it a class or id for its size / font / whatever. The hard part, IMO and from what I've seen, is linking that all with the database code, java or php, but if you're secretly looking for that, your team isn't as talented as you thought. I'm pretty sure that CSS / HTML is basic stuff web designers are supposed to know...
I'm aware the coding is different - however it seems odd that they don't know how to do a basic style sheet. It's not that complicated, but the question I presented was never answered by Dragoneer, so I'll ask you.
"If they know how to do it then why are they having issues building the templates? Are you saying that they won't do it, don't want to do it, or did some of it and want someone else to do it for them?" Though looking at his tweets, it sounds like he's trying to find someone who knows how to make the website switch to 'mobile' mode when you're viewing the site on a mobile device, which...doesn't really use CSS / HTML and a simple google search shows it uses PHP / JSP / ASP.net which should be something the team is capable of doing, because that's not the front-end, that's the back-end.
And it does seem quite odd months later it's only now they realize 'omg we have no visuals for the site and no one capable to do them!' Did you guys forget about that?
Actually modern responsive design fundamentals encourage designers and developers to make sure their content works on all (or at least, most) devices through the use of responsive stylesheets. Google has some good articles on that over on their developer page: https://developers.google.com/products/
I'm not saying this project has been handled perfectly, I ended up leaving due to differences in the direction it was going. But it's still important not to jump to too many conclusions about what's wrong without knowing the story behind things.
Never said that the mobile site wasn't necessary. I don't think you understood what I said. I'll clarify. I said Dragoneer was looking for someone to make a script of sorts for the website to say 'hey, this is being viewed on a mobile device so I will switch to the mobile site automatically'. That is why I said it doesn't require html / css, that's going to require the backend programming, and why I was saying I hope that's not what he means by looking for a css / html wizard. Because That's not a design issue. That's something else that needs to be done on the back end. Does that make sense? I have site A and site B, and I want site A to redirect automatically to site B IF site is being viewed on a mobile device.
And I, among hundreds of other users, would love to know the story behind things! We'll never hear it though, and if we did, it'd incite drama about who was right and who was wrong and 'I'm the owner of the site and what I say goes no matter what!'
And what I was saying is that, ideally, your application should respond with a responsive html/css design, not use backend scripts. That's the current best practice. Design for mobile first, build onto that when making a full desktop application.
I'm not defending FA or Zaush. Again, I don't like a lot of ways the project has been handled. That's a big part of why I left. But it's still important to be accurate in complaints. :P
Products, not promises.
I know sysadmin people who understand CSS/HTML, but hot damn are their designs terrible with zero consideration of UI/UX.
I know designers who can set up a basic database, but wow is that shit disorganized, not scalable and slow-loading.
So if there's a snowball's chance in hell of this project even kinda doing sorta mildly okay-ish, then they should have a specialized front-end person as well as specialized back-end people.
Otherwise, when this started, it never really sounded like it had designated people (other than Zaush) for specific tasks. I've tried to keep up-to-date with it all, so maybe I missed something, but seeing as how this place operates I do not think it's within their nature to do something that makes sense..
great idea..
if.. only.. there was someone working on this prior that you completely forgot about
are you serious
geeezzz- the energy reading all the comments :< Its very embarrassing on FA's part :/
but i cant code. Blame math.
Five months and no front-end UI.
You had a UI for free and multi-platform before zaush happened. But this is just talking to a wall.
This incompetence is just impossible for me to understand.
The project itself is essentially B.S., the people whom are doing this aren't even making any logical headway.
Or, in the case of those who are making progress, it's too fast for the others to keep up so they're let go.
The biggest issue here is the horrendous management which seems to have no skill whatsoever at handling a team to get this done.
Honestly, You'd be better of putting your time into a minecraft server: Yeah, the stuff you do there is totally useless, but at least you'll get progress out of it more than this team does.
Not Mindless Self Indulgence however. They're a music band.
My friend for example: He thought he could shoot a lid that's been freshly cut off a can of beans into a tree using a slingshot.
Well, he succeeded. But not before gashing open the space between his thumb and index finger down to the bone.
Turns out that never happened. And that was a project set prior to that for quite some time
Now you've got Phoenix: Named after a bird of death and rebirth.
Only problem is the bird never hatched; It was a dud from the get-go.
What's next? Seriously, I'd make the statement of your success being as horrendous as the Wii-U, but even THAT console is still making progress.
That will garner everyone's attention and make them forget about the absolute failure that this and your prior attempts have been.
Look, I'm not saying it's not possible for you guys to succeed; I'm just saying you wouldn't know how to organize a team, set criteria, or make progress if your life depended on it with your current knowledge of what to do, and how to get it done.
Also think my favorite quote applies here. "To ASSUME means you always make an ASS out of U and ME." I think the community has enough "would be/could be" already. Was there even someone who was in charge of wrangling everyone literally? Seems the answer was no?
Also the fact people are going apeshit over Mario Kart 8 says even if they were behind, we've pretty much hit the end of that road.
Then you can keep your opinion to yourself; I don't want to hear it.
Wii U Sales! Wii U sales, EVERYWHERE!
Would make me feel like I were shouting at myself.
lol
I was just talking about how silly it might look with the way someone would probably go about implementing a feature like that. ^^
I'd like something a little more like DeviantArt's page comments system (e.g. an expandable "comment replies" section).
I remember there was a full team. So either they quit or they were fired...which is it?
Hahaha GG furaffinity 10/10 would laugh again
I know so many great web designers and developers that would do such a great job on this without anyone having to spread drama about the entire project. It would be so much easier and if they don't do their job correctly, they don't get paid.
Personally I just think this whole update is a shout out to get some poor sap fooled into working for half-wages because its something they might want as an individual.
Its like expecting bees to make good honey without any flowers around and you continue to take away any lasting bit of honey they make and replace it with something false.
With my own business I've already discovered this fact. I can't do it myself and neither can my current team so I look elsewhere.
It's basically Dragoneer making the ultimate "DO YOU TAEK REQUESTS?!?11!?!" comment to a high-tier artist.
If you use chrome, this is actually pretty dang nice. It notifies you of whatever you want (you can turn submissions/journals/favorites off if you get a lot of those) on top of all of your windows and provides a link directly to said notification.
So though I doubt we'll ever get something official, at least there's this neat unaffiliated plug in :D
So, no Chrome :/
But no really-- How sad is that that someone and to go and make an app just so FA will do simple tasks?
not taking a side either way but heres to hoping you can find some people or hire others to get it done
Anywhere.
I really wish people would drop this.
But when has the staff here -ever- thought of what the users cared about. :l
Good job putting that nicely.
(ps; oh yeahh, leaving the site for that reason automatically makes those people into raging tumblr feminazis. also your comment is literally rape and is triggering me so please check your privilege)
Compared to say Wolfie Nail (spelling may be wrong, don't waste comment space correcting, person is so famous we all know who I mean)
I also have to say this:
I don't want a slow JS driven nightmare version of FA! I hate how websites now load loading animations to show me while they fetch content! It's slow and ... I like FA because it doesn't do this. A bit of polish would be nice, but there's no need to go mad!
I'd much rather they add stuff like folders (grouping submissions) and maybe a way to associate an image commissioned with both the commissioner and the person who actually drew it...
A search system that works....
Question though, are you looking for people who can do just the layout/CSS or do you also want people who can build the HTML to run that CSS on?
it only took 5 months to realize Wan can't do shit and they need to hire MOAR PEEPUL
At least it didn't take another 5 YEARS I guess?
tl;dr FA will never update the end
unfortunately my layout work is all dead and gone on old forums and older coding.
Like, I don't honestly know how stupid???????????? you think the majority of people on this site are, but with every new site announcement I see less asspats and more cynics, and the only one that's made them is you and your empty promises. Year after year.
You can't sit high stop king shit mountain forever.
it's glorious
Also sweet that your planning to update the site. That's great goodluck on achieving that goal.
If you can actually make a decent website, don't work for free and don't work for 'exposure'-- especially from FurAffinity.
If you're an experienced frontend developer, much likely the person is going to be working for 80-200/hr, not helping Furaffinity. All they're going to get here is scraps from the bottom of the barrel.
Stuff I Can Do:
HTML5, CSS3, PHP, JavaScript and JQuery, AJAX, cURL, Java and Android SDK, MYSQL.
Some of my works:
About a year ago, I took over as project manager at my place of employment. Have spent the last 6 months, rebuilding their flagship website (unijobs.com, unijobs.ca, unijobs.co.uk, and a handful of others) which included building a custom MVC framework, with PHP and MySQL, which handles all 40 websites on a single server (I wouldn't call it revolutionary, but it solved a problem and gets the job done; I'd be happy to chat with you and talk more about it, if you are interested). The sites boast between 250K - 500K job impressions per week. Another part of the project is to attempt to modernize the site (a good example are the University Profiles http://www.unijobs.com/profiles/3L3.....+of+Technology ) although it's a slow process as my employer is afraid of drastic changes, however as I implemented the changes he acts as though he's discovered the next big thing since sliced bread. I'd be happy to chat more in depth about the project and even show you some of the administration side of things (or as much as I'm allowed to show anyway).
The project also included a complete rebuild of the MySQL database from scratch. The newly rebuilt database not only handles the multiple websites, but also various languages (currently our sites are viewable in English, German, French, Chinese and Japanese, I wasn't responsible for doing the translations just building the system to effectively handle them). Although the websites are not responsive in design (this was a decision made by my employer), the framework does display a different layout for mobile phones but is accessed via the same URL (no m. or mobile. subdomains), this gave our users a better experience when sharing links.
Apart from the major rebuild project, I manager a very small team of developers and maintain the company's other websites including AgedCare.com.au, Jobs4Nurses.com.au and GovJobs.com.au.
I was originally hired solely as the company's Android developer, but got moved into the web-dev team.
I'm a 'heads down, ass up' kind of guy (in a work sense, nothing dirty here xp) who likes to achieve milestones and be proud of what I build. I enjoy nothing more than building a project (and hopefully wowing a few people) and then finding ways of making it better (even in the little important things that will usually go unnoticed but get used quite often).
So um, yeah. Feel free to drop me a note. <(^.^)>
Also, who wants to bet that they'll never live up to their promise?
If I remember correctly it even had preview images.
Then... Never happened and kind of just got swept into oblivion?
I mean, if you can find someone to help and get it going great, but its all starting to feel like a lot of empty promises.
I think their has bee something like two attempted projects since I joined in late 2010.
I recall one, but probably just stopped reading announcements by the second one. I've been around since 09, and well frankly 09-14 with little to no change and multiple cases of we-going-to-do-this-but-then-dont is making me pretty apt to thinking pheonix isn't going to happen either
It doesn't even take that long to get the basics of CSS right, out of the amount of time you're going to waste just responding to the inevitable bullshit you could've just googled an online course or ordered a book from amazon to start off, and be half way there already. You don't even have the best staff retention rate that I'm surprised the option of getting more people involved is still an option.
On the side I create css styles through stylish by request http://userstyles.org/users/233672 and currently building two games(one is my own, other i joined a small team to work with)
anyways it would be cool if i could help (preferably with others on it)
note me if you have questions
I wish they would stop talking about the dramatic change and just DO IT.
With every single announcement comes the drama of people being reasonably skeptical and FA trying to do some PR work and calm everyone down and attempt to explain everything followed by no action ONCE AGAIN.
Needless to say-- if FA ever and I mean EVER overhauled anything and every single staff change or action didn't immediately spark controversy and reasonable eyebrow raises, I'm sure every last one of us would shit our selves.
I've been on this site since mid-2009 and I wasn't even that active until like 2010 but I've already seen so many empty promises and site crashes and compromises to make me sick of this site.
This is a furry art community. All I should do is have to come on-- upload art, make a few comments, sell some commissions, occasionally buy some and so on and so forth. It should NOT be this complicated to hold things together. I shouldn't have to have multiple backups and and ways to contact my commissioners and people on the site just because I don't know the next time FA is going to have a stroke and be down for almost two weeks. Imagine of gmail or yahoo mail for example was that unstable?
Ugh. Just ugh.
Either fix the site or don't, but don't keep tagging the community along to make it look like you're about to get up and do something great when you know you're just gonna roll over and occasionally spark some more drama as a result.
I would say for the Administrators to just stick with going through all those trouble tickets but they don't even do that so this supposed new thing that's been coming for how long is never going to happen. This Phoenix Project sounds more like Slenderman.
Fuck no he isn't good at coding. Literally everyone he's ever worked with has come forward and said the guy was a total liability and wasted everyone's time. In a specific quote from a similar project that I may be paraphrasing, "his code made no sense", and he was a pain to work and socialize with overall.
At this point the rapist thing isn't even what bugs me, (I mean it does but I really don't want to have to the trouble of finding/linking the evidence again) it's the fact that they decided the best course of action was to hire a highly controversial dickwad that pretty much killed FA for like two weeks because of people arguing about him left and right, and for fucking what? The guy can't code; he can't do goddamn anything. This journal is a perfect example of this.
This is why I have no faith in this project or in the future of this site. The FA dev team completely disregards any and all logic to carry out entirely mind-boggling bullshit time and time again. Like, usually when someone does something stupid, they at least have a reason. A stupid reason, sure, but they thought it out at least. Fucking FA does not. You could run logic over with a goddamn monster truck, throw it out of a plane, put it up for execution in front of a firing squad, splice every last one of its genes and toss it into a toxic waste dump and you still could not even hope to destroy, mangle and mutate it in the same horrendously stupid fucking way that the FA does whenever they open their mouths. It's like every time I click on one of these journals I'm stepping into fucking Bizarro World where all sense immediately takes a big ol' glass of potassium cyanide and konks itself out. It's pure, ludicrous ridiculousness.
Sorry to go on a bit of a rant in replying to your comment, but you provided a perfect frame in which to post what had been on my mind. Hope it helped a little at least.
Oh there's no need to bother gathering up all that "proof". I've seen all the screen caps of people saying "Oh, he's a rapist even though we don't have him on video, police reports, dated text messages, rape kits." Just like the original leaked note that sparked all of this. How does an accusation (or hearsay) prove someone is an offender? It's gullible to believe whatever a person says because as outsiders we really don't know for sure if it happened or not. Even with an accusation (if I were part of the Staff) I wouldn't have brought him on because it would make the rest of FA look bad. The only reason why I can say Dragoneer "hired" him is because their buddies just like how Dragoneer hired his wife ( from what I understand about that ).
Ah, I knew you were actually agreeing with me (at least on this whole "FA's getting site update u gais") so it's okay to be in rant mode about this. :)
Also I wasn't exactly trying to agree with you, just kind of trying to shed some lights on what you had said earlier. (Mainly the thing about Zuash and his coding/leadership abilities) But I do definitely agree with you about how absolutely nothing will be done about this site and how Project Phoenix may as well be the average Kickstarter project at this point.
Ah, that's cool and thanks for sharing the info. :)
And it's fine to not know and not want to draw conclusions because of that, just giving my perspective.
That's cool and yea.
Worst PR move FA could have ever made. Truly truly unfortunate.
PR?
Oh my god, I have to use that someday! That made me smile.
All I can think is this is just a merry go round while beating a dead horse.. :/
More importantly, when can we get some actual progress? A beta site? A VIDEO of the proposed program/code?
No one sensible is fazed by this anymore. We want results, not promises, Bill Gates.
Posting a journal stating some kind of "progress" is being made (in this case, wanting to hire people), expect people to reply with drama hoping that in the end everyone will end up forgetting the whole thing, effectively starting the whole thing over and over again.
...while nothing's being done at all.
We've already seen this kind of journal over and over years ago, and it has always ended up the same way.
I remember when thumbnails were actually useful, and now they're pretty much pointless.
Of course, by "mass exodus", I mean all of like 5 people--- none of which whom actually matter.
Also, you're telling us that you have written a whole rant on how you can't have kiddy porn???
Please, get off of this website.
Are you done yet? No? 'Cause I'm done. Now fuck off.
If you are a pedophile, please, definitely, just stay away from minors. In no way did he tell you to kill yourself. I bet he doesn't want anyone to kill themself.
However, the problem with kiddy porn, even if you don't like it, perpetuates rape culture, and if it were to be kept normalized, it would lead to more victims of sexual abuse. EVERYONE should have a problem with pedophilia, it is gross. It only leads to more victims of merciless crime. This means you are pretty gross for even being okay with it. From what I'm understanding from what you've said, I can only think that you are okay with someone exploiting the youth for the sake of a sick and twisted fetish. The fact that you're okay with it makes me uncomfortable, as a minor.
None of what I'm saying has no malicious intent, I'm just calling you out and spilling the truth.
Everyone should have the right to decide what happens with their body, and that includes sexually.
Yeah, pedophilia is fucking horrible. I'm not a fucking pedo, and quite frankly, how can I be when I don't have any sexual attraction to any member of the human race. It's a fucking picture of a fucking animal, the worst I can do is drool over it because my sense of logic tells me that fucking anything young or growing fur will get me thrown in federal prison without second notice.
I may be DENSE, but I'm not THAT much of a fucking dumbass.
For a fandom that supports tolerance of others and acceptance of other peoples' likes and dislikes, considering you came from motherfucking DEVIANTART, of all places... You have shown me that your fandom is the biggest group of intolerant, intolerable jackasses I have ever seen. Your fandom is more full of jackasses than the damn brony fandom, and that says something.
"do you expect them to abide by real-world standards when half of them are struggling with what they deal with on a daily basis and just want to get away from their daily life anyway?" Yes, I do. If someones form of escapism involves masturbating to images of explicitly minors. they need some major help.
I am really tolerant of most things, and I believe that kink shaming is bad. HOWEVER, when this lies within the realms of pedophilia and non-con, that is where I cross my line.
Also, how do you know whether or not I came from Deviant Art? Are you stalking me?
MAJOR ONLINE DEBATING TIP: Don't use sarcasm. It makes your argument less professional, and it is hard to follow when in the form of written language.
And how is NOT CARING the same as SUPPORTING? I'm sorry, but SILENCE does not equal fucking CONSENT- Oh, but you should know this, since you're so damn against rape culture, which is is no way related to what I have a preference for.
Oh, and on the subject of rape, you seem to see A FUCKING LOT of that here on FurAffinity, you know, and that's not banned. Or maybe even bestiality, and that's not banned. You see things like mutilation, gore, blood; piss, piss drinking, and piss enemas; and soiling, scat, and hell, even...scat...eating... Nyeck. Pretty sure besiality is illegal and rape is frowned upon, now isn't it?
OH, which reminds me, by the logic presented to me, everyone who likes ferals must be into bestiality, because FERAL FUCKING ANIMALS, QUITE LITERALLY.
And no, I'm not stalking you, and I didn't even know you were from DeviantArt. All I did was look at the previous journals from FurAffinity and various other users, many of which stated that they had to migrate from DeviantArt because people were giving them bullshit over there.
And no, for the last goddamn time, I'm not a fucking pedo. I don't go after people younger than me IRL, because that is FUCKING STUPID. Do you fucking understand this?
And guys, come on, this is getting ridiculous. I've blocked you multiple times, and I'm gonna flat out say that I'm done with the conversation, now will you just put your drama popcorn down and enjoy your damn porn already?
Good day.
"the worst I can do is drool over it"
even though you said you do not have pedophilic interests, you stated that you do?
Then again, this is the same staff that completely ignored me when my account was one of many targeted in Decembergate. They had time to fight with others and defend what was leaked in the notes, but no one had the time to tell me what was going to happen to my account since it had been compromised in the attack and thus banned by staff. I was locked out for days, and I watched Dragoneer himself fight with people for days while I desperately asked what was going to happen to my account. It wasn't until a completely random staff member got to me and unlocked it, but I never heard a peep from FA officially as per an apology to this day for my account being compromised. Sure, my notes may not have been leaked like others, but this site is my business and that's three days not taking commissions and delivering them.
You must really like the taste of ass.
I bet that makes love-making far more interesting.
One day senpai will notice u.
Oh golly you're way too offensive for me, friend.
Go get some fresh air and think this whole thing through, please.
I didn't say "5 people" to be serious, it was an understatement for effect.
However many people you were talking about it, the statement couldn't be anymore explicit.
I state that "5" (quoted to express that this number is an understatement) people don't matter, and you extend that to me saying all of FA doesn't matter? That would be like if I said Lebron James sucks and you extended that to me saying the entire Miami Heat sucks.
Man, really pulling at straws here aren't you?
"However many people you were talking about"
100% of the userbase matters 100% of the time to a website.
"You also made it sound like userbase shouldn't matter..."
--campion1
If you're going to quote yourself, please do a good job of it.
On that note, you're attempting to put words into my mouth (and thank god that's all you're trying to put in there) that I never actually stated. All your "points" have simply been misreading or purposefully misconstruing what I said. Never once did I say that the "userbase doesn't matter" and every time I have asked you to quote me you've taken whatever I've said and attempted to turn it into an "explicit" statement. By the way, if you didn't know- and I highly expect you don't- explicit means that I actually stated it (feel free to read the dictionary).
And hey - I don't need advice on the definition of a word by someone who misused "strawman." You're kind of unpleasant to talk to, so I'd rather not continue this conversation! I expect more condescension, too.
You are assuming that the "5 people" I stated represent the "userbase". Again, where I did I say that? Why can't you actually quote me saying that those "5 people" represent the userbase? Your entire argument, which by is the way shoddily written, is based on assumptions that have no backbone whatsoever. You're more than welcome to not "continue the conversation," but as far as I'm concerned, this "argument" was pretty much worthless, as you apparently have no ability to actually make a coherent argument in the least.
False.
100% of the user base that generates traffic, revenue and/or sexual favors matters n% of the time to a website. Where n = the percentage of time revenue, sexual favors and/or traffic are required for the website to sustain itself.
I didn't use enough logical fallacies.
I'm not really trying to present you with an argument either way. You're just kind of sitting here, suckin' up and I'm sitting here laughing at you. And then you, y'know give me more to laugh at and it's all good.
ur assmad is showing tho
Also I'm preeeeeeeeeeeeettttyyyy fucking sure that on a site like FA, the user base SHOULD matter.
Lol, right. And I'm the one who is "assmad." I should be thanking you for making me laugh.
Anyways, if I actually had called out your fallacy you would've simply ignored it and pretended that you were (or are) a successful troll, which you're really not, to be quite honest. As well, you would've just simply stated something along the lines of "lul ur assmad" or "shh its okay" without actually, you know, saying anything important.
On that, who exactly am I "suckin' up" to?
There's nothing important I can tell someone who clearly has his head up the ass of the administration and enjoys the taste of their rectum. Sorry? From the other 'argument' here you're obviously not going to see any other points, and you're going to get your pals in on the show.
To me that just, idk, speaks levels about ur ass med.
'top lel'
On that note, between the two of us, you definitely seem far more "upset" about me "supporting the administration" (or, sniffing their ass as you put it) than I. I was simply making a joke and it definitely looks like I ruffled your feathers more than you ruffled mine.
Oh, actually, allow me to reword that for you... "Lol u assmad."
Mhm.
Well I hope you can see where that claim is going, lmao.
We've both been pretty much acting like actual six year olds in a playground fight.
But hey, at least we've gotten some entertainment out of it, huh? I'm sure others are looking on at this and thinking 'fucking furries'.
You do seem to like to throw around terms that don't really apply here, such as straw man. Really, where is my argument in the last few comments? I've mostly just been insulting you, I can admit that. I haven't presented you with any facts or anything of the like, and while I know what a straw man argument is and how this could almost come off as one, I haven't been making an argument????
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I've just been making an ass out of myself because I'm bored.
And I like to roll in drama from time to time.
I don't even remember what the first comment I made was, and I can't be assed to scroll up and read it. :3
tl;dr
BAWWW u hrt my feelnz im leafing fa 4 1 duy
Kudos, and god speed.
I mean good gods, I only knew basic HTML but managed to figure out the CSS layouts for another site well enough to alter them so that shit looked good in any browser any decent web designer should be able to do laps around CSS Layouts. The hell is the team doing? Wanking?
Just why? Its like you were going to paint a house without paint and then maybe weeks or a month later you go; "Maybe I should get paint...".
I am amazed this site is still online.
FA may be free to use, but people have been donating money towards bettering this site for YEARS. Not to mention, all the talented programmers and designers you speak of who might apply will be offering up their services for free.
Regardless of it being free or not, you're providing a service and promising features. Breaking those features and having unreasonable disruptions in that service is not okay. Should we expect it from a free site? Maybe. Does that make it okay? no.
There are plenty of other free sites that don't consistently fuck up like FA has.
Yes.
So many don't like change. I like Google+ because im a moron. Come at me bro :P
Everyone should love everything here on FA after all!!@
If indeed a working proto by ben was created why would it be scrapped?
How much actually HAS been done, and not just "a lot of progress" please.
What happened to previous estimation?
And holy cow the comments escalated quickly
Only chance it will be good is if you give them maybe ..hm.. I say at least 7 years considering the slowness and stubbornness of the people "running" the project. And by that time it will probably be outdated again.
Like I swear to god this started like ...what a year ago more or less? And apparently some work was done but naw that had to change cuz team absolutely -needed- some sexual deviant that nobody actually likes on the team. And hell I doubt it's a lie but say it was and you guys never actually fired anyone? What the fuck have you been doing in that case? Sitting on your asses eating potato chips? Like seriously I thought you were working why are you just now looking for employees (again??). It's really pathetic how slow this is going for a "team effort".
What does it even matter though I'm not here for the lovely staff.
The sites always gonna be crap anyway I'll just enjoy the company of some of the nicer people here before I somehow end up getting banned or something for saying something that offended some privileged infant.
Ok, *why* are you looking for a person this late? It appears you already had a person for this, but he either left or was "fired"... New person will not only have to be just as experienced, but deal with the previous person's existing code (a big nono in any project). I would suggest improving efforts to retain your current project staff by making the job more desirable by providing, among other essential things... a wage. If you gathered $18,000 in donation money for an enterprise server in 5 weeks, I don't see why a developer has to work on this for $0. So, I don't wonder why he left...
grog done fapping broke computer thing cumming.
That was like four hours of my time and i made the whole thing, if you have a team who knows this i really hope they are too busy to do this and that's why you need someone else. I'm sure what i made is not what you are looking for and all, as i know coders are intelligent and spend effort doing what they do, but i hope someone who finds this easy can flex their muscles and do this for you quickly.
For the people who are saying we should avoid going forward for this, know if i was confident in what i could produce, i'd do it, and i emplore you to do the same. You know, if you hate your boss, that shouldn't stop you making your workplace better for you and your colleagues. That's basically what this is. Thi k of what YOU could DO for the site if you were on the team? Even someone who was just doing a bit of code will surely get a bit of a say in how things go down. I want the site to be a better place, i don't know about you.
Let people who have coding experience and want to give this a try the ability to pitch in without everyone telling them to run for cover. They are the people who can SAVE this site.
After 5 Months?! THIS!! "We need a wizard?!" ARE YOU KIDDING?!!
WINDOWS PHONE DOESNT SUPPORT JAVA. TRY AGAIN
What planet are you on?
As for JavaSCRIPT, that's industry standard and supported on pretty-much anything that can display HTML.
what planet am I on? Not earth.
*hue hue hue disorder joke*..
Anyway, those are just my two cents. Good luck, and hopefully we'll have a newer, better functioning site sometime in the future.
move to the Netherlands, we have about 12000 jobs that need filling on all branches of IT(with or without education, 60% of the programmers here are self thought)
Hell, half the companies rather have self tought people then schooled ones, since what the school teaches is usually outdated at the end of the year
Maybe if we beat it hard enough ((huehue)) something will happen :D
Dead horse full of dead promises.
Well guys..... maybe in 2016 itll be done - hahaha
to quote some other comments:
"THIS is the promised transparency of the "new FA" and Project Phoenix?!
After 5 Months?! THIS!! "We need a wizard?!" ARE YOU KIDDING?!!"
"if.. only.. there was someone working on this prior that you completely forgot about "
Its seriously embarrassing for the FA staff- everyone makes mistakes but this is ridiculous.
Not so long as Zaush and Chase is on the team and Dragoneer is the owner of this cesspit. These three infamous stains upon the furry fandom have been proven to be incapable of not being complete fuckups. It's time that if Project Phoenix is to succeed, major changes must be done to its administration and development team. Major changes that include removing Dragoneer, Zaush and Chase entirely from having any input on the rewrite.
Get your shit together. Your complacency and inability to act professionally is fucking pathetic. CSS wizard? First milestone? What a fucking joke.
At this point you really need to hire a professional site coder to get things done. This is really not surprising anymore at all sadly.
it sounds pretty bad from what I read on the comments page. someone needs to be responsible for what they do their work on FA. they just simply can't fire someone without have their dislikes or problem with a certain person.
in my line of job, even in a team job.. everyone needs to keep their problems separate from the jobs they're working on. then after a job is finished, they can settle their problem afterwards. that's what my job is on most video game players and website designers.
just a thought.
They release fancy named expansion after fancy named expansion, each new expansion having only one purpose: to band-aid the problems that arouse from the last expansion.
Each one of them implementing features no one wanted in the first place and promising to fix issues that will never exist nor existed in the first place, not to mention removing things that made people like WoW in the first place. While at the same time ignoring and downright refusing to fix the current glaring issues that people have been complaining about for years, because "internal reasons you puny mortals could never begin to comprehend".
Every single sensible suggestion "upvoted" by the community and every single issue put to light, and the people who made them, are downplayed as a "vocal minority" and blatantly ignored.
Not to mention it's co-managed by a widely (and negatively) known entity who's name begins with 'A' (Activision) who is publicly known for being an intolerable douche who's so full of itself it's shitting mini-me's and have no knowledge about anything even remotely useful to development. But despite this, Blizzard still chooses to keep them around, and publicly trumpet their involvement whenever possible (most likely by the request of said 'A'-entity), completely ignoring the fact that it shines an immensely strong negative light upon the project as a whole.
Sound familiar?
Then promised again in Mists of Pandaria, only to be "delayed" and guaranteed to be included in a later MoP patch.
Only now do we get it, 2 expansions and several years later.
Assuming of course it won't get inexplicably "delayed" again.
Still agree FA needs to get their shit together, though.
FA says 'we'll get this done' then fires a bunch of people getting it done, hires a suspected rapist, then lets him take control. All while showing screenshots of what COULD be.
Blizzard says they'll do something and when it gets pushed back there's a legitimate reason for it, there are always progress shots and they're not completely bullshit, and they actually seem like they're doing what they say they're doing.
Doesn't look familiar at all to me.
I totally agree. I wonder if a lot of site owners all take the same business etiquette class or something. While I understand some features just can't be made (or are highly unefficient or "niche", or are just plain stupid, etc.), another site that immediately comes to mind is DeviantART, with people complaining every Site Update about severe bugs that have been there since the early/mid 2000s, or some other broken feature. Instead of fixing them or listening to their userbase, DA just churns out more and more stupid-ass bloated updates that no one wants (while ignoring those that ARE wanted) in hopes to turn their eyes away, and they never fix their previous mistakes because REASONS. And YES! It's always a "VOCAL MINORITY" or "~SOME~ PEOPLE" not liking a new feature, even if feedback is clearly LARGELY negative (they even took away upvotes and shit because oh no our negative feedback-meter is visible). They probably KNOW there isn't any other art site around that would make a true competitor to them, so they're happy being slapdash and massive dicks because lol, where else are you going to go, fool.
Really. Some businesses just get too big for their freaking breeches.
Alright, next.
If this site ever does get a major re-haul (not holding my breath; it's pure imagination at this point), can you guys do one thing? Can you switch the order of the "Older" and "Newest" buttons on the artwork's page, the ones that go backward and forward through the person's gallery? Because the way you have it now makes NO sense. Why is "Older" facing left when to look at older pictures in one's gallery, you read from left to right? "Older" should be facing right, then, and "Newest" left. That really bothers me (I know, nitpicky :/), and it's really jarring to have it that backwards-ass way when every other website has it the correct way.
just like Deviantart I assume.
I STILL have to second guess myself when scrolling through the gallery.
So glad I'm not the only one who is like "wtf is this dumb ass shit"
I'd offer to do just that, but as I unfortunately don't have any sexual harassment under my belt and don't draw hawt furry pronz, I don't think I'd qualify regardless.
I just came back to laugh for a while.
My dreams are shattered!
They're all too busy arguing over who gets to have their dick sucked, prolly
I learned a lot of HTML and Java in the program I was in in high school. There were other programs with other coding languages and such.
It already commenced.
If you want the community to be more confident in the project give us an update/progress report on the forums every month or two or three with a site wide update every six months..
A simple list of. what we are working on now, what we have completed, and what we want to do next. would help people believe in the project.
I'm well aware of github, but none of that means anything to me. something in plain English that a simpleton like me and I'm sure many other could understand.
SLAVA!
Sounds just like the staff and updates here.
Does that count
Ever tried making things compatible for Linux, Windows, Mobile apps?
I had to copy and paste a lot of things from other websites and pretend I did it >:^(
And did you ever notice they have a link below in the journal with 'FA united' ?
The irony.
Wait we don't have folders...
nevermind.
Damn!
2. CSS / HTML should be basic knowledge for the existing team - I am not a pro, but if I can figure out how to use a #header and .headerborder in my own site, your team should, too. It's NOT that difficult compared to all the other programming languages you need to know.
3. How is the site being remade from the inside out if there's no layout in place already? Maybe my lack of knowledge on that sort of code is to blame for my ignorance on that, but...how do you make a functional site, or even work on it the past 5 months with NO LAYOUT MADE?
4. Didn't you have a layout made already when you gave us that 'sneak peak' months ago in a journal? Wtf was that if not the layout made? A photoshop collage? That'd piss users off if it were just some random mockup that wasn't even going to be used in the final design.
Perhaps those seeking opportunity should look at projects with better reputation. Reputation goes far and this fA "team" sounds like something a professional or amateur should avoid engaging business with.
That sword does cut both ways though. By improving this site for yourself you also improve it for others. Others includes those you like and those you don't like. There is definite incentive for someone who makes commission income off this site to help it.
Risk vs. Gain, is the theme here. Is the gain worth their risk? I'm seeing in the comments string stories of previously failed updating projects and un-happy programmers that have been dismissed from the updating project after they themselves already donated hours of their time and skill. You don't find this alarming to any extent?
Can you hire me pls?
PS: If most of the comments on your announcements are angry/negative have you considered that there's a big fucking problem and it's probably you
When your "announcements" are consistently met with vitriol and dissent by the majority of the vocal members of the site it miiiiight be time to reevaluated how yer runnin' things.
I love you
If art holds the same weight as other jobs, then so does coding, making a template, or whatever else. Even putting it together if you have all the pieces ready! This is not just a website for someone's dog or baby, this is a HUGE COMMUNITY and it's so much more intricate. I feel you all would do so much better hiring someone, especially someone who just got their degree, than leaving it up to chance. If you really want to please the users at all, you should take their suggestions to heart.
FurAffinity Staff grasping at straws! Zaush a shitty addition to the team! Promises of Updates Cause Mass Case of Eyerolling! FurAffinity Going Down the Drain? Why is the FurAffinity Staff Page so lazily put together??? WHO'S WHO ANYMORE???
More Furry News like this, at 11.
Why did Zaush rape? Did he rape or did some get buttfucked and than cry raep. We delve into the raisn hole with this one.
and its off to Horny Fox for the weather,
"ITS RAINING CUM"
Thanks HF.
and now we go to Cooties The Coyote on fleas.
here...take this
http://thatschurch.com/wp-content/u.....n-09-Psych.gif
1. Style the site using SASS or similar CSS preprocessor. The templatizing and organization of CSS through use of SASS keeps it the code fairly DRY. This also makes it easier to come back later and not get lost in a sea of endless lines of CSS. You can also leverage the modularity of SASS to work on other sections concurrently with other people.
2. Ensure the front end developers have an understanding of the "cascading" component of the name "CSS." I'm familiar with all the unfortunate games of overriding and it's not fun to sort out.
3. Your front end guys should have a significant grasp of mobile responsive concepts. Includes use of media queries, floats, percentage based widths, padding and margins. Finer points of when padding becomes additive versus subtractive, etc.
4. Build interface elements with CSS rather than graphics whenever possible (border triangles, box shadows, etc). High volume sites like this could probably benefit from less bandwidth consumed by trivial elements.
5. Use 2x and 3x DPI assets for double and triple resolution devices which are becoming more modern parts of the modern browsing experience.
6. Comment code.
I'm employed to do this stuff and this is essentially what we look for and what we do. :V Looking forward to a new, competent interface.
Meanwhile, the sky is blue, grass is green, and bears shit in the woods
and ffs don't say "for the exposure" or "for the good of the site" because that's literally rubbish and you know it
*i say this but tbh im pretty convinced that all you guys do is sit on one thumb while ramming the other into each others' prostates so yeah
Work is work no matter what its for. Someone who has to feed themselves or build a reputable portfolio shouldn't feel inclined to sacrifice their patience, time, effort, and talent on THIS shit show. not to mention risk working along-side of less than favorable individuals that are known to be difficult to work with.
It's like visiting those in-laws you can't stand but they cook really well and have a nice pool so you suck it up and go anyways.
NOTICE No Parking
NOTICE No Trespassing
NOTICE Food and Drink Prohibited
*/
Am I doing it right?
People are done waiting.
Um.... yes?
That's just not progress, that's going backwards. And now they expect people to spend their free time working on something that might not get finished ever or will 'forget' about in the end. I understand why people do tend to make 'drama' about it. Because they don't LISTEN to the (sometimes) decent advice of others.
I dare you to.
guys just give up this site is never going to get an overhaul because people will rather hire unskilled people (because they're in the fandom/popular) than get actual people who do this stuff for a living
Not a single person here seems to have kept their head and so far it's a slagging match between popufurs, white-knights, ex team or non-team members and anyone else like me too tired to do anything but whinge.
This is another example of "look guys nothings happen why don't you all go nuts" and in typical fashion everyone is jumping on the drama bandwagon. Can we take it down a couple of notches so every single update about *anything* isn't a beat them up.
There have been accusations, there has been bullshit, Dragoneer and other ex-coders are not helping you are all supposed to be in one form or another admins and/or professionals, this has gone on way too long and it needs to be dropped. If Adam Wan isn't kicked off the team this is going to continue Dragoneer, especially if you keep this drama train up and eventually there will be more serious shots fired, especially if nothing happens. This is a lot of angry people getting angrier and it's got way beyond the point where it's ignorable.
As for this whole programmer stuff, why has a donation run not been made so you can PAY someone to work on the entire project?
You did a similar thing for the servers and this is way more important at this point.
I think at this point everyone who isn't here for the drama train *choo choo* wants this done and out of the way and would be willing to throw money under the bus.
/rant
Seriously, I hope and I guess a lot off people here just wanted them to listen and act on great ideas like this.
And because they don't, they guess that drama helps them a bit further. (What at least have them give a reaction of Neer)
I agree completely.
Why not a kick starter?
It's pretty simple and I know for fact a lot of hard working people and furries would donate.
I would at least try to donate $5.00 to it even though no one commissions me xD
Too bad xD
To be honest I'm starting to wonder if it's because they don't want to be legally responsible for not using money dedicated to a coder for the site on something else which people have kicked off about in regards to kickstarter and won there money back in the past.
And the money part. Judging at how things blew up when word got that a certain someone is involved with the project, I don't think they'll be getting as much support they could be getting without him. That is of course not considering the damages from the last project that went no where among other things.
As for a a certain team member, the accusations were that, accusation *please do not think that statement is anyway a defense* because if it was anyone else in any other job/part of the internet he would have been at the very least suspended. The simple fact their have been team members of FA ADMITTING to illegal activity and continuing as part of the team is a testament to the attitude held around here about that however and it needs to change before something serious happens.
But yes, it's ridiculous that someone hasn't kicked up more of a fuss about the legality of ANYONE taking donations towards a project that fails without reasonable explanation to produce the product.
*cough cough* http://501c3.org/blog/misappropriat.....nprofit-funds/ <--- solicited donations
So yeah, seems ridiculous there hasn't been more fuss :)
But I'm gonna leave it at that.
Nice chat :)
So you know what? I'll put my money where my mouth is. If FA actually does this. They actually hire a professional team to do this, I will donate %5 of my last two year's worth of income from this site to the project. For the sake of other artists.
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate a little corner of sanity and nice conversation in this thread.
Heil Dragoneer! Nazi FA! Seig Heil! Seig Heil!
Watch me get banned for this post, and I hope i do, so I have proof that FA Admins are Nazi's. MARTYR ME!
XD
I'll agree that sometimes the administration makes strange decisions.
Also...not funny :/
... they're snappy dressers?
none of it applies, man, let it go. nazis are a real thing that exist and the comparison isn't apt or welcome.
fascists, maybe. nazis, nah.
"He didn't get caught so why are you yelling at me" is not an adequate excuse for bad behavior. It just means both of you did something silly and he was just lucky enough not to get caught. That's all.
http://m.memegenerator.net/instance/32993794
2. Once again, we're talking about what YOU did. Not what someone else did. Someone else's wrong doing doesn't negate your own.
3. Again, I'm just stating a fact. If you didn't want people to respond negatively don't do things that will cause that negativity.
- fails to properly understand point being made.
- Automatically resorts to childish trollish insults ( "u mad" or "you butthurt")
- Posts a stupid meme in an attempt to seem witty and not at all like a childish jerk that just insulted someone when they threw out no insults back.
"High enough brain function"
"High enough brain function"
"brain function..."
Furry logic. Ironic.
Sure. Let me laugh while someone claims I'm dumb then throws a meme at me.
Holy shit you are dense. Then you put logic in quotes like my logic was the fail and yours wasn't, Now a third time?
Good. Great. Glad you're entertained by people calling you out on your stupidity while you try and go "HURR i was joking when I said you had no brain function"
And it's a discussion thread and a comment chain? What was I supposed to not respond to someone insulting me?
Another logic fail there.
First Nazi shit, now misgendering on purpose. You're just a ball of fail arent' you?
So, you're an offensive prick who resorts to childish trolling when someone of greater intelligence and logic pulls your bullshit out of the water who also happens to throw out transphobic bullshit because basic trollish insults and memes and basic bitch insults are the only thing your feeble mind can properly come up with to retort.
I feel sorry for you. Have a good one.
I hate it when people use that excuse!
Very well and simply put! Hopefully he understands now. e_e
It's also rather weird, America makes fun of tragedies in Europe, but as soon as you make one joke about 9/11 and Sandy Hooks they lose their minds. I felt under heat just explaining why we observe Volkstrauertag as a day of morning for all that died in armed conflict and from political tyranny, given for some reason makes me sound to them as if I sympathize with extremism.
I know people here in the US who get all het up at the notion of people not properly honoring veteran's day and memorial day, which are similar in concept.
I think people are more prone to defend things they're familiar with and mock that which is distant or that they don't have a connection to. So a lot of people here don't have strong ties to Europe, don't have relatives or family friends who were effected by the Holocaust, and don't take it seriously. Like, "well, that's in the past, and who cares anyway?" idk.
i'm rambling now, sorry.
There's a lot of things people just seem really oblivious about in terms of American history and world history. I was mentioning something about the end of World War I to someone on armistice day (we call it veteran's day) and they were like "what?? i didn't know that's when WWI ended!" (she didn't know what years wwi was, either ...)
He didn't.
Not at all. Poor thing.
The only thing that Dragoneer can do at this point that will a) keep him and his bffs in rank and b) appease the most users is to do a site update. Even before Dragoneer had sole ownership of Furaffinity, the site has been riddled with holes. Prior/during the site changing hands from Alkora to Dragoneer, it was hacked twice (2005 and 2007). The whole reason for the 2007 hacking was due to Dragoneer's incompetence by signing into his admin account during a furry con on *unencrypted* hotel WiFi connection. After the ownership transfer and when it became "owned by" Ferrox LLC (with Dragoneer as it's "CEO"), the site has either gone down or hacked in 2008, both July and November 2009, and the biggest one being in December of 2010 (aka Decembergate) where several members of FA (both admin and non-admin) had their notes leaked to the public. The fallout from that one incident is still felt to this day as that's where the Zaush/Adam Wan situation stemmed from.
So while I definitely agree the administration needs to be worked on, the more realistic option is to do work on the site itself. Even before Dragoneer took ownership of the site it's been full of holes and extremely vulnerable.
Nope. Never happened.
We do need a couple admins kicked to the heavens, but the site still needs an overhaul.
And careful with what you say.
http://imgur.com/gallery/jVDv8LR
Update to a new layout: People will bitch about the look of the new layout.
Bitch about this comment: You are bitching about this comment.
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Yes. Give the guy who everyone claims abuses his power to be able to get out of the stuff he was accussed of even more power. He won't use that to his advantage and do exactly what he's always done. Good job.
But no it was Adam fucking Wan who kicked a couple people out. I wouldn't be surprised if he kicked this guy out too.
Why? Why do you have to bring up things I don't want to think about?
I GOT WORK IN 30 MINUTES!!
feces my friend *waves paw over the land like mufassa* and than all of fa can belong to you someday my boy
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As lesser examples of some work I did, visit my comic and mirror site (sorry about making such plugs; these are not intentionally plugs, but just what sites I currently maintain). My main comic site **is** hosted by BlogSpot and most of the code is theirs, but I made modifications to the template's code and design. My ComicGenesis site is from scratch, using some items that ComicGenesis requires (and intended to look as close to my main site as ComicGenesis restrictions allow).
Examples of my work can be found here: https://www.freelancer.ca/u/TJK16384.html
Where do I send my resume?
Make sure everyone is actually working on it, and if they aren't, no matter what position they're in, they're fired.
Ban everybody from FurAffinity, close down the site, turn off the servers, and wait until you get Project Phoenix up.
Review your goddamn motherfucking rules and write some fucking new ones.
Launch Project Phoenix.
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Profit.
Remember years back, when you plucked the Owner title of the site from another.
Remember how bad the site was going at him.
Now look at the current situation.
It's even worse then that.
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Dragoneer, it's time to step down. At this point, the things you do, are making the site falter, instead of improving it. You've made far too many bad choices which impacted this site in terrible ways.
It is TIME, it step down.
You've already have had 2 mass exoduses from FA within the past year or two.
People have LEFT, because of the paths of your decisions.
The people who are still here, are either new, here for the show, or far too rooted here.
Don't bring down the site with you.
Don't be a Jim Rennie, and doing this ' For the good of the Town '.
Step down. Be remembered, as the person who tried, and made the right choice, not as the person who fought tooth and nail, and killed something that could still have been great.
This.
Besides, if everybody likes him so much, he'll still get all the attention he wants after he steps down. ;) Right?
HE'LL JUST BE AN EMPTY SOUL WITHOUT IT
Am sensing rise of Euromaidan type protest movement. Everyone will now start wearing helmets with anti Dragoneer slogans written on them and start randomly throwing molotov cocktails
Glory FA! Glory to Heroes! SLAVA SLAVA SLAVA!!!
If you like CS:S, try out Day of Defeat. Same engine, but World War 2.
Addicting, fun, and it's a Valve game. <3 Can't go a week without playing a few hours of it.
In DoD, you can only pick one of five classes. Each class has a role, and cannot exactly be flexible as to trying to do different roles, unless you know how to use the weapons you are handed.
Both sides have the same type of weapon in each roll, but different stats. For instance, the Assault role for the Americans has a fully automatic Sub-Machine. So does the Germans. The difference, is that the American's is more spray and pray, with a smaller magazine, and worse accuracy and recoil, while the German's is slower to fire, but has a larger magazine, and less recoil, better accuracy.
In the Sharpshooter class ( Not the Sniper, probably getting classes mixed up. ) They have a medium to long high powered rifle, with no scope. The American version has lower damage output, and very little recoil, that fires as fast as you can click, but cannot reload until the whole clip is empty. The German version is Bolt action, but has a higher damage output, but can only be shot once before you have to pull the bolt back for a few seconds.
Either side is better at certain scenarios, but both are equal on the field.
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Great fucking balls of fire, am I glad that I'm sticking in the nolstalgia trip game Valve never touches anymore. .-.
Current Steam Name: Not a Kraut
Since I pay nothing to profit off this site I'm not super concerned about updates, it's not like I pay them taxes.
People should give criticism if they're unhappy, complaining helps staff know what users are unhappy about but if your rage boner is this huge maybe consider weasyl or somewhere else.
The first hasn't even been reached due to not having coders and needing +5 months to figure this thing out.
(And I'm not even sure they really have their milestones yet)
Whether this project goes through or not, isn't a dealbreaker for me. The site is fine the way it is, I can post art and commission artists with relative ease and I like it that way. Sure, it'd be cool to see the update, and I support this for the progress that has been made so far.
No, no it doesn't. It breaks down, it crashes, it goes offline for eons at a time, the Database is inefficient, the front and back-end code is in shambles and also inefficient, the layout is no-where near standards compliant and uses vastly outdated practices.
If you do not see the problem with that, then maybe you should just stop trying to tell people it works because it REALLY doesn't.
Listening to Lusers is how you get feature creep as well, does FA really need more feature creep? As that's how it gets it, without even doing anything.
Anyway to get on the same page anyone willing to calmly and unbiasedly explain the whole situation and not spark a list of comments about who did what. As a user of this site I think it's about time I've gotten up to date with all of this. I'm interested in this layout thing but at the same time annoyed at how it's been handled and the lack of care to the community.
So anyone like to give me the history lesson? I could really do with this thanks!
Dragoneer and the original "lead" creator of Project Phoenix failed to communicate with each other, so, Zaush was put on the team (even though he can't actually do anything other than draw mediocre pr0nz), who promptly stepped on the toes of everyone - including Ben, who bailed - and Project Phoenix has been in limbo ever since.
As a result of Dragoneer's choices, the administration team dwindled to a small number, and now because of that, the FA team are grasping at straws as the website is too big, and the team too incompetent for them to keep it functional. This is also why there are trouble tickets/reports filed from years ago that still haven't been dealt with.
In short, it's a mess, and I only expect to see it implode. There is a lot more information about what the hell is going on with FA, but that's the gist of it (as far as I know anyway).
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:40564454
They got a volunteer team set up.
A Staffer who was shoved into project lead by Dragoneer, did not know at all what he was doing.
The project burned to the ground soon after.
You should know these things.
Fast forward almost 6 years after that, update still has yet to happen, and 3-4 ' Projects ' launched, that were DOA before they even started.
You can see how the userbase has become rather jaded to more promises of a shiny, updated site.
After you pull that curtain back, thee great land like Oz, known as FA, just aint the same.
You can either pretend you don't notice it, deny it, and live ignorantly, and let people fall into the same trap, or start spreading some word.
It's been six years. I'm tired of the constant flow of promises that are piling up, and the fact the staff keeps burning down progress when it does happen.
What a tweest!
Let's be frieeennnnnddddssssssss.
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If I had a nickel for every timek heard that here
I'd have my first nickel.
if zaush isn't doing the interface, and has made zero commits to the project on github
then what exactly is he doing
He's leading the project.
Unfortunately, tough to lead code when you don't know how.
Also, this sounds a lot like Aliens: Colonial Marines. Takes ages to come out, hyped up, dev team that doesn't work, looks really shiny, something we (I) want......
I bet it'll end up being crap.
Ben was one of the older coders who made a plan up with a friend of his to code a complete overdo of the FA coding system. Dragoneer gave them his blessing. (Site owner)
After this they lost contact and at a certain point, Neer hired Zaush (=Adam Wan) to make a new coding for the site. Something Ben and his team has been working on already. Neer wanted to join up the two teams to make one big team. But since their were problems in collaboration qualities between the both of them. *Zaush was not a qualified coder and lied about his portfolio
*He wanted to be the boss here and didn't have good teamwork with Ben and the others.
*Ben's work on all of this (which was already a lot!) went all down the drain.
* now they want to do a project 'Phoenix' that would give a complete makeover of the site.
They officially started 5 months ago and are now coming to the conclusion that due to dropping Ben and not having Zaush be a skilled coder, they haven't done any real progress and end out a message to the community to get coders to work for them for FREE.
They won't drop Zaush, because of his huge fandom and they seem to not listen to the community who would really like to see some progress, but is frustrated, because these 'updates' and 'make overs' have been going on for at least 5 years and have NOT given any decent results.
So the result is that the admins don't listen to the people, they prefer fandom over having decent coders. Don't even want to really pay someone AND if they would, you get a high chance of it still going all down the drain, like it did before multiple times...
Extra side info
(done by the wonderful
"Zaush's real name is Adam Wan, and yes, he is an alleged rapist. Talking about this, however, is a one-way-ticket to being temporarily suspended as it violates the community guidelines. There is evidence of him being a sexual predator however, so it's not too hard to follow up on. Just don't talk about this in public if you don't want your FA account to be banned.
Dragoneer and the original "lead" creator of Project Phoenix failed to communicate with each other, so, Zaush was put on the team (even though he can't actually do anything other than draw mediocre pr0nz), who promptly stepped on the toes of everyone - including Ben, who bailed - and Project Phoenix has been in limbo ever since.
As a result of Dragoneer's choices, the administration team dwindled to a small number, and now because of that, the FA team are grasping at straws as the website is too big, and the team too incompetent for them to keep it functional. This is also why there are trouble tickets/reports filed from years ago that still haven't been dealt with.
Also, the thumbnail size their bugs me. And folders i could care less for. Old art i eventually move to scraps / off site anyway
Which have been around for 10 or maybe more years. which have had several updates, new lay-outs etc. Promised but it never happened, isn't as stable and have random and sometimes (If not often.) Long downtimes without any kind of announcement like on Weasyl.
But past experience gives me a very pessimistic view on this.
Pretty much sums up FA.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jtknhg11o.....Screenshot.jpg
Remember that huge donation drive like a year ago?
If all that money went to a coder back then....
We could be done by now!
But no. Dragoneer, desperately clinging to his e-fame at every last cost, is willing to stay onboard his burning decrepit ship in order to wear the title of captain, even if afterwards and during the sinking everyone around him thinks of him as being naught but the terrible leader of a shitty-ass ship. And his userbase, also desperate to stay aboard the floating carcass long after it should've sunk, go down below with him, despite there being more than enough lifeboats and jackets to paddle on to better ventures. That's FurAffinity for you, and unfortunately even after the site inevitably goes down, it will still be a laughingstock for years to come.
please look into it.
If you guys can´t get the new interface done, then just forget the whole project entirely and focus fully on fixing the current interface. Simple as that(or it should be simple at least in my opinion)
Just my two cents about this whole thing.
Be funny if someone hacked FA and all you see is this guy.
Locks the whole fucker out, and forces them to put it through a new bootcycle.
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> Have jailbroken Ipad
> Have people fucking with it all the time
> Make a neat program
> Someone tries my password
> Wrong Password
> Screen goes dark
> Bluescreens, then whitescreen in the middle
> Jurassic Park ' Ah ah ah ' screen comes up, with audio.
> Forces them to hard reset my Ipad
> They try again
> Can't fault their resolve, only their results.
> Person rages, and understanding what this references, says that exact line.
And then my sides went into orbit.
I looked to see where I was before slicing the head off of one of the hellish creatures. Currently I was in some ruins of a city, this place looked like a real dump.
More and more of the creatures came as I hacked away, I felt pretty damn weak for a Grim Reaper, I thought we were invincible! Oh well, if I die, I die fighting.
One of the creatures successfully stabbed me, but I grabbed it sword and shoved it through its chest. I couldn't keep up, it was like I couldn't really fight at all.
All of a sudden they stopped, all staring at me, it freaked me the fuck out for a split second. Then a large booming roar came from the portal.
I turned to the portal as it began to expand, fiery claws and a large scaly snout slowly entering the area, "You have go to be shitting me." Was my thought about this.
Please, never change.
C'MON, BIG MONEY