Yeah, don't do that.

What'd he do? What'd he do? :P

Damn comment hiding feature. It's annoying to us nosy folk.

Anyway, yay for UI update.

In the new UI, is there an option to totally remove a comment with out it actually saying it's hidden or been removed?

And could you include some kind of categorization system in the notes, like the ability to make folders?

While I would love folders and better organization that's not on the board (yet).

What about the comments question?

Undecided. I'd like to have it so that if a comment DOES NOT have a reply it isn't seen at all. Any comment that IS replied to will show [Hidden Comment].

I like the idea of having the two separate options - especially having a comment removed completely.

I hate it when I make a journal and there's a wall of "hidden" comments before I can see the visible ones. It would be nice to just completely remove them and get to the relevant stuff. If they are still shown as hidden and there's too many of them, I have to make ANOTHER journal just to re-organize.

It would be much more functional to have the ability to just ERASE a comment IMO.

What about the ability to edit your own comments? It should also tag the comment with the date and time it was made and when it was edited last.

Yeah, that would be nice.

Removing and being able to edit comments should be the only options. Hiding them is the old way and should be done away with - users should be able to just erase comments, pure and simple.

As for folders, that needs to be on the board soon because FA has promised this in the past and this site is still so far behind the times that the folder feature is pretty much a standard on art sites now.

I have to agree with this.

Seconded - make the notes need to be more like a simple e-mail architecture.

I hate it when I have to keep my inbox overflowing with messages because the person I'm noting deletes the conversation and writes something new on a new note. This means I have to save every in and out note just to refer to the conversation, which takes up valuable space in the in/outbox.

Folders would mean I can move the most important messages to another organized space, put the crap into the trash, and have my inbox open for new messages.

I like the look of both. What are the fonts being used, if you don't mind me asking.

Open Sans

I first read that as "Comic Sans".

Psst. Still needs a show nothing but porn option. On board to the procrastination station!

Nope. Not going to happen. Ever. =P

There should be a "HIDE PONY CONTENT" option instead. yesplz?

You won't be able to find your closet if the option is on.

^

Wont get it when neer himself likes ponies :P

I'd like to see that to, but at least now it is categorized.

Ha, you know I been teasing about that for weeks.

How about the "hide pony content" button? I am tired of seeing myself posting pony content.

Agreed. I'm getting tired of seeing MLP content

So we have a SFW only option...but a NSFW only option is not gonna happen?

Seems like you have the entire framework and logic built to add that function today.

Exciting! Looks great so far! :)

Thanks. =D Been putting a lot of a work into it and going back and forth with people. The UI has been a long running joke on the site (both the UI itself *and* the updates), but... there is finally light at the end of the tunnel.

Looks really nice neer! Can't wait to test it out. Love beta testing!

It should be soon. Trying to handle all the major pages first and find all the little redundancies that I can.

It's looking good so far. I'm definitely liking the font used.

PS: Images displayed per page: 256?? DAFUQ

Admin/staff views go up to 1024.

Whooooo. And normal people only up to 60 =(

That will be changing. Not to 1024, but... it will be increasing a bit.

♥

The more the better, please!

Very good.

Best perk ever!

Maybe stick the copyright info between the previous/next links? Also not entirely sure "SUBMISSION OPTIONS" needs to be giant red letters, either. Seems a bit distracting.

Not interested in this new model if it involves twerking. FA ain't got da booty for twerking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpkSejI8OQE

But that's not FA. Corgis always got da booty.

Here you go:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/14528073/

Just curious.
Will FA ever have a PNG option and not having to always convert the file to JPEG before posting?

You don't have to convert to JPEG? I always post using PNG, never have a problem. Do you get an error posting as PNG?

its like, I choose png but then when it gets up loaded the art comes out as jpeg?

On a standard submission? Not seen that before. What browser/OS are you using?

yes on a standard submission and i use chrome

What size are the files that you upload? If they're too big, FA resizes them automatically and that causes the artifact-ing. Could be that, maybe?

aw man Im not exactly shut but I know that they can be pretty big!
Ill have to look out for the size next time o:

Submissions should be under 1280x1280px.

If you ant to avoid it, you can resubmit the file using the edit submission dialog, and the second version cirumvernts FA's resizing filters.

Try not to overuse this, it's technically a bug. :P

I know I'm treading on dangerous ground here.

 muskie just highlighted what almost every popular commissioning fur on here knows how to do, and for the type of art I'm starting to do, it's a requisite.

I know that all of the enhancements are coming, and the UI is going to come out, and you guys are tweaking things and fixing things. It's all good stuff. But I fear what will happen if you fix this glitch some day, and you basically force everyone who wants to do comic panels to make their readers try to read them at 1280 x 1280...it will effectively kill that style of art from this site. Imagine Spiderman at 1280 x 1280...what did MJ say? Nobody knows, because it's at 3.1 Comic Sans font, and anti-aliased.

I know of a few popular artists who do panel art with frequency ( gillpanda, my muse, is one of them). I get it...it's a problem of storage/size, a problem of "what's good for one" and abuse, and a problem of uniformity/mobile view.

It sure would be nice, though, if panel art were treated how it's supposed to be treated - like four to nine images, or submissions, at once, that just happen to be talking to each other. And if they were given the same resolution cap on that level. If we were given a pick box for that when we were submitting that kind of art, so nobody had to do this back-alley shady resubmit thing that could turn around and bite us in the keyster some day when all of our art gets auto-resized in some update you guys run. Or just yanked.

Out of this, that's my only concern and gripe. Otherwise, the new UI looks leagues above the current.

That's a hellamount of TT's ya got there haha

But it looks interesting so far.

That's also a copy of the database from 6 months ago.

I love the design ever better, my only thing about it from a design standpoint is that the font for the body text is a little harder to read. I admit the text currently in place needs to go, and I like that the new font is larger by default, but it doesn't read as easily.

It's pretty easy to tweak if need be.

Oh sweet! Cool beans. Yeah, I'm a big fan of all the rest of the changes. :3

It's never good enough, so do more things. And also fix the current thing before you do the next thing.

*sip*

Very cool. I like the look!

When will this new UI be shown or available?

I'm hoping by the end of September curerntly.

d-does this mean i can actually delete submissions without it feeling like an awful pain in the booty??
also lookin pretty cool so far, i personally have always loved FA's current layout (i'm weird like that) but maybe a fresh start is indeed in order.

I hope we will be allowed to edit our comments.

Trust me, you and I both. Nothing's worse than writing out an official statement, as an admin, as the damn site owner, and clicking "Post" only to realize half a second later you made a big ass typo. =D

It's very high on my list.

Any plans to disable comments on submissions completely?

Things I'm noticing as I'm looking at it:

- Keyword tags are looking nicer, though the description box is still very cramped; it gives me a small headache trying to sort through the text. Perhaps a little bit of resizing and moving would help it? (Five second photoshop thing: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u.....escription.png ) Give it some negative space and some room to breathe, and prioritise the text.

- Not sure about the size of the Prev/Next Submission thing. Seems to take up far too much screen real estate for something so minor.

- The Favorite/Download/Send Note thing seems pretty bland and unnoticable, and isn't in a very useful position. Below the prev/next buttons, and above the description? These are important links the user will be using all the time, especially Favorite and Download. Some icons might look nice and make it more easily apparently whether you've already faved something or not.

I can add a bit more padding to the comment box to make it easier on the eyes and add a bit of white space.

As far as the Prev/Next and Fav/Note I'm still toying with the best placement/sizing/etc.

Is that the brand new look? If so, I like it a lot! Also will the ability to edit Comments come in to play?

I really hope the new UI doesn't have any twerking

looks good Mr. Man...

I can't wait to try it out.

=^.,.^=

Question: will you be able to remove deleted submissions from your favorites with this new update?

That looks and feels way to close to dA... No thank you. Only plus I like is the even darker tones other than that not thrilled. I still don't know why you guys are more worried about the look of this site instead of the function and the crappy service. TT's, admin consistency, and actually listening to all feedback not just what you want to hear should come first.

Sorry just hard to be happy with any update if its not one that will actually benefit how it's run but instead how pretty it is.

It only be DA if there were Llamas and Immature teens. lol

it does seem like they are focusing too much on how it looks and not on if it will even work. That is the update I want to hear about. If nothing has been done about that, why should I care about how pretty it looks.
You could have the fanciest watch on Earth, but if it doesn't work, what good is it?

It's just the UI. the buttons still do what they would currently, so it'll work just as well.

Also note that the new UI is likely a lot smaller, CSS-wise, which will free up resources on FA's servers. should make things a bit more snappy.

maybe, but I would still like to know how it is being improved and how it might work better and smoother. Let people know it's not the same old system going into to, and in my opinion not needed, new box

Dragoneer said in his initial post about this (A Failure History of the UI, whcih i'm certain you read, since you posted a few replies to that Journal), that this is NOT FA 2.0/Phoenix.

It is indeed, "The same old system going into a new box", as you put it.

Things should, however, be slightly snappier, as the New UI won't take as long to serve to clients as the old one, thus decreasing FA's server load. That improvement may still be in the microsecond level, but if you mulltiply that by the amount of pages FA serves per day to clients, every little bit helps.

So if that is the case, what is the point of it then? How could that mess of a page be faster than to one we have now?

And I quote:

"I've had to go back and re-do a lot of things as I found several more efficient ways to handle things (reducing some pages by upwards of 75% in file size)."

Lower file size = Less data to transfer from FA's Server to you = Less Strain on servers = Faster Loading of webpage = Faster FA.

I really can't put it any more simply than that.

maybe, but it looks far more cluttered and slapped together looking. If the file is smaller for the page size, I'll have to take your word for it, but I still think the design feels lacking in artistic design. Trying to be flashy and impressive looking but only coming across as a waste of time and effort.

the current site isn't flashy but it is just a site around the art. The art comes first in the current site. The new site tries to say. "Hey, I'm big, new and flashy! Look at me! Oh yeah there's art here too, but Look At ME!"
I will admit the current site does need work but it wouldn't be hard to add onto the site instead of redoing it

I believe other people are doing the coding for how the site works
He's just updating on what he has so far looks-wise.
That's why he mentioned an open beta. :T

Where is this beta??

"Still working towards the open beta for the UI."
First sentence. :P
I just meant that people are getting critical over how this update is only on looks and not how well it will actually run, when I don't think he's even doing any of that coding. >_> So this is the update that he CAN provide.

Oh, I haven't looked at the journal since last; just been replying to comments >.>

IDK, I think with the new layout, it might help site performance, to a degree. If my logic is correct, I believe FA is running on a similar, if not the same, web architecture from 2005/2009 - which by today's standards is ancient.

If there is coding being done to the UI, then something has to done to the HTML to be able to it handle it, right?

FA as of present is actually quite functional and fast, but has short periods of lag. But, I live with it.

All we can do is hope that more improvements will be made than we think.

you got it. The New UI should reduce server load. Mainly due to how the actual file size of the page should be slightly smaller.

...or.. Significantly smaller, if Dragoneer's comment about some pages being reduced by 75% is to be believed.

Hopefully ads and the banner won't conflict when viewed on a standard resolution device such as an iPad / most other tablets and phones anymore. Sometimes I want to see an ad and it is completely under the banner. Or the ad will he over the banner.

i second this.

I think Neer said before that the site would auto-fit to the screen of a mobile device? Having an option to just turn OFF banners/ads would really solve this issue in mobile and desktop views.

Agreed on that last bit. Though the system I have right now, using Stylish and AdBlock Plus works very well.
http://imgur.com/ul3GQBT,2MbTat4

How did you get the site like that??

https://userstyles.org/

I believe the theme is called "Grey Rust" or something.

I love you SO much right now.

Now I can watch YouTube at night without my eyes being burned out

Hehe. No problem.

I use a similar grey shade for almost all the websites I use frequently.
http://imgur.com/Y8j945Q,qslmXDd,tfNcXxM

Looks good, I use Adblock plus too, but I put an exception for FA because I actually like to see the ads for this site. I just wish by default they would actually display properly on most devices other than high resolution devices.

its looking good, and holy trouble tickets batman.

IKR? My eyes bulged at that number.

Also, the amount of notes

One thing to note Neer, the notifications area seems quite cramped and cluttered together (barring your ridiculous number count there) and its not very pleasing to the eye especially with how unified it looks.

Might I suggest colouring and/or bolding the S / N / C / J to stand out a bit, should help in dividing such to a degree and stand out much easier.
Could be in the default red text that you got there for sections.

Speaking of that, wouldn't a more orangish tone work better with the sites overall theme? Red does pop out but it seems forced.

Off topic-ish but why has there been nearly no work to Project Phoenix in months? :c

https://github.com/FurAffinity/phoe.....ibutors?type=a

Just want to clarify also that this is a legit source?

I'm guessing this update is what Phoenix turned into. Or it could be the step before, as I think Phoenix won't be launched until next year?

IDK, I haven't been keeping up much.

This is sort of an interim update, an inbetween for quality of life.

http://alturl.com/jszvo

What's with that link button on the right side of the comments? :o

Its the same thing we have on them currently. If you look on the current comments, if someone does not type a title you'll notice a (No Subject...) which is a link. It'll lead you to a page that adds a #cid:12345678 <-- comment number to the end of the url. It basically starts the page viewage at that specific comment/thread. Only instead of the subject line, it's called 'link'

Ah well that makes sense, especially since nobody really puts things into that subject line anyway.
Thanks :D

Right, and after looking at the numbers and how people comment, ditching the comment title/subject line made sense. The few times people DO use it's rarely in a good way.

Good thing that won't be an issue anymore. =D

what will happen to the thumbnails?
i noticed currently if you set them bigger warning thumbnails stop working.

I'm not expecting something like this right away but will we get the ability to customize our profiles further ? Like Profile banners and such ? A lot of websites are starting to do this from Sofurry, Weasyl, Wysp and even non art websites like Social media ! I think it'd be pretty nice to have that as an option. I like the updates so far they look nice and clean ! I can't wait to see what kinds of themes you guys come up with like the light and dark theme.

I'm using a dark theme with stylish right now that looks decent on the site if it helps. My only gripe is the notifications area looks super clustered. It was hard for me to actually read it.

I can't wait for the editing comments thing though, ugh typos are the bane of my existence. The font is a little off to me for some reason but i'm sure that's easy to fix ! can't wait to see the next updates.

I'm mixed on user banners. I like the customization on one hand, but I hate how distracting/ugly they can be on the other. Some people can design amazing banners... others... not so much. I'm trying to find a good middleground for that.

There's always the option for users to disable the option so they can't see other peoples banners ! And a few other ideas to offer premades for those who can't draw banners that well. Like Ones that say Writer, Music maker, Artist, Etc with an FA theme to em.

The amount of space on each side is reminiscent of tumblr. I'm not sure if that is a good thing because it makes it seem quite empty. I do understand keeping uniform with the banner, but the site could use to be widened at least a little bit. ( Example: http://imgur.com/NPvS0dT ) Though this could be a stylization preference of my own. I just understand that a number of people now have wide-set screens and a thin page while tidy and 'new' looking, it can leave less of a 'full' feeling to the page and sometimes too constricted.

Questions:
- What do you plan to do for full view? When clicked to view will there be a pop-up within the same page of the full sized image?
- Following this which is another valid point - will you be fixing the sizing bug to where it constrains the image to the proper container definitely or only upon non-full view?
- What will be the difference between hide and delete comments?
- Are you intending on a 'light' version of this or will we be strictly on the dark theme?
- Highlight newest comments for the past? <- I'm quite confused about this

Other suggestions:
- More clear separation and clarity between all the message types
- On the 'comment capabilities' with the B/I/U, perhaps including 'link' types? Between custom page links ([url=" "]) as well as the : iconusername : option as a button? Not sure how fesable this would be, but there are people who still have to ask how to do the coding in comments.
- Edit comment possibility instead of 'hide' and have a edited time stamp

Positives I like:
- Not too cluttered directly under the picture
- Adverts at the bottom of the page, as to not interfere with the own artists page/work

Looks nice, fresh and clean!

On the submission view page, I don't see any way to toggle between full view and smaller view. With a picture like your sample, it's too large for my screen so I have to scroll back and forth to see the whole thing. I'd sure like to be able to see the entire picture without having to do this. Will there be any way to see the picture at a reduced size?

http://www.furaffinity.net/img/site_settings.png
The notification number/letter things at the top seem to run together.

Other than that, I like what's happening.

I'm still tweaking that. I don't like the way it is now and I'm trying to find a solution that's more compact, but not overwhelming.

Mhm, one comment from my end. I'm a community manager, working on commercial communities.

On most projects, we have decided not to show the post or comment count per person on purpose. There are several reasons for that, but the most important ones are that people with a high post count tend to fall into domineering roles, seeing high post count as affirmation of their seniority/superiority, that people with lower post counts take offense or are intimidated, and people tend to do more spam posts/updates/comments, simply to boost their number, making life for moderators harder and inflating/clogging up the database.

Especially seeing that FA often has capacity problems, which look database-related, that could add to the list of negatives.

Apart from that, lovely :) If you wanna set it apart some more, maybe use an embedded font instead of the usual arial/verdana/etc?

Is The Fileresolution limit going to still stay at 1280*1280?

Just wondering since after Full HD is established and ultramegahyper-Definition is on the horizon.

I know you can dodge that rule but it would be nice not to have to submit everything twice.

That would be nice, but I think larger resolution pictures would fight with the site's native resolution and also add strain to the servers due to the larger file sizes. Though, this is the case with the current layout.

If the site can be tweaked to actually handle hi-rez pics, I'd like to see the limit raised to 2560*1440 or at least 2000*2000.

One of the tweaks of the new UI is to resize images larger than your browser window to shrink down to a viewable size. It's something we need to add an enable/disable to.

As for larger file sizes, they're very high on our list, but we need to upgrade the site storage system before we can raise the cap.

So that option is for the desktop as well as the mobile view, correct?

You missed the "THERE ARE FOUR CATS" joke :p

An obvious reference to "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS" :p

If you are doing a big overhaul of everything...

Wouldn't it be better to put the text box for commenting on journals and submissions at the top above the comments, right after submission description or journal post, then have comments and replies below the text box.

The reason being, As for people like yourself and artists that get a lot of comments for posting something, It can take awhile to scroll to find the textbox.
Take this journal as an example. you already got 100+ posts for writing a small post. So having it near the text box near what you wrote would be easier on everyone.
Especially those using a phone, tablet device or touch screen, as it can be quite fiddly to scroll through a lot of comments.

Your Icon just seems to read what's going on, 'BA to Basics' so to speak. Looks like there's a nice little UI fix up. Word bubbles and Invisible Borders, think the questions been posed before but what other kind've additions will the new site have? Noticed folders are back seat on this one, but just wondering how many other features will be put into this one, and will it make adding said features easier into the site?

     As the vicar said to the stripper, looking good so far. Clean design is clean.

     Critique re. layout of comments: Try and strengthen the association between an icon
and a username. Current layout has the username flush with the icon and distinct from
the text. Good. Our eyes see both within the same [narrow] visual frame.

     New design tries to suggest a comment as a speech balloon emanating from the
icon. Nicht so gut, resulting in a 'cognitive hiccup' as our brain tries to figure out who
sent us the comment.

     Oh wait, there's this name over here to the right that's separate from the icon;
that must be it. Conclusion: UI design is a bitch. As with all tech stuff, it's the little
things [with all the sharp pointy teeth].



     Speaking of little things: What point size are you using for the Open Sans body text?

     Need-to-know is mega-crucial re. setting up the software to convert some +800 FAWD
list pages from Verdana to Open Sans. And about 450 pages of story text on the
fwbrown61 account; groan...

     On the other paw, 's turning out to be easy coding. But gotta know that pt size.

     TIA.

 fwbrown61



PS: Shall renew suggestion re. keywords: Keep 'em in the current location.
Story text posted in the comment box will push the keywords waaaay
the hell down the screen. We want users to be able to see 'em
easily so they can use 'em.

     PPS: Re. the ever-constant and droning requests for folders, may I suggest that
Yak spend a few minutes on a tech write-up about folders.

     In which he will describe, in all it's awesomely gruesome gory detail, just how
much of FA's codebase will need to ripped up with a chainsaw and totally rewritten.
On top of all the DB restructuring. After, that is, we've mopped up all the [digital]
blood in the server room.

     Anybody who asks about folders again, point them to that article. Only side
effect: A lotta furs with their pelts scared white. (Heck, just thinking about it
is enough to do it to me. :- ) )

 fwbrown61

Any chance on Image Embedding being added in the near future?

Ooooh, also the ability to parse animated GIFs correctly. Right now they look all wonky in previews and thumbnails.