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16 years ago
i dont wanna go out, I wanna stay in, get things done
-David Bowie
-David Bowie
i need to take this opportunity to explain our identification method, as my lawyer requested.
this is being handled by an experienced adult film lawyer. who is treating this 3d cartoon porn no different than any of the real life human porn from the many years past. to him there isnt any difference.
upon ordering one of our videos, a customer must provide their home mailing adress (we wont accept p.o. boxes). this adress holder will be held legally responsible if there are copyright infringements. peach fuzz is legally protected under title 17, sections 501 and 506.
once the request for a film is made, we re-render a brand new copy that will have several "markers" hidden within the film in many places. for example if "roger fox" orders a copy, i will make a new rener that will have a certain clock on the wall in one particular scene, and a little crab way in the backround of another. etc...
if rogerfox decides to make a copy to hand to his next door neighbor, there isnt much we can do. just dont upload it online anywhere, because if we find it, we download it, watch the film, and the film will tattle tail to us which customer it was sold to. even with me explaining exactly how we are doing this, there is no way round it. you wont know how many signs there are, what is or what isnt a sign, where they are, or when they are, how many they are.
lets say two people each buy a film, and work to clip them together to make one film, using scenes from both copies.... both customers end up in court. one at a time O.o
i dont suggest tsting this, if you do i cannot stop you, and at that point, this offending customer will then be contacted by my lawyer, if they cant be reached or found, then a federal agent will do the contacting. and whichever state the offender resides in, will be the on that pays for the fees of our flight and court processing. both opius and i, my lawyer, and an agent, will be present in court. and if the offender is not 24 years of age, the united states will not recognize them as financially independant, so their parent or guardian will need to be present. in the end it wont b a negotiation. the agent will have the evidence that the video was reposted, and a fine will be incurred.
this is not a joke, and i have done this before. i know for sure that some poor guy is gonna call my bluff, i feel kinda bad for that person but it will be necessary. because i promise that after that first event occurs and they end up with a fine (there will not be warning letters, CND's of any kind, just an aperance in court face to face, and a fine) then no one will repeat it. i promise you that ;)
this happened once before. someone who i wont name, offended my copyright, and since the poor kid was only 18, his parents ended up with the minimum 700 usd fine. im sure he had a serious talking to when he got home.
people dont realize that simply writing "copyright me" in the corner of your art doesnt mean anything. not since the late 1970's.
Peach Fuzz has been legally registered with my lawyer and notary. the same two people who worked with me during my time as an adult actor in real life.
in accordance with the amednmant of the DMCA, it is now also possible that whichever server owner or website that displays or hosts the copyright offense, can also be subject to a liability. i will send a courtesy letter to a couple of sites, to give them the chance to protect themselvs ahead of time from being deemed responsible in part or in whole.
again this is not some DMCA registry. offenders will not be "persued". this is a film copyright under title 17. that means with or without monetary gain. offenders will receive a summons, not a CND letter.
if a customer living within the united states, canada, the united kingdom, or australia, offends the copyright, this will be a simple series of events like i explained. and i am not required to apear in court. my lawyer has the right to represent me and will be present with a federal agent.
if someone who resides outside of those places, not much i can do then, only the DMCA can handle that.
this is not a debate on whether piracy is ok, or a debate on the definition of piracy. im not here to discuss peoples various opinions on the subjct. this is me, laying it down for people. explaining how this works. this isnt a negotiation.
the plain simple fact is: we are working hard to make these cupcakes, if you wanna take one from our table, i have to ask you to pay for it ;)
and i hope you in turn love the flavor!
people who want it will come and buy it. peach fuzz tries to have something for everyone. but we dont play salesman, we dont seek custsomrs, customers seek us :)
i dont mean to sound stern or anything, people who know me know im a nice guy X.x;
i just needed to get serious for a moment to explain all the math and legal crap. i prefered keeping our identification method a secret, but my lawyer says im required to make a public anouncement of some kind. otherwise im required to place a copy of the explanation on every single film we sell. i hope people actually READ the fbi warning at the begining of a movie ;)
blah blah blah legal crap i HATE typing this stuff x.x
i really hope people have been enjoying the stuff we have been coming up with. we have been trying really hard to come up with stuff for everyone out there. not just the usual "foxs and wolves". not that theres anything wrong with foxes and wolves, just that i think we need to be eclectic.
if people have any questions they can contact opius or i directly :)
this is being handled by an experienced adult film lawyer. who is treating this 3d cartoon porn no different than any of the real life human porn from the many years past. to him there isnt any difference.
upon ordering one of our videos, a customer must provide their home mailing adress (we wont accept p.o. boxes). this adress holder will be held legally responsible if there are copyright infringements. peach fuzz is legally protected under title 17, sections 501 and 506.
once the request for a film is made, we re-render a brand new copy that will have several "markers" hidden within the film in many places. for example if "roger fox" orders a copy, i will make a new rener that will have a certain clock on the wall in one particular scene, and a little crab way in the backround of another. etc...
if rogerfox decides to make a copy to hand to his next door neighbor, there isnt much we can do. just dont upload it online anywhere, because if we find it, we download it, watch the film, and the film will tattle tail to us which customer it was sold to. even with me explaining exactly how we are doing this, there is no way round it. you wont know how many signs there are, what is or what isnt a sign, where they are, or when they are, how many they are.
lets say two people each buy a film, and work to clip them together to make one film, using scenes from both copies.... both customers end up in court. one at a time O.o
i dont suggest tsting this, if you do i cannot stop you, and at that point, this offending customer will then be contacted by my lawyer, if they cant be reached or found, then a federal agent will do the contacting. and whichever state the offender resides in, will be the on that pays for the fees of our flight and court processing. both opius and i, my lawyer, and an agent, will be present in court. and if the offender is not 24 years of age, the united states will not recognize them as financially independant, so their parent or guardian will need to be present. in the end it wont b a negotiation. the agent will have the evidence that the video was reposted, and a fine will be incurred.
this is not a joke, and i have done this before. i know for sure that some poor guy is gonna call my bluff, i feel kinda bad for that person but it will be necessary. because i promise that after that first event occurs and they end up with a fine (there will not be warning letters, CND's of any kind, just an aperance in court face to face, and a fine) then no one will repeat it. i promise you that ;)
this happened once before. someone who i wont name, offended my copyright, and since the poor kid was only 18, his parents ended up with the minimum 700 usd fine. im sure he had a serious talking to when he got home.
people dont realize that simply writing "copyright me" in the corner of your art doesnt mean anything. not since the late 1970's.
Peach Fuzz has been legally registered with my lawyer and notary. the same two people who worked with me during my time as an adult actor in real life.
in accordance with the amednmant of the DMCA, it is now also possible that whichever server owner or website that displays or hosts the copyright offense, can also be subject to a liability. i will send a courtesy letter to a couple of sites, to give them the chance to protect themselvs ahead of time from being deemed responsible in part or in whole.
again this is not some DMCA registry. offenders will not be "persued". this is a film copyright under title 17. that means with or without monetary gain. offenders will receive a summons, not a CND letter.
if a customer living within the united states, canada, the united kingdom, or australia, offends the copyright, this will be a simple series of events like i explained. and i am not required to apear in court. my lawyer has the right to represent me and will be present with a federal agent.
if someone who resides outside of those places, not much i can do then, only the DMCA can handle that.
this is not a debate on whether piracy is ok, or a debate on the definition of piracy. im not here to discuss peoples various opinions on the subjct. this is me, laying it down for people. explaining how this works. this isnt a negotiation.
the plain simple fact is: we are working hard to make these cupcakes, if you wanna take one from our table, i have to ask you to pay for it ;)
and i hope you in turn love the flavor!
people who want it will come and buy it. peach fuzz tries to have something for everyone. but we dont play salesman, we dont seek custsomrs, customers seek us :)
i dont mean to sound stern or anything, people who know me know im a nice guy X.x;
i just needed to get serious for a moment to explain all the math and legal crap. i prefered keeping our identification method a secret, but my lawyer says im required to make a public anouncement of some kind. otherwise im required to place a copy of the explanation on every single film we sell. i hope people actually READ the fbi warning at the begining of a movie ;)
blah blah blah legal crap i HATE typing this stuff x.x
i really hope people have been enjoying the stuff we have been coming up with. we have been trying really hard to come up with stuff for everyone out there. not just the usual "foxs and wolves". not that theres anything wrong with foxes and wolves, just that i think we need to be eclectic.
if people have any questions they can contact opius or i directly :)
first one that tests the rope gets to meet me face to face. not that im gonna say anything. my job is to sit down and shut up. while my lawyer talks, then an agent shows paperwork, then a fine is slapped.
it IS gonna happen. somebodys gonna be dumb enough. and it needs to happen. cause then once it does it will never happen again and i can sit back and relax and not have to take anymore plane rides. except for cons of course :P
Just watch out for fake names and address, I've seen people try to do small details like this get blown out of the water, friend of mine gave up because it was a bit too overwhelming for him that he was loosing all this money to people who like to share a little too much, and chances are they might try to do it when you've already posted just over several hundred to different people.
I'm also more then sure all the fur haters out there would love to give this challenge a try...
I am curious as to what you might try to do if you catch one person, but the video he posted on the pirate sites is already getting spread out like a drug/virus/whatever, because of all the other fanatics in the pirating business...it would end up being from ONE person taking the hit, to thousands of people you have to try and track down just to make sure every single copy of that file is not in the wrong hands. it's going to be a tough chase, just hope you don't have to deal with the bull shit like every other company is and stuff.
I'm not going to sit here and sugar coat this and say it's an awesome idea, it's been done I'm more then once I'm sure, I'm just saying be careful of who you trust both in and out of your company and be sure you send it to people who you know for sure the information is correct, just keep in mind that your video will most likely (If you like it or not) going to be posted on a pirate site, the chances are staggering, especially since in a comment i read on this earlier that people are already seeing this as a challenge, so if you want to avoid this, keep on your toes... once they realize that your guard is even down for a second, it's over..
Just good luck on your video.
in actuality people are taking this exactly the way i thought they would. the wrong way :)
i have absolutely no intention of even lifting a finger to try and track down anyone.
thats not my job or responsibility. if one person gets caught, then i get contacted and they get handled. doesnt matter to me if this video gets pirated. no matter what you do you cannot stop piracy, its just not possible unless your magically psychic ;)
doesnt mean im gonna make it easy ":}~
this notice was placed here because i was required to publically place it in the same place/places that i advertise the media it represents.
if people wanna look at it as some sort of "challenge" then kudos to them. let them do anything they want. if they get away with it, awsome! if they get caught? too bad for them :)
only thing that opius and i are gonna be doing is sitting back and relaxing and having fun making more stuff and enjoying the company of friends. like always.
if someone gets caught and i get contacted, my only responsibility is toi show up. same goes for opi.
if someone buys this and resells it to someone else, it breaks the agreement of copyright. and there isnt anyw ay for us to know they sold it. so nothing we can do and i dont care i just wanna sleep O.o
unless of course that sold vieo turns up later on the interweb. then i get contacted and the person who the video was originally sold to gets in trouble for the above stated stuff. UNLESS of course they say "i sold it to someone else, it wasnt me who uploaded it for public redistribution". in which case the rules change completely, and now the person is tried for a fine of 250,000 and or up to 5 years in prison.
if they say "it was lost or stolen from me" then they are simply tried for the foregoing.
these arent threats, im just explaining the rules and how this crap works ":}~
please people if your gonna pirate, do it to your hearts content! i dont condone it but hey what am i gonna do about it? but if you do decide to do it, DONT GET CAUGHT. cause i dont feel like going anywhere >:/
if a video turns up on the interweb im not the one who does any research or work. i just sit at home with my friends watching bad mst3k movies and eating pizza. and preying that i dont get a phon call that says "youll be receiving a letter within 3 to 5 buisness days". then i get dragged outta my house to court? not alotta fun :P
im not taking anything too seriously. im simply saying "ok, i took care of the copyright part of this stuff and im supposed to say something about one of the few identification methods we have. here's the rules and how it works have fun"
<3
FYI: if you're selling the person a DVD, then this statement is untrue on every level, thanks to that lovely little bit of copyright law known as the First-sale Doctrine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
Basically, if a person buys a DVD of your Peach Fuzz movies from you, then they legally own that specific DVD and are allowed to sell it / give it away to another person without penalty. If you're going to play e-lawyer, DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH FIRST.
(If you're selling them, say, a WMV file, then I'm not sure how/if First Sale would apply to wholly digital goods, but I'm not a lawyer and I'm not about to get into that sort of argument.)
i had NO time. and now i have a bad fever from all the sleep deprevation x.x
*snugs* i hope you like this new completed version. i just posted it up ^^
I kid. I like my cave ):
But yeah, legal stuff ftw. PeachFuzz is srs bsns >:[
the cc ha to stay home and watch the yoshis <.<
Seriously. I look terrible in a suit.
*gives a cookie*
I must applaud you though. Porn is serious business XD
Which means this guy is either full of shit, or owes me royalties for his shenanigans.
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on being a liar though, because I know how these intellectual property laws actually work, and it's not worth it for a video that's going to flop because nobody is going to buy it anyway.
I think someone seriously misunderstands the success of the online porn industry; it's only successful because people can remain anonymous when buying porn.
Kidding (maybe), but yes, serious business and all, that, and tis good to have this somewhere to referance people too~
1: When and what site(s) will those wanting this be able to go to?
2: Will it be a cd or dvd(not sure how large they will be).
3: What Methods of payment will you be accepting when the time arrives?
Other than that your logic is very sound.
so ill just say 'this year" and then go take a nap x.x
as for cd or dvd, im letting my video experts devide that, which they will figure later. probably dvd.
i SO wanted to do vhs, in the spirit of 70s porn XD but i realize thats unrealistic <.<
methods of payment will probably be paypal. or checks. we require a verified home residence. my lawyrer will keep record of verification. i cant even fathom how to do that or how that works.
Just sayin'
then giving the file to the designated burner/compiler/codeeditor/embedder.
beleive me. we have that covered ;)
this has been gone over countless times for months. everythings been weeded out.
Get go get some well-earned rest. Hope to see you again at another con (AC maybe?) :)
Still, the fact that you're eating something is good. How's that old saying go? "Starve a cold. Vore a fever." :D
No apes in cars for us!!!!
Come on, Colonel, it's time for a hypothetical situation.
Letz dizkuss sum fri chikkinz n' dat secret recipe.
Let's say you do add a visual identification marker to each tender thigh and juicy breast of your famous, finger lickin' good fried chicken. (A FAKE SPICE! OH LAWDY!) Since they scanned through the protip section of your book "Legal crap for Peach Fuzz" on FA. What's to stop two lil' herb and spice snatchers from collaborating together to discover your unique blend of eleven herbs and spices? Oh, and don't answer that because you might drop the bomb on the cloves like you did ginger.
OH SHI-
Well, at least we've still got nine herbs and spices left... amirite?
Going with the DMCA is a good idea though. Having that extra back up is essential to fighting the tyranny of thieving ninjas and pesky doppelganging pirates here on the internets.
this is a federal copyriught. under title 17. the dmca only handles gaining IP info and such if the person who offended resides in a place other than those i listed.
thats why this is so harsh. it isnt a little 'dmca interweb warning". its a federal investigation warning. it will be handled in real life by real people who will send a letter. which will contain a summons. if you fail to show then a warrant will be issued for your arrest. which allows the state to legally seek any information that will lead to aprehension.
to those who dont underatand i urge you please to look it up.
its the same kind of warrant youll get if you fail to pay a fine for something as simple as a speeding ticket.
they even have the right to show up at your job to take you and put you in the back of a car, bring you in, make you sit and wait for a couple hours, before taking your picture, checking your record for prior warrants and blah blah blah and so on. it sucks trust me. x.X
as for someone trying to remove all the markers? its been my job to make wheres waldo-ish games for the past few months. it may even be something as simple as a slight color picker variation on a certain part of a coffee table. by all means if they anna give it a try go ahead its fine, just make sure you dont miss a single thing ;)
not a one.
not to mention theres a couple other things being embedded that im not required by my lawyer to mention. this particular one i have to, or ill be required to show the huge pages of text before the film starts. which i prefer to just show the simple fbi warning.
in the end this is all alot easyer than people think.
lol i knew the guys on lulz would start bitching and mshit a brick soon as i posted XD
im not worried i just gotta sit back and do my thing while they all talk trash. then sooner or later one of them will be dumb enough to try it. at which point not only will i be watching the film and giving my lawyer the adress, he will also be requsting the IP info and such from the website where its posted. and then figure for himself whether the website should also be held under a liability and fine. if the web admins dont respond, then my lawyer contcts the federal bureau, and one of their agents will contact the website in a less friendlytone and say "gimmie".
and i think its the pirates that have to worry about "one mistake, on slip up". not me. be super sure. causen one slip up now or a couple years after the pirating event and OOPS, letter in the mail, gotta go to court.
phone call from mike, im required to get on a plane. just to sit there.. then stand up... then sit down.. then listen to old people talk.. then go home.
im not jerk for protecting my work ":}~
slow your roll ;)
I will laugh at anyone who tries to get around this...It's perfectly secure.
IN any case, I DEMAND MORE BATS, seriously. You can't go wrong.
maybe we can talk sometime
Best of luck with the sales! Hope it all works out with very little need for you to contact your lawyers for anything. :D
and it will work out fine. i promie you theres gonna be someone who trys to pirate it. im expecting it. then i go handle it (or actually sit down and shut the fuck up as my lawyer puts it, while he and a fed talks)
afterbthat it wont happen again. ive done this before ":}
i dont know if you wanna pay for the same film copyright i did. it gets expensive. but you can always try the DMCA thing. i think the sexyfur guy uses it. its not as serious but it defanately helps. and you dont really need to pay a lawyer for it either
either way i hope you reap the benefits of these movies because i know how much hard work you've drained into them for such a long ass time. and all the high quality and technical stuff - i know you Ganny and if it was made by you i have VERY high expectations!
Umms... so yeah *gets off his soap box* im not really good at this so ill shut up now
*offers poptarts and huggs lovingly*
Then explain these:
http://techdirt.com/articles/200901.....53573504.shtml
http://techdirt.com/articles/200901.....42463468.shtml
http://techdirt.com/articles/200901.....57523291.shtml
Wait, I don't have anything for saleFUCK!!!
Maybe in the trailer you've seen some recognizable items or textures, but in the films we're going for 100% Peach Fuzz made content. As for bvh files, we cooperate with animators and inform them personally about what we intend to do with them.
If you're thinking for a minute that we'll be using canned avatars or anything of the like, you gotta be nuts! XD
thanks for the concern, however. It's suggestions like this that help us cover our bases.
anything you see in the trailers that we did not create, such as a texture on the floor, or a chair in a room (which is juuuust about the extent of what ISNT ours), is without consiquence, since these trailers are not for sale they are a form of machinima.
the films that will actually be sold, will contain 100% content owned and legally liscenced.
thank you for the advice though, i agree with opi, it helps us cover our bases :)
Like someone said earlier this is fairly small time and I doubt the FBI is willing nor able to run down everyone that touches the inevitable internet copies. There are bigger fish to fry. Terrorists, child molesters, and other much more worthy nuts. All they'll do is slap a couple wrists and move on with more important things. My fetish porn has been pirated oh no, is not exactly something worth sinking time into. The ones worth catching aren't gonna get caught for it, and the rest aren't worth spending the resources to go after. It be like going after everyone who ever downloaded a song. If it ever comes to that frankly we have more to worry about than stolen fetish porn.
Bernal, or whatever the sexyfur.com guy's name is, has been fighting this battle for years and still stie rips pop up because there are people willing to be defiant mostly to be defiant. There's always some wack job out there willing to be a martyr to try and prove some point. There is no one and done or else the shit with lulz.net would have been his. Can't tell ya how many times I've seen siterips on sites for download. 100% copy protection is a fantasy that even EA can't realize and they are much more big time than fetish porn.
Besides how do you account for theft of said fetish porn's physical dvd. Not like anyone is gonna be in a hurry to report thier porn stolen. Can't stop resale either. Eventually you get enough fingers pointed around and reasonable doubt becomes a way out, and when that happens you get stuck with the cost.
I'm not a proponent of piracy, nor am I innocent of it. Like I said everyone downloads music. You have a right to protect and profit from what is yours. I'm not trying to dissuade nor negotiate with you as you put, but simply state that there is copy protection and then there's comical grade copy protection. I had originally reserved that for Spore and Spore alone. Thought nothing beat having to pirate a game you just bought so you could install it with a cracked iso then use your legit cd key. This is up there with it. Your gonna put a great deal of effort into defending your property that will most likely not help all that much. Once again spore. Now the most pirated game of all time.
This whole catch one and it'll never happen again makes my brain hurt. Honestly you truly think that is the way it'll be? Ok. If it helps you sleep at night.
Once again more power to you. It's your work and you deserve your money for it if you choose to charge for it. Just don't kid yourself that it won't be pirated even with this fairly original form of protection.
Peace and love to you, May you corner the 3d fetish porn market. I'm gonna go break out the KY and get my fix on SL for free.
i never beleived this wouldnt be pirated. though im quite sure after the first person tests the water and gets a chainchomp on their leg, everyone else will think twice ;)
im not spending any money at this point, the moneys been spent. months ago :)
i dont put any work or effot into defending anything. i simply live my life and enjoy myself. and hope that if piraters wanna pirate, they dont get caught.
as for fbi stuff, i think your kinda talking out your ass, no offense. your spaking about something you have no education about, or.. er.. "ground to stand on"? . the federal bureau doesnt really send the same guy who hunts down terrorists to your front door for copyright protection. there are subsections in regard to 501 and 506. people whose job is speciically this. and hunting down everyone who has a copy they didnt pay for? thats an utter waste of time. nothing can be done about that in my opinion. and the day they start hunting down everyone who ever downloaded a song or something, is the day ill cower in fear that "big brother is watching". it will be like V for vendetta or something creepy like that.
im glad you took the time out to share how to feel in detail and math, as oposed to "lol you tard!". but honestly without trying to be offensive, i dont think you have all the cards :)
thank you for saying what you think though <3
Thanks for the thank you. I feel you took a bit more time than to give me a generic response as well. Good luck in your endeavors, I'm going back to the dawn of war 2 beta.
B.) "This whole catch one and it'll never happen again makes my brain hurt. Honestly you truly think that is the way it'll be? Ok. If it helps you sleep at night." - This. If it was that easy to stop piracy, then why is music and movie piracy running rampant despite lawsuits by the RIAA/MPAA?
Or is this something where you intend to sell multiple copies of the scenes you create?
This might be of some interest to you:
http://forums.furaffinity.net/showt.....ad.php?t=36159
Seriously dude, you've gone to so much trouble with this scheme, someone is going to crack it purely out of bragging rights or spite. Congrats making a target out of yourself. Oh yeah, I seriously doubt posting this notice on your lol internet furry journal counts as a public disclaimer, which is the reason you gave for making the post in the first place.
how old are you again? X.x
do you have any idea what the penalties are for various forms of tamper with with postal service?
the fines for infringement on copyright couldnt begin to compare X.x;;;
for goodness sake and your own sake, please dont try that. you could be seen or caught, evidence could be found of your presence, the works.
please dont get yourself in trouble x.x
im just... the guy who sits at home and watches ghostbusters while making pron with opi and liustening to video game soundtracks <.<
but again in the end, none of this has anything to do with me. im not the person who handles any of this stuff ":}~
so i dont need to try to 'differentiate" anything
IANAL and this is not legal advice etc etc *yawn*
and no ones threatening anyone ":}~
*hugs nobu* p.s. miss you dammit!
I'm sorry, but this shit is hilarious. It's as if you have no idea what you're doing. Do you have any idea what goes into creating a final master?
First of all, to have every single copy be unique, means that you can not mass produce the content. Every copy will have to be unique. Rendered individually, encoded invididually, compiled as a DVD ISO individually, then each DVD would have to be burned individually. You couldn't just burn off copy after copy after copy The manpower and resources that would go into such a system would hurt your profits or at least your profit per manhour invested sevrely. Probably worse than piracy would.
The only way this would work, was if you expected to have so few sales that it wouldn't overwhelm you, and in that case, you'd have no need to threaten people with your lawyer with a degree from The University Of Wikipedia. (You know, YOU.)
This idea could actually work if you were distriburting copies to conventions for public showings, to keep the convention staff from pirating the material, and because that would only require a very limited run of unique versions. For the the retail product? Ha ha, no.
And what are you going to do for non-online sales, like those at conventions? Require everyone to give you their name, address and phonenumber? Supply photo ID with their addresses to prove their not lieing? Good luck! Ha ha ha!
thanks for the opinion but.. NO.. wait lemmie think about that.. NO :D
and who says we are selling at cons? getting stuclk behind a table again is against my religion. anyone who knows me knows that <3
p.s. i love you too <3
like i said this isnt a negotiation or debate. i reply when i like on this thread solely because i feel like it, not because i have to ":}~
the only thing about this thread that i "had" to do, was post the explanation where "within reason" would be considered the same place that i advertise the content it pertains to.
simply because it is a method outside of the other forms. it is the one i came up with, and it affects the video content, even though it will be hard as hell to see the effect.
im not a jerk, and didnt make this post to say "nya nya" por something.
im not attacking anyone, people are attacking me ;)
but like ive said before, it doesnt bother me. i really dont care if i get left alone or not ":}~
get to know me im actually a cool guy ^^
if not *shrusg* do what makes you happy ":}
If you really knew what you were doing and you were willing to discuss this plan openly and completely, you wouldn't be afraid to answer DJ Izumi's questions. But, since you are, that leads me to believe you're either bullshitting your way through this, or you're a complete idiot. (Possibly both.)
and when did i say im so sure that this is super sound and no on will ever be able to defeat my evil plans to dominate the world and blah blah?
all i did was post this because i was told i have to :)
no discussion was necessary, just required to post this publically ^^
think whatevere you like and do hat makes you feel good. im really not concerend with furs "attacking me" with their flame war drama stuff ;)
i just wanna have fun with opi making pronz <3
I'm really beginning to think you are an idiot, and that this whole journal was a move intended to scare potential customers into a paranoid state.
and the idiot you speak of would be the same lawyer ive worked with for almost a decade.
there is no peach fuzz website ready yet. we havent had time. the other few methods of identification and anti piracy are standard to adult films. however this one i came up with on my own after consulting with some old friends in the industry.
im not sure how it all works but apparently since its something i came up with myself, that can potetntially effect the actual film itself visually, it means that i am altering the product ofr purposes other than entertainment. so somehow that means i need to explain that stuff and 'show my cards" at the begining of each film. page after page. OR i can post it publically. and the place i post it cant be any random place. it has to be in or 'reasonably within the region of" the same place that i advertise and or sell the product that it pertains to
ive also been told that for some reason we arent allowed to use paypal for payment unlss i sit trhough another couple of days of form filling... yay >:/
listen, i man you no harsh feelings even though your obviously havoing an attitude problem. you dont know me. but furs getting roudy on the interweb and being imature is old news ;)
older than you beleive me. so i really dont worry or care. think what you like and do what makes you feel good.
i already knew that people need to see it to beleive it. so just wait till the first person pirates. i know its gonna happen no matter what anyone does. after what happens to them ends up on the internet, then decide what you think :)
people will still bitch of course, or call me an evil old crone. lulz will always be a place for little butthurt geeks to talk trash from afar.
and this will always be the place where opius and i will continue to post lots of furry art, video pronz, and fun stuff for the people who choose to enjoy it :)
in short, life goes on ;)
So you also plan to skip out on any money that can be made though convention impulse buys? Seriously, buying online, you gotta go to the website, get your credit card, order it, wait 4-6 weeks for delivery, then watch your money. At conventions, people can hand over cash and get instant gratification, one can sell a lot in person at a con pretty quickly if they have what people want.
Okay, seriously. There are two possiblities here. 1) You are actually foolish enough to think that this anti-piracy plan will work. 2) You know that this is bullshit but are using it as a bluff, a scare tactic to try and prevent piracy, and are foolish enough to think that people will buy into it.
Not to mention, even if this plan DOES work, ya know, in some world where people wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people, all you can do is 'bust' (With legal cost and time that would be particularly lengthy if they try to fight it) the content can still get online and people will download it enmass. Not to mention, furries are POOR, even if you tried to sue someone for lost revenues, they'd be insolvable on account of being unable to pay. You have little chance of stopping any torrents as well. If all the holywood studios can't stop torrents with their real lawyers, what do you think your pretend lawyer is going to accomplish?
as for costs, like i said, everything that needed to be spent. has been spent. and if anything occurs, i dont do any work, im at home, while the state or province that the offendor resides in, has to pay.
and just to make sure people are aware: we dont see a penny if someone pays a fine.
that money does not go in my pocket. it has nothing to do with me unless i sue for damages, which i wont O.o
its just plain not worth it.
as for furs being poor, er... how much do you think this stuff is actually gonna cost? O.o
im not trying to stop anything. i just went through the copyright motions awhile back, and now recently i was told im supposed to post this. of all the identification methods that will be used, this particular one i would have prefered to keep secret. since i made it and i think its neat. but ironically, since i made it, is exactly the reason i was required to say it publically ":}
lighten up ":}
And because I have an "off" sense of humor that others may share...
I can't help but picture a small child asking their teacher, "why can't we go to the zoo like you promised us?"
And the teacher replying, "Well Suzy, we no longer have the money since our budget was cut to make up for the state bringing the furry porn producer and his lawyer here to catch a perv that tried to distribute it."
"Teacher... what's a furry?"
... I may have a mildly twisted sense of humor though...
but maybe thats how things even out? im not sure how it works in the end, but let me put it to you this way:
when a person has to pay a fine, lets they a fine of 10k. do i get the 10k? me and opius or anny or izzy? no.
do we get a percentage of that 10k? not even a dime. nope.
where does the 10k go? it goies into the pocket of the state or province that the offender legally resides in :)
not sure why that is or how that works. but thats the way its been since 1977.
and alot of people seem to think that if your not in the usa, then your home free or something. but in actuallity, no, when your within your usa or canada or hawaii, its the fbi. if not, its interpol in cooperation with the fbi.
x3;)
but yeah i agree with you fully. twisted humor, but still funny ;)
"and just to make sure people are aware: we dont see a penny if someone pays a fine. that money does not go in my pocket."
once again, why bother if you don't get jack from it anyway?
The Tick was awesome!
"janet?....potato?"
Better to stick with the "I'm not threatening...just posting legal notification" line and stay away from any explanations of how their idea to defeat it (be it technological or legal) won't work.
And I thought you looked a bit like an adult actor when I saw your photo! Keep eatin' all them pizzas! :D
Not really. I never had any interest in buying this product (it's Second Life porn, for fuck's sake), so I don't care about defeating the "copy protection" scheme. I do think Ganador's going to great lengths to scare potential customers about piracy and being litigated/prosecuted if they do something as innocuous as give away the DVD to someone else (which, as pointed out above, is perfectly legal). Like any "copy protection" scheme, Ganny's plan is intent on treating his legitimate customers like criminals just for buying his product ("Hi! Thanks for buying my stuff! Now give me all of your personal info so I can sue you blind if even part of this video shows up on the Internet!"), and anyone with any form of common sense (and a good deal of research into past copy protection schemes / DRM) can see just how horrible this plan is because it won't deter pirates at all -- just like the CSS protection system on DVDs, Apple's DRM on iTunes MP3s, and the Blu-Ray copy protection scheme, it'll eventually be cracked or circumvented, and then the product will be out everywhere, while the legit customers will still be treated like criminals by being forced to submit to the scheme or go without the product.
Ganador's plan is hinging on two things:
1.) People being stupid enough to sink money into DVDs full of Second Life porn (on a personal note to people like this: what the fuck I don't even)
2.) People being stupid enough tp not realize that they're being treated like criminals just for buying said DVD
And the sooner more people realize this, the better. Ganador is an egotistical idiot, and I will do everything I legally can to see that sales of his DVDs (if they're ever even released; ten bux says he bails on the project just weeks before it's ready to ship and takes all the money with him) are as shitty as possible.
you can find it here: http://secondlife.com/corporate/tos.php
i should probably add, for the knuckle heads out there, that most of the music in the trailers are not licensed. and again the trailers are not for sale. they are fun videos made to entertain no different than any other machinima. and are used as an example of the kind of art we are capable of. the design of our avatars, the ability of our camera work, and most defanately to also show off our ability to match the right voice with the right face.
but again thats all subjective. whether our avatar designs look good and so on, is a matter of opinion :)
as for the sellable films? even the soundtrack will be licensed, created, and or owned.
we have no intention of using other peoples stuff without permission, we never have and never will :)
Which is to say, none.
mall my hard work, and opius's hard wpork, is spent on making the avatars, and the sets and filming and getting the voice actors together in the sound studio and blah blah blah :)
this stuff isnt really being made for profit. its being made for fun. i dont really need the money :)
however, it is hard work, despite the fun factor. so its nice to at least have people help opius and i pay for the expense of continuing to make the films. and also pay for the price of empty dvd's and postal service and such <.<
the people who pay for films will be the people who want to continue to support this stuff. the people who wanna see more of it being made, and being improved.
the people who honestly dont have interest in it will ignore its existance, while the people who are just grumpy little trolls will bitch about it till their faces turn blue XD
p.s. i love your icon its hilarious x3
Thankies!!!
but we arent gonna b seeking any sort of compensation for stolen work. i think i posted earlier explaining that when people are fined, that money mostly goes to the state or province the offender resides in methinks.
i know for sure from personal experience, that i dont see a penny of that fine :P
but thank you so much for saying this, you word it better than i can and i apreciate that ^^
So you are going to go through all of this for a glorified SL machinima? Wow, that's stupid, and to get all bent about it and make threats like you're going to make the greatest thing furry has ever seen is just LOL.
I make a living in SL making stuff, so I know exactly the "platform" in question. I also know that anything sexual in SL is laughably poor in quality. Your trailer shows this; repetitive, limited animations, body organs not even going in the right place and just clipping in and out of the general crotch area, and stiff avatars. This isn't your fault; its the nature of SL. However you are a moron for thinking that you're going to make some grand shit in it THAT EVERYONE IS GOING TO WANT TO TORRENT.
Please get out now.
i dont think this is the best thing in the world, trust me, i HAVE seen way better machinima. a close friend of mine does alot better than i do. but i still think this is a fun idea.
Taoryu said it better than i could apparently. look for his post on here ;)
outside of that, i dont see a reason to come on here looking for trouble calling people moron and all that. o.O
Cownugget did a similar sort of thing with his CDs in case stuff was ever leaked from them. Watermarked every individual image with a per-customer watermark, in some way shape or form.
ill be around more in a couple weeks, less, i promise :<
no way in hell I'd ever buy this
then be sure to make sure that the creators of all things you dont enjoy, know that you infact, dont enjoy it and wont buy it ^^
but ok ^^
I was under the impression you were going to make this available for download, anyway, which makes asking for my home address outrageous.
I don't see what you hope to gain anyway. I already see several ways around your brilliant scheme, and all it takes is one single person clever enough to elude you and this was all for naught. once one person has unleashed this upon bittorrent, nobody else will need to.
spend less time demonizing your potential customer base and more time making a product people want to buy.
isnt that supposed to be "if"?
your logic is making no sense O.o
every copy gets marked. no descrimination ":}
and no this sint being put up for download. its something you get by mail. and this isnt some elaborate scheme.
and if someone takes the risk and doesnt get caught, kudos to them :)
i prefer staying right where i am. not getting a phone call while im trying to enjoy arcade fun with my friends O.o
we all worked together to make this stuff. no it isnt free. dont like it? tough. ive been polite enough ;)
when it was copyrighted several identification methods were explained to me. most of which went over my head. i also suggested an additional one. and since it was my suggestion, somehow that requird me to anounce it here ;)
you dont like that either? tough :D
people can bitch and moan all they want, and opi and i will still continue to make this stuff for the people who think its fun :)
people can pirate it and whether they get caught or not, opi and i will still b spending our time making this stuff for the people who think its fun. but more importantly, for our own fun :D
Wow. Nice mixed signals there, you fucking moron.
Your half-baked copy protection scheme is just like all the other DRM schemes out there -- it treats legitimate customers like criminals while doing nothing to stop the savvy pirates from getting their hands on what they want.
then lick it some ;)
theres nothing you can do to utterly stop piracy. doesnt mean im gonna make it easy ;)
you dont like it? too fag for joo! <3
love your character pic btw, hot stuff, jessicas work always looks good ":}~
then lick it some ;)"
D: wait. can i get some of that? :x
if you don't care if someone doesn't get caught, why are you bothering in the first place? this is monumentally insulting and you act like it's some cute game you're playing. I don't care that you want to be paid for something you made; good for you. I care that you are treating your honest paying customers like thieves.
stop trying to distract from the issue with "lol cheap furries". I buy music; I buy games; I buy DVDs. when the seller will not let me buy its product without forcing me to falsely admit I was planning on giving it away, I do not buy it. the end.
and no, it's tough for you. you're slapping your potential customers in the face. you don't want my money? tough. I will spend it elsewhere. you are not exactly providing something critically important to my survival.
you sure have a funny definition of polite. almost everything I've read here is dripping with scorn, thinly veiled under an avalanche of emotes. you come across as terribly full of yourself. just fyi, while we're on this whole consumer relations thing. maybe you should fire your lawyer and hire a PR guy.
You say you buy games - I assume software games. Have you ever read through what the EULA says before you clicked on "I Agree" in order to proceed and play your game? It also assumes so much that you are going to do something illegal with the game (such as distribute it to others for free) that you don't even own what you have just bought! You only own the right to use it as long as you don't do anything illegal with it.
Welcome to the 21st Century. Where technology and property rights have evolved so far but human morals and decency have devolved even further.
Yeah, because copyright isn't a broken system in need of an overhaul, right? I mean, it's not like people abuse the DMCA to get content taken down that they dislike! It's not like Disney pushes for a copyright extension every time Mickey Mouse comes close to becoming a public domain character! It's not like many lay people fundamentally misunderstand the basic concept of copyright and act like it should be a welfare system instead of an incentive to create new works!
Oh, wait.
it's even against SL's TOS since you're using their engine, fyi.
if at least it was free and open to evryone to see your job ,and admire the eploit of making sl porn yeah, otherwise it's just pointless.
that really killed me
but look at it this way , if some one post it and his copy got around you will
rip his ass off but what about the copy that would go around on the net!?
someone gets caught redistrubuting, they get in trubb;le for it. as for the copys that already got out and spread around? nothing can be done about it and it isnt worth my time to care :)
It's shit like this that makes me refuse to pay for it ^^
Spore all over again.
but im not doing anything different than any other adult film. just copyrighting my work.
dont see how thats so bad ;)
The lengths you are going to are just utter bullshit though.
The thing about spore is after you BUY it, you're only allowed to install it three times.
That's right, three installs, that's it. Then you have to call EA and beg them for more installs.
This is similar in the way that it is SO desperate to block piracy, you are pushing potential customers away by treating them like criminals.
there are other methods that are being used that i dont know much about. i dont see exactly what makes me a bad guy. only thing im doing is embedding my watermark in the films ":}~
but its your opinion you have every right to it. just dont judge so easily ;)
as foir spore, only being able to install it 3 times is kind of silly. though i still am not sure exactly what spore is. however thats besides the point, no matter what it is, i personally still find it kinda silly.
as for me im not "desparate to stop piracy". just sat with my lawyer and he said "ok we need to do 1 2 3 4 and 5". and i said "hey i spoke to a couple ex employers, and they said i could also do 6, is that correct? :)"
all ive done is sit down and fill out paperwork. i wrote down my signature and initials so many times those two days it isnt even funny.
so chill out man. putting at fbi warning at the begining of my film, and hidden watermarks, doesnt cost you anything ":}~
though i can totally see how quickly furs start a storm since they are used to getting all their pronz for free. ":}
this wasnt unexpected ;)
Right off the bat, you're telling potential customers that you view them as some form of criminals. Not even Bernal does that, and he's the biggest son of a bitch in the furry community when it comes to litigation and/or DMCA threats.
At the moment, Jeremy Bernal is better than you. I have never made that claim about anyone before, and I don't think I'll ever do it again, so I hope you appreciate the gravity of that statement.
your opinion means the world to me <3
Then again, given your lack of proper grammar and spelling, I doubt you're capable of thinking above a sixth-grade level, so I won't hold my breath waiting.
DO NOT PASS GO
DO NOT COLLECT $200
you might be able to mix up the sceens a bit or add a pixle setup someplace but i asure you someone will call yoru bluff by comparing downlaods.
Stop acting like an asswhole be glad of any cash you get and shut the fuck up befor you piss off the fandom your trying to sell to and they go someplace els for there pronz
PS folks it costs a small fortune to file a full C&D along with a fringe request. were taling to the tune of a cuple grand.
if he has that much loos cash to toss around willy nilly he'd atleast be using all custom sets
on a privet island insted of ontop Furnation Vista IN THE SAND BOX!
Hell if he had that kinda cash and overhead to do what he's asking he'd have to do it in an outside 3d rendering program period compleatly done up in max or maya or similer program
sorry for shitting on your parade but your im a copyright shit pised me off
and consider this a formal request
I here by request your trade mark number case file and all copyright documentation regarding the fore menchend company name and phrase. including the name and location of the Cort and adjudication power that granted this copyright and or trademark.
That means the name of the judge or panel of judges that aproved your copyright along with there names and the name of the court house and address of sed cort. it's all linked to the copyright number and or trademark request petition you say you own.
If not, what am I missing?!? SHOW ME THE FUZZ!
<- had higher expectations.
im getting constant lulz time for this and their all bickering like kids as usual x3
their heklping me advertise ":}
hey always remind me of a girl from this BAD movie called "poltergeist 3". the girl toward the begining with big glasses who sat shotgun in her moms minivan. that pretty much sums up these tards XD
look it up baby ;)
call me today! we miss you! <3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzju.....eature=related
0:30, 2:37, and 4:15 XD
Ganny: Hey I made this nifty video, it has a copyright so I have to say it has a copyright on it no sweat
its that simple buy it, fap, enjoy, the end
all this drama because his ordained to say these a copyright if ppl see it as a giant bulls eye thats them not him
end of story
The "copyright protection" scheme Ganador's come up with here is (as I've mentioned above) nothing more than an attempt to make potential customers feel like criminals before they buy his product, and (as I've mentioned above) such plans almost always result in angry customers and piracy running rampant no matter what.
Don't believe me? Ask the people who bought those CDs from Sony with the rootkits on them a few years back. Ask the people who legitimately bought Spore and found out about the SecuROM installation it put on their system. Ask anyone who's got DRM'd iTunes tracks and are being forced to pay 40 cents a track to upgrade them to non-DRM'd versions.
Copyright protection and DRM is a joke. And this scheme is an even bigger joke.
if this isnt butthurt i dont know what is. i need your home adress to send this stuff to you, copyright or not. though im not sure where this "you dare ask for all of my personal info!" comes from. i dont need your social security number to know where to mail this stuff ;) and not using p.o. boxes is my choice. so is making a "no resale" part of the contract of buying. which is perfectly legal and entirely up to me :P
pick at it all you want and complain all you want. request info and say "pics or it didnt happen" all you want. till your itty bitty fruffy fwace turns blue :)
this copyright is kinda turning out to be like my mr2. whether you beleive it exists or not, whether i show you pics and videos or not, whether you bitch and moan your hearts out or not, it doesnt change the fact that its still sitting in my driveway, looking right back at me through the window :D
whatever personal issues you have with copyrighting, your tryin to take out on me it seems. and im honestly enjoying the show.
you came here and got all roudy, with an attitude, you honestly expect my response to be to try and make sense with you and talk logic in a civilized manner? do you really expect me to care what you think or say? or respect your feedback?
no matter what the subject is, if you come to me incorectly, i dont give you any respect. and if you really think your bitching and cursing people out, is in any way displaying inteligent argument, or affecting me in a way that would make me delete a journal, block you, or "call an admin". you really dont know me o.O
ive never changed my name, number, deleted a journal, or anything of that sort, in my ENTIRE life. look it up. ask anyone on lulz. and find out for yourself. even the other little angry fennecs there will verify this for you ;)
fennecs: when they are unhappy.. they scream horribly
when they are happy.. they scream horribly
*lazily swats at you with croc fingers and falls back to sleep*
First-Sale Doctrine says you can't do that. If you sell a DVD of your product to a person legally, they legally own that DVD and they can legally sell it/give it away to another person without repercussions. Like I said -- if you're going to play e-lawyer, do a better job of researching the role first.
request info and say "pics or it didnt happen" all you want.
I've seen the pics, and I think you're ugly on top of being a smug, egotistical asshole.
this copyright is kinda turning out to be like my mr2. whether you beleive it exists or not
I have never once said that I believe your copyright on the Peach Fuzz videos doesn't exist. Maybe if you put a little more effort into some basic reading comprehension, you'd realize that I said I disagree with the copyright system as it stands these days. I don't believe copyright should be used in several of the ways it's being used today, but I do believe in the fundamental protections and functions of the copyright system and that the system itself should be overhauled to adapt to the modern era of information sharing.
whatever personal issues you have with copyrighting, your tryin to take out on me it seems.
Only because your copy protection scheme is overtly horrendous and retarded.
you came here and got all roudy, with an attitude, you honestly expect my response to be to try and make sense with you and talk logic in a civilized manner? do you really expect me to care what you think or say? or respect your feedback?
Any sensible person would do that. Even if the feedback you receive is boisterous, insulting, and rude, you accept it and look past the insults and shitslinging to find the root of the complaint. Then you address the complaint in whatever manner you wish (and civilized responses work much better than saying "Fuck you").
If you really think this is a good idea, you should defend it against all attacks. You should be able to answer all questions about it and explain how you believe it won't impact your ability to do business. You should be able to explain just how it will allow you to efficiently mass-produce the product in question (since, on its face, it seems like it's going to make mass-production of the product very hard to do, and then you're fucked when a massive amount of orders come in and you can't send all of them out in a timely manner). You shouldn't have to hide behind a facade of "LOL DON'T CARE GO FUCK YOURSELF"; addressing everyone's doubts to a reasonable degree would do a much better job of shutting people up.
dunno where you were raised, but i dont owe you anything. period :)
"(and civilized responses work much better than saying "Fuck you")"
arent you contradicting yourself? O.o you came here with an attitude, and expect a civilized response.
then have the nerve to tell me if i have an attitude, i shouldnt get a civilized response O.o
not that im expcting you to make sense ;)
and yes the more dickly you get, the more smug ill be.
"First-Sale Doctrine says"
like i said this isnt a debate. go fight the power somewhere else. since 1976 there have been alot of open loopholes to the way contracts are made in this subject. and im not "e-lawyer". or any type of lawyer. it isnt my job to explain this kinda stuff to you, nor do i know how. thats my lawyers area of expertise. i just do what im told when it comes to that subject. if he said 'you cant do this and that cuz of first sale doctrine" then id be agreeing with you right now :)
but i wont change what im doing or saying, until he does first.
"addressing everyone's doubts to a reasonable degree would do a much better job of shutting people up."
not sure if you noticed, but there have been just a couple people here who had negative things to say, or questions and so on. and private notes as well. they disagree and or ask questions. but they do it without being an angry little fennec like you. thats why they get civilized responses from me. i answer their qustions to the best of my knowledge and pay attention to what they have to say. there isnt anything wrong with disagreeing with something, or explaining why you feel you dislike a product. as long as you do it civil, without the name calling and ranting and such. this is obviously personal for you, and derived fromn an anger that existed before you even knew i existed.
in closing, id like to say: "LOL DON'T CARE GO FUCK YOURSELF"
<3
"addressing everyone's doubts to a reasonable degree would do a much better job of shutting people up."
i officially stated it before but ill say it again incase your oversized ears are clogged: i really dont care if people shut the fuck up or not. go nuts please by all means ^^
If someone replies to me in a civilized manner, it won't matter how I replied -- that person replied to me in a civil manner and ends up looking better in the long run that I do. If they sink down to my level and start insulting me, they look just as bad as I do.
Let it never be said I act rational and civil 100% of the time. I don't deny it, and I never will. What would be the point?
since 1976 there have been alot of open loopholes to the way contracts are made in this subject.
And yet it's the same court decision that's stood since 1908 that sets the First Sale Doctrine above your "contracts". The US courts (specifically, the case NEBG, LLC v. Weinstein Company Holdings, LLC) have upheld that buyers of retail DVDs in the United States are free to sell / exchange / rent / lend them to others without repercussions. Your product would be a retail DVD, and no matter what your (e-)lawyer says, no contract can violate the First Sale Doctrine, since it's a right that's been afforded to all consumers since 1908.
there isnt anything wrong with disagreeing with something, or explaining why you feel you dislike a product. as long as you do it civil, without the name calling and ranting and such.
So if my complaints are laden with profanities and crude language, they're somehow "wrong" or "invalid"? Nuh-uh, I don't think so, assfucker. Just because I complain with language some may find offensive doesn't make my complaints any less valid -- it just makes people less liable to pay attention to them and more liable to write them off as pissant rantings.
i really dont care if people shut the fuck up or not. go nuts please by all means
So you don't care if a legitimate potential customer posts legit, actual questions about your criminalization databas--I mean, copy protection scheme on this journal? You'll just let them sit there and watch their questions go unanswered while you tell them to fuck off back to Lulz? Wow, you really are a dick.
It's funny that a movie made using such a contemporary medium is being pushed out with one the most ridiculous IP protection schemes I've ever heard of. Digital content can't be encapsulated, regardless of whether a single individual or two will get fucked with legal fees --there's one billion people using the internet now. This seems more motivated by being vindictive than anything else. Also, far few people will buy it.
Don't copy that floppy!
I can't tell if they are addicted to debating or bitching.
And the angry comments because he put some legal crap in it... kinda looks like a pack of possible offenders to me. O.o
But who am I to say anything about other peep's debates and/or bitchings. I got bored of reading them less than half way down the page...~
It'll happened. They do it with comics they'll do it with videos.
Also lol at all the whiners & bitchers so far.
Hope the best of luck to your business I'll do my best to support it rather then whine & bitch like most so far. |:
Internet Drama for the win!
im not some huge cooperate buisness. opi and i are just a couple guys with lemonaid stand O.o
...porn flavored lemonaid <.<
i wa always sure this would get pirated. most of the people calling it crap are actually fapping to it in secret. but isnt that the way it always is? ;)
its not big deal in the end. as usual, while their bitching and got me on their mind, im having fun with friends and certainly dont got them on my mind ;)
No.
or just a bunch o favs? ;)
maybe its just me o.O
And how's that relevant?
Also, porn flavored lemonade. I'm afraid to taste that..
It seems like it's one of your better works.
no human porn on FA. not the irl kind anyway :P
Hey Ganador, heres a little tip: If you actually wanted this to somehow work, it would have likely been a better idea not to scream "HEY GUYS THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I'M PROTECTING MY VIDEOS RIGHT HERE" for people to look for and go around.
There are a lot of things wrong with this...of course I don't expect you to admit them, but regardless:
1. Furries tend to be private people. A lot of furfags don't mix their fandom and the rest of their life...they won't give you their real address. You get less money.
2. People in general don't like having their personal data stored, let alone one that can be tracked back to a porn movie...let ALONE one as weird as this..... LET ALONE data that can be used to sue them. You get less money.
2a. All you need to do is pick a random copy of this "movie" and throw it online and you can sue the shit out of someone. They don't even NEED to pirate it, you could easily frame them. Not saying you would (I have my doubts), but the fact its possible and you could get away with it makes people weary, so they don't buy. You lose more money.
3. 10+ people from a piracy group buy copies using false info. Oh my, you get money! What you don't get however is the money from the movie they make out of it, mixing their copies together to put all your "signs" into a single film, or possibly remove them all together, and all the signs remain lead back to false addresses or stolen russian debt cards. You lose a lot of money.
4. People make a personal effort to pirate this for the reason you're being snobby about it and you say its impossible. *Never* say someone can't get away with piracy, that is seen by some as a challenge. People download that copy for that same reason. You lose a LOT of money.
4a. People download it out of pure spite. You lose no money because they wouldn't have bought it anyway.
...Where exactly did you see the good in this plan? All aggressive anti-piracy does is make someone look bad. Bernal is, again, a good example of that. I hardly hear of SexyFur anymore because people just don't like him, but I hear about Club Strips constantly, a site that is known for its lax attitude of site-rips.
This will not end well....for you, anyway.
im not going through huge lengths as some people may think. trolls as always, turn this into something it isnt ;)
the ones bitching the most, being the most buthurt ":}
as i said before, it doesnt bother me if mu art gets pirated. if you do it and dont get caught, awsome! good for you. if you do get caught? too bad.
either way i dont lose sleep :)
as taoryu put it: me and opi and friends are making these films, its copyrighted, and since one of the methods of ident doesnt belong to them, they said i gotta anounce it.
you see it as a challenge? not my fault ;)
Please tell us again why you had to explain your scheme here? Because I don't think there's any real legal basis for having to post something about that criminalization databa--I mean, copy protection scheme here.
there are multiple methods to antipiracy that are placed when copyrighting an adult film. this particular one is not part of them.
That's because what you're pushing isn't a normal adult film and your "method" (which, big surprise, is something you thought of) is so asinine and retarded that no one else who produces rendered porn would even think of using it. Oh, and FYI, antipiracy =/= copyrighting something. If you're going to throw about the term "copyright", at least do a little research into what it is and how it works and what its benefits and drawbacks are.
im not going through huge lengths as some people may think.
You're claiming that you're going to rerender an individual scene for each individual DVD of that scene in order to add/remove various things in the scene as "markers" for each DVD. I think you're going to greater lengths than you think.
the ones bitching the most, being the most buthurt
I don't give a shit about you as a human being (and from what I hear, you're a pretty horrible one), and I don't give a shit about Peach Fuzz. I'm just amazed at your astronomically large retardation.
as taoryu put it: me and opi and friends are making these films, its copyrighted, and since one of the methods of ident doesnt belong to them, they said i gotta anounce it.
...the fuck? That doesn't make any goddamned sense at all. Can someone who can actually type above an elementary school level explain this?
Nice. Is anyone else surprised at Ganny's dodging?
It's actually quite a clever way of tracing illegally made copies, if I do say so, myself. If they are as subtle as you claim, (and I'm not doubting it, for a second), there's no way to tell what's a marker and what isn't. It would take a dozen copies, analyzed frame by frame to even attempt to crack something like that. And frankly, anyone willing to put that much time and effort into it, deserves being hit with the full force of the law.
I don't know if I'm going to order anything from Peach Fuzz or not. For one thing, right now, my computer isn't anywhere near being able to run something that complex. Plus, I'd basically be paying for something, sight unseen, and depending on how much you're planning on charging for these, it might be a significant financial gamble. That's all in the future though, for now. One thing I am dying to know though. Did you really work in the adult film industry, IRL?
knowledge of 48 year old man who has been working in the adult industry before iw as born, VS knowledge of dumb goofy dragon with funny haircut... no contest
as for working in the adult industry irl? yes, for quite a few years. normally you find trolls posting nothing but the least complimenting stuff possible. like gay porn from back in the early 2000. but ive actually been in a variety of things. and im not ashamed of any of it. i enjoyed the job at first, then it started to tax me physically. tiring and getting yelled at alot. you also get told what to odo alot. kinda hard to exp;lain. i guess it feels like your 15 again and have a curfew and get scolded and such.
as for your computer being able to run something complex? im not sure if i understand what you mean. these are videos, that can be played in windows media player. or quicktime player as well depending on the format we render it as.
and a financial gamble? *snickers* ive had a few people contacting me privately, seeming to think we plan on charging 100+ dollars for this stuff. some people assuming 50's. and so on. i watched alot of the trolls bitching and it entertains me honestly. i didnt even bother yet to anounce what the price will be since we havent even decided.
but its going to be in the 10 to 20 dollar range ;)
you see, this is hard work, but its also fun. and we are doing it regardless of whether people enjoy it or not. because we enjoy it. hdue to peach fuzz, some real breakthroughs for secondlife in general have been made.
and even though i dont see peach fuzz as a source of income, i still feel it be nice if people helped us pay for th cost of its creation. beleive me, expenses are involved in making this stuff. o.O
but in the end i beleive those who wanna help keep it going will buy it. any support we get helps. as for piracy? im not gonna kill msyelf chasing after silly jeuveniles who constantly shit a brick everytime i liuft a finger and remind them i exist. eidting the renders each time for someone new is a heck pof alot easier than people think. i guess maybe its a vry difficult task in their eyes? to me this is easy stuff o.O otherwise i wouldnt bother. im lazy ;)
and they seem to think is some great accomplishment to "beat your scheme rar!". there is no scheme. just me saying "cool i didnt know this was how it worked. even though you have those4 or 5 methods youll be using on my stuff already, can i add one? i had a cool idea :D"
thats it ":}
p.s. i like your icon its ot a good expression ^^
As for the adult industry stuff, I was mostly curious. If I need any specific background info on the subject, it's nice to have a real person I can ask. I actually have a character on perpetual loan from another artist, who is an adult film star. As far as my personal opinion of you, I'm far too open minded to let that change a thing.
My icon is from a $20 sketch commission, you can find the full version here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1175055/
On the odd chance you want one of your own, check her journal, around the end of the month. She really did do an exquisite job, really catching my fursona. It's one of the prizes of my collection.
If he was planning on just selling a few copies, sure, it'd be something of a neat idea. But I get the feeling Ganny's going to be trying to sell these DVDs in numbers that are larger than single digits, so it's going to make the entire process time consuming and costly if he plans on rerendering an individual scene for each individual DVD he sells. And in that case, it's not clever, it's just utterly stupid.
http://images.epilogue.net/users/bc.....67/twoface.jpg
You might want to watch out for this case, too,
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/.....e-gauntlet.ars it could set a strong precedent for counter-claims against your overzealous "making an example of" legal threats.
*as my lawyer requested.* ,,, Let me stop you right there.
I don't think you have a lawyer enjoy your envelopes.
Ganador taking his retarded projects too seriously isn't anything new.
its just me copyrighting our work. something i normally do. however for video instead of paper ive used other resources available to me that i never had use for.
i have to once again repeat myself saying: this is not as much trouble as people think. not for me. period.
as far as piracy goes ill once again repeat that: you cant stop piracy, at least in my opinion. but that doesnt mean im gonna make it easy.
this is not dmca, althoguh i will register with them too since someone said it would be a good idea. this is more heavy than that, it is standard title 17. in cooperation with INTERPOL and DSR. which really wouldnt have meant anythin to me when copyrighting art on paper.
and its not as hard to do as people think.
nor is the extra little ident method that i though would be a neat idea.
i hope that answeres your question. but just to be direct: no im not sadistic, thats silly. thats like saying i smoke weed, or saying im impolite. or saying i dont like sex. you got the wrroooonnnnng dragon ;)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT IS SOME FUNNY ASS SHIT RIGHT THERE. "DMCA" is not an organization, you cocksucking jackass -- it's a law; specifically, it's the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which is widely considered to be one of the worst laws ever enacted in United States history. While some of the things it does are good, many of them are horrifically awful. (For instance: under the DMCA, it's legal for someone to make a backup of a DVD they own, but since DVDs are copy protected, and circumventing copy protection is illegal under the DMCA, it's technically illegal for someone to make a backup copy of a DVD.) It's also the law that Jeremy Bernal used to sue cho0b, and what he's most famous for throwing at people to get them to take down SexyFur art so that they don't get sued. (And gee, what do you know? Bernal's now considered to be a gigantic asshole because of his uptight copyright protectionism!)
It's all well and good to protect your assets. It's even better when you can do so without looking like a complete asshole.
Right now, you're looking like an idiot for saying that for people to buy your product, they have to submit their personal information to a personal database so you can sue them in case they use their legit First Sale Doctrine rights, give their copy of your work to someone else, and that recipient places it on the 'Net for all to see. (Oh, and apparently, you're trying to make them give up their First Sale Doctrine rights, too.)
Your plan is such a gigantic load of bullshit that I'm honestly surprised more people haven't decided to pass on your product because of it. You're intending to criminalize people, and you think you can do it without having to worry about showing up in court or having to do any work (especially as it pertains to rerendering scenes just to take out/put in those special "markers").
Fuck you for insulting everyone's intelligence.
another huge paragraph when nobody was talking to you. seeya :)
and i "bother" because that was the agreement i made with my friends. its not even as much of a "bother" as people may think.
Requiring customers to waive their first-sale doctrine rights?
You just lost yourself a customer.
where is by mail. ":}~
what happens is someone gets fined. a sepena is issued for the person that the federals name and if they do not show then a warrant is issued for their arrest. in court there is no back and forth unless a lawyer is hired by the accused to attempt proving that their client did notcommit the offense. these proceedings so far are payed for by the state or province in which the offender resides. and the fine they pay goes into the pocket of said state, not mine. i receive nothing from these proceedings.
however sueing for damages is something that would cost money out of my pocket, and would be a longer more complicated event.
to answer your question about who is penalized, the person doing the uploading is the only one, and it is up to my lawyer to figure and decide whether the site that was uploaded to can also be penalized.
anyone who has downloaded the video from the site after being uploaded by the offender, cannot be touched in any way. so if one guy uploads a video, and 20 guys download it. those 20 guys cannot be penalized in any way shape or form. unless i were to go out of my way to sue for damages. which requires proving alot of things and a whole bigger mess.
the only person penalized is the one doing the uploading, and possibly the site it was uploaded to.
the sepena is whats given to web sites to force them to disclose all the info on the patron who offended, totally different definition. :)