Well that's downright stupid...if you're gonna make an RPG-ish game, you need a deep story (while I appreciate what they did with the story as is, I would like to see it expanded better, plus faction quests are nice.)

They could always FIX the problems and add the removed stuff back into the game, it's not impossible (talking FREE UPDATES btw.) Although I suppose that's proof while I, as well as many others that got the game on launch, should've been skeptical with Activision publishing...they suffocated Bungie too much. we KNOW Bungie can write and make really good games (I'm looking at you, Halo 3)..it's a shame Activision suffocated them where Destiny couldn't be made the way it was supposed to.

Like I've said before, Destiny's not too bad, it's fairly good, but..yeah..this also explains some of the stuff revealed in a recent bug thing.


One last thing, while it could be just as much Bungie's fault, i'm blaming Activision, because, they're almost EA-level evil.

Agreed, we may get the story back.. $10 a mission.

I wouldn't go QUITE that far..but I could see several more "expansion" packs to add back missing storylines, like for the factions and such. (that also would've made it easier and more fun to actually get faction-related stuff without having to sacrifice other factional reputation)

How much patching would it take to put all that back in.

depending on the size of the patches, a year or so I'd say, that is regularly adding new stuff maybe monthly. I didn't say it would be quick and easy :p

If you fire them, they'll just find their way back into a place of power.

Cut off their eyes.

Agreed. I watched the E3 videos about this, heard a few good things from some people I know, and then when it came out, they said it was absolutely nothing like how the game was depicted... I think game companies are trying to make things less complicated again, almost like they're afraid to challenge the gamer. No game needs to be CoD, it's a game that is like putting two mirrors face to face, you see more of those mirrors, but they all show basically the same thing... A mirror, but with a few changes here or there like color or what's around the mirror.

it's because they are trying to baby the gamer, which in my view is the stupidest thing to do, and if it's not that then they are doing the typical activision and sending out expansions (earlier stated) to milk as much money out of a game that should have been top notch to begin with so that we can have a satisfying game, activision ruins everything they touch in my oppinion

Couldn't agree more. In all honesty, Activision has become a corporation run by and owned by the same people that try to make polititions. They aren't in it for the people, they're in it for the money, just like EA. I think the only sensable (and I emphasize I think) is Valve. They get a percentage from games and/or items from Steam, plus they don't charge for DLC for any of their games, it's all given right from box. Only game you could say has something like that is Team Fortress 2, and even then that's just from a demo version to full version. Even Nintendo is slowly working into the whole DLC bs, but I don't think anything that they're adding to Hyrule Warriors is really story enhancing. May have some weapons, skins, and modes to play, but I don't think there will be much in the realm of story, if at all.

that's because nintendo isn't doing that game, they are overseeing use of their characters (and some story things), the makers of dynasty warriors are doing all the work pretty much lol

stupid yolo swag cod players ruined everything that is video games....its so sad

I swear I saw a screenshot or a brief clip of spaceship combat some time ago... If I'm not delusional, then I would bet that was one of the cut features...

It's sad, because the potential was there for an amazing story... Instead it felt more rushed than the original Mass Effect 3 ending...

Probably did.

the truly sad part is if they hadn't cut parts out, it would probably one of the best selling games of all time.... activision destroys dreams guys, that's all there is to it

I'm not convinced this is entirely Activision's fault, but I'm not saying they had nothing to do with it. >_>

PC gaming master race!

Joking, joking, but I feel glad that I don't own something that can play destiny and can give the game a full pass. By the time I ever get a PissFour or Xbone the game will be either dead or established and not shit. Looking at Smash Bros. and Borderlands Pre-Sequel for some fun times in October.

Also, Bun, we should pick a night for some Borderlands 1 playing :)

The beginning vision sounded amazing!

All the E3s were shown like that.

It's a shame that they couldn't keep that.

they could have, but activision wants money without spending it, and thus have screwed another game to fail with most hardcore players

That's why it's such a shame.

trust me, I'm right there with you, because with how I've heard it is, I won't even think of getting it...

I don't see how any of that is a shock really o.o

Still depressing.

Indeed. Then again I'v had people be like, "ZOMG YOU SHOULD BUY IT! IT'S LIKE HALO COMBINED WITH BORDERLANDS!" To which I gave them a blank stare. Then again when I say I rather wait for Borderlands for a good multiplayer experience I get. "ZOMG COLONIAL MARINES WAS A PIECE OF SHIT! I'M NEVER BUYING FROM GEAR BOX EVER AGAIN EVER!" Like it was their fault exclusively.

Unfortunately it REALLY shows with Destiny, a ton of the characters and locations seen in the trailers never showed up, and there was clearly some shakeup with the loot system....seeing as how Bungie originally pitched Exotics as “unique, legendary weapons with their own history and backstory” ....and now it pans out to “I got lucky with this yellow engram or had enough strange coins to buy one from the weekend vendor.”

bingo.

A lot of content is locked away in the maps. The planets map keys reveal it.

Map Keys?

Dudebro cunts will be the death of the gaming industry, and I blame microsoft for making them a target audience.

I know microsoft probably isn't the only one to do this, I just already have a hateboner for them, why not stroke it?

Yea

The people who killed the video game industry are the idiots who bought PotatoBoxes ones, Pissfours and WeeYous.

I'm not soo sure about that, I mean at the very least nintendo seems to be trying to do something new and original, sony and microsuck seem content to rip off nintendo and harp on and on about graphics.

Nintendo and original in the same sentence, lol.

Pokemans: more of the same, Mario Platformer Word Salad 18, original.

Me and others knew it all along, this game could of been more and we figured it was activision or bungie. We deserved more.

God I love that bouncy butt.
However yes... I think it was both.

>w>' I've talked to your afew times before you just noticed?... Anyways yes I was told this game was big, a halo rpg... But because of patching for farming/ non eventful events with pointless existence we are all at a stand point with non existent shards and pointless engrams and a diminishing glimmer supply until our new promised update >w>' if that would fix our boredom of this game.

Yep.

I love the expectation of the game, supposed to last 10 years, we are getting bored after 3-5 weeks after launch.

Reading this I was like wow thats just low and this is why I didnt buy HALO 2.0 thats all it is. Today games are starting to become money makers and are losing the ability to tell a story or have a great experience and this is happening on consoles and PC.
This is one of the reasons the gaming industry is going to crash, you can say its not but It will it has before and it will again.
And just like I always say
" When a video game becomes a by product of the gaming industry's capitalistic system it will become a monopoly the eyes of the consumer no longer a gamer."

Today's games are like Films in the 40s and 50s.

It wasn't about plot and development.. it was about flooding the market asap to keep the audience slow and in a state of haze from the rush of media.
Sure a few gems come out now and then, but it's after shifting through piles of crap.

EXACTLY!!! This is the reason the industy is going to crash. There are games that just keep coming out and there just the same thing just wiped clean and made too look different and you have to remeber the gamers wont be suffering by themselfs the economy will to and so will the employees of large video game companys. When the market tanks they will be laid off and so many people will loose there jobs. Its a double edged sword that will cut everything in its path.

True enough. Hate to say it but the industry seems to ebb and flow every few years. There was a huge flood of shit games in the early '80s, which was only corrected once the 8- and 16- bit systems hit their stride. At the end of their lives, you got a handful of god-tier games (Vectorman, Chrono Trigger etc) buried under a wave of shovelware. Persona 4 hit the PS2 in 2008, at the end of that system's life, and it far exceeded most of the 'casual' games of theoretically superior systems. Brute-force system firepower can't compensate for a lack of worldbuilding. Casuals and dudebros are going to be a fact of life, they mean profit. One can only hope that some of that profit gets cycled back into true games for true gamers.

Full disclosure: I only have an 'inferior' PS2 and PS3, and do not have Destiny.

imma get a gamecube and start playing some games with real story, screw the new systems, they all seem to suck (maybe the wii U if the new bros isn't bad, and maybe pikmin 3)

What throws me is that the epic space-opera MMORPGFPS thing was what was driving all the hype over the game in the first place. Without it, it's just a generic spacey FPS. I'm guessing whoever handed down this order from on high has at some point said, "You know what the World Cup needs? More golf carts!"

Lol, the real reason Destiny is a shit game is because they downgraded everything to make it run on the outdated next gen consoles that can't even do full hd on most games in 2014



Lol.

Well the PS4 has run most at 1080p.. Xb1.. not so much.

I think it was downgraded to support the Dudebro, FPS, ESPORTSD crowd.

1080p doesn't count when it's upscaled or interleaved or not even getting stable fps somewhere above 30.

And no, it has nothing to do about the esport crowd. Console esport is an hilarious joke at best.

Yea, that was total bs about ShadowFall MP.

Nobody will believe me on this one, but I listened to Yahtzee's review of E3 whenever Destiny was announced and I simply said "No. No way the company responsible for Halo will be able to pull this off properly."

Said it years ago, turns out I was right. Christ I hate being right so much :C

I know exactly how you feel Marbles. It's no wonder you feel cheated and
pretty disgusted with the whole thing. From the sounds of it, the management
pretty much gutted all the really fun stuff, and dumbed down the rest until
to the level of the lowest common denominator. And you've always been
many things Marbles, but several sandwiches short of a picnic was never
one of them.

It really does irritate me to no end, when companies do that to a loyal
and much valued fan base. It's like the management at these companies
just decided they no longer give a damn about quality and content. All
they care about is that their product flies off the shelf, and they can
take a bath in thousand dollar bills. To people like you and me, who
desire something broad of scope and complex enough to actually
need some serious thinking, it's like being handed cotton candy,
when we asked for Thanksgiving Dinner.

I blame Activision.

Thanks alot dude bros, once again ruining a potential awesome game because your brains cant process good story and your fingers itch to desperately kill everything on screen

So you feel and see it too.

I still want to enjoy doing the raids in destiny but nope that wont happen since they dont have a proper ingame guild function.

Sadly, the corporate meat-head that gave the order to gut the game will more likely get a bonus and/or promotion instead of getting fired.

Isnt this the same thing that happened to mass effect3?
Nooooooooooo!
Why was this done!?

ME3 had the writers leave, the rest was still pretty much there.

Very true...
You think I should still get it on the 360?
I heard if you get it digitally on the xbox you get the One version for free

I still think the games not bad it was just over hyped and peoples high expectations is what kinda sunk it a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmaDsl1I39k

Am I annoyed by this - if it's true? Yup.

Am I still enjoying Destiny? Yup.

and just more reason why I'm waiting for PC version.

idk I kind of agree with the devs. I mean, I love story and plot in my games but I don't want to get bogged down in it to the point where it feels like Im playing Metal gear Solid 4 again. But that's sort of
the can of worms you open up with that train of thought which could possibly lead to your game feeling short and the player feeling unfulfilled. All in all, I had fun with Destiny (who the hell doesn't have fun fighting an alien menace on the garden world of Venus?), I just wish there was more to it.

I would say that this is real, it seems legit and everything.

I still play destiny daily, I do agree they should have sold us what they promised too, and not cut it up into dlc, but eh, it's a solid game that just lacks story, so if they would fix that the. I think I'd be fine, also, cryptarch's a troll, a massive massive troll

Personally, I believe it. I think that it makes a lot of sense, and would explain most of the things that just don't make sense. As far as it goes, though, there's an easy test. Just check the disk, and see if what's supposedly there is there.

OMG it just gets funnier and funnier! XD

Fuck, I... I can't stop... laughing... so... hard...

Bungie you fucking retards! XD


They were so sure, they were so up themselves and the WHOLE TIME they weren't just face-planting, but mining into the pavement with their faces like heavy duty drills!!!! My god... oh, wow... just... XD

I... I can't breathe... laughing... too hard...

just to say, I fucking hate activision, they have taken every game I ever expected to be good and it has ALWAYS been ten times lower then even my lowest expectations...

I feel bad. Like crying.
To hear that someone was so commitesd to this game and was over ruled into making a shit game.
And to hear its all on disc?
Damn... thats all I CAN say...

I knew that stories would start coming out from disenfranchised devs. A disappointment of this magnitude and this budget doesn't happen without some serious screw ups behind the scene.

I think this is more along the lines of a false leak. The company spent a lot of money tailoring up the worlds we have already, and there is only so much their servers can support without cracking under the pressure of everyone loading different content for different areas. They always said they had a 10 year plan for the game, which is probably where they are going to bring in all the story from the script they have over time and give us new strikes, raids, and grimoire cards to expand more on the story. The game was meant to be a "Shared world shooter" it was not meant to be super deep like a Bioware game, it was meant to be a game where you would experience the world, and kill things. The elements of story are there for those who want a motivation to what they do, as well as some lore to connect the world, but in terms of story, our guardians are 'late' to the game so all the story we get is "Here say" and records of dead ghosts to expand the lore of the world. Aside from that, the story is what we as characters choose to do. We were thrown into the world of Destiny kicking, screaming, and confused. And we are meant to be that way, and we are meant to piece together the story and speculate on what it means, and where we are going next.

As for there being cut missions, and story on the disk we are not allowed access to. Yes there is some, but that content is coming over time, there is a lot of content that is resolved story wise, at least partially. Like you taking out Sepkis Prime in the Cosmodrome is the end of the fallen arch on Earth for now, the Black Garden is the end of the Vex on Mars (for now). Venus gets 'resolved' with the vault of glass. The Hive are resolved kinda with the strike on the moon. All the missions, story wise, have a pretty bow on them for now, but as they say in the end, there are more enemies out there, I would venture to say all the content we want is being held back as they polish up the experience to make sure everyone is comfortable with the play mechanics.

They are already making changes to matchmaking, and making changes to fireteams and the like. I would venture to say they wanted to give all the content up to the vault of glass, just to make sure everything was working as intended, and then they plan on adding loads more in december with that expansion pack. Remember, this is a 10 year game, if they just gave us ass loads of content right away, people would drift away within those 10 years. Think of it in MMO terms, go with World of Warcraft, WoW was a HUGE open world, and you could do so much with it, but people were quitting right and left....then they release an expansion, and people flock back in droves. With Destiny, rather than blow their wad in the beginning, and have people quit for months, and wait for the expansion pack, they are doing content updates over time. Like the Queens Bounty stuff, that came out only a couple weeks after launch, and they have a long list of events they plan cycling in and out of play to keep folks interested and entertained.

Honestly there is quite a bit of credit and plausible.

Of course Bungie will deny it, they are under contract. Just like Maxis and other companies when they made huge Blunders (Sim City) or caught in lies.

I can see all the information being true, and now all the news sites are picking up this info and running with it.

I agree it might be "true" but you also have to weigh, if this is a 10 year game, that they plan on making span the life of a console, even if they have a whole "story script" that they want to unveil, it would make more sense to do it in smaller chunks like chapters in a book rather than in one lump. Take the walking dead games, they released small, hour long chunks of their game, but people weren't disappointed with that. It is totally reasonable for them to break up the story chunks to keep people interested over time, rather than throwing it all out at once, and having people burn through it rushing to 'endgame' like an MMO. It all hinges however, on if they make us pay for the small chunks of story they give out over time, or if they give it to us in small chunks every few months or so with only a server side patch and a small download. If they go the route of "Pay us $5 for the Jupiter missions! now pay us another $5 for Neptune!" they will quickly lose the trust of those who are enjoying the game how it is now.

I'm not saying that the worries of those who bought the game and find it lacking are invalid, all I am saying is, that it is too soon to call this game dead in the water, or imply we are being scammed when so far they have a timeline set for incremental updates to expand the world over time. A plan that, in my opinion, will allow them to release content in more stable chunks, with maximum polish, rather than having super buggy areas that are horrible to play through.

Well, definitely sounds like a game I won't pick up...at least not unless all the DLC they release 'fixes' it and they do some sort of "gold" version with all the DLC rolled into one.

If not, well my money can go elsewhere.

I like how some people here are saying ALL casual gamers are the scourge of the industry. I hate CoD just as much as the next person, and personally value a good story over fancy graphics and guns. But that doesn't mean I have to be a hardcore gamer and spend all my money and energy on it.

But I do agree, this sounds like a terrible fuckup by corporate greed, who's mindset today seems to be "More, Faster, I don't care what it is as long as its selling at launch". Shame really.

Sorry love.

Not your fault, it's just not everyone fits a Stereotype.

As I said, I should have said "Lowest Common Denominator" but then I think the players who do nothing but play CoD and talk about fucking moms.

Oh yes, because it would be to everyone's detriment that Dudebros better themselves in order to fit in with the crowd that's playing the hottest thing since Diablo 2.

huh??

you wrote "Bungie and Activision thought it would scare off the Dude Bro crowd of CoD because it was too complicated and indepth..". I'm saying the people who were expecting something deep now have to put up with shallow CoD'ers.

I should have said lowest common denominator.

What's the difference?

glad I missed out on this game then.

what is it with companys and wanting us to pay for what is already ours. (on disc stuff)
also, seriously. there needs to be a "Dont Rush It" system. DRI means dont make it
for some arbitrary date, do.t try to speed it up because competition... just
make it complete.

The sad thing is.....everything that was cut out...was the reason I was gonna get it. But with all that was taken out is probably why its gotten such bad reviews from actual gamers

Never really got into MMOs. I keep trying them from time to time though. :p

I tend to break off as soon as the typical kill X monsters quest begin to pop up. The entire genre feels like a theme park experience. That quest you've especially been asked to is done by a dozen more players who have all been specially asked to do the same thing. Waiting in line to kill the boss.

Many games now a days are that, run down this corridor, see this scene.. repeat.

I read DeeJ's comment (lol, u guys r being trolled kthxbai), then I read the responses. The thing that stands out most: if this is all a hoax, then one serious conclusion still stands: false advertisement.

"Embark on an epic action adventure with rich cinematic storytelling..."

Huh-what? I want some of that! What game are they selling? Oh right, that's on the product description for Destiny. >_>

Exactly, the story being told makes more sense for why the product is total shit.
Also why would a PR rep comment on this, literally feeding the trolls?

Right? It's like the core of the game is there, and that "epic story" was cut. I'm starting to think Doom (the original) had a more developed story... (Doom Bible aside)

Yep
Atleast we had a HOW and WHY

You know, I'm reminded of another Bungie game that suffered from similar false promises and cuts: Oni. I loved that game, but they had to cut out sooo much (multiplayer, weapons, levels, big boss mech battle)... And that was the end of Bungie West.

Such a shame that so many of the people who have the final word in making a game know nothing about games. They meddle in the process so much ,and at the worst times, when they would do better to just keep their mitts off and let the people who know how to make games do their damn jobs.

I've been hearing a lot about this at my home ever since Jax and Vir found out about it, as they've both been playing Destiny heavily...to the point where I can't even get online to play. XD

I don't know too much into the topic besides what you'd already covered and what they already showed me, but...yeah, it's pretty sad. Damage control or not, it's clear that a lot of dumbfuckery was afoot. Getting worried about the Halonites running away and catering more towards them instead of making something insanely badass and perhaps even drawing in a new, fresh community of gamers and fans...