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Mar 19, 2015 - FA Joins the IMVU Family [UPDATE 2]    

By Fender, a year ago
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We are proud to announce Fur Affinity has joined the IMVU (link) family. Fur Affinity (formerly a part of Ferrox Art LLC) was acquired by IMVU earlier this year in January 2015. We are looking forward to the partnership allowing both FA and IMVU to grow and foster the furry community and to celebrate its unique talents, creativity and self-expression.

As you know, IMVU has previously advertised their services to our community, which led to further discussions about the obvious overlap among our members. Both IMVU and FA community members love to socialize and connect anonymously with people from around the world with diverse backgrounds, talents, and creative histories. They both express their artistic and creative skills in a variety of ways - via artwork, storytelling, fursuiting, crafts and more! Our partnership was the natural and reasonable conclusion to bring these similar and often already connected communities together officially.

Going forward, FA will continue to operate independently but with IMVU’s support and resources to upgrade our services. We can now work on improving our infrastructure, adding more storage, making performance improvements and improved coding support to reach our full potential. As a community member, the only difference you will notice is a better, smoother experience and increased functionality of the site as time goes on.

FA started with a dream and a roll of duct tape, but grew and thrived thanks to the support of our community. We became one of the top 5,000 sites globally, 1,500 sites within the United States. The future remains bright, and together we can aim to reach even higher.

We look forward to having you continue to participate in our community, be creative, be proud, and, above all else, have fun. You are unlikely to notice any changes apart from an improved experience on the site and some added advertising.

Naturally, we understand you will have lots of questions regarding this change, and we are here to answer them. You can check the forums for the official question/answers (link). We'll be compiling a Q/A to help address concerns and response to questions!




Q: I heard/read IMVU has the right to repost my content and use it however they want?
A: "Fur Affinity is governed by the site's terms of use, not Google's, Apple's or IMVU's." - IMVU

Rest assured, IMVU is *NOT* taking FA content, redistributing it, reposting it, using it in-game, etc. It's your content. Only FA has the right to show it if you upload it to the site. No one else.

1) IMVU's policies do not govern content posted/shared/sold on FA

2) IMVU does not have any rights to or will take a cut from content posted on FA

3) IMVU has not been given any user information from FA
1834 comments

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  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  dildos.

  jessehusky

#link     Posted: a year ago

  O.o

  muskyotie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Must be Swedish :3

  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  very Canadian, actually! =0
though one of my best friends is a Swedish guy

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  CANADA YES

  jessehusky

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm almost Canadian, yooper lol.

  ddraig

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Grr, and you never pay us trolls the bridge toll

  jessehusky

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No no no, no comprende.

  foxloverh

#link     Posted: a year ago

  yeah...

  ddraig

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Michigan slang. people from upper peninsula are yoopers, lower peninsula are trolls.

  foxloverh

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yup I know lived there for 15 years now. Just moved away a month ago hehe.

  muskyotie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  best people evar :3

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  SWEDEN YES

  spontaneousfred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A perfect first comment.

  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I have been waiting for this moment for my entire life.

I can now freely go retire into the mountains and live the rest of my years as a Buddhist monk.

  kintuse

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Your avatar makes it look like you're already on your way there!

  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  gotta get outta here before our 3D chat overlords take over!

  nicobay

#link     Posted: a year ago

  you will be remember forever for this comment .

  raccoonfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  #makinghistory :3

  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  and one day, someone will inscribe it on my tombstone.

"here lies Teej

dildos."

  snookers~

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You can't run forever.

  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  true, the Jeep will need to be refueled.

  sofia.exe

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Animated avatar party at the top as well it seems.

  neekomasochist

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I approve and agree with this comment.

This is dildoes.

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Worse. At least we can derive pleasure from dildos.

  neekomasochist

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is true, so IMVU is sandpaper dildoes then.

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ouch. That ain't coming nowhere near my sensitive areas. Although it may help keep my hooves nice and smooth?

  hihey9989

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Have my bbs

  sofia.exe

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I am deeply curious how many watchers you have gained sheerly through opportune dildo placement.

  creaturecorp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  probably about 50

  thaily

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ilu

  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ilu 2 <333

dildos for all.

March 19th is officially Dildo Day.

  cuba1980s

#link     Posted: a year ago

  AMEN.


  dotter

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FA ladies sing these songs
Dildo Dildo
IMVU owns our... nuts
Oh Dildo Day

  myrilla

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Dildonics

Astro Dildonics

Plastic.

  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  dildoughnuts.

  namba

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This comment is dildos

  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  the finest dildos a comment could ever offer.

  Comment hidden by its author
  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  knulla?

  muskyotie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Only the finest!

  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  for someone like FA, only the strongest and most durable will do!

  nitrods

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That ams dildos. http://prntscr.com/6itkpb

  tanathy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Actually Why not Second Life? I don't understand the conception

  kahluax

#link     Posted: a year ago

  When can we start upvoting comments on FA? Cuz this needs one hell of an upvote

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is all kinds of wrong on so many levels. I'm concerned that this company will try to steal art/fursonas and through some legality claim copyright ownership on them. That motivation does this IMVU company have for buying FA?. Apparently Dragoneer would rather take his 50 pieces of silver than guard the community from outside corporate destruction. The legal implications for artists here is huge! Make no mistake, there WILL be changes not for the better. There are many good alternatives to FA. Let the mass exodus begin!

  lokisvixen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  honestly I agree with you have had art i commissioned stolen before and it sucks and at least this person was nice enough to delete it but others are not! I saw one guys literally say if its on google its public domain! I have done too much to have my reputation tarnished by some kids and a bullshit company who has no business dealing with artist of peoples lively hoods in the first damn place!

  nikolinni

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "If it's on Google it's public domain"? That's actually false; if you search images on Google it actually tells you the image may be subject to copyright laws. In fact lots of blogging sites, such as Blogspot and HubPages, warn about just going willy-nilly onto the internets and taking images, as even stuff you find on Google can be (and often are) subject to copyright.



  lokisvixen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i know but it is a sad fact that there are alot of stupid ass holes who just dont get it

  drmanhattanmedic

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I am guessing Dildos are your ammunition.

  straycat74

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I wanna friend you JUST so I have Ammunition as my Friend =^.^=

  ammunition

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ammunition is always your friend, especially during a zombie apocalypse.

  straycat74

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I reload my own ammo...

so... how would that work? your profile says your taken

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The questions Dragoneer, the questions linger like a bad case of herpes don't they?

  Comment hidden by its author
  furnator

#link     Posted: a year ago

  replied to get it up front)

oke after my last post i skipped every other message.. (note i,m no artist lawyer or businessman or furry)

why complain about this ? i mean really.. all you guys do is complain and no positive comment out of this

you know, imvu only bought stocks in my book. they bought FA and gave allot of k of money worth of gear/performance in return, people just ignore that and read **imvu BOUGHT FA** they dont get the upgrades and performance part of the deal, and besides FA is also still working independent from imvu. imvu doesnt take part in the future development of FA

also why complain about something that is optional.. you dont have to go to imvu to get onto/in FA..

look i know people are gonna be mad for me mentioning it, but just like google+and youtube, i never use google+ but do use youtube ( to watch adult marked content). you never have to use the Google+ service to go to youtube ( only shit is they upload videos/replies/comments directly on your +page ) so you have to register to google+ and youtube and yet you dont need to use the service that is google+ to go to youtube or vice versa.
the same goes for imvu. you dont need to use it to join this site nor do you need to join this site to go into imvu

also i dont get the complaint about ads either? even tough i block them that doesnt mean i dont like them. i actually only intended to use it for videos on youtube and stream, but never thought of changing the priority on every site . you know ads work 2 ways. you buy advertising space on sites/TV to promote your product and get more people. or you sell your advertising space to a company for a reasonable fee. or do both and get more followers and money( to use for your company (growth)
or a third option probably not applicable here.. use youtube/facebook/twitter/any other ''free media'' for showing your product..

so basically ads are important... both for growing companies as well as to show what '' we make''/do this as a company

about your personal info selling to imvu?: is that your biggest concern? really? the government and hackers can get your hand on your info also and you complain about the company investing some money in a fandom/furry community getting your info

also people/furries! dont hate the hell out of the owners. why not trust that imvu is not helping FA ( ''to the ground'') in any way( says they're still independent from/to imvu)
that it may be a generous donation instead of a buyout. that dragoneer still owns fur affinity(seems like it since he is still in charge)
it maybe a April fools prank gone wrong..

and you guys!: why complain at all before something happens! just sit it down and wait.. not every company are dicks like what you guys say/claim

(i also confess i have had imvu but never got on it only once in a while for 15 minutes )


  galagya

#link     Posted: 9 months ago

  First off, about the ads(note: this is actually just a copy of a post I made elsewhere to another person on FA who was also asking about why exactly it's bad or whatever, iirc):

The big issue there is the user-based ads.

FA has promoted users through allowing them to buy ad space for a long time. I used to love finding an artist through the banners. It was a fair exchange to buy ad space on here because it let people be promoted for a fair price, and they got the clicks they paid for, period.

Now, however, they are being ripped off. People don't know what to do: support their fellow artists, or get an ad blocker. I have gotten to the point where I am fed up, and just buckled and switch AdBlock Plus ON when using this site. But this does not solve the problem. This is an ultimately ineffective bandaid that does no real healing where it matters the most, y'see? I myself was going to get ad space on here, but am now worried it won't be at all fair for the price I pay, since no where NEAR as many people see the ads on the page anymore. But it's the only place that really worked for promoting your page/website/art in the furry community before. See how it goes in circles? No good, man. It's just no good.

Hopefully this better explained the problem, here!



Second, in regards to users' personal information being sold/shared:

Your argument for this is absolutely mind-boggling to me, but that is probably because you genuinely don't understand. It is a very serious matter, and this is common knowledge. You would benefit from just searching for this on google(or whatever search engine you're keen on) and figuring out yourself why it is so bad. Seriously, it's too much to get into. It would change this from long comment into a novel. So, yeah. Research is your friend!



Third & lastly, responding to "why complain before something happens":

People are asking questions and voicing their concerns after being asked to. Read the last couple lines in the original journal post. It says it right there. & even if it didn't, they have every right to comment. It's similar to an apartment complex switching management. The residents may very well be in an uproar over it, and would certainly have a right to react. You can argue all you want about how they could just leave altogether, or they could just wait and see what happens; but really, that is the less plausible and productive reaction to have, if you consider it logically.

Always remember that everyone has a right to an opinion. It's important to never argue against that. People have opinions on everything - even if their opinion is that they don't care either way. You see what I'm trying to say? Arguing against someone's having an opinion is illogical and moot. It is what it is. It's a matter of addressing concerns openly, honestly, and respectfully, in hopes of coming to a cordial compromise, a fair & balanced agreement, a conclusion. The argument is happening. You cannot take it back, and you cannot negate the feelings and opinions of others. You can only move forward if you hope to achieve any closure.

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  My biggest concern about this whole situation is that an outside corporate entity has been brought into the Furry Community to operate a site who's people they likely do not understand. I know this site and other Furry sites have exchanged hands/paws before BUT those transactions were made by Furries for Furries. This is key. FurAffinity is a community of Furries made, supported, visited and populated BY FURRIES. It is of by and for Furries. We more than any external corporate influence understand each other. We know why we are here and why we patriate this and other related sites. In comes IMVU, a company with questionable reputation and motives who do not understand the Furry Community and would likely find us cringe worthy at best. Furries are not mainstream, and that is a wonderful thing. My biggest fear is that someday Furries will be co-opted by the mainstream driving out real Furries to be replaced with a corporatized, sanitized and watered down replica. If Dragoneer truly loves FurAffinity and the Community, he should have come to us openly and honestly explaining his situation to us. FurAffinity costs money to operate, I get it, I really do. But to sell out to an external entity that could easily shut this site down as a purely business motivated decision is just rediculius. How can we honestly trust Dragoneer at this point? And also, if he loves FA and says how he has hung on because this is his baby, why in the hell would he hand the keys to the kingdom over to a non Furry outsider? I'm sure many financially and technologically savvy Furs would have gladly bought him out. Was it ego then? Now that IMVU own FurAffinity, Dragoneer has lost all real control over the fate of his work. He is now an employhee of IMVU which means that they can fire him. Why would Dragoneer open himself up to that vulnerability? Sure things might be good now, money coming in for new equipment etc but FurAffinity is no longer the property of Dragoneer/FA. It all belongs to IMVU. This makes no sense at all. Either Dragoneer is lying about his love for FA/Furry Community or he is fatally misguided and delusional. IMVU can take his baby away at any time and there is nothing Dragoneer and by extention US can do about it. I hope he has considered all of this.

  smilingsammi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I agree.

  galagya

#link     Posted: 9 months ago

  I thought it was a financial partnership and nothing more. Like owning shares, or something... I dunno. Now I'm confused.

Can someone clear this up for me, please?

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU a second rate Second life. :Z

  dablobkips

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And less cringey.

  chewylemon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Second life. Wear a boat and fuck the sky.

  happywabbit

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's Double Duckfuckery time! Probably TOS/AUP change too.

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It still beats There.

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I have'nt actually seen that. LOL
But im sure it happens.
It's mostly furries with huge DICKS
http://imgur.com/JQOHvcE

  chaoslordserith

#link     Posted: a year ago

  that picture is totally not related to secondlife or its furry community
that is at the Cerberus sandbox where only the most perverted of the furry fandom hang out. i avoid it at all costs after an incident there.

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  no, it is not at the cerberus sandbox.

  zombiicandy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  that's it. that's all of sl



  thealphadoge

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU is the Barbie Doll House of SL. You just put them there standing, and pretend they are talking

  punnchy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That's most people in second life too!

  xam592

#link     Posted: a year ago

  But SL has been around longer then IMVU... I get that IMVU and FA are the same age and all, but if you're going to partner with someone do it with a company just as popular and more trust worthy. This is a terrible horrible no good very bad decision on Needs part and while I expect change it will most likely be a bad one and I dislike it, I MO the Admins REALLY ducked up on this one.

  tannonclaw

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If you could make a barbie doll look even more genetically deformed and only release the program on a Sega Saturn. Yes.

  billybob11432

#link     Posted: a year ago

  For once, I completely agree with you.

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Only this once? ;w;
But i loved you Billybob.

  billybob11432

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lißten carefully but hole-

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  q.q

  seo-greytail

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Woah, Wierd seein you here.

  billybob11432

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I am everywhere like a snake.

  seo-greytail

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Lelz. Do you use your skype anymore? I never see you on :/

  rakarra

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Isn't Second Life pretty second-rate these days?

All the contacts I had to fled to Second Life got bored with it and have left. I think that's pretty standard now.

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've been on SL a decade and I' still use it daily. I've lots of memories and close friends there. :>
I guess to each their own if they leave or stay!

  chaoslordserith

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ive been a member of sl since alpha and then open beta. i too have many memories there

  mrpandapants

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Second life was ALWAYS second rate.

  sangie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Not to mention IMVU has remained in beta for like 10 years, you can't walk, and all sexuality is banned.

Also they charge a shit ton.

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  SEX IS BANNED?
LOL
How would most furries survive on it.

  vylbird

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I checked their terms: "Post any content that is mature or adult in nature on the "general audience" section of this Site that is inappropriate for a general audience. This is more appropriate for the "adult section" of this Site. All content posted to your Avatar Card, including but not limited to the profile picture, avatar/account name and tagline, must be appropriate for "general audiences.""

They have some pretty creepy furry avatars.

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLwipBosOs

  neeka

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What the hell did I just watch? O.o

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What IMVU is :O

  gooeythedragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  that bet not be what they are partnering with...

  arkgullwing

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Sadly yes

  gooeythedragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  XD well... at least FA got someone to partner with. Honestly wouldnt say the best... game (Not into social games like that).

  werewolflegacy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That was very enlightening. Well I think I'll be making that move to Weasyl now.

  vylbird

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm getting the impression IMVU desperately wishes it were SL.

  angstskunk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU is the new Ogrelord. Praise.

  jakthewuffle

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The fuck? That's like a shittier version of Second life, and second life is only less shitty because you can download decent AO's and not move like a convulsing epileptic shrek.

  jus95

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Agreed. I've been on IMVU for two days so far, and the movement system is complete arse. At least in Second Life, you can move wherever you want. Hell, you can FLY. Whereas IMVU's movement scheme is pretty much 'click on the dots to move slightly to the left, or teleport all over the place like a spastic Nightcrawler'.

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  convulsing epileptic shrek.

Lol <3

  zoomerboomerz

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If it means more masterpieces like Shrek: the Final Layer, I'm tempted to embrace this future.

  fyari

#link     Posted: a year ago

  :v i dont know if you can even compare the two... IMVU is fugly as shit and i feel like 99% of the people who play it have a hard-core case of the downs.

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  AHAHA
DOWNS
xD

  fyari

#link     Posted: a year ago

  :v they went down down down till the potato's got higher.

then they couldn't even count to potato anymore :( i cri evertim.

  kodathefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  interesting.

  tomoyuki

#link     Posted: a year ago

  alright everybody prepare your butholes for super ads

  lorena

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This.

  amethystlongcat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You ever heard of a little add on called Adblock? ;)

  tomoyuki

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yup always on bby. Just I know. A lot don't use it. And it dose not work on my phone. Like now fa is fucking lagged ass ballz on my phone. It never was before. Wtf neer

  amethystlongcat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I don't use phone but I have noticed a few downtimes and lags on my laptop

  htfcuddles

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's going fine for me, but if the site suddenly starts to go slow, I can safely assume, with an 84.4% success ratio, that the site is being DDoSed.

  reinbowulf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Mine's lagging hardcore now, too.

  fanamy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's funny because I just realized the same thing while I was scrolling through the comments and I thought it was my phone (iPhone 5S) until I saw your comment. X)

  danjen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Doesn't matter if you can block them or not, it's the principle of the matter

  hebby

#link     Posted: a year ago

  free multi terabyte hosting for everybody with no payment required! expected 99.999% uptime and awesome speeds regardless of the 100's thousands of people concurrently checking the site

  faunoiphilia

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ummm, care to elaborate on exactly what that acronym stands for? what the heck is IMVU?

  fender

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU is an online community that uses 3D avatars for a virtual chat experience.

  luciifer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Second life is much more broader, do you have something going on with them too or no?

  savage-flux

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FA still has deep ties with second life, just because there is no official partnership doesn't mean they are not connected. Though yes (at the risk of alienating myself from our new overlords) second life has a broader experience

  luciifer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I just don't think it is a good idea, I've used IMVU before I went onto SL, IMVU isn't spending 20 K just for a few adds I think there is going to be more to it. I think in the near future there will be Premium accounts you have to pay for or they will censor this site. Or you'll have to give them passport info just to get verified which could be grabbed by people or some sort of thing. I just see this as a bad move. With IMVU basically buying this site and dragoneer no longer being owner I just feel any second life promotional stuff will be removed and can risk your account.

  savage-flux

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Of course everything you suggest is possible and would mean that the community members suffer, I would be very interesting going over the contract that was made for this deal and seeing exactly what IMVU can and can't do. For now however I think we should hope dragoneer will be able to retain control and use IMVU for the site instead of the other way around

  timmie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  As the message states, IMVU purchased FA so IMVU has control. Dragoneer did not state his role in this deal.

I would suggest people check out the BBS site concerning IMVU. Read and make your own conclusions.

http://www.bbb.org/losangelessilico.....868/complaints

  vylbird

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Don't worry too much. Worst case scenario, everyone flees to weasyl or inkbunny or sofurry or even deviantfart. It's not as if we lack choice of sites for furry art - and if there is demand, some people might get together to make a new one.

  magic-rena

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Unfortunately, this is what is going to happen.

Mark my words, in a few weeks we will have to buy "FA's premium account" to get access to Adult content.



  hebby

#link     Posted: a year ago

  if everybody keeps spamming that idea around they just might, SHHHHHH be quiet

  jroy101

#link     Posted: a year ago

  if they do we riot

  ipeerownu

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If they do, it'd be really damn easy to migrate to some other art site. It could be the final nail in the coffin of FA's demise.

  luciifer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  if nothing like that happens sure I'll be fine with it :3 but yeah that company is notorious for a lot of things.

  ziggyfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think you meant to say "awful", not all those other words you just said.

  recoyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

  There a shittier Second Life

  xxjonesgirlfurrypawsxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU is simply just IMVU.

It's a 3D avatar messenger that allows you to create an avatar and chat with people around the world for free. The messenger is called IMVU

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You forget the cost for buying rooms, accessories, and whatnot so you don't look like a poor sod in front of your friends. Peer pressure there is too high.

  xxjonesgirlfurrypawsxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  But IMVU gives every new member 30 days of free credits.

And they get free credits also just by doing simple things. You get credits for simply just going to the shop for the first time. OR adding your first friend.

So, they can actually buy things like accessories and stuff with the free credits that IMVU gives them, which if saved up over the course of the days, can be quite alot.

So yeah. It's free.

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Freemium is not free. No matter how many freebies are given out. IMVU, like any business, is still trying to make money. Their marketing strategy is offering people a place to spend real money on virtual content made by other people on IMVU. They keep the money themselves. And people buy into this when peer pressure gets to them. The amount of people strong enough to resist are a minority compared to the impulse buyers. And this is why their business works.

  rakarra

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
Freemium is not free. No matter how many freebies are given out


I would say Freemium is free if the purchased content is not needed to use the product. I don't use IMVU, but do play a "freemium" mobile game. A lot. Amount of money spent over the last year on the game? $0. The freebies are enough. And you might say that "well if the freebies are enough, they're doing it wrong," which is a logical conclusion, except it was the #1 game in the world for in-game content purchases.

And people buy into this when peer pressure gets to them. The amount of people strong enough to resist are a minority compared to the impulse buyers.


Well that's their own damned fault then. I'm certainly in general favor of 'a fool and his money...'

And this is why their business works.


It works for everyone, including me.

  rainjob

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The problem is this is going to wreck the FA community and it's terrible news for content creators and artists because IMVU will most likely make us all click a box that agrees to acknowledge that everything posted here is owned by IMVU and everything sold here, IMVU will get a cut. Basically Dragoneer is a cartoon villain who never stopped doing asinine things and as a goodbye gift he threw the website in a corporate inferno.

  issi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I agree. I feel as though FA just went the way of the US Presidency. Drop it off on the next guy to fudge it up even more.

  malcolmthebear

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Also, the sky is falling.

  rainjob

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Sure, just remember all this mess when IMVU, who's main target demographic is teenagers realizes they're associated with a highly pornographic and sexually expressive community. Say goodbye to all the adult art. Say goodbye to artists making a living off of selling their work here. Lastly, have fun having a for profit corporation accessing your PMs and selling your info. Soon enough you'll be required to have an IMVU account to log in here.

  magic-rena

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is sadly true. In matter of weeks we will be forced to buy "FA premium accounts"

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is a disaster for FA users. I hope Dragoneer is happy with his 50 pieces of silver. Furry content is made by and for furries and no external corporate entity will tolerate anything that goes against THEIR mission or worldview. FA is finished.

  sennkohcoola

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I Agree!

  jmfoxfire

#link     Posted: a year ago

  imvu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMVU

  furrydude9

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Instant Messaging Virtual Universe

  kammymau

#link     Posted: a year ago

  SCHWWEEEEEET!!!!!!

  bluemario1016

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU?....

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's a 3D chatprogram with an item marketplace attached to it.

  bluemario1016

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Is it that online metaverse site?

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You may be thinking of Second Life, and no. It is a chatroom with 3D avatars for which items and whatnot can be purchased.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You never explain what IMVU is, and excuse my ignorance about it, but what exactly is it? Is it just the company that owns it (which I know you own it Neer, so just the parent company or the site that actually hosts FA?)

  urick

#link     Posted: a year ago

  basically shitty second life

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh man, I was hoping me googling it just pulled up the wrong thing. What does that even mean for FA? It seems weird that a company would buy/host/support (not sure what to call it) FA when it has so little to do with the kind of thing FA is. It looked like just some kind of gaiaonline/second life mix of running around playing games. It seems the only thing they even have in common is the community aspect. this just seems weird.

  thealphadoge

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A much cheaper version too.
With 5000 credits you can buy 5 times as more than on Second life and it costs 10 times less.


  ziggyfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  that's entirely relative to what's being bought :|

  sangie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  actually IMVU you have to spend money to use it at all.... $20 to approve yourself with an AP then $5 to get age verified...

oh yeah and no hard dicks. That's banned too.

Furry avatar in IMVU? $10

In SL? $2.50

  spazzticglitch

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I also don't know much about IMVU, so correct me if I'm wrong, but buying avatars off of SL benefits the artists who make them and I think IMVU's avatars and things aren't made by independent artists?

  thatcreepyguynextdoor

#link     Posted: a year ago

  With IMVU, the market more or less works like this; if you make a texture for something, lets say a tail, you only get paid the amount you want to profit from; post for 600 credits, but 500 of that goes to the person who made the tail you are dev'ing from. Nice system if you are a person who can make meshes, bad system if you cant.
SL at least lets you work from shapes to make your own stuff, and you get the whole amount of the Linden people paid to purchase your item / mod

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I wonder if that'll extend into FA as well? I wouldn't mind paying for upgraded accounts to help fund the site, I suppose.

  thealphadoge

#link     Posted: a year ago

  account subscription sounds too good to be true.

  kettengrad

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Please no...

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  SL is still better AND


get this .


READY



IT ALLOWS SEX.


and that doberman guy is on there that makes all the sl porns.

  thealphadoge

#link     Posted: a year ago

  SL>IMVU

http://theslicedbreadclub.com/wp-co.....With-It-33.gif

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  SL eats.


everything else.

cause sex. is cool and I like sex.


sex.


Not pg13 christian family websites.

  maskedskunk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FA would not change what so ever. IMVU would just be giving FA the resources and support they need. It's mentioned in the journal.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  But Neer doesn't own the site anymore, so how can he say that's how it'll stay since he doesn't own it and has no say over their decisions in the future?

  maskedskunk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Because he is still in charge of the site and still in charge of creative direction.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  People can still be fired, and permissions/power taken from them. I'm sure there was some contract but I doubt that they couldn't find some way around it if they wanted to. I'm trying to be optimistic, but I guess with FA's history all I can see are just how many ways this could go wrong.

  arkgullwing

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What does IMVU get out of the arrangement you just described? Nada

  zakrhyno

#link     Posted: a year ago

  They are the new owners of FA

  arkgullwing

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FA doesn't make enough money to barely float even now, with people donation thousands of dollars for new hardware. Why would a company want to "own" a site, dump money into it to make it "better"? What is the gain? Neer posted elsewhere that it's "to gain interest in IMVU" but that doesn't seem very sound. That's like paying for a very expensive ad.

  neuron.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Money that should go to hardware that should in theory last quite awhile seems to have a habit of mysteriously being unaccounted for. Plus, I've always questioned a website that needs several thousands worth of dollars in donations to keep buying server hardware when other websites just pay for development teams to fix their code so they don't have this problem.

/in before banned

In any case, I think it would be a safe bet to permanently delete my works from this website, as well as all my notes. Call me paranoid, but I've heard nothing but bad things about IMVU and I am definitely unhappy with this.

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  In essence it is a 3D chatprogram.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Thanks for the information, that seems weird FA and IMVU are together then? I wonder what that means for FA in the future.

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm looking forward to the new, and frequently delayed, layout featuring 3D avatars for which clothing and accessories have to be bought on the IMVU marketplace.

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  fenrirkar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Huh, well if it means more resources to help fund more snazzy hardware and whatnot, why not?

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  They're investing heavily into upgrading our hardware AND helping with software.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And what do they want in return? I doubt they're giving it to you for free. I'm just curious if that means FA is going in a different direction.

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  They want the two communities two help promote one another and to help them grow, nothing more. =)

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  In what way, though? That doesn't really answer the question, Is it going to incorporate a 3d chat available on FA? It doesn't make sense they'd back you just to have your communities grow and promote each other? You said there's a furry group there, but a userbase of much larger than ours, so I'm not sure I understand why they'd be interested unless FA had something to bring to the table like features in the future. Advertising on FA? I can get that, but you selling it to them (them wanting to buy it) seems an entirely different story and it feels like you didn't really offer an explanation about what is going to happen. People don't buy a site and then just keep it the same; there's always changes and not just in the way of giving you better hardware and software in return for advertising. That's an uneven trade, so excuse my skepticism but this is kinda out of the blue and not making sense.

  gourd

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Now watch, as you get either another vague answer or avoided altogether. Maybe even banned for "inciting drama"! :3

  laini

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^ What they said

  toraie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Pardon my interruption, but it sounds like you're just trying to fish for problems. So what if they get a little more advertising space? It's still tangentially relevant to the fandom, and it wouldn't destroy the almost nine years of community that FA has built up overnight. A company based on building community is definitely going to want access to hundreds of thousands of potential members, or even customers. It's a bit of a surprise, sure, but I can understand it.

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  In short: IMVU has a large furry community. They feel they could help grow their community by fostering ours, and each side could work hand in hand to make improvements. IMVU could get FA users to check them out, we could grow the site and finally have a budget needed to improve our hardware, software and support.

They get user interest and curiosity, we get funding needed.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm not trying to fish for problems, I assure you. I am not trying to start anything but FA has a bad history, and the entire site being owned by someone else now? Well I'm sure you can understand why it changing hands to a site that's very different is a cause for alarm. I can understand it too, hell if I was dragoneer I'd probably take the money and improvements over ownership of the site, too. But this is just concerning as someone who has never ehard about IMVU before, and everyone ehar who has is unhappy with it and says it's kinda shitty, so I'm just concerned is all.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That makes sense. I'm just concerned since they own the site now, and not you. You've made mistakes but I think you've always strived for what was best in your mind. I just worry that whoever owns it now will have say over you, and that the running independently won't be their long term plan. I don't know the details, but because the coders for reworking the site? I'll try to remain optimistic and hopeful once more.

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  To be fair, fishing for problems is how concerns are alleviated. What's important and also unfortunate is that even when answers are provided, not enough people take notice of them.

  deskai

#link     Posted: a year ago

  thats only if people had an interest in IMVU, and for IMVU's 11 years it still small and it have heavily lost to Secondlife compared to levels of content each provide. IMVU haven't improved over the 11 years if anything it became worst.

Still, you now manage this site, and you now have a boss who don't have a good track record...with their own community...

  rainjob

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Dragoneer didn't exactly have a good track record here either. This is one of his most assinine things, take a bustling established artistic community of content creators and throw them to a corporate pit boss. If you think IMVU isn;t going to try and suck money from FA then you're wrong.


Soon enough we'll have to sign into FA with an IMVU account. IMVU will advertize all over the site. Worst of all IMVU will probably change the rules and ban a ton of content based on morals and stuff because they want to save corporate face. This is the worst thing that has ever happened to FA and I sense there will never be an FA as creative or free as it was yesterday.


Hopefully we can all find a site like weasyl or something that we can have a mass exodus to but I know large portions of the community don;t care enought o leave and will put up with all of IMVUs profit hungry bs.

  deskai

#link     Posted: a year ago

  that depending on the contract and how much push and pull they have on FA.
as said below by another user
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44894135

we been part of em for about 3 months now and nothing changed, but they only spoke of their experiences. it can still go either way, heck remember when we partnered up with Furocity and that died out so an option of us being dropped due to not being profitable (remember its all about profits on this, they may be giving us stuff to improve the site, but they may still wish to get a profit BACK hoping out MUCH MUCH larger furry userbase here to use their 3D chat program that isnt that good anyway...). As my clan mates say in Idola "while this may seem stupid, give him a year or two. Review all the changes and improvements and detriments that occur during that time." So I'll give Neer his chance, and I'll watch to see what things occur and make a judgement if this was a good choice or not.

  lynx189

#link     Posted: a year ago

  But seriously, what about the elephant in the room: FA lives off porn.

They can rip the rug out from under us all due to their rather...stringent anti-adult ways.

Can FA survive with an adult paywall?

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  paw-fox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What Rainjob said.

You really think IMVU will want to be known for some of the stuff hosted here? I'm sure they'll love to be branded with a gallery website which also hosts fursona's wearing soiled drapers.




  sadeymayfire

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This sounds fairly accurate to how situations like this usually go down despite the assurance of "its just for growth".
I'll give it a year.

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The saddest thing is the very strong possibility you are actually being genuine and honest here, and you truly believe that nothing more than this is happening, or will happen.

I really just can't tell which would be worse: you lying/misrepresenting/sugarcoating shit as usual, or you genuinely believing that selling the site to these people means nothing more than them giving you more money and resources, taking on that pretty substantial tax debt you still haven't explained to us, but they'll totally just sit back and let you stay in charge and keep running the site just as well as you've run it up to now.

I know that others have attempted to work out arrangements with you for either transfer of ownership or some shared responsibility, people and groups specifically and primarily personally invested in furry fandom, and known to be trustworthy and competent, all to be turned down or turned away because of you. "The world's largest 3d chat and dress-up community" is, clearly, not only something a significant chunk of users here have never even heard of, but there's no strong discernible connection or reason for why these people are who you'd hand the site over to as opposed to anyone else who's tried to take the wheel from you.

At least you've learned to stop using the word "transparency" since that is clearly not remotely within your wheelhouse.

  magic-rena

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Since IMVU only offers "family-friendly" content, it is matter of time before they ban "unmoral" furry porn :(

  vulpnuts

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I don't think they'd even do a paywall. PG furry art or ban. That's the IMVU way.

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  In short, we've been had. With no lube and no kiss.

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I don't know any furries who use IMVU. Their second rate software does not impress. It's a second rate Second Life basically. And there is no charity in business, surly you don't expect us to believe they want to "help us" or "make it better", maybe for IMVU not for the furry community. Enjoy your 50 pieces of silver. When FA is destroyed, you'll be as hated as Sibe.

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The biggest concerns that need to be addressed in the top post:

Will FA still be completely free and 110% fully featured without money involved

Will the staff be influenced on either side, by either side

Is there a cross-influence of policies in any way

What is the financial responsibility breakdown as a result (and because it would be good evidence in your favor, what did it used to be)

Mostly "what is going to functionally change as a result of this"

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This exactly.

  starling

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This. Also and some added advertising. sounds like I will be happy to block ads not leading to other artists on this site. Unfortunate. I don't use kiddie 3D sites.

  grizzlies96

#link     Posted: a year ago

  *clap* *clap* *clap*
There's no clap icon, so have a present.

  addletwintone

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Admins, this post NEEDS answers.

  rimefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  financial breakdown might be covered by NDA in some cases, or even by legisslation, like in case of my country.
question about policies is curious.. but is too early

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I mostly want the expected framework to be put forth.

Frankly I expect that the TOS and AUP and COC are all going planned to stay very much the same. I want it to get shouted from the hilltops, is the thing

  vulpnuts

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah. This is what I want to know. What is going to change for us on this site? You can't expect me to believe they bought the site and are not going to influence it.

  rimefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  but how they would look on FA content? IMVU was one of "anti-porn" (read, anti-nudity, anti-explicit) citadels, along with Google, Valve and like c.c

Did they changed, or decide to look over that

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You speak in very vague terms "make it better" and "help the two communities" blah blah. What on earth does a user driven content site like FA have to do in any way with a corporate controlled for-profit dictatorship? I say dictatorship because essentially that's what a business is. FA users will ultimately have to agree to their IMVUs terms, either directly or by proxy. The two sites are not relate-able. What about the control and retention of content and personal information/chats/PMs FA users have generated? Will that be combed through by IMVU? Surly there is more to this than you're letting on. Honestly, how stupid do you think we are?

  feryl

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You missed that part up there about them acquiring FA? It means they own it. There's really little else they could ask for.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Didn't see that at first for some of my comments! But I guess I don't understand why they'd want to buy FA if Neer wasn't making much money from it like he claimed. No one wants a website that's not making money, especially if you're a site that (from what people are saying) is one of those pay to upgrade everything websites. Every website and company wants to make money, that's understandable. but if they're buying the site and sinking money into repairs and coders if you don't plan to make the money back in the future with it.

  rakarra

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
You missed that part up there about them acquiring FA? It means they own it. There's really little else they could ask for.


Not necessarily. In my "real life," I happen to work at a company which was acquired by a larger company a decade ago. A company which until that point had an on-again off-again sympathetic / antagonistic relationship which had turned antagonistic again at the time of purchase. Everyone was worried "well they own us now, so they can make any changes they want, right?" Well, not so fast. It depends on the agreement made at the time of purchase and whether you can trust the people you made the agreement with -- IE, the CEO. My company changed very little -- the executive structure remained mostly unchanged, day to day operations were unchanged, company culture was preserved. It turned out to be a win-win. My company's products are good sellers, and we got to take advantage of parent company's distribution and advertising networks. Not one time in the last decade did I have to say "I didn't want to do this, but the overlords at the parent company forced my hand."

Even though I get to say "MyCompany is a wholely-owned subsidiary of BiggerCompany," and am technically an employee of BiggerCompany, MyCompany has done things the way it always has. It can work, and the situation enlightened me to the fact that personal relationships between executives between different companies are important. Oh, so very important.

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yea...you can tell who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't by experience-based nuggets like this

Accumulate enough of them, multiply by 'trust', and you have something called 'solace'

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wow judging from your posts, you certainly sound like a shill.

  rakarra

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A shill? Not at all, just sick of the overreaction that the easily-paniced furry community here brings up time and time again in response to.. well, nearly any topic, really. But especially anything involving FA.

But I'm going to take the high road on this one.

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  With the track record of Dragoneers indifference to the users and poor past decisions coupled with historic examples of these kinds of acuisitions/mergers going horribly wrong for other user bases, can you blame us? The majority of posts are in the negative towards this transaction. It has heen poorly explained as to the motivation behind it. And "we want to make it better" is not an explanation. We want concrete evidence. I believe we as the users/content generators which gives FA it's value have a right to know what's really going on in clear terms.

  fenrirkar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Even better~

  cri-c4t

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So FA will now run like a proper site and not a slow pile of crap?

  retehi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  wut

  dragondoomlord

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Uuuuuuuuuh...

  tammo-korsai

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wat indeed: http://i.imgur.com/DqnkLeY.jpg

  laski

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ECH!

  ryunwoofie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^

  bawnii

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^

  chewylemon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  :^)

  kur0

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^

  rashinba

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^^

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^

  zinniababycheeks

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^

  spontaneousfred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I aaaaaaaaaaaaaaain't havin' that shit!

  laski

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi8za2kTJDs

  angelpaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^

  psykrow

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHP4JtsBnUQ

  laski

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aegP8j5al0

  psykrow

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IRaZpwxvew :D

  laski

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdzCR_7RR60

You're awesome, Psykrow

  psykrow

#link     Posted: a year ago

  dawww stop! xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGUaLTLiFLc

  laski

#link     Posted: a year ago

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoMiYklHvjk

  sgtcorpse

#link     Posted: a year ago

  how dare you take my jontron shtick :U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q-caImkViE

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  boshi96

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Earliest I've ever caught an official FA journal

  reinafennec

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Beep boop we are furry nerds from the future

in space no one can hear your emotionally scarring fursuit sex

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  murrsuit sex is fun bro :v

  ravedragon67

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What is IMVU? And is Dragoneer still owner of FA?

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  www.imvu.com

And I am no longer the owner, but I am in charge of the site, direction and improvements. The difference is I now have the resources to make the improvements that have always been needed.

  ravedragon67

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I understand now. Thank you.

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What does that mean if they decide to take the site in a different direction? Since you're not an owner anymore, how much power do you actually have in site changes if they want to change things up? I'm sure you've thought it out long and hard, i don't doubt that, but i can't help but worry that this could go sour and hurt a lot of people, as a lot of us rely on FA for making a living.

  rjbartrop

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Worst case scenario, FA goes the way of VCL and a new site becomes the new go to place for furries. Probably a good idea to build up your presence on other sites.

In the short term at least, I think this is a very good thing for the people who's income depends on FA, because they are a business. Like us, their revenue depends on keeping FA up and running. Sure, anything could happen, but this part at least is a plus.

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That's always so disastrous for communities, though, and that's what worries me the most. if FA goes down, attention will be diverted between sofurry, inkbunny, tumblr, weasyl and deviantart, with stragglers on other sites i assume. You're not gonna have the same heavy core that FA offers because, at this point, all of those sites are an "alternative to FA" in a way. A lot of people WON'T move over, and moves will take a long time. With community heavily centered on one site, losing it really jostles the ability to keep together. Plus, so many artists that rely on FA to SURVIVE will take a huge hit.

I know it sounds kinda pessimistic of me, i've just been involved in communities and watched it happen when they lost the biggest core site where they was so much divide into smaller sites and then people wanting to make even smaller sites in hopes of being the next big one that the community eventually fizzled out. I don't wanna see that happen to furries.

  tisfoolish

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IB actually has a feature to port over your entire FA submission list. Pretty nifty.

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IB is also known as the cub porn alternative to FA and always will be. It's nice in theory, i personally don't mind the site, but it'll always carry that stigma and when cub porn is considered actual child porn in other countries it'll be tough to ever get it to hold up a good international userbase.

  tisfoolish

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That wasn't the point I was hoping to make, I was trying to show that it might not be that hard to move over to another, different website if it has that same functionality that IB has.

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I feel you, and i agree that i think IB has a good setup in that area. weasyl can do that too, i think.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  There's a browser addon you can get to similarly port over FA submissions to Weasyl.

  kodathefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  considering trying this now.

  rjbartrop

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've been through several sites too, and yes, it sucks when a favourite site shuts down, but this stuff happens, and it will keep happening. It's not something we like to think about, any fan run site is subject to the whims of its owners, and when your income depend on one of these sites, you've built on a foundation of sand. We don't know what is going to happen, but that was just as true before Dragoneer sold the site, and could just as easily have decided that running FA was more trouble than it was worth. One way or another, at some point, FA is eventually going to come to an end, and the wise course of action is to start exploring other options.

Also, it's important to remember that FA is not furry, nor is furry FA. There were furries long before FA existed, and it will probably continue after its passing. I think some fragmenting is inevitable, and not necessarily a bad thing. Furry represents a wide range of interests that don't always mesh together. Just like science fiction fandom spun off Trekkers, anime fandom, and furry, maybe the best future is a number of furry sites that cater to specific interests.

  tainin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  How to do?

  leelee

#link     Posted: a year ago

  look up waxpost (app? for chrome)
its to upload everything to weasyl

  laddiethecollie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IB has troll admin that only care about cub porn and will drive people off that don't share they're views. GR made IB a cub only zone,

  rimefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  VCL? visual component library?

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Vixen Controlled Library.

  rjbartrop

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Vixen Controlled Library. It used to be the place everyone went to for Furry art before FA. It's still around, though pretty dormant


  rimefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh, http://us.vclart.net/ ?

  rjbartrop

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That's the one.

  redstripecougar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh, so Fur Affinity has been bought out? If that's the case, why?

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Probably because dragoneer got tired of sending thousands of personal dollars into the FA bills.

I can't blame him for the sheer quantity of conspiracist shit that's aimed at him when he signs so many blank personal checks to keep the place running.

  kayla-na

#link     Posted: a year ago

  People also donated to the site, so it's not just him alone keeping FA afloat. o.o

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yes, for sure. I'm willing to bet he was one of the largest single contributors, easily, though, and might even wager he'd matched or exceeded the donated total.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He was the one footing the bill at the end of the day, though. Someone said he'd been 10k in debt for taxes on FA, and that obviously falls on him no matter how much the users give. It makes sense why he did this but I'm still just unsure how to feel. Trying to be hopeful!

  starrik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Mmm. Yes but that's something completely different.
The tax thing was something VERY different.

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Did they actually explain that somewhere, I missed it if they did, care to share links or something?

  starrik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I would if I had them handy.
There is a huge cover-up with that.

  rimefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  the problem is that certain people were intentionally inciting drama, saying that "It doesn't cost that much you can have server at your home!" while they live in Mexico and having like , 128kbit crappy DSL
(that's CERTAIN person I talk about), and then distribute all kind of storeis about FA owners...

such actions.. are disconcerting. And all butthurt just because they can't have their cub art here

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  My email address is stamped on all my art, feel free to toss anything my way if you come across it again or recall where to look.

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Could you please address the conerns mentioned here? http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44893282

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  sibyl.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh.... oh no
#trouble
oh no.... I am meaning this in really worried....
W....what have you done Dragoneer...
I hope this doesn't ruin the FA we love.


  zakrhyno

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Are they the owner now?

  gameking1300

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Untill you fuck up or piss them off and they ban you stripping you of your admin rights and turning the site to shit way to go *golf claps* dude have you read there tos its a bannable offensice to post porn period fa=porn imvu=non porn imvufa= non porn furry website meaning bye bye 2/3 of the members .-.

  oly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  HOLY SHIT REALLY

ahahahahahahahahahahaha

  sketh

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wait... how is IMVU even remotely relevant to FA? An online 3d avatar chat system.... acquiring a furry art gallery..... ????????

  urick

#link     Posted: a year ago

  tbh its probably because of the furry commuity/section there??? thats all I can think of but it seems highly irrelevant to me, too

but hey.

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Because IMVU has a rather large furry community as well. =)

  november

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Define "rather large." I would think that any sort of acquisition or merger would rely on quantitative variables and not qualitative.

  zorinlynx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've been a furry for about... 20 years now, and I'd never even heard of IMVU until today.

I'm... rather concerned about FA's future.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I stopped being concerned long ago...

  orv

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well...now it might have one, I guess?

  grump3r

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I checked them out a while ago. Their basic "furry" avatars are complete crap. Along with nothing special in the store. Anyone that has used Second Life will also realize they don't even come close to what was available in 2009 in SL, let alone today.

  deecoyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I have not heard of it either. I go to the site and there is a horrible, HORRIBLE 3D lady right there in your face. If that is any clue to what's coming to FA, I'll be very sad.

  snowflakethesnowleopard

#link     Posted: a year ago

  #StopIMVU

  eddydabunni

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Its a crappier version of Second Life.

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Second Life has a bigger one. Plus their avatars don't look like shit and unlike IMVU, you can move the fuck around and are not limited to fucking pose balls 24/7!

Also, no one knows what IMVU is because...

1. It's not popular. At all.
2. Everyone's moved on to Second Life and forgot this piece of shit 3D chat room flop even exists.
3. People are trolling and asking what it is, because... in reality... what is IMVU? Nothing. Just some Second Life wanna be that surfaced from the depths of Hades.

Case in point... *Points to the comments being made*

  luciifer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  LIKE this comment SO MUCH

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Totally upvote this ^

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The question is, would SL be willing to buy FA, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, what would change here as a result.

The current promise seems to be that everything will stay the same or improve as opposed to every upload costing $L for instance...

  rainjob

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU runs on a profit base too, they have their own premium currency equivalent to $L. Second life would never buy FA and that's a good thing, if Dragoneer actually cared about the site he would have handed it to a qualified, honest, and ethical community member with the right skills. Unfortunately like most web admins Dragoneer is a selfish power hungry fascist who enjoys power and values his own gains above all. IMVU will do just as much, if not more, than Linden ever would to make money from us.

  belshazaroth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Bro, Second Life is stagnating. I saw it at its best and seen its decline. It's like watching a grandparent succumb to dementia. Sad.

Second life laid off 2/3 of their employees in the past. I don't consider them stable or expanding.

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  At the same time, Second Life has been improving in the avatar department and other areas as well.

Unlike IMVU...

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Also, you can make RL cash from working in Second Life. IMVU? LOLNOPE.

  damienmithuth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You can make rl cash from IMVU if you successful as a creator, make enough credits then trade them for real money.

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Unfortunately, I can't create jack shit. I DJ and stream music in clubs on SL for my income. You can't do that in IMVU, because you cannot convert the in-game currency to RL money.

  damienmithuth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You do actually have to make a good amount of 'credits' to exchange them for money, but there are credit re sellers who buy them.
For DJ'ing, that's more of something that other users would have to pay you in credits to have you host I guess.

  belshazaroth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  RL cash only if you've got apex talent in graphics and salesmanship. Most people are broke and the scale of economy is tiny. You used to be able to make money, but that boom has passed.

As sculpts, then rigged mesh got added, the standards of quality and skill needed to produce them went up, squeezing some creative talent out of the running.

Even though you can make money, as a whole the argument holds little weight.
The truth is every SIM costs 80k Lindens or 300USD a month to run, and uploads, currency sales and currency purchases are all skimmed off of the top. Oh and if there is a server glitch and the transfer of Linden from user to user fails, you won't get your money reimbursed by Linden Labs.

  teshsilhou

#link     Posted: 3 weeks ago

  One year later:
Second life is still more popular than IMVU.
Second life is getting Second Life 2
IMVU still doesn't have walking.
IMVU still has crappy avatars.

  thealphadoge

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^^^^^

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6i7.....WXs1qfph1s.gif

  dablobkips

#link     Posted: a year ago

  1. Sounds like an opinion m8, it has been heard around as much as SL is.
2. Well on the bright side the community is more friendly and application is more performance friendly thank SL is by a far range.
3. And yet another opinion.

  mewtwolover

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This, Second Life is killing IMVU like Facebook killed Myspace.

  korrok

#link     Posted: a year ago

  My (non-furry) boyfriend when I told him "FA has been bought out by IMVU"

"Wow, I thought that was just some kind of malware from all those weird ads they run"

  xreddaggerx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  this comment for the win!

  vappykid5

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Define ""furry community".

  sketh

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Fair enough :P The style of the communities is very different, which is what brings me confusion. However, I can assume that any coders that get sent FA's way from them will be well experienced and that the site can only go up from here.

Lookin' forward to see where FA goes from here!

  sibyl.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why not connect with LL (Linden Labs) then..way more furries there...(and tons that USE this site)
Second life is shit yeh...but less shit than IMVU and they earn way more money..
And look less shitty..

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Please give a real answer. Seriously, this is so insufficient and lacking of substance it may as well be a bald-faced lie.

Other companies have larger furry communities.

Other companies have more specific focus on the furry community and fandom.

Other companies have more direct relevance and are more widely-known to people in this community.

This is not the first entity to come along and try to acquire FA from you, so what are the actual defining differences between IMVU and anyone else that made you choose to give them the site, as opposed to any other entity that would have made infinitely more sense to pretty much anybody concerned.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He said he signed an NDA and can't talk about anything (if you look in the forums)! It's his excuse for everything jesus christ.

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I really don't know what to think, here.

Either he finally did just throw up his arms and said fuck it, sold the site, and is just gonna bail,

or he actually believes this is all fine and good and just some company deciding to give him lots of money and help just because they're super nice and wanna help.

Without an official reason given, the simplest and most likely explanation for why he sold it to IMVU and not any previous offers is some combination of just money paid to him personally, and IMVU letting him believe he'll go on being in charge of everything, where any other offer likely made it clear that he would >not< continue running things because any honest offer from anyone seriously wanting FA to improve would know that Dragoneer is the only reason the site has failed to progress.

I don't see a legitimate business like this being so stupid as to do this while somehow not recognizing this site's failings and Dragoneer as a direct cause of them.

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The value in Furaffinity is its user driven content. To say that IMVU has no desire to change or control this content is absurd. What are they really getting Dragoneer? Because if you think artists are going to lay down and let some corporate vampire come in and steal our content than you're delusional if that's the case. What was really promised behind our backs? The furry user base that built the content value on FA will abandon ship, making this entire transaction a failure.

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  laini

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lol

  cutievomit

#link     Posted: a year ago

 

  kulza

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ehhhhh

  certo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Barrrrrrrrrrrrrk

  anubiiswerewolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I can't log on to the forums so I'll just ask this here. Who or what is IMVU?

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  www.imvu.com

It's a 3D chat community. =3

  anubiiswerewolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  if they are a chat community why connect themselves with a furry art site?
Something about this doesn't sound right. I think there is more going on that you aren't telling us.

  laini

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh come on man, that's ridiculous.
Why on earth would you think that coming from FA or Neer? :P


  anubiiswerewolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I don't know, maybe because I have a brain cell that twitches out a thought now and then :P

  voremonster21

#link     Posted: a year ago

  that's awesome c:

  stigmata

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Make your own FURSONA

Click here!

  kabegami

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That'll be $30 and the 3D modeling / digital design classes you never took.

  stigmata

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Uhm, I can loopcut like a mofo in Blender. Y'all better recognize.

  kabegami

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That'll still be $30 or so. It's entirely possible to make your own stuff in IMVU, but you sorta have to pay for the privilege to do so, and then anything you make has to pass a peer test group before it's offered or usable by the general public. Kinda ridiculous.

  sawolf151

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Sounds like a trap coming from the bouncing bird!

  kaioshin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And what is IMVU?

  sangie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  google

  kaioshin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  +1 for #1 useless answer.
It's FAs Job to explain it what they did and what it is.

  revamp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FA explain shit? What is this, 2006?

  rimefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  no, it's not their Job, it's job of monkeysuited guys in DC

  kikif

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Shitty clone of SL, that's browser based, and charges more for shit than SL.

  kaioshin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Never played it or had a look at SL, only know 3D graphics stuff. But read that people like that one more than IMVU.


  kikif

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah, SL has a huge Furry community. Because it's actually good, and not just some shitty 3d browser thing.

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  But what does it mean for US, the furries

  spontaneousfred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Less website functionality and more ads for IMVU.

Plus you'll probably have to link an IMVU account and install the client. Maybe even get to put your furry art on a 3D chatroom that you'll never go to.

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  is your avatar a cropped porn flash?

  spontaneousfred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yes.

Yes it is.

You can find it as the latest submission on my page. :P

  amethystlongcat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's hypnotic @-@

  jbcblank

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I looked, and enjoyed.

  spontaneousfred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  My ass and his ass are there for your enjoyment, so yay~

  jbcblank

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Then I shall enjoy it some more

  cassiehfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This site really wants to die, doesn't it.

  streetdog

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Lul

  meep.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Welp i can't wait to see the comments over this

  spontaneousfred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Here's a comment, all giftwrapped just for you.

  meep.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  omg a present comment! How special! [I love your icon]

  spontaneousfred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why thank you

It's from a larger piece on my profile, by fuzzamorous  fuzzamorous

  meowchi75

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Same

  kabier

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well great

  makifoxcat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What does this even mean? o^o

  revamp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Prepare for some bullshit. And make sure to have IB SF WL handy

  drago2009

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I might have to reset my IMVU account.

  nova25

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU, what now ?
I think lots of people are gonna Google that one.

  kayla-na

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is IMVU?

  meep.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://www.imvu.com/
a online chat program kinda like Second life except you can only move in pose spots instead of wandering a area

  kayla-na

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ಠ_ಠ

Ahm....how is a 3D chat program going to help FA in general?

  meep.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Lord only knows. But their infamous for INTENSE ADS ALL OVER YOUR FACE.


  rukaisho

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Adblock plus is your friend.

  mrs-slaughter

#link     Posted: a year ago

  THİS

  gambot747

#link     Posted: a year ago

  MVPS hosts file, much better and you don't see them selling out to ad companies. Plus, being a host file, no annoying updaters, plugins or vague privacy policies.

  quilmeleon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So Glad I have it. Though WAS turned off for FA.

  mrs-slaughter

#link     Posted: a year ago

  okai

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Same way Disney helped Marvel by buying them out. More money, better funding and better product.

People complained about that too.

  kayla-na

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Not really complaining, I was confused honestly, and this just seemed like out of left field.

  tsen-dragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  shitty version of second life

  lillycorthaine

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Think of SecondLife or a 3D chatroom

Except from what I heard, its pretty horrible. I've no opinion about it though since I've never used it.

  sangie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's like SL except you can't walk and you have to pay at least $20 to actually use it

Oh yeah and nothing in it is free. And the things you buy go directly to IMVU, not the creators.

  lillycorthaine

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That's fucking stupid

  fawk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hi, I am a creator on IMVU. You do not have to pay money to use IMVU and I do make profit from the sales of what I make.

  sjru

#link     Posted: a year ago

  >inb4 drama

  syderakaris

#link     Posted: a year ago

  aawww beat me to it :<

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He sold it to a 3d chat website, I think the drama has begun.

  victor-933

#link     Posted: a year ago

  >in during drama

  quilmeleon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Very common in the community

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Furry is nothing but drama 25/8/366

  twilight-goddess

#link     Posted: a year ago

  holy what

  doco

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That is great news. Not.

I foresee that being a -real- blow to what's left of the community on here.

  ashyr

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That's...odd

What changes are we going to see from this?

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  People over at IMVU being offended by the porn and adding new bans and extreme rules to FA might be one...

  alphasempaiwolviesyxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This. -.-;

  spontaneousfred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Rule 1. Fursonas cannot have muzzles or be covered in fur.

Rule 2. Fursonas must have human feet and hands, no paws.

Please follow these steps to avoid any implications of beastiality here on IMVUffinity.

  toxicpup

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^^^This^^^

Its all going downhill from here xD

  farnorthsaibre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I lol'd. So hard. You win. Have a +1 interwebz.

  spontaneousfred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yay! That's like my 4rd interwebz!

  mrs-slaughter

#link     Posted: a year ago

  thats kinda weird

i mean this site have lots of lots pictures but FA is joining to imvu......i hope nothing will gone wrong

  mirriringfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You're a week and 6 days early, guys.

  nushaa

#link     Posted: a year ago

  what they said.

  satsukii

#link     Posted: a year ago

  HA

  roythedragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  xD

  twilight-goddess

#link     Posted: a year ago

  omg

  eradragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  + This comment.

  haystack

#link     Posted: a year ago

  dang, I hope so!

if not, I'm gonna have to find some means of Weasyling my way out of this predicament!



  aspenbear

#link     Posted: a year ago

  that was the best hidden joke out of this whole tread.


  vaerinn

#link     Posted: a year ago

  not emptyquoting

  sketh

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Tbh I had to check the date to make sure it wasn't April 1st when this showed up.........

  rukaisho

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This better not be like when Google bought Youtube, or else heads will roll.

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I doubt they'll do anything like force us to use Google Plus to access this site ;P

  draggissarscripty

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Agreed

  keeshah

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That is what I'm thinking is going to happen.

Or when yahoo bought Egroups an fucked it up into unuseability

  acer1995

#link     Posted: a year ago

  nah

  spookysushi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  whelp we're fucked, get ready for a shit ton more drama of biblical proportions

way to go FA

  rivin2e

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Welp, time to change my password, again.

  thefantasticmrcat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I haven't been worried since I changed my password to 200 digits of random numbers

  roycefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  what will IMVU do with FA? And plus, will there be advertisements or no?

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well, given I've got about $20K worth of new hardware going into the site this weekend, we'll also get paid coding help, additional resources to expand, grow and make the site everything it's needed to be.

  nelly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That doesn't really answer the question - what is IMVU getting in return? FA isn't a great investment equity-wise. Are they going to be running more ads to monetize it or not?

If they decided to just give you guys $20K in hardware... I'd expect a job opening at IMVU real soon.

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Exactly. The value in FA is its user generated content. This raises the question of weather IMVU was promised control/ownership of the content. What else does FA have to offer? If this is the case, some serious shit is going to come down.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hello Dragoneer. Could you please clarify whether IMVU will now have rights to directly moderate Furaffinity? As in, if someone in their team happens to find some artwork offensive, can we expect another wave of censorship and new rules to hit FA? Thanks.

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  (noncommittally) Answers I've gleaned so far say no, that they will stay quite distinct, but the financial (burden) end is now held by a different organization, as well as the obligation to support the hardware.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Problem is that even in the civilized society of 2015, a lot of people just love to show their morality by attacking everything that's porn. This is especially the case in large corporations... for example Paypal still isn't okay with people sending money through them for NSFW art! Imvu is a somewhat popular project, which I heard about every now and then. So I imagine there's a high chance that someone there will one day wake up and say "we don't want to associate with all the porn on FA, it's bad for business and makes us look immoral".

  roycefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If that is so, then they will probably have to sell the rights back to dragoneer and fender.

  emilanarchy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  More likely, they'll look at their balance sheets, see theyre losing money, and just shut FA down or sell it to someone else who will give even less of a shit about the furry community.

  sangie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Where does Adam Wan fall into this. He was working on Phoenix and honestly too big of a project for one person.

Will FA be redone from the ground up? Because it should be. There is some old relic code in here.

  roycefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yes i see, but what will your patron get in return?

  kajet

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Isn't it kinda early for bad april fools jokes?

  phlegm

#link     Posted: a year ago

  THIS

  roycefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  We will have to see

  obsceneoblivion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  wtf

  dexteronomion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lol

  hetsu

#link     Posted: a year ago

 

  rokosho

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh poop

  angewomonslover

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU?

You mean that weird 3D chat thing that has advertisements that look like spyware/scams?

why

  laini

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Money, dear boy.


  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Because Furaffinity.

  wolfelysia

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No no.
Because Dragoneer.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think Dragoneer is cool... other admins / moderators have probably ruined the site in the past. Regarding the deal specifically, I'm a bit worried but still neutral until I see exactly what happens.

  wolfelysia

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Sadly since joining I've seen nothing but destruction and his name is always present =/ I don't mind him as a person because I have never met him xD

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If you think any admin/mod has contributed more to "ruined the site" than Dragoneer, you are severely under-informed. If nothing else, keep in mind that any horrible admin/mod had to have been appointed by him in the first place.

  eddydabunni

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If you really think hes not that bad then you do not know him at all.


  toayk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This could be either really good or really bad

  jroy101

#link     Posted: a year ago

  my bet is on the latter

  secretpornaccount

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lol

  spontaneousfred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lololol

  thefantasticmrcat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Looks shit

  Comment hidden by its author
  radiantblaze

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well this was...unexpected

  randomdarkguy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU, a knockoff Second Life with far less features, at a much higher price. Want anything other than the default avatars? Better pull out that Debit/Credit Card. And while Linden Lab doesn't do a very spectacular job with SL either as of late, at least if you know how you can make your own avatar and items, and even sell them. Thanks FA, you sure are a beacon of leadership on the internet.

  jasonafex

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I was kinda wondering why those ads appeared rather frequently. I wasn't aware FA was in the top 1,500 websites. Is that in regards to daily traffic?

Will this mean the IMVU guys will have power beyond advertisement? I doubt anything harmful would come as a result from that, but was just curious.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Let's hope there aren't any idiots over at IMVU who will find god knows what type of art offensive, and introduce even more censorship to FA than the extreme amount it already has.

  kriticalerror

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Just wanted to mention Dragoneer is also on the "Staff" for IMVU, he works there as well as what he does for Fa. I'm sure this will be a great thing to b honest...

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ah, didn't know that. Interesting... it makes a bit more sense in that case.

  sangie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  They already, on their site, have some of the shoddyist advertisers. They give you "points" if you complete BS offers such as http://www.retailsurveysonline.com/Flow.aspx

They are so money hungry. During this, they keep IMVU in "beta" status so that they don't have to warranty it.

It's been beta status for 8 years v.v

  bolly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  :|

  scoopicus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  holy shit

i can't. i can't even fucking do it this time. this is a bigger fucking joke than i could ever possibly make.

  tsen-dragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  your icon is just perfect for your comment

  spikedkanine

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It was his expression when he read this journal.

  vaerinn

#link     Posted: a year ago

  satire is dead

rip in piss

  stu-the-aggron

#link     Posted: a year ago

  yes

  highwayequinox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  :(

Goodnight, sweet Scoopicus, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If this won't mean new crazy rules / art bans / censorship on FA, I don't really care. Sounds like it might be helpful in some aspects, but I'm worried what changes this might bring to the site...

  toxicpup

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Agreed!

  soraxroxas2

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Illuminati CONFIRMED

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I fail to see how IMVU is even remotely relevant to FA....but I'm more worried about the spycam/scam ads that they have finding their way here.

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm heavily against that, and have made that clear from the get go. Pop up, pop under and those "you've one!" or "this one trick" ads are the bane of the internet, and I do not want them. They have no place anywhere.

  nitro

#link     Posted: a year ago

  but surely if you're no longer the owner then you also don't have the final say on that kind of thing?

  kaiizree

#link     Posted: a year ago

  im sure some kind of contract was written up beforehand to make sure imvu doesnt destroy FA

  roycefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  of course, they gotta make sure these things dont fuck up FA or FA owners would be suing their sorry asses

  revamp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What owners? FAs gonna be sorely screwed in the long run

  shinichitrurai

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FA is being kept separate from IMVU so they can't fuck shit up on FA, they are just funding FA. So, basically, Dragoneer still has full ownership of FA.

  revamp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He sold the rights. As neer stated they have final word. I don't trust it period.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Where'd he state that they have the final word on administrative changes? Not arguing, I just haven't seen that claim.

  revamp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Somewhere in this pile on comments

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  How nice of them to see this site which has somehow been completely unable to keep up with ANY other site of its kind in any way other than sheer number of users, which has regular and significant breakdowns, and total inability to manage its finances despite MULTIPLE donation drives gaining amounts well past 10k each time, and they decide "Hey! Let;s give that guy $20K in hardware, our own paid coders to support him, and not exert ANY control or changes whatsoever!"

How very, very, nice of them.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think their benefit is in dedicated adspace and the attention of a community which will help reform their own community and could potentially give them the market resources to actually compete with SL. I see a lot of IMVU site changes in the near future.

  shadoweon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And what happens when/if IMVU decides they are not making enough profit to keep FA? I am truly worried they will just suddenly shut down the website,possibly without warning.

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Strike that. Reverse it.

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yup, that's my main concern. We don't need this site acting any more like a porn site :p

  roycefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  But hey, rule 34

  bookertw

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That's all well and good, until such sentiments are an inconvenience to their revenue stream and they either give you the boot or find a way to circumvent you.

  runefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No offense, but you no longer have the authority to make that decision.

  kriticalerror

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It was probably stated in a signed contract, I'm sure he does have authority to say. Not to mention he's a member of IMVU staff now too.

  runefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well that's just it - He's an employee now, not an owner. IMVU owns the site. We don't know what the contract said, but until FA's codebase is modernized, they'll need Dragoneer and whoever else can decipher the mess that is the backend in order to make the transition. It's not as though FA actually makes any money, so IMVU is definitely after personal information out of the deal. Once the site's modernized, I imagine they'll have their fingers in a little deeper than Dragoneer lets on.

  ivanbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If IMVU owns the site, it doesn't matter what you think/wish/want anymore does it.

  tombfyre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A tad early for April Fools, don'tcha think? ^^

  larathen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  what

  tanorfaux

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wow really? IMVU is the last community I'd ever think of helping out with FA. Next you're going to tell me we'll get a 3D FurAffinity world of our own...buying second rate virtual sonas and clothing and extensive ads.

  grandorg22

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i am curious how good that will work out then. I hope it will increase the Persormance of the Web-Servers.

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh goodie, I forsee paid accounts.

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  There are no plans for that, so...

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Now. That could change at any time since they own it.

  boredkomix

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^ This.

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It could have changed at any time before as well.

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think what they're backhandedly saying is they trust/trusted you and that it was not a worry before but it is now.

Funny how the contentment of a crowd only actually shows when it's disturbed, even if only to the eye and the substance of their happiness not actually threatened

  sciencefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  But now, if it DOES change (or anything else for that matter) you can wash your hands of it, because they own the site. You are absolved of all responsibility, when it comes down to it.

  shadowclaw

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The difference is FA is a community for artists and people who like art and stuff like that. IMVU was created solely for monetary gain. Stop trying to ignore that fact.

  voltashkore

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That is true but I've seen many people saying that IMVU will act nice to start then force people to pay and stuff. If that occurs FA is done. It used to and for now still is about the community but new company means we could be in serious shit in the future. It all depends on their choices

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Dude, don't be flippant with people. You're ignoring real questions, and giving non-answers, if you're not going to respond to those things, don't go making little smart-ass posts like this at people.

The point is that no matter how much you've fucked up over the years, people still mostly trusted that whether or not you were any good at it, your INTENT was always for the best interests of this site and the people using it.

Now it's owned by someone else, someone most people here have never even heard of, and someone with no real visible connection or relation to this fandom or this community. The OBVIOUS and logical conclusion, the ONLY thing that makes any sense for why IMVU would acquire something like FA is money.

Acting like they're just really awesome and super-nice and this only means they're helping you make FA better because the ONLY reason you haven't already made FA better is just lack of resources (an insult in itself to the countless people who've thrown tens of thousands of dollars at you, or the countless professional and competent people who've offered their time and expertise to do what yak clearly cannot) is either extremely dishonest, or unfathomably gullible and naive if you actually believe that to be the truth.

  magic-rena

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^

THIS

FUCKING THIS



  trojancentaur

#link     Posted: a year ago

  *round of applause*

  darius-drasko-hunter

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^ This has merit!

  spikedkanine

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Can...can I just...
-gets down on one knee and attempts to marry this comment-

  november

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think this aptly describes the feeling right now. The attitude to brush off questions with little one-liners to barely scraps the surface of the underlying discontent is extremely unsettling and fraying a lot of nerves.

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He's in a situation where him being ousted is a foregone conclusion. He's an employee, and he says there are timeframes, expectations, and consequences should he fail to do his job. Unless he's lying about that, then it is only a matter of WHEN those deadlines hit and when he gets fired and replaced. If there was any capacity whatsoever for him to do this job at all, FA would not have the history it does. IMVU paying him money and offering resources for him to utilize is no different than the tens of thousands of dollars furries have thrown at him only for him to burn it all, or the countless people offering their expertise and skill for free, only to be turned away in favor of a guy who's outright threatened to completely destroy the site multiple times.

FA's failings are not, and have never been about lack of funds or resources. They have ALL, always come down to just Dragoneer himself, plain and simple.

WHEN he gets fired and replaced, which would be a blessing if practically ANYONE ELSE who had offered to buy him out were in charge, that is what is cause for concern. IMVU is not furries, are not personally invested in this fandom/community/subculture, and their offerings to appeal to furries are clear indication of a drastic absence of knowledge or awareness of what a "furry" is.

People who were around when FA was created (not by Dragoneer, everyone who might not be aware of that - he didn't create it, he bought it ) specifically as a result of SheexyArt removing porn are reasonably concerned that FA may now end up dying the same way Sheezy did.

  shadoweon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Deviantart,IMVU,SL, and many other sites use paid account features. FA was one site that doesn't,the company that now owns it is one of those kind of sites.

Can you give us some kind of proof to ensure the new owners will not decided to make a change?

And another question: What happens if IMVU decides FA is no longer profitable or something they want to invest in? I worry they will just straight up shut the place down. Was this discussed with the company when you sold it?

  fuffyfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And please keep it that way sir.

  majikcraft

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ohdear. I know IMVU is pretty strict on policing minors - or they were, when I was there about a decade ago.

Will this event be changing FA's 18+/content policies at all?

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nope. No changes to any of FA's policies.

  majikcraft

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Woot!

  majikcraft

#link     Posted: a year ago

  NEXT question: IF things go sour.. is there a Get Out plan?

  ravagefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Weasyl?

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No, too many SJW there. Back to VCL.

  dastiger

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I lol'd, but it's true.

  aurion-magnus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Honestly I tried to join VCL on multiple occassions, but for some reason it's never seeming to allow new accounts (the site still sees some action, so it's not like it's 100% dead). I know it's no fA, but it wouldn't hurt to have an account there too in the likelihood that fA gets defeated for real this time....If one could even create an account..

  psykrow

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzkAUpSZfpY xD

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Society evolved a bit since 10 years ago. I can only hope that age discrimination online has died down since those days... at least enough to not bring new junk to FA

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!

Dragoneer you have got to be the DUMBEST PERSON! Getting partnership with Second Life, I would not mind. But this piece of trash SL want to be that is so lackluster that everyone keeps asking, "WHAT IS IMVU?"

Get your shit together man. Seriously.

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother coming back to FurAffinity. Oh right. This is where the good artists are because they tried going to Weasyl and people refused to support their decision to leave FA. Especially when they're blind to the fact FA's got a few staff members with dirty little "secrets."

This just takes the fucking cake though.

  boredkomix

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^ This.

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nothing's changing. IMVU's actually be a fantastic company to work with thus far. This will not change anything on the site except for a few ads.

  radiantblaze

#link     Posted: a year ago

  They already had a "few" ads posted here. Does this mean there will be more? And is the policy for personal advertisement on FA changing?

  anubiiswerewolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  famous last words Neer. I've heard this before

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I get that nothing is changing, but as a business partnering decision, this is... I don't understand. What's going to happen if IMVU goes bankrupt? Or closes down its doors? What will become of FurAffinity then?

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Asking because IMVU is slowly going the way of the dodo. I know there's a big furry community there, but their furry avatars are absolutely hideous in comparison with those of Second Life, there is no "movement" in the fact you are limited to seats 24/7, and it's also on very shaky ground right now. =X

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer can probably buy back the rights at the same cost he sold them for or less. I'm sure it's written into a contract somewhere. People don't just not think of those kinds of things when selling a business.

  teshsilhou

#link     Posted: 3 weeks ago

  with what money? He's seen no money just software/hardware upgrades.
All IMVU has done is made FA worth more and the upkeep rise. If IMVU goes down,
FA will most likly go down with it.

  roycefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So no changes. Theyre just suppliers?

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  From what I can tell, this is essentially sponsorship of the site in exchange for additional ad space. We'll probably see more ads for IMVU shops, IMVU in general, etc, and no other changes except actual followthrough of stated plans.

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hopefully they don't turn FA into IMVU LOL! This is one of the most peculiar things I've seen to be honest. Not saying it is a bad thing but just so random that a furry art gallery is being bought out by IMVU...WTF! XD

  lshadowdrako

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm just curious... But what precisely is it a 3D Chat site have to do with this place, aside from the potential resources they can offer towards upgrading the site?

And speaking of upgrading the site: Why do you need the help with that, when you have a entire community right here, who's more than willing to help and are capable of doing so by a good bit?

I mean its good news, but once again I mean you show how slow things are going and considering you want to be transparent towards your community, why is it you haven't given a announcement that a new partnership might happen and with whom, instead of this being a sudden new thing, there could do more harm than good, if it even changes anything?


  honeebunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lmao seriously? imvu is crap, and now it owns fa. does anyone who's ever tried sl even use imvu anymore? and what the heck is imvu even getting out of this, just advertising to furries?

  boredkomix

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU..? Seriously?? . . . Why?
I saw this coming. Especially after the IMVU ads started popping up repeatedly.
I don't see this as a good thing. Not at all.

  boredkomix

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's already begun: http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums.....psumb9c6yx.jpg

  leelee

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You know I DID see them but I HONESTLY couldn't put 2 and fish together...
that and I have addblock. so I only see it on my phone at times.

  notanythingimportant

#link     Posted: a year ago

  really hype to see them invest in hardware and software upgrades and then not get the user overlap (read: profit increase) they're hoping for and pull out and leave everybody high and dry

  kevon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Should have sold it to MySpace...

  oddball~

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You sir, have won the internet for the day.

Congrats!

  goldenrod

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^

Or Livejournal, or ICQ

  farnorthsaibre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  How about we just cut to the chase and sell it to Geocities who will turn around and sell it to Earthlink who in turn will sell it to Apple who will in turn make a nice profit handing it over to Motorola... the bit cycle of life~

  fuffyfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I hear AOL is interested..

  spikedkanine

#link     Posted: a year ago

  BUT WHAT ABOUT NAPSTER???????

  treznor1138

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So it couldn't be sold or partnered with another furry with deep pockets and love, but instead to a second rate 3D chat business where you buy thongs for imaginary Japanese school girls?

  gravewalker

#link     Posted: a year ago

  omg *claps* yes my thoughts exactly

  treznor1138

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I find it difficult to believe he decided to do this based on the good of the community. Since he does in fact work there I bet it helped him out with his position in the work place while bringing him back into the black after selling it. So what he meant to say was 'It's good for my personal situation'.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think you're missing the point.

By selling to IMVU, somewhere he already is employed, Neer is ensuring that he can remain in charge of site structure and policy rather than just ditching and leaving the site (which I bet he'd probably love to do by now). It wasn't a matter of selling to the highest bidder, or the best option. I don't think he had any other offers.

  treznor1138

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He had many options. Honestly if he cared as much as he stated he cares he would have let it stay in the hands of the community. There have been pretty sufficient offers thrown his way. Just check out the forums, it's buzzing with activity. The only reason why he did it this way was because he could have his cake and eat it too. Has nothing to do with what is best for the community, more so what benefits himself personally. With his previous history and tendency to deceive, I find it very difficult his choice was for the community rather his own personal gain. However this should come as no surprise really.

  danza

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Happened in Jan, only telling us now :P



  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  TRANSPARENCY!

  dragondoomlord

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wow... SERIOUSLY?! Where do you find the evidence for that?

  danza

#link     Posted: a year ago

  By using my eyes. First line :)

"We are proud to announce Fur Affinity has joined the IMVU (link) family. Fur Affinity (formerly a part of Ferrox Art LLC) was acquired by IMVU earlier this year in January 2015. "


  dragondoomlord

#link     Posted: a year ago

  can't believe I overlooked that date buh... I MEAN WTF?!

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I agree, but they probably had to make sure it actually went through before announcing it and all that...maybe? I understand why they didn't, but it's just /funny/ it came after they said FA was going to be transparent from now on!

  bunniehkins

#link     Posted: a year ago

  yaaaay...IMVU.....greeaaaat... /s

  armagare

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i dont see how partnering IMVU improves my FA experience nor do i know anyone who was asking no, demanding this merge to even happen (i could be wrong)
what does this 2nd life knock off have to do with FA and why do they needed to be merged?
Heck this seems a bit out of the blue, wasn't even on the list of phoenix project to-do's

  technochild

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So uh, reassuring journal aside, when should we expect sweeping changes to site policy to appease our new corporate overlords?

  kalmorisvaeng

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer answered this earlier in the comments. Nope! :3

  technochild

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I know, just being a sarcastic ass. I am a bit skeptical, but we'll see how this pans out.

  athdaraxen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Welp. I'm done here.
I've made a point never to get involved on all this but... Wow.
I played around with IMVU and hated it.

  dragzilla66

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Now we can make 3D model photos without being haressed and reported that it's a game screenshot lol.

  firr

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Thanks for the prompt alert, guys!

Glad to see you holding true to those talks about "transparency going forward"

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What? You don't see selling the website to someone two months ago and only telling us now as "transparent" enough? 8Y

What could POSSIBLY go wrong??

  hebby

#link     Posted: a year ago

  everyone panicking and leaving, oh wait.... atleast you know for the past few months nothing has really changed?

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hasn't exactly gotten better either.

  jinglez

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^^^^^^

  kushaba

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Fuck this gay earth im out :/

  iski

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I find this so bizarre.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is FA. Nothing here is bizarre... except normal things.

  charteam

#link     Posted: a year ago

  guess this explains the half rate "fursona" things from IMVU. im suprised the site is still around.

  dragonhead

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I now worry that this will happen six months from now: "We at IMVU have decided that FA is no longer a system that we wish to support so will be deleting everything then shutting it down."

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  getting that vibe too, honestly.

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Me too although I really hope not...that would be catastrophic to say the least!

  fuffyfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It would be catastrophic, most of my character art is saved on FA since my older computers are now long gone.. And im sure alot of other furs have classic art of there characters on here they do not want to lose..

  madhentairabbit

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Download them to a USB memory stick or hard drive while you can, then. (Which you should be doing anyway. The only truly safe place for important data you don't want to lose is to keep it on a physical object which you, personally, have control over. Trusting it to "the cloud" is foolish.)



  tenmashi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The download it to your current computer? Might want to upload it to a different more reliable art website while you're at it too. ;)

  notanythingimportant

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^^^^^^ 100%

very powerful feeling that IMVU is not going to see the user / profit margin increase they desire and pull out hahahah

  ireneblackwolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  yeaahh they dont even allow erect cocks on there

  secretpornaccount

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i wish

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Inkbunny / Sofurry are waiting for us after FA will self-destruct.

  nuzzcat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You mean Weasyl?

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah I think they mean Weasyl.

  revamp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That eyesore and lack of functionality? Nah I'm good

  ishiga-san

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "Lack of functionality"? Are you high? XD

It's no worse than here AT BEST.

  revamp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  From what I've experienced so far on Weasyl, that statement couldn't be further from the truth.but whatever. Use what you want to use

  nuzzcat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I haven't used Weasyl much so I can't comment on it, I just know it would be my 2nd choice of FA went down. I don't want to be accused of being a pedo for using Inkbunny, and Sofurry is pretty meh.

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You forgot Weasyl.

  lildreamer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Plus Weasyl and any others that might pop up because of this.

  deecoyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I really love Sofurry, I really, really do.

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I....I see this happening.

  sciencefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Indeed. And Dragoneer will have an easy way out of having to deal with FurAffinity, simply by saying he no longer owned the site and had no say in the matter.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why would they spontaneously shut down an incredibly popular website they paid presumably a lot of money for? That doesn't make sense.

  qtho

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nothing on the net is ever permanently deleted; at worst, it would be temporarily archived until someone rezzed it again.

  lordaltros

#link     Posted: a year ago

  if it helps minimize the damage from DDOS attacks, awesome.

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Next thing you know Furry pronz will be b& 4lyfe and then there will be like 5 submissions here XD Who knows...I mean I have no idea how much power IMVU holds over FA. They seem to be partners so will have influence...

  ireneblackwolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU is lame Secondlife would make a better partner


  retehi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Might as well have been sold to Xanga.

  ireneblackwolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Holy crap I forgot that was a thing.

  keskitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why wasn't this move announced sooner, like late January, right after you'd sold the site? Also, will you allow bulk downloads of submissions for people who don't want to associate with the new corporate overlords?

  laini

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://chrome.google.com/webstore/.....gmllckkh?hl=en
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/fi.....ownload-addon/
http://sourceforge. net/projects/gallerygrabber/

  adleisio

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Most useful post yet! :D

  dragondoomlord

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wow thanks for these :D

  keskitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I know of the existence of third party tools...and how the staff will do things to break those tools because they don't like people cross-posting/downloading to certain other sites. Given that there are some pretty ugly things in the new site's terms, like giving over redistribution rights, I want to know if FA is going to be honorable now that the rules have changed.

  infox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Did this happen before the DDoS donation drive?

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It happened towards the end of December 2014.

  crystalryuu

#link     Posted: a year ago

  speaking of the donation drive...when will people be receiving the things for different levels of donations? My husband was supposed to get a shirt.

  colada

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So that's a yes.

  red13nanaki

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well it's nice that this whole situation was so transparent that no one was allowed to see it.

  vortexlightgear

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So you needed the donation money for what, exactly? Being that this merger happened during that time and you yourself said it would improve the site.

You couldn't be more shady if you tried.

  tyvulpine

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Does this mean FA's speed will go from 1MBpS to 2? *crosses fingers* :P

  draca44

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Say what.

  uncemister

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wait, you guys are proud of this?

  jangofett777

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The End is Nigh!

now I really don't care if I get banned/suspended next week simply because I posted links to other web sites. this is confirmation that this site really is going down hill fast.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Thank goodness that wasn't a link to your Tumblr page. Also, I agree.

  jangofett777

#link     Posted: a year ago

  pretty much.

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That won't be happening. Period.

  jangofett777

#link     Posted: a year ago

  which one? me getting banned/suspended? or FA getting fucked by this deal?

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Probably all. When has someone been banned for a non-NSFW, non-inappropriate external link on FA?

  jangofett777

#link     Posted: a year ago

  they can ban anybody for posting a link to anything they don't like.

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Considering the creative director and moderative director of the site replied directly to your post, I guess you can expect a de facto verdict any time.

  jangofett777

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've been dealing with this shit for the past two weeks. I know what I'm talking about. if you want further info check my three latest journals on sofurry.

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895275

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  jango wasn't banned for it thankfully. But her incident shows that FA is neck-deep into weird censorship rules... and currently I can only worry whether they might get worse.

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'll agree there's a lot of uneven moderator activity, which I have good information is on the way to being leveled out with proper training, uniform and clearly listed regulations, etc

Thank you for presenting an actual case and not just "oh well everyone knows, you know"

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  When moderation of what people say or link in comments is removed, I will believe there's hope. Obviously with sane exceptions... like deleting comments where people plan or announce committing a crime or support terrorism, but not comments about the site or its rules or what other pages people link to (that's really ludicrous).

  ligerzerojager

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Inb4 FA falls flat on its face.

  leopardclaw

#link     Posted: a year ago

  All I've got to say to this is...dafuq to the power of 1000....

  plaguedog

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Will this change advertising on FA for people that buy or are looking to buy ad space?

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It will not.

  plaguedog

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ok! Thank you for your reply!

  ladonumia

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What about those that have a perma ad space? I know one person who has it.

  urick

#link     Posted: a year ago

  thats what I wonder about too since I WAS considering getting adspace

  dreamandnightmare

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Does the change in ownership pertain to anything particular when it comes to decisions concerning FurAffinitys responsibility towards the community? For instance, can the admin staff be overruled by the owner? If IMVU decides "We are gonna allow/ban a certain type of content on all of our partner sites, because we feel it does/does not suit our company policy, can you guys actually do something against that or do you have to comply, even if you feel the decision is wrong?
Let's say for instance they propose "We will add a premium service to FA, to allow people, like on deviantart, to get more features, but only by paying 5 dollars a month." Would you have to take that as it is, or would you be able to block that process completely?

I'd feel safer to know that this partnership could be severed, if needed, when there is the danger that FA might just become something like a sales platform, instead of something that is community driven.

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Decisions remain with me. Technically, they could override it, but I did get it in writing I'd still have creative direction over the site.

There are no plans to change anything other than make improvements.

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So what I get from this statement is that you have "control" but anything THEY want is going to be what happens.
I certainly don't hope things go downhill, I would LOVE to see all the GOOD parts come to FA and this website flourish the way it's always needed to but I'm super worried that even 6 months down the line it's going to change and there won't be anything anyone can do about it. It'd be a shame to see FA go out like that.

I certainly wish you good luck with all this because I can't imagine that it'll go as perfectly as we (the community as a whole) would want.

  dreamandnightmare

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Okay, that sounds reassuring. I understand that the support was sorely needed, especially after the trouble with the DDOS attacks and whatnot. I just hope, that if it really comes to a point where IMVU starts to intrude the community with measures that seem unfitting, that it can again become independent.

  lyk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  welll but IMVU why the heck must it be this shitty thingy.....

  dreamandnightmare

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It was clear that you had that opinion ^^

  lyk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well its a Chatting/dating thing with creepy looking Avatars and full of Facebook people, its just.....wrong....

  dreamandnightmare

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I dont care ^^

  lyk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  As long as IMVU is not misusing your stuff or forcing FA to become some sort of premium site to be allowed to upload stuff or something....and i pretty much see this coming.

  nelly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Getting creative control doesn't bar them from overruling you. There is very specific wording required here. A CEO may make the decisions in a company, but the board can quite easily overrule/replace them. If IMVU wanted to kick you out tomorrow, implement paid accounts, awful ads, and do everything they promised not to do, they have the legal right to do so and nobody can stop them, not even you.

I hope a lawyer explained this to you.

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is highly concerning. I think FA just signed its own death warrant.

  stokerbramwell

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "I hope a lawyer explained this to you."

You are giving waaaaay too much credit to our fearless leaders if you think professional counsel was involved in this decision.

  svelasquez

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That's exactly what Dragoneer just said. "Decisions remain with me. Technically, they could override it."

  nelly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I know, the point is that he's downplaying that fact.

  magic-rena

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is what people doesnt understand. Dragoneer might talk a lot about the comoany's supposed good intentions, but in the end they now own FA and are free to do whatever they want.

  blackchaos100

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So why did you not let us know when you signed off on this decisions about partnering with IMVU, That's what i'm wondering instead of waiting so long to let us know, kind of shady.

  tomoyuki

#link     Posted: a year ago

  We all know he's too dumb for that lol

  voltashkore

#link     Posted: a year ago

  How do we know they won't try to buy you out? I've seen it before. I mean I inow you're well thought out a lot of the two me but most people if not all crumble at the sight of $$$$$$$

  unnameddragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Did you get a buyback / reversion clause, or first right of repurchase, in case they no longer want the site or wish to sell it again / go defunct?

That's kind of the vibe I'm getting from comments, that their service isn't expected to last, or they may wish to sever FA from their service in the future.

My apologies in piggybacking on this comment chain. I haven't been through all the comments, but this seemed the relevant place to ask. Thank you. :)

  heilancoo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^ Curious about this too

  oversoul

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i know they say you can't sell your soul but how much did you get for the furry community

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Confirmed for selling FurAffinity.

Good job dude, you lost a lot of potential money with what is probably a really bad deal.

  rayvenredfield

#link     Posted: a year ago

  How about you do us all a favor Neer and creatively get lost already, and let someone competent run the site for a change? (oops, I guess it's too late for that now)
You've Had A Decade, that's ten years, Dragoneer, to improve 'your baby', and now that you've sold it, all you are is a puppet, and IMVU is pulling your strings. IMVU owns FA now, and by proxy, they own you, whether you believe that or not. You're just too blind to see it, and I almost feel sorry for you....... Almost.

After all the years of broken promises, lies, shitty service, horrendous hiring choices on SEVERAL occasions, etc. You deserve every bit of shit that's been slung at you these last two years.

  nelly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Unless that's explicitly worded in the contract - which we haven't seen, and we've only been vaguely told about long after the fact - the owner automatically has final decision and control over the site.

Without an explicit statement saying that the admin staff retains complete control (which, frankly, is pretty dumb in IMVU's eyes considering the admins could just say "no more ads") any pledge they make, like not putting in scammy ads, is wholly verbal and can be reversed at their leisure.

This is a very bad decision, and not involving the community reeks of bad intentions.

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've got a slight niggling feeling that they could ban ALL furry porn or something drastic like that. I know that sounds...dramatic but who knows? If they ban anything remotely adult on their game then that isn't too far from banning it on here. After all, if they own this site they'll want it to align with their company values and inevitably this could follow suit into no adult artwork or something. Or be totally transformed into something like deviantart. Who knows what the future holds. I hope they will just let Dragoneer and the FA staff get on with things as normal but just with more funding and better hardware etc. That would be the best outcome in my opinion as it would be good for the site and could help improve things a lot. I'm not too keen on IMVU as they're not a furry community nor do I like some of their seemingly shady spam advertisements etc. However I will reserve judgement until some months have passed and new changes/additions have been rolled out on the site. We'll see. I hope for the best as I've been a member on this site for nigh on 7 years now!

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  .... Weasyl.

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Already got it XD

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Good. :3

Hope they don't sell out to corporate!

  lichdog

#link     Posted: a year ago

  hahahahah what

  bluekewne

#link     Posted: a year ago

  *nearer my god to thee plays*

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What??? Your for-profit LLC was acquired in a merger that makes you more money AND will improve the site?!? WAAAAAAH

I mean I complained loudly and constantly when FA was independently owned, griped about the shoddy UI and support (but never contributed a penny) and compared Dragoneer to Hitler every time I mentioned his name, but this is SELLING OUT!!
I demand something for nothing! And even when I get it I'm not happy because I'm unpleasable! I HATE FA

  dragonteufel

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^everyone so far it seems

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm just worried about what a new owner will mean for FA, personally.

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I honestly don't think anything will come of it, even if IMVU goes belly-up they'll probably get bought out by their more successful competitor SL. Not a lawyer but I don't think that violates any antitrust laws as far as I know.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Fair point. I'm trying to remain optimistic; dragoneer said they have new hardware and coders coming into the mix. Hopefully that means even worst case scenario, FA will be more updated at the end of it.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I like you.

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Awwww. heartpls

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I doubt it was a true merger, sounds more like they messed up, because I don't see anyone on this side gaining anything; but IMVU has gained a popular website with a lot of active users to profit off it or use to further a corporate/political/technological agenda.

Think of all the oculus rifts and google glasses everyone will be wearing way down the line. Now we'll be guaranteed virtual reality furries so everyone can be "diverse" without expensive surgeries!

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  what

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44901141

  qtho

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Poignant.

  blindwatchman

#link     Posted: a year ago

  wells, I'm not particularly a fan of IMVU, but I am very happy to hear that FA will be having the resources to improve itself! I assume that IMVU expects to benefit from this arrangement though. How do they intend to monetize FA beyond ad revenue?

  snowbutt

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is a cruel, cruel joke.

  artythewulf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  so is u, nerd

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  dablobkips

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Lmfao

  lilkuu-chan

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well this explains a lot!

I've been seeing so many Second Life images being removed. IMVU must not like free advertising of their #1 competition. Lol

  kinne

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Actually, you're not allowed to post ANY images of games

  ruathan

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You can only post SL stuff if you either made it or significantly modded it. Unless that's changed recently.

  jasonafex

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I kinda hope it will be ok for people to upload created sonas from our fursona maker we plan to release down the track. I've seen a few users have their characters taken down already for screencapping Amorous.

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Zero rules changes have taken effect because of this.

  pascalfarful

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hell, if they don't stick shitty adds everywhere and make us pay money to do literally everything, or tell us what we can and can't do, I ain't bothered. But I'm not holding out much hope.

  ashlycoon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  People still play IMVU? Holly hell I haven't even touched that since I was a freshmen in high school XD

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I vaguely remember it from about 10 years ago. Haven't looked into it for nearly a decade though.

  lildreamer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It is still pretty crappy - I tried it again a few months back. Still can only stay on poseballs and no way to change the poses for size differences in avatars.

  roamingwulf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  In 12 days, this better be revealed to be an elaborate April Fools joke

  gourd

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "WHAT IS IMVU?!?!?!"
Better question. What is Google? God some of you people are fucking lazy.
Anyway, this shit is hilarious. IMVU? Really? xD

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  tsubaki

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Anticipated April's fools (?)

  talen2534

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I find it funny people are expecting a answer as to what will happen next.....When have they ever done that on fa?

  theheliumtiger

#link     Posted: a year ago

  fuck

  endium

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You'd think the people who have been complaining how nothing ever got done ever for years and years would be happy that FA got bought out. *reads comments* Nope! What a surprise.

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is going to allow a TON to get done. And a lot has gotten done on the back end.

  max392

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Excuse me, are you going give up at furaffinity.net? thats why i ask.

  kinky-kitty

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What is this going to do to the TOS? Does IMVU get any say in the content that can be uploaded? Their "Sex is bad and everything should be family appropriate" thing they got going on would piss off a rather LARGE sum of FA artists and users, should it become rolled out on here.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Especially if IMVU are some of those anti-porn fanatics, this is pretty worrying.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's been stated in a few places that no content or rule changes are going to be made or have been made since the merge. I don't think anything is going to change on FA's end, but IMVU may change its policies to try to compete with SL, using FA as a community base to appeal to (since many of us use SL frequently for RP purposes and dislike it for one reason or another) for popularity.

  lilkuu-chan

#link     Posted: a year ago

  They'll just make us pay to see Adult content just like their game I bet.

  adleisio

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It isn't so much that it got bought out, it is who it got bought out by.

  voltashkore

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I feel the same about some arguments people have. But sadly I think they mainly worry about losing the site to paid usage and that. I highly doubt it'll happen but the future is unclear even for Dragoneer. Only time will tell won't it?

  foxfury

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's my birthday today to. And I hate IMVU

Bleh.

Not that it really matters or anything.

  arclis

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I will give you birthday hugs then, because you need them.

  foxfury

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Aww thank you <3 much appreciated ^^

  hiromikitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Happy birthday, Fox!

  foxfury

#link     Posted: a year ago

  AAAHHH! Thank you ;3; <3 so many loves! *huggles*

  lickyluckylatrans

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Happy birthday despite the small bit of chaos lol.

  foxfury

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Thank you xD it's been a crazy one for sure

  blackchaos100

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Lol slowly dying website.

  spix

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So this was already in the works, if not implemented, in January?

Thanks for telling us ahead of time, yeah.

  laini

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Remember, FA is all about transparency!

  santiyume

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I... Was not aware IMVU was a still a thing?
If nothing is changing I really don't see the point of sayif they own FA.
No one really knows about IMVU ( with good reason, it was never a good site).
So it's not like people are gonna be excited about this, it just concerns people.

  rebelnightwolfe

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm here to look at all the cute icons and such.

  doornob

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Likewise : P

  darthaislin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Considering IMVU hasn't been cool since 2005 I can't really put a finger on why you'd consider this, unless it all came down to Them playing sugar daddy for site upgrades.

  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FurAffinity looks like something out of 2005 despite the upgrades they've claimed to have made, so it's a match made in Hades.

  darthaislin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I believe that to be a grand insult to Hades, I'm sure he'd have better decisions than this.

  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  True. I'm not sure what to say as it would be an insult to wherever I say this is a match made in.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it was for and I'm 100% okay with that. If it means actual site support, TT support, changes being made on schedule, etc. I am a happy camper.

  maywire

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Lol at everyone that donated lol

  cryptrat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  User data. Will they have access to it?

  toeclaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A very good question - what access with these people have to people's data and information?

  cryptrat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Like if they aren't planning to actually make structural changes to the website, the only thing I can think of that they would be able to benefit from investing in FA is if they were able to sell user data.

I'm trying to figure out who this actually benefits more, IMVU or FA.

  toeclaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think that's a rather easy answer - benefits them far more than us. I personally don't want my user-data being taken by some crappy VR game in an attempt to market services to me that I don't care about. :/

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer is still in charge of the site, now he's getting the finances he needs to hire coders and make changes as necessary. I highly doubt user data will be sold.

I think the mutual benefit is in FA essentially getting a hardware and coding sugar daddy while IMVU gets a whole community to itself to appeal to with game changes, policy changes, etc. of its own. I think IMVU is about to start really competing with SL and this was their first step in publicizing their changes in such a way that people will look on them favorably for the first time since 2005.

There really isn't much user data on FA to sell, at least not enough to warrant a buyout. Neer's already stated that user content policy and distribution rights will not change. I believe the advertisement and community attention was what IMVU was after in revamping their own company while also getting to be the good Samaritan to the dying, outdated, DDOS-riddled site that we know and love.

  cryptrat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I suppose it would be neat if a game company catered/pandered to furries.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah, I think furries are pretty much 90% of the IMVU userbase versus the still large but significantly lower percentage of furries on SL. It'd be a smart business decision for IMVU to cater to us entirely by updating and recreating their chat platform to entirely appeal to us.

  immelmann

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Finally, FurAffinity can sell out and just become furry DeviantArt. It's a dream come true.

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6i7.....WXs1qfph1s.gif

  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It wouldn't be so bad if FA were more like DeviantArt. DA doesn't go down if so much as a squirrel runs across the power line.

  toeclaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Never heard of'em. Certainly hope it does not signal the demise of FA as we know it.

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It doesn't, but internet people love to complain.

  toeclaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I certainly hope it will work out for the better.

  zealousraptor

#link     Posted: a year ago

  yay for the SL knockoff i guess?

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I don't know how good or bad Imvu is, haven't tried it in a decade. But really, Second Life isn't the only 3D virtual space out there. Saying it's a knockoff is like saying any FPS game other than Unreal Tournament is a ripoff of UT. It's a genre... currently it has Second Life, Imvu, and HighFidelity is looking very promising!

  lordofflamingroses

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Okay let me point out several things wrong with this.
1.) IMVU Isn't totally free, you'd have to pay for things so you don't appear to be a hobo on the internet.
2.) You chose just now to tell us? Two months after January of this year?
3.) Like we need to let the creeps hidden around here loose on IMVU, is that really such a good idea?


  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nostalgia Critic Voice: "Cause... you know.. TRANSPARENCY!

  lordofflamingroses

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I really hate that dude, he pushes all the wrong buttons.

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No offense to 'neer, But he's about as transparent as a fifty foot steel brick re-enforced obsidian wall.

  seraph

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What the heck is IMVU?

  toradoshi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why IMVU...?

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I guess they named the right price? Hopefully it's not IMVU buying up whatever's for sale in an effort to inflate their stock prices before bailing out.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I doubt it. That seems silly; it'd be a stupid amount of investment if that's all they wanted to do. I think they're using FA as a boost for their own game/site changes to bring IMVU into the current generation of 3D chat platforms, instead of just toddling along at SL's coattails.

Using FA's community and dedicated adspace, IMVU could easily swell to five times the userbase currently active in-game and keep growing. That would bring down marketplace prices and add to the creative community, motivate them to evolve game design and graphics and such, and altogether make the buy well worth it in the long run.

  hulex

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lol

  techkat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Come on, guys. Give FA a break. Dragoneer never said anything along the lines of "To post comments, you now need an IMVU account." or "You are required to use IMVU 2 hours a day" etc.
The only difference is better website performances and new features. Heck, having IMVU acquire FA may give us web coders an opportunity to help work on FA's features. You never know.

You all complain when FA has performance issues, whining that it's 'affecting your business and income'. To be fair, it is not a business unless you have a business license. It's a hobby, that you get paid to do.
Well, hallelujah. IMVU is welcoming FA to their resources to provide a better website experience. Aren't you all happy now?

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  randomdarkguy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Considering the shady past most of FA's Staff and decisions have? No, many of us are not.

  dreamandnightmare

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Is that a sensible comment I see? I must be dreaming! Joke's aside. I'm iffy about this. I really am. I haven't been complaining about FAs performance, just hoping it would improve. If it does with this deal, I am indeed happy. If things go downhill, it would be bad... But then I'm hoping for a fundraiser to buy FAs independence back or something. I bet if every complaint here given would donate one dollar, it wouldn't even have been necessary to get into this IMVU deal. ;)

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Unfortunately FA's actual market worth if sold in a profit-oriented setting is millions of dollars.

I'm worried too but not because of presumed bad choices, only unknowns.

I have faith that while I know Dragoneer wanted to not be writing megabucks personal checks to keep FA running, he also wouldn't firesale the place, or give it over to someone he didn't trust and/or have some sort of panic button.

  celestina

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I file taxes. The IRS sure thinks I'm a business.

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Tell that to the hundreds of artists who file taxes every year from their artwork income because their art is a business.

  techkat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Okay, I may have worded the "not a business" part incorrectly. Pardon my mistake, I only just got in from work so I am very tired.

I understand some artists do in fact do art as a business and rely on FA's uptime. But compare that to the thousands who don't run as a business, you know what I mean.

What I was meant to say from that is, FA is sharing resources with IMVU, a.k.a their server racks and taking advantage of powerful servers and great internet speeds so there will be less whining about FA going down.

I apologize if I offended any artists that are paying their taxes to run their art business.

  dragondoomlord

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer has gotten many times donations for upgrades he promised he would do and never did, did half assedly, or many months after the fact, we have absolutely no guarantee this will improve the site in any way and all the rights to be skeptical.

  rottencanines

#link     Posted: a year ago

  yaaaaaaay the thing you have seen as ads on Facebook and other websites that no one has ever clicked because it looks so shitty and cheap and those who once clicked never clicked it again.

  firefoxzero

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Here, lemme hold this door open for all you fellows that want to flee the perceived sinking ship.

Never been on IMVU, from what I've seen its far from 'attractive' compared to Second Life. Also I wonder, how much 'free' stuff tied to this site is about to go out the window? Not everyone can 'pay to play', hopefully nothing like that will occur, hopefully.

  raptonx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This does not compute........

  commissarpazyryk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Capitalists.

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This comment wins. XD

  commissarpazyryk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ЗИJOЧIЙG ЧOЦR FRЭЗ ЭИTЗRPRISЭ ЬOЦRGЗOIS PIGDOGS?

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  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You'd prefer to pay a subscription fee? Servers aren't free.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'd pay $5 a month to be on this site, yeah, if Dragoneer did it. I make more than that on commission money and I've always wanted to support FA if I knew the donations ever improved anything on the site.

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'd take ads over subscription fees myself. Being mildly annoyed for a fraction of a second vs. enough for a tasty Subway footlong.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That's fair! I have adblock anyway, so they don't bother me haha.

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  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Install adblock plus and stop complaining. Seriously, that's ridiculously easy to resolve if that's your only complaint worth airing.

  da-fox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well.... on the good side....at least there's not gonna be any other "Donations" events.... Sad to know now that previous ones were now useless since its a different owner.

  belshazaroth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A dream and a tool of duct tape are dangerous in the right hands.

  renamonguyisfurreh

#link     Posted: a year ago

  New site rules:


-Posting anything Second Life related will now get you banned

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Considering the way excessive rules on FA have been made for years, this is seriously plausible.

  renamonguyisfurreh

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Pity, isn't it?

I'd say out of the two, Second Life actually has the larger furry userbase

Plus, IMVU furry avatars all look like "monster girl high" dolls TBH

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I prefer Second Life too, although I last tried IMVU a decade ago. In either case, I heard that it's both paid to a great extent, and also subject to the "anti-porn battles"... so I obviously prefer SL too.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is already a rule unless it's something you created yourself.

Neer has already stated that site policies and specifically the AUP aren't going to change.

  yodeldog

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ...o..kay?
*head tilt*


  tugs

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Good job asking the community ahead of time.

  demin8891

#link     Posted: a year ago

  We don't pay to use FA. There's no obligation for them to give us a say in how the site is run.

That said, what the fuck, Dragoneer?

What

the actual

fuck

  tugs

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If you're running a community site, its good for user relations to ask the community their thoughts before something so major. To not do so shifts your users from customers to products.

  demin8891

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I never said it wasn't a massive dick move. I'm fairly sure Weasyl somehow orchestrated this in order to funnel users.

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  CONSPIRACY!

  fuffyfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I agree the Users should have been consulted and we could have had this conversation BEFORE we were sold..

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Technically, no. But not at least mentioning they were considering it kind of takes the whole being "transparent" thing and chucks it out the window.

  demin8891

#link     Posted: a year ago

  See my above comment :P

  dragondoomlord

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Considering FA's revenue comes from the users paying ad space and donation drives... yeah at least the ones that do that deserve a saying or have their opinions heard before such a thing

  vinaru

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "Joined" = sold. Great thing, first collecting donations and then selling the thing, I call clever marketing.
Also IMVU lol.

  da-fox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I know right.... its the first thing that came to my mind too!

  neekomasochist

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU is inferior to SecondLife.

I left IMVU to play SecondLife.

I will not be playing IMVU again or even want anything to do with it.

Well done you gigantic wigglewaggles.

  unregisteredcat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I "played" IMVU when I was 13-14 years old, and stopped it was boring. I recently tried out second life, and I felt incredibly lost, I felt like I was looking into an alien website, I couldnt figure out how to do anything. Crazy learning curve. Obviously you buy "parts" to put on yourself, but it is anything but user-friendly if you want to create your character on there. There's an amazing lack of tutorials, and the few that exist make me feel like I need a bachelors degree or PHd.

With IMVU, there's a monumental lack of options and customization compared to SL, but even 13 year old me could get started on a stupid IMVU avatar. Not that that makes it any better, but it seems like its more "approachable" to younger people, or promiscuous growing teens with their mom's credit card.

  neekomasochist

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I dunno I had a different experience! And actually there are an immense amount of free furry avatars of pretty good quality out there to find, I suppose it was easier for me because a friend showed me it and what to do but almost a decade down the line I'm quite the knowledgeable person.

Personally if you want help getting into SL I could lend that assistance. There's actually islands dedicated to helping new people getting into the game and teaching them things like building and scripting.

  heifer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  We've made it, we're there

  daef

#link     Posted: a year ago

  holy shit

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh my god.
Dem shrekz

  heilancoo

#link     Posted: a year ago

 

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  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Your icon is perfectly suited for this journal.

  bloodceles

#link     Posted: a year ago

  curious what they said that would make an admin remove the comment..

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nothing flameworthy.


  bloodceles

#link     Posted: a year ago

  so just removing "just because" lol

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah, It was scoopicus  scoopicus that i commented to.

  rhilowood

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Zaush is a rapist?

I don't keep up with furry art drama. Please do tell.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He was never legally charged or convicted, so gnostically, no. A lot of people believe that he was due to he-said-she-said evidence which has never been proven or disproven. There's really not much more to tell, but if you're curious, try this.

  rhilowood

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Telling me to go to google would be a really edgy and smartassed comment if there was actually anything on google about it.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm not having any trouble finding stuff. Try using relevant keywords. Good luck!

  vappykid5

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I actually know what IMVU is. Welp, it's been fun I guess eh? Ironically I didn't think IMVU would even stay alive after its 5 year mark.

  kasune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lmao

  hali

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ...and then when IMVU starts dumping money into the laps of Furry artists to design new, sellable Furry IMVU avatars, the tone will change.

Not that I'm anticipating that ever happening, but it's a possibility and most people seem to be assuming the worst. I'll still be here, Weasyl, and www.matthewebel.com of course.

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  NO. No being sensible allowed. >:| This is the internet, you must wail and gnash your teeth and call it the end of days.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm really hoping this is the case. It seems to be the most sensible and plausible reason for IMVU to want to purchase FA; SL's reached a plateau of popularity and isn't really gaining more users like it used to. If IMVU is going to alter their site policies to become more community/user-based, and allow free users to flood the marketplace, we could wind up with a much more advanced 3D chat system with custom avatars, items, etc. that could make SL (still quite popular) actually obsolete in favor of IMVU.

  bac0n

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU used to be a community that supported creators in anything they made, ranging from anything from the most family friendly to R-rated.

Then one day they decided that sex was a TERRIBLE thing and anything related to it should be blacklisted and removed from their content, including the content that THEY CREATED.

To this day they disallow any material that involves even slight pelvic movement, aroused genitalia, or even body curves over a specific size.

I'm leaving FA now before IMVU gets its wish and begins censoring content here as well.

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Weasyl, InkBunny, and SoFurry are all good places to move to. I already made my move to the Weasyl and InkBunny, just in case FA goes down. I'd rather not lose all the pictures I paid hundreds on.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ouch... they're that type primitives too? I'm more worried over what might happen to FA in this case

  lthavoc

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think you are a bit too early for April fools jokes.

  seraph

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So, how do their policies affect FA's current TOS? Specifically content ownership and privacy policies?

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "Transparency." (For when it's convenient.)

Now to flood my gallery with IMVU screenshots.

If anything, I hope this means things actually getting done now that another corporation is breathing down FA's neck. Then again, when do things not fall through here?

Oh! Does this mean staff genuinely won't be a circlejerk anymore?

If this falls through, at least Weasyl finally will get everyone to come over.

  suburbanfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Prediction: Six months from now, IMVU are looking over their financial reports...

"Jesus Christ! That FA thing we bought is cutting into our margins! Get rid of it, and fast!"
"Yeah, we didn't make much by filling it with annoying adverts anyway. Only a few people joined IMVU, and they didn't really stay long or buy anything from the high-margin list..."
"Shut 'er down. Faster the better!"
"She'll be gone by this afternoon."

Later that afternoon...

"FurAffinity has been closed. It's been a fun ride, so long and thanks for all the fish. All your files are gone. Bye!"

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^^^^^^^^
THIIIIIIIIIIIS

  rebelnightwolfe

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "Obvious overlap"? Nobody I know even TALKS about it. I never even knew what the hell it was until I saw the ads for it. You've got to be kidding me.

  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I didn't know what IMVU was until I read this journal.

  kisharra

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You posted this too early.

It's not April 1st yet.

  boredkomix

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^ This. XD

  foxwolfgoof

#link     Posted: a year ago

  As a computer geek who watches every market he's in for cracks that he could fill post-graduation I have to say that I see a few directions this could take and none of them look good to me.

FA has never had a 'big data' feel to it. This isn't like Bad Dragon acquiring F-list.

FA is the largest collection of furry art and furry history on the Internet. Having that acquired by a non-furry company is more than a little concerning. I'd be okay if FA was bought by Bad Dragon, if it was bought by a company with furries at the helm, but I don't believe IMVU is capable of respecting the current and historical significance of FurAffinity to our culture.

EA Games assures the companies it buys that they'll operate independently, and then they're assimilated. The monetization strategies that most social networks have here would break something fundamental in FA's culture that I'm not sure the community would survive.

Unfortunately, you all deal with all of the vitriol directed to the heads of any social network and have stewardship quite like Wikipedia. You're not an art gallery, you're not a social network, you're not a wiki, you're not a forum, you're a combination of all four that's something incredible and something difficult.

I don't see how any non-furry company can respect that for long. Stick to your guns on remaining independent and preserving the community. It'd be a shame if Furaffinity became the next Livejournal.

  laini

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I don't think this is a good idea but "the current and historical significance of Furaffinity to our culture"?
What have you been smoking?


  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Our culture inherently implying the furry fandom...context...it's what's in the bowl

  foxwolfgoof

#link     Posted: a year ago

  THANK YOU TALKING SNAKE PERSON!

;P

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  miau

  danjen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I don't like Bad Dragon.
They are literally the Microsoft of the furry fandom, aggressively acquire websites, have shady business practices (which are documented), and have possible financial ties to most other furry sites. And this isn't inflammatory or speculation. Look it up.

Literally nobody that should have accountability in this fandom has any.

  azureparagon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well well well, look what we have here: IMVU, an interactive software I haven't touched in YEARS, and now, FA is involving it! Hmm.. :3

  rashinba

#link     Posted: a year ago

  kinda random...

  pyroassassin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's funny how it got bought out 2 months ago after promises to users saying "we'll be more transparent with you guys" Transparency? WHATS THAT?!

  kinky-kitty

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I have been on IMVU for a number of years, and feel that this was one of the worst ideas ever. =/. What is this? Is this going to turn FA into another site where you have to pay to access "adult" material, which is not even close to adult material? IMVU's business practices are sketchy at least, and that is saying things lightly. As a previous dev on IMVU, they had no issues throwing the banhammer for making "adult material" Can anyone assure us that IMVU's business practices of making you pay out the ass for everything is not going to float over to here? Are they going to get a say in what content can be uploaded to FA? If this is the case, I am packing up now and finding another furry site.

  cosmicbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i agree so so much!

  bac0n

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Seconded. IMVU has censored too much legitimately adult creativity already. I'm out as well.

  zercompf-sanika

#link     Posted: a year ago

  signal boost this comment all day.

  kinky-kitty

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Just a cause for concern. Does anyone remember WHY IMVU put in so much censorship? Money. Families were unwilling to let their kids use it, Target, 7/11, walmart, etc refused to carry their prepaid cards, due to the site holding a rating of AO, As you know, ratings are done by the most severe content in the item and that decides the ratings of the item as a whole. Regardless, with IMVU holding FA now, what is going to stop them from trying that shit here? I mean, what happens when those businesses and families find out that IMVU owns a site filled with a varying arrange of hardcore furry porn? Are they going to threaten to stop carrying prepaid cards in an attempt to force IMVU to censor FA? In the end, IMVU does not care about the end users, they care about the money, that is it. I am making sure to backup my artwork now, like the rest of you should, should shit hit the fan.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Would like an answer to this too! I'm worried these people might take their anti-porn war to FA as well...

  misora

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is the first time out of all of the shit that's gone down here on FA these last few years that legitimately made me drop my tablet pen from my hand and mouth wide open in a serious "ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!" moment.

  crimes

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^ this.

  heilancoo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^^

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  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Your userpage is still active.

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  pleistocene

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why complain? Keep in mind that over 3 million people like IMVU on Facebook, and that it is as seen on the Tonight Show, USA TODAY and Billboard.biz.

  limitedvision

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Does this mean there is less artist add space now? Will artists who have paid for add space be compensated now they're fighting for it more? Will IMVUs draconian censorship rules come into play here? So many questions

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Incredibly Mediocre Viewing Universe

  cosmicbunny

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i do worry about IMVU's content rules being brought over as i havent paid for AP on imvu and i am not going to pay to be able to submit and see mature and adult art, but i can see this being brought over


and as for the LARGE furry community IMVU has


no it doent, most furries dont even use the site they just create and sell on there

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think it's gonna be the other way around, and IMVU is going to adapt to FA's user policies and content rules to appeal to a wider audience.

  nemetfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Cheers!
Seriously, good on you for generating enough interest to create this partnership.

  whisperclaw

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Welcome to the dark(er) side fa! Hopefully you and imvu's partnership will work out.

I registered back on imvu back when it was just starting out (don't use it anymore, took a break from it) and it's definitely grown ALOT since it was created. As for the furry community on imvu? It's somewhat cliquish...oh wait, that's everywhere and everyone, furry and nonfurry, silly me...

  jitterstl

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wow way to fucking sell out

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yes, and I did so FA could get funding to improve and grow the site. FA's in the top 5,000 sites globally. It's grown far bigger than anyone could have ever imagined, and to maintain that growth and improve the site, hire coders, we need more funding. Rather than constantly request for donations, I opted to go with a company that wants to see FA succeed, grow and improve and invest in the site and our users.

  lshadowdrako

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer... You could have sold it to better places than a place many doesn't even know exists. Should have sold it to a good place like Bad-Dragon for instance. They know what's up, the Furry Community actually knows about them and likes it, the place is run by Furries and they already own two other places they have improved since acquiring them.

What you have done is pretty much doom FA unless they keep their promises. You have no say anymore. If IMVU wants to change something, you can do nothing but bend over like we the users have to your fuck ups through the years.

  rottencanines

#link     Posted: a year ago

  glad that we were on the same track and thought there

  kobura

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The question is who was looking to buy, and who had agreeable terms.

You can't "just sell" to anyone.

  lshadowdrako

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If you offer to someone, they take a look and can see something in it. Then it doesn't matter if they were looking to buy or not, now you have them looking to buy what you're offering.

  kriticalerror

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Dragoneer is a member of staff at IMVU :) Not to mention, he's more than likely signed a kind of contract protecting himself and the site to a degree :)

  rainthunder7

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yet another regular user who's making more logical points than the person in charge.

Of all people to "sell out" to, IMVU seems like more of a desperate choice more than anything. The way Neer says they're a company "that wants to see FA succeed" kind of makes it sound like there aren't many options... oooor maybe it's the first one that actually responded because IMVU themselves are desperate for attention since they're the poor man's Second Life?

I'm only throwing out half-serious ideas here. I don't have much investment in FA's future since I'm not submitting content due to shit like this. At worst, if FA goes downhill with the "paid adult content" thing people are hypothesizing, I know that EVERYONE will leave this place because that's the one thing FA has going for it - for now.

In any case, FA's track record for questionable decision-making lives on. The only FA announcement I've seen with some kind of positive response is anything relating to upgrading FA, which never goes anywhere.

  rottencanines

#link     Posted: a year ago

  but WHY IMVU? Surely there are better, other social networks that have furry communities? Do you even KNOW how little people know about IMVU, did you even glance through the comment section in this journal?
I am certain many people haven't even clicked the site link, because it's on ads everywhere, looks like a spyware and looks cheap as heck.

  treznor1138

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why not sell out to another furry with deep pockets and love for the community? Also did you gain anything personally from this?

  armagare

#link     Posted: a year ago

  *shrugs* should probably do a fallow up journal about all you've said so your not repeating yourself
i would assume that would get vary tiring but...who knows, people will still ask the same questions im sure....

apparently it was hard for people to click the obvious link for the IMVU earlier =/
hmmm dont really know how that happened.....


oh well if after 2 months you apparently merged a while ago nothing MAJORLY bad happened, probably nothing will for a while.
just with all this new money can we please get folders now =3 *begs hopefully*

  oneandonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Weird how google and facebook is the top site in the world yet they don't even need donations. Isn't it strange how that works?

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  *highlights this comment*

*puts this comment on the biggest LED sign I can find*

*APPLAUDS*



  toxicko

#link     Posted: a year ago

  because they have enough revenue from ads and their browser games to afford equipment? uh.

  oneandonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Seems like FA could learn a thing or two from them doesn't it?

  toxicko

#link     Posted: a year ago

  they could; but as of now they don't. the site is free. so they dont make money for their site to keep it running properly with all of the traffic. so they had to sell it. all of which is pretty understandable?

  oneandonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Google and Facebook is free too. They don't have to sell their sites.

  toxicko

#link     Posted: a year ago

  yeah, but as I said, they also have a lot more ads and even games that people willingly throw a LOT of money into; FA doesn't have that. I don't know how things like that work, but I'm sure that the money that comes from that probably helps run the site somehow. They're a lot bigger names too, a lot more people visiting. all of that traffic and attention is going to nab them a lot more money. and I'm pretty sure the ads on FA aren't paid for by big name companies, just local artists and such. So not a lot of money from that either. at least not as much as if for example say if Google paid for an ad to be on Facebook. but I don't really know much about that, I'm just trying to make sense of this.

  oneandonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hear this IMVU, you just bought a huge problem of a site. You are going to have to change the site considerably, and as soon as you start making this a paid service to get out of the negative income, people will leave. FA has shit on it's reputation repeatedly, especially with advertisers, which is part of the reason people are pissed off.

All I have to say is have fun while you can. You are a public company and because of that you have people to answer to in regards to money making. With all the money you poured into the site, hope you can make it back quick.

  adiago

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I hope to god you got a jewish lawyer to write up a REAL contract not a fucking INTERNET contract, to cover OUR asses. not yours, but OURS. because I sure as fuck wont pay to post my own adult artwork. And since that's the common theme with IMVU that does not bode well for FA.

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  corporate TRASH amirite

  dantevasquez

#link     Posted: a year ago

  HA HA HA
WHAT AN AMAZING APRIL FOOL'S JOKE.
RIGHT?
;_;

  max392

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And what happens if it was not joke?

  mrs-slaughter

#link     Posted: a year ago

  we are all doomed ! DX

  max392

#link     Posted: a year ago

  agreed.

  oneandonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMVU#Acquisitions
https://twitter.com/IMVU/status/578623205146951680
This is no joke

  max392

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh...
...
...
...
If they do something this site
then i leave.

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  wat if fa was not kil?
;w;

  kintuse

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I don't know what to think of this, but nothing good comes to mind either.

  servalthing

#link     Posted: a year ago

  excellent. maybe this will bring some corporate accountability to the furaffinity moderation clique.

  methodiarascal

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Excuse me while I laugh in a sarcastic manner over here.

  shirolongtail

#link     Posted: a year ago

  There's no such thing as operating independently with investment in the tens of thousands

  spontaneousfred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So that's why there were constant IMVU ads taking up massive portions of the screen all year.

  batastic

#link     Posted: a year ago

  iMVU doesn't even upgrade it's OWN hardware.. I left because of the bigotry and drama caused by the users, and now FA is joined with them? Don't be surprised if a couple thousand leave because of this, iMVU is not all what they seem to be. Their client itself sucks, and their customer service even more so. They don't care about their customers, only the money they can grab up. Hell I had harassment for months on end and iMVU did NOTHING to stop it. Good luck, I guess?

  lessthan3

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've actually been dreaming of a day when FA would "sellout" because it's too big and too important to continue to be run casually. Having an established business financing the site means oversight and a greater chance at a bright future, though there will be a lot of users who do not understand this change.

I am not real keen on IMVU but considering they actually target furries on a number of sites I am not shocked they would want a piece of the heart of the fandom. I have definitely seen their software show up on my client's computers as part of adware bundles so they clearly have some sort of referral process that can be abused.

That said, I truly believe something had to give. If this is the company willing to invest in FA, and they truly don't change anything content-wise for the worse, it is a very important and good decision. If they do, well, FA wasn't always the heart of the fandom. Life is change.

  subwooferfuhr

#link     Posted: a year ago

  My problem with this is with more corporate power generally comes more worry about lawsuits and hence more content restrictions. If I wanted a corporate experience, I would have hoped to DA. If they don't change anything, then I can see it being fine. However, it generally does change to be more restrictive, and I see this turning into a site been whitewashed of all it's "undesirables"/

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This. Especially since people are saying that IMVU are into the whole anti-porn war thing. We will see how this goes I guess.

  subwooferfuhr

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Basically I've got it on a probation atm. Will be filtering strongly though AUP changes. If they ever start encroaching, gonna drop it like it's hot.

  equusaislin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Welp. There goes FA.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This isn't accurate. I'm 100% certain this move was made for mutual benefit of both companies. I don't know why everyone's jumping to conclusions that this is the end of FurAffinity; the rage is seriously ridiculous and unfounded IMO.

  equusaislin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No rage, just honestly what I think ^_^

  makudaichi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is a joke. It has to be.

  necramancie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That's what I thought... until Neer confirmed the worst.

  makudaichi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh it is sad day.

  thefantasticmrcat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is FurAffinity. No matter how stupid it sounds; it's probably for real.

  makudaichi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  yeah..

  urick

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I wanna say here's hoping but I'll feel like a fool.
We'll see how this plays out, I guess.

  sticky-bubblegum

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ... ok.

  deriaz

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I always thought IMVU looked like one of those sites that trick people into installing a harmful program or something. Today I learned a thing. I'm... Not sure how I feel about that sort of news. I'm split right down the middle, but I guess if it helps with resources and improvements...?

I know there have been ads, but what a weird partnership. I mean, congratulations are in order, but man. Kinda weird to me.

  subwooferfuhr

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm... quite worried about this AUP and less control over ads. I've specifically excluded this site from ad block for a long time now, however if they become normal corporate ads rather than community ones, I'll be blocking those. It would be a shame a found a number of artists I watch now through ads.

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I disabled Furaffinity from my Adblock Plus. If however they ever start having ads about non-furry stuff and to advertise random junk, I will immediately block them here as well!

  chewylemon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  inb4 forced google plus IMVU integration with your FurAffinity accounts.

  iotafox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Omfg you made my day. That was beautiful

  mysticalsynergy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Done. Well done Dragoneer! Nice transparency buddy!
To Weasyl I go!

  savage-flux

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If I may, and because I can't be bothered looking through all the comments if anyone else asked, how much did IMVU pay for FA? How much advertising will they be adding? And I realise you are there won't be many changes but I'm not so sure so how much control do they have over the features and direction of the site and the community that it houses?

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  draconis0868

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wooooowwwwwwwww!

  shirolongtail

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Your avatar is perfect for this

  blitz-firepaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Everybody makes mistakes, but wow...

  thealphadoge

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU has more drama than Second life in comparison. I been on IMVU since i was 15, and on Second Life since i was 17(started in Teen Grid), people there are usually insecure and cant take a joke/criticism without blindly accusing you for some weird bullshit. Bringing them here, in the website, where is the most famous furry place for drama, will only ADD more to what it already has in the bottle of "Furry Drama".


ಠ_ಠ

BUT!
IMVU does have a lot of creative people and unique ideas which no other place has.

What does bug me there is....HUMAN FACES ON FUCKING STICK FIGURE FURRIES! -bleaches my eyes-


OKAY i'm calm now ♥

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm gonna stay quiet about this, since I have no idea of what IMVU is, never tried and, honestly, I'm not interested in trying it :3
I just hope they don't screw up (I'm looking at you, Google-Youtube)

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  starborneworks

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Whoa, wait, since January?

As in one month after raising $19,000 from the community you sold the site? And if that's when it was sold, then how long have negotiations been going on?
I find it hard to imagine they took under a month, so were you already in discussions to sell the site when the emergency fundraiser was running?

And to IMVU? Wow, hope you like nekos, because it looks like the only furry content they handle.

With all the problems with FA, I can't imagine it getting to the end of the year before IMVU realise what they've actually bought and pull the plug on it. :(

  negawolfie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ew why? Imvu is a terrible game, nothing but people trying to be all ghetto and idiots who can't speak a wink of English. Second life? Good idea but imvu? That's just sad. There's dozens of furries in SL than there is in imvu

  sasyn

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Great joke.

  kepidemic

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Forgive me if this has already been asked o: I'm all for more adverts if it helps the site. But just how many would there be? A lot of websites these days have an overpowering amount now. Such as DeviantART for non premium users.

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Adblock Plus.

  kepidemic

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I may have to resort to it! I'd just be reluctant to do so here cause I like finding new artists through the already existing adverts :c

  princesssingularity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I have long since learned that advertisements are only a way to see if someone has the money to pay for advertisements. It says nothing about their way of working or whether they produce good art.
I much rather find artists through the commissions my friends place with them, as it has led me to some very nummy artists in the past, with only a few artists in among them who seem to think they're the reason the world turns and will snap at you for no reason.

Now if the advertisements on sites were unobtrusive I would be far more willing to disable Adblock, but for some reason people tend to put these things in the most obnoxious of places and move the content I actually come to their sites for lower down on the page.
Pixiv especially has made some bad advertisement choices, but the same goes for DA and FA.

  kepidemic

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I never thought of it that way. They're some fair points! Although personally I've never had any trouble with the advert artists I've chosen to follow. I see where you're coming from though and I do personally prefer finding artists through friends myself too c:

True ;/ I guess it's just the way to make the most money since that's all that these websites seem to be about these days. Although I haven't any experience with Pixiv I definitely feel it's the case with DA with their premium memberships etc.

  mike004

#link     Posted: a year ago

  use Adblock Edge instead. Has no "allowed ads" whitelist like the corrupted Adblock Plus.

  notanythingimportant

#link     Posted: a year ago

  speaking of transparency, didn't people donate a large sum of money to FA not that long ago? as in, a month before the purchase? what did it do for the site now that something as large as IMVU is funneling into it?

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  We've got some server hardware from it we're installing this weekend, along with some other gear IMVU has provided. It also went to help pay for Cloudflare services and help mitigate much of the DDOS and the fees from it.

  notanythingimportant

#link     Posted: a year ago

  are we gonna get a breakdown of the cost of this? it was almost $20k, wasn't it?

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  you've explained this a lot but can you PINKY PROMISE this isn't an april fool's joke?

  kodad.s

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "DDOS"

riiiiiiiight

  sigma117

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You said elsewhere that IMVU are giving you about $20k worth of hardware so what does FA need about $40k in hardware for over such a short period?

  mei-xing

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Awesome, really. It is impressive how utterly bad this choice was. I would trust drug mobsters in my street with my debit card, before I would trust IMVU with my account information. I hope they paid handsomely. Because you backstabbed every person that supported that page during all these years, despite you people:

.. never updating the page
.. never implementing new features
.. begging for more donations to buy unnecessary hardware upgrades
.. outright refusing help from people who were FAR more knowledgeable and skilled in handling big pages.

What a jerk move. It's been nice two years for me.

  catweasel

#link     Posted: a year ago

  gross

  xasyr

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ya'll done fucked up.

  slainmonkey

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Shouldn't this have been announced a couple months back? I mean between this and your not informing us of who the new mods are (seriously what are you hiding now?) you've shattered your promises of "transparency" after the who Vidonuke thing blew up in your faces. Could you actually deliver on your promises, or you just makes them so that the people here just shut up?

  chewylemon

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
who the new mods are (seriously what are you hiding now?)

Speculation time with Chewy Lemon!
What if the new mods are IMVU employees?

  slainmonkey

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You know I wouldn't be shocked if some actually are

  shadowfoxnjp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No idea who that is can anyone inform me?

  grizzlies96

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well, based on what I've read here, a second-rate Second Life (not that I'm familiar with SL itself) and, based on what people are saying, shady and untrustworthy.

  shadowfoxnjp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Thank you, I have not played the game myself but doesn't sound like such a smart decision was made. I guess we will wait and see. Thanks for explaining, this post was slowing my computer down to much earlier to read it.

  roz303

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Awesome! Will there be efforts to revitalize IMVU for a better virtual experience, as well as making it more friendly? Also, will bitcoin be integrated? I'm rather excited for this! ^w^

  vexstacy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So....imvu rips away the rights for us to do art through their forums/site resulting in the need for the GASR forums...and then tries to reFind creativity through FA after fucking up? Brilliant.


  brevity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  what................ what the fuck...... what the actual factual fuck............

also why wuld you hide this from the FurAffinity community for months????? What happened to that "transparency" bullshit you tried to spit at us a few months ago?????

(oh and hiding your staff from the community nice nice)

  sigma117

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Get $20 in donations for hardware, proceed to sell the site and get about $20k more for hardware.

I want to know why FA needs $40k worth of hardware when its coding is as bad as it is.

  brevity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I want to know why they---- any of this!! All of this!! Just, why???

  sigma117

#link     Posted: a year ago

  On a personal level running a site like this can't be easy and the money would be really tempting to take. That and if what Neer is saying is true then something good can come of it (Actual code changes!).

The reasons for doing it are reasonable, I'd just be worried about anything that will happen as a result. With luck IMVU will have the sense to know that obtrusive ads and payment options will shoot themselves in the foot with FA's community being as wary as they are of this already.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > I want to know why FA needs $40k worth of hardware

Meeting scalability requirements, redundancy setups, offloading resource usage etc.

> when its coding is as bad as it is.

You speak as if poor performing software doesn't get better when you throw more hardware at it.

  sigma117

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Poor performing software does run better with more hardware but they'd likely be able to spend less than $40k updating the software to run on what they have, which also lets them redesign the site to scale better into the future. FA wasn't made to be this big and odds are there will be huge issues with code that hasn't been updated in years.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > Poor performing software does run better with more hardware but they'd likely be able to spend less than $40k updating the software to run on what they have, which also lets them redesign the site to scale better into the future.

I don't know where you're from, but here you can't even hire just one developer for $40k a year that has knowledge and real world experience with developing scalable solutions.

Note: I work in and I am senior in this industry.

  woodland-walker

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So Dragoneer has in a nutshell sold the site to somebody else because he was tired everybody kept going to him for the problems the site had.
I've seen IMVU, I've seen the users which use IMVU and to be honest I can see this all ending in tears.

Dragoneer has admitted he no longer OWNS the site, so has no control over what happens to the site when the OWNERS step in and decide they want to change things.

I'm wondering how long it's going to take before you have a pay per view service or have to get a premium account, to access certain things on here.

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He DID say that he still takes the decisions and he still is in control here

  woodland-walker

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That still remains to be seen.

  lshadowdrako

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He said IMVU can technically override any of his decisions...

It's also not 'technically' He sold the site to them. They own his ass now as long he works on FA in any capacity.

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm scared now

  kodad.s

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Did dragoneer ever do anything right ANYWAYS?

  alyxvixen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm already expecting half (or more) of the present staff getting fired by IMVU, when they do the inevitable background checks on them.

  arcius

#link     Posted: a year ago

  How will this effect the submission rules of FA? Would it be forced to be as clean as IMVU is and not allow anything suggestive over a PG13 level? Do I need to dump most of my gallery to prevent from being banned if that's the case, or are you guys gonna just delete anything rated Mature?

  versaceilluminati

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I BID 70,000 AND MY MIXTAPE

  ravenhallow

#link     Posted: a year ago

  80,000, PHOTOS OF MY ASS AND TWO PACKS OF GUM

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  videos of me having sex with a rabid feral wolf.

taking two chance XL flaired dildos and having sex with an HIV positive murrsuiter covered in shit in piss.


oh and 650 dollars USD.



  versaceilluminati

#link     Posted: a year ago

  700 and 14 shares of Fox network including FXX

  ravenhallow

#link     Posted: a year ago

  $200 and an autographed Uncle Kage Authentic Used Wineglass

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  free publicity and exposure :)

  versaceilluminati

#link     Posted: a year ago

  1000 IMVU points and a #1 at Burger King

  wdeleon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Enjoy your adware, everyone.

Well, everyone too stupid to already be using AdBlock Plus, at least.

  grizzlies96

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Your avatar perfectly matches the opinions of many right now.

  luckyliolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hahahahahaha you sold out.

  riffuchs

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Quick! Grab all the copper cables of value that are left before the last rat has left the sinking ship!

But IMVU isn't stupid. The Furry sub-culture grows contstantly and is blossoming. I think they wanted to get a foot into the fandom in case it start to becomes a valuable market for all sorts of stuff. Ring-Ring-Ca$h.

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Gotta pay for those extra profile customizations! :D

  deskai

#link     Posted: a year ago

  :V must of heard how gullible furries are, then again we are now in communities with a sub par not hardly even known 3D chat program, that whats call for "Furry accessories to make furry chars" are often ears and tails and skin work that dont look good...
IF they did wish to improve their furry community they gonna have a bad time :V

  renashe

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No.

  sierraracs

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This transaction took place in January and we are hearing about it in March? What about transparency? You have been posting updates in regards to updates to hardware and the such and making seem that this was a spinoff of the funds picked up in the Kickstarter. Can I correctly assume that the new company has paid for these resources? Am I also correct in assuming that you were paid for the site as you mention you sold it? What happens to the Kickstarter funds you acquired? Did that transfer over to the new company as assists? are you and anyone else associated with the site now employed by the new company? Will the community be able to know who exactly is "working"/"volunteering" for FA now and in the future?

There are a lot more questions I have but I am curious if these will be answered?

  athdaraxen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This a million times!

  crystalryuu

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeaaaaah I wanna know too...

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > What about transparency?

Clearly if he hadn't said anything about it, there would be no bawww right now. Every time FA ever announces or is transparent about something (such as when this deal was made), it leads to further bawww.

  kayla-na

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Is IMVU going to have access to user-related data and the like?

  urick

#link     Posted: a year ago

  thats my next question.. :/

  vanessamarietyson

#link     Posted: a year ago

  When you purchase a house, do you not get the keys to unlock all the doors?

Point proven.

  neomalik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This might actually make me leave FA. You done did sold the fandom's collective soul for an unspessified value that you won't even acknowledge. Great job 'Neer.

  xerxeswolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lmao this thread

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  rip FA
incoming pay per view per picture
all sexuality banned 4 ever

  skylerfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Remember when Dragoneer was asking for $25,000 just a couple months ago?

I bet some people are feeling like suckers now.

  felixandrews

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Scorch the motherfuckin' earth!

  solemn-snow

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I hope to see a positive Change.

  replictuanione

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So basically this will get angry mothers too and then you need to have AP to see porn, but not actual porn because else angry moms will get ya.

Don't get me wrong, but IMVU is getting no where, they are working on that for more than 8 years now and they still have not fix bugs that should have been fixed years ago.
Also, when are we getting a Credit system here with notes for sales, that is freaking lovely!

I really don't get why this happened, lol

  chewylemon

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
they still have not fix bugs that should have been fixed years ago.

A match made in heaven then.

  replictuanione

#link     Posted: a year ago

  True x3

  sangie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh gods... so this means FA ads on imvu.com which then means angry moms going on FA and now FA you can't have aroused penises, muzzles, or anything remotely appearing to be of animal origin.

Just face paint.

GREAT

  replictuanione

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yup!, pretty much going to happen! x3

  redsavage

#link     Posted: a year ago

  >take 10k in donations
>sell site


K

  butterflygoddess16

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Did that look suspicious? Urm...look at the pretty birdie, its a burd!! Don't think about anything else!!!

  sincerity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Not seen this asked yet and not trying to stir drama but you appear to have sold my personal information to another company. What assurances can you give that you'll continue to protect my personal information eg name, email, etc. Do IMVU now own the personal data you've gathered on me? Can they start emailing me offers and discounts? Can I opt out? I think it's really bad that we weren't informed ahead of a change of ownership.

  lshadowdrako

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU owns the site now. If they want to change something or acquire something from FA. Neer can do nothing to stop them.

  sincerity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Just to draw attention to your terms of service:

4.4 - Your private account information is only accessible by staff trained to handle it, is kept confidential, and is not sold to third parties.




  kodad.s

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Does that mean potential for a lawsuit?
Because that sounds like a hell of a time sign me up

  unnameddragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Actually, no. Since IMVU owns the site, they are a first party. If FA had sold your information to them but still been separately held, they would have been a third party then.

You have no legal basis to file suit, unless IMVU or FA sell your information to a third party...that they don't own as part of the "corporate family."

Keep in mind, there is usually legalese that lets their contractors and businesses they partner with see your information with any company. (Phone bills usually have this in the yearly privacy policy mailing.) There is usually an opt out clause where you must write in to be excluded. How it will work here, I don't have an idea.

They now have (and FA has had) a fiduciary duty to hold your information in private...but also in accordance with local and federal law (Patriot Act inquiries), and their own TOS, or FA's, so long as it is held as a separate entity and not simply a branch of IMVU.

That's my understanding, anyway.

  kodad.s

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That is really disappointing now it's only small scale drama and not a big thing lol

  sincerity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU acquired FA from its owner, Dragoneer. Until the sale went through they were a third party. Everyone who isn't Dragoneer is a third party. It doesn't matter what the status is now, it matters what the status was before the sale. It's not possible for IMVU to retroactively become owner of the site through time :)

FA's terms of service specifically stated (and as of the time of writing still do) that they would not sell personal data to a third party - selling the entire site including the database obviously counts as selling personal data, since that data is stored in the database which did not previously belong to IMVU and now does. I hope you and the others who made the same argument understand because I'm not sure I can be more clear on this.

Maybe Dragoneer didn't sell the database, or only sold part of it. It would be good if he could clarify this matter. It's unlikely though; according to him, IMVU's interest in FA is in its community, and without the database containing our personal data there's no community, just some PHP scripts and a fuckload of porn :P There will be specific provision either way in the terms of sale, so it should be an easy matter to clear up.

Dragoneer assures us in a forum post that IMVU do not currently have access to the database, and it's entirely possible that they have no interest in it now or in the future (that would be strange, but not implausible) but unless there is specific provision in the terms of sale to indicate otherwise, they own that database. Now that the acquisition has gone through, if Dragoneer refused to provide access to that database upon request, or deleted it to prevent abuse of personal data, he would be (at the very least) in breach of contract with IMVU, possibly criminally so. What I mean is, Dragoneer has completely handed over control of the personal data that was previously in his charge, whether or not he is nominally in charge of it for the time being.

To be clear, Dragoneer was absolutely legally entitled to sell his site and everything on it. I'm not saying he wasn't. It was his site, we enjoyed it largely for free, and I have no view on IMVU as a company either - some people love them, others hate them, most don't give a shit either way and I'm squarely in the latter group.

What I care about is that as a user of this site I was assured that my personal data would not be sold, when in fact it appears that this exact thing happened 2-3 months ago without any visible indication or reassurance that our data and our rights to that data would be protected. Perhaps everything's fine. Chances are it is. I would like it in writing though.

  unnameddragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I can't reply to everything...so much lag on my phone. I apologize. But I'll try to clarify my main point.

In sales there are two parties. They were not a third party. During discussions about buying the site, they were...and were not sold any user data yet...until they were in the contract phase. He didn't sell any data when they were not part of or owner of FA. That's when they were a third party. During contract negotiations they were a second party, not a third. Though privacy protection would still mean that until the final pen stroke, they see no user data. It's the nature of selling anything. Otherwise nobody could sell a site or business. This is the nature of a contract. He sold FA. Then they get the data, not before.

Your data was, unfortunately, always able to be sold, but only to find party being directly involved with the sale of the site / company. It's the same when a new phone company buys your old one. They have access to your phone number and call records...but not until they own the company that holds them. Essentially, any site you register with is a "holding company" for your data, which goes to the new company. Otherwise they wouldn't be buying much but the name of the company.

It's taking forever for the type to catch up to my fingers. I apologize. I'm not being argumentative. I'm hoping everything goes well and remains private as well. It's just during a sale of a business, they're no longer a third party, but involved. A third party is not involved in the sale of a business.

  sincerity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Not trying to be argumentative either, so thanks for your take on this - it makes a lot of sense and explains how FA wasn't in breach of its own terms.

  unnameddragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Thank you as well.
Now if only this whole thing about their redistribution of art being a thing or not wasn't as clear as mud. X3

  wolf4life

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Thank you for asking a legitimate question amongst all the uproar. I know a similar thing happened with a Free-to-Play game, Loadout, and I would find it disheartening if FA followed the same path.

  zombieaddict

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I second this question.

  sincerity

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Can you furthermore guarantee that IMVU won't take (for example) our FA search queries and share them with advertisers? I can't think of anything more personal to have been sold without you or your users having any right of recourse or advance warning, specifically against your previous written assurances. I know that you've said on the forums that IMVU don't have access to the database but they do in fact own it regardless of your reassurance that you maintain creative control.

  zardis

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's funny, you hold a donation drive and make a shit to of money, then partner up with a seperate company, since January in fact.

I can see this going very smoothly or completely to whit and IMVU just ends up taking over FA completely. Granted, I will defiantly be posting my art on new sites for safe measure.

  athdaraxen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I was just thinking this! Didn't FA raise like 10k in donations to keep the site going only to turn around and sell it?

  crystalryuu

#link     Posted: a year ago

  :/ they owe my husband a t-shirt XD

  dragondoomlord

#link     Posted: a year ago

  They still didn't send em?

Why am I not surprised...

  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I took mine down from FA altogether and blanked my profile. I didn't much trust FA before. I sure as fuck don't trust them or IMVU now.

  vince-nt

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well let's hope for the best.
Not TO EXCITED to hear it but nothing can change it.

  xan-nirvana

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I am not sure how to react about this. I tried IMVU once and I didn't care much for it. I know FA seems to want to branch out but they best be careful or this site might become the next Furnation and implode upon itself. :/

  ziggyfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  waiting for imvu to eventually shitcan the site and use your hardware for more imvu garbage

  deskai

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ?
why did you team up with something that IS even inferior to Furcadia when it comes to "furry community"
really when you think of furries you tend to think Second life or Furcadia, IMVU doesnt pop up on that radar.
I mean you even see it here
"hardly anyone know what IMVU is, and even if we saw the ads they saw it not interesting..."

As Idola clan says "We know furries are gullible fucks, who are willing to toss their money at anything remotely furry" we just gonna go
"Ya seem to be in great need of things, and you going to them show that maybe things wasnt alright from the start, and you may have made things worst."
Folks are gonna wonder what IMVU is, they gonna look it up, they gonna experience how sub par it is and gonna be a negative, due to again "its furry community is small"

  eclairtalon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nah man.

Nah.

  zalno

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ...people still use IMVU? o_O

  meowchi75

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I honestly thought it's supposed to be a chat website for teens, like Gaiaonline.
I didn't know they still existed either haha

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Guys, you just got Dashcon'd! ;D

  laini

#link     Posted: a year ago

  XD

  athdaraxen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wait didn't FA take in like a bunch of donations?
So in other words they got a bunch of money from the users and THEN sold the site off?!

  storm-blaze

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I thought imvu died years ago. Also. Do not want -_-

  braingremlin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  In the arms of the angel
Fly away from here
From this dark cold hotel room
And the endlessness that you fear
You are pulled from the wreckage
Of your silent reverie
You're in the arms of the angel
May you find some comfort here

  narsassus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Im reading these comments like

http://www.modernprimate.com/wordpr.....06/popcorn.gif

Away i go back to sofurry! Love these comments though.
had to come back to FA just for this journal xD

  spazzyhusky

#link     Posted: a year ago

  omg thats the best thing ever

  narsassus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://i.imgur.com/tj6OaDY.gif

Ily spazzy <3


  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm offended!

No, wait... I'm not. I am a faggot.

  mrs-slaughter

#link     Posted: a year ago

  this-t-t-tthis is a joke right ?! DX

someone hold me i am scared !

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "We sold out for moni"

  mizuhironeko

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm not so sure that this is a good thing...

  kaisercrux

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Please offer a payment solution to help support the site and remove ads.

  misora

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Let them post ads. That's what AdBlockPlus is for.

  kaisercrux

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I revoke my comment and believe in you now

  dragon44325

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Reading the comments, it seems almost no one likes this change at all. I know that you may have once been the owner of this.. website I oh so love much. But I wish the administrator(s) Would at least ask for a vote if this was a good idea or not. Now you literally have people leaving and getting ready for things that most likely will overpower you now. I personally think this was a horrid idea and one of the dumbest people could have made, but it's alright. It's not as if the people who like the site get a choice of what happens and what doesn't. How about, Furaffinity starts listening to the people who love it oh so much like me and actually make good changes that EVERYONE wants.
We don't like secrecy at all
We don't like IMVU at all.
We don't like the sounds of this, AT ALL.
I really hope you made a good decision for once, FurAffinity people. Cause this was a risky move, a real risky one. Still kinda wished you guys would listen to the ones who use you though. Put up votes for what is happening god damn it, let the people have a voice for once!

  meep.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  People will leave over any decision. That's something that just can't be stopped when a site is this huge.
Fa needs help, we all know that.
but
IMVU becoming the owner is a concern for me more that it looks the same as it did when i was 13, i haven't seen any improvement in it in 10 years.
I can only hope it brings something good to the table but the question everyone is asking themselves is what is IMVU expecting to get out of it.

  armagare

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "when i was 13, i haven't seen any improvement in it in 10 years."
hey hey so they (FA-IMVU) have something in common~!

  meep.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Haha XD
I've only been on FA for... 4[?] years

  txontirea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Welp, I guess those tens of thousands of dollars in donations to help the funding and growth of the site did help in selling it to IMVU.

Looking forward to the new censorship and freemium our new Overlords bring us.

  athdaraxen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This ^

  jaibo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Finally other furry websites will have a chance of growing plus a better TOS system and professional mods. Should FA go all down the hill I'm not even worried. People will swap to other websites.

Probably weasyl.

On you giving money into dragoneers hands; bad decision.

  athdaraxen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh I wasn't stupid enough to donate. Don't worry there. I feel bad for all the people who believed in it.

  janosman

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is one big, big mistake.......
You better fix it up and wake up to reality......
IMVU is really not a good choice

  evillabrat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why

  chesterpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Motherfucker pocketed ALL OF YOUR MONEY
omfg that's brilliant what an asshole
Guess people will do anything to get money

you guys bought him one expensive ass BD to fuck himself with i'll tell you that

  athdaraxen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Exactly.

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Dashcon'd!

  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Everyone gets an extra hour in the ballpit!

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  JOKE'S ON YOU I was waiting til after Fa's ten millionth promise to get better going to fruition to donate!
DODGED A BULLET!

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  welp Im losing everything v~v am not happy...

  veck

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Soooo, what now.
going to try to sell me 1O,OOO credits every week or tell me how great it is on getting V.I.P?


Come on. Why.


  jaibo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  LMAO OH GOD, I want to frame this...

  kodad.s

#link     Posted: a year ago

  best comment I've read all day

  lodidah

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I personally hate IMVU I had an account on there, it was terrible. But As for a business investment I really hope it helps this site.

  dragondew

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This site's free, I've put jack shit into funding the upkeep of FA, so do what you guys want. I have no right to complain, nor do most of the people here.

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I feel like this is something more people need to realize. You have the right to discuss your concerns but ultimately a lot of people who yell the loudest do nothing to support the site. It's free, it's always been free, and profit you make through it doesn't go back to them at all so show a little appreciation.

  dragondew

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Even the ads were by furries, for furries, which is something I can appreciate. I've even got adblock turned off on FA.

  lycanthris

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I agree with this. The operators of this site have been the recipients of quite a lot of vitriol over the years and have in return provided a free service for the community to enjoy and for many to not just make a little money, but earn a living on.
I don't fault them for wanting to make something back on all of their own personal money, time, heart and soul that they've put into this site.

At the same time, I am troubled by some of the legalese of the sale contract:
IMVU reserves the right to redistribute content that has been uploaded to FurAffinity as agreed upon in page 9 of the terms of sale.

I don't like the bit about 'reserves the right to redistribute content'... I don't want my content being posted elsewhere. It's stuff I paid for, or created. I and the artists should be the ones who decide when and where it gets posted.

  dragondew

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6588936

This part was clarified. A valid concern though.

  lycanthris

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Assurances were given, but legally, that means diddley-squat.

If the quoted line is the exact wording in the policy, it grants broad rights to IMVU over content that was created by, paid for, and then uploaded by FA's users. They can change their minds about the usage at any time.
If they only intend to use it in a narrow manner, then those uses should be explicitly enumerated and explained.

  orochi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU? Ah man, guess I might start looking for somewhere else to put my art...

  tomoyuki

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Here lies the death of furaffinity thanks to a bad owner who refuse to do things right and respect its user when some can be right. RIP furaffinity

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Apparently no one else wanted to clean up the mess or trusted Neer anymore.

  tomoyuki

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I wound not want to clean up his fucking mess either lol. Neer is an ass who refuses to see his community side yet gose about. Refuses to check with things first before doing them. I would never clean of the bull shit he has made and I'm sure others would not either.



It made the mess he better clean it up. No one with do it for him

  maslowferret

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m.....9qt5o1_400.gif

  adtuna1192

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This.. does not seem like a good move. I admit that it MIGHT solve funding issues for the sight, i don't know details of the acquisition, or the Contract. However, what i think the Biggest problem is, is that Furaffinity has always had a " by furrys for Furrys" aspect to the community, because well that's the point. IMVU may have a relatively large Furry community but it was NOT made for that purpose. If it was a deal to get IMVU's 3d chat, iId maybe accept it, but not a full acquisition. In the end, I think we are losing what makes FA a better common ground for furrys, just in order to keep it on life support.

TL;DR: FA may need cash, but not at expense of losing what it was made for

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  sporefox1

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So it's an in depth form of an ad agreement with IMVU through FA to bring in the resources to upgrade and help improve coding solely? Well so long as they don't start saying, "You can no longer post adult material unless you pay $xxx amount" things will be just fine.

  jaibo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I always knew IMVUs devs are perverts.

I'm not even surprised. I'm so incredible used to dragoneer making bad decisions, this doesn't affect my mood at all.

So I'll just continue with my evening then. Cheers.

  travisretriever

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Really, given how many bad decisions we've seen from the owners of this site, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.

  lildreamer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  We should at least give IMVU a chance!

...
...
...

Ah who am I kidding - this is the stupidest thing that has happened to FA. Really? IMVU? In 7ish years they haven't allowed you to move around in their chatrooms and the poseballs aren't even editable to make up for size differences.

  akulatraxas

#link     Posted: a year ago

  bye fa :)


  holland.kondor

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well, FA's most likely going to become pay to view adult content like IMVU is.
Save your porn now guys, because that 30+K that was donated to get FA on the cloud was blown!

  kinky-kitty

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nonono, you do not understand, There is no adult content on IMVU, only things you see an an R rated movie. Everything else is taken down and you can get a nice ban for it. Enjoy. http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_inf.....policy#ratings namely

Nudity: aroused genitals (UFI) - Depictions of aroused genitalia and/or unrealistc or overly detailed genitals.

Strong Sexual Content (UFI) - Graphic references to and/or depictions of sexual acts including, but not limited to, penetration/intercourse, and/or oral sex with or without another avatar or any other object; additionally, this includes any overt sexual toys and/or aides.

Sexual Violence (UFI) - Any act, depiction, promotion, or suggestion of rape or other violent, non-consensual sexual acts.

are the few which strike a bit of concern, if IMVU has any say over FA's AUP, it could mean a full censorship of the site. ;-;

  holland.kondor

#link     Posted: a year ago

  well, then FA's screwed. Was nice while it lasted

  maskedskunk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  From the journal:
"Going forward, FA will continue to operate independently but with IMVU’s support and resources to upgrade our services. We can now work on improving our infrastructure, adding more storage, making performance improvements and improved coding support to reach our full potential. As a community member, the only difference you will notice is a better, smoother experience and increased functionality of the site as time goes on."

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  But Neer even SAID though he has direction over the site, that IMVU's owner (now FA's) can trump his views any time they wish. So he's more of an adviser on FA's well being and has no real control when it comes to legality.

  greaseyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That would be a bad business decision on their part as like 1/2 the people on FA are just here for the porn so they would lose a lot of the most active user base.

  kinky-kitty

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44894354

What if they did not have a choice?

  maskedskunk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  From the journal:
"Going forward, FA will continue to operate independently but with IMVU’s support and resources to upgrade our services. We can now work on improving our infrastructure, adding more storage, making performance improvements and improved coding support to reach our full potential. As a community member, the only difference you will notice is a better, smoother experience and increased functionality of the site as time goes on."

  thecanidean

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hope you had a lawyer read everything over, Dragoneer. Otherwise, you just might find "creative control" to actually translate as "figurehead".

  kodad.s

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've gotta ask - how much did you sell it for? Pocket lint and a maxed out credit card? A fifth grader's lunch included as a bonus, lol?
Shit, man, you made such an awful business deal it's IMVU they're already in the shitter lol

  enjoipandas

#link     Posted: a year ago

  no no no nO NO NO NO NO NOOOO

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "Let's sell my insanely popular site to a failing Second Life wanna be, and give them all the rights while I retain 'creative control', that they can technically override. They won't pull the rug out from under me at all".

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  is it sad I read this on the toilet and reading this article cause me to shit faster?

  danza

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh fuck best comment XD

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I concur XD

  thewanderingfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  THE SHITSTORM BEGINS, GET DEM UMBRELLAS.

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ITS ALREADY HAPPENING D:

  aurydragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  literally

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I smell shit do you?

  meowchi75

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Um, so is this a good thing or...?

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  its bad, pretty bad. I loved fa,

  meowchi75

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh jeez...I'm scared now O.o
If FA and IMVU are partnering, maybe nothing will change since they technically haven't necessarily taken over...right?
*crosses fingers*

  maskedskunk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  From the journal:
"Going forward, FA will continue to operate independently but with IMVU’s support and resources to upgrade our services. We can now work on improving our infrastructure, adding more storage, making performance improvements and improved coding support to reach our full potential. As a community member, the only difference you will notice is a better, smoother experience and increased functionality of the site as time goes on."

  meowchi75

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ah, I misread it before then XD
Hm, doesn't sound that bad

  maskedskunk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  From the journal:
"Going forward, FA will continue to operate independently but with IMVU’s support and resources to upgrade our services. We can now work on improving our infrastructure, adding more storage, making performance improvements and improved coding support to reach our full potential. As a community member, the only difference you will notice is a better, smoother experience and increased functionality of the site as time goes on."

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That wasnt there before D:

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  sangie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU is heavily restricted adult wise. They also are money grubbers.

Possible concerns!

Paid age verification on FA. While I think there is a definite issue with minors having adult accounts on FA, I don't want to pay $25 to prove I'm over 18.

IMVU keeps you in "guest" status until you pay for an account. Will FA incorporate "premium" accounts?

IMVU is heavily restricted adult wise. Will adult art be restricted on FA as well?

IMVU uses shady advertisers to try to coerce people to get "free" credits. Will these same advertisers be on FA?

  lildreamer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I hate that guest status thing, like, what other site puts guest_ ( or anything else) in front of your username unless you pay?

  athdaraxen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah and if someone with money comes along they can take your username.

  lildreamer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That I can highly doubt unless there has actually been a case of that with other services xD Like, I don't think even EA does that

  athdaraxen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's part of the reason I gave up on the site. I wasn't willing to pay to "reserve" my username.

  lildreamer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Same. That and it is the same shitty thing I used back in 08 XD

  toboe

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You have to pay $20 to reserve your username… this is on top of the $20 fee to get an access pass amd $5 to prove youre 18

  athdaraxen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That's right! I remember now. $45 just to be what most sites consider a regular membership.

  shadoweon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I used to use IMVU as a younger teen and I agree,they are literally the only website I know of to use this progress. FA would have been better off selling to Gaia Online,atleast they aren't THAT restrictive.

  kaiizree

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why did you wait so long to tell us such important news? this seems like something that should have been said as soon as it happened?

  nicnak044

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Lol, wut.

  snack

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hilarious.

  xxfluffyxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  S E L L O U T B O Y Z

  snack

#link     Posted: a year ago

  fucking hell, now that songs stuck in my head. i hate you.

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  summercat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  WHAT THE FLYING FUCK

  quilmeleon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^^^^^^^^ So much this

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FA YOU MADE ME FURRY NAO YOU LAEAVING WHAI YOU RUIN FURRY FANDOM YUO WERE ONE GOOD

SITE!!11111!!!


:<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


*forever sad fox*

  yuurikin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Welp. Let's see how this goes.

  fatalsyndrome

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I love all the "SECONDLIFE IS BETTER" comments like you're all missing the point.

This is interesting.

A bit concerning, in case they take the site in a direction we don't want it to go and fuck over the artists who make a living here, but.

If it's been bought since January it's already been going on, so.


  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Seriously. I honestly couldn't care about the quality of the game/chat program things that much.

I'm more concerned with where this will take the site and why they decided to only NOW tell us this was happening.

Transparency

  fatalsyndrome

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Exactly, it's just the company that bought it that happens to also be that, nothin' to do with the FA bit.

That's my issue, like, I'm afraid the company will try to control FA's content or something. Which would kill it's traffic by destroying what makes FA so appealing to such wide audiences in the first place., so I'd hope they'd know better than to do that.

It's making me a little nervous. I'm hoping all this is going to affect is the quality of the site in a positive way by giving it more financial support by being owned by a larger group, and no content changes or massive rule changes that affect folks like you and me.

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Pretty much! It's much better to wait and see what happens than kneejerk at something changing.

Though given the track record I don't blame anyone for being cautious.

  fatalsyndrome

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah caution is absolutely fine.

Dogpiling someone for merely seeing something positive in this situation, like a chunk of furs did down in the comment chains below (or above) isn't okay though. I'm a little shocked by that. Granted, I shouldn't be, it's the furry fandom x-x

But yeah caution is totally reasonable but freaking out like chickens with our heads cut off and attacking eachother is... nehhh.

Totally with you on this!

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeaaah that happens. We're a bunch given to overreaction sometimes. ...much of the time. 8Y

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yours is the comment that will pierce the heavens. :V

  technicolorpie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh Dragoneer. Of all the Dragoneers in the world, you're the Dragoneeriest.

I always wonder what ridiculous choice you're going to make next, and I have to give credit where it's due - I never in my wildest dreams predicted this would be it.

ETA: You blockhead.

  fuffyfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You sold us to IMVU? Yes I said "sold us"..

  junia

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahhahahahahaaaaaaa

  ravenite

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This whole thing give me an uneasy feeling. Nothing dragoneer  dragoneer has said is the least bit comforting tbh.
There's so much grey area, it's not funny at all. Fa could go down the drain as a result of this for all we know

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And what does this mean for ownership over content submitted to FA? Should I be worried about losing rights to my work? Should I just purge my Gallery now?

  jaibo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "You need to purchase a monthly V.I.P. pass to receive access to the NSFW category on FA"

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So basically almost half my Gallery will be inaccessible to me if that happens xD

  jaibo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Don't worry at least you get a discount on buying IMVU credits.

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh good, I'll need to budget how much I want to spend to look at my own art every month

  e5cort

#link     Posted: a year ago

  nope

  carrow

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Fucking sellouts, lolololololololol.

  sharpfang

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What guarantees do you have that you will retain any control?

I mean, if they decide to fire you or ignore your requests - in violation of the paper you supposedly have - what steps can you take?

Also, what areas are still in your control? Business model of the site? Private data of the user accounts? Ad space? Monetization on access to uploaded art? Because "Artistic direction" sounds as a very narrow domain - stuff like site aesthetics, and maybe, possibly the AUP on uploaded content, though that's a stretch.

  lshadowdrako

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer is only as much in control as IMVU says he is. He have to bend over like any user if they tell him this or that is to be done or happening. If he tries to stop them they can legally own his ass so badly.

In short: IMVU is the new owner of FA.

  junia

#link     Posted: a year ago

  congrats on selling out your community to second life's unloved stepbrother and pocketing the cash

  morticia

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Just when I thought everything involving FA couldn't get more moronic.

  ryniablackfoxinesory

#link     Posted: a year ago

  this is an art site not a social media site. IMVU is horrible, its basically the shitty version SL. yes we like to be social and whatnot but this isnt an social media site. if you gotta sell out to imvu to make improvements to the god damn site? im disappointed. IMVU is just a 3d chat room you cant walk around the room you just stand there and type in the chat. if this site ends up going to shit. if imvu fucks it up or sends me spam or anything else negative rather than making the site up to date. If imvu integrates anything that forces me to have an imvu or even pay to have some kind of premium account im deleting accounts and leaving. I don't want to deal with that shit here.

  blackymoon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm getting the mad giggles at all the people that chimed in the donation drive now lol - where does that money go? Straight into your pocket 'neer?
Also, way to go about your shilling of going all "we are now doing everything transparent guys!".
Way to kick and backstab your userbase and your fandom in the ass.
If you think they will buy you all shiny new hardware and invest in you without wanting something in return, you're mistaken, I'm more concerned about IMVU doing heavy datamining now, because you know, the add-business is a big and shady business.

  jaibo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You know it makes me sad that there were people that didnt expect the money to go into 'neers pockets. It was written all over the internet, you just had to google about 'neers history. There are tons of screenshots, logs and so much more that show what kind of a malicious person he is. People are blind and now they get what they deserve for being naive.

I mean ofc I am using this website because it is true, I cannot sell my shit anywhere else and thats the number one reason FA has so many people, thats why the community is so big. You cannot sell anything on the other websites. But I would never even have thought of giving the staff a few cents. Because I knew.

  blackymoon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah, I know ... if you looked back at the Donation-update site this page had back to, what, 2011? There were always people paying loads of cash each month to support this site.
Then all the donation drives and most recently the last "emergency DDoS-fund" with the perfect transparance on what's already bought and how much money is still being unused.
Really, it baffles me, like you, how some people can be this blind - but, to each their own.

Hopefully THIS is finally the drop which will cause the barrel to tip over and fall with people migrating to other websites.
I knew he was a shady and idiotic person, but THIS is something on a whole new level - like I said, he backstabbed the community here, more than once.



  velnor

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^ this guy knows whats up.

  blaiddwolfe

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ahahahaha you fucked up ahahaha

  strikercheguar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Captain! The engines are at red line and we ain't got enough power! We gotta cut loose b'for she drags us to teh depths!

  yoshifarts

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh no.. O.o
brb gotta go cry

  naoma-hiru

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Last time I checked IMVU is against adult stuff.

So does this mean that they are going to overthrow FA and get rid of all the adult content just because they want to be fucking pricks?

Don't get me wrong, clean art is always nice to see. But some of us make a living on drawing adult art for people. =/

I feel like this might be the end of FA. IMVU is a death trap. I used to play it years ago and even back then it was shit. Its just gotten so much worse now. I wouldnt of just gave them the site like that Neer. You should of gone in as a partnership with you still as an owner. Because now they will take advantage of over ruling your opinions and changing the site for the worst. Spreading spam ad's all over the place like they have with so many other websites before.

This is rather depressing news. I was hoping with all my might this was just some kind of sick joke. But I guess its not.

  rupertcole

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I second this! answer our questions!

  negawolfie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  They allow adult stuff now but you have to pay for it

  ariaburaun

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm the only one who likes IMVU? Like so what you can't move around -.-

I mean yeah it has it's ups and downs but if you think you can do better then do it.

But , above all I find IMVU to be a way better place then second life. I have played both, and found myself coming home to IMVU all the time.

And I believe it will be a step in a good direction for FA.

//Sips tea




  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Anyone who could do it got ignored and skipped. XD

Also, with so much exploitable code on both sites, they're a perfect match! :D

  oneandonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've said this before and I'll say it again, you don't have to be a good chef to know what good food tastes like, you don't have to be a good musician to know what good music sounds like and you don't have to be a creator to be a critic.

  rupertcole

#link     Posted: a year ago

  soooooooooo will this be a merger?

  palshife

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I can't stop laughing about nearly every aspect of this.

  kesteh

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You are unmatched on fucking over your own community. I dare say that you're better than EA at doing wrong.
"transparency"

  oneandonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.co.....e242433bf5.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.co.....e242433bf5.jpg
https://s-me dia-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f5/89/08/f58908fbc9096bb4bb995de242433bf5.jpg

Stay classy, FA.

  angelpaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Mashed potatoes

  dioderancher

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Last one out turn off the lights

  chewylemon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  But seriously though, why IMVU of all people?

  commissarpazyryk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  SФCIДLISM ДИD CФLLЗCTIVЭ ФШЙЗЯSHIP ИФT LФФК SФ ЬДD ЙФЩ, Дa?

  sharpfang

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nope, capitalism at its worst. Gather a good-intentional, friendly community and sell it.

  november

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I got a question that hasn't apparently asked yet.

Section 3 of the DA Submission Policy states that "Artist grants to DeviantArt a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license" to reuse their works anywhere. Seeing that IMVU has profits to consider, what have you done to secure artist rights going forward to ensure that FA doesn't try to something similar?

  lildreamer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This really needs to be answers, not just for artists but for people who commission art of their characters.

  lildreamer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  *answered not answers

  kur0

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'd also like to know that.
Will they be like other sites and say they gain rights for any art posted on this website?

  tatiwatikuno

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So tha lack of adult art.. which is bout the huge money maker here and with IMVU coming it will prolly stop the adult art and let in a bunch of tweens...TWEENS dammit we dont need prostitots

  shadifett

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Is this about the money? Or do you really believe this will work? Because I find this quite hilarious to believe.

  lizardbeth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  By the comments, I'm noticing a number of trends:

(a) Vastly underestimate how expensive it can be to maintain a website with the regular userbase that FA has.
(b) Asking Neer questions and then totally disregarding/not trusting what he's saying.
© SOMETHING'S CHANGING OMG FA'S DEAD NO REALLY WE MEAN IT THIS TIME

I don't use IMVU. I have no interest in it. And I am indirectly financially invested in FA for my own well-being (given the fur community has been 97% of my income for more than a decade) so the future of FA matters to me. I'm not blindly defending this decision. But how about, instead of instantly losing our minds over a decision that's been months in the making and is out of our control - Neer's not gonna return the $20k worth of hardware this partnership allowed FA to acquire because people are posting angry comments - maybe we should wait, hold our breath, and see how things work out?

Things COULD be better. Or they might not change at all. And if they get worse? I trust that all of the super smart people here who are telling Neer what a moron he is for doing this will ALSO be smart enough to open their own site that runs 10 times better. And that's only half sarcasm.

Honestly, guys. I know the flinch reaction is "CHANGE BAD", but can we please at least attempt some scrap of rationality here? I realize that might be a tall order, being the internet and all, but I have faith that many of you can do that if you try really hard.

  jaibo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Everyone look at this cute little brown-nose.

  lizardbeth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I gain nothing from 'brown nosing', trust me.

And as for that, honestly? Are "Brown nosing" and "Pants-shitting panic" are the only options? I feel I fit in between; I'm not in love with the change, but I'm not cry-raging either. But if you're only giving me the choice between those two, I can't say I prefer to walk around with shit pants. You're free to though, if you want. :)

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's the internet, everything's either one way or the other :P God forbid you play PC *and* console games...

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > I'm not in love with the change, but I'm not cry-raging either. But if you're only giving me the choice between those two, I can't say I prefer to walk around with shit pants.

Don't argue with him, the Sith only see in absolutes.

  lshadowdrako

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Look at you acting all high and mighty.

People, including myself, aren't trusting of him for a reason, as you would know.

And you make people sound stupid as well, get out of here with that white horse crap and get down on the ground.

People know it takes resources to run a site and many people on here have shown time and time and time again, how willing people are to help if just the heads of FA would get their heads out of their asses and actually do shit to this site and stop going behind our backs like they just have done.

You're part of the problem, not the freaking solution.

  lizardbeth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The only people I make "sound stupid" are the ones who have instantly gone into a fear rage over this.

We don't have all the information. We literally JUST got this news. People are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions and working themselves up over something that may or may NOT turn out to be a problem. Sure, things COULD suck. Like, a lot. But it's just as likely that we won't notice any difference at all. We don't know. THAT'S the thing. If a week from now after we get more info people want to rage and offer solutions, sure. Once we learn just what IMVU and FA have in their agreement and what IMVU can and can't control or say with FA, then I will fully support people getting angry. I just think to do so now isn't really solving anything, because the truth is we DON'T really know anything.

I never said I had the solution for anything. I just wish people would try to calm down and not instantly go on the offensive immediately, because THAT'S not a solution either.

  lshadowdrako

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The majority of people here are asking questions. The biggest ones being:

-What's IMVU?
-What will happen now?
-What information do they have access to=
-Will anything change?
-Why weren't we told?

And the rage happening, is justified fear and speculations, from the many years of neglect, lies and backstabbing there's happened and as shown today continues to happen.

It doesn't help either Neer says: IMVU have ACQUIRED FA. Meaning they are literally in the simplest of terms, unless Neer used the wrong words, owns FA now and Neer are no longer in charger, which he himself have half admitted to, by saying that IMVU could technically if they wanted, override any of his decisions.

Everything being said and done in this Journal is justified and its only white horse people like you, who aren't asking questions for the betterment of the site.

  lizardbeth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Asking questions is fine. Ask questions! Lots of questions! But I see more than a few people asking questions, and then when they get an answer they instantly call Neer a liar. Why ask a question if you're going to disregard the answer?

I'm not defending Neer or his decision, and i have just as many concerns as a lot of people here. BUT! I'm waiting until we have a real, official TOS or some other detailed info as to what the deal specifically entails before I get angry. Many people may be working themselves up for good reason, OR they could be doing so for no reason.

I want the TOS up ASAP so I know what I should and shouldn't get angry about (which, in the end, could possibly be nothing). But until that's up, I personally don't see a point in going nuclear.

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Some of us actually know how much a sinking ship IMVU is.

  fatalsyndrome

#link     Posted: a year ago

  © SOMETHING'S CHANGING OMG FA'S DEAD NO REALLY WE MEAN IT THIS TIME

YEAH. People do that it's so obnoxious.

Like I have my concerns, believe me, but jumping to that is stupid. Also disregard anyone thinking that just because you don't have their opinion that you're somehow a brown nose, those people are just peons in their day-to-day life and wanna seem smart.

  lizardbeth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  look, obviously there's concerns. I totally agree. But we can't possibly have a logical assessment of that on a comment feed within an hour of learning about the news. A few days from now once we have more information? People can totally rage if they think it's justified. I just don't think there's enough info now to do so. Also? Getting angry and upset about ANYTHING sucks, let alone a site that for many is basically a dumping ground for furry porn.

And if being a brown nose means I'm not jumping into an inconsolable rage at the drop of a hat? I'll accept that. Serves me right for trying to calm people down! ;^_^

  fatalsyndrome

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah exactly, I'm fine with concerns. It's the amount of people ripping eachother apart for not all being negative and ragging on FA that's really strange to me. There's not much any of us can do but wait! Also a lot of your points hit the nail on the head.

I'm sorry they're doing that though, you aren't doing anything wrong. You were giving a different perspective and your views are grounded in truth, even if there's uncertainty ahead of all of us here! Don't let 'em get ya down tho!

  lizardbeth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If it were possible for occasional furry rage to scare me off, I wouldn't have lasted in this fandom for more than a decade. ;)

I've seen sites come and go, and there's just as much chance that this will be "the beginning of the end" as it will be a sign of improvement, or even that we will notice nothing different 6 months from now and it will be business as usual. We don't know.

Personally, I'm holding out on the freak-out until I see an official TOS. I have concerns, but unless they're legitimized officially - rather than rumors and out-of-context comments, no matter how official the commenter - I'm not gonna go apocalypse mode just yet. I have enough stress in my life as is; I'm not gonna add this to it unless I have to. ;^_^

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You're right, especially with a lot of people mouthing off about "selling out" when it's an art website. This is not an anarcho-punk art commune, they NEED to make a profit to keep it running.

We really need some transparency and answers on this, though. Why was this decision made two months ago? What ARE the changes Neer keeps saying will happen? what defines "improvements"? Stuff like that, yaknow? It's always so vague when stuff like that happens and we never really get good closure.

  rin-u

#link     Posted: a year ago

  thank god for this post, the panic of worst case scenarios runing amok here, IMVU leadership is smart enough to know that they'l lose their investment if people started lieving the site in mass, logic would speak against any significant change....

no company or corporation wants to lose their investment, so they wont do anything that clearly jeopardizes that.

  zippers

#link     Posted: a year ago

  bless this post

  kinpo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  what in everloving fuck is this

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  heroicones

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Alright then, IMVU might as well buy RedTube and in a year we'd have Youtube out of it. I would really like to know what reasons IMVU has to pump this much money in FA's infrastructure?
The only thing I could imagine is them clearing out all adult-themed material... if that happens this site will loose a great chunk of it's users. As much as Admins like to tell me otherwise this site's primirely function is to host porn and provide a place for artists to sell it to customers. That is the ONLY reason most people are on this site.

With themspending this much money, there has to be some sort of income for them, and likely much more then they spent - over a peroid of time. I am assuming premium accounts, print systems and of course - no adult themes to attract potentional sponsors. If this site is going to be another DeviantArt this site is ruined :P

tl;dr What the fuck are you doing?

  kaomiliona

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Dont worry all the porn will be dried up when IMVU is done with FA... then .... BLACKMARKET FA will come out and we will have our rebellion.

  ziblie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nah IMVU has a pretty big section dedicated p much to cybersex. If anything they might separate the general and adult sections of the sites, maybe make adult a premium thing.

As an artist I'm pretty concerned about them claiming rights to my work, or demanding a cut of my profits.

  ziblie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hmm having read their digital content policies I rescind my first statement.

  emmi-heldt

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Honestly, I don't think IMVU is all that bad. (As a virtual world chat program thing.)
Sure, things are kind of cringy there, but at least you're not spending all your fucking money on an imaginary world with borked controls and at least they offer you something when you start up. The only thing I find cringeworthy about IMVU is some of the morons who use it. If they upgraded their graphics a bit and did some tweaking here and there, I don't think it could be all that bad as a program.
As for partnership? Eh. I couldn't care less. Nothing is going to change. Furries will still be furries, and people will still bitch and complain about every single little thing, whether it's good or bad.

  lightness

#link     Posted: a year ago

  meme

  subdivisions

#link     Posted: a year ago

  jesus christ you guys why would you do this? This could potentially kill business for some artists on here as well if things start to get more restricted!

  todex

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I demand free baskets filled with cookies and leprechaun gold for all artists IMVU for president
Also in all seriousness I've never heard of IMVU before. They're something like second life, but without the smut?

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Shitt SL wanna be with malware/spy cam ads and 0 tolerance for porn/NSFW.

Sounds like a great site to partner with, eh?

  todex

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well with a bit of luck, they'll see the (largely) un-tapped market of interactive 3D pr0nz chat and will expand
If so, I shall make a fortune selling virtual peens @w@

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  $25 p/month to view adult 18+ art
$5 p/month to use FA
$15 one time payment for the privilege of being a subscribed member of FA lol!
Artists are no longer allowed to sell art on FA without giving IMVU a percentage of their profit - Has anyone else thought about this? It could happen right?

  ziblie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That last one is the one that has me concerned.

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Definitely, all drama aside I feel they could genuinely expect artists to pay a percentage of profit from each sale or something similar.

  sakanz

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_inf.....content_policy
This is what we have to look forward to as well

  vylbird

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU can't be complete idiots: They knew about the porn when they paid for the site, and they know that banning porn would destroy their new purchase, as the user base would rapidly flee. They'll probably bring in some policies against anything that might be legally risky (No more cub porn) though.

  invaderpichu

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's not April 1st yet Neer.

  iscin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://i.imgur.com/tj6OaDY.gif

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I giggled, thank you good sir/maddam/otherkin

  cheetahfur

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Time to save all the porn... Before it all Dissapears.

*buys 1000 Harddrives* and starts downloading

  sarahcat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh.

  stokerbramwell

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You know I see a lot of angry comments here, even from people who supported some of the older bad decisions (hackers becoming admins, popular artists with problematic pasts and little coding experience being put in charge of re-coding the site, promises constantly going unfulfilled, huge amounts of donation money just evaporating with nothing to show for it).

I find it telling that the thing that finally gets even the diehard supporters upset is "You mean now there are NON-FURRIES in charge???"

*shrug* This is just the latest in a long line of shady decisions. I don't know why anyone is acting surprised. Lots of us have been trying to tell you for ages now.

There's still Weasyl and Sofurry and Inkbunny, guys! Weasyl has the most FA like experience and the most artist support. I'd start there.

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've been down FA's throat about these dumb decisions for...years. This just takes the cake because they've literally signed over their rights to FA, and gave a failing business full run of a successful one (successful as in, it's popular, and has lots of traffic).

They even admitted they can be overridden, and if IMVU wanted to completely take over FA and make it their own personal IMVU offshoot for advertising and selling credits, they could. And there's nothing anyone could do.

This decision means artists may not have to worry about the rights to the work they've submitted here, now we have to worry about losing access to our accounts because we can't pay for "VIP access". We have to wonder, did Dragoneer literally make off with all the money from the donation drive, and the money from this sale, and is sitting pretty while the rest of us are sitting here losing our main access to commissions and artists.

I'm not happy. Of all the decisions, between Zaush, and the hacker given admin access, and the nepotism, and the secrecy, this is the worst. THE worst.

  kriticalerror

#link     Posted: a year ago

  For anyone who doesn't know, Dragoneer is a member of staff at IMVU :)

  draggissarscripty

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Brace for impact and pray for deliverance. *labor engine voice*

  maskedskunk

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Guys, read more than just the title. IMVU is only supplying resources and support. FA will still be independent.

"Going forward, FA will continue to operate independently but with IMVU’s support and resources to upgrade our services. We can now work on improving our infrastructure, adding more storage, making performance improvements and improved coding support to reach our full potential. As a community member, the only difference you will notice is a better, smoother experience and increased functionality of the site as time goes on."


READ THE JOURNAL.

  roycefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So its all settled then?

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer has said in the comments that he no longer owns FA and that IMVU CAN (and probably will) override his decisions on things.

  dragroon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah.. Expect..

Quoted by Dragroneer.
Decisions remain with me. Technically, [b]they could override it, but I did get it in writing I'd still have creative direction over the site.

There are no plans to change anything other than make improvements. [/b]


  technochild

#link     Posted: a year ago

  See, if he said "interface improvements" or "reliability improvements" or really anything more specific, I would feel better about this. But I get a pretty ominous vibe from this vague promise to make things better.

  vylbird

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He fell for that line? Even I know the 'creative direction' scam - an empty promise.

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Dragoneer also said in following comments on this journal that he no longer owns FA and that they CAN go over his head with any decision if they so choose.

  lshadowdrako

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Read in between the lines, and stop assuming people haven't read the journal:

IMVU owns the site now, for better or for worse, and Neer can do nothing to stop them if they want to change anything about the site or the people working on the site.

  daesyn

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "Fur Affinity (formerly a part of Ferrox Art LLC) was acquired by IMVU earlier this year in January 2015. "

READ THE JOURNAL.


FYI: IMVU can do whatever the fuck they want with this site because they own it now. They can fire all the staff and put their staff in place, and code in pay-walls onto the site if they really wanted to.

  stokerbramwell

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yes because Dragoneer has such a good track record of making promises he can keep...

  dragondoomlord

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Also, on top of the other people's replies to this comment regarding Neer no longer being in command, no bloody business in their right mind gives free stuff to another ones when they buy it without expecting anything at all in return.

  creaturecorp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  APRIL FOOLS APRIL FOOLS APRIL FOOLS APRIL FOOLS APRIL FOOLS APRIL FOOLS APRIL FOOLS APRIL FOOLS APRIL FOOLS APRIL FOOLS

  driftlock

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I guess this is a wait and see how it turns out sort of thing.

I can see good and bad coming from it, and think some might be reacting a bit too strongly in either direction.

The bit that concerns me is still the piss poor communication, and extremely targeted replies. Wanting more transparency and pulling this? Damn silly, especially considering you've avoided answering anything about that.

A benefit of this change needs to be on the communication front, since it should (inferring from the few answers you have given) allow you more time to actually get the website to function like it's not constantly years behind, and more time to plan and announce in general.

  huskyboy666

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I was pretty Sure that those shitty looking 3D chats very all long gone? thats so 2009

  wylf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  watch out we got a badass over here

  deecoyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You know... I think alot of people are getting upset because this is their furry "home", and their home has just been sold and there are alot of unknowns. Time will tell, good luck.

  gabarus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  As an author, I'm very concerned.

Will the Intellectual Property I post to this site remain my own? If not, I absolutely will not be posting, and I will remove my existing content, and post elsewhere.

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's all OGRE now.

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU IS LOVE...IMVU IS LIFE...


KHAAAAAAANNNN! *dies*

  creaturecorp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  kappaplz

  sciencefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Many users have asked this question and received no response. I'll ask as well.

Have you sold our information to IMVU? Will IMVU have access to users personal information in ANY WAY?

Fur Affinity Terms of Service:

4. Data Use, User Created Content, and Privacy
4.4 - Your private account information is only accessible by staff trained to handle it, is kept confidential, and is not sold to third parties.





  jaibo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Since when do they follow their own rules...

  bitrate

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The issue is now, They're not a third party anymore. IMVU is now a first party and has all information.

  sciencefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Legally, however, they were a Third party when the information was sold. Therefore, if true (I don't know if it is or not), the Terms Of Service was most certainly violated.

  unnameddragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  In sales or takeovers, the information isn't turned over until the final signature. The TOS was held to. They probably got to see data traffic, ad revenue, etc. In a contract there are first and second parties. When the information was sold was right at the signature, not until.

  sciencefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Perhaps.

Time will tell, depending on what information is/isn't released.

  glaide

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Information has not been sold to anyone.

  sciencefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Forgive my ignorance, but are you a member of FA staff who has first hand information to the sale of this website?

  glaide

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I suppose not. I guess I just have a higher trust this wont happen then. Pardon my comment.

  sciencefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No no, its nothing to be pardoned. I legitimately did not know.

For me, its "trust but verify". Just looking for some answers.

  glaide

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I know. Everyone is. I wish I could but my hand down and say these are the answers. But its been some time since ive worked for the site. I just have the highest of trust for Dragoneer and his choices in this matter. Ive known him longer than Ive known anyone, and I know he is genuine that he feels this will help the website.

The sheer fact that he has said that this is his job now should reflect that. He still DOES run FA.. IMVU plan to leave FA be (from my knowledge with an advertisement here n there ofcourse) and let it grow on its own. Nothing will change with FA as a core aside the updates that have been promised for all this.

Again no inside knowledge, just a high level of trust.

  sciencefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well, I actually have no reason to distrust Dragoneer. I have no doubt he cares about the website. He did what he thought was best, and that is that.

However, that does not mean ill will won't befall us all because of his actions. Just because there was no malice or ill intent behind his decision, does not mean that such couldn't come from it. I do NOT trust IMVU, for many reasons. And now that they own FA, there is nothing Dragoneer could do to stop them should they decide to do what is in the best interest of their company.

I don't know.
Time will tell, I suppose.

  glaide

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Indeed time will tell!

  thealphadoge

#link     Posted: a year ago

  THis can be hard to accept if its true

  metalguy2

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I DON'T CARE ! FIX superbabsy123's ACCOUNT NOW!

  negawolfie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  People have more important things to worry about than fapping over a man pretending to be a woman

  turkranma

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Do you even KNOW what site you are on, man?

  negawolfie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm aware I'm just laughing that some people are screaming about Aurora Spencer

  sharpfang

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://vj5pbopejlhcbz4n.onion.city/.....superbabsy123/

  breemarie2010

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Let's hope you lawyerd up dude...gonna need it when they kick you out

  karaken

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nah, he would just drop the ball on that too or hire an drastically unqualified friend.

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  rexxagon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > Fur Affinity (formerly a part of Ferrox Art LLC) was acquired by IMVU earlier this year in January 2015.
> acquired by IMVU
> January 2015

I normally don't really comment on news posts like this, but this...

I find it appalling... no, disgusting that you have waited TWO (2!) MONTHS to tell us that Furaffinity was ACQUIRED BY ANOTHER COMPANY.
Seriously this goes beyond your normal "We promise to be transparent but not really" bullshit you usually pull. This is something HUGE, and potentially catastrophic for the users of this site.

I demand to know in exactly what way this company have access to the Furaffinity user database (emails, usernames, passwords, etc), and if any of this data has been disclosed to IMVU or any of their partners, or if it will be at any point.

I also want to know if you will be implementing Facebook Connect, FB like buttons or any third party social networking features currently present on IMVU, and if so, when.

  sharpfang

#link     Posted: a year ago

  They needed two months to create a complete backup of all personal data on the site before people could be informed that they should remove it if they don't want the corporation to have it.

  rexxagon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Please don't say such scary things. :I

  rexxagon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Dragoneer I want an answer to this.
(yes putting your name here so you can find it using CTRL + F or whatever)

I really want to know whether or not I have to (and instruct all my friends to) remove their email addresses from this site, so that they don't end up having them sold to third party companies associated with IMVU.

  heartcollar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  it was a pleasure to be here. (mostly :D )
*sad music*

  spyrofan91

#link     Posted: a year ago

  inb4 IMVU sees all the porn
But I hope that this really would help out FA and improve it's services.
lololololololololololololol XD Who am I kidding, FA is gonna become a victim of corporate scum where their income and filling up their pockets have more importance than the community it caters to.

  kaioshin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hey.. now we have Googla Analytics n shit..


  jonas-pride

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ... I miss running amuck in Active Worlds ... Back before I even knew what "Furry" was xD

  kasune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ok but like

"IMVU reserves the right to redistribute content that has been uploaded to FurAffinity as agreed upon in page 9 of the terms of sale"

this really puts me off
is it saying that they can just take anything an artist posts and redistribute it? that's not cool.

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Dude that means they can steal artwork done by artists and then sell and redistribute it as their own. That is an absolute disgrace if true...

  blaiddwolfe

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Source? Is it in the Q/A thread?

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895062

  kwolf13

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Where is this quoted from if you don't mind me asking?

  danza

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://twitter.com/DanzaDragon/sta.....45431707652096

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And where did you take it from? i saw it on the forums, but no one said the source

  demonfan

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Where'd you find this? Don't see it anywhere on the journal.

  chase

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The content you upload belongs to you. Period.

IMVU cannot take your copyrights from you nor abuse your content simply because they own Fur Affinity.

  celestina

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So it's a false statement? It wasn't in the contract? Please say yes.

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think some clarity is needed with that transparency dish.

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Chase why didn't you buy the site instead :(
I'M WILLING TO OVERLOOK YOUR PAST. FIX THIS.

  sharpfang

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Unfortunately, they can write various things in the ToS, and the burden of proof that the entries are illegal is on you. Things like retroactive license changes, I'm pretty sure are illegal but do you have some $10k for a lawyer to enforce that?

  bencoon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU reserves jack and shit, as FA does not own the copyrights to images uploaded to this site.

  kinky-kitty

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Full link to this please?

  kasune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh man my comments notification exploded lol

i saw this quoted above and just copypasted it because i wanted further clarification. i dont know where the original commenter got it, i should have looked, admittedly.

  kasune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  further clarification bc like 10 people asked: i saw this quoted above and just copypasted it because i wanted further clarification. i dont know where the original commenter got it but when i read it, my eyebrows went far up.

so yeah.

  affywolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Pls don't take down the hot dog porn pls no

  mircea

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If Dragoneer or other staff is still reading the comments, please answer my question too: Will IMVU take their anti-porn fanaticism over on FA as well, and either ban art as they see fit or make it paid-only? Many comments above confirm that (like many companies) they are one of these sites that have a problem with NSFW stuff, and I'm worried they will bring this craze here as well...

  dragoneer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No. I made sure that was one the table when we discussed this.

  wolfbeast

#link     Posted: a year ago

  't was nice knowing you, FA. I hope you've done your homework before joining the "family". Expect strong-arming when you become reliant on them.

  pyrophin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Dragoneer, you wonderful dumb fat man. Thanks for all the laughs its been real

  wildlion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ugh
not a fan of chat sites, glad FA will operate independently but shit bruh

  glaide

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Really excited for the changes this will end up bringing!

  tastypants

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL3Rj9IT4Mc

  lupeyroo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I havent played IMVU since i was 13.... i hope a bunch of 13 year olds dont join us from there D:

  videogamastr

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I know a 13 year old on here who says hes 22

  lupeyroo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh joy!

  videogamastr

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You might want to report him his name is JayPikachu  JayPikachu

  toboe

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FA doesnt care…


Maybe imvu does

  thealphadoge

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm sure that the majority had faked their age to watch NSFW content here on FA. The smart ones won't even let you know that if its true, but logically speaking, yea.

  muskie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ........

Welp.

I'm gonna stay till the next AUP change, at least. Benefit of the doubt and all that.

If I se any changes i'm not entirely happy with.. Well, We had a good run.

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh good we just joined the most cringey middle schooly network in the universe

hooray

we're be taken even more seriously now

/sarcasm

  gratitude-advocate

#link     Posted: a year ago

  As long as this doesn't affect my ability to share writing with others, or to glance upon kinky/adorable arts, or to just hang out and shower the masses with shep-coon love eternal, then I'm neutral in this tumultuous decision to join this strange mysterious thing in which I've quite frankly never even heard of until this very minute, upon opening this journal. I didn't even NOTICE the re-occurring ads!... until now, that is.

If I wind up paying any annual fee to continue maintaining a userpage here (let alone 3), that'll simply carve my nuts off with a rusty hatchet-blade. Also if these puppies opt to crack down further on various kinks, I'll be heartbroken. :(

FA was the most awesome site I've ever stumbled upon and in many respects, still is, even years later. However, its just like a great folk-singer once proclaimed:

♪"The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin’
And the first one now will later be last
For the times they are a-changin’"♫

The times really are changing for this site, for its users, its moderators, everyone, everything... and nothing.
Why botch a good thing any further?
Corporate enterprise?
Egotistic monetary gain?
Dominance in ownership?
Outsider's crooked suggestions?
Shoving a hot poker up the puckering asses of insubordinate doubters and anti-establishment rogue-users?
Or is this all just a massive hoax to get the pot stirred among the community and the fandom as a whole?

Man, I'm so keen to making a documentary on the evolution and progression of the anthropomorphic tirades, its not even funny.
How can I if (in the worst-case scenario) I'm deprived of the very thing in which I savor daily? Hourly???

Guys... I'm not saying you've sold out, not saying you've fucked up and not trying to prod the fire with a stick of nitrate.
I am, however, concerned that this may be a path to eventual decrepit anguish for many others.
Many, MANY others!

Prove me wrong. Re-assure me. Put a grin on this ol' shep-coon's mug, if you'd please. If not for my sake, for the sake of my fellow furry brethren. Fuck knows, we can use a little reassurance right about now. :/

  kishnievrat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "FA started with a dream and a roll of duct tape..."
...and ended up being sold like a cow.

Argumentum ad crumenam at it's best!

  november

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Such truths.

  videogamastr

#link     Posted: a year ago

  As long as everything is the same, then Im fine

  saberkittyzero

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Welp, time to redownload and backup my pics so I can go to inkbunny.

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "IMVU reserves the right to redistribute content that has been uploaded to FurAffinity as agreed upon in page 9 of the terms of sale"

wait HOLD THE FUCK UP.

NO

NOT OKAY

NO

FUCK




looks like I'm taking a trip to watermark city

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I won't tolerate that, that means things I've commissioned and artists have created will be stolen and resold by this company...

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This terrifies me. I get commissioned quite frequently lately and even though the characters I draw aren't mine, the art IS mine.

This is not okay.

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Exactly! Our characters are our own intellectual property :s

  chase

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The content you upload belongs to you. Period.

IMVU cannot take your copyrights from you nor abuse your content simply because they own Fur Affinity.

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'd feel more comfortable about that when seeing the T&C of their ownership as the law in the United States doesn't apply to people with wads of cash...unlike me, some British guy with barely any money :(

  dragroon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Where does it say that?

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I don't have a direct source, but I'm seeing a BUNCH of other people mentioning it.. which scares the living hell out of me

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "A quote is always reliable on the internet." -Abraham Lincoln

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  honestly dude I'm just in panic mode about this. Real or not this is DEFINITELY raising some red flags for me

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Maybe it's because I only really use FA as an image hosting service, but I can't honestly see the doomsday scenario people are imagining from this.

But y'know. Ffffffurries.

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  hey man, this is my main source of secondary income (wow that sounds like an oxymoron). I can't just move to another site, there's a huuuge mass of people here. And that mass of people pay for my art. And that money helps me go to college. I'm already broke, I really don't need FA to worry about right now.

I usually don't panic about FA updates, but this one.. I'm getting a terrible vibe, broski

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Eh, I think people are probably just crying wolf (huehuehue) about this. I don't think it's any different than any other corporate merger.

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  well, possibly. Hell FA's been through hell and back.. so I guess we'll just have to wait and see

  vikushu

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "UPDATE 2"

You should read the journal again.

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  and you should read my journal again cause I basically copy and pasted what was in the journal, haha


...
still super fuckin uneasy about this "update" though

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895062

  chaoslordserith

#link     Posted: a year ago

  where do you see anything about that?

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  (copypasta'd my comment to answer you)

I don't have a direct source, but I'm seeing a BUNCH of other people mentioning it.. which scares the living hell out of me

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895062

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  yoooooooo is this for real cause that is not okay wth

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I keep seeing a bunch of other people talking about it so I really REALLY hope that this isn't real.

I really really do

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Lord me too because that's absolutely terrifying and means we're all going to have to spend a lot of time either heavily watermarking or purging our galleries. ughghughguhgugh I really hoped this was just a stupid april fool's day joke but this is just... ugh. I've stuck through a lot of poor decisions over the years of being here but this takes the cake lmao

Dragoneer's unwillingness to answer anything about this is concerning too. I've seen the question about this quote come up on the forums as well.

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  hell I've only been here for just a few years and I haven't agreed with a SINGLE "improvement" that this site has made. Not one. And people tell me to move somewhere else.. but it's really not that simple. This is where the commissioners are. This is where I'm able to actually pay for college. I can't simply go somewhere else.

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  DA does the same and no one complained

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44894969

He just responded about it and it doesn't look good.
But I definitely agree with you!

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I personally won't ever use DA because of it and wonder how many people don't realize DA does that (a lot of people don't honestly read ToS and other important documents to be fair).

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh god YES finally an answer.

and oh good the quote is real. this is bad. I don't fuckin agree with this

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeahhhhhh I don't care what anyone says I never agreed to anything I posted being used by anyone else, whether it's in a screenshot or not. This is ridiculous.

  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Whether or not it's real, I'm no longer using FA to post my artwork. Of course, that's pretty easy for me to say since I'm not using FA to make money. It might be entirely different if I were.

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  exactly, that's what I've been telling other peeps.. I couldn't really leave here. Hell I just appreciate you having that understanding. Lots of people have been getting mad over users not leaving because they have a source of income here?

I'm on DA, Weasyl, Tumblr, and FA... and FA alone consists of 80% of my commission pool. If I leave FA, there goes a big source of what's helping me get through college :{

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895062

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  this just makes me way more uneasy about all this...

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  WHERE does it say that? Everyone mentions it, no one shows us where it's from

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  (copypasta'd my comment to answer you)

I don't have a direct source, but I'm seeing a BUNCH of other people mentioning it.. which scares the living hell out of me

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Don't trust it unless you have a reliable source. EVERYONE mentions it, but no one gave the source

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  well for now.. I'm being cautious as fuck. Cause I've had my art stolen before and the last thing I want is someone "professional" using my art and getting away with it

I know I'm in panic mode, but for good reason

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  DA does the same, actually

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That's how memes spread, and then next thing you know Slenderman eats your face.

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  whoa what the hell, really?

Eh, I trust DA a bit more than I trust IMVU...

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Besides, 'Neer said thet it will be only for AD PUPROSES

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'd prefer to choose what's ripped for ads. :P

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's still not as bad as people made it look like

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And yet strangely enough he never once mentioned it in the original journal post.

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  W-wait. This is the second time I've seen this posted. I haven't checked the forum thread yet, where was this posted?

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  (copypasta'd my comment to answer you)

I don't have a direct source, but I'm seeing a BUNCH of other people mentioning it.. which scares the living hell out of me

  chase

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The content you upload belongs to you. Period.

IMVU cannot take your copyrights from you nor abuse your content simply because they own Fur Affinity.

  Comment hidden by its author
  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  uuuugh I'm just so fucking confused about all this. People are quoting left and right and I'm confused and I'm honestly just scared about this move on FA's part.

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895062

  ziblie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I JUST SAW THAT

I AM NOT OK WITH THIS

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I know dude, that's why I was copypasta-ing the quote on here ;~;

  wildlion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Figured FA would start doing shit like that so I've been watermarking my stuff like crazy, seems to be the only way to prevent that sort of thing.

  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I might have to follow in your footsteps then... I hate to do this because I want my watchers to enjoy art in it's whole.. but I think this is what I'll probably have to come to...

  wildlion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I know, I initially started to protect my rights, and then to prevent theft... and now this. lol I'm up to three different watermarks on my work, I try to keep them subtle out of respect for my clients but damn. Watermarking is still a good idea regardless... Because shit like this happens all over across different platforms when you don't... Regardless of if our work is protected on here or not, it doesn't stop you from protecting your own work, I really encourage watermarks

  lorena

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh My god. I do not have the vernacular to actually express my distaste and amusement at the new merger and the whole situation here.

I am both amused and think very negatively about the choice of business partner FA chose at the same time. I would also like to re-iterate that IMVU is a FREEMIUM based 3D messaging client that uses the mantra of "Oh you can use our place for free, but if you don't pay for adult verification and you don't pay to actually make yourself look decent, good luck having anyone even talk to you."

I wonder how the new overlords are going to take over and direct the site in the future. It's bad enough that FA hasn't got a single decent facelift in the entire time I've been using the site, and has more then once been taken down for over a week at a time due to DDOS issues or hardware issues. Yes, you just got a partner that can help fund updates, i hear that. But do you think for one moment, if you decide to update the site that they won't have a say in it? No. Because guess what, you just handed over the site to a group of people that don't give a shit about actually making their own website decent to go through.

I've used IMVU. Spyware issues ahoy batman. I had quite literally so many issues from just using their lackluster chat program it was uninstalled after two days, and I'd spent 30 dollars making an avatar not look like the base crap one and gave some different places a try. IMVU is terrible, their entire system is terrible, and I can't see that for a single moment they are going to just let you direct the site where you want it to go, 'neer.

I'm disappointed in the choice of partner here, but in a way I'm glad. I was looking for even more motivation in getting a part time to full time job, in order to possibly move away from working on commission basis with my art and I think this is just another push in that direction.

I can understand why you did this, I just wish you would have looked into much more reliable partnerships before handing the site over to a group that owns one of the least reliable most spyware loaded websites with one of the buggiest, worst freemium community based chat programs with terrible, TERRIBLE management over what the user created content is uploaded and what is actually functional.

I can't even get this to come out right, but I'm disappointed, amused, frustrated, and I'll be watching on in both fear and annoyance in the future with new changes and I've seen first hand just why blocking ads is in your best interest, and just how bad the product your new bosses created is.

*sigh*

  chaoslordserith

#link     Posted: a year ago

  too bad IMVU is a greedy POS that is utter crap and will only bring a bad reputation to FA

  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Even though FA's reputation wasn't exactly squeaky clean before all this.

  getsuookami

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And you didn't tell us until now?

  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah, the transparency that was promised is as clear as mud.

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm just going to assume at this point since Dragoneer has admitted that he no longer owns FA and they can go over his head at any time with decisions that all of our information (emails, passwords, etc.) that everyone is worried about CAN and WILL at some point in time be accessible to IMVU. I mean, they own it. I imagine it wouldn't legally be possible to keep them from accessing it if they wanted to.

  garmondo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hmm... I wonder... since people are just reading this... how many people can you bet they'll be migrating to other sites after reading this?

So far I've seen three journals about it on my side... the number will go up. :I

  canibyte

#link     Posted: a year ago

  just out of curiosity how much did they procure FA for?

  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A few wooden nickels and some used chewing gum.

  incubus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FA is doomed.
Good bye cruel world.

  kellicjtiger

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If the bagillion times FA went down didn't kill it, selling it to someone isn't.

  incubus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's not selling it that'll make it worse than it already is.
IMVU has never been known to be particularly "good".

Then again, neither has FA.

  kellicjtiger

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Does Bad + Bad = Good? ;)

  rksparkster

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hi Harold Camping!
So what is this, the 43rd time FA was "doomed" and you came back anyway?

  incubus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's where the money is at, unfortunately.
When you are a full-time artist, you gotta take what you can get. :p

  d-yoshi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It was sooo fun scrolling all the way down to the comment box hahaha <3

  meowchi75

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's an adventure of a lifetime isn't it XD

  bunshigihanumie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wait WHAT!!! Oh Hell no I better start watermarking my stuff too.

  fivel

#link     Posted: a year ago

  TIME TO MAKE AN ANIME 3D VERSION OF MYSELF
jkkkkkkk

  mewwie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yanno, I've never ever EVER heard of this "IMVU", not in passing, not in any chat, not even drunk out of my mind and chatting with people and imagining them saying different things than they actually were. Aaaaand now they.. own FA. that's a lot like saying "Hey, guys, this is Bob. no one knows him but I assure you he's an awesome person! I have nothing to back this up, but boom! Bob!"

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  toboe

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wait… is this true?

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer's resposne: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895062

  kraest

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So, what IS FA doing for imvu? You still haven't said anything other than advertising for them. They give you $20,000 in stuff to improve the site and completely buy it out for what, exposure? That's all you've said so far is that they get exposure from you. You're saying that there won't be any negative changes, that all they're getting is exposure from a few ads, that you'll still be in control...there's definitely something you're not saying, because no company would ever buy out a website to get shafted this badly. We all know you're no master negotiator, Dragoneer, we've seen you flip flop like a flapjack in your twitter feed, so there's no way you could spring a deal like that. "you give us all the equipment we want and you get a few ads"? No.

  lipton

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "IMVU reserves the right to redistribute content that has been uploaded to FurAffinity as agreed upon in page 9 of the terms of sale"

So, IMVU now owns our copywritten content?
Good game, good game.

  danjen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Apparently they've owned it for over two months :^)

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Just to be careful, where is this coming from? A few people are posting it but I'm not sure from where.

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer confirmed: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895062

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FOR AD PURPOSES! It's not what people have been saying around here at all!

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Any of your content for their ads. :>

  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  heh...

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ...welp.

  thrakos

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Please stop saying FA has any transparency when it's clear you don't intend any. I think this is more because dragoneer is burnt out on running the site than any real benefits the community will receive.

  melissar1

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  maxwolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Talk about shooting yourself in the face. You never could run the site correctly.. and at the first opportunity sell it off. Time for mass exodus to Weasyl, will be closing my account today.

  sewpoke

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So like, where's all the money that was already donated by countless suckers for the changes that IMVU is now apparently paying for? ;c

  chaossal

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why did you not announce that you wanted to sell???
You could have sold it to furries! These people are NOT furries and they will not understand how are fandom works at all!
And they HATE PORN! This is bad, really bad! D:
You don't sell the most popular furry site to non furries!


  danjen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Uh

Shouldn't you kind of... announce this not two months late?

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Even as man, the great Furry cherished us. For it saw in us, in each of us, the future of Furries. The future of furraffinity! And there it is, friends! The ugly truth! We are the children of furries! Furaffinity is the true god of furries! Ascended from flesh, to rule the realm of spirit! The very idea is inconceivable to our IMVU overlords! Sharing the heavens with us? With furries? Ha! They can barely tolerate our presence on earth! Today, they take away your faith. But what of tomorrow? What then? Does IMVU take your homes? Your businesses? Your yiff? Your very lives? And what does FA do? Nothing! Nay, worse than nothing! The Imperial machine enforces the will of IMVU! Against its own people! So rise up! Rise up, children of Furaffinity! Rise up, Furries! Embrace the word of mighty Furaffinity, he who is both furry and Divine!

I got bored...don't judge me for editing Skyrim quotes ;_;

  brightlion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  With open arms, with drama and porn, with joy in my heart and dragon dildos in my butt! Praise be to Furry, this is a glorious day for FA users and for all furries! Our liberators have come at last!

  monochromemouse

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU still exists?

  rokosho

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I have a feeling a lot of people are gonna leave FA....

  clcoon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  gonna? havent they already been for like years? :3

  vimto

#link     Posted: a year ago

  give it a week lol

  rokosho

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I give it a day

  scoopicus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  personally I would trust the ass-lanterns at IMVU to run the site more than I would trust the fucking morons here that thought handing over the site to IMVU was a good idea

  leumassetay

#link     Posted: a year ago

  this, so much this. XD

  sovrim

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So why wait until two months after the acquisition to make this announcement? That's the part of this that makes the least sense to me.

  morticia

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So they had time to steal everyone's information :^)

TRANSPARENCY!

  danjen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  *cough*Donations*cough*

  stray

#link     Posted: a year ago

 
All dragoneer Replies


We believe you!
said no one ever

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Waaah, Neer doesn't personally reply to all the thousands of users pestering him!

(and when he does) LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  namelessimp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well to be fair, he has a preeety big history of lying and broken promises.

  willymcmilly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Let's see who could get fucked over in this situation:

-Dragoneer, though he supposedly has "creative control", IMVU can still pull the rug from under him at any time and take everything for themselves.

-Artists who sell to make a living, if IMVU completely takes this site over, they could prevent users selling art from the site, as you already can't make real money from IMVU legally. They could also prevent some or all user-made ads and replace them with ads of their own.

-Users in general, IMVU could make you pay for a "premium membership", pay to verify your age, etc. They could make us pay for anything they want. Nobody if not barely any people here are willing to pay to be on FA. There are many other furry art sites they could move to which are completely or mostly free.

-THE WHOLE FUCKING SITE, IMVU, being as they are, will definitely want some publicity out of this. They can and probably will, like I said earlier, and if they still allow paid commisions, replace user-made ads with ads of their own, making it hard for users to get publicity, which will make it hard for them to earn money here, which will make them leave, which will make others leave, which will lessen the site's population, lessening its popularity. This means that if it gets too low, IMVU could shut FA down.

  willymcmilly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Not to mention possibly no more porn...

  draky

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So... i'll have to activate Adblocks for Furaffinity soon ? ...

  darkshadowfoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  WHAA FA WHY YU DO THIS YOU MAKE ME SAD :<<

;A; *cries forever while molesting a milktank*

  sonic808

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Congrats!

  theothefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Official predictions:

>Micropay or full paid accounts

>We'll all have to have IMVU accounts and USE THEM

>Tons of people are already "jumping ship" but they'll be back soon

>Dragoneer will never answer the questions regarding the donations that seem to have been all for nothing, or sidestep around them

>IMVU's promise of changing things "for the better" will mean better for them, not for us

>FA is well on it's way to self destruction

  hipakipa

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh he answered quesions about the donations in the forum link

  theroop

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i'm going to ask questions here because I can't get into the forums. Hopefully someone will see it who can answer.
what will happen to FA if IMVU goes under
and can IMVU ever say they want the AUP to be changed, for instance, banning certain things?

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  UUuhhhhh that's an excellent question. i didn't even know IMVU still EXISTED, much less thrived. i doubt they'll be around forever.

  jingles

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oooooooooooooooo watcha say

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Beautiful.

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "IMVU reserves the right to redistribute content that has been uploaded to FurAffinity as agreed upon in page 9 of the terms of sale"

Dragoneer's response: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895062

  alphazion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Pretty sure it still belongs to the creator under the DMCA, and if it said anything about handing over copyright in the TOS we'd have heard about it by now.

DA got embroiled in this exact thing last year. And the internet's lousy with stuff like this anyhow. Remember Ebaumsworld? (not sure if that's still around)

  fluffdance

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So FA is a for-profit business, then? Because otherwise, what's the point of IMVU investing money in a site they won't be getting involved in?

  killer4u77

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Idk entirely how i feel about this. A group of strict non-furs running the most popular fur site in the world? This doesn't sound very promising if they are going to keep a close eye on how the site is run.

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  lacertanoctua

#link     Posted: a year ago

  RIP FA, soon to become paid.

  cencewolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Imvu will do what it wants. They own it now..

Its this simple for me, the minute i start getting "censored" or hit up for cash to do things i could previously just do for free... GONESKI,..

Yes the ownership of FA did a "deal" and yes somone profited from it.. From the "spin" put on it, we are to believe it will be the community members who profit. ... Im not sold on that personally (shrug) each of us will have to figure that out for themselves and time will tell.

  banty

#link     Posted: a year ago

  From the FA's current "Submission Agreement"...

"FA retains full rights to modify or change the terms set forth within this document at any time. Any changes will be posted publicly via news updates and/or administrative notices. Any and all changes made to this document become retroactive."

While I'm not sure how that could possibly be legal (you agree to this policy even if we change it, and all changes are retroactively true forever), it could very well mean that IMVU could change the Submission Agreement at any point to claim full ownership of all submitted intellectual property. Note that it does not matter if Dragoneer says he intends to steer this site still: he has admitted already that they have the ability to override him, and I'm going to bet they have more lawyers than he's aware of tying his hands.

I also am deeply concerned by the fact that community-led efforts to reclaim the site for the users, by the users, were ignored in favour of this laughable sellout. There is an army of potentially volunteer coders available to this site. Transparent donation drives could have easily supplied needed equipment/funds. Users have (claimed to have) made offers to buy the site out, admittedly for likely less than $20,000. But if Dragoneer was truly concerned for the site, and not simply his role in administering the community, these alternatives would have been much more desirable. Better to risk burning our own community to the ground than giving the matches to someone else. I cannot fathom this buyout will be a net benefit to any of the community, and I am shocked that it was done secretly, without even an attempt at transparency.

  grizzlies96

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Here's my question:
If this apparently happened in January, that means that nothings changed in the 2 months that it's already been Going on! Therefore, what reason do we have to worry?

  firewolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Did you announce this now because the chargeback period is 60 days after it appears on the statement? What happened to the list of things you've spent the donated money on? Dragoneer, buddy, pal. What is going on?

  revamp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Buddy? You smoking the good stuff? Cuz I want what you're having to think like that

  aerincassidy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm very hopeful with this, it could actually be a great thing for FA. Hell, YouTube was at its best when Google kept the owners in charge but just supplied them with money and resources. I just hope it stays that way.

  t-i-g-g

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ""IMVU reserves the right to redistribute content that has been uploaded to FurAffinity as agreed upon in page 9 of the terms of sale""

Reason to leave immediately. This is stuff you have no right to do.

  sin.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Woah wait are you kidding me ?

Where is this at....

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895062

  chewylemon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He ssentially acknowledges it right here.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895062

  sin.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Please kill me.

I wish he would honestly answer someone else in that string of comments, he didn't deny the posting or usage of artwork, he just stated that screenshots are allowed.

  revamp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Almost 10 years and this is what it comes to? Man fuck this

  sin.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is just fucking stupid.


Why pick I think it was like computercivet or something like that on twitter that was willing to buy the website for $200,000 and secure you the highest seat on the board, when you can honestly just pick the trashiest microtransaction (more like macro) chat website there is.

"Come make your furry" wow jesus, more like come waste your money on this Dollar-Store Diet-Secondlife because we bought out FA, and gave them $20k worth of servers (apparently) for fucking adware.


Also great job on the beautiful transparency guys, because this sell apparently happened in January {from what I've heard} and they waited until now to say anything.


Also with this new partnership I'm guessing that gofundme wasn't really needed after all.
Just good job, you should be patting yourself really hard on the back right about now.



  vosur

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Alright, my two-cents and personal experience on this:

IMVU (Instant Messenger Virtual Universe) was definitely having problems back in 2006-2007, mostly around the "Adult Pass" program. I know this first hand because I was a part of their member volunteer team to gather in opinions and route them to the individuals for creation of new in-chat animations and those in charge for determining what was labeled as "adult" and what was labeled as "general".

Most of the issues that the team, users who were all asked to help by the IMVU staff to assist this section of the community, was that when we got overwhelming (quite near unanimous) response by the public (when questioned) on something to state that a particular item was "general" rated, it was phased into the Adult section the next update. Essentially a slap into the face of the Adult community. This happened on multiple occasions. There were even occasions of complete removal of content altogether without viable replacements and policies would change without any mention to the team so that the information could give a heads-up or even get an opinion from the community before it was implemented.

What I also had found out that these such problems happened long before my arrival and that there were prior teams set up just like the one I took part of, with little-to-no-avail. That being said, I am ashamed to say that those problems were never resolved during my time there and I eventually left to go onto those who were more cooperative (SL) in their virtual world interactions in late 2007.



Now with that said, I might still have an account there (each user has their own page, I don't know if mine still exists), but I doubt that FA will go unaffected by IMVU's rash decision making that it has had, or the possibility that FA can become "unprofitable" to IMVU very quickly, and thus be deemed either pay-per-view (as others have mentioned) or may just finally be done-in when that time comes. I do not know how it will go.

  sin.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I completely agree with this, there is NO way that they're going to purchase the website, and send over $20k worth of hard drive "just for a few ad's". I think IMVU plans to ease into this website and then do whatever they want and think is necessary, because guess what, now they own it.

Dragoneer tries to make it sound like it's okay, that he still has a "leadership" or somewhat of a "management" role but in all reality,
he really just tried to put out the fire with gasoline.

  vosur

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Now it's less of an "if" this site will finally have it's final hurrah, but "when."

  sin.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I totally agree, people are complaining about the people leaving saying that they'll come back but Dragoneer has finally used and become every definition of the word(s) "Sell-out".


so I guess now's the time to SAIL OUT h a

  vosur

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm curious to see "when" it will happen, but I'm definitely preparing for that time.

  krysune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wow what a stupid move.

  rksparkster

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And once again, ZOMG IM LEEVIN FA 5EVA! WEEZUL4LYFE!
You'll be back. You're always back.

  jingles

#link     Posted: a year ago

  this

  rksparkster

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I even made a graphic for all of these people crying about DUH APOCALYPSE like Harold Camping http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15038395/

I've seen one person actually leave FA. One.
Let's face it, for every person that leaves FA about five make an account as the fandom grows.

  sergalhixantapo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ew.

  rathalos1

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I hate to be that guy, I have been on Fa since 2009 and I know others have been here longer, wasn't IMVU like a MASSIVE virus cache for quite some time through their ads and installing process?

Another thing that bugs me, is our personal information and the whole idea of "paid accounts for adult material on IMVU", I have taken the time to read through all the comments from dragoneer from on here and I've notice that.

1.He no longer owns the site ( biggest concern as im sure any other community will probably want you to register with them to access their new property for continued use)
2. He has stated nothing is planned on being changed but they CAN OVERRIDE THIS (another huge concern I havent seen an answer for)
3. he didn't tell anyone because...... I've got nothing.

All I am saying is, I make a bit of cash here, and met many many friends,my art helps pay my bills over time, for all artists (IM NOT SAYING THIS TO BE A DICK TO THIS SITE I ENJOY HERE) make a weasyl just in case, and try to get your support base back, a contingency plan is always a good idea.

  janglur

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Was? It still is. I've repaired computers for a living and have seen more viruses come out of IMVU than Limewire. Which is just... an amazing record.

  ippikiookami

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is sausage to me.

  frostyorca

#link     Posted: a year ago

  so... when do the new TOS come out? since IMVU now owns the site do there TOS cover the FA content?

  vaerinn

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Given the overall reactions here, I can't really say anything more but

Dehumanize Yourself And Face To Bloodshed

  gravewalker

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I feel like this was a super stupid idea. Among other ones that have been made in the past as well. Ugh.

  red13nanaki

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This makes no sense at all either way. I've seen that ad pop up a few times while on my phone and it looks like something a 14 year old girl would use.

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ""IMVU reserves the right to redistribute content that has been uploaded to FurAffinity as agreed upon in page 9 of the terms of sale""

No one has sourced this yet...

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44894969

He's responded about it though and confirmed.

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yea but what he has said is that it's essentially for screenshot ads, not what everyone is hyping it up to be. this is being pushed like IMVU can just take your art and use it for profit, which is not what he's saying.

  starprince

#link     Posted: a year ago

  But the problem is that he isn't telling us about it in a transparent way.
He says nothing about FA will be changing due to this and yet now anyone's artwork can be used "for ads".
What's stopping them for using it in any other way? How can we even trust that that's the ACTUAL truth?
And when were we ever going to be told about this? And why have we not been given the option to agree to this change or not. As current users we haven't agreed to a new ToS/SA about any artwork we upload being allowed for use of another company. Yet in the current Submission Agreement it states:

FA retains full rights to modify or change the terms set forth within this document at any time. Any changes will be posted publicly via news updates and/or administrative notices. Any and all changes made to this document become retroactive. No submission shall be "grandfathered" in prior to any changes made to the SA.

EDIT: I certainly didn't agree to THAT in the SA when I joined back in 2009 /ENDEDIT

Yet we didn't even get the public news about this change because apparently it's been in affect for at least 2 months now.

It's just all a bundle of concern rather than one thing. This statement is like the straw that breaks the camels back.

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh no i DEFINITELY agree, the lack of honesty is a huge problem. i 100% agree with you on all of this. i just feel like people's focus is turning toward the wrong direction and they're all getting fired up over a something that is being treated like a quote with no proof when i think the concern SHOULD be that we never get solid answers to our questions.

  firondraak

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Much like how tumblr can take your gifs and pictures to show on the frontpage, this is giving them the same rights.

  notanythingimportant

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^^^^^^

this kind of clause exists on nearly every site which allows content upload, and nobody bats an eyelash

  psychedelichues

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I hope it's nothing like what Google did to Youtube.
And by that, I mean raping it and fucking everybody who uses it.



  danza

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hello, that might be my fault :V

I posted it originally to a furry LJ as something that I IMAGINED could be real and it just exploded.

https://twitter.com/DanzaDragon/sta.....41903933136896

  dirtypaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh, it was you? OFF WITH YOUR HEAD

just kidding. it'll simmer down soon enough i'm sure. thank you for closure!


  danza

#link     Posted: a year ago

  *User - Danza has been beheaded*

;..;

  danza

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Because FA wont let me edit my comment for some reason - Here is the fixed link: https://twitter.com/DanzaDragon/sta.....45431707652096

  frostthesnowleopard

#link     Posted: a year ago

  isn't IMVU against some of the things people make on here though? o.o

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Good luck with your refunds, donators!

  soraxroxas2

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS

  furnator

#link     Posted: a year ago

  why all the hate towards partnering with imvu? i may not be an artist, and i know people earn a living making art via FA, but you people all complain even before something happens. am i the only one seeing something good? okey i admit imvu isnt that great, but if it means more performance towards imvu thats just great

  furnator

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i meant FA

  oversoul

#link     Posted: a year ago

  wow you guys sold out quicker than anthrocon thanks for choosing money over your friends,family and the community
that gave us all a place to call home real classy

  germ

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "was acquired by IMVU earlier this year in January 2015"

I wonder if this is associated/linked with them being at Further Confusion earlier this year, in January.

  zoren

#link     Posted: a year ago

  After hearing this news I've also been wondering that. The timing at the least was quite coincidental.

  apwachimol

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/ima.....20110320055543

  lonewolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

  rksparkster

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yes you will. http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15038395/

  lonewolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I never actually left the site over anything, but please, strawman some more.

  rksparkster

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Though you were clearly considering leaving the site out of an impulsive frenzy without considering what might ACTUALLY happen.

  lonewolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "Clearly"

You apparently don't know what this word means.

Please sit down and let the grown-ups talk, okay?

  fluffycanine

#link     Posted: a year ago

  And the time bomb is ticking

  necrobat

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Maybe now we can get a better story uploader? Pleeaase?

  -alexx-

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It astounds me that dragoneer manages to consistently break his record of the poorest choices made.

Time to update my anti-spyware :3c

  sin.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I agree with this comment entirely.

  chewylemon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Best comment. All the years.

  typhon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU has you pay to access adult content, there is no way around it. Also 90% of the community there seems to get off on trolling people, mostly if your avatar looks ugly i there eyes, like a avian one. So why is FA joining a community that supports trolling others that don't fit there look?

  keileon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  >trolling

Welcome to the internet, I hope you enjoy your stay.

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Just because it exists, it doesn't make it okay. :3

  keileon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No, of course not, but what's happening is essentially complaining about water thrown at you when you're standing around in a heavy rainstorm.

  typhon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You do know that is the common troll response to such a comment right?

  keileon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You do know that was the point right?

  typhon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yup which is not a good thing!

  keileon

#link     Posted: a year ago

 

  charliemon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  proud.. fucking proud really?

  strikercue12

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Bye FA It has been a fun 10 years well, 8 if you take out all the downtimes... time to get my sofurry going...

  psychedelichues

#link     Posted: a year ago

  How's this going to affect independent artist's business? Is this going to put a halt or stunt in the self employment opportunities on FA?

  wildlion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Y4Ls0FvPQ gigl

  htfcuddles

#link     Posted: a year ago

  People, simply stop crying.

>They will ban porn!!! they hate porn!!!!oneoneone

You'll run away either to Weasyl or to Inkbunny or somewhere else.

>Dragoneer sold us!!!!!

I accept it if you dont have a facebook account nor a google one nor account in any forum nor Twitter nor anything. They (over all Facebook) sell your data to third parties in a daily basis.
Otherwise it's a simple "so?".

>IMVU will be millionaires with our stuff! I wont allow that!!!!oneoneone

Then remove your stuff and leave. When you're being imposed something and you dont like it, then why do you stay?

>But... fA is the biggest furry site out there!

So? If you want to reach that audience, you'll accept their terms. If you don't like the terms, then go to some site that actually does. Why else do you have an account in -insert famous social network site here-?

Every single time anything is announced, without exception, there's an insane dose of drama, people threatening with leaving and everything comes back to the same status quo.

If you're so disappointed at dragoneer as you say, then be happy, dragoneer will have somebody else behind pushing him to do things. Maybe we'll even be able to have these improvements that we've waited for so long. If you arent, then stop crying and move on with your life.

  eozdniw

#link     Posted: a year ago

  In 2 months people will have either forgotten about this, or moved on to a different website. What's the point in stressing over it? Whatever happens, it's hardly the end of the world as we know it. The outcomes fall into two broad camps:
1. Everything stays roughly the same, no major changes, move along.
2. The website becomes unusable or is disbanded entirely. The users go to a different website.

In either case, the situation will resolve itself and all this drama will be nothing but a dim memory of panic and outrage.

  psychedelichues

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If the changes are completely different, everybody will remember it. FA has had some awesome opportunity for self run businesses that I've never seen on any other site.

There's a saying that if a dog brings you a bone to be careful because he's probably looking to bring one back with him.
If FA sold out to IMVU, then there might be a catch. I just hope it's not a big one.

  sylverdarkness

#link     Posted: a year ago

  this could be both a good thing and a bad thing

IMVU knows how to run servers, but they know how to run AD servers even better.

at least we'll see some real development here hopefully

  keileon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lol at all the people raising a fuss over this

Thanks for the update!

  coldclaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Mamamia pizzaria give me a spaghetti

  adalwinamillion

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is... wow

  hellsmaw84

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeeeah. I can care less about IMVU. I'll gladly stick with its superior of Second Life.

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Good thing IMVU owns FA then! :D

  asher-the-firefox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ahhhh overreacting furries. *grabs popcorn and scrolls through* :3

  chancewolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I noticed the date of this article is March 19, 2015 and not April 1, 2015. Should probably fix that.

Oh, you're serious.

  bloodceles

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "We can now work on improving our infrastructure, adding more storage, making performance improvements and improved coding support to reach our full potential. As a community member, the only difference you will notice is a better, smoother experience and increased functionality of the site as time goes on."

hmmm I sware its like I've been here before....

  stormychang

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wow man... dat transparency... so on point, so up to date. Yea, you really got that goal together. Nobody plays that stupid IMVU thing anymore. Man.. this is just one bad decision after another... v.v

  motheaten

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's somewhat worrying.

No company will pay you enough money to sue them successfully. Therefore, thier interpretation of a contract is always correct.

Here's hoping for the best. I don't want to have to leave FA for whatever reason. I really don't.

  lexibutt

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Is this fucking serious? This is possibly the worst possible decision FA could have ever made.

I used to use imvu for years, (my username was Lexi) and finally quit (about 2 years ago) because of how terrible it had gotten. I check back and it's even worse today. All the crap I had to deal with included:

Way too many advertisements
An infinite amount of even more ads in my inbox
Them constantly asking for me to upgrade back to vip after I left
Horrid customer service
CONSTANT THEFT OF MY WORK
CONSTANT DMCAS AGAINST THE PEOPLE WHO STOLE MY WORK
STAFF NOT GIVING A SHIT ABOUT IT
staff being constantly rude
Little kids completely taking over the place (ages 13 and under)
constant bitching and whining by little kids
They even perma banned accounts for tiny little mistakes that could have been easily fixed
Mistakes like an adult product being accidentally submitted as GA instead of Adult
Constant hacks on account
Even more theft of work, because some hackers made a dupe program (years ago, still being used today by tons of little kids and more hacks) that was MADE to literally rip the files and textures right off your account
And wow there's so much more but I'm just too angry to type it all

literally Imvu is the greediest, most annoying, ruined, and terrible website that went completely downhill and killed itself. I Fled to FA from imvu because it seemed like a better place where art theft and retarded ass staff wasn't such a big issue. Now it's going to be. Seriously considering quitting here now and going to weasyl (or any other fur website).


  emilythepenguin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh good, this is what we have to look forward to on FA?

ugh

ugh

UUUGHGGHGHGG

  nightpaws

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh dear... Here we go again... -_-

  empa

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hahaha, glad to see fur affinity is still fucking everything up.

  migoto~da

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://twitter.com/Saikyo_Husky/st.....44356627730432

  sugarsweet

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ....uh huh.

  hipakipa

#link     Posted: a year ago

  well, if anything, the only two factors that will cause me to actually leave are this

Any sort of paywall, period.

and two; a ban or restriction on nsfw art. Im not gonna pretend I don't like it like others seem to, but its like, if that is gone I might as well just use DA only! Well, aside from the nice fursuit suit makers

but, so long as neither of those two things happen, i hope for the best!! I honestly dont mind the site how it is now, im not that picky, but so long as it doesnt become more complicated (to where it is just a pain to try and learn) i wont really mind too much

  streifi

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "IMVU reserves the right to redistribute content that has been uploaded to FurAffinity as agreed upon in page 9 of the terms of sale"

So, are we involuntary cashcows now?

Even though I'm not an active artist, I find this troubling...



  willingprey94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  For ad purposes

  jestre

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neer: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:44895062

  ankutenwolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I just came here to see the comments and I could of not laughed my ass off. We don't know what IMVU will do with FA yet, even if we know that IMVU has the right to redistribute, we don't know what they're going to redistribute, probably other fur's ads, or artwork, etc. We only know about the deal that has been made. If they decide to do something with FA, then everybody just haul ass and move to another site where all of you furs can get your glorious fur porn.

  auric-

#link     Posted: a year ago

  inb4 "The EULA has been changed, all the art, content & traffic of FA is now owned by IMVU and can be used in commercially by the owner"

... I know that keeping this place running costs a ton but honestly, this is pretty weird. I don't understand how they are planning to monetize this site to justify all the expenses. I guess they can try either with lots of ads, or premium perks or something, but I dunno if that makes enough profit to be worth the faff to a company that's doing business.

Somehow I'm getting the feeling that this will end up like every company Microsoft has ever bought. I.e. embrace, extend, extinguish.

But oh well, free services and all that. Can't really complain.

  jackson77

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ew. Well FA hasn't changed with this bs.

  revamp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Your icon describes this perfectly

  lei-lani

#link     Posted: a year ago

  While I appreciate the need to form joint ventures as a means to stay sound in the business world, I'm rather disappointed by the choice of partner.

FurAffinity, to be perfectly honest, isn't the most profitable "furry" company around. To think that it can successfully merger with as strong a company as IMVU, without any backlash from executives, without any of their intervention, without their noses poking into FA's business, is very poor thinking.

I'm worried IMVU will swallow FurAffinity alive. Has anyone also brought up the very real fact that, if FA proves to not be a worthwhile venture for IMVU, the company has every right to resell, or even dissolve FurAffinity entirely?

I hope Dragoneer read the fine-print.

That's all I have to say.

  shadoweon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I too am highly worried that IMVU may eventually give up on Fur Affinity and it will be shut down,they would be the kind of company that would do that. I sincerely hope the company will sell to another buyer if it gets to that point.

  zeta-haru

#link     Posted: a year ago

  :c

  gennie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Welp. FA's fucked. Time to jump ship to Inkbunny.

  graystone

#link     Posted: a year ago

  *Pokes head in door and sniffs* I smell popcorn! Who's got the popcorn?

  revamp

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU

  doornob

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You are nothing short of adorable uwu

  blueskydragonfx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So you sold your website basically?

I genuinely hope you talked to a decent lawyer about this.




Also strange how you're mentioning all these issues when this website has collectively paid you thousands of dollars for that...

  mikeloceanlane

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's been fun folks! See you all elsewhere if you're wise!

Weasyl, SoFurry, InkBunny etc

Better alternatives! Leave while you can! Abandon the ship!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfkNvOOiZ_8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfkNvOOiZ_8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfkNvOOiZ_8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfkNvOOiZ_8

htt ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfkNvOOiZ_8

ITS HAPPENING!

  zuflux

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I didn't think IMVU still was relevant. Damn.

  fluttersjay

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Awesome. I've been on IMVU since 2007, so I can say I've done my part on there. As far as I see it, nothing bad will happen, but the comments tell me it's Microsoft buys Mojang all over again.

Big businesses buy successful websites and/or games. It's a practice that's been done for a long time. Google bought Youtube, Amazon bought Twitch, as long as it's not EA that buys your stuff, you're pretty much settled. That's all.

  aquatheslimegirl

#link     Posted: a year ago

  great...

  wolfgangthehusky

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Don't see why people are leaving over this really.

It's not preventing artists from posting porn and it's not leaking personal information (than what we've already found)

  binturongboy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ... people still use IMVU???


  onni

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I am wondering, out of unbridled curiosity, did the folks at IMVU actually SEE what they were getting in FA, or were they just TOLD about it? On the flipside of the coin, if I were them and had just acquired this supposedly great art community site and were expected to plug money into it without much of a return other than permanent ad space I would be very concerned. They are going to want to check out their investment and once they find the mountain of over the top furry porn on it, they will see what a PR nightmare it would be to have the site as is and a massive purge of porn would probably be very quickly in order. Afterall, a family friendly company cannot afford have such a site connected to it.
--Onni

  addletwintone

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A bad decision by FA. I don't trust IMVU, all the things I've read have led me to not like they way they handle business. On top of that, IMVU does NOT have the right to use my art. I don't care if it's uploaded here or not. They have their own community. As long as it doesn't cause trouble for us FA users....I'm somewhat okay.

But the moment they change the ToS without letting anyone know then try to pull a "Well, we're partners now" type move is the day FA will fall. *dramatic colossus scene straight out of SoC.*

  shinichitrurai

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I support your decision on finding a company who would work with you, Dragoneer. But, I just hope you can deal with all this backlash that has stirred up now. :/

  wolfyhero

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Welp, looks like it's time to leave this websie >.>

  jaibo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Y'all will be comin' back anyways.

  bondofox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've bot a lot of DIY furniture from them over the years.

All seriousness aside, how will this affect posting of adult art?

  vixus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Furaffinity now owned by IMVU..
Prediction: In 2 weeks we'll get a notification "Closing down, you have 5 days to save your content"

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's ok, someone already did that for everybody on this website. :)

http://vj5pbopejlhcbz4n.onion.city/fa/vixus/

  vixus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Neat!

  bisonbull92

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Am wondering if i could be in FA

I do hope adult art could still be in it

  karaken

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So the gofundme stuff was a sham. You needed 'help' when IMVU was already giving you the stuff you needed, you just pocketed the funds and said it was used for the upgrades and all.

...... Bravo, bravo

  jaibo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well somehow 'neer needs to pay his rent and wife.

  danjen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So it's okay to steal from the community because they were misinformed about it?
Absolutely not!

  jaibo

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m.....fhi2o1_500.gif

  cekuba

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^

  quinnsquid

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "Going forward, FA will continue to operate independently but with IMVU’s support and resources to upgrade our services."

That's what every studio owned by EA has ever said.... Hell every company bought out by another anywhere....

You get their support, for a while... Till they want you in lock-step with their own corporate values. Then the hammer comes down.

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  cyggie

#link     Posted: a year ago

 

  koinukasuka

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ............. IMVU sucks

  jristz

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ha that Term of use change look somekind ilegal in some countries.
you know as fa I know some countries allow the change but explicitely say the the "user" need to be informed directly (email, postcard, PM) and explicit say that he/she/them agree to become valid otherwhise default to rejected.

So this change could be ilegal in some places or legal on other, gotta know what could happend if some artist aoutside USA/UK decide sue for using they images in ads...

but well, unless that happend there is nothing that can be really know unless you are a lawyer or atorney.

  furzewolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Goodbye FurAffinity, I've enjoyed you, but I'm going to focus on one of your several competitors, and concentrate on making my personal furry homepage, as opposed to using your convenient but fugly solution. I think that this sellout has broken the wuffs back here.

  jaggysheppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is crazy.~ Goodluck.

  freehaven

#link     Posted: a year ago

  >promise transparency

>wait two months to tell everyone the site got sold off to IMVU

While I’m here and taking potshots: HEY ’NEER, HOW’S THAT NEW UI COMIN’ ALONG?

  cyandragon15

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Interesting....

  strawberry-fox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What a way to kill FA~!
But we will wait and see how it goes

  arwen.

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Funny how you have a donation drive, sell out, then buy a new house all in the same time frame ;3

  allred

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You didn't sell FA, you sold all of our art to a private company. So essentially you sold the furry community as a whole. Nice

  cyan-blacky-kali

#link     Posted: a year ago

  That means our stuff is our stuff.... And what is with that shit about "pay-per-view"
The only thing I read is utter shit about all that...

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  : )

Come retreat to deviantART Blacky.

  cyan-blacky-kali

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Har... Funny... Or I leave completly... When it's true and everything turns into a huge pile of shit... Goodbye then.

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oy vey they bought the furry art website...

  cyan-blacky-kali

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well, nobody's gonna miss me, so I'm fine with that, but we see how it will work.

  lycanthris

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm particularly troubled about this line:

"IMVU reserves the right to redistribute content that has been uploaded to FurAffinity as agreed upon in page 9 of the terms of sale."


I don't like the bit about 'reserves the right to redistribute content'... I don't want my content being posted elsewhere. It's stuff I paid for, or created. I and the artists should be the ones who decide when and where it gets posted.

May be time to nuke my gallery here.

  d1sease

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This also troubles me. :\ Debating on if I really need to close shop here or what.

  lotix

#link     Posted: a year ago

  WTF, they seriously did that???

So many artists will be screwed too...

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He did post some clarification on this in the post at the top (though I'm still personally a bit cautious about all this).

  lycanthris

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm curious to see the exact wording, and where exactly it originated. I found the quote in a friend's journal, and it was apparently from a discussion going on in Twitter or someplace else about this.

If that is, in fact, the exact wording, it's disturbing, because despite whatever other assurances are given, the legally applicable truth is that it grants IMVU broad rights to the content created by, paid for, and then uploaded by users of FA.

They can say "We have no intention of doing that," all they want, but if that's the case, then why is it worded with such a broad concession of rights by the user? If it's only meant to be used for extremely limited purposes, then those few purposes should be explicitly delineated and explained to avoid an ambiguity or over-reach.

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Pretty much. I'd like to be optimistic this might lead to some changes, but there's still no real way of knowing where things will go from here.

  lycanthris

#link     Posted: a year ago

  As someone who has been fucked-over repeatedly by fine-print and legalese in his lifetime, I find the quoted wording very worrisome.

Assurances mean nothing, legally. They can be revoked and reneged upon at any time.

  myoti

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeaaah sounds about right.

  lonewolf323

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ive had my imvu account temp banned for stupid shit of little kids being complete fucktards. Do you really think that teaming with a bs site like that can lead to any good what so ever?

heck. imvu had made trigger music go from full length songs to 30 seconds. Screwed the shit out of all their community and didnt give one fuck about all the music people have bought that way. Seeing in that. This is just going to be bad.....

  d1sease

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Trigger songs. >_> Those always drove me up the wall.. only because people would spam them in my chats all the time. ;~;

  ryniablackfoxinesory

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i will believe your little update when i see proof. I dont trust IMVU i dont like IMVU. show me actual written proof between FA and IMVU. I want to see the actual agreement not what you are typing here since you can type anything in a journal.

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  ryniablackfoxinesory

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I dont trust IMVU nor the admins of FA so until i see actual legal documentation proving otherwise they can both fuck off. lets just say my activity will plummet until they have done something to earn some kind of trust. I also hate how they kept us in the dark the entire time they were thinking of selling and for 3 months after selling. looks sketchy to me.

  november

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://twitter.com/IMVU/status/578623205146951680

  ryniablackfoxinesory

#link     Posted: a year ago

  yeah not many of the responses are positive but that's what you get when a shitty service buys another shitty service.

  fallenpoet

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Kinda like a zombie hoard knocking on your door wanting in, see a lot of deep wounds here now.

Have no idea what to expect, not really much of an active contributor, mostly here to support my friends. From what I gather from the comments this may end badly, for all parties involved; the world will hold the last say in the matter, a company would be more likely to preserve its corporate and public image.
I'll hold you've got a back-up in case things go to pot and the site gets wiped, but for now I'll wait and see how far down the chute this dynamite stick would go before it blows the foundations of this site to dust.

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  shadowmeere

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wow, what the fuck, seriously?

  dovahkiin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Seen this coming long ago.

  grafsburg

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFWXpYJKaI

  ocathain~art

#link     Posted: a year ago

  People are freaking out about this? why? maybe IMVU will fix everything broken here XD

  filou

#link     Posted: a year ago

  My thoughts on this are probably because IMVU is apparently going to be entitled to use screenshots of peoples artwork in ads and modify their art, even without asking, or if they put out a notice the people only have 14 days to respond before it will be used anyway, and if you deny its basically telling you to gtfo,

2. Modifications to this Agreement
[...]
2.2 - We may ask you to review and explicitly agree to a revised version of these terms. In this case, any modifications will be effective at the time of your agreement. If you do not agree, then you are not permitted to use our services and must discontinue using them immediately. In circumstances where you are not asked to explicitly agree, but are instead notified as stated above via site announcement, then the modifications will become effective fourteen (14) days after being announced.

  lotix

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Might as well have partnered with Furcadia, at least you guys share a lot of the same financial inconsistencies and broken shitty software/hardware.

This makes me really worried as an artist here....

  saadow

#link     Posted: a year ago

  At the risk of sounding perhaps ignorant, this sounds like it is a great move for the administration of FA--being that they've sold/been acquired by a larger entity--and terrible for a portion of the user base. I best put my ear to the ground, figure out where those that do work I'm interested in are going, and then prepare to close up shop in the event the new administration is not going to support my interests here. I'm sure that's not a big deal, I'm not a paying customer, but I'm not interested in being sold on IMVU's product, I've never been impressed with it and I don't feel I'll suddenly have reason to be.

Sincerely, thank you for your service and I appreciate the environment you've supplied for all of us, and I respect your need to do business and continue business however is most sensible. Hopefully we both fit in each others' futures, but I'll make sure not to let the door hit my backside on the way out if that's not the case.

  ocathain~art

#link     Posted: a year ago

  you sure, have made a very intelligent comment ._.

I agree with this!

  sadeymayfire

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The sheer amount of question dodging, repetitive run arounds, and lack of transparency from the mods and dragoneer so far is extremely aggrivating.

  ukent

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU was godawful when I used it like 7 years ago. I'm surprised to hear it even exists still. Not sure how to feel about this little acquisition here, I remember all the shenanigans people would get up to around there.

  shadowfur

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is where FA is no longer a side project and is now a real business, Time to start paying staff and taxes.

  ladonumia

#link     Posted: a year ago

  haha <3

  dragondoomlord

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You forgot neer has a large sum of taxes piled on his back from a while due to FA! So they only need to pay staff now... PFFFFFFFFFFFT AHAAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA

  crdb5066

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Might as well be bought by GAIA. Holy shit lol what a train-wreck.

If IMVU actually makes FA better then great, but I have a feeling IMVU is just going to go ahead and ban a bunch of "undesirable" art and kill everything like FA did with cub art.

I give it 2 months.

  shadoweon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I used to use IMVU but left it a few years ago,but they changed over time. It always had a commercial element but by the time I left it had way more paid/commercial content.

The website is fine and all but is more for anime fans and such,the furry community there was much smaller than Second Life. Wouldn't it make more send to have Second Life own FA if you're going that route?

The markets are not quite the same and what if IMVU decides FA is no longer profitable? They may try to shut the site down. I don't really understand why you have a website go from individually owned to company owned also.

IMVU is a fairly large company but not one thats been shown to be really community driven. I really hope this isn't going to end badly. Also IMVU has kind of lost popularity over time? It was much more popular in 2006-2008ish.

  furmillionaire

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If you knew two months ago you were selling the site, why the fuck were you still asking for our money like a month ago? I don't know who will turn out to be a worse owner, IMVU or Dragoneer.

  yukonsilvermoon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Thiiiiis is not good.

  luxowolf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well i dont know what to say, i hope imvu does not change too much on furaffinity

Iam a bit worried

  ionosphere-negate

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What the actual fuck.
EDIT: This is most likely going to end up being a nightmare for both staff and community.

To the staff: I'd get the fuck out of this as fast and as well-padded financially as you can.

  yoyobuae

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/31/fa.....ure-of-social/

Brett G. Durrett, CEO of IMVU: "Another problem with the push for realism is the individual need for self-expression, which requires avatar customization beyond what most companies can deliver and often beyond reality (an animal, vegetable or dog toy)".

Heh, starts to make a bit of sense now.

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Brett Durett
Chief Executive Officer
Source: http://www.imvu.com/about/

-Here is an article he wrote about how he wants virtual reality to continue improving so that it, "being a solitary experience" , becomes popular.
-This is his LinkedIn profile that shows the companies he's worked for if anyone wants to take a look into their background.
-“We monetized through highly retained, long-term users,” said Brett Durrett (pictured), chief executive of IMVU, in an exclusive interview with GamesBeat.
-Another blog post Brett wrote expressing more of his opinions.

  ragehound

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The fact that FA is getting support from a company like IMVU is awesome. That's got to feel fucking awesome.

...Although.


Would be reallllly nice to get a full press release from IMVU stating that FA will be run by FA with IMVU support....just for our peace of collective mind...

  starrik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  No. IMVU owns FA.
There is no Support.
They OWN FA.

This is horrible since IMVU has a strict NO ADULT CONTENT, which FA artists run off of, sadly.

Or rather IMVU requires you to BUY an adult pass, which doesn't even unlock true adult content, just "mature" clothing like corsets.

So no, it's not awesome.

  wakboth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU owns FA.
FA is not IMVU.

Disney owns Marvel.
Marvel is not Disney.

Same principle, I bet.

  starrik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hopefully this is true.

  thera

#link     Posted: a year ago

  In January 2015, IMVU aquired FurAffinity, a furry fandom art gallery. According to the aquired site, this aquisition was "the natural and reasonable conclusion to bring these similar and often already connected communities together officially."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMVU

  starrik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You just threw this community to a pack of ravenous wolves, WILLINGLY.
Thanks for single handedly DESTROYING what we, AS A COMMUNITY, have built here.

You did this for money and nothing else because, lets face it, I left IMVU is the dust over 5 years ago and I still never went back.
It's a shitty program and an even shitter 3D simulator.

So, was my favourite quote states:

"Shit.....there going the neighborhood."

Thank you. *slow claps*

  norsepaw-studio

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Is it first day of April today???

  pandactyl

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh my god. You are literally the dumbest creature I have ever seen.

Yo I just came here to read Scoopicus' comments doe. So that part doesn't surprise me.

  lunaselene

#link     Posted: a year ago

  As someone who uses both of those heavily , the first thing that popped into my head was how terrible IMVU;s customer service is.
IMVU does not care anything about the customers, and they NEVER listen to them except maybe ONCE in the six years I've been there. legit.
And to know they now have a hand on FA? Good lord. They can barely even update their own crap , and when they do , it's TERRIBLE additions NO ONE ever asked for but claims everyone did.
They're greedy.

I'm also sick and tired of hearing SL is better comments - A lot of people can't even run SL , me included , and it's annoying as hell when no one asked what you think is better. :l

  starrik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I don't see how you can't run SL. and you can run IMVU.

I've read the requirements and IMVU is more processor heavy.

Also, SL is better.
You don't have to be a license to unlock certain content.
You can move around AT WILL, without having to rely on poseballs,
The furry avatars look WAY better as well. :/

  lunaselene

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I just can't. I've tried. It's too heavy or something.
IMVU refuses to do certain things SL people are used to because it wouldn't be as easy to run for people then.
And personally, I don't like a lot of avatars in SL. They look creepy as hell, but all of that isn't important and all just matter of opinions.

I favor IMVU over SL , but IMVU as a partner is terrible choice. IMVU is all about greed , and for anyone who believes they're just gonna 'update' the FA system or whatever bullshit excuse is given out of the kindness of their heart is blind. ~_~
And that's where my problem lies.

  starrik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I use to use IMVU....but I find the lack of interest to move forward in their mesh models horrifying.
Granted it's a style, but come on, Kemono style makes furries look like Nekos.

  lunaselene

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Again , looks of avatars are JUST opinions and opinions that aren't even related to this topic.
IMVU has improved each year of their avis , new meshes are added constantly for developers to derive from for unique designs, not to mention the fact there's plenty of scalers that's very cheap that helps you even further customize to your liking.

But like I said, debating what avatars people favor is not only endless , but not needed. This is not what this topic it's about. No one's going to be forced to use IMVU's client if they don't want to.
The only concern is how terrible their customer support is and how damn greedy they are.
I don't think anything uploaded here will be effected (So that's not an issue either , really) , but i do wonder what will be implemented that will have a price tag added to it. ~_~ Anything that makes their pockets bigger , they're usually all over it.

  starrik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I agree with you completely.

I want to see how things pan out.

  damienmithuth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Not even going to address the controversial topic on SL Vs. IMVU since that isn't even the topic of discussion here.

I have been an IMVU user for years. I have never had a single positive outcome that I can tell a story about when it comes to customer service. I would never leave IMVU, but I can say that it gets frustrating because -Fact- IMVU puts customer needs, input, feedback, etc on the backburner, if your problem is resolved at all.
If you are an IMVU community member, you will know that this is truth.
Report for an inappropriate display picture? 9/10 times, it will be removed and you receive a warning without the content even being viewed.
Harassment issues are rarely addressed, the blocking system is useless.
There is confusion on whether of not they actually WANT adults to BE adults there, since they cater more to pulling in new business rather than keeping the loyal users who they have had for years.
But yet, I enjoy the site as I said. These are faults that either you accept, or you just stop using it, like anything else.
But it's a factor of importance to understand how a businesses customer support really works when a situation like this happens, because you never really know in the long run how this merging will really work out.


  karaken

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So FA being ran by IMVU that basically runs like FA staff?

;P

  lunaselene

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Personally, I've never encountered problems with FA staff OxO
but many with IMVU. :l


  ocathain~art

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Um...did you try Firestorm? that is a Viewer for SL :|

  lunaselene

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nope , and I don't really care to.

  ocathain~art

#link     Posted: a year ago

  eh than don't say it doesn't work if you didn't try Firestorm, at least with SL you don't have to pay to access content, and you can move around with Controls rather than clicking or static.

  lunaselene

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I can say it doesn't work if it didn't work out O-o
I shouldn't have to use added things for a program to run smooth enough to even make it work, it should be like that on default.
And yeah, IMVU users have the option to buy things for more content , but overall the expenses are cheaper so it doesn't really matter to me.

And like I said, this isn't a debate on which people think is best , and that's all people are bitching about. ~_~


  damienmithuth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I had horrid net service for more time than I care to say, but during that time I could run IMVU, and not SL. Constant crashes, loading 'eggs', I personally found it to be too confusing to even care to figure out when I DI load, but that's my opinion. It is a fact though, that people have different programs that they can run more smoothly than others.
Even though this is way off topic to begin with.

  ocathain~art

#link     Posted: a year ago

  yeah it is back to the whole talking about the bandwagon of people leaping off the already submerged FA ship XD

  sniparkitty

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ...

IMVU + FA + (due to the graphic nature of this content, we have changed this additive to... ) Michael Vick= MAJOR ABOMINATION TO SOCIETY



OH DEAR GOD, THE IMVU FAGS ARE COMING!!!

Mom, pack ya bags! We're gonna get you on a plane and go to Florida!

  starrik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Hey. Yes. Please come here to Florida!
We'll keep the IMVU abominations out.


You know, border patrol and all. :V

  negawolfie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I laughed so damn hard

  taoaliah

#link     Posted: a year ago

  there goes the furry neighborhood. >:C

  farx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I'm the tool of the Govfurnment
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I'm the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I'm the yiff oozin' out
From your internet

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help . . . no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

That's right, folks
Don't touch that URL...

  wishn

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If it will help the site, and IMVU does no have any access to user's info then I have no real complaint.

  michichael

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The question then is "What does IMVU get out of this?"

Nothing is free.

  wishn

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I understand this especially knowing now who and what IMVU is; not just some little group they are a large website of it own as I understand. So maybe advertisement and more of an audience/traffic? (Just my thoughts on it so far) Maybe they feel with how big their furry community is on their website they will gather more once in partner with another equally if not larger furry community?

  mewtwolover

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Advertisement, ad space and a lot of user data they can sell to advertisers. Since Second Life has practically superceded IMVU, I see this as their desperate try to survive but it wont help, IMVU will die like Myspace died when Facebook came and conquered the market. And when IMVU dies, FA likely dies as well unless someone buy it from them.

  terwin94

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So when is the mass migration to Weasyl and Inkbunny?

  skyesby

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Does anyone else hear that noise? Like people driving nails into a wooden box the approximate size and shape of a chubby dragon, or a website?

Anyone?

Just me?

Weird.

  sniparkitty

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Man... Fuck this! I'll make my own Furry Friendly website/organization! With... Blackjack! And hookers!



You know what, screw the hookers! I'll just make my own production company!

  sebastianriggs

#link     Posted: a year ago

  They gave you a way out, and you took the money and ran?

GG

*grabs a beer and waits for the fire to begin*

Dis' gonna be good.

  reivagan

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnG_uLDi7IU ;)

  demonkam

#link     Posted: a year ago

  1)Congrats at tossing all that talk about transparency and being open out the window of the 15th floor of a building.
Being transparent, this decision would have been told/announced as soon as possible, not a few months later.
2)Aside from, why on earth is Neer trying to reassure and generally say "nothing will change"? You can't say that since you signed over the rights. You can't really dictate what will or won't change. You have a say in it but you aren't the final voice anymore.


3)Anyone know if there's a mobile ad block?



Tl;dr of this whole journal
Neer sold rights to IMVU, a pretty much 2nd rate of Second Life that doesn't even have poseable player models, back in January. Of course we're only hearing about it now because transparency. Most comments are users face palming at this decision, asking questions, pointing out how badly this may (and probably will) end badly given some notable distinctions between FA's rules and IMVU's along with some other things.
Also dildos.

  xial

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well, this just got interesting.

Time will tell if it's pointless for me to keep maintaining my personal stylesheet for this site.

  ravewolfromel

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I remember second life like 5 years ago, for those of you who knew who I was on there, you will remember how bad I was in GYC and IYC, hehe I can only hope IMVU get as hot as SL was, I miss that so much!

  sinser115

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh boy, here come the ads.

  crazyzombie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  idk going by this: "Going forward, FA will continue to operate independently but with IMVU’s support and resources to upgrade our services."

It sounds to me more like FA is just gonna continue doing what its doing, but use IMVU's money to do it instead xD In which case I say, well done FA.
Honestly the only changes that I could possibly think that would piss me off is if they fuck with the advertising... The last thing I wanna see is more "targeted advertisment" by major companies that would stomp out the user-focused, made, and run ads.

  blakeraven

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm deeply disappointed in this change.

IMVU has proven to be a terrible company. They don't care about their customer's safety (their partner offers are often full of viruses, and they're partnered with Conduit, well known malware.) They police 18+ content despite it being 18+ content, yet sell access to it anyways. They often ban users for no apparent reason, and they consistently bite the hand that feeds them (creators) by raising fees and restrictions for creating content that they make money off of.
They perform "experiments" in which they raise or lower prices for individual users without their consent.

IMVU is a sinking ship that people abandon constantly.

Even if IMVU changes nothing about FA, it's one of the worst companies to partner with. Gaia would be a better partner, even.

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  aquacoon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm not really comfortable with this news at all. I'll avoid freaking out until it's absolutely necessary, but I just get the feeling it's not far off.

  aerak

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I am very interested to see how this turns out, given that it looks like a majority of the community, who has bothered commenting, is against it.

I do not know the history of IMVU. It's never been of interest to me at all, and it's never been relevant in my representation of the Minnesota area of this fandom. So keep that in mind here that I am an observer and what I say is more of an analytical nature.

I hear the talk of lots of ad spamming and being very "non adult", but whether or not that part of the business model transfers to FA remains to be seen. Certainly making the website, "pay to view" for adult artwork would kill the site entirely since FA is not a monopoly on adult artwork and many other "free" choices are available.

I do feel like homework hasn't been duly given, and perhaps some of this widespread negativity to IMVU should have been considered. Certainly there are many who like IMVU but the fact that so many in this fandom have strong feelings against it should point towards this being a bad business decision on both parties. This is a polarizing issue and risks the stability and viability of the Fur Affinity website and any positive (dare I say) brand recognition.

In short, if I was FA or IMVU, I would be very concerned right now and hoping this is just another example of, "give it a few days and it will blow over".

  rusheloc

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Fucking finally

  kimpze

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lol imvu, why not second life?

  chris388

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Where to start. Dragoneers lack of a satisfactory answer to the question what imvu gains by financing FA is most unsettling. Believeing that nothing will change is, flat out, stupid. Its very likely everything is going to shit from here on.
The vibe i get from IMVU is that theyre all about the dosh, which means they wont hesitate to shut the site down when they wont get their desired results. And if that happens i can only hope all the artists out there have their pictures backed up and are ready to migrate to a new site.

I will not judge neer for what hes done (after all, i cant tell why he did it. Who can objectively?). But what i am judging him for is who he sold it to. Shit man, you cant talk about a huge furry community on their side when 99% of the furrys here ask what imvu even is. Lets face it, very few people here know it and even less (if any) like it.

Selling the site to cover the bills might look good on paper, but did He have to choose the first one coming his way? Couldnt he look for a better buyer?

FA has always been flawed, and a bit behind the times, but i still prefer it to the superior alternatives, simply because of how many people use it. Itd be a heavy strike against the fandom to see this page die, no doubt the community would split up.

I was always ready for some stupid or terrible stuff to happen on FA. But seeing this page being sold out like that? My body was not ready for this. Worst case scenario, no porn allowed. And im not the only one knowing that fa would survive without porn as long as a fish would without water.

Those are my 5 cents to this entire affair.

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I wonder if someone could buy FA back from IMVU if shit went down and they wanted rid of FA?

  chris388

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If they wanted to get rid of it im sure Someone could. But who would do it?

  mikune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  someone with a dream xD


  wakboth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Christ, the amount of whinging I see here...

Yes, this is a big change. It's got potential to hurt FA. But it also has potential to help the site in a very big way. The main problem with FA has been, for many years now, that the site is too big to be run in the current semi-volunteer fashion. FA needs major overhauls to bring it up-to-date, and we've seen those overhauls weren't going to happen the way the site existed and was run. Now, that might actually happen.

On the panic about IMVU owning your submissions... no, they don't and won't. It's standard boilerplate you see in the terms of use for every single site for uploading your content, dA included.

On the panic about IMVU shutting down the porn... no, they almost certainly won't. FA is now owned by IMVU, it's not IMVU itself.

Overall: stop panicking. People are assuming the worst all over the place, with no evidence whatsoever that their doomsday scenarios are likely or even possible. Let's wait a bit and see what's going on. Considering that IMVU has, apparently, been involved since January, and the sky has not yet fallen, I doubt it will fall at all.

  aerak

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This isn't an issue of slapping folks on FA for being "whiny". It's an issue of public relations. And that's not the fault of FA users and entirely the fault of the staff of both organizations.

  aquingator

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think IMVU has an adults only area to. I agree this could help FA, but you know furries crave drama and this was an excuse.

  wakboth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh, I know. And this is the juiciest chunk of drama in a while!

The most amusing thing is that IMVU has been involved for a couple of months now, and nobody has noticed anything, yet now that people are aware of it, it's INEVITABLE DOOM RIGHT NOW NOW NOW!

  reinafennec

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FA Drama is like clockwork, it always crops up this time of year, too. TIME TO HARVEST THE TEARS.

  aquingator

#link     Posted: a year ago

  XDDD End of the world as we know it! At least the furry one jk.

  featheredragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Intereresting...

I'll be watching this development carefully. As always, the devil's in the details.

Hopefully, things will go well.

  behemuffin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Does that mean I don't get to call you Guvneer anymore? :c

  meade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I understand that we as a community do not own the website, however I feel that some kind of vote or asking the community if they would support a move like this would've been prudent. Because personally I am scratching my head right now, I don't know much about IMVU except the few times I've stumbled across their website. From what I've been able to tell of what they offer it makes me scratch my head and go "why the hell did this happen, what does FA and IMVU have in common?".

It feels like the wrong match if anything and a hasty choice and from what I can tell this is not going down well with the community. Again, I think a vote or probing the community of FA would've been the first course of action here, not just suddenly releasing a statement going "oh hey, we sold out to these guys several months ago without you knowing about it".

I don't know, I hope that this might actually help things, that the website gets updated, better maintenence, better support. Though at the same time I'm kind of dreading what might happen.

Those are my two cents anyhow.

  galaxz

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I agree. So Much.

  rhilowood

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDdG5xL9CS0

  arcdam

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I see FA remains about as transparent as a black hole.

  ghostmeats

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ^ This

  chaossal

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://www.bartcop.com/titanic-final-moments.jpg

  galaxz

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This.....is the most disappointing journal i have ever read. i used to use imvu. BAD. CHOICE. You should have joined with Second Life.
How many people on here even USE imvu? I mean seriously? IMVU!?

Lets have a few moments to hang our heads as all our "Mature" or "adult" art is deleted by imvu and reduced to nothing but General Audience.

Where was our vote?

  galaxz

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I mean, sure, i understand where you are coming from....and sure our art is safe and all, but you may have been able to do better than IMVU. just saying. Many things might change now, whether you want them to or not.

  maskedpuppy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why are you assuming SL was looking to buy? You're making a lot of baseless assumptions here. I think the buyout was to improve the IMVU experience to compete with SL in time - the added community interest and dedicated advertisement space will help them gain the money they need to improve game structure and change their policies to keep with the times.

  woofgang

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Welp i'm tired of this, I'm out. FA had a long run but it's about time it just crashed and burned already.

So long and thanks for some of the porn.

  ghostmeats

#link     Posted: a year ago

  From what I've been able to understand, basically FA is now under the control of IMVU, an online site where fat furs with large dongs hang out and pretend to be carrying on a conversation.
This could only go in a really bad business direction.
If anyone thinks that IMVU isn't going to impose its will here, I don't see that happening.
After all, a merger is where two companies join each other due to many different things.
So why in the world are we joining IMVU?
It's a garbage site.

  reivagan

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ian Malcom observes...
http://imgur.com/rRkmaWc

  mr.spycrabs

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You know, reading this journal, and then reading the comments, reminds me of a train constantly being derailed and flung back onto it's tracks. Over and over, left and right, sometimes it jumps. But the train some how keeps going. Forever lost in a never ending journey.

  mariak

#link     Posted: a year ago

  The way I see it is this:

I've never heard of IMVU. I just post drunken snippets of writing on here (have for years) and all of a sudden an announcement tells me there's an ownership shift.

If you've ever played 'Echo the Dolphin' it's a perfect example. Something doesn't feel right in the sea. Something has changed. The ocean seems the same when the game begins but there's a spookiness, a looming alien presence with uncertain consequences.

Granted, myriad comments have probably influenced my opinion (I'm wasted too) but I'd like to think I'm sharp enough to cut through some of the bs even so. Societies and business mergers in general are shrines to that old coin-counting demon we call capitalism, rely on constant expansion and growth, so the question everyone should really be asking relates to profitability.

Is FA profitable enough in its current state? Does it have enough strength in the eyes of its new owner to grant expected revenues after the initial cost of acquisition or not?

If not, brace yourselves. If yes, this is all Chicken Little.

I don't have the facts. I know the facts of life pretty well though. It would be self defeating of the new 'overlords' as some of you call them to fundamentally alter this site because then most of us would hate it and leave, yet I won't discount a subtle campaign over time that attempts to turn the place into a satellite of a world most of us don't know (or want to know).

As always the future is uncertain.

  wolf-of-samhain

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is probably a bad move.

IMVU is pretty dumb to begin with and Second Life is 1000x better in so many ways. The fur community makes up a large percentage of Second Life users but not near as much as in IMVU (because less people use IMVU in general ((and for good resons)) ). SL will be releasing a new viewer later this year with even more features and abilities one of which including the support of the Oculus Rift.

There are plenty of artists on FA that upload content geared for SL such as new avatars and apparel. How is IMVU going to feel about this?

Either way, though SL would make a better fit for FA but I'm not sure I'd want them joining each other either. Sure there is an overlap but it's one small chunk out of a giant mammoth. SL and FA should not merge for this reason alone and yet it has been sold to a less successful competitor with a lower amount of account holders that identify themselves as furries.

This is the only site my ADBlocker is turned off for. I'm sure that will change when we start getting swapped with ads from a company that has and will continue to have less and less supporters of its services. Once SL2 comes out, IMVU will be pretty barren. I didn't think people were talking about it even now.

What's going to happen when IMVU is dead in the water?

If FA was sold to O'Reilly's Auto Parts we wouldn't have to worry about this but they might want us to change our oil with them more. Still, there's little in common with FA and O'Reilly's but you could argue that there are a handful of furries that work for O'Reilly's just as there are a handful of furries that use IMVU. At least O'Reilly's would be more financially secure and straight forward.

  zedrmedic

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpMXs58L5x4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aegP8j5al0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnSzrZcIxdU

  recoyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

  WELL FUCK! There goes the Neighborhood.

  mako67

#link     Posted: a year ago

  -puts down the paper like Brak's dad- that's what we said about the bronys and every other group we pushed aside as not true FA furs. Yet here we are, still on this site, Even after we had Cthulu on our lawn telling us our glass of water was on his side, it was still our glass of water, and do you know what happened to cthulu? HE'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU WITH HIS TENTACLES.

  recoyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FUCK, *throws Nekos at him*

  mako67

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ah-ha I knew you didn't do your homework, now you're brony mother and I will go out for fish tacos, and you will go to your room and finish your homework.

  recoyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nekos is all Acme had to order.

  maimukai

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Both imvu and SL have their good and bad qualities. Though personally I've noticed that both the furry communities on each program do not like change, they do not like dealing with noobies and are rather stuck up and have poor attitudes towards anyone new unless you were able to learn how to use the program and get yourself some gear. Both require that you spend your hard earned cash to buy in program currency to waste on outfits you like. Both have a system where the program currency earned partially goes to the program and the creator of items, which they can convert in program currency back to money. And if you want to furthur support creators in either program, some have sites you can buy specific items from or buy their currency to be transferred into your account on either program...

For people who don't care about moving around, but just like simple animations and talking, imvu is fine. You still have all the customization options of what your avatar should wear. Imvu used to allow the use of adult material such as always erect genitalia and so on so forth, due to its user base at the time, it was removed. It still has some adult content where as you can equip yourself but the program is not advertised towards over sexual people. And is seen more as just a hang out.

Second Life, for people who like to mod things and love their more indepth customization options. To resize all proportions of their avatars and really like to use 3D software. Then yes, if you like that sort of thing then this is the right program to use, its furry community is no different then imvu's. People say it looks better, for people who like movement and flow in their chat programs, sure. Doesn't make it better.

So...either way, you have to spend money to use either of these programs the way you want too. And depending on where you live, neither option is cheap.

Dragoneer went with what he thought would be a better partner, should he have asked the community hear which they would have preffered, maybe, but it would still be the same bs that is going on in this thread/journal right now. Does it matter at this point..nope...So as far as that goes, everyone is welcome to their opinion and to express as such. This is my 2 cents, since no one so far can explain either program.

  kalak

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Actually ive been trying to find where it was said that Linden Labs put in an offer to buyout FA.

  renamonfox2

#link     Posted: a year ago

  is every thing going to stay the same


  oneandonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Think about this:
they are a company who has to make profit goals or will fail in the stock market. They gave FA a shit load of hardware and even software support, and neither of those are free. They have a reason to be doing this, something is going to change.

  vikushu

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You guys are over reacting.

If they supposedly had the site for 2 months, why is the only thing I've noticed a crazy ad at the bottom of the page?

  oneandonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why the fuck you say supposedly, neer already said it was true...

Also, they probably aren't going to change everything at once. You haven't noticed any changes this year, like the notes changes and editable comments either?

  vikushu

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wasn't that a change for the better?

  oneandonly

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm sure there will be a few positive change here and there, but I'm pretty sure something big is still going to happen, and it probably won't be positive.

  taerod

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I side with you on this, nothing good can come from corporate interest in a creative expression hub like FA.

Despite quite a few people outright leaving FA and all the drama I stuck with it because it was easy to use and doesn't swamp me with ads and millions of poorly coded sidebars and boxes. Though with all the really annoying ads I've seen for IMVU the move to something like Inkbunny or Sofurry are starting to look appealing, it's getting kind of annoying whenever something happens and half the people I watch decide to wipe their art and leave. >= Y

  smaug

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Because furries. That's why.

  dracoba

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I honestly find disrespectful towards the entire community that:

1) You don't address DIRECTLY and CLEARLY about intellectual property, there are a lot of people here concerned about this topic and hardly any answer about it. Please put it in red and in bold letters, edit this journal, etc etc.

2) Having this deal on the table for 2 months without saying anything. (Maybe even more if we consider the fact there had to be some sort of prior negotiation.)

3) you didn't Address the plain obvious concerns about donations... why are we not presented with some sort of proof that you actually used that money to purchase hardware? I don't know... you are saying oh yes this was expensive and also some hardware coming over... but you never stated about how much and for what was invested on (models of hardware pieces, receipts and tickets of payments done, etc etc). Why am I saying this now? Because you sold your business and made us donate its about LOYALTY to your community and making us understand.

Dragoneer by hiding information or being vague in the way you release information you just help the missinformation circles and people to prey and eat out of that. Yes people is gonna blame you for everything, but that doesn't mean you have to announce something this important like this.

I know maybe not much is going to change and if it does I hope its for best but thanks to the way you release something this big with all this tiny and scattered bits of information just made me feel lost and sceptical about all this.

And even though I know you WON't show it... I would love to see a copy of the contract/agreement both parts signed, that way we can learn how much did Ferrox Art LLC received in exchange for FA.

At the end I guess "its just good bussines"



  taerod

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You know, I vaguely recall picking this picture up the last time FA was down for like a week or 2 from ddos attacks. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u.....63098055_n.jpg

  marcan

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What kind of interest does IMVU have in buying FurAffinity? Money buys things for purpose, what will change? Who gets the profit and how?

  christykitsune

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://twitter.com/panderp/status/.....47385976500224

  arcturax

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah I was just reading on there how this is about to descend in to lolsuit territory.

  tainin

#link     Posted: a year ago

  As long as they don't make FA a general-rating-only site unless we pay money to keep our adult-viewing priveleges :/

  sokatak

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Maybe FA won't be the most poorly designed furry site anymore.

  siberiandante

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This... I joined in late 2007 (with another account) and FA has pretty much always looked the same.

  xxmrmittens

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Honestly, I've seen so many bad decisions made for this site, it doesn't get a reaction out of me.
I'll only flip shit if they make it a requirement to own an IMVU account and merge it with your FA, or if they start implementing subscription services and bother users to no end about signing up for one.

Still, nice transparency though. Didn't even think to give your users a heads up, 'Hey IMVU is interested in buying FurAffinity and we are seriously considering their offer'? Good to see you still care.

  colada

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ahaha I guess they paid off Dragoneer's back taxes too? What a joke

  kintomythostian

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Q: What the hell is Imvu?

  trbb

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A miserable pile of secrets.

  aquingator

#link     Posted: a year ago

  great freakin game.

  skippyfoxcub

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "the only difference you will notice is a better, smoother experience"

Literally the only change to my 'experience' in the past couple of months is the unwanted disappearance of titles/authors/descriptions on gallery and submission pages viewing on my mobile device.

  starrik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Can I favourite this somewhere?
I mean shit...all they added that's "new" is the notes system and the ability to edit comments.

  aspenbear

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oh but the site has slowed down too. past few days have been slow as shit. lets not forget the loving gift of a slower site =D

  starrik

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh that lovely parting gift I receive.

Just waiting for the new BadDragon artsite to be up and live already. :/
Going to start migrating to Weasyl for the time being.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I have noticed that generally happens when big FA drama occurs. My guess is that it's all the people running the automated migration stuff that copies their watch lists, art and other stuff to other art sites.

  aspenbear

#link     Posted: a year ago

  that seems pretty legit. that might be the reason
or at least one of the reasons

  kamezdov

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I think this movement spoke of itself of how the site is doing. I have nothing else to say.

  treeweasel

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Waiting for April 2nd.

... Just in case 'Neer has some smarts left.

  foxhack

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This isn't April 1st.

Well if you wanted to kill the site... you sure as hell chose the best way to do so.

  kasirith

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've been in a couple company acquisitions. No matter what, even if they agree to something for the sale, now they own you they can change it whenever they want. They own you. Good job selling out.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > No matter what, even if they agree to something for the sale, now they own you they can change it whenever they want.

Doesn't sound like this was done correctly. Could you explain what the clauses were in the acquisition contract that handled this situation and what the agreement was if they'd violate the terms?


  fyari

#link     Posted: a year ago

  :v as long as i can keep jerkin' it to pixelated dicks, i dont care who owns FA. i like me dem' pixelated dicks.

  vitae

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm a bit torn on this.

On one hand, I understand the need for extra support in improving the site and selling to a larger company would certainly help.

On the other hand, IMVU? Really?..

So, I shall remain neutral.

  zaphael

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's all ogre! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLwipBosOs

  tiranmaster

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I get needing extra money, and I get that you had a NDA, but I feel there was a lack of transparency in this situation for all of the promises.

I still like this site, but I'll admit I'm disappointed.

  redreynart

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Who now manages FA? Who has the rights to Amend, Add, Change and remove any of the site, rules and function of the site? If FA was bought out, FA is no longer the old fa we once knew. It is IMVU using the name FA. So when FA retains it's own rules, shouldn't that be, IMVU is FA and FA retains rights which is IMVU so what ever IMVU decides with FA they are one and the same now?

Please clarify the hierarchy and agreement of purchase. This isn't a mere merger it is a buy out. or in Fa's case a sell out.

Wow fa are a bunch of sell outs. XD who knew....

  gentlemanplayer

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'll believe it when I see changes ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

  jmfmagnum

#link     Posted: a year ago

  well, it was (most of the time) fun while it lasted

  xsini

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "You sold your soul!"

  frindle

#link     Posted: a year ago

  see i would be okay with this if it weren't for the fact that this happened in JANUARY and you're just now telling people about it lmao

  sokatak

#link     Posted: a year ago

  shhhhhhh

  dastiger

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Well, it seems that most folks are pulling this when it comes to FA:

Bye, Felicia.

  zapher

#link     Posted: a year ago

  why does anyone still use this site?

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > why does anyone still use this site?

I suspect it is the following:

1) Because the 'alternatives' are not sufficient to bother migrating to.
2) Possibly the majority of FA users don't know or care about FA drama since they're still able to do business as usual.

  lillium

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why did you sell it to these shitheels, when people IN THE FANDOM have been begging to buy it from you for YEARS.

God, I hate the shit out of you.

  calebcerron

#link     Posted: a year ago

  '[P]eople IN THE FANDOM have been begging to buy it from you for YEARS.'
Wait; what?

  norsepaw-studio

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A group offered 50k$ for FA but Neer told them FA wasn't for sale.

  calebcerron

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I mean... which group?

  norsepaw-studio

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I dont remember right now, but they were furries at least.

  rockytoonz93

#link     Posted: a year ago

  What exactly is IMVU? I've seen the ads but not really sure what it is? :m

  lupustooth

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Seems this is what happens when you make donation drives and then piss away all but a small portion of the money on video game shit, and then use whatever's left on the site.

Also, what happened to Zaush being the new coder of FA2.0? I guess drawing balloon head animal chicks with small tits instead of coding really paid off.

  frindle

#link     Posted: a year ago

  >implying small tits is a bad thing
:2

  wicked1one11

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Wow is there a whole lot of speculation around this.

"OMG THEY MIGHT BAN STUFF!!!"
"OMG THEY MIGHT PUT MORE ADS!!!"
"OMG THEY MIGHT STEAL MY INFO!!!"

Y'all sound like a bunch of 'the internet is scary' soccer moms being introduced to facebook.

  noahthegoldfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  if they do fucking ban anything i will fucking kill IMVU's CEO

  will

#link     Posted: a year ago

  protip: it's probably for the best if you don't threaten to kill people (even in jest) - especially those in a position of power.

  noahthegoldfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i will not sit back and let FA be destroyed >_>

  will

#link     Posted: a year ago

  this could be a good thing! furry sites, both good and bad, are often created when there is a need for one.

remember: furaffinity came into existence when SheezyArt banned adult content back in early 2005, so if this deal does go belly up and people refuse to use FA anymore for whatever reason, there will likely be alternatives that pop up. even if these don't materialize, existing sites which are perfectly usable (albeit vastly underpopulated) will benefit from the sudden influx of users and become viable platforms for the sharing of furry content.

we'll just have to wait and see, but keep in mind that every situation has a silver lining if you look hard enough, or are desperate enough.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Nah, let's all go back to VCL.

  will

#link     Posted: a year ago

  ayyy lmao. enjoy your ghost town m8.

  negawolfie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yeah good luck with that murder charge over a porn site

  shenanigans

#link     Posted: a year ago

  How do you sleep at night with the weight of the internet on your shoulders?

  furshinku

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm surprised you haven't followed up your Zaush comic yet with more parodies of fA drama. But on the other hand I guess this comic is sufficient. http://www.furaffinity.net/view/12585735/

  scionthecoon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  FA's given me no reason not to trust them, so I'm just going to stick with them, and totally support this decision. FA is a massive site, and it's only money that it's actually making is through advertisements. And since the only ads on it are furry ads, I really can't imagine they're making that much off of them. I don't know when this donation drive was, but the deal between IMVU and FA started in December. Big sites like this cost A TON to run. I'm totally supportive of it actually having real funding now.

Play along with me here, and assume that for whatever reason, FA did really still need the money. If they had done another donation drive like that, would people just give up more money happily with a smile? It seems more like Dragoneer was stuck between asking a big company for money, or asking a community (which apparently hates him) for more money. I think he made the right call.



  sammypanther

#link     Posted: a year ago

  wow

I dnt even know what

to say about all of this

lol

  darius-drasko-hunter

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You have done a back door deal with a company and not mentioned it prior to it happening. Lies lies and lies... That is wrong and breaches trust with everyone who uses, Furaffinity.

Shame on you.

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  noahthegoldfox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  WTF >_> IMVU better not fucking mess it up or il fucking kill thier CEO. fucking furaffinity is perfect the way it is. go fucking burn in hell IMVU

  origamigryphon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A death threat over a -website- is a horrible thing to say. Please step back and reevaluate yourself and your priorities.

  rayvenredfield

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://twitter.com/panderp/status/.....47385976500224


Dis Gun B Gud! :U *sits back and noms some popcorn*

  furshinku

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I found out through Wikifur Panderp used to have an fA arcturus  arcturus but he was banned nearly four years ago for trolling and harassment. How do we know he's not just stirring shit up?

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Arcturus originally helped run the site with its original creator, but he left when he demanded that the site's creator allow him to de-admin the creator's mate at the time, and the owner said no.

He then started discussion of creating his own site, which lost nearly all the support it had when instead of building that site, he made a 'fuck artist's rights over their own work' chan board which ultimately became e621 (now under new ownership, who have added a more artist-respectful dnp list).

It's highly unlikely Arcturus has any legitimate claim to even partial ownership of FA other than maybe he bought some of the hardware they were using back in the site's first year or two. If he did, he'd have made noise about it before this.

  furshinku

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So he hasn't even really been all that active on fA for the past couple years? It's kind of odd to me after all the issues and controversies fA has been plagued with that it's only when Dragoneer hands the site over to someone else Panderp/Arcturus goes up in arms.

  furshinku

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Actually I stand corrected. I just learned Panderp was the one who started created the fA note leaks website and has complained for a long time about how the site is run. https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=16150 So he wasn't completely detached from fA until now.

  wolfblade

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He's never been completely detached from FA, even the multiple times he's been permabanned (the current one, which seems to have stuck, he received as a result of him trolling the page of a murder victim because he didn't like the guy and was happy to hear he was killed in his own home by a roommate).

But he hasn't had a hand in ownership or management of FA since the site's early days. He HAS had his hand in a great deal of the hacks/attacks against the site, though.

Regardless, yes, it's very dubious that with his long and loud history of being anti-FA, this claim of partial ownership happens when the place is sold. I dunno, it's not impossible though, maybe he has some claim to it, I guess we'll see. I really think it's just an ass-pull, though.

  violetteempire

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "1) IMVU's policies do not govern content posted/shared/sold on FA

2) IMVU does not have any rights to or will take a cut from content posted on FA

3) IMVU has not been given any user information from FA "

Then why did IMVU buy it?
How do they make money off it?

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > Then why did IMVU buy it?
Advertising.
> How do they make money off it?
Advertising.

  maluki

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Meanwhile, ISIS continues to behead children and rape women.

  mariak

#link     Posted: a year ago

  In the whole of the hurricane there is only one.

Don't ever lose your spark, whoever you are.

  bilwis

#link     Posted: a year ago

  waits for the new TOS memo.

  ryskhyrsal

#link     Posted: a year ago

  <-

  calebcerron

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Upu...

  iveryke

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Where the hell is ausfahrt?

  nitrateflux

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I can't wait to tell my grandkids I posted in this thread!

Obviously I will have to tell them over IMVU but that's fine.... Just fine

  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I've never heard of an acquisition where no changes happen and given IMVU's no adult content policies, it's hard to believe nothing will happen.

Also what about the site upgrade? Does this mean Zaush works for IMVU now? Or was he just kicked from the project and the reigns handed over to them?

Dragoneer is purposely avoiding some legitimate concerns on all the journals concerning the future of this site.

For now, I will be removing FA from my trusted sites on no script and strictly watching all scripts that go into this site.

  jroy101

#link     Posted: a year ago

  how do i do that i don't want preteen aids on my computer

  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If you have firefox, it's an addon called noscript. I'd also recommend adblocker plus. It's a little annoying at first because it will make websites basically not function, then you can look at the script list, and only allow the website itself or just say trust all from this site if you know it's a safe site.

  jroy101

#link     Posted: a year ago

  i run on a mac with safari cus i got my computer for free, will i have these probelms?

  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  You're computer is still subject to scripts, things that obtain information from your pc, ads, etc. They just don't bother making malware and viruses and such for macs as much. I personally would run no script just in case, as it's only mildly slowing down your browsing experience and only with new websites while giving you a lot more protection on top of virus software. But then again I like to be extra careful.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > I've never heard of an acquisition where no changes happen

See Dice and Slashdot.

Now you have, you're welcome!

  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Okay, 2 instances, cool? I guess.

Most of the time changes do happen with an acquisition.

My point remains valid.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > Most of the time changes do happen with an acquisition.

Apparently, you're an authority on this topic when you haven't even heard of a single instance of it happening.

> My point remains valid.

One of your points was that you never even heard of one. So, I gave you one.

  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So you're not going to be satisfied until I spam a gigantic list of acquisitions where changes did happen?

Just recently, sony online entertainment got sold and became daybreak entertainment, several people got fired the first week. Among which were the producer, lead artist and lead programmer for landmark and ever quest next, as well as several planetside 2 and EQ 2 employees, that are known so far.

Lets see, when google bought youtube, I think the changes over the years speak for themselves there.

Any time EA games buys out an IP or an entire game company major changes always happen, usually for the worse. Take what they did to the dungeon keeper franchise for example. They ripped off another mobile game, and made it's pay wall for being able to progress one of the worst that's ever been seen in gaming, even by mobile game standards.

EA games alone I can list example after example after example of companies they absorbed and made changes to who worked for them and how their future games came out and how they did things and basically are a plague on gaming. I hate BF4. :P

Another example is when quaker oats bought out snapple and it ended up being a huge failure after just 3 years and was sold for 300 million to Triarc beverages. Snapple was huge in the 90's, all it took was quaker to run it for 3 years and make it fail and have to cut their losses for a a pathetic 300 million, which corporately speaking for a major brand name, is chump change. That's a pretty drastic example of changes.

Skype was originally bought out by ebay, then was later bought by microsoft for 8.5 billion where they basically fused it with msn messenger. Skype has been getting better lately with features like multiple people viewing one screen share. But I noticed over the years the program was just getting worse and worse compared to how it used to be and for awhile I exclusively used team speak because I found skype to be laggy as hell. I can't imagine there were no layoffs during all this buying and selling either. But I can research that too since you seem so desperate to be "right" here.

If you honestly don't think that changes never happen with mergers or acquisitions, I'd have to say you're pretty damn ignorant, no offense.

I can go on all day making a huge list of examples to prove my point more and I'm pretty sure the massive list I can pull from google would outweigh your list of acquisitions where zero change was made. But I'm pretty sure at that point you'd be trolling me to waste my time.







  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > So you're not going to be satisfied until I spam a gigantic list of acquisitions where changes did happen?

Unfortunately the information you provided isn't really relevant from my perspective.

> *examples*

I noticed your examples have a common pattern, they're fortune 500 companies, they didn't declare they would not change much and little and very few of them had little to do with user generated content or user community. Perhaps the most relevant example you have is YouTube, but again, Google never declared they wouldn't modify it. IMVU does not fit any of these criteria.

Note: I didn't know Quaker Oats, so I tried to inform myself on them. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any decent documentation on the Quaker Oats matter in a short time span that identified their firm size, the companies house (Quaker Oats Ltd - company number: 64262) documentation about the merger was virtually non-existent too.

> If you honestly don't think that changes never happen with mergers or acquisitions, I'd have to say you're pretty damn ignorant, no offense.

I can point to the fact that the example I provided to you off the top of my head involved a community around FA's size, user created content and it's ownership is another SMB about the size of IMVU too while promising not to dictate significant changes to the user base without the consent of certain responsible people at the time.

> I can go on all day making a huge list of examples to prove my point more

Your examples have been pretty poor thus far, so I don't think it makes your case at all. I would argue that you are displaying your own ignorance in the matter.

> you'd be trolling me to waste my time.

I'm not interested in trolling you.


  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  *sigh*

I don't see how fortune 500 companies are not relevant here, the principle is the same, why would they put money into this if there's absolutely no way they can make a profit? To gain a user base off fa? Through ads on fa? That makes n sense. You haven't really proven my points and examples are poor, you merely stated big vs small, but didn't point out why that even matters. The point you seem to be missing is, if a company thinks they can make money, they will buy or invest. If they buy, it usually means they want control over their investment.

Also, where did IMVU say no changes were going to be made? Did you see the contract? I only saw Dragoneer say this and he could be flat out lying and leaving out many details.

Your "perspective" is nothing more than logical fallacies.

Those examples that you stated, why did they buy them out then? You're telling me they just handed these examples money and asked for nothing in return other than maybe ad space and being able to call themselves the owner? There must have been some catch.

The major inconsistency I and many others are trying to point out is without making changes, what does IMVU stand to gain? Why would a strictly none porn company suddenly want to buy a site that's largely about porn? I just doesn't make sense. Why would they want to be the owners if they trusted enough that things were running fine they way they are? None of it adds up.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > I don't see how fortune 500 companies are not relevant here

The way a fortune 500 company is ran verses a SMB is massive. It even goes down to legal issues and what shareholders expectations are (if it's a publicly traded company).

> Also, where did IMVU say no changes were going to be made?

Well you see, there is this employee for IMVU that has been telling us this stuff to begin with. I believe he joined IMVU in January 2015.

> Your "perspective" is nothing more than logical fallacies.

I don't think so, it's clear to me that you have been so far been reaching for straws to explain away your posts. I don't care too much if my opinion is invalidated and will gladly admit when it is so. However, there is nothing here that has invalidated it thus far.

> why did they buy them out then?

In reference to Dice, I believe it was the strategic fostering of existing user community to target advertising, no real interest in changing the site significantly.

> You're telling me they just handed these examples money and asked for nothing in return other than maybe ad space and being able to call themselves the owner?

Dice actually did more than that over the years, but yes, nothing further was necessary in return. The site did go through some changes, but they would have happened regardless and were expected before it was bought.

> The major inconsistency I and many others are trying to point out is without making changes, what does IMVU stand to gain?

I'm happy to admit that I don't have a clue what they think they're going to gain, I have a few positive and negative theories though at the top of my head.

> Why would a strictly none porn company suddenly want to buy a site that's largely about porn?

To my knowledge, FA is largely about being an inclusive furry community art site. I will admit, I also don't know how much of FA is porn and how much isn't. I don't believe FA:U even allows adult content really since it requires a "PG" rating in all public spaces, for a 'porn company', that doesn't make much sense, so I would argue that FA is not a porn company any more than IMVU is. They both have porn content.

> Why would they want to be the owners if they trusted enough that things were running fine they way they are?

As stated before, I came up with scenarios quickly off the top of my head. That said, I don't really care to speculate here because too many people are taking speculations as fact.


  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  At the end of the day, IMVU spent money to say they own this site. In principle, it's no different than the fortune 500 companies. How each thing is ran based on what they are and how big they are is completely irrelevant. You're not thinking business, at all.

I just don't see why they bothered "fostering" dice, you say it's a small community, how much money did they really gain from advertising? Doesn't make much sense, honestly.

You don't seem to be presenting any logical reason why IMVU would just leave things as it is, and where did you see this employee state these things supposedly? Why not conjecture if you seem to have all the answers then? Just state they're conjecture, if people take it as fact you can't be held accountable for it now can you?

You're points are completely off base, I don't even feel we're remotely on the same page and you seem to be missing the point of my concerns completely.

You seriously don't think there's that much porn or that much money made in porn on FA? REALLY? Okay fine, lets compare favorites and likes with popular artists then, those that have zero porn, and those that have a lot. You will find the porn artists always have more watches overall. They always get more faves. They always get more comments. They commission value is much higher than a none porn artist, it's stupid how much money popular porn artists make. Just look around you, how can you honestly not have noticed the amount of porn and how lucrative it is?

I'd like to know you theories, I honestly don't see what the harm could be since you like to act like you have all the answers. Enlighten me, please.

Because so far, you've giving me baseless facts and trying to dismiss everything I say based on nothing but what's honestly been your opinion and focus on things that were besides the points I've been trying to make and focusing too hard on the literal implications of my wording that were honestly irrelevant.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > I just don't see why they bothered "fostering" dice

Dice bought Slashdot.

> you say it's a small community

Actually, I said:

"I can point to the fact that the example I provided to you off the top of my head involved a community around FA's size, user created content and it's ownership is another SMB about the size of IMVU too while promising not to dictate significant changes to the user base without the consent of certain responsible people at the time."

> You don't seem to be presenting any logical reason why IMVU would just leave things as it is

My reasoning much like your reason is that other companies have done it.

> where did you see this employee state these things supposedly?

Dragoneer is an employee of IMVU, dear.

> Why not conjecture if you seem to have all the answers then?

I already stated:

"I'm happy to admit that I don't have a clue what they think they're going to gain, I have a few positive and negative theories though at the top of my head."

I also think this is an attempt to evade the point of my posts through the use of

> You're points are completely off base

No, I'm just not interested in discussing existential fallacies, divine fallacies, raising the bar, argumentum ad lapidem and even what could be an attempt at argumentum verbosium. I also find your previous uses of ad hominem to be fairly representative of how you perceive anyone who disagrees with you.

I am arguing against your use of cum hoc ergo propter hoc, where I have simply identified that there are cases where this does not happen, following identical cum hoc ergo propter hoc logic.

> I don't even feel we're remotely on the same page and you seem to be missing the point of my concerns completely.

I do apologize, I will make it clear that I wasn't particularly addressing your concerns, I was pointing out the fallacy in your argument and how that identifies that you are not all knowing in this matter. I don't believe you really know the true destiny. However, I am growing weary of this now.

> I'd like to know you theories

I am going to be frank with you. I'm not interested in moving off-topic on this particular thread, I don't want my speculation to be taken as fact and I quite frankly prefer to discuss the finer details about these things with other friends orally.

> I honestly don't see what the harm could be since you like to act like you have all the answers.

Yes, because apparently saying things like these mean I have all the answers:

"I don't think it makes"
"I don't think so"
"I'm happy to admit that I don't have a clue"
"I have a few positive and negative theories "
"I will admit, I also don't know"

> Because so far, you've giving me baseless facts

I have given sufficient information for comparison I believe.

> based on nothing but what's honestly been your opinion

Actually, I based it on your own argument by highlighting opposite data, so no, not particularly my opinion, but your own argument as well. Identifying things like a pattern is not an opinion, it is, or it isn't. Identifying companies doing certain things either are or are not. I don't believe I have misleading at all based on what is a belief, what is a fact what is an opinion/thought etc. If you feel that your points are weak against opinions, you might want to validate them.

> I've been trying to make and focusing too hard on the literal implications of my wording that were honestly irrelevant.

I would beg to differ, this is a text environment the "literal implications" of your wording are all that matter here. It is quite simply the only reasonable way to convey meaning, information and so on.

  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm just going to say this.

I never claimed to know all the answers and we're just going in a pointless circle.

My concern is there's no concrete answer and tbh, Dragoneer is not a good enough, because he has every reason to lie to us and with hold information, you're just putting too much faith in Dragoneer and what you've seen from other examples.

You failed to show relevance to anything that I was talking about and openly admitted you didn't even try and you're admitting that you're just splitting hairs and basically ignoring my concerns, so this has just been you trying to dismiss me, nothing more. It's what you've been doing in all the comments.

I conclude, you're a fanboy, and a troll that is trying to act like an intellectual using big words you looked up online.

Final conclusion. You're full of shit, you're just blindly defending this whole thing, you're a troll and I'm done talking to you.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > I never claimed to know all the answers

You did claim I did, but that was invalidated and now you're flipping your point to the opposite side. This fishing expedition you are doing to make a point is getting ridiculous.

> My concern is there's no concrete answer

"My point is invalidated, now I have a new argument", whatever mate.

> I conclude, you're a fanboy, and a troll

Again with the ad homimem unsurprisingly. If your case was clear, you wouldn't need it.

> trying to act like an intellectual

This might surprise you, but I actually knew those 'big' words (oh no, latin! Also, who wants to write up large sentences explaining things in layman terms when you can write in a few words) from high school, your poor education is your own problem. Your attempts at deflecting your poor education on to me is insulting.

> you're just blindly defending this whole thing

Blindly? Wow. The fact I am not accepting some of the ridiculous arguments people come up with and give them a chance to counter me proper must mean I am blindly defending FA.

> you're a troll

I have a different opinion from you, plus I won't go off topic allowing you to move the goal posts, therefore it couldn't possibly be true and I must be a troll.

> and I'm done talking to you.



  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKzt7p-MnM

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yet again, more red herrings.

  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/facepalm.gif



  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  A thought terminating cliché in the form of a meme won't help you either.

  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It's just literally how I feel.

You can't have the upper hand in an debate when you make zero attempt at centering your argument around what the subject the person was even fucking talking about.

Which again, you openly admitted to doing because you felt it wasn't relevant and just tried to dismiss what I said based on how I said it.

I feel the things you're focusing on here don't really matter and I don't feel at all you've debunked what I said because again, you didn't even really stay on the same topic, you're just attacking my character and education and being petty as fuck.

This whole thing as been a complete failure to communicate, hell it's practically derailment on your part, it's one of the numerous reasons I'm calling you out as a troll besides the direct and subtle insults.

I don't care what you think or say any more, and I'm not going to bother replying or even reading what you say because all you did was waste my time with pretentious bull shit.

You give one example of a take over not involving change. Okay? But how often is that the case in most examples? You can say fortune 500 doesn't count because of how each things operates, but I don't see what the hell that has to do with business logic or how the company in question, in any context, can hope to make money through web page ads. You said you have theories, but refuse to say what they are, which again is just you refusing to fucking stay on topic for bull shit reasons.

Pretty much everything else you typed, most of it had nothing to do with the subject and everything to do with you just trying to belittle me with fucking nonsense. You're just trying to analyze how I worded things, and accusing me of this and that.

I admit yeah I used the wrong wording in my first post you replied to, but I already admitted to that and felt the literal implications were outweighed by the point itself. That being, most of the time when something is bought out by a company, changes happen that they feel will secure their investment and interests. Would you buy a chair and not move or use it in any way? I really don't see how IMVU is going to come out on top financially, I believe they spent something like 20k. I some how doubt they'd get much of their investment back if with a small add in the corner that people can just adblock.

Although again, this conjecture is pointless as it was before, because you will again, refuse to address it, because if your own argument could stand on it's on fucking legs, you wouldn't need to center your argument on me and my debate method and other off topic horse shit.

Everything you're doing just screams troll tactics to me.

So unless you actually, I dunno, stay on the topic and not dance around it and act like a fucking douche and attack me, then maybe we'd actually have something to talk about, but you're just not capable of that it seems.

Prove me wrong, or keep attacking me with your pretentious bull crap and I'll proceed to abstain from this pointless, one sided conversation you're having.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > You can't have the upper hand in an debate when you make zero attempt at centering your argument around what the subject the person was even fucking talking about.

I was very clear on what I have been responding to, always quoted exactly what I was responding to. The fact you want to move the goal post or attempt to use red herrings to avoid discussing exactly what was being responded to. I'm sorry, but, I have been responding clearly to what you've mentioned.

> Which again, you openly admitted to doing because you felt it wasn't relevant and just tried to dismiss what I said based on how I said it.

No, I stated:

"I do apologize, I will make it clear that I wasn't particularly addressing your concerns, I was pointing out the fallacy in your argument and how that identifies that you are not all knowing in this matter. "

That's different from merely dismissing what you've said, in fact, I even identified a large amount of fallacies in your arguments. The main which I responded to and was the main spawn of this discussion used cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

> hell it's practically derailment on your part,

Yes, because apparently by trying to stick your original argument and debate that instead of letting you move the goal posts is a derailment.

> you're just attacking my character and education and being petty as fuck.

Excuse me, you're one who started with ad hominiem like "But I'm pretty sure at that point you'd be trolling me", you're the one who came up with "trying to act like an intellectual using big words you looked up online" instead of debating the topic. You're not happy that I refute your claims or turn them around, then maybe you shouldn't have brought them into the discussion. Don't cry foul now because you clearly didn't manage to validate those points.

> I don't care what you think or say any more, and I'm not going to bother replying or even reading what you say because all you did was waste my time with pretentious bull shit.

That's fine, xyugox. Because I am not doing this for you either, I'm doing this for everyone else. At least people can now tell your arguments are rubbish, you can't admit your arguments are simply wrong, instead you transform them or use red herrings. You react with hostility and use ad hominem when a different cause is presented.

> But how often is that the case in most examples?

You haven't even investigated, you couldn't even find one. You couldn't even be bothered to investigate the one item I gave you as evidenced by the fact you couldn't tell what Dice and Slashdot were during the discussion. Meanwhile, you can see that I investigated some of your data, I even revealed that I looked at company's house documentation and what I couldn't find. How is anyone meant to trust your data? How are you meant to trust your own data?

You have no idea what's relevant, you have no idea of even the numbers.

> You can say fortune 500 doesn't count because of how each things operates, but I don't see what the hell that has to do with business logic or how the company in question

Maybe if you spent a little time doing research by collecting data and correlating it instead of just using anecdotal experiences and declaring your poor knowledge on mergers/acquisitions as fact, you would have learned something basic in the matter.

> Pretty much everything else you typed, most of it had nothing to do with the subject and everything to do with you just trying to belittle me with fucking nonsense.

If you want to use things like ad hominem and expect me to not respond in kind to refute your statements, allowing you to discredit my character, you are greatly mistaken. These responses were initiated by your own doing. We could have argued the finer issues with your use of cum hoc ergo propter hoc in your initial argument, but as I had mentioned it, you never bothered to respond to it.

> I admit yeah I used the wrong wording in my first post you replied to

And you transformed the argument because of it a few times, which I accepted. We took away absolutes from the point.

You then brushing off the entire discussion with "I've been trying to make and focusing too hard on the literal implications of my wording that were honestly irrelevant" was ridiculous and I explained why: I would beg to differ, this is a text environment the "literal implications" of your wording are all that matter here. It is quite simply the only reasonable way to convey meaning, information and so on.

> because if your own argument could stand on it's on fucking legs, you wouldn't need to center your argument on me and my debate method and other off topic horse shit.

You want to know my argument doesn't work any more than your does? Because it's the same argument, I only based it on different data. It has the exact same cum hoc ergo propter hoc flaw yours does. The entire point was to show how stupid this particular argument was.

> Everything you're doing just screams troll tactics to me.

Yeah, says the guy who started posting video and gif responses to me. It is clear who the troll is in this discussion. The only reason you even responded with this is because you didn't get the response you wanted and needed to save face. I have no sympathy for someone that tried to drag me through the dirt.

> So unless you actually, I dunno, stay on the topic and not dance around it and act like a fucking douche and attack me, then maybe we'd actually have something to talk about, but you're just not capable of that it seems.

Any dancing around has been the result of your own ad hominem attacks against me, your own "troll" posts.

> Prove me wrong, or keep attacking me with your pretentious bull crap and I'll proceed to abstain from this pointless, one sided conversation you're having.

Considering your previous track record, it's clear I cannot have an actual civil discourse with you, without you trying to devolve it.

  xyugox

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Again, you made zero attempt to even discuss the fucking topic, you just told me to research your claims. That's like claiming something to a professor and not doing the paper work, then telling the prof to research what you're claiming on google, it's not even really a discussion at that point.

You just went right back to what you were doing before and the discussion yet again has gone nowhere. What does ANY of this have to do with a simple question.

Why does IMVU want FA? What concrete reason should we believe nothing drastic will happen? Why is Dragoneer not answering any questions with a direct answer? If at all.

He just said vaguely we have nothing to worry about, oh goody. Because he certainly wouldn't have several reasons to have a conflict of interest to lie to us.

I don't know why that's so hard for you to just discuss that. That's all I want. If you're not going to, then stop talking to me, I don't give a shit about any of your pretentious horse shit and your attacks.

I dislike you immensely, you're an affront to debate, logic and reason, and you fill me with great disgust.

I'm a little let down by myself I fell for this obvious troll bait for so long.

What a waste of time.

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > Again, you made zero attempt to even discuss the fucking topic

Of course not, because you stated the following:

"I don't care what you think or say any more, and I'm not going to bother replying or even reading what you say because all you did was waste my time with pretentious bull shit."

In my response I stated:

"That's fine, xyugox. Because I am not doing this for you either, I'm doing this for everyone else. At least people can now tell your arguments are rubbish, you can't admit your arguments are simply wrong, instead you transform them or use red herrings. You react with hostility and use ad hominem when a different cause is presented."

In summary, I am not posting any more to discuss with you. The points have been made, you have clarified you are not responding (yet you do so any way). Now you complain that I am not continuing a dialogue with you and continuing the topic you failed to address.

I don't know if you're intentionally trying to set up another silly red herring in an attempt to invalidate my comments, but I am honestly done talking to you. Congratulations, be proud that you succeeded in reaching ad nauseam. You can print out this thread and hang it on your wall with pride.

> I dislike you immensely, you're an affront to debate, logic and reason, and you fill me with great disgust.

We can see clearly whose been the one making use of ad hominem attacks, we can see who is making use of red herrings and we can see who is making "troll" posts on this thread.

> I'm a little let down by myself I fell for this obvious troll bait for so long.

While you can justify it to yourself however you like, that doesn't make it so.


  lancefoxx

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I have read all of the comments that I could. I honestly got about 90% of the way down before I to give up due to time. Please forgive me if this was discussed towards the bottom of the page already, but...

Here's what I don't understand... If IMVU truly believed in FA, they could have simply FUNDED the site without actually OWNING it. Am I wrong?

They could have provided FA with the $20k and the contracted resources needed to give us technical support. In trade, with just a partnership, but you retaining ownership, we could have provided them with additional ad space or advertising options to bring web traffic back to their gaming site. In order for that to be "fair trade," though, that web traffic must bring back $20k and then some. I know FA is popular, but will the only change mentioned, 'just ads,' really bring that much money back to them? It seems like they'll be getting more back from FA than just that. What are we truly giving them in return that they had to own the website to get?

I just tend to believe that all of this could have been worked out WITHOUT them outright BUYING the website. What am I missing here? It seems like there IS something that's not being mentioned.

Why did they NEED to actually OWN the site, just to put ads on it? It doesn't make any kind of "business" sense to me.

  calebcerron

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Frankly, I think that IMVU buying FurAffinity frees up Dragonner and Sciggles towards more stuff that they wanted to do.

  lshadowdrako

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Sadly you're not missing anything. They could have made a formal partnership, but instead Neer decided to sell out his website without even letting people using it know. I mean I am pretty sure if we wanted to, we could sue Neer for doing that.

  jroy101

#link     Posted: a year ago

  to be perfectly honest i can see this turning out like the election of Tony Abbot in australia, where i live. spoiler alert it didn't end well and is going about as well as trying to smuggle a live puffer fish in your anus over the mexican border while wearing a meat suit with hungry carnivorous creatures on all corners of your escape and... uh... i forgot where i'm going with this but basically inb4 shit goes south and people abandon FA in mass exodus to a site that will inevitably become better. currently even DA is looking like the better alt here

  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  > inb4 shit goes south and people abandon FA in mass exodus to a site that will inevitably become better.

Considering that the mentions on this on FA IRC channels has been next to nothing, I don't think it's that big of an issue in the community like the commenters here make it seem here.

  buttbadger

#link     Posted: a year ago

  srsly wtf... Nintendo announcing phone games, and now this? Is april fools coming early this year or what ?!

  karozagorus

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Everyone should start using AdBlock to resist the "ADS" given out for "oh create fake furry accounts with characters that look like a piece of crap".

  kevin-347

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Why was there a need to link them? o.o I don't like IMVU myself tbh. :/

  calebcerron

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Did not something similar happen with Furocity?

  kituneko

#link     Posted: a year ago

  It begins.

  bittercomplex

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm not that worried about this mostly uncaring - I have a IMVU just to shit around on but I never thought after all the other offers you'd partner with them. It's odd to me. I'm surprised they kept you as their head , bad on them I guess. If anything more money to do things I hope they do... something and not fuck FA over like we all think they will. Disappointing . However I read somewhere you or they rather hired some REAL coders? hahahaaaaaa

  aspenbear

#link     Posted: a year ago

  sooooo some people are saying this is all a huge stupid rumor

  craftyandy

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm sure nothing major will. Change. So far the only change I noticed was the banning of cub art as if age of fictional character matters. But that's business sometimes. Then there is the selective removal of random. Pictures from admins and stances against art work related. To equal human rights because it causes "drama"

  blizzardsky

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Has anyone tried Calling/Writing to IMVU? If not I'll be doing so once I'm off work today to at least try to work some information out of them and hopefully get some things answered.


  xifihas

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Oh boy, here comes the mass censorship.

  spikedkanine

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Yes.
Of course.

This is what I've always wanted for FA.
Exactly this.

  draco-member

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Good new so! =D

  demmy-dog

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Thou shalt not speak badly of thine new overlord! BOW TO THE IMVU ADS NAOW!

In all seriousness though, what are the changes that we should expect to see, You say that they are going to stay more distance, but will there still be legitimate artist ads? or are we only going to see IMVU crap ads? Should we expect any changes in the terms and conditions? And can we be guaranteed that the works posted will remain ours rather than like some sites with the small print allowing them to use the posted art or pictures however they please. I think that these are all legitimate concerns that a lot of furs here may be concerned about and need to be addressed to the general FA member pond. I could see this either going splendidly, or completely ruining a site that many call "home".


  wolf-knight-1

#link     Posted: a year ago

  huh?

  furnator

#link     Posted: a year ago

  oke after my last post i skipped every other message.. (note i,m no artist lawyer or businessman or furry)

why complain about this ? i mean really.. all you guys do is complain and no positive comment out of this

you know, imvu only bought stocks in my book. they bought FA and gave allot of k of money worth of gear/performance in return, people just ignore that and read **imvu BOUGHT FA** they dont get the upgrades and performance part of the deal, and besides FA is also still working independent from imvu. imvu doesnt take part in the future development of FA

also why complain about something that is optional.. you dont have to go to imvu to get onto/in FA..

look i know people are gonna be mad for me mentioning it, but just like google+and youtube, i never use google+ but do use youtube ( to watch adult marked content). you never have to use the Google+ service to go to youtube ( only shit is they upload videos/replies/comments directly on your +page ) so you have to register to google+ and youtube and yet you dont need to use the service that is google+ to go to youtube or vice versa.
the same goes for imvu. you dont need to use it to join this site nor do you need to join this site to go into imvu

also i dont get the complaint about ads either? even tough i block them that doesnt mean i dont like them. i actually only intended to use it for videos on youtube and stream, but never thought of changing the priority on every site . you know ads work 2 ways. you buy advertising space on sites/TV to promote your product and get more people. or you sell your advertising space to a company for a reasonable fee. or do both and get more followers and money( to use for your company (growth)
or a third option probably not applicable here.. use youtube/facebook/twitter/any other ''free media'' for showing your product..

so basically ads are important... both for growing companies as well as to show what '' we make''/do this as a company

about your personal info selling to imvu?: is that your biggest concern? really? the government and hackers can get your hand on your info also and you complain about the company investing some money in a fandom/furry community getting your info

also people/furries! dont hate the hell out of the owners. why not trust that imvu is not helping FA ( ''to the ground'') in any way( says they're still independent from/to imvu)
that it may be a generous donation instead of a buyout. that dragoneer still owns fur affinity(seems like it since he is still in charge)
it maybe a April fools prank gone wrong..

and you guys!: why complain at all before something happens! just sit it down and wait.. not every company are dicks like what you guys say/claim

(i also confess i have had imvu but never got on it only once in a while for 15 minutes )

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  ash.weststar

#link     Posted: a year ago

  How were you able to make round brackets if your shift key is broken?

  calebcerron

#link     Posted: a year ago

  He probably copied the brackets from another source. I do similar workarounds with little-used symbols.

  lightcatkit

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm honestly for this. Surrrre there's gonna be some sour pussycats here who think FA's gonna go down the drain..and some who already left the community entirely - but change happens all the time, and it's best if we just sit, wait and watch the progress of this communication - THEN speak out when things begin declining majorly. Honestly, I've been with IMVU since like..2006. They're good people (despite what a few possibly think); Let's give it a shot and see what comes of this =3

  connor.j.coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Are you on the payroll there, by chance?

  lightcatkit

#link     Posted: a year ago

  XDD nuuu~ I just love IMVU =P ... it's kind of a wish of mine to work there but...like that'll ever happen e w e... other than that, I just like to stay positive about movements like this > _ < i know feelings among both communities are tough about this, but it's already happened and the best we can do is to just watch and see how things work out O w o I'm kinda curious to see what'll come about~

  leonardliono

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Just found out about this, and all I can say is IMVU owning Furaffinity will either be the best thing for the fandom, or FA will have gone totally down the drain and no very relevant to the furry fandom anymore. Also will miss seeing wonder what happens to Ferrox Art LLC now?

  harkonnen

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is probably one hell of an April Fool's setup.

  connor.j.coyote

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Let's hope so.

  thehotrodhero

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Please forgive me for being ignorant, but if FA has joined with a profiting company, will FA need to be paid for to be used?

  azurex

#link     Posted: a year ago

  lol

  hemuset

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Ah crap, this is GaiaOnline all over again. They promised the same crap with their partners and it has become pixel hell.

Time to start a mass migration to Weasyl a-la "Prince of Egypt" montage.

  swedishdragon

#link     Posted: a year ago

  "We are proud..." *Facepaw*

  arieshausdorff

#link     Posted: a year ago

  IMVU is sufficiently incompetent to not have managed to bring out a client I'd be able to use in over 8 years.
SL managed to do so within 3 years, by now almost 9 years ago.

IMVU can kiss my ass due to this.
Let's see if it'll result in FA becoming a second issue.


  dray-and-erika

#link     Posted: a year ago

  (RL Draygone)
IMVU knows that FurAffinity is 50% porn, right?

  composmentis

#link     Posted: a year ago

  Id say more. o3o

  composmentis

#link     Posted: a year ago

  How is this guy still in charge??

  zandolaf

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I really think you guys & gals should have stayed unique, but as long as I don't have to pay to be on this site, then I'm good.

  caustickeet

#link     Posted: a year ago

  This is pretty much what I think of this, http://i.imgur.com/dnLSHRD.webm only steve buscemi is corporate america.

  frozen-tiger

#link     Posted: a year ago

  I'm just gonna move on tumbrl or deviantArt
This fact scares me and I'm no longer concerned about being active here, sorry.

  colliekylie

#link     Posted: a year ago

  So you all want Neer to run this site that takes up maybe 75% of his life using nothing but donations without any help? Are you all that fucking dense and selfish that you want someone to slave and toil for free just so you can have a safe place to get your rocks off? Are you not aware that IMVU have owned the site for a while? What has changed between January and now that we all know? Does it cost money to make an account *looks* no. Is the site riddled with pop-up ads? *turns off ad block* nope. Is the porn still here *looks* yep. The reason why they didn't tell us is because they knew there will be nothing but little bitches. It is clear you are all talking through your genitals because you are afraid of your precious porn being taken away from you. You are not thinking how difficult it is to run a site with only donations, you are not thinking of how the publicity will be good for furry artists (and no, IMVU does not own your images, idiots. Know basic law.), you are not thinking that this is good news for everyone on the site. You are thinking like a bunch of children when they found out that their homeroom teacher has quit and now you have a new teacher. Different hands, same content. If you want to leave, than leave. Don't let the doorknob hit you where the dog should have bit you. If you leave, I promise you, nothing of valuable was lost.

P.S.: No, Dragoneer does not have to explain himself. This was his site and he sold it rightfully. He does not have to answer to you all. He's not a fucking dog. Stop demanding him to explain himself because he doesn't have to.

P.S.S.: As lame as it sounds (because I been in your shoes) but you can't get a refund when it comes to donations. You donated your money so it's not yours anymore. Capisce?

  teshsilhou

#link     Posted: 3 weeks ago

  P.S #1
If you're renting a house and your land lord sold the house while you're living there. Do you have the right to know why?

  qtho

#link     Posted: a year ago

  If these threads are an indication of things to come, it would appear that, if FA does die, it will be because of the actions and attitudes of it's many discontent users speculating about what could happen or what may happen because of the acquisition by IMVU, rather than any change or policy that IMVU actually makes. I would point out that in the time between the decision being made and now, nothing has dramatically changed, other than a few more ads, which are a good new passive revenue stream.

  teshsilhou

#link     Posted: 3 weeks ago

  that alllll go to IMVU :3 gg

  qtho

#link     Posted: 3 weeks ago

  Where else would it go? Since IMVU is now supporting the site, that's kind of the point. Why on earth are you rezzing a 10 month old journal anyway?

  teshsilhou

#link     Posted: 3 weeks ago

  :3 it's almost been 2 years, not 10 months :3

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  alivease

#link     Posted: 2 months ago

  so saad :'( so so sad