I was also kind of irked by the mammals only thing.

I'm with you, bro.

I got to say you are the first I seem that didn't like the tease so far. In its own way it does get the world more open to the ways of furries in a small way and I am sure as time goes on we will learn more about it.What little we have seem it looks like it will be nothing more than what they use to call funny animals doing silly things.

I already stated that if the movie doesn't have a Croc or anything reptile i said i want my money back.

TALKING ANIMALS MOVIE :DDDDDDDDDDD

Yeah, no reptiles can fuck off.

Well, it was a teaser, but it didn't really catch my attention either. They want to blend the old Disney style with CGI, used lots of old furry puns from 20 years ago, and the world didn't really feel inspired. Feels more like they wrote a sequel to my comic series and half-assed it (we have scalies in the comic, btw)

yes

Reptiles have already been confirmed to be in the movie. They are going to play the "villains" of the movie. Whatever that means.

Oi, there's an ancient stereotype they brought back: reptiles are always evil.

Well, they are. >.>

Everyone knows you can't trust an exotherm.

Not really. There have been a fair number of good reptiles in fiction; it's just easier for writers to shoehorn them into villain roles. And not all mammalian characters are good guys.

It was a joke.

I know. I just felt like pointing that out. XD

You could just take a minute to look at both of my most recent submissions to see I don't think all mammals are good.

However, I don't get Kaa's obsession with reptiles considering most of his characters are dinosaurs (which are almost as different from reptiles as mammals are).

Again, I was pointing it out for the sake of the poor scalies. I am aware you were making an exotherm joke.

It's the same way as I don't get some of the people's kinks - only thing there's to be understood is that "it's their thing, move along".



Of course in this case, stereotypically speaking, any sort of reptilian/dinosaurian/dragonic/being with scales in the media always gets the spot as being "the obvious evil-doer" due to their association towards few things:

A) Carnivorous nature: meat-eaters are obviously evil since they only eat and hunt those that are made out of meat. In reality, there's quite alot of these kinds of species as well, but by default, if the character does eat only meat, the character is an easy choice for the evil brute type.

B) Religious imagery: reptiles (snakes in this case) and dragons are typically associated with satanic evilness in christianity, often described either as traitorous foes (snake manages to make Eve eat a fruit from the Forbidden Tree) or as the ultimate evil (in the "good book", there's a brief description about Satan being this dragonic being with seven heads). Since most of the western worlds have been influenced by a certain type of religion, these types can be easily associated together.

C) Cold-blood: most reptiles tends to be cold-blooded (aka: exothermal) since they lack that thing in them that allows most mammals to get their own heat from moving and eating (and lack of bodyhair). Cold-blooded can also mean to describe a being that is incapable or unwilling (due reason or another) to show any warmer signs of emotions and feelings since empathy and sympathy is for the weak. So it's pretty much a wordplay turned into a personality trait.

D) Venom: Some of the reptilian creatures are venomous as means of defending themselves against other creatures or as methods of taking down their prey. Of course being friends with beings that are highly venomous or poisonous is never suggested under any circumstances due health hazards (you wouldn't want to touch acid with your hands, now would you?), so it's easy to put this onto a personality trait of a being no one wants to ever meet or hang around with. Can also be combined with the carnivorous nature, seeing as how others use their venom to stun, paralyze and kill their prey for easy food.

E) Appereance: This is actually rather far-fetched, but when you think about it, most of the mammals have some form of "sensible" look to them, be it because how they behave, how they act, how their bodies have evolved along the years and how otherwise they are similar to humans as well, for example: lions and humans both possesses hair. Reptiles on the other hand are somewhat of a misfits in this case, since they have scales instead of a skin or fur. Some can be even wet or slimy, depending on the specie, to which most people are rather squeamish to since anything slimy or wet is considered as icky. And by default, ugliness is associated towards stupidity and carnal, beastly behaviour.



Rather than saying that anyone whose into dragons, reptiles, dinos and such reptilian creatures also happen to be evil-satan-brute-poison-venom-ugliness-carnal-slimy-wet-misfit enthusiast, they are just as appealing as wolves, lions, bears and such other creatures are to others. In media, people are just stuck to the idea that evil, dangerous being comes with a scaley skin and don't have anything else to their personality or alliance besides the obvious ones they are always potrayed as, since it's easy to take the word "evil" and plant it onto a character like a sticker to point out who's who. It's almost the same way as how some people always thinks that blacks/middle-easterns/asians/hispanics are criminals compared to white caucasians: it's simply not true. (Rather harsh and unnecessarey example, but still on point.)

We'd like to see something better out of our reptilian, dinosaurian, dragonic and otherwise scaley folks as well - the media just won't do it all the time as much as they do with other mammals, so there's that problem - and so far, our only solution is to do artwork that shows them in more diverse light.




Yes, I'm fully aware that this reply was long and reeks with unnecessary amount of input to a topic that isn't life-resolving or important, but I'm personally getting tired of this lackluster of love towards the species I greatly enjoy myself in the mainstream - just as much as how some people are tired of certain character trait/trope, scenario, storytelling and such other thing people push into the TV for us to see.

You have some points on reptiles. However, there's been plenty of media over the last twenty years that does justice to dragons (Dragonheart, the metallic dragons of D&D and Pathfinder, and that's just off the top of my head) and to dinosaurs (Dinotopia, for example). I think part of the problem REALLY is that the scaly crowd lump the three into the same group when it's very clear that dragons and dinos are not the same as reptiles (though it could be argued they're similar to each other).

Also, it's specifically snakes that get the really bad rap. I can think of a number of alligators, lizards and particularly turtles that get a much better shake than snakes do. And it makes sense: snakes are particularly dangerous to humans; at least, the venom-carrying and constrictors are. I think that's part of why the snake is treated as evil by some religions: the threat those kinds of snakes can be to us. Also, the lack of limbs makes them much different than most every other land-based animal on the planet, meaning there's a creepy factor due to dissimilarity. Admittedly, gator and crocs can get a bit of a bad shake now and then too, but it's nowhere near what snakes get.

Another thing to remember: most humans relate more to their fellow mammals than they do to reptiles. They're more similar, so the reasoning is obvious. So I get why the movie would focus primarily on mammals; it's something most people would know and can relate to (probably the reason most of us furries have mammal characters). No matter what we may think, the movie's not just for us, so it has to be wide-appealing, and since most people don't relate to reptiles...well, it's an explanation, but at the moment we don't even know if that rumor is true, do we?

Anyway, just my thoughts really quick on some of the stuff you said. I hope nothing hurt any feelings, that's not my intention. ^.^;

like Foxs are always thiefs.. do they cry about it now? Nooooooooooooooo

Um okay, so what are you going on about exactly? I was just stating a fact.

Oh god I hope not.

I was hoping the "Prince Charming is not always good" message from Frozen was some inkling of moral progress on the part of Disney. I hope they won't be going back to dark-age stereotyping with this movie...

I actually wouldn't mind if it was an entirely "mammals-only" movie. It'd be a nice fun little break from reptiling. But if they're going to be making stereotypical black-and-white hero/villain divides like that, then count me out.

This is the same studio that brought us Frozen and Big Hero 6 most recently. Plus, a world of animals instead of people? Wow, Disney has never done that before :-D I'm not getting my hopes up yet.

It was a very minimalistic trailer, there might be scalies in it. have to wait and see

No, no, Tredain. See, you have to be reactionary and impulsive on this, you can't wait and see when the movie comes out. You have to have an opinion NOW, dammit! :P

an here I thought'cha would'a found the whole thing rather ... appetizin'! ;)

http://i.imgur.com/LTWxEvo.gif

the narration was cringeworthy at best. Granted, trailers are made by some other company that has nothing to do with the people making the movie, and they're usually given squat to work with, but still, I'm underwhelmed.

I'm usually sold on reptiles, too. And I doubt I'll be seeing this movie. But...

"...it's a melting pot where animals from every environment live together—a place where no matter what you are, from the biggest elephant to the smallest shrew, you can be anything. However, the city is separated into classes, where they face prejudice based on preconceived notions about their species."

I would be thoroughly impressed if they used this opportunity to deconstruct the trope of reptiles being the automatic incarnate of all evil and instead presented them as normal creatures that are simply different. I'm sick of everything reptilian getting such a bad reputation by default.

furries will make a big deal out of ANYTHING that is remotely anthropomorphic....

then those stupid R34 pics start coming in.....


nothing new here.

(sorry a little peeved atm, from other matters)

AAAMEEEEN ^^

Also too many furries crying there's no reptiles....Christ calm down nerds. It's just ONE trailer....

Dito ^^

Trailer specifically says the word "mammals". 'Nuff said.

Why aren't furrrrrrrriieeeees going nuts over scales in Jurassic world, and that new movie that involves dinosaurs.
The Good Dinosaur was it?

well, first off, the JW hype is getting over ran by all this zoo hype. Secondly, it's not as directly catering, since those dinos aren't anthro like the animals are. Thirdly, The Good Dinosaur has...an odd style to their dinos IMO.

"furries will make a big deal out of ANYTHING that is remotely anthropomorphic...."

Yes, you just described why this fandom exists.

Look, if you're already upset from another issue, I don't think you should be discussing another pet peeve publicly. It's a great way to set your self up for further aggravation, and I say that from personal experience.

Wait and see. Perhaps there are scalies in there... but they might be the bad guys. Hmm, aliens? :D

YO I want me some scalie stuff too! Too much fur goin' on >:T

It was a teaser trailer and there are nine months until it comes out.
People need to ease up on the hate.

Using your same comments,.I'd say people need to ease up on the hype. The rule34 is already becoming saturated...from a freaking teaser.

Hi, have you met this fandom? :P

Seriously though, let them have their hype. Better they get some of it out of their system than see it build up. ESPECIALLY if this movie meets their expectations: if that happened, the hype in comparison to this will be nothing. It'll be SO much worse than the hype Frozen got from most people.

Besides, that's what people do. They can't help hype sometimes, especially when it looks like there's a movie coming out that comes really close to catering directly to their interests.

And there's a reason Im feeling more and more out of touch with this fandom...

The reptiles never get any fucking goodies. Im not too interested either, but thats mostly because im meh on disney/pixar flicks.

All I've seen of it is the rule 34 stuff on FA. I'm not really interested in movies at all nowadays.

truetrue... yet there were some older movies that had reptiles a sgood that frog princess is one all dogs go to heaven one lol on it hrrrmm dragonheart? several

So... you are saying all we furries could pass Jurassic world for now furs in there? :D

But its not a movie about anthro dinos...

There are a number shows with anthrodinos? More than about Anthro wolves (which I would lvoe to see.. do I whine? no... :D )

I would have to disagree. The use of anthro wolves is far more.prevalent than dinos. They just don't get a spotlight focus. And I'm not even counting werewolves.

So.. do I cry? :D This whole thing is a bit childish to me... Oo

Maybe, but with a film getting so.much hype from a TEASER trailer, I think its a valid complaint about there.being.no scalies.

the only hype it is getting now is : There are no scalies in it waaaaaaah.

You mean.besides all the rule 34 porn?

yeah.. well. the main character is a fox ... The "yiffiest" species. so much for stereotypes...

Lions are lazy, scalies the evil ones. Wolves brute and dumb, Foxes thiefs or yiff-yaff... I fucking don't care. but I care when adult people cry about no reptiles in a movie like they are first grader... and find it... embarassing .. I am glad no one outside of the fandom sees this and starts to tell the world about it.

So one petson 'whining' is more embarrassing than the fandom sexualizing these cartoon animals?

It is not one.. like it see now many scalies are complaining .. hence they are doing this on a furry site

I think it might have something to do with the timing, when this trailer came out...

Just when Jurassic World came out, this trailer came out as well...

Watched the movie yesterday and was all hyper about talking about it and the raptors with others and now it's Zootopia all over the place. XD

I would be totally interested in Zootopia at any other time, but I think because I'm all hyped up about JW, whenever another Zootopia-Journal pops up I get all annoyed about it...


So yeah, I blame it on bad timing at least in my case XD I'm sure in a month or two things might look different. ^^

Besides... it shouldn't be a reason for an interspecies-war mammals against reptiles or something. ^_^

waah there are no furries in Jurassic World.. I will not watch it.. wäääh

nah, really. will watch it however. but well. it was not a trailer even. rather a teaser :D

TBF, Wolfblade did some sexualized pictures of Nick Wilde when the damn thing was announced TWO YEARS AGO, so it's not like this is anything new for this character at this point. Not to mention, who cares if they do it? It's how furries are sometimes, they get overly excited and into it and do stuff like this.

I'd argue the shere quantity is new for these characters. But thats not really the point I'm trying to make in this comment thread.

What is the point you're trying to make? Because the only one I can see is that furries are getting too hyped over this movie, and that's a very subjective statement. But if I've got that wrong, please let me know. ^.^

The person above seems to think that scalies 'whining' about this embarrassing, and I'm just trying to point out that people looking in from outside the fandom are going to find the porn more distressing than some members whining on the internet about a movie.

The furries getting overhyped is just a personal peeve. I don't like to be bombarded with stuff that is the 'latest thing'. It usually just embitters me towards it.

No. Yet I'm also not hyped about it. It's just a movie whose existence is to make money, not to tell a good story.

And I'm allowed to voice my own opinions, this being my own journal. This "if you can't say anything nice" attitude among furs doesn't fly with me. Anyone who may not like how I think is welcome to use the "-Watch" link on my user page.

So you know the whole movie already?

And I am not going to unwatch you because of this. I am not a baby or so. I just find it strange to not give a movie a chance for such reasons. I also watched movies even though there were no lions or whatever in it.

And you have the right to not watch it but it is strange to cry about it on a furry site... it is like I would cry about every scaly/reptile movie on a scaly platform...

Let's look at this from a more basic level:


There's a movie coming out that is based on having all sorts of anthropomorphic characters, rather than having full human-only roster. They all have personalities, quirks and a specific behaviour to each of their person and there's a specific storyline that drives the people throughout the movie. However, the story and the setting (according to the trailer) only consists of mammalian types rather than having some or more reptilian types included as well.

Taking into consideration how there aren't a whole lot of movies where a reptilian, dinosaurian, dragonic or otherwise scaly characters are the good guys or have more to them than just the obvious "evil in a nutshell" -personality or aren't there altogether because of reasons, such as how similar mammals are to each other (humans included) than reptiles or how mammals always are more than just animalistic beasts than reptiles which are cold-blooded (as stated in a reply to  yamatoiouko in my previous reply), it can be nerve-grating to some folks who are fans of the more scaley beings instead and want to see them on a better, greater light, just to change things up a bit.

In other words: some people who are into anthropomorphic scalies may and can show slight disappointment upon a movie (even when there's only a trailer shown) that could've done a better job by implementing and displaying scaley characters into a movie, since after all, the movie is all about anthros. What's the excuse to leave them out?


That's the thing what's going on. Rather than considering it as a being who cries from "oh so dramatic wrongness going on here" (although there are massive cases of that kind of behaviour still going on), consider it as an opinion and a reason why someone thinks the whole thing doesn't cater to their interests and where it fails to deliver to catch the individuals attention.

You did not say anything new to me here. i have figured that out even before I wrote my first journal about this. but there is no need to shout it out like this. If he does not want to see it .. fine.. no one forces him to. but there is no need to scream it out and other all along.

Sorry for that then, I suppose.

Hehe. I do mean you ^^ but some scalies here...

Wait, there're no dinosaurs? Blegh, that's no fun.

Uhh...dinosaurs are extinct. >.> The Jurassic Park series is not a documentary. XD

Really? You don't say?

Sorry, I had high snark levels in my bloodstream when I typed that.

So do the carnivore mammals eat birds and lizards and shit? How are they going to cover the legality of that in "Animal world" wouldn't it be cannibalism if all critters were sentient?

Maybe there's both anthro and non-anthro versions of animals?

i was a bit unhappy that there there wasn't any reptiles or birds. but hopping when the film is out they will have some in. can't judge it straight away. it should be a fun furry film i think ^^

There better be bears in this movie.

Yup 4 behind the Rhino cop if you look + one other [Discected it on SL last night with the 'bears']

I found a polar bear in a business-casual blue suit. I am unsure about the other one you mention.

Nevermind! I found the other Brown Bear with the group of Zebra in background. He's wearing blue jeans shorts and a greyish-black t-shirt.

This is kinda fun! ^_^

Yeah me and Daos where giving it the full scan on SL last night

I'm already put off by the ridiculous amount of fan art, and I haven't even seen the teaser.

Give furries a trailer, and they'll hit R34 in no time.

There may still be reptiles but that just the trailer.

It was sad that my first thought upon seeing this on my Facebook feed was 'welp... there goes the pornbait.'

What's bothering me is that furries are making it sound like Disney's going to show some dicks for the very first time ever, when we all know deep down that unless American ideals on nudity and visible genitals changes, that's not going to fucking happen, ever.

Is this movie really gonna be the next holy grail in the Disney library just because it's all furry characters? :/

Yes.

Furries be all aboard the hype train

I like all kinds of anthros, so yeah...I could see the appeal.

However, I seriously don't understand something about the trailer: namely, it's trying to claim some new concept, when there isn't one. There's nothing new about an anthropomorphic animal movie. "Like nothing you've seen be-fur?" Robin Hood, Nu Pogodi, some Silly Symphonies, myriad lesser cartoons--I mean, tons of cartoons would beg to differ.

Also, the trailer wasn't funny.

I don't like the fact that they use the term 'animals' at first, and then immediately re-specify as 'mammals'. I guess we'll have to wait and see if reptiles feature at all.

I personally don't mind if reptiles are the bad guys, as long as they look good while doing it!

I haven't even seen the trailer yet...

Well, I see this is a big issue. And I'm not interested in that show as well.

I wouldn't even be surprised if I get a whole ton load of responses from this.

I saw the picture for the trailer for Zootopia, and thought "Whelp, here comes a lot of gawdawful porn."

I was under the impression from the beginning of this project that it was going to be "Traditionally Hand drawn Animation" Seeing the trailer in 3d animation is what urks me the most. It's as if they gave up on that idea when they saw Frozen and how much money that film made.