My experience with the Military
16 years ago
This is a direct response to Alex Reynard's journal about a soldier's experience. It's spot on. After some encouragement, I decided to journal my own. I'm not sure if the military likes to keep negative stories under wraps, but there's not TOO much they can do to me now. Besides, it's not like bad stories aren't in more public places like the news media.
Alex's Journal:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/703888/
Some people have strong spirits like Alex Reynard's friend. I am not one of them.
Yeah, I signed up. It was 2004. I had been fired from my job because I couldn't work a 65+ hour work week doing tech support with back-to-back calls. It was shooting up my nerves pretty badly and I had to take three 15 minute breaks instead of two 10 minute breaks like everyone else.
Of course my dad thought that I lacked "discipline" and did everything he could to convince me to enlist. My dad was a civilian defense contractor. He did weapons research, considered it wonderfully patriotic, and is utterly amazed that the government is using those weapons he made for anything other than wholesome reasons. Oh yeah, he says he went to a "boot camp" college because he had to do a tough 5 hour gym class. I'll cut it short and say he's a poser.
So, I go to the army recruitment website and read all their wonderful things. I look at the pretty movies. I get pumped up. I go to the recruiters and score a 99 on the practice ASVAB. The recruiters all start kissing my ass faster than you could believe. When they find out I'm out of a job, my recruiter drives me down to the MEPS (Military Entrance Processing System) personally. I ace the real thing with the same score and by the end of the day I'm feeling like a million bucks.
Yeah, my recruiters were seriously misleading me and doing everything they could to downplay boot camp. "Now, one thing to keep in mind is that they do yell at you some. The big thing is never to give up. Just keep going and they'll work with you."
Interestingly enough, my car's timing belt breaks just as I get into the driveway for my parent's house with the last load of my belongings. What an odd foreshadowing..
The voices in my head comment that they were keeping my car going until now, since I was broke and having my car go out would have made it hard for me to get food. Having voices in your head either makes you spiritual or insane. I like to think the former, but I really don't care either way since they always tell me to do good things!
Non-sequiters for the win!
For the record, the voices in my head were always anti-military. I couldn't exactly say that to fundamentalists like my parents. I had already been down that road and had them pray over me to cast out my demons. So I just told them I didn't want to waste four years of my life. They responded that I was wasting my life anyway since I didn't have any material possessions to my name.
Anyway, I ship out. I think the first realization that something was wrong was when I arrived off the plane and I thought the sergeant who picked us up was a serious asshole about our formation. I wondered what his problem was when he gave us sharp comments.
He would be saintly compared to others by the end of it.
I got to the base. I spent a week getting processed. This amounts to doing nothing but staring at the walls while waiting for shots or other stuff. I thought that it sucked so when time came for the physical fitness test I determined I would do what it took to pass. If I didn't pass, I would go to "FAT Camp" and have to stare at walls some more until I passed. So I ran a mile in eight minutes. I nearly vomited in the process. A desk job doesn't prepare you for running laps that well, after all.
It was only at night that I realized I'd have to repeat that every day. I wasn't too happy. And having them show us clips from "Saving Private Ryan" didn't help either. I was starting to realize this may have been a mistake.
Day one of Boot Camp. I'm loaded onto a cattle car. Yes, an actual cattle car. Half way through they stopped to pick up some drill sergeants who started right off with the screaming and yelling. I didn't see them get on, so it came straight out of the blue. I went from annoyed at the bad position to shear terror. It finally dawned on me just how badly I got smooth talked by my recruiter. I remember my own thoughts very well. "Oh my god, what have I gotten myself into?"
At this point I'll talk about comments I have received. I get some comments every so often that I was foolish and/or naive to let my recruiter do that to me. Everyone knows what recruiters are like so it's my fault and mine alone. I actually agree that I was foolish for having gotten involved. Please feel free to say it then. I do not care. I have made peace with my past mistakes.
Anyway, I was too terrified to think for most of the rest of the day. They introduced us to "punitive exercise". It's amazing how much pain you can put a person through with just exercise. They had some very creative stress positions they wanted you to stay in, and god help you if the drill sergeants see you in pain. Actually, god help you if you even grunt, you're expected to take it in silence. They also loved playing mind tricks on us like changing people's bags and then blaming them for having the wrong guy's stuff.
People later tell me that was just to get you in shape.
Bullshit.
At the mess hall, I couldn't keep from shaking. The bits of rice were literally falling off my fork before it got to my face. I later found out the drill sergeants got a good laugh out of it.
I didn't sleep at all the first night. I didn't want to sleep either. I didn't want the time in bed, alone and to myself, to end. During that night I could only think about how to get out. And I realized there was only one way out... to kill myself.
The next day was somewhat easier. I was numb. But no matter how much they yelled at me, I didn't mind so much. I knew it was only temporary. It was only going to last until I found a way to kill myself. Even the voices in my head, which are normally staunchly against such things, told me they would understand.
The first few days they give you plastic knives, so I couldn't slit my wrists. I know. I tried. In hind sight it wouldn't have worked anyway, since I didn't know that it was "down the road, not across the street".
There was an access to the roof to my barracks. It was in the stair well. It would be a three story drop, so I'd have to jump head first against some concrete to make that work. Unfortunately the drill sergeants were always strategically placed to keep me away from the roof, so I would have to do it at night. I'd have to do it on a night when I was on watch, so no one would catch me on my way up. I fully planned to do this my next watch.
At worst, I knew that as soon as I got live ammunition I'd have a easy way to do myself in.
It didn't help that I was sick. I was so sick that I could barely hear the drill sergeant talking from five feet away. I couldn't eat more than a few bites or drink any amount of water without throwing it up. Of course, the drill sergeants made me drink until I threw up anyway. Since I couldn't keep down water, my new friend heat exhaustion was never far away. Eventually, after I had been standing in the sun for almost an hour, I felt a very bad headache and my body was numb. So I finally raised my hand until a sergeant came over, and explained I was suffering from heat exhaustion. I was taken in the the building for a moment.
Inside was a fun exercise. One drill sergeant asked me where I was from. The other told me I wasn't from there. They both had fun giving me conflicting orders and watching me squirm. And of course I was punished for disobedience when I was unable to obey the conflicting orders. By the time I got out of the building, I was told that my problem with water was because I was weak and didn't drink it enough before coming. Likewise, I was made to feel like crap since I didn't have a good reason to sign up and just made up a "for the college money" excuse when asked. When I got back to my fellow soldiers, they thought I was crazy for admitting I was having a problem, and they told me it would have been a better idea to wait until I had a heat stroke and had to be taken to the hospital.
I went to church on Sunday. I was not a church person before, and I'm certainly not one now. But I went. I didn't have the courage to say I wasn't a Christian. The pastor at the church was an evangelical. He said he loved boot camp because everyone was having a "Spiritual experience". Still, for all his faults I love the guy. He was one of the few kind people I met at boot camp.
You see, I was taken to him. When I was shaking so bad I couldn't eat the first day, the head sergeant pulled me aside and asked why. I told him I had suicidal thoughts. So I was taken to see the pastor and get his opinion. I was there with another person who I know only as Jehovia's Witness. He suddenly realized that he was going to be required to kill people and wanted out.
The pastor asked if I was suicidal. When I told him yes, he asked how I was going to do it. I told him. I went into detail about what would be required and how I planned to carry it out. I was able to talk about my planned leap from the barracks building for almost a minute since I had planned it out so well. He quickly realized I was serious and wasn't just saying it to get out, so he stopped me and told me he would talk to my drill sergeant immediately.
From then on I was treated a bit differently. Treating someone like shit is one thing. Driving someone to suicide looks bad though. They didn't want me to actually kill myself. They certainly didn't want me to have a good time either.
On the way back, I was taken back by another female soldier. She was nice to me. I couldn't keep myself from crying when I thanked her for treating me like a human. I don't know who you are, but thank you.
Remember the poor Jehovia's Witness? I don't know what happened to him in the end. All I know is that he sat down and refused to do anything until they took him away. They punished everyone but him. Once we had run ourselves ragged, they had us circle around him and scream insults at him in an attempt to get him to go along. The hatred was real.
Speaking of hatred, remember how I was sick? So sick I couldn't hear someone talking more then five feet away? Funny thing, being that sick tends to impair one's physical performance. I was often the slowest one in the group, and everyone would have to keep doing punitive exercise until I made the minimum time, which was NOT easy. In fact, it was quite painful. To say I was hated was an understatement.
Later that day we were made to run up and down a flight of stairs for thirty minutes because of the Jehovia's Witness guy. To this day I do not blame him. He had courage. It takes real courage to sit down and not go along. He has more courage than I. I do feel sorry for the guy they made carry the two forty pound weights up the stairs though.
So eventually I got put on the exit. I was pulled from the squad before we got our guns. I think that was intentional. They required at least two people be with me at all times, but they didn't take away my shoe laces. They do that to identify actively suicidal people. I had started wising up by then and realized that they wouldn't let me commit suicide if I told them to full extent to which I was trying to kill myself. So I alway held back a bit to the councilor.
You see, I had determined by that point that I was worthless as a human being. I had decided that I simply had to die. Even if I got out of boot camp I was still intending to kill myself as soon as I got home. It was what I deserved.
I lasted five days in Boot camp. People can call me weak if they want. I don't mind. I've come to terms with my past and my own personal faults. I am who I am. Besides, it's just what people who don't know what it's like do. It's what people who have killed their spirit do.
Oh yes, you kill your spirit.
Let me tell you about the single worst moment of my entire experience in the army.
Let me tell you about the single worst moment of my life.
I was out of boot camp and in some place waiting for release from the army. I forget what it is called. It was still in the boot camp area and I went to a mess hall that was in the same area. Anyway, one day I was marching to the mess hall when I saw some new recruits who were getting off the cattle cars. They were running around terrified, just like I was when I was in their position.
I laughed. I enjoyed seeing them suffer. I thought it was great. I felt personally gratified by their pain.
And then I realized what I had just did.
That feeling, that laugh was the most horrible thing I have ever done in my entire life.
Those slogans and clips they show, those values they preach, they're bullshit. Pain does not beget honor and friendships. Pain begets pain. Pain begets evil. Any surface appearance of honor or integrity is just that, surface.
I was fully intending to kill myself when I got back. I had decided to kill myself by suffocation. I intended to leave in the middle of the night, walk out into the forest, put a plastic bag over my head, and go to sleep. I even had my suicide note written up. I forget what they were, but there were a few specific words said by my dad during the ride home from the airport that kept me from doing it. If they had come out only slightly different, I wouldn't be here today.
Still, my parents were... barely sympathetic. When I got back I was a sniveling, groveling, broken person who could barely keep from crying. That doesn't go over well when someone entire life experience says that hurting people helps them and helping people hurts them. My parents insisted that I not turn on a computer for a week since computer games were just an addictive drug. I was coaxed into going back to college and later got my degree. My parents declared the army to be the best thing that ever happened to me. My ability to get a degree now shows that I had gotten the "discipline" I needed in life, so my dad didn't have to reevaluate his core principles. Cognitive dissonance has been averted! Normality has been restored.
I lied about my grades. I didn't do nearly as well as I told my parents I did. And I only got through because I was too numb to think or do anything else. It would be years before I regained any sense of self-direction.
Oh, and it took three weeks of antibiotics to clear up the sinus infection, and another two until I had full hearing back.
I still consider the most important thing that one single moment where I was laughing at other people's pain. That one moment taught me more about the true nature of evil than any amount of lecturing or observing. I'm sorry people, but evil doesn't wear a black hat. True evil is almost aways considered good by most of society.
I've sworn to myself to never repeat that mistake, and to always be good. To be kind, gentle, and polite. To realise that helping people helps them and hurting people hurts them. And to always seek to increase the amount of pleasure in the universe.
Furthermore, I determined to seek an "alternative" to "strength", since I don't want to be like those people. I seek to cultivate "agility".
I have a fantasy of a Bartleby's Descent spinoff story called "Demon Boot Camp" where they break the training of that horrible place. The reveille plays, and demons march around quietly asking why everyone is getting up. We don't obey the rules here! Go back to sleep! I tried writing about it before, but always felt a quiet revulsion at the memories. I wonder if I would have more success now?
I wish the best of luck to Alex's friend, whoever he is. He is a stronger person than I.
Alex's Journal:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/703888/
Some people have strong spirits like Alex Reynard's friend. I am not one of them.
Yeah, I signed up. It was 2004. I had been fired from my job because I couldn't work a 65+ hour work week doing tech support with back-to-back calls. It was shooting up my nerves pretty badly and I had to take three 15 minute breaks instead of two 10 minute breaks like everyone else.
Of course my dad thought that I lacked "discipline" and did everything he could to convince me to enlist. My dad was a civilian defense contractor. He did weapons research, considered it wonderfully patriotic, and is utterly amazed that the government is using those weapons he made for anything other than wholesome reasons. Oh yeah, he says he went to a "boot camp" college because he had to do a tough 5 hour gym class. I'll cut it short and say he's a poser.
So, I go to the army recruitment website and read all their wonderful things. I look at the pretty movies. I get pumped up. I go to the recruiters and score a 99 on the practice ASVAB. The recruiters all start kissing my ass faster than you could believe. When they find out I'm out of a job, my recruiter drives me down to the MEPS (Military Entrance Processing System) personally. I ace the real thing with the same score and by the end of the day I'm feeling like a million bucks.
Yeah, my recruiters were seriously misleading me and doing everything they could to downplay boot camp. "Now, one thing to keep in mind is that they do yell at you some. The big thing is never to give up. Just keep going and they'll work with you."
Interestingly enough, my car's timing belt breaks just as I get into the driveway for my parent's house with the last load of my belongings. What an odd foreshadowing..
The voices in my head comment that they were keeping my car going until now, since I was broke and having my car go out would have made it hard for me to get food. Having voices in your head either makes you spiritual or insane. I like to think the former, but I really don't care either way since they always tell me to do good things!
Non-sequiters for the win!
For the record, the voices in my head were always anti-military. I couldn't exactly say that to fundamentalists like my parents. I had already been down that road and had them pray over me to cast out my demons. So I just told them I didn't want to waste four years of my life. They responded that I was wasting my life anyway since I didn't have any material possessions to my name.
Anyway, I ship out. I think the first realization that something was wrong was when I arrived off the plane and I thought the sergeant who picked us up was a serious asshole about our formation. I wondered what his problem was when he gave us sharp comments.
He would be saintly compared to others by the end of it.
I got to the base. I spent a week getting processed. This amounts to doing nothing but staring at the walls while waiting for shots or other stuff. I thought that it sucked so when time came for the physical fitness test I determined I would do what it took to pass. If I didn't pass, I would go to "FAT Camp" and have to stare at walls some more until I passed. So I ran a mile in eight minutes. I nearly vomited in the process. A desk job doesn't prepare you for running laps that well, after all.
It was only at night that I realized I'd have to repeat that every day. I wasn't too happy. And having them show us clips from "Saving Private Ryan" didn't help either. I was starting to realize this may have been a mistake.
Day one of Boot Camp. I'm loaded onto a cattle car. Yes, an actual cattle car. Half way through they stopped to pick up some drill sergeants who started right off with the screaming and yelling. I didn't see them get on, so it came straight out of the blue. I went from annoyed at the bad position to shear terror. It finally dawned on me just how badly I got smooth talked by my recruiter. I remember my own thoughts very well. "Oh my god, what have I gotten myself into?"
At this point I'll talk about comments I have received. I get some comments every so often that I was foolish and/or naive to let my recruiter do that to me. Everyone knows what recruiters are like so it's my fault and mine alone. I actually agree that I was foolish for having gotten involved. Please feel free to say it then. I do not care. I have made peace with my past mistakes.
Anyway, I was too terrified to think for most of the rest of the day. They introduced us to "punitive exercise". It's amazing how much pain you can put a person through with just exercise. They had some very creative stress positions they wanted you to stay in, and god help you if the drill sergeants see you in pain. Actually, god help you if you even grunt, you're expected to take it in silence. They also loved playing mind tricks on us like changing people's bags and then blaming them for having the wrong guy's stuff.
People later tell me that was just to get you in shape.
Bullshit.
At the mess hall, I couldn't keep from shaking. The bits of rice were literally falling off my fork before it got to my face. I later found out the drill sergeants got a good laugh out of it.
I didn't sleep at all the first night. I didn't want to sleep either. I didn't want the time in bed, alone and to myself, to end. During that night I could only think about how to get out. And I realized there was only one way out... to kill myself.
The next day was somewhat easier. I was numb. But no matter how much they yelled at me, I didn't mind so much. I knew it was only temporary. It was only going to last until I found a way to kill myself. Even the voices in my head, which are normally staunchly against such things, told me they would understand.
The first few days they give you plastic knives, so I couldn't slit my wrists. I know. I tried. In hind sight it wouldn't have worked anyway, since I didn't know that it was "down the road, not across the street".
There was an access to the roof to my barracks. It was in the stair well. It would be a three story drop, so I'd have to jump head first against some concrete to make that work. Unfortunately the drill sergeants were always strategically placed to keep me away from the roof, so I would have to do it at night. I'd have to do it on a night when I was on watch, so no one would catch me on my way up. I fully planned to do this my next watch.
At worst, I knew that as soon as I got live ammunition I'd have a easy way to do myself in.
It didn't help that I was sick. I was so sick that I could barely hear the drill sergeant talking from five feet away. I couldn't eat more than a few bites or drink any amount of water without throwing it up. Of course, the drill sergeants made me drink until I threw up anyway. Since I couldn't keep down water, my new friend heat exhaustion was never far away. Eventually, after I had been standing in the sun for almost an hour, I felt a very bad headache and my body was numb. So I finally raised my hand until a sergeant came over, and explained I was suffering from heat exhaustion. I was taken in the the building for a moment.
Inside was a fun exercise. One drill sergeant asked me where I was from. The other told me I wasn't from there. They both had fun giving me conflicting orders and watching me squirm. And of course I was punished for disobedience when I was unable to obey the conflicting orders. By the time I got out of the building, I was told that my problem with water was because I was weak and didn't drink it enough before coming. Likewise, I was made to feel like crap since I didn't have a good reason to sign up and just made up a "for the college money" excuse when asked. When I got back to my fellow soldiers, they thought I was crazy for admitting I was having a problem, and they told me it would have been a better idea to wait until I had a heat stroke and had to be taken to the hospital.
I went to church on Sunday. I was not a church person before, and I'm certainly not one now. But I went. I didn't have the courage to say I wasn't a Christian. The pastor at the church was an evangelical. He said he loved boot camp because everyone was having a "Spiritual experience". Still, for all his faults I love the guy. He was one of the few kind people I met at boot camp.
You see, I was taken to him. When I was shaking so bad I couldn't eat the first day, the head sergeant pulled me aside and asked why. I told him I had suicidal thoughts. So I was taken to see the pastor and get his opinion. I was there with another person who I know only as Jehovia's Witness. He suddenly realized that he was going to be required to kill people and wanted out.
The pastor asked if I was suicidal. When I told him yes, he asked how I was going to do it. I told him. I went into detail about what would be required and how I planned to carry it out. I was able to talk about my planned leap from the barracks building for almost a minute since I had planned it out so well. He quickly realized I was serious and wasn't just saying it to get out, so he stopped me and told me he would talk to my drill sergeant immediately.
From then on I was treated a bit differently. Treating someone like shit is one thing. Driving someone to suicide looks bad though. They didn't want me to actually kill myself. They certainly didn't want me to have a good time either.
On the way back, I was taken back by another female soldier. She was nice to me. I couldn't keep myself from crying when I thanked her for treating me like a human. I don't know who you are, but thank you.
Remember the poor Jehovia's Witness? I don't know what happened to him in the end. All I know is that he sat down and refused to do anything until they took him away. They punished everyone but him. Once we had run ourselves ragged, they had us circle around him and scream insults at him in an attempt to get him to go along. The hatred was real.
Speaking of hatred, remember how I was sick? So sick I couldn't hear someone talking more then five feet away? Funny thing, being that sick tends to impair one's physical performance. I was often the slowest one in the group, and everyone would have to keep doing punitive exercise until I made the minimum time, which was NOT easy. In fact, it was quite painful. To say I was hated was an understatement.
Later that day we were made to run up and down a flight of stairs for thirty minutes because of the Jehovia's Witness guy. To this day I do not blame him. He had courage. It takes real courage to sit down and not go along. He has more courage than I. I do feel sorry for the guy they made carry the two forty pound weights up the stairs though.
So eventually I got put on the exit. I was pulled from the squad before we got our guns. I think that was intentional. They required at least two people be with me at all times, but they didn't take away my shoe laces. They do that to identify actively suicidal people. I had started wising up by then and realized that they wouldn't let me commit suicide if I told them to full extent to which I was trying to kill myself. So I alway held back a bit to the councilor.
You see, I had determined by that point that I was worthless as a human being. I had decided that I simply had to die. Even if I got out of boot camp I was still intending to kill myself as soon as I got home. It was what I deserved.
I lasted five days in Boot camp. People can call me weak if they want. I don't mind. I've come to terms with my past and my own personal faults. I am who I am. Besides, it's just what people who don't know what it's like do. It's what people who have killed their spirit do.
Oh yes, you kill your spirit.
Let me tell you about the single worst moment of my entire experience in the army.
Let me tell you about the single worst moment of my life.
I was out of boot camp and in some place waiting for release from the army. I forget what it is called. It was still in the boot camp area and I went to a mess hall that was in the same area. Anyway, one day I was marching to the mess hall when I saw some new recruits who were getting off the cattle cars. They were running around terrified, just like I was when I was in their position.
I laughed. I enjoyed seeing them suffer. I thought it was great. I felt personally gratified by their pain.
And then I realized what I had just did.
That feeling, that laugh was the most horrible thing I have ever done in my entire life.
Those slogans and clips they show, those values they preach, they're bullshit. Pain does not beget honor and friendships. Pain begets pain. Pain begets evil. Any surface appearance of honor or integrity is just that, surface.
I was fully intending to kill myself when I got back. I had decided to kill myself by suffocation. I intended to leave in the middle of the night, walk out into the forest, put a plastic bag over my head, and go to sleep. I even had my suicide note written up. I forget what they were, but there were a few specific words said by my dad during the ride home from the airport that kept me from doing it. If they had come out only slightly different, I wouldn't be here today.
Still, my parents were... barely sympathetic. When I got back I was a sniveling, groveling, broken person who could barely keep from crying. That doesn't go over well when someone entire life experience says that hurting people helps them and helping people hurts them. My parents insisted that I not turn on a computer for a week since computer games were just an addictive drug. I was coaxed into going back to college and later got my degree. My parents declared the army to be the best thing that ever happened to me. My ability to get a degree now shows that I had gotten the "discipline" I needed in life, so my dad didn't have to reevaluate his core principles. Cognitive dissonance has been averted! Normality has been restored.
I lied about my grades. I didn't do nearly as well as I told my parents I did. And I only got through because I was too numb to think or do anything else. It would be years before I regained any sense of self-direction.
Oh, and it took three weeks of antibiotics to clear up the sinus infection, and another two until I had full hearing back.
I still consider the most important thing that one single moment where I was laughing at other people's pain. That one moment taught me more about the true nature of evil than any amount of lecturing or observing. I'm sorry people, but evil doesn't wear a black hat. True evil is almost aways considered good by most of society.
I've sworn to myself to never repeat that mistake, and to always be good. To be kind, gentle, and polite. To realise that helping people helps them and hurting people hurts them. And to always seek to increase the amount of pleasure in the universe.
Furthermore, I determined to seek an "alternative" to "strength", since I don't want to be like those people. I seek to cultivate "agility".
I have a fantasy of a Bartleby's Descent spinoff story called "Demon Boot Camp" where they break the training of that horrible place. The reveille plays, and demons march around quietly asking why everyone is getting up. We don't obey the rules here! Go back to sleep! I tried writing about it before, but always felt a quiet revulsion at the memories. I wonder if I would have more success now?
I wish the best of luck to Alex's friend, whoever he is. He is a stronger person than I.
FA+

And big thanks to linking to my journal. I will definitely link to yours in mine.
Dang. I was planning to get on the line with my cable internet provider to find out why my new computer won't get internet, but this business has preempted my attempts to setup a web server. But I don't mind. This was a good cathartic release.
Glad to hear it. Sometimes it's amazing how much talking about a bad experience and being listened to can help.
Evil is looking at someone on the social totem pole who is lower than you and laughing at their pain. Society may consider it "good for them"... that it "builds virtue". It's not and it doesn't.
If you're on the bottom and you break and give in, it's not your spirit that is truly evil. You were just made to be evil. It is the spirit that broke you and made you give in that is truly evil.
"Hello. I'm Jesus. Welcome to the pearly gates now that you just died. Nasty accident that was! Let's see, you have sins. Well, I want you to know that I could just wipe them away. I have it in my power to make all your problems disappear. It's really no big deal from my position as demi-god. But... I'm not sure that's what's best for you as a person! Suffering through the consequences of your actions is a necessary part of personal growth. I think it's best for you if I throw you in hell. I know it hurts, but true love is sometimes tough love. I don't want to be an enabler after all. That's all I'd be doing if I wiped away your sins, enabling you to sin more! So even though I could make all your problems go away with but a wave of my hand, I'm going to throw you into hell. It'll be better for you and you'll thank me for it in millennia to come."
That is a fucking *perfect* quote. Extremely true.
>Evil is looking at someone on the social totem pole who is lower than you and laughing at their pain. Society may consider it "good for them"... that it "builds virtue". It's not and it doesn't.
<nods> Every study I've seen on things like this indicates that positive reinfocement works *way* better than negative, and that punishments usually only teach how to punish.
>If you're on the bottom and you break and give in, it's not your spirit that is truly evil. You were just made to be evil. It is the spirit that broke you and made you give in that is truly evil.
This and your Jesus example do show the cruel side of life being a test. On the other hand, I usually imagine the afterlife as being more real than this one; as if this life is just like a holodek. We choose to live lives here in order to learn and gain new experience. If that's the case, then maybe this life is like one of those video games that monitor your karma, like Fallout 3?
It certainly wasn't >fun,< but Air Force Basic Training (they don't even CALL it boot camp) is a cake walk compared to other branches' BMT. I didn't enjoy it while I was in it, but I look back on it as an overall positive experience.
For people in Army basic training, the Air Force's BMT would be a vacation.
That is not, however, meant to be an endorsement or any kind of "no, it's not so bad, go for it!" or anything. I will always always ALWAYS try to keep anyone I see considering joining the military to seriously consider any other possible option. Now nine years later, and still, even the short and relatively "light" experience of Air Force basic training has left me with specific anxieties and stress triggers that I never had before going in.
Military training is sadistic and it changes you for life.
<extra hugs to make your mental booboos better> ;)
You've done that, hun. You more than helped us. You saved me and my family from going hungry and being thrown out on the streets when we were having really tough times.
You've said a lot that is all too true, and I just wish more people were capable of learning the lessons you speak of here without having to go through that degree of hardship to learn them.
That which does not kill you makes you stronger, but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck royally.
...just never all of it at once.
Kinda weird seeing it in, well, grey and black.
I disagree. If a team is composed of people with exactly the same mentality or tools and they are presented with an obstacle that their mentality or tools are not suited to, then they will fail and fail badly. Likewise, if the group has no common ground at all, they will not be able to coordinate as well. Therefore the best teams are those with enough common ground to work together, but with the wide availability of options and tools to use.
In short, I am not against the military in a metaphysical sense. I am against the military as it is currently structured. I feel that the military would be significantly more effective if alternative methods were pursued.
Our methods came from old times when we didn't have a better way to do things. We have better ways now, but the military rarely does something new until a defeat forces them to admit that things have changed.
As for doing things the way they used to, the Army embraced Six Sigma in 2002, seeing how well it worked for businesses. Six Sigma encourages the lowest-ranking employees, or soldiers in this case, to identify problems and recommend solutions. The most concrete effect of this program has been to improve supply, and save roughly two billion dollars a year. Despite this, people are expected to do push-ups, show up for formation, and yes, occasionally get shouted at.
In closing, can you name any other business that promotes form within as well as the Army does? When was the last time you've heard of someone's brother-in-law being made a general as a favor? Who was our last Secretary of Defense who didn't see combat?
Secondly, I work for the military. Sorry, but no go. It's a good old boy system. As for the generals, the highest command staff of the military has to be approved by the civilian government before appointment. If you'll remember correctly, a recent administration was guilty of appointing people based on ideological purity, or worse, based on campaign contributions.
Here's a question for you. You mentioned the holocaust. What is required to carry out a holocaust? I mean, Hitler wasn't the one standing there pulling the pesticide levers. So what is required to be otherwise ordinary and good people to do such heinous things?
Secondly, you work for the military. You aren't in the military. Yeah, becoming an officer is an appointment, but they generally don't appoint people without experience, democrat or republican. You've failed to answer THAT question, too. Name an unqualified general? Name one rich enough to make campaign contributions. You've made the accusation, you supply the names.
Thirdly, nobody had to teach the German people antisemitism in 1939. Ditto for the Poles, the Ukrainians, the Serbs, the Croats, the French or for that matter, the British. The Warsaw Ghetto wasn't built by the Nazis in 1939. It was built by Poles in the 1600s. Pogroms were common for centuries. Civilians ran the trains to the camps. Einsatztruppen were volunteers, not draftees, and were usually locals. Folks were happy to turn in their Jewish neighbors. Hell, if you want to blame someone, blame Martin Luther, The Catholics had mostly given up on overt antisemitism by the time Protestantism came on the scene. Individuals commit crimes. Nobody has as an excuse that they were forced to because of pep rallies and speeches.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are a "pinko-commie". Let's leave the Red Scare in the past where it belongs.
Now let's talk about "promote from within". If you want to get an official military rank, you have to be in the military. No one disputes that. However, the highest level of control does not belong to the military, but the President. He can appoint or listen to whomever he damn well wants. And if he orders the military to do something stupid, the military has to do it.
My example is General Eric Shinseki. He told Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz that over 100,000 would be required to occupy Iraq. This was when they were saying we'd be greeted with rose petals. They didn't like what he said and Shinseki "retired" shortly thereafter. His replacement passed the ideological test by telling the president what he wanted to hear. How many soldiers died because of this?
Now for the holocaust. Where are the concentration camps for African Americans in the deep south? Are you going to tell me that racism against blacks is no less powerful than antisemitism in Europe? Simply having prejudice isn't enough to cause a holocaust.
The components necessary for a holocaust are three-fold: Civil unrest or turmoil, a scapegoat, and small group of people willing to obey orders and keep the full consequences hidden from the general population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
An experiment was done called "The Milgram Experiement". It's repeatable. By simply using authority, you can get a percentage of the population to do just about anything, including torturing people. You could even get them to physically hold them down and torture them. The people involved didn't like what they were doing, but they went along because they did not feel it was their responcibility.
They were just obeying orders.
The individuality killing practices of the military make soldiers more like the people from the Milgram experiment who went along with the torture. That means that military training (as we currently practice it) is making available one of the primary components necessary for a holocaust in my own country.
I don't do "it can't happen here." So I protest.
Considering the number of deaths in Iraq, compared to, well, just about every war we've ever fought, someone's doing something right.
Ahh, the holocaust. Where are the concentration camps for blacks? Well, before the civil rights movement, the answer was 'everywhere'. Blacks had their own ghettoes. The police operated in them pretty much at will. lynchings were common. Civillian organizations, notably the Ku Klux Klan, operated openly. Laws were passed preventing blacks from owning guns they might defend themselves with. Courts regularly railroaded blacks. Oh, and you might remember that peculiar institution, slavery. There aren't any more slaves in Birmingham, and there aren't any more concentration camps in Warsaw. Antisemitism still exists, and so does racism. You'll notice that we beat both the Nazis and the South in war. With armies. We beat the crap out of them. We flattened Berlin, and we occupied the south. We occupied Berlin for, what? 40 years? We're STILL occupying the South.
I really can't agree with your description of Milgram, or of the military. Nobody had to obey orders to have a pogrom. Just offer some folks the chance to steal their neighbor's stuff and burn thir houses, after hundreds of years of propaganda telling them their neighbors are subhumans.
I don't do 'it can't happen here', either, but then, I can also recognize when an example isn't a personal attack. Look up 'paranoid delusions'.
Strength isn't everything. You are stronger and wiser than you give yourself credit for.
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I'm writing a Bartleby fan-tale with the working title "Hell is War." As can be imagined, it's about war and the military but, like most everything in the Reynardiverse, twisted to be fluffy, kinky, cute, and fun. I know how horrible real militaries are but, for some reason, I'm drawn to them as a concept. For what they could be. That, and I'm a sucker for non-sexual settings/professions getting sexualized.
My idea is that Mrs. S's takes her class on a field trip to a warzone. From there, it plays out like "paintball with live rounds." And weird, fun kinky weaponry too.
Reveille plays, and drill sergeants run around calling asking the soldiers why they're getting up. We don't obey the rules here! Go back to bed!