Well.. good to put it out there and address the problem. Quite the read

I get this a lot with a few of my friends into diapers, they tend to consistently try to get me to wear them.

In any event, hopefully you wont make the same mistake again. I still like your work.

LOL

what?

"my friends into diapers, they tend to consistently try to get me to wear them"

well its true.

Addictions can be really tough on every aspect of life, I know that very well myself. But at least you're recognizing when something has reach a point where it's unhealthy for you. That's more than a lot of people manage.

Who's cownugget

The FA search function does work.

i think that was sarcasm lol

i shouldn't comment on anything before my first coffee. x.x°

its ok because youre such a recognized artist the issue will probably forgotten. just like every time some big name artist does anything wrong. but the journal is a nice formality :P

I fail to see how being "popufur" is going to ever get my friend to like me again, and not view me as a disgusting stain in their history... but gee... AT LEAST I'LL HAVE THOSE PAGEVIEWS~~~ Boy howdy!!

Allow me to put some perspective on this :)


Someone *specifically stated* they did not like a certain something.

I knew this, and even though I am a friend, I attempted to do that specific thing.

It was more of a direct offense than it was a picture on the internet.

if your friend is so into a fetish that theyre willing to risk a friendship by getting art theyre not okay with then they're not a good friend. this person did wrong. many people are very attached to their characters because they put some of themselves in them and even work a lot on their backstory. that has nothing to do with addiction or being a bad friend.

You live, you learn.

you hang on to the edge of tommorow

Then you get pampers.

Sorry to hear that, it was a beautiful picture. Don't let a few asshats ruin it for you!

If you take nothing away from your experience other than learning not to make the same mistake again then you will be better off for having made it in the first place.

What else is there to take away other than all the regret and the loss? Is there something more you would like to see here?

What I meant was to learn from this and not do it again c:

..... oh

Apologizing and even feeling terrible about doing something would be meaningless if it were to happen again :< Beating yourself up about something doesn't really help, nor does dwelling on it for too long. Take what you can from the situation, learn from it, and leave it behind you and move on c:

The important thing is that you are owning up to it and that you know you did wrong. That's the first step in trying to fix things. Now your friend may not like you right now, but that doesn't mean things wont change in the future. It takes a lot of time for friendship and trust to be rebuilt, but it's also not impossible. Addictions can be a horrible thing and I have seen it happen first hand to many people I care for and love.

So I wish you good luck in fighting this and keeping control over everything and that you and your friend can eventually patch things up.

You're a good man GM and people sometimes make mistakes. Just remember that.

well atleast you came forward, and admit what you did was wrong, at best, i sure they'll learn to forgive you and try to resolve the matter soon. real friends sort out the issue and beat around it and ignore it .-.;;

hang in there dude -pats-

I've no advice to offer to this, even if you were seeking it. I know those feelings all too well. Been there, done that, got the crappy T-shirt. All I can say is that it takes a little time. You'll feel some better eventually.

Not going to do a 'Search' for "CowNugget"

Why?

'cause I'm not THAT much into vore, and even the few piccies I've looked at (and yes, even *SAVED*), is purely personal.

If you betrayed a Friend's trust? Hash it out with them. If they're real friends, it was a mere 'Brain Fart' moment on YOUR part, and you're really, REALLY disappointed in your actions?

You'll not do that again.

And all will be o.k. with the world, and you can move on.

I never see you as a bad person here GunMouth, I think you're a great person and seeing as how you address yourself how this is an issue you want to let out in the open, it makes you EVEN MORE enjoyable and more human then any one of us around here, sure I do love vore but it's nothing to be ashamed to enjoy. Things happen yes, but you're still someone who we enjoy any fetish/interest you draw out

We all love you GunMouth, no matter what; As long as you're true to yourself, you will always, and I do mean ALWAYS be the most enjoyable person around. ^^ To me I feel like I've gain a friend then just an artist I watched, and for that thank you for being such a well expressive human-being for us

You could argue that furry in on itself is a weird fetish that we all push and project on others, actively and passively.

That's not to alleviate what you were trying to do with your friends character, just saying we all do have our little or large fetish fantasy to harness and keep in check.
I guess the key would be to remind yourself that is IS weird.
Being weird isn't bad it just means you have to tighten the grip of your weird side.

Good luck repairing that friendship, as you wrote, friends should also be aware of each others addictions and quirks and learn to deal with them.

"Betrayal will spread a sort of decay through a friendship that you would never believe"
The best friendships are based on trust so, yes, that's now gone. It is good you publically posted about it though

Take this experience and learn from it is my best advice. We make many mistakes and often enough people get hurt. Though with time your friend might come to forgive you and put the past in the past and hopefully that is the case. Wishing the best for you though, I know you're not a bad guy

Patrick Star: Take it easy it's just a drawing.

I swear you furries handle everything so goddamn emotionally that it's no wonder people don't take you seriously. Grow the fuck up the both of you, none of you have my sympathy.

Wasn't asking for it, you secondary brass musical instrument.

Brass section think they can get away with ANYTHING

The ones who REALLY can are the second strings.

Secondary, yes. Tell that to every ska band that's existed.

No joke, it would be cool if they still existed.

Reel Big Fish is still touring, & The Skints. Dead my arse.

I fucking love Reel Big Phish.



I used to listen to ska all the time. Hell, I still have Five Iron Frency CDs!!

Yeah, I knew you were cownugget, had a very similar undeniable shared style. and I liked the art from both accounts.
And I feel like I was in similar situation, I had a friend who was into vore and I was too, so I got a drawing as a thankyou, but I tailored it more to my kinks than theirs because I'm short sighted and was /really/ into the idea. They seemed into it at first when it was done but I didn't hear much from them again afterwards so I think I sort of burned that bridge with a weird, weird fire.

So now looking back at it all I can see is guilt instead of...well the real reason I got it.

I didn't mean to make this about me, but I guess what I'm getting at is I can understand


P.S. also got into cock vore around the second grade, thought I was the only weird person for things happening that young.

We all make mistakes. Yes, easy to say I know but the start of getting past is admitting you did. And you have. Not sure how your friend is feeling now but I hope things can be resolved in a way that sees things become less that what they were.

Addiction in any form is a bitch to deal with do I hope you are able to find the help you need.

bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

You are as strange as an aliens balls man and usually I can peg people pretty fast and I haven't pegged you quite yet and I'm not talking in the sexual way which would be weird because I think I'd have to be wearing some kinda boob-tit prostetic and using a strapon which would be nanners because looking down I'd be like https://www.youtube.com/v/jlb6nGgHs.....=66&end=67 and the answer would be under the siliconodong I guess but in light of that and this new information you've provided I'd wonder if I should bang Gunmouth at all because "oh hey, is he more of a (metaphiorical) buttass than his actual buttass" or whatever but before deciding that I'd examine what happened here in the form of like ok let's say you're standing in front of a cookie and (I guess to appease the "addiction," which is actually just more like a something you're enthusiastic about, you can imagine it's a cookie eating another cookie lol) but anyway the main point is that you want to eat that cookie-eat-cookie cookie and the person who cooked the cookie is right there with arms folded going "don't you fucking eat my cookie-eat-cookie cookie you little shiiiiit" and you're like trying not to because you know it's bad and you slap your own wrist but it looks sooo good so alas you give in and do that time honored (outward) thing called fucking up that everyone does wherein you know what you did is wrong and so you reach that time honored (inner) crossroad of "do I feel terrible" or are you like "yay evil" and hey check it out in this instance you not only feel terrible but you informed like...the whole world that you're terrible which is just a little poopstrong nuts and nanners but that happens so like yeah but anyway you choose the non-dickmode path at that juncture so cool but that does earn you a bit of a dip in the pool of "I kinda hurt someone's feelings probably" which is just a consequence of eating cookie-eat-cookie cookies that the cook cooked for the cook.

SO NOW

that's where you have to sit for a bit and reflect which is lame because everyone pees in that pool and pee doesn't reflect all that well and also your options in the pool are limited. You can pee, which is refreshing but doesn't get you anywhere. You can splash piss at everyone, which is angry drama, a dick move, but it doesn't look like you're gonna do that. You could drink some pee, which is theatrical drama, which is a little like posting this journal cause drinking pee is a little weird when everyone is watching (and also when everyone is not watching) but again, you're a little weird so that's you know, ok and maybe expected and just adds to your quarks as character and isn't a reason to hate yourself either :v but the main thing you should do in the pool is hope and plan.

You can hope that the baker isn't so pissed off about the cookie that they never want to talk to you again. You can hope that if they do bail on you, they have the grace to not throw the oven into the pool while it's still plugged in because then you'd be pisslectricuted. You can also hope that the lesson was good enough that you don't have to learn it again in the future.

The best thing you can do is plan. You can plan how to brace for impact if they bail, because that means you have to stay in piss pool pretty much until you can make your way to one of those ladders where you climb out and your shorts cling to your dick and it sucks. If you never formulate a plan you'll drown (in piss)

But the very best plan you can make is how to be a better friend in the future no matter what happens.

Dork v:

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Oh god. You're a walking stream of consciousness being spouted. Never change, you crazy diamond.

People have done much worse things in this fandom... I'm certain this is something you can recover from, if you wish to take the steps to address and learn how to recover from it. There are ways to output your addictions and vices in healthy ways, and learn to overcome them.

I think that you shouldn't worry so much about what people think of you. The people that dislike you, really are not worth your time. Your time is much better spent hanging out and finding people who like you for who you are. If you change for the better, then the people who dislike you may notice and talk to you again. You never know.

I think admission is a healthy first step.

*Nods*

I would hope that this journal is proof that I am not too bothered by what people think of me. It's just... I dunno. I don't lose friends. Not like this anyway... Worst thing is I could have easily avoided it simply by doing something as common as talking to my roomie about internet bullshit. The interest would have passed, and I would still have my friend.

Uh oh. Here we go~

And from what I can read here you know a thing or two about shitposts.

I've been on the receiving end of stuff like this (people trying to get me to do stuff/ doing things behind my back) and I forgave them, might take a little time but you are brutally honest with it and people respect that kind of thing.

To err is human, we all have a blip now and then some more extreme than others.

So like. It seems like you fucked up big time. :U

But it's up to you to let it eat you alive or not. I won't pat you on the butt and say "Oh boy you're okay." Cause dat's fucked up. I won't tell you to shame yourself, or go on about advice bullshit.

But uh, you know whats best.

Hope you feel better. And clean up the cat piss with vinegar. (Oops, I lied. I gave advice.)

And here I thought this was about the artist beware.

I will deal with Artist Becrucified soon. I am well aware of it all.

You did read the posting, right?

No advice

Shit happens

Here's a clip:




You shouldn't watch it.

Don't watch that!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZrSRV1NhY



I'm sorry v.v

Thought maybe this was another post about being broke or owing commissions or something. Hope this problem works out for ya, or clears up or whatever should happen for it to be positive.

So was this like ... Soft vore.. or GNOM GNOM GNOM Vore?

It was soft vore. No gnomes were hurt in the construction of the idea.

WELL.. It seems most people in this journal have took the words out of my mouth and I don't really wanna sound like a broken record and repeat pretty much what one person has said but I gotta agree with a handful who commented!
If you feel like you've betrayed someone even if it's someone close.. Try and address the problem, even apologise if they don't accept it then they're just as bad as you are!

But for real, I don't think I could have said it any better than a good few people who commented
Slap yourself into shape! Man up and realise that life isn't all sunshine and rainbows sometimes you'll lose a friend here and there but you'll gain more over time and the people true to you will stay with regardless of how much you fucked up <3

Learn from it.

Talk to them.

Y'know, what everyone else said.

Dude. Perspective.

People are being shot, blown up, dropped off fucking buildings for being gay.

To conflate your dickish behavior to your friend as being the worse person in the world? It's melodramatic and makes you a bigger dick that you already were previously.

You fucked up with your friend, you'll both keep breathing. Perspective.

I understand that what I did is far from something as crazy as killing.

And yeah... I guess it would seem rather melodramatic-- but I really fucking feel BAD about it, so I wrote it out.


Figured I'd rather do that than make vent art, I guess.

At least you are man enough to own up when you fuck up.

give it time my man

You learn by making huge fuck ups like this. This friend of yours may still hate you for this, but at least you are showing that you are willing to change on how you are to better both yourself and your relationship with them. But calling yourself the worst person in the world? Hardly. Famous Evil Dictators, Cult Leaders, and Congress members hold that title.

So stop beating yourself up on your own mistakes like this. Give them time to be angry at you, then talk to them when anger subsides a little bit. The results of what you did this time will not be in your favor as they will decide on what to think about you. However, you owe it to yourself to do this for your friend. Because only then, will it bring you to some closure on this whole ordeal, rather it be good or bad.

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You fucked up. You fucked up like people use to do.

Analyse your mistakes, take your time to feel like shit. It's natural. Then you try to not let that hppen again. End of story.

I recently lost a friend of 7 years due to mistakes made on my part, and their part. The hollow spot they left will never be filled by another, and instead I have filled it with self-loathing, hate and bitterness...seems I prefer this to trying again, not wanting to feel the way I did that day ever again. The more friends you have, the worse things get (it seems, at least for me).

I'm not sure it's accurate to call it an addiction-- let's be honest here; for some, and it seems to be in your case, vore is a fetish that's biologically ingrained itself since your development stages. It's probably not just a "habit" you can kick without repressing yourself to an unhealthy level. The key is just finding a way to balance it with the rest of your life and to know when to restrain your urges. Just remember it's part of your sexuality and treat it as such. If you keep that in perspective, you realize going "mmm bby u wanna digest me" is more or less the same thing as "mmm bby u wanna suk my dik". This community is full of all types-- some who welcome it, some who don't, and you just gotta gauge that in your interactions with others and adjust accordingly. You don't need a twelve-step program, you need a reality check-- your love of vore is, at some level, a manifestation of your sexual urges. You don't involve someone else in that without their consent, and trying to pressure someone into it is SUPER CREEPY.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's step back and take stock: You got FIXATED an idea you really liked with someone who was really not into it. As people often do, you over-eagerly pursued what you wanted without considering how this other person felt about it. Your thinking of it as "a simple business transaction" without considering the context of involving their character probably made it easier for you to ignore the fact that you were making your friend extremely uncomfortable. You got too excited, tried too hard to get your way, and failed to notice you'd blatantly crossed a line until way too late. Close enough?

Yes, you fucked up, big time. Yes, you really hurt someone you cared about. No, I am not going to downplay that fact or rub your shoulders and tell you everything will sort itself out. What's done is done, you'll have to live with that. But saying you don't want forgiveness is just self-flagellation, it's bullshit. Maybe you don't feel you deserve forgiveness, maybe you won't even get it. But being dramatic about it isn't going to get you anywhere, and you owe it to them to TRY to set things right, even if it seems impossible.

First, calm down-- like I said, it's done, it's not going to get worse. Take some time to reflect on it, understand what you did and why. This sounds harsh, but here it is: blaming an addiction is blaming a sickness. Sorry to say it, but you're not sick. This wasn't the symptom of a disease, it was a personal failing: you acted selfishly and insensitively to try to get what you wanted. Take responsibility for it, learn from it, determine that you're not going to do it again. Once you've cleared your head, THEN try to talk about it. No excuses, no piteous self-loathing, no sobbing repetitions of empty I'm Sorry's. Just be sincere, own up to your mistakes, and give them the opportunity to say what they want to say. Maybe they'll respond, maybe they won't. Maybe your friendship can be mended, maybe it'll never be the same, maybe it's over for good. But you'll have done the right thing, and the choice will be up to them, as it should have been from the beginning.

That's all I got for ya. Good luck and God bless, man. Feel free to send me a note if you want to talk.

When I said "I don't want forgiveness" that was directed to pretty much everyone who is not involved.

I DID ask the person I offended for forgiveness.

As for blaming the addiction -- I am blaming MYSELF, not the addiction. I am simply admitting to myself, and others, that I have one. When you are addicted, getting that one thing becomes more important to you than anything, and yes, you make acute, hasty decisions, because the excitement has already accelerated to maximum warp drive. My personal failing was giving in, despite what I knew was wrong.

But hey, you can't punch a person in the face and expect them to be ok with it anytime soon. I pretty much have to live out my punishment, which is the loss of a friend. People can scoff and say what they want, but to me it's pretty darn painful. Even if we ever become friends again, speaking terms may be tarnished forever, and the damage will still be known. It just sucks. The end.

I don't know you very well, but you were always really nice to me, you're definitely not the worst person ever for this. All things heal with time, even NC vore pics. Everyone makes really bad mistakes sometimes, (ones wayyyyy worse than this) but all you can really do is try to learn some self control, forgive yourself , apologize and do what you can to make it right.

My advice: You tell that soft ass motherfucker to EAT A DICK! Don't shame me for the shit I like!

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/52200235.jpg

"Edgy reply and using a meme: Wow! That is your average furry right there! Go back to drawing cub porn. Is that not your thing?"



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Please see me after class...

You try soooo haaaard, and get sooo faaaaaaaaar



In the end, it doesn't even maaaatteerrrrrrrr~

It's not kinkshaming. I pretty much did EXACTLY what a friend told me they hated. It's a direct offense.

Welp all i can say is this,
You are grown and you can make choices, However keep in mind the consequences of them weather theyre good or bad is up to you to decide.
You are also not responsible for the choices other people make nor their feelings. The only thing you can do is change how YOU roll. This appears to be one of those times when you are to learn from this and better yourself from it. If youre into something that is your right to be, but out of respect for others they dont need to be involved in it, thats how it goes.

Try to chin up and move forward with your life. staying stuck dwelling on a mistake you made isnt doing anything positive for you.

So, the issue here is you used a fictional character from one of your friends without permission in a situation they dislike? I mean yeah that's kinda dickish, but uh...THAT'S FUCKING NOTHING YOU PRECIOUS LITTLE BABY FUCK! This is nothing, literally nothing. You were at most just an idiot, your friend is a bleedy cunt and if they really hate your for this then they're not really worth keeping around, any sensible person would just be like "Man, that was not cool, please don't do that again. :0"

Fuck off with this "oh man! I'm hitler over here! PLEASE CHASTISE ME! DON'T BE LIKE ME, I AM SIN INCARNATE!" It helps neither you, neither your friend and neither us, all it does is further hurt and offend people.

First of all.. the way your friend seems to be making this out is deliberately kink-shame-y, from what I'm reading. Now, I know that it probably wasn't the best thing to do either regarding hounding out for the picture to be made.. but everyone has their vice that sooner or later, they'll have to get a handle on. In the grand scheme of those, however, this is far from the worst sort of addiction in the world.

Bear in mind, however, that doesn't make the situation any less.. I'm not suite sure how to put it.. 'lesser'?. Lesser of an addiction than anything else, I know any kind of addiction can be costly in some way or another.

I can't quite add on too much else from what people have been saying in the above comments so far, and I know there's not much a person could say that would -easily- fill that empty space of losing a friend (even if.. it was something REALLY trivial to lose them over), but there's a fuck-ton of others that would definitely have your back in situations like this -- In the sense of like.. again, my words fail me today.. perhaps a good aura of positive energy. Peer pressure is what it comes down to.

Now, I myself don't personally believe that THAT was a good reason to end a friendship on his part, in fact.. is WAS on the very petty side of things. And if he was so easily offended by something so SMALL as that.. I don't personally believe he's as good a friend as what I myself would make him out to be. Now, I don't know your experiences with him, maybe he was just having a bad day when he found out? Either way.. like said above, the best course of action would be to talk it out.

Oh, man.. I'm going on a bit of a tangent. If it would help matters at all, I wouldn't mind talking over notes at all on either my "Spazman" or current account, perhaps over notes. I'm always free to lend an ear, when possible.

I will say it again. There was no kinkshaming here.


A friend said, "Hey, I hate THIS. Hopefully nobody EVER DOES THIS, because THAT WOULD REALLY HURT ME~"


Knowing this, I DID IT ANYWAY~~~ They found out. They are upset. They have a right to be, because how can you trust someone whose first offense is one of the things that you DELIBERATELY STATED would offend you the most?

Trust was not broken, it was nuked from fucking space.

I retract my previous statement on the kinkshaming, but the point still remains. Addictions are a bitch and they're a bitch to get rid of. An apology isn't going to cure anything, but it's sure as hell a decent first step towards patching things up.

I have the same problem with footpaw's. I like them. I don't know why I like them. I think it's weird and silly. And yet I can't stop.

I know you're a good guy at heart. Even overwhelmed most of the time with your work, i don't get to say much to you. (not that i'm interesting in any way)

I'm addicted to vore just like you are. However i sometimes struggle to control myself from pushing or pestering for things, mostly because of my adhd and the fact i don't know when to stop, till it's too late.

What were you pushing to to be drawn? Someone being apred?

I guess that's not the point. But that you came out, and admitted your mistake, so that means you're a pretty honorabu guy. You are sorry, but you don't need to put yourself down over it, Sure it was a bad thing and you hurt a friend, but admitting your mistake is the best road to recovery and healing of the friendship, sure it'll take a while between you both, but if you both are good friends then you will move on from it together.

Keep your chin up and keep doing what you do.

Man, you are on a QUEST~~~!!

A quest.... FOR BURIED TREASURE!!!





One-Eyed Willy's GOOOOOOOLLLLLD~~~~!!!

I still think you are a nice person.

At least you do not have a fetish for Sonic roboticization and hypnosis, while running a radio drama called Neo-Robia... Yep, some people have issues.

I've been in a position (a few times) where I have discovered my characters being used without my permission, not just in RP sense, but having people draw their characters fucking mine and all sorts. What upsets me the most is when artists go ahead with these things, and then go ahead and ask whether or not it was okay. I mean if I ever get a commission request that I'm unsure about the parties involved, even if they say 'permission has been given' I always double check to be sure. Surprisingly enough I've had a few that had no idea about it.

ANYWAY.
It is a bit of a naff thing to do - But you know you did wrong, and you know it shouldn't have happened. Always always make sure permission is given, and always always respect peoples wishes, even if they say no. I know how much a fetish can take over, I mean I kinda used to push it on my partner wanting to draw him in certain scenes and such. Although he didn't mind, I know deep down it probably made him feel a bit uncomfortable, so I stopped and I haven't done anything since, not unless he's specifically asked me to (which is never haha).

Though the biggest thing here is that you've owned up to it, and you've been honest. MANY MANY people out there are not, and still aren't even though they know its wrong, or just don't really care. Lord knows how much stuff is kept private and offline that many of us don't know about.

So thanks for being an adult about it.

"WHEN THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO BURN YOU SET YOURSELF ON FIRE!!!"

-From a song I know, but forgot the artist and song name...

http://i.imgur.com/EddCCA9.gifv

what

https://gyazo.com/a10c0cb6142d15103d4919c9fb4daba1

No seriously man.... they LOVE you.



Let it go.

Let the storm rage OOOOOOOON~~~~~~







































The cold never bothered me anyway~

The fact that the art never got made to begin with and the way this is written implies that friendo of yours wasnt really even your friend to begin with.

My friend has every right to be angry.

The offense was direct. Whether the art was made or not would have been on the artist-- and they never did, so they are faultless.

wat

this whole page needs to go up on cringe channel

It's difficult for any of us as spectators to form opinions when out of context, we don't know who was involved or how it went down. I'm gonna do my best to try and provide constructive help anyway.

Are you seeking redemption with your friend by shaming yourself to this extent like this? You are deprecating your interests, your alias, your social standing and most alarming, the value of your own life. I could not call myself a friend to anyone should public shaming be the only vessel for resolution.

If they cannot accept a normal apology, then perhaps that friendship was not as genuine as it appeared prior. There are bound to be others within the community that have similar interests to your own, where you can be happy to be you, rather then what others want you to be.

To be honest, I can't say this journal is any one thing...


You could say this journal is like a WARNING. This person did this one thing, which means there is a possibility of it happening AGAIN. Could be to ANYONE. This way everyone knows, and anyone will have the ability to call me on it if I ever try it again.

You could say that this is some sort of self punishment. Some might see it unnecessary, because the damage of losing a friend is enough, but for some reason... I dunno, I guess I think I deserve to give people the opportunity to frown upon what I have done...?

Redemption is kind of a moot point right now. As many have stated, time will probably be the only thing that heals this. I could be wrong, maybe the simple memory of good times will somehow resurface, and they will want that back-- but even if they did, the guilt would weigh heavy for a long, long while.

A lot of people are saying, "Maybe it wasn't that deep of a friendship to begin with." While I appreciate the comfort that is meant with these words, they are from an outside perspective, and in a way it shoves blame upon the offended party, which is suuuuper unfair. The fault is on ME, not them.

I'm coming to the realization recently that life is all about making mistakes. You can't walk through it without falling flat on your face sometimes (as I've recently done as well).

I won't give you asspats. because they won't help, and you'd resent me for trying.

What I will say is this: You fucked up. Fell flat on your face. Now you've got a nosebleed and two choices:

1. Accept the mistake. Get up, move forward, and try to be a better you.

2. Stay down.

Decide.

I always try picking #1 in regards to these things. It is all one really can do.


I won't stay down, but I'll be limping for a long while.

What's important is that you caught yourself and realized what was going on. This is a chance to learn and do better next time a situation like this arises :)

welp from my perspective, both parties were at fault and the results afterwards should of been handled with a rational mindset of an adult instead of how it ended. give the other party space and if they want to still be your friend after that, then go from there. not much you can really do until then. as long as you learned from it.

and fuck beebe...that cat needs to stop being a dick and act right... stop pissing everywhere... leaving stains in the carpet.

no. its how the other party reacted to the situation. granted dick move on his part in pushing it but its how the other party reacted to the situation. and obviously you dont know the full situation unless your either gunmouth or someone from the other party involved in this. from this journal alone you dont get the full story. all gunmouth was doing was saying he made a dick move and now he has to live with it. he made the journal instead of making vent art. either way the situation has happened and you cant go back an change it.

this is just my opinion, and if you dont like it then move on. simple enough.

Stop talking to Donro.

It may seem irrational to some, but believe me, the reaction and feelings on the offended party's behalf ARE justified.

Ok first of all-- The people who are like "LOL!!! I KNEW HE WAS AN ASSHOLE!!! ANYONE WHO STILL SUPPORTS HIM ONLY DOES SO BECAUSE HE'S POPULAR." Ignore them. They're the kind of people who were just waiting for you to fuck up someway so they could try to cut you down.

Moving on-- Everyone fucks up. Everyone makes selfish choices every now and then and of course, they piss off people close to them every now and then too. This is completely normal. You shouldn't have to verbally self-crucify yourself in public to try to right your wrongs.

I can only take what you said in the journal as 'verbal crucifixion' since you started it off with "I do not want forgiveness, nor do I seek compassion or understanding.". What did you really want then? What was the point of parading it like this?

And furthermore as said...
"Are you seeking redemption with your friend by shaming yourself to this extent like this? You are deprecating your interests, your alias, your social standing and most alarming, the value of your own life. I could not call myself a friend to anyone should public shaming be the only vessel for resolution."
I couldn't agree more with this statement. If this friend-- or well ex-friend made you feel low enough about yourself that you thought this was the first step to redeeming yourself then, it probably isn't worth it.

Finally. Just take some time to yourself and get yourself back together. After some time has passed and you've recollected your thoughts, then maybe go and try to apologize to said friend and see if theirs a possibility of becoming friends again. If not? It wasn't meant to be, I guess.

Also another thing to ignore-- The people saying the friend was being too 'dramatic' and 'kink-shaming' you. Bullshit. Even if they were into vore, that's no reason for them to allow any and every depiction of their character to be portrayed just because. It's their character and they should only allow what THEY are comfortable with to be drawn. Peroid.
Even ENTERTAINING that line of thought leads to a very selfish mindset.

Hope you can get it together and get over this soon, tho.

I am not trying to crucify myself. I guess in many ways I just want people to know of what I am capable of, in hopes of somehow keeping myself from repeating offences.

The rest of it is just me converting tears into text. People can look at it however they please.


I welcome all the bullshit entailed. If people cast stones, they'll be stones I handed them. Drama is pointless. Nobody can do worse than what has already happened, and nobody can fix it.


I will say again, the offended party has every right to be upset.


YES, I will move on, and I am sure someday I will be back up to speed. Please believe me when I say I will move forward and try to better myself from this.

I don't feel casting stones is necessary. You have already come to terms with your mistake and have learned from it.

Hmm. I'm still not sure this was necessary but if this is how you vent and how you think you're going to better yourself then hey-- I won't stop you. You do you.

Maybe after lots of time has passed the wounds will heal and your friend will feel like forgiving you at some point? Either-way I'm sure you learned your lesson either way, tbh.

Wow. This is neurotic.

Ya done goofed.

A-hyuk

You fucked up. You cannot change that, and you may not be able to fix it, but you can make sure this doesn't happen again. Although i will say this whole situation, from an outside perspective, is super over-dramatic. I mean, what are you hoping to gain from this journal? It's not gonna help things between you and the other guy. For like 99% of people, revealing some other alias and that you happen to be into vore just flat-out isn't going to matter. I don't like vore myself, but other people are into it so whatever. It's the kind of subject that most people are honestly pretty blasé about.

Mistakes were made. Everyone does stupid shit at some time or another. Try to make sure you don't do... any of this again. It's that simple.

Yeah, as everyone has stated, I don't have much to do aside from what is obvious: 1.) Apologize profusely to the offended party (Done. Here and to them in person) 2.) Accept that I have made a huge failure (Currently doing this). 3.) Try to better myself, despite feeling like shit (This journal being the first step)

Honestly, this is nothing new, I see people use others characters without permission, in situations they would hate a lot. I wont name names, but I'm fairly sure people I know have used you as an artist to perpitrate this thing, likely multiple times.

I'm sure this sort of action isn't even limited to vore. I don't know why some are surprised, or appalled, I guess they just have had rose coloured glasses, alternatively, I imagine some people secretive about doing the same would act like it's bad, that sort of behavior is commonplace (shaming others for something bad you do yourself.)

Sometimes I do wonder if, and what people may have commissioned involving anything I've made. But I guess ignorance is bliss.

o3o) This is the most mixed comment section ever. Like the fuck is going on?

Still I think you are still the better man for admitting your faults. I am not gunna shame you, but I want to understand that if you know you made a mistake, then you can learn from it and grow from it.

I'm sorry to hear you have lost what sounds like was a very valued friendship. I've had a few friendships go south and it's always rough because you get a grocery list of what-ifs and maybe-could-have-done-thats.

I think a thing a lot of people seem to be overlooking is at the core of it, it likely isn't even the kink itself that was the problem so much things like this showcase a lack of respect. Like...am I going to care if anon20185 is drawing dick-tiddies on one of my characters? Not really. I don't like it granted, but I'm not going to lose sleep that someone I don't know at all who obviously has no interest in me outside of the characters I create being the vessel for their current fetish has done that. But it would be very different from a friend whose opinions I respect and admire. If I had told someone "Yeah. That kind of thing makes me uncomfortable" and I found out they tried to do it behind my back...it would sting a lot. Not because of the kink, but because it would feel like "oh hey...I guess they didn't really care that much about me over getting some art." and it can cause a person to really feel devalued. And combined with the possible feeling of "oh they tried to do it behind my back because they knew I wouldn't like it"...it would really suck.

That said, I think at your core you are a really kind and good person. Imperfect like we all are, and I hope that going forward you won't fall into a repeat of what happened. And I do hope that perhaps some of the friendship you had with your friend can be salvaged, even if it may never be the same. But I think you have a lot of wisdom with you man. The mettle to say "I am going to try to do better even if there is no forgiveness at the end" is really difficult...a lot of folks sometimes fall into the trap that forgiveness is the end goal when really it is more that hopeful side bonus that may never come.

Yes, Mab, yes! That is exactly it. The damage is done, the pain is there, and the best I can fucking do is learn and change the best way I can.

I think you should have kept it between yourselves :(

NOW you tell me...



GOSH!!!!

Sorry dude, geez.

I know you want it public so it shows your sincerity. But it also opens up a place for your fans to talk shit about your friend, which has already happened. So if your friend was already hurt, imagine if they read all of those comments?



That's all I'm saying.

I figured that is why I never mentioned his name. If I was vague, nobody would be able to make accusations without reasonable amounts of information.


I really hope they are not saddened by those statements though...

I hope everything works out for ya!

All is going.... exactly according to plan....




MWAAAAHAAHAAHAAAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmm

Not entirely sure what to make of this. Really, matters should have been left out of the public eye and delt with in private with your friend. This journal kinda just... came out of nowhere, and for someone looking at it from the outside with no real context, it just looks like an attention grab.

Guess what I'm trying to say is, why do you need so many people to agree and say "yeah, you fucked up." When you already know that yourself? Just accept your mistakes a learn from them. There's no need to humiliate / shame yourself publicly. :/

For some, that's the only way to start the process of self-forgiveness. In order to even begin to attone for any transgressions, some people simply have to feel there was a proportionate punishment to fit the crime. In his case, he feels the punishment for his betrayal IS coming out to everyone about it, and letting everyone see the weight of what he did. I don't agree that he had to do this, but I understand why.

It's just a drawing.

I'm sure someone has said this, but the first part of dealing with an addition is admitting you have one. And yeah, to many having an "art addiction" sounds like something silly, but it is a true thing. People can become addicted to most anything.

NOW, it's a matter of acting on this knowledge you've come to realize about yourself and maybe even being up front with people about it. Perhaps even speaking with some of the people you feel you've done the "push" thing on before (even if you personally didn't mean any harm" may be therapeutic as well.

a lot of people here [mainly popufurs from what i see] are bitching you made a public journal about it.

Well, it's not really their place to say one way or another, and if venting to the public is what helps you man, then go for it. Shit like this can happen and you gotta move on though. From the brief time we hung out you seemed really cool, and from our convos I made it clear that I also didnt have an interest in drawing my chars in a vore situation with you either. The thought of my chars being involved in it would make me uncomfortable, of course. but as a person i moved on and let it go/changed topics/etc cause you're a cool, chill, sweet dude who has his fetishes and who cares. I have my own quirks [lol sizeplay] and sometimes I have people say stuff about it too but whatever who cares, its furry porn one way or another lol. This journal if anything shows me you're an adult, and all the people belittling you for coming out should feel ashamed, as it takes far more balls to publicly admit fucking up when you're elevated by the masses as someone of 'importance' or 'popularity' than it does if you're just a fish in the sea.

I apologize for doing so, and for any grief that came along with it.

This is the kind of thing I was talking about. The thinking gets dangerous, where you think "it's all just words and money, and if nothing gets drawn, then whatever." But it's also... SUPER FUCKING ANNOYING, and I totally understand how it would upset you.

Won't happen again.

Well you know my stance on this, dude. Just need to move on and learn from your mistakes. :\

I read through 145 comments (minus those "Hidden by the Administration") and one thing sticks out:

It was stated in the journal that the offending picture was never drawn.

So how did the character owner get wind of what appears on the surface, to be words between you and the artist you were attempting to commission?

I'm assuming that either the artist felt uncomfortable about the situation and eventually asked the character owner what was up, Leaving Gunmouth red-handed--or after the artist firmly told him 'no', he admitted it himself to his friend out of guilt?

I don't draw vore and I'm not interested in anything beyond maybe just a humorous picture without anything extreme (no digestion or anything), and I remember on skype being a little off-put when you wouldn't take my initial no for an answer when it came to drawing something that had digestion. But it didn't go any further after the conversation stopped so that was that. I think you just really need to take "no" seriously when it comes to content people are comfortable being in/drawing. People make mistakes, you just need to respect boundaries in the future.

Well, I am glad in your case that I stopped. I apologize for any discomfort that I caused.

Hey you know? Good on you for saying something and being a big enough person to admit it. Still sucks that a friend was lost over it. I can at least sympathize with the friend-loss part.

What you was trying to do, and apparently did not even get to happen, was wrong. Sure. You see and accept that.

But it's not that big of a deal, and a real friend wouldn't be lost over something like that. Make up and move on.

My question is this.... What artist ALLOWS such a commission to be made WITHOUT the OTHER persons permission?
I mean if it was a vore pic of a character that is NOT yours then that artist SHOULD HAVE CONTACTED THEM!

Since when was it the artist's responsibility to make sure shit is kosher with the other person?

Well you have said many times yourself. I have seen it with my own eyes in your streams.
If someone wanted to commission something involving a character that WASN'T there's
YOU wanted consent from that individual.

Same goes for me I won't unless I KNOW the other person is cool with it. Don' reply to
me as if you don't already do what my original comment meant. He said the character wasn't
his and the artist did it anyway, uh no you get permission first.

At least that's how you use to be, I dunno now since you make your living off others characters
now so I guess maybe I'm wrong? Gee maybe unblocking you was a mistake since once again
you can't follow your own advice and IGNORE and move on.

I've had a similar incident with a client because they were getting a gift for two former friends that pitched a fit because they didn't like me, but have received gift art from them before. But imo it's really situational, it wasn't the approached artist's fault that Gunmouth tried to do what he did, which is why I asked why the artist is being blamed when they were totally innocent, and ignorant of the situation altogether.

The only reason why I prefer people to ask their friends first before doing gift art is because I'd rather not have a repeat of that incident, but it's not my job to ask every single person that is getting gift art that I have to draw for if it's kosher or not.

Also, dude, the passive-aggressiveness you're giving off really isn't necessary. Like...not necessary at all.

You did it to my cousin and I too when she was living with me. You wouldn't let
her get the pic for me of my scrafty and her espeonair hybrid WITHOUT my consent.
I was in your stream that day too long time ago yes but literally almost every time someone
wanted a stream comish you asked for the others permission.

I know it was mostly gunmouths fault but no matter what as artists to protect
ourselves we need to know if it's cool or are we doing something that could be offensive.
Without the proper permission how would we know?

Well you always preached if it bothers you ignore and move on. Besides having the
problems I have atm yeah I'd say I stay pretty pissed off. I'm trying to work on it
but I just got done losing everything including loving pets and almost a husband
who is now 70% disabled according to the surgeons that I have to bathe among other things
so yeah I'm not in the best of moods. Not easy trying to make it after losing everything..

That was after aforementioned incident that I had with the prior client when I got a little more anal about gift commissions depending on what it was.

It wasn't "mostly" Gunmouth's fault, it was entirely his fault (Sorry, Matt, but you fucked up here)

Why...do you always do that. I just didn't agree with the sentiment that the artist was partially to blame because Gunmouth approached them with a fetish commission, which, as odd as it is, it part of the "norm" in the furry fandom. It wasn't the artist's fault that they were approached to do a business transaction under false pretenses. That's it It has nothing to do with disagreeing with you personally. e__e;

That's kinda fucked up but plz dont off yourself over fucking furry fetish art, that's just silly.

It's not the fetish, it's the breach of trust.

Not going to lie, that IS a dick move and you should definitely feel bad. But, you understand what you did, you recognize it, you feel bad, and you want to keep that from happening again. Hopefully you become a better person for it and I dunno, we can make a lifetime original movie out of it.

We'll call it.

'Change Comes From The Inside'

A great deal of these comments seem to miss the point. A beach of trust is ridiculously hard to repair. You probably won't get that back. I hope your friend forgives you.

People talking about 'genuine friendships' and whatnot just don't get it.

^

Hm. So this is a PSA then.

The More You Know ----====))@)

yeah honestly im not gonna sugar coat it thats really fucked up. someone close to me attempted to get porn of my fursona with theirs and i havent spoken to them since. it made me feel violated and disgusting because i put a lot of work and time into my characters (im a writer) and get very attached to them. the fact that someone who was close to me was willing on risking their relationship with me for art that they KNEW would make me feel uncomfortable hurt me pretty badly.

the fact that you can admit you did wrong is good. i hope that you continue to grow and improve.

That cat is a fucking asshole.

She is just very old... :(

I have an addiction, several in fact. I know and recognize it, and my friends as well.
We all deal with it, and rules and limitations have been set up, the main one being: would you be ok if you character was in [insert addiction/fetish situation]?
If answer is yes: party!
If answer is no: move on or find other character!

You should draw more analvore

This is all very silly. The furry fandom was founded on drawing porn of other peoples fictional characters

Fetishes are fine as long as you are still functional and don't hurt other people with yours. Admitting you made a mistake is the first step to not doing it again, plus apologizing of course. The the person you hurt some gift art. It can't hurt.

Well... you know my feelings on this. Probably.
I wish I would have been a better friend to you, but I guess our addictions kind-of played off each other. I'll try to keep this journal in mind if we speak again and not be as quick to think I have to draw/write things to keep your friendship (something that's always been a problem of mine), that way if we do talk again I'll know it's because I'm more than just someone to use for fetish stuff. Good luck with all this... really.
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