Why I do my birthday raffle - the importance of ref sheets.
9 years ago
I have been getting some questions regarding why I do my birthday reference sheet raffle; people asking why I don't just offer a chibi or something; why I put in so much effort to offer a full reference sheet as a prize. That requires a fairly long answer and I've been getting asked this fairly often so I figured I'd make a journal out of it instead of just trying to retype it a bunch of times.
SO.
I can't stress enough how important reference sheets are; not just any reference sheet but a proper reference sheet.
Now, what is a proper reference sheet?
I suppose that's fairly subjective but there are a few requirements that I feel every reference sheet needs and about 90% of refs I come by are sorely lacking at least one of them.
1. A reference sheet needs to be flat coloured. this is the most common issue with references I come by. reference sheets are NOT pieces of artwork that need to look like masterpieces with shading and highlights and cool backgrounds. that isn't their purpose. The purpose of a reference sheet is to let the viewer know what your character looks like clearly as well as see their colours. If it is shaded, colour dropping for the correct colours of the character become a wild goose chase for proper hues without any form of shading on it (soft shaded refs I'm glaring at you). Regardless if you have a colour palette off to the side, shading can sometimes look like markings and then mistakes are made not due to the artist's lack of attention to detail, but simply due to an improper reference sheet creating confusion [i]when it's sole purpose is to create clarity. Shaded references are one of my biggest pet peeves.
2. A reference sheet needs to be unclothed. To reiterate my above point of that the whole point of a ref sheet is to clearly show your character; That can't happen when your character is fully covered by clothing. An unclothed reference sheet does not mean it has to be NSFW. Ken dolls and barbie dolls yo. Even if your character is rarely seen unclothed; some artists (such as myself) like to know who we're drawing looks like in case there are any markings that would be otherwise seen should an article of clothing be lifted up due to posing or whatnot. Clothed references are also on my list of annoyances.
3. A reference sheet needs to have a front and a back view. Even if your character is one solid colour, most people with one sided refs won't specify that their char is a full colour. As an artist, I can't just go around assuming everything because that is just asking for mistakes. I don't like assuming because that will get mistakes and I pride myself on getting commissions right the first time around. I can't do that very well if there is important information lacking from the reference sheet. On anyone else, If they do assume, they may make a mistake due to lacking info and then (depending on their ToS) they will have to go back to change it which is irritating and a waste of time when it could have been easily avoided in the first place.
If your character is completely one colour; at least put an indicator such as text on the reference that says "no markings on back" or something.
4. A reference sheet needs to have tongue and pawpad colours. This is the most common thing I find to be lacking on references. Some might have pawpad colour but no tongue. Others might have tongue but not pawpad. Very rarely do I come across references that have both. If you have one but not the other, you might just say "well it's the same colour as my tongue" ... how was I supposed to know? do you know how many characters have different coloured tongues from their pawpads? A shitton. That is not an assumption I should make. Also, if you have a side note that says "It's flesh coloured".... what is flesh coloured? that's very subjective. We have pink flesh, brown flesh, black flesh, spotted flesh, white (ish) flesh, piebald flesh, tortoiseshell flesh etc etc etc. Be more specific. I can't just assume tongue / pawpad colour and neither can any other artist. The amount of different tongue colours out there is so rdiculous that just assuming a characters tongue colour is pink is going to be wrong about 50% of the time especially if the character's colour palette is a little abnormal. -- that being said; it cam usually be fairly safe to assume that if a character is black and neon green that the tongue colour is probably going to be black or neon green. that being said though; it's never a sure thing and if you're like me and you like to be right the first time, you would have to ask for the colour and that would waste time during which you could have finished the commision but instead are waiting an extra X hours or a day to get a response back. OR if you're me, you could look through the commissioner's gallery to find other pictures of their character to find the info. Even with this though, shit goes awry.. Commonly when I do this, I find several DIFFERENT colours for the same aspect of the character so I have to end up messaging them anyways "I see a pic with a green tongue, a black one and a pink one...... what tf is going on?" In case you couldn't tell via the length of this point; this is one of my big pet peeves as well.
5. A reference sheet should be clear on what species your character is. I have seen countless (And been given countless) refs where the species was so.... un-obvious that it was a guessing game as to what the character was. If you're like me and you have a very distinctive way of drawing canines vs felines then this is a detail that I can't be without. This comes especially with beginner artists (generally) who have not yet grasped the differentiating details of felines vs canines vs dragons/deer/aquatics etc etc. It has happened in the past with me that I have gotten a ref that looked like a dog and so I drew it as such but then the commissioner got mad at me because the species was actually a feline but nowhere on the ref did it look or say anything about felines. So... that one is an issue as well. This isn't SO much of an issue as it doesn't happen often, but I still like to know what species I'm drawing. A bigger pet peeve of mine is when it's a "Hybrid". .... okay.. a hybrid of what? "a dog hybrid"..... A DOG HYBRID WITH WHAT? Seriously. get your shit together. "a dog hybrid with... i dunno.. just a hybrid.." .... your concept needs more work before becoming a character. Come back when you know who and what they are.
6. A reference sheet should be clear on what gender your character is. I don't mean this by like "boy or girl?" because by now we all know there are shittons of names and terms inbetween. when I say gender, I'm talking about what they identify as. If your character identifies as androgynous, then let me know because sometimes those characters are drawn looking more like males (due to the lack of feminine traits) where it could be perceived as a male with just a stylistic choice of art. I don't want to make your character look like a man if they're supposed to be agender or something (I would feel very bad if I did so). This also comes as an issue with femboys (especially ones with long hair). Because a lot of artists draw femboys to the point of anatomical impossibilities, it's really hard sometimes to differentiate between a femboy and a femable with just very small breasts (Teenie as an example who is constantly mistaken for a male and it annoys the shit out of me but that's a box of salt to be opened up another day.). I don't want to draw your femboy as a female by accident due to a lack of information. Again, I would feel bad.
7. A reference sheet should show your whole character. I don't come across this often, but when I DO come across a ref that just shows bits and pieces of the character.... I go mental. By bits and pieces I mean that the arms are in one area, the face is in another, there might be a back view to the right and maybe the legs near the bottom and a little tail near the top. this is fine and all... if they're just extra details ontop of the actual ref sheet. I put face views and tail view on my refs all the time if they aren't perfectly clear on the first view itself but to just have these little disembodied pieces scattered around as the ref itself.... no. Please no.
8. A reference sheet needs to be digital. This should be a no-brainer that reference sheets need to be digital. sure, some artists will take traditional reference sheets to go by but 95% will refuse a traditional reference sheet. If that's all you have then at least include a digital colour palette for artists to pull from.
With all of that said, I in NO WAY am perfect at reference sheets. I'm not saying this as in like "my refs are perfect and everyone should get one from me alskdjfalskdfjasdkf //high and mighty soap box speech about how awesome I am" nope. My refs have flaws too such as some people don't like all the writing I include on my ref; they like their refs to be clean and bare of the extra info. that's cool. I just like putting it on there so I can point out details that people might be prone to miss when drawing the character in question. Not everyone wants the likes/dislikes on their ref. that's fine too. I like putting them on there so that the person might get an idea of what the character is like / who they are based on what they like and don't like (as well as posing as I like to give characters poses that suit their personality).
What I am saying though is that my reference sheets include everything a ref should include at a minimal level. Any questions a person has about the character should be able to be answered with just the one picture. (I do this because people don't tend to read and will not generally look at the description of your reference unless directly instructed to do so (which again, I find silly as there can be a lot of good info in descriptions especially in reference sheet ones))
When I see a ref that doesn't meet the requirements I feel all refs should, it irritates me and it makes me want to edit it to include the details I feel it should. If I had the time and money to be able to afford to draw people reference sheets for free; I would. It makes me sad coming across a ref that needs an update but knowing that the person who owns it just can't afford one as most "good" reference sheets cost a lot of money.
--side note:: when I say "good", I am not talking about art skill. someone can be a beginner artist and have a really good reference sheet provided it follows the above "qualifications-of-sorts". I have seen amazing artists make very sub-par references and I have seen beginner artists make kick-ass refs. Art skill has nothing to do with the quality of a reference sheet.
So all of that being said; I offer a free reference sheet every year on my birthday to get more "higher" quality reference sheets out there to make other artists' lives easier as well as give back to my watchers every year with something more than just derps or chibis.
Another disclaimer before anyone rants at me for being a "high and mighty bitch who thinks she's better than everyone else"--
I do not mean to say that my reference sheets are the best forever and you'll never find any better ever. that's not at all what I'm getting at. The complaints and observations in this journal in regards to what refs should (or shouldn't) have are not just the opinions of myself but are also opinions of many other artists both beginner and experienced that I have witnessed through the years. Many artists will charge extra (or not even accept your commission) if you do not have a proper reference sheet for them to work with; Myself, Geekidog, Vexstacy (to name a few). that isn't to say all people will do this but a vast majority of artists will/do.
If you do not share the same opinions as myself or the others that might agree with some (or all) of the statements in this journal, that's cool. You do you. this is just an explanation of why I hold my free reference sheet raffle tied into the importance I, and many others, hold on proper reference sheets.
My guess is that not many people read that whole thing but if you did, Gold star for you lol
I HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS.
SO.
I can't stress enough how important reference sheets are; not just any reference sheet but a proper reference sheet.
Now, what is a proper reference sheet?
I suppose that's fairly subjective but there are a few requirements that I feel every reference sheet needs and about 90% of refs I come by are sorely lacking at least one of them.
1. A reference sheet needs to be flat coloured. this is the most common issue with references I come by. reference sheets are NOT pieces of artwork that need to look like masterpieces with shading and highlights and cool backgrounds. that isn't their purpose. The purpose of a reference sheet is to let the viewer know what your character looks like clearly as well as see their colours. If it is shaded, colour dropping for the correct colours of the character become a wild goose chase for proper hues without any form of shading on it (soft shaded refs I'm glaring at you). Regardless if you have a colour palette off to the side, shading can sometimes look like markings and then mistakes are made not due to the artist's lack of attention to detail, but simply due to an improper reference sheet creating confusion [i]when it's sole purpose is to create clarity. Shaded references are one of my biggest pet peeves.
2. A reference sheet needs to be unclothed. To reiterate my above point of that the whole point of a ref sheet is to clearly show your character; That can't happen when your character is fully covered by clothing. An unclothed reference sheet does not mean it has to be NSFW. Ken dolls and barbie dolls yo. Even if your character is rarely seen unclothed; some artists (such as myself) like to know who we're drawing looks like in case there are any markings that would be otherwise seen should an article of clothing be lifted up due to posing or whatnot. Clothed references are also on my list of annoyances.
3. A reference sheet needs to have a front and a back view. Even if your character is one solid colour, most people with one sided refs won't specify that their char is a full colour. As an artist, I can't just go around assuming everything because that is just asking for mistakes. I don't like assuming because that will get mistakes and I pride myself on getting commissions right the first time around. I can't do that very well if there is important information lacking from the reference sheet. On anyone else, If they do assume, they may make a mistake due to lacking info and then (depending on their ToS) they will have to go back to change it which is irritating and a waste of time when it could have been easily avoided in the first place.
If your character is completely one colour; at least put an indicator such as text on the reference that says "no markings on back" or something.
4. A reference sheet needs to have tongue and pawpad colours. This is the most common thing I find to be lacking on references. Some might have pawpad colour but no tongue. Others might have tongue but not pawpad. Very rarely do I come across references that have both. If you have one but not the other, you might just say "well it's the same colour as my tongue" ... how was I supposed to know? do you know how many characters have different coloured tongues from their pawpads? A shitton. That is not an assumption I should make. Also, if you have a side note that says "It's flesh coloured".... what is flesh coloured? that's very subjective. We have pink flesh, brown flesh, black flesh, spotted flesh, white (ish) flesh, piebald flesh, tortoiseshell flesh etc etc etc. Be more specific. I can't just assume tongue / pawpad colour and neither can any other artist. The amount of different tongue colours out there is so rdiculous that just assuming a characters tongue colour is pink is going to be wrong about 50% of the time especially if the character's colour palette is a little abnormal. -- that being said; it cam usually be fairly safe to assume that if a character is black and neon green that the tongue colour is probably going to be black or neon green. that being said though; it's never a sure thing and if you're like me and you like to be right the first time, you would have to ask for the colour and that would waste time during which you could have finished the commision but instead are waiting an extra X hours or a day to get a response back. OR if you're me, you could look through the commissioner's gallery to find other pictures of their character to find the info. Even with this though, shit goes awry.. Commonly when I do this, I find several DIFFERENT colours for the same aspect of the character so I have to end up messaging them anyways "I see a pic with a green tongue, a black one and a pink one...... what tf is going on?" In case you couldn't tell via the length of this point; this is one of my big pet peeves as well.
5. A reference sheet should be clear on what species your character is. I have seen countless (And been given countless) refs where the species was so.... un-obvious that it was a guessing game as to what the character was. If you're like me and you have a very distinctive way of drawing canines vs felines then this is a detail that I can't be without. This comes especially with beginner artists (generally) who have not yet grasped the differentiating details of felines vs canines vs dragons/deer/aquatics etc etc. It has happened in the past with me that I have gotten a ref that looked like a dog and so I drew it as such but then the commissioner got mad at me because the species was actually a feline but nowhere on the ref did it look or say anything about felines. So... that one is an issue as well. This isn't SO much of an issue as it doesn't happen often, but I still like to know what species I'm drawing. A bigger pet peeve of mine is when it's a "Hybrid". .... okay.. a hybrid of what? "a dog hybrid"..... A DOG HYBRID WITH WHAT? Seriously. get your shit together. "a dog hybrid with... i dunno.. just a hybrid.." .... your concept needs more work before becoming a character. Come back when you know who and what they are.
6. A reference sheet should be clear on what gender your character is. I don't mean this by like "boy or girl?" because by now we all know there are shittons of names and terms inbetween. when I say gender, I'm talking about what they identify as. If your character identifies as androgynous, then let me know because sometimes those characters are drawn looking more like males (due to the lack of feminine traits) where it could be perceived as a male with just a stylistic choice of art. I don't want to make your character look like a man if they're supposed to be agender or something (I would feel very bad if I did so). This also comes as an issue with femboys (especially ones with long hair). Because a lot of artists draw femboys to the point of anatomical impossibilities, it's really hard sometimes to differentiate between a femboy and a femable with just very small breasts (Teenie as an example who is constantly mistaken for a male and it annoys the shit out of me but that's a box of salt to be opened up another day.). I don't want to draw your femboy as a female by accident due to a lack of information. Again, I would feel bad.
7. A reference sheet should show your whole character. I don't come across this often, but when I DO come across a ref that just shows bits and pieces of the character.... I go mental. By bits and pieces I mean that the arms are in one area, the face is in another, there might be a back view to the right and maybe the legs near the bottom and a little tail near the top. this is fine and all... if they're just extra details ontop of the actual ref sheet. I put face views and tail view on my refs all the time if they aren't perfectly clear on the first view itself but to just have these little disembodied pieces scattered around as the ref itself.... no. Please no.
8. A reference sheet needs to be digital. This should be a no-brainer that reference sheets need to be digital. sure, some artists will take traditional reference sheets to go by but 95% will refuse a traditional reference sheet. If that's all you have then at least include a digital colour palette for artists to pull from.
--> A great way to achieve a good reference sheet even if you can't afford a custom made one is via free bases! there are thousands to choose from from little to no cost! colour them as needed, add the information needed and bam! a super easy low cost reference sheet placement holder until you can afford to buy one or until you feel confident enough in your own art skill to make one! <--
With all of that said, I in NO WAY am perfect at reference sheets. I'm not saying this as in like "my refs are perfect and everyone should get one from me alskdjfalskdfjasdkf //high and mighty soap box speech about how awesome I am" nope. My refs have flaws too such as some people don't like all the writing I include on my ref; they like their refs to be clean and bare of the extra info. that's cool. I just like putting it on there so I can point out details that people might be prone to miss when drawing the character in question. Not everyone wants the likes/dislikes on their ref. that's fine too. I like putting them on there so that the person might get an idea of what the character is like / who they are based on what they like and don't like (as well as posing as I like to give characters poses that suit their personality).
What I am saying though is that my reference sheets include everything a ref should include at a minimal level. Any questions a person has about the character should be able to be answered with just the one picture. (I do this because people don't tend to read and will not generally look at the description of your reference unless directly instructed to do so (which again, I find silly as there can be a lot of good info in descriptions especially in reference sheet ones))
When I see a ref that doesn't meet the requirements I feel all refs should, it irritates me and it makes me want to edit it to include the details I feel it should. If I had the time and money to be able to afford to draw people reference sheets for free; I would. It makes me sad coming across a ref that needs an update but knowing that the person who owns it just can't afford one as most "good" reference sheets cost a lot of money.
--side note:: when I say "good", I am not talking about art skill. someone can be a beginner artist and have a really good reference sheet provided it follows the above "qualifications-of-sorts". I have seen amazing artists make very sub-par references and I have seen beginner artists make kick-ass refs. Art skill has nothing to do with the quality of a reference sheet.
So all of that being said; I offer a free reference sheet every year on my birthday to get more "higher" quality reference sheets out there to make other artists' lives easier as well as give back to my watchers every year with something more than just derps or chibis.
Another disclaimer before anyone rants at me for being a "high and mighty bitch who thinks she's better than everyone else"--
I do not mean to say that my reference sheets are the best forever and you'll never find any better ever. that's not at all what I'm getting at. The complaints and observations in this journal in regards to what refs should (or shouldn't) have are not just the opinions of myself but are also opinions of many other artists both beginner and experienced that I have witnessed through the years. Many artists will charge extra (or not even accept your commission) if you do not have a proper reference sheet for them to work with; Myself, Geekidog, Vexstacy (to name a few). that isn't to say all people will do this but a vast majority of artists will/do.
If you do not share the same opinions as myself or the others that might agree with some (or all) of the statements in this journal, that's cool. You do you. this is just an explanation of why I hold my free reference sheet raffle tied into the importance I, and many others, hold on proper reference sheets.
My guess is that not many people read that whole thing but if you did, Gold star for you lol
I HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS.
I have way too many characters to get full refs of every single one of mine, so a lot of my characters have refs from bases!
There are a million bases out there to create references on that include every single one of your requirements on them! Some of them are even free!
(I'm not saying people shouldn't go and commission artists for refs, I am just offering a solution to those who really want to commission art, or show off their character, but don't have the money for a full reference sheet)
I love your reference sheets, and I have seen you fight to get the information you need. Hopefully I'm one of the people who is a limited artist, but at least has informative reference sheets. I think this is very sweet of you, honestly ^_^
a lot of issues could be fixed if the artist LOOKED at the ref cause even I ( someone who has a extremely good ref) still must ask for edits fairly often
its safe to say both sides are to blame :0....but shaded refs are satan and must burn
I left out things I have on my refs such as likes, dislikes, little info tidbits etc etc because that's just something I like to put on my references. Everything else up there definitely needs to be on a ref.
What do you do if a character has blended/gradient markings?
I have run into this issue with one of my characters, to the point where I flat out refuse to commission anyone to get art of her. She has multi-color blended markings and I have the full palette clearly labeled on the reference for artists to pull from. Instead they color pick from the markings and the get angry at -me- when the character colors don't look anything like what is on the reference sheet.
What can I do to fix this kind of issue? I love the character so much, but when it's that much of a problem, is it a bad reference or laziness on the part of the artists I'm choosing? I just don't know.
tis a pleasure~
I'm actually thinking of getting a clothed ref of my main character in future because everyone draws them naked even though it says on their sheet not to, it makes me so uncomfortable and is just totally unlike the character. I'm not saying I'm not grateful for art, but when you have art you can't exactly use it's a little bit of an issue
If it's affordable, for people in your situation, the best thing would be having the normal unclothed ref for markings but then have a clothed version on the same sheet and perhaps include very clear text that says "Always wearing clothes" or something of the like. That way. artists like me don't pull out our hair, and the fact that the char is supposed to be wearing clothes is all taken care of : ^)
if their character is too difficult or has markings that aren't on the flash game, then then until they can afford a proper ref, a traditional would have to suffice but they should prepare for many artists to turn them down unfortunately :c
There definitely are artists who take traditional refs but most of them will probably charge extra fees due to the nature of the ref.
If the person can afford commissions, then I'd advise to save up for a reference sheet xD but thats just me : )
it really wrinkles my sprinkles to see someone with a huge gallery of commissions but no reference sheet.
Also the femboy one, I have one but I just stopped getting art of him. Most artist draw him super buff or obviously male, while once I asked for him as "female" to try and prevent that but with flat chest and no curves and got a big-titted curvy lady back xD (he needs a ref though as I only have concept art of him so far; sta.sh/059rqos99wg )
yeah femboys with long hair are really difficult to place unless it's specifically stated that they're a femboy lol. I can't count the times I've been given a ref of a femboy and thought it was a girl >_>
Like. http://vhiny.deviantart.com/art/Vhiny-588381512 On my side, something that bother me when I draw him is more about his spots. they just seem placed at random and is rather hard to reproduce acurately. < w>'
but yes. Spots are difficult to have specific designs for. Unless you have them in a noticable pattern, most will assume they're just random. If you don't like the random aspect, then definitely work out a pattern for them that is eas(ier) to reproduce and make sure "spot pattern is non negotiable" or something is written on the ref :) that might help
Yeah I tought about redoing the refsheet. But a part of me is like ''Oh, Well this ref sheet is rather good, why would I change it?'' Even though that would be a nice thing to do. I've saw some characters with some paterns that seemed random and were still rather easy to re-create ( though I gota say, I only did his drawing in a chibi form.. < W>' As a freebie.)
the only ones I see as vague are MAYBE Species (Listed in image descript and tags, though Arctic Foxes are pretty recognizable in this art style I think) and the fact that he's a Femboy, though since he has a decently feminine build, the suggestive eyes in the corner and showing off his butt for the back-pic, I'd imagine that that's fairly easy to infer as well.
The femboy thing tbh I didn't actually catch onto that until you told me so.... xD still helpful to have on the sheet. Body type "obviousness" is also very subjective when it comes down to the tomboys / agender / femboy etc etc territory~ I do admire how the artist portrayed the femboy aspect though! It's definitely a realistic proportionned femboy which I love and don't see enough of!
I also thought he was a wolf at first glance :c Species "obviousness" is very subjective which is why having it on the sheet is definitely helpful : )
not many people look at ttags when trying to find information. I do if I can't find info anywhere but tbh, maybe only 5% of artists will do that that I have known of~
BUT YES Your ref is really nice! love the art, the many views, LOVE the fact that there is the toxic symbol beside the shoulder it should be on to let us know that it isn't the same marking on each one :) Nice!
I tend to exclude it on characters with normal flesh tones because I assume the artist will use normal flesh tones when it isn't shown.
The problem with that is that mouth colours can be so different on any character that it's never safe to assume anything because when I assume it's going to be "flesh" colour (which by the way can be several different colours), I will get it wrong about 50% of the time. I personally don't like to just assume because I like to get things right the 1st time around, so I'll ask. So many times when I've asked and thought it was a certain colour (because that's what would make sense), I end up being completely wrong.
Even if it's obvious to you, it's not going to be obvious to everyone else. People's brains do this thing called the false consensus effect where we just assume that other people share the same beliefs or attitudes (and sometimes behaviors) as us solely due to the reason that we have said opinion / belief / habit.
It might be the logical way to just assume it's flesh coloured if it's not shown, and it might be logical to assume "flesh" coloured is pink but everyone you come across will have a different opinion on both of those statements.
from experience, a tongue colour not being present on the reference sheet comes more from people forgetting it (and having abnormal colours) than people just having a pink tongue and purposefully not putting it there.
also when has the furry community ever been logical? lol.
I hope you get what I was trying to explain, I'm not always the best at explaining myself :(
then there are the species where you're like ".....literally what is this" LOL
One that I want to mention is 7. I went through a phase where I just couldn't bring myself to fully draw out characters I had floating around in my head, so I drew out concept sheets as temporary references. Their main purpose was to be a reference for a reference, so I feel like they're ok for that purpose, but not for "reference sheets"
I've also realized that a lot of my refs don't have mouth colors on them... That's what I get for getting a character w/o specifying an open mouth head shot should be added. TT^TT I am super glad that I'm not the only one that thinks pawpad and mouth color are important.
The bunch of writing isn't something I said needed to be on a ref sheet. that's just something I do as a stylistic choice in order to write in details that could be easily missed by artists when drawing my characters.
Reference sheets and concept sheets are different things. Reference sheets should show the whole character clearly so the artist can easily grasp who they are and what they look like. If you have a full front and back view, then adding in little floating limbs such as tails, wings, extra info on an arm or something, that's fine. But to JUST have half a body or little bits and pieces floating around, that's reallynot helpful for a reference sheet. that's indeed a concept sheet. the two are very different and should not be mixed up <3
I like to have some text by missed details (especially on my main 'sona... everyone draws one of her markings as a scar, even when I tell them directly it isn't). I do try to limit the amount of text because, for me, it makes the reference look unorganized. I also had an art class that made a big deal about not putting text on art (something I still don't understand fully).
I agree on this completely. I have no intention of getting the characters I drew like that drawn until their full references are done. I've never *seen* someone try and use something like that as a reference... but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
that being said if you want a traditional reference, or you want a reference that doesn't have certain details or is shaded, then that's cool. That's your choice. the one issue with that, is that you should be prepared to constantly get charged extra money in regards to payment by artists you commission because the majority of artists don't like getting shaded or traditional refs and will charge extra fees. This journal does not come solely from my own point of view. this journal and the things I included as "necessary" on refs are things that I have heard multiple times from other artists : P
Yeah.. I've gotten a couple refs like that. It was not a fun experience..
I don't so much prefer traditional references (I really prefer digital), but I like drawing references for my super personal characters. Maybe I'll get some digital skills and make them digital at some point, but these will have to do.
I've used these references multiple times (even some that had no color pallet) and wasn't charged extra, but I'll keep an eye on that. If I have to pay extra I will (big words from someone with no money currently)
I feel like my concept sheets will be hard enough for my ref sheet artist... I would never put someone through that for an actual piece!
Most "smaller" artists won't charge extra, but as far as the bigger artists I've known and commissioned such as Vextacy, geekidog, citrinelle, and much more definitely do. I'm not a "big" artist myself but I charge extra as well because they're just so much more difficult to understand and use (and as I said I've had bad experiences with them in the past lol)
well good luck definitely. I would totally advise getting onto digital art and working on that! If you can draw traditionally, you can get a tablet and learn digital no problem! : ) only takes a little bit of getting used to~
I got a comm from
(i.e. http://bluesfurryden.weebly.com/upl.....59095_orig.png [How was I supposed to know both ears had white on them?]
And this is the ref he has now: http://bluesfurryden.weebly.com/upl.....05941_orig.png)
I've gotten to the point that if I get any new characters (which I doubt I will), I won't get them unless I can spend the money to get the artist to turn it into a reference. And I always wanna punch myself when I realize that I forgot to get an open-mouthed head shot on a ref (like on my Akinna from
I have a tablet, but I never could get comfortable using it. I think I might be able to do it now that I understand more about digital/photoshop(if I knew where it was, I'd love to try it). I had a lot of trouble translating my usual sketching into digital, but I bet I could sketch on paper and ink digitally.
Lots of fun B) Pokemon metaphors 10/10
oh wow that guy's second reference is KICK ASS. SWEET.
Ahh that's unfortunate D: I mean, you can always just take your mouse and like... click in a small circle of a colour near the colour palette and write in text that that's the mouth colour if that helps? :o
to be honest, I didn't touch my tablet for the first... 3 or so years after I got it. It was really weird to learn to use at first but after a short while, you get used to it and then you never go back to anything else ever again LOL. I used to be a mouse-using artist where all of my stuff was created using just my mouse :P that and traditional anyways. Nowadays, I can't draw shit with my mouse xD only tablet or sketchbook lol
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I might do what I've done for a couple characters and use some free line-art and be like "this is the inside of the mouth"
I tried mine right after I got it, but I couldn't get the sketching down right. I think if I sketched it out, then used the tablet, I could do it. Maybe I'll find my tablet soon and try it out.
I've been using my track-pad mouse to do adopts and stuff... it sucks, but at least I can do it... somewhat.
Defs try to get used to your tablert as soon as you can! I regret not touching it sooner ;v; my skill just like... skyrocketed after I stopped using my mouse and started using my tablet