Say NO to free art
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💜 Thank you all of those who give their support. 💜 In light of some recent things, I'm going to be among the artists that post this. I wasn't going to, but Ive been given hell by so many people recently because I don't have the time to do free art and am also unwilling to undersell myself.
In the past I have fallen prey to people trying to suck free or extremely cheap art out of me.This is not something I've let happen for a long time now. I also do work professionally, and make my living from my art. Freelance art is my job and not just something I kick around for enjoymenrt as a hobby.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS! I nabbed it from a handful of other artists. SO I may not in particular agree with the way things are worded, but as a whole agree with the thoughts and points behind it.
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Every day, there are more and more Craigs List posts seeking “artists” for everything from auto graphics to comic books to corporate logo designs. More people are finding themselves in need of some form of illustrative service.
But what they’re NOT doing, unfortunately, is realizing how rare someone with these particular talents can be.
To those who are “seeking artists”, let me ask you; How many people do you know, personally, with the talent and skill to perform the services you need? A dozen? Five? One? …none?
More than likely, you don’t know any. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be posting on craigslist to find them.
And this is not really a surprise.
In this country, there are almost twice as many neurosurgeons as there are professional illustrators. There are eleven times as many certified mechanics. There are SEVENTY times as many people in the IT field.
So, given that they are less rare, and therefore less in demand, would it make sense to ask your mechanic to work on your car for free? Would you look him in the eye, with a straight face, and tell him that his compensation would be the ability to have his work shown to others as you drive down the street?
Would you offer a neurosurgeon the “opportunity” to add your name to his resume as payment for removing that pesky tumor? (Maybe you could offer him “a few bucks” for “materials”. What a deal!)
Would you be able to seriously even CONSIDER offering your web hosting service the chance to have people see their work, by viewing your website, as their payment for hosting you?
If you answered “yes” to ANY of the above, you’re obviously insane. If you answered “no”, then kudos to you for living in the real world.
But then tell me… why would you think it is okay to live out the same, delusional, ridiculous fantasy when seeking someone whose abilities are even less in supply than these folks?
Graphic artists, illustrators, painters, etc., are skilled tradesmen. As such, to consider them as, or deal with them as, anything less than professionals fully deserving of your respect is both insulting and a bad reflection on you as a sane, reasonable person. In short, it makes you look like a twit.
A few things you need to know;
1. It is not a “great opportunity” for an artist to have his work seen on your car/’zine/website/bedroom wall, etc. It IS a “great opportunity” for YOU to have their work there.
2. It is not clever to seek a “student” or “beginner” in an attempt to get work for free. It’s ignorant and insulting. They may be “students”, but that does not mean they don’t deserve to be paid for their hard work. You were a “student” once, too. Would you have taken that job at McDonalds with no pay, because you were learning essential job skills for the real world? Yes, your proposition it JUST as stupid.
3. The chance to have their name on something that is going to be seen by other people, whether it’s one or one million, is NOT a valid enticement. Neither is the right to add that work to their “portfolio”. They get to do those things ANYWAY, after being paid as they should. It’s not compensation. It’s their right, and it’s a given.
4. Stop thinking that you’re giving them some great chance to work. Once they skip over your silly ad, as they should, the next ad is usually for someone who lives in the real world, and as such, will pay them. There are far more jobs needing these skills than there are people who possess these skills.
5. Students DO need “experience”. But they do NOT need to get it by giving their work away. In fact, this does not even offer them the experience they need. Anyone who will not/can not pay them is obviously the type of person or business they should be ashamed to have on their resume anyway. Do you think professional contractors list the “experience” they got while nailing down a loose step at their grandmother’s house when they were seventeen?
If you your company or gig was worth listing as desired experience, it would be able to pay for the services it received. The only experience they will get doing free work for you is a lesson learned in what kinds of scrubs they should not lower themselves to deal with.
6. (This one is FOR the artists out there, please pay attention.) Some will ask you to “submit work for consideration”. They may even be posing as some sort of “contest”. These are almost always scams. They will take the work submitted by many artists seeking to win the “contest”, or be “chosen” for the gig, and find what they like most. They will then usually have someone who works for them, or someone who works incredibly cheap because they have no originality or talent of their own, reproduce that same work, or even just make slight modifications to it, and claim it as their own. You will NOT be paid, you will NOT win the contest. The only people who win, here, are the underhanded folks who run these ads. This is speculative, or “spec”, work. It’s risky at best, and a complete scam at worst. I urge you to avoid it, completely. For more information on this subject, please visit https://www.no-spec.com.
So to artists/designers/illustrators looking for work, do everyone a favor, ESPECIALLY yourselves, and avoid people who do not intend to pay you. Whether they are “spec” gigs, or just some guy who wants a free mural on his living room walls. They need you. You do NOT need them.
And for those who are looking for someone to do work for free… please wake up and join the real world. The only thing you’re accomplishing is to insult those with the skills you need. Get a clue.
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Please, and I mean this with all due respect. Remember that while I do art as a job and I enjoy doing it, I am not a machine pumping it out.
DOne now, Im going to go to the gym and have a smoothie ^_^
Despite being annoyed by some 'fans' attitudes, Im still in a pretty good mood and actually looking forward to some of the commissions I drafted for Hida last night. Hida is not only sweet as he is but totally understanding to the artistic condition. And totally a wonderful commissioner ^_^
*loves on the lil Hida*
In the past I have fallen prey to people trying to suck free or extremely cheap art out of me.This is not something I've let happen for a long time now. I also do work professionally, and make my living from my art. Freelance art is my job and not just something I kick around for enjoymenrt as a hobby.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS! I nabbed it from a handful of other artists. SO I may not in particular agree with the way things are worded, but as a whole agree with the thoughts and points behind it.
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Every day, there are more and more Craigs List posts seeking “artists” for everything from auto graphics to comic books to corporate logo designs. More people are finding themselves in need of some form of illustrative service.
But what they’re NOT doing, unfortunately, is realizing how rare someone with these particular talents can be.
To those who are “seeking artists”, let me ask you; How many people do you know, personally, with the talent and skill to perform the services you need? A dozen? Five? One? …none?
More than likely, you don’t know any. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be posting on craigslist to find them.
And this is not really a surprise.
In this country, there are almost twice as many neurosurgeons as there are professional illustrators. There are eleven times as many certified mechanics. There are SEVENTY times as many people in the IT field.
So, given that they are less rare, and therefore less in demand, would it make sense to ask your mechanic to work on your car for free? Would you look him in the eye, with a straight face, and tell him that his compensation would be the ability to have his work shown to others as you drive down the street?
Would you offer a neurosurgeon the “opportunity” to add your name to his resume as payment for removing that pesky tumor? (Maybe you could offer him “a few bucks” for “materials”. What a deal!)
Would you be able to seriously even CONSIDER offering your web hosting service the chance to have people see their work, by viewing your website, as their payment for hosting you?
If you answered “yes” to ANY of the above, you’re obviously insane. If you answered “no”, then kudos to you for living in the real world.
But then tell me… why would you think it is okay to live out the same, delusional, ridiculous fantasy when seeking someone whose abilities are even less in supply than these folks?
Graphic artists, illustrators, painters, etc., are skilled tradesmen. As such, to consider them as, or deal with them as, anything less than professionals fully deserving of your respect is both insulting and a bad reflection on you as a sane, reasonable person. In short, it makes you look like a twit.
A few things you need to know;
1. It is not a “great opportunity” for an artist to have his work seen on your car/’zine/website/bedroom wall, etc. It IS a “great opportunity” for YOU to have their work there.
2. It is not clever to seek a “student” or “beginner” in an attempt to get work for free. It’s ignorant and insulting. They may be “students”, but that does not mean they don’t deserve to be paid for their hard work. You were a “student” once, too. Would you have taken that job at McDonalds with no pay, because you were learning essential job skills for the real world? Yes, your proposition it JUST as stupid.
3. The chance to have their name on something that is going to be seen by other people, whether it’s one or one million, is NOT a valid enticement. Neither is the right to add that work to their “portfolio”. They get to do those things ANYWAY, after being paid as they should. It’s not compensation. It’s their right, and it’s a given.
4. Stop thinking that you’re giving them some great chance to work. Once they skip over your silly ad, as they should, the next ad is usually for someone who lives in the real world, and as such, will pay them. There are far more jobs needing these skills than there are people who possess these skills.
5. Students DO need “experience”. But they do NOT need to get it by giving their work away. In fact, this does not even offer them the experience they need. Anyone who will not/can not pay them is obviously the type of person or business they should be ashamed to have on their resume anyway. Do you think professional contractors list the “experience” they got while nailing down a loose step at their grandmother’s house when they were seventeen?
If you your company or gig was worth listing as desired experience, it would be able to pay for the services it received. The only experience they will get doing free work for you is a lesson learned in what kinds of scrubs they should not lower themselves to deal with.
6. (This one is FOR the artists out there, please pay attention.) Some will ask you to “submit work for consideration”. They may even be posing as some sort of “contest”. These are almost always scams. They will take the work submitted by many artists seeking to win the “contest”, or be “chosen” for the gig, and find what they like most. They will then usually have someone who works for them, or someone who works incredibly cheap because they have no originality or talent of their own, reproduce that same work, or even just make slight modifications to it, and claim it as their own. You will NOT be paid, you will NOT win the contest. The only people who win, here, are the underhanded folks who run these ads. This is speculative, or “spec”, work. It’s risky at best, and a complete scam at worst. I urge you to avoid it, completely. For more information on this subject, please visit https://www.no-spec.com.
So to artists/designers/illustrators looking for work, do everyone a favor, ESPECIALLY yourselves, and avoid people who do not intend to pay you. Whether they are “spec” gigs, or just some guy who wants a free mural on his living room walls. They need you. You do NOT need them.
And for those who are looking for someone to do work for free… please wake up and join the real world. The only thing you’re accomplishing is to insult those with the skills you need. Get a clue.
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Please, and I mean this with all due respect. Remember that while I do art as a job and I enjoy doing it, I am not a machine pumping it out.
DOne now, Im going to go to the gym and have a smoothie ^_^
Despite being annoyed by some 'fans' attitudes, Im still in a pretty good mood and actually looking forward to some of the commissions I drafted for Hida last night. Hida is not only sweet as he is but totally understanding to the artistic condition. And totally a wonderful commissioner ^_^
*loves on the lil Hida*
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I'm glad that me working for sweatshop wages is 'too much'. Thanks, world!
And dont ever feel like your arnt is worth paying for :)
*hug*
" And don't ever feel your art isnt worth paying for. It takes time and dedication and there for is ^_^"
Theres so many things I have posted not even that long ago.. and I look back at them and im like 'why was I proud of that again?' XD *big hugs to you*
*hugs and nuzzles you thankfully*
If an artist is being asked to do a piece of art for someone else.. then that means they have some worth to them.. that they are liked.. so that person asking should(should.. but usually don't) be ready to pay that artist for their hard work..
Your work is astounding. every ware from the fluid line work to the wonderfully unique colours.. bringing all your work to life..
A fact is I will be commissioning you after i i complete college and get a job.. cause until then I cannot afford what your work is worth.. *smiles*
*bows*
Lazureus Falcone
And thank you very much for your compliment (goodness knows its a little beam of light of joy for me right now) ^_^ I will very much look foreward to then and dealing with someone who seems so nice to talk to :3
My negative experiences have been more down to individuals particulary in the furry fandom :P
I've done a lot of commissioning and have had the pleasure to know quite a few artists, and its rather shamefull when they tell me about some of the people they have to put up with asking for freebies and even more beyond that ..
I've been illustrating a couple of local sci-fi magazines as a non-profitable hobby just so that I might get a little bit of fame in some small circles... Sometimes I've had a bit of luck selling a design or two, but for now I'll just keep dreaming of a real job as a freelancer illustrator or something.
It's just that when I evaluate the stuff I draw it feels like looking in a funhouse mirror, you know... I've been drawing for so long for my own enjoyment, I don't really know what is expected from a real artist. I'm too afraid to call myself one - I'd rather just be a doodlist. ^^;;
This is an actual business practice I've seen put into use extensively, and I've seen the actual returns it gets. I think it's akin to viral marketing, you do something good for someone, and when they are golfing on the course with friends, someone says something akin to "My wife and I are getting divorced", next thing you know, the guy you helped is dropping your name and you have a new client ready to call you and ask for help with the case, one you can charge, and make a good quarter of a million bucks off of.
I'm not saying it's right for people to expect or demand the work to be free. But it's also cockamamie for anyone to expect everyone to pay for everything. Just look at the furry fandom, how many furries who have photoshop actually paid for it? Or any of their music files? Or the bootleg movies they have? Or that copy of ASB/HEAT/randomfurryzine/randomfurryart on their computer? Thievery and "free" markets are a part of nearly every culture, and from my view it would appear as though this poster (not you, the original who wrote what was originally copied and pasted) offered his/her free service, and got turned down. That or s/he's extremely emo. One of them starving artists you hear about.
And I know the power of viral marketing even in non finacial terms ^-^ No worries Im not saying I feel that artists should never do anythign for free. I just feel that people going to artists should be more respectful ^_^
That's why people need to put a limited use rights on their art piece. Kinda like the GPL people put on free software so it can't be included in anything that would derive profit for a company. Or something along those lines.
There are copyright laws that extend to cover artwork as well, not sure how extensively though.
But I agree there sould be some sort of limited rights use ^_^
Protects the consumer and the creator.
Myself I worked freelance and contract for over twenty years, before landing my first full-time gig. I wish I'd been educated in what kind of working world to expect to find myself in before I graduated.. it might not have improved things much, or it could have made a critical differance and, as a result, I'd feel less bitter and have a bit more in my saving & RRSP now. :P
And hey at least you made it into a full time gig, most are never so lucky, sadly. *hugs*
Well.. I didn't quite make Classical Animation into a full-time job. I do still animate, but mostly I program.. I do Flash production work. Not that I mind; C.Anim. was always a huge struggle through mountains of tedious work for piddly pay, now I enjoy what I do and get paid pretty well. ^_^
And further to your point, in my chosen career I won't have to put up with people asking such stupid questions all the time.
But then, I'm hardly a professional artist.
D.O.P.R
Gifts are nice to do for people :D
Im not doing commishs yet (though I may, in the future), but still, I consider making free art /only/ as gifts for my friends. for my /real/ friends.
And the only time I ever ask for free art is when it's offered to me...or I feel like mooching it off a friend! XD And even then, I feel greedy ^^;
But wonderful said journal ^_^
I like the ones who come up and say "Draw me furry porn"...it makes for a good laugh before you tell them no lol
*hugs for you*
I believe that everything can be a sort of a trade, whether it is money exchanging hands or a different sort of service occuring for one's own service rendered. At conventions, if someone wants me to draw in their conbook, even if they're not an artist, I ask them if they can draw in mine. It gives me a little momento of them as well as letting them play around a little bit. I've had smilie faces put in at one point with little vampire fangs from someone that I have drawn for on an off and on basis. Because a friend of mine likes to dote on me and give me stuff, I have an entire sketchbook (one of those big hardbound ones) that I have regulated for drawing stuff just for him in there just so that it feels like an even exchange.
If it is a business type thing, if they're asking for something that I could whipout quickly, I wouldn't mind doing the first one for free, since it in return if they credit my idea for it it would let my ideas be known. However if they just have someone else copy the idea and give no credit for it, then that is quite unfair to the artist.
Though I did free art for a while to get my skills going, it was fun but then people start abusing the fact that you did at one time did do free art. Example: I drew a free picture for someone and while I detest coloring pictures that involve nothing but black I gave it a try. Several months later the person came back to me asking for another free picture during the time I figured that I should start charging for pictures. I'm fairly cheap but when I told this person I would be charging them for this picture, they threw this in my face, "I'm sorry but no offense, if I wanted to pay for a picture I would pay for Bernal to draw me a picture"
Now no offense to Bernal or anything, he's an awesome artist but that was like a bullet to the skull for me.
Those who ask for pictures, or would pay for them need to be considerate you know.
Thanks UV for posting this(and sorry about your birthday picture I promised you..work kills me ;_; )
Well why dont they just go do that then? XD
*big supportive hug* But yeah its just a very rude thing for them to say. I mean do they think saying something like that will make it more likely that you will do it for free? o.o
ANd hey its totally ok about the birthday art, in your own time. You consider doing it at all, makes me happy :D
Right now though, I have my hands full with that...and after I get done with these I may be improved enough to start asking payment.
In fact I miss being able to do them, myself 0-0
*hugs* and yeah they can be a good experience boost ^-^
Mmmmm, smoothies... *drools*
And I think like... only... two? Actually make a living of furry stuff, and not a wealthy one.
Its more of a cottage industry/pocket money thing here, if money's involved.
Its almost kinda like saying anyone who ever sold anything on e-bay owns a store. A bit exaggarated sure, but thats the same idea.
I think you need to be an actual illustrator or something like that to qualify as a professional. Not be someone who draws well, occassionally makes a buck on the side of that, but is say... a plumber far as making an actual living goes. No matter how you slice it, if that describes you, you're a hobbyist making some cash of a hobby.
Sides... as I mentioned, you can't really make a good living of furry art. The few who do live of it are as I understand pretty poor (and even if I'm wrong they are certainly not wealthy), and there's like.. only two or three. You'd have to do other stuff too, not exclusively furry.
So personally I'd like to encourage artists who do it for the love of the art, far as furry goes.
I can see how people would like to make some pocket money, but I for one wouldn't like the furry art scene much if it was all exclusively like that.
So well... your article makes sense amongst professionals, but amongst hobbyists I think things are somewhat more nuanced.
Its perfectly fine around here to do it for the love or the honour. There's more to life then just capitalism. :)
One of the main reasons I've never got round to paying anyone to do art for me is simply because I have no method of paying and I usually need my money for more important things.
Bah!
Seriously most artists here at least are given less than minimum wage per piece and people still bitch about it. Out there in the real world we apparently have more of the same crap to deal with. *sigh* whatever.
~Kai
~ Allester E. Darkflame
The way i see it, one does gift art/texts to get practice, but there comes a point where one is good enough to accept money for his work.
And as for people saying that the prices are too much, I think they're really just saying they can't afford it, but aren't wording it right.
This is one chain postey-thingey I can agree with heart and soul. ^_^
I wish I could post it somewhere prominent on Toronto Craigslist so all artist could see this. or if Craiglist would post it in the creative and design areas of ther job adds before people went to see the job so they were they knew if they were dealing with a shifty client. The same way you get the that warning page before you go into there adult job section (so really bizzare request).
Ah but there probably there is no real way to get to majority of artist to explain this growing problem.
The problem with free art is that it DOES become an expectation. You did it once, do it again. And then THAT becomes your appeal, NOT your art quality. Then once you start charging, those people snub you because you changed, and your quality no longer matters, they see you as "untrustworthy" or dislike you personally for your choice, as stupid as that may seem. Don't get into that position, or if you already are, get out fast, because the longer you are stuck in it, the more you have to lose when you get out.
The only problem I DO have is, what to charge? Because the secondary problem here isn't just free art, it's artists selling themselves short. Every artist I've ever known has the "I'm not quite good enough to charge like everyone else" complex even though they do REAL good work, and I've seen people far worse charging more and selling. So good people start selling themselves low, and that cheapens the art almost as much as free art does. Or even moreso.
I agree with this whole argument. About as far as I go into it is holding off payments on comissions till I'v seen a most likely watermarked or stamped sample of it. That of which I do now after I got jipped for about 150$ when the ARTIST never gave me the work. =/ As far as I know he never attempted it, and hes a famous one at that.
But well, I really don't plan to make money with my furry drawings: it's a secret garden, and I don't want it to be noticed IRL. Just some random stuff for the fun of it. I live in a little village, making money with furry stuff is excluded for me.
But there's also my comics project, and I do plan to make money with it.
But that is what the net is for ^_^ Most of the world is at your finger tips. :3
And comic project? :) *playfully peeks*
As for the comics project, it's strictly IRL project. Nothing on Internet: that project is too precious.
Those who are ask and are cool if you cant do a request, are fine in my books ^_^
Someone posted that they feel a little bit better about charging now so I think I need to show this to a friend of mine. He's a very good artist but always feels like he shouldn't charge because his work isn't good enough for him to justify it. Of course he's wrong but he doesn't listen to me. :) Anyway I hope this helps you clear off some of the folks begging you for free stuff :)
And now I have to do comissios to keep a roof over my head. I understand that many people can't afford to get art of their character, but... it's not like art of your character is owed to you, and artists don't tend to have much money either. Artists usually depend on the art to make their living (or try to), or they have a real job, and only a few hours each day to do everything else they want to do, including art, making that time even more precious to them.
I'm an IT pro, and I am not less rare than artists, because I'm an MCSE with twenty thousand dollars' worth of specialized education in constructing big corporate networks. Unlike art, which a company can probably do without, they need the networks that I provide, and unlike an artist, I couldn't be self-taught by drawing a lot of computers over a few years. And people have STILL managed to give me an incredulous look upon being presented with a bill for driving over to their office and fixing a completely-broken server. They're used to being able to give the neighborhood geek kid a Playboy and a bottle of Jolt for fixing their desktop, and the concept of an actual professional engineer (and the gap in knowledge between the geek kid and the engineer) is foreign to a lot of people as a result. I've actually had a customer say, with a straight face, "My neighbor's son knows a lot about computers, I'll let him take a shot at the server first." I wasn't too surprised when they called back the next day.
So don't take it personally when someone mistakenly assumes that your time is cheap, In most cases it's just ignorance rather than any malicious desire to scam free stuff out of someone.
We have a class, 'Multimedia and Collaboration', where we're broken into groups to do projects for other groups outside the school, or even within.
Even though one of the projects I was assigned to (for some reason two.. Our professor was completely mad, I think...) was an extremely high profile project (the one everyone wanted the most, actually), the only 'compensation' we could hope for was a good grade and whatever it means to have it on our resumes. I mean, seriously. Doing a website for an extremely important group in the digital arts, and working on this thing for 12 hours a day, even through the entire summer, and nothing. Perhaps the groups paid the school to do this, but we sure as hell didn't get anything.
I couldn't even look for a job at all for the summer or spring because of how much time that project took, and of course that hurt my finances quite a bit, but you know. >_<
And so I'm sure most of the students go out of things like this expecting that they should just do things for free for the sake of 'experience'.
I mean, shit, in our class for assembling a portfolio so we can graduate, we're supposed to enter a contest. A CONTEST. Which would probably just be a scam, like mentioned in the essay. Of course, they never present it like that in the class. We're just supposed to go out there and find something to enter our work into, and win, so we can put it on our resumes. WTF. (Most of the class faked it, though. :P)
I mean, there's a reason for the saying, 'time is money', because it is. And I really don't know where people get off thinking that the time an artist spends isn't worth compensating at all. For real. I don't get it. It's true, to the list, that it's insanity.
Just tell me how to join you :D
And be warned, I'll probably suck! XD
Later tonight, if you're on, I'll give you a tutorial XD
Anyway, AIM me! Batboydotjpg is my AIM ...OR
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Can always do it another day if not tonight ^_^
Everyone deserves to be rewarded for their talents and efforts, and I think it's despicable that so many feel it's perfectly fine to ask artists for free art, or quibble over the prices. All artists deserve to get whatever THEY feel their art is worth, and if someone doesn't like the price, then DON'T try to commission them. End of story!
mAnd yep if they dont like it im sure there are cheaper artists out there. Thankfully most people are fine with my prices and willing to save up. But ever now and again theres one rude person who wants it free and complain when you give them a price :P
And I totally agree with you about an artist's prices. If someone likes that artist enough to want to commission him/her, then they should also respect them enough to agree that their artwork is worth whatever they're asking for it. That's the onlydecent thing to do, IMO.
Anything.
But I'm not the kind of person to go asking people (directly at least) for art.
I simply offer ideas. I'm an idea person.
But I'm sure you got something interesting to say about that, or others might, so I will digress and hope everyone will grow a brain and realize payment can come in many forms.
But yeah Im always open to genral ideas on the basis that there is no pressure to do them :D just kind of drawing them when the time and ability is there :D
*hug*
Most of my ideas are just that: Ideas.
There's no pressure on anything, but it's always fun to know someone's working on something you described and such, hmm?
Unfortunately that's kind of the best I can do: Describing things.
I dislike uploading written files to FA, just a pet peeve of mine, but my site might show some insight in what I am capable of writing in terms of characters if you're interested?
Scenes.. now I haven't really worked on those much. Probably one of my recent journal entries would show how I poked up a scene idea for an image.
Whether someone draws it or not is entirely up to them, even though I used the word 'need' in the title, I think.
Bwah.. it's 3:32am over here as I type.. nini..
I may have a look on your page tomorrow or after I get through responding to posts ^_^ *sleep well dear :D
*PS I was too shy at the time, but the photo of you is made of cute :3*
Only statement I actually partially disagree with. In the real world, there are people unable to get jobs/can draw but not good enough, or are tired of getting ripped off.
But for the most part I agree.
I am glad you posted this. I can understabd free art for friends or trades but just doing them for any old person it eats your time when you could be doing something more worthwhile.
You go girl!
We need to be good to our fandom. Our artists especially. And I certainly hope I've done my part in showing you some good 'ole fashioned appreciation.
In regards to contests, it seems a bit cynical to treat them all as 'art traps' trying to capture free art from unsuspecting artists. After all if the prize offered is something they wanted and it's proven the prize exists and went to one of the contestants then complaining after losing that they got the art for free is more sour grapes than anything else. Now if it's later shown there was no prize that's naturally a different thing entirely, but that's why you check into any contest before submitting, just like with anything else.
Putting artwork out free in some situations, like ads, for advertising your work is also a valid process, goes on all the time. People will donate their product or services to something in hopes the advertising it gets pays off the investment of the item in question being given away free. If someone feels they have to be paid for everything well that's fine, but not everyone feels they have to be paid for everything.
In the end it's really up to the individual writer or artist what they feel like charging or not charging for something, and they shouldn't be pressured to go one way or the other.
Though for your case it makes absolute sense, however im a novice artist so i dont have to worry to much about being swarmed by such things...though it maybe a very inappropriate time but do u mind if i do yeah some free gift art?
I'm a member of a reptile forum. One of the posters asked if "someone" would consider making a logo for them, drawn but based on a photograph. Now, I've met the poster in question - he sold me some breeding stock for my reptile food colony and without me having to ask showed me some of his more unusual reptiles, and I'm already well-disposed toward him because of that. I'm a sucker for seeing species that most zoos do not keep.
So I decided "hey, I've got a free Saturday morning, why not?" If nothing else, the design was something interesting to draw and not something I've drawn before, so it was good practice.
Of the folks who tried, I was the only one who actually DREW the logo instead of doing a photomanipulation. It did take me several hours - but it was a fun several hours, and I rather enjoyed doing it, since I don't often do drawings of 'normal' reptiles.
The poster liked it, and sent me a private message asking me for a larger version because he'd like to use it as a logo for his shop on his site and advertisements - and by the way, did I want paying for it? He offered, I didn't have to ask... and what I asked for was "If you happen to see X, Y or Z snake going cheap, can you keep me in mind?" I'd planned to ask for this regardless of whether he offered to pay - because I know he's very well connected in the reptile world, and knowing someone like that is useful when you want to find more unusual species.
What I had in mind was something like "If you see one of these, since you run a reptile shop and can get transport cheaper than I can - and because you can buy them at cost, more often than not - can you get it to Yorkshire for me and maybe do me a discount?"
What's actually going to happen is that he'll have a look at the European breeders and reptile shows and pick me up one or a pair of nice animals... and it's because he sees "I got a nice piece of artwork that might have cost me a fortune if I'd hired a full-time professional designer, and the artist wants something in exchange that *I* can get easily - so we both win. I get my artwork for little cost to me - and she gets her snakes for little cost to her."
I do so love the barter system.
While I agree that it sucks if people keep pestering you for free art, I think it's important to realize that the fandom as a whole is a lot more... personal... than the world of professional illustration. Generally speaking, people do gift art and art trades all the time in the fandom, whereas such a thing is practically unheard of in professional illustration.
Furry art is primarily a hobby, not a business. Sure, you can make money and even live off doing it, but if you're looking at it as a sole source of income or expect the same things as if you were a freelance graphic designer then I think you'll be sorely disappointed.
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Wait; something wrong there.... *sits down, pondering* :?
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Heyas, UV!
Jus' a quick p.s./nod in passing.
Was watching the thread, throughout; *nods* appreciate the sentiment and good to see those replies & discussion. But, then, I wasn't expecting any flame wars to be erupting on your journal, really. ;)
*chuffchuffs* Cheers,
David. ^^
p.s. Jus' my 02 cents (around 60 cents an hour, I guess :)
Given how you've mentioned Hida in the past now and again, I'm inclined to believe that he either talks to a -lot- of artists, or that you are perhaps local to Calgary. am I way off base here, or should I be inviting you out to the Edmonton Yap & Draws? ;3 Either way, he's lovable to death.