Any chance to have it more one action is free, and like 2 actions are gold for each character? That way gold has more to it than free, but the characters are there?

We're keeping an open mind. But we'll try it the way I've described for now and see how it goes.

Okay, I was just thinking of a balancing way to help yah.

The way the Free Trial scene will go will most likely change so we appreciate the feedback. :)

Why only temporary, though?

because when we make it permanent then there's an overabundance of Free scenes, when this is subscription content. The idea is more to showcase what gold has to offer and switch it up so that it stays fresh.

Ohhhh, okay. I just looked back through your journals at the announcement. I didn't know free members were now considered the punching bags of the userbase. I see now. Got it.

I'm not a subscriber, but I know where Crow is coming from. I don't shunt trailers for free.

"I don't shunt trailers for free."

Hoooooo boy, I would looooooove to tackle this, but I think I won't. I'm just gonna walk away and have a good laugh.

Okay. I didn't realize the free userbase would complain about getting access to more free content monthly. I see now. Got it.

Free content that doesn't stay free isn't "free content". So, stop calling it that.

Free Members can access it. Permanence doesn't change that. Trial content implies it's either free or for a smaller price. In our case it's free. We could call it a trial scene or something to that effect, but the point is it's for Free Members.

Do you get the content? Yes.
Do you have to pay for it? No.

That means that that content is free. That it is not free at some other point in time does not change that it is currently content which is free, (i.e. it's free content).

So the people already paying for gold are the ones who are going to vote for the limited time content for free users which doesn't affect the gold members at all. Followed by an advertisement to join gold status by paying to vote for content that wont affect you at all because you'll be paying for gold status? Literally no reasoning behind this.

Think about it this way: This voting is asking the current paying members to answer the question "what content do you think will get someone to switch from free to pay?" Asking those members is worth it because not only can they see the content in question but because they should have some idea of what scenes/characters are the ones that say to them "you _have_ to keep up your paid membership so you can see stuff like this!"

The more people that pay, the better able they are to produce more content or otherwise improve the site. Thus, getting more paying members is a benefit to the current paying members and it is to their advantage to pick the stuff that will attract the money of currently free users.

You do realize that the vote has literally nothing to do with them, correct? There is no correlation between the paying members and this vote for temporary free release, they get nothing out of it and "what character will most likely bring in paying subscriptions?" is purely subjective. The release of premium content temporarily each month has nothing to do with the gold members, they get nothing out of voting for it. On top of that, everyone outside of gold membership already knows what to expect with gold membership. Its the exact same as a free membership except with more characters. Crowchild isn't magically animating 300% better for the gold membership payers, hes still doing the same thing for them as is available with the free members. Having people vote for something literally affects them in no way shape or form what so ever is a dumb waste of time. Especially when this concept can easily be done by the staff members themselves just using a random number generator or even picking an order and cycling through the characters each month. Honestly, if you asked me, it should be done that way where its just a set rotation each month because there's no reason to run a vote by people who already have the content for people who don't have the content. What if it becomes a popularity vote and the same few characters are constantly being voted? What if people realize the vote is literally the most pointless thing and stop voting because, once again, they have no reason to vote because the vote does nothing for them in the first place? You don't need to bring your paying customers into a matter that has nothing to do with them. A scenario like this should be handled by the company/group behind it because really, how hard is it to just do it yourself choose and rotate your temporarily free advertisements for gold status?

Also as for your second statement, we both know its false. The site has pretty much been roughly the same since launch so its not gonna suddenly change anytime soon just because he gets a few more gold members. It works and that's what matters to them. Also crow could be making twice as much money right now and he wouldn't magically start producing content at twice the speed he can just because of that. Especially if you remember years ago when he tried to promise people 3 ~ 5 new girls for gold members and 1 ~ 2 new girls for free members a month with however many scenes that were promised. More money simply means more funds and more funds means crow can keep this train wreck going longer.

We can pick for ourselves, we're doing it this way because we thought it'd be something to add to Patreon. If it's a dud and no one votes or cares, then we'll pick ourselves. It's not that big of a deal. The plan is to have rotating Free content regardless of what happens on Patreon. Nothing is set in stone. The point is that we want to offer some additional Free content.

When we started production we had a very small cast, after adding over 50 new characters to HTH, eventually we have to start working back to revising scenes so we can't do new characters forever. And we didn't promise anything, it's a business plan, those change as the business grows and evolves. And you're referring to the scenes. it was 2-3 new characters, 3-5 scenes. 1 Free characters, with 1-2 scenes which the bare minimum is 4 scenes. We've always made at least 4 scene updates. At this point we're releasing a scene a week which is on par with how a lot of web comics update. And still 4 updates, which is what we set out to do. With the Free trial scene that will make 5 updates. The only thing we haven't been doing lately is 2 new characters. We usually do at least 1 new character, but working on RLD is giving us the opportunity to add more new characters again.

If the same content wins all the time Crowchild can do two things. First, institute a cooldown for characters who won, (e.g. something that wins in January is barred from the February vote, has it's votes count at a ¼ rate in the March vote and ½ in the April vote). Second, use that information to know what kind of content is popular and thus what should get priority.

The users having an easy way to say "we really like A, B and C, could you make more like that please?" has an obvious benefit for those users. That this is tied to a system that also directly benefits another group of users and the site itself does not eliminate that benefit.

As for my second statement, perhaps you should have read all of it rather than treating "more content" as the only possible improvement. Furthermore, there are going to be thresholds where more paying users mean more content due to reaching points where hiring someone becomes feasible, (either to directly create content or to take up non-creative tasks to free up more time for content creation).

This has been pretty much a solo gig for crow from the beginning, everyone else has been PR or site management, I doubt he's thought about hiring new animators to help with the work load otherwise he could have considered that long ago and posted about it in order to harbor the support to support such a change. On top of that he seems pretty set with the direction he wants to take with HTH (even if its going that way in the slowest pace possible) so hiring new people could be a positive or a negative since it really depends on how well he can convey his vision to others and how well others can perform to achieve that. So really that statement becomes a non-factor. Other than that, this isn't a popularity vote for new content for specific characters, its a vote for temporary free content per month. This should and most likely will have no weight on the future content's direction. You seem hopeful that more money will mean various factors that will support this project even better but it really hasn't changed much or at all over how many years its been going with its content. I don't know how long you've been following the project but I've been following it since the beginning enough to know that you're giving the project more credit than it probably deserves and what you expect from a larger support pool is pretty far fetched.

Also crow has already said they'll probably end up doing it themselves should the vote become unused which I personally think it should just be from the beginning but whatever, it'll probably be used for the first few months but I doubt it'll last without any incentive to do so.

We have discussed hiring on animators and other artists. In fact we did a few years back, and we were at our slowest production wise. We've learned a lot from our first foray into hiring people and we have plans for what we'll do differently in the future. At this point we need to wait for more funds before we can hire on new animators. It's even a milestone goal. on Patreon. So yes it is on the table.

Other than that, this isn't a popularity vote for new content for specific characters, its a vote for temporary free content per month.

That's a false dichotomy, the results of the vote can easily be used for both purposes. Even a vote which is designed and presented solely as one to give a treat to free users still results in useful information about what is liked or considered enticing.

This should and most likely will have no weight on the future content's direction.

Because artists who are selling their work should ignore the results of asking people known to be willing to pay money for the art questions like "what do you like the most?" or "what do you think will get people to join you in paying money?"


That you continue to pretend I only suggested using more money to directly pay for additional content creators is noted and your implicit admission that you have no argument against other uses of such money for non-content improvements or the removal of non-creative tasks to other people is accepted.

You seem set on thinking that this can and will be used to gauge the popular vote and used for future content. Can it be used for that purpose? Yes, yes it can be. Will it be used for that purpose? Chances are likely not, and that's what I'm talking about. Can it be used to gauge the most popular characters? Yes, it can be, but that's not the actual definitive purpose of this poll which is why you're missing the point of what I'm saying. There is a difference between can and will and this poll will be used to dictate the temporary free content but can but might or most likely not be used to dictate the future content. If crowchild wanted to use polls to dictate the future content he would be doing exactly that through patreon and have people specifically vote on a list of things rather than go through a completely different poll that isn't serving that purpose.

Also what non-content improvements would you like to have then? If anything I'd rather have the money go towards another artist for additional creation of art assets but then that would mean they would have to match crow's style, otherwise we'll have a jumbled mess of various styles that could split the game. Or another coder to help actually implement new mechanics in the game which is also a content concept, or even another animator to use crow's assets which also falls under content. Its nice to know that they've considered this though and that its at least a milestone on patreon. Other than that, the actual content of the game is the most important aspect so honestly, even if you argue that more funds can be used for non-creative tasks, what matters in the end is the content. The non-creative tasks arent the things that people want to be paying for, they want to pay for content and updates. Those tasks are important to remember but regardless the content itself should be a top priority whenever it can be.

No matter what the intent of the vote, it is still going to give that information. I'm simply not assuming that Crow will mindlessly toss away that information. You are also using another false dichotomy, as there are options between letting a source of information dictate future plans and totally ignoring that information.

You also don't seem to understand that any online service has all sorts of needs beyond simply creating the content. Mostly all the stuff that is needed in order to deliver that content, (e.g. keeping the server running, which is not even close to a zero effort task for anything that needs to accept externally initiated network connections). The most obvious non-content improvement is, naturally, better hardware, (both to serve the content and to be used in its creation).

People might not be interested in the non-creative tasks but without those tasks being done they don't get any of the creative content. To make an analogy, getting a painting on your wall involves not only an artist to paint it, but a driver to deliver it.

Im personally assuming crow will mindlessly toss that information away because that's how he lost a lot of interest when he made those massive design changes across the board with most if not all the characters at the time despite there being a pretty large amount of people who expressed their opinion of the older designs being better and diverse for characters such as Jezzel and Bella. Probably don't see that at all anymore due to the forum becoming a hug box for crow, plenty of criticism and infamy outside those walls though.

Also I understand plenty that online services require upkeep and expenses but you seem to not understand that you also need a reason to use those services. This "game" still literally has no content at all in terms of actual mechanics. Character creation is still just "select a cock type" and nothing else, there are no tasks or quests to do, characters are set in stone with their location and have no relationship mechanics in place, money and stats are still a non-factor, it might as well be a glorified flash gallery since there's nothing to actually do in it. To which that basically just means crow is wasting a lot of resources when he could just be publishing the flash files for each character scene separately and host them elsewhere (kind of like how the pirating is going), which then comes back to how I say that content should take priority because that's the bread and butter that's going to earn you your keep. I do not deny that server upkeep and costs are important, they really are, but they're worthless if they're supporting nothing. Crow doesnt actually have to use his own website, his own forum, his own servers to make this kind of game. There's plenty of other options to be explored that can reduce non-content costs, but these were his choices and them's the breaks. You can hang the painting on your wall but whats the purpose if its a blank canvas or ultimately unfinished forever.

We can go back and forth about this forever about content vs hardware so we should just agree to disagree. I personally feel like content should be the highest priority since that's the incentive to join gold membership status and support the game. You personally feel like they should focus more on the ground they're building on and making a more stable website and beefier servers, and that isn't wrong or a bad thing. Both of our opinions are valid but subjective with priorities being opposite on the spectrum.

I take in all the information I'm given, I simply can't do everything that people want. The characters were changed because I was drawing them wrong. I don't want all my characters to be muscled beefcakes with boobs, which is what they were. As my skills improved, I'm getting a handle on feminine vs masculine. I do want to improve as an artist. I'm not going to keep drawing them the way that is anatomically wrong just because people are used to them that way. I don't see how making their bodies more feminine was a bad decision.

Part of our Patreon is getting more game mechanics into HTH. The updates are funding this, which means they have to take priority so I can pay bills. There is a lot more game mechanics planned that I've been working on. The Alpha Team can see how far the character creator is going which is much further than what is in the main game. Nothing's been ignored. I'm just one person and code help in flash is basically nonexistent. Though I've tried. And starting over with a new code language will take longer. Especially because I have to learn it. Plus getting help requires money to pay people, which I'm unable to do at this time. So my options are limited. It's basically go at this pace, and keep at it until it's done.

Also, I don't own the servers but I do have to pay to host my site through them. I do have to update my hardware from time to time, but that's part of the business. Do I need funds for this, yes. Which is why scenes take priority. People are paying for the sex, and as much as I'd like to focus on game mechanics, I have to split my time with what is paying the bills. Do I think people would be more interested in HTH if there was more to do than just characters? Of course! But I can't stop making scenes in order to do that.

But I want nothing but muscled cheesecake with boobs!

I love Amazonian furries/scalies!

Also, thanks for knocking a hole in the paywall!

It's fine for some characters, but that's not what I wanted for my entire cast.

Amazonian Goldie.

That would be awesome.

So aside from all the.. discussion.. I would love to see what you guys have.
Personally I'd pay for premium if it took PayPal and hit you on patreon without question if I had it spare. I have enjoyed this project all the time I've known of it (however many years on that may be.)

Crow aside from everything else I want to say thank you and the crew. Even if no free content I'll pop on to enjoy from time to time. Even if it's not "the best" I still hold this game in a special place.

Keep killin it my doods. Much love

Would rather see fixes and streamlining than 'new' content. Even the current wave of 'fixes' are lackluster.

You have more than enough content (characters/environment/possible options that have already been showcased in one way or another) to make a great piece if you focus on finishing what you've got it would be a far better product than this constant new skinning on an incomplete lattice of mechanics. This is a problem/route many game makers do these days. It works for a short lived game with micro transactions but given how much you've put into this project you should treat it as a long term project.


I've seen a few things I've loved that were later removed. Personally, I'd pay for downloadable unchanging iterations.

just wondering if any of the characters will get their old free scenes back and if there is hope for some permanent free stuff?
I used to really like the game and play it a few times a week. But now that it has become like those other idioic freemieum furry games that you'll find online, it's said to say I don't play it a lot anymore :'(
And I realy miss the scenes with those characters, like the polarbear, the futa and the other girls. I even miss the hall where you could visit the horse in her shower.
I know I'm not the only one who is bothered by this, who doenst have the money to buy everything he wants and who just wants to play this game the way it was.
so I just hope that oneday some of ghe old thigs will come back, until that day I will be elsewhere.
You used to be cool. but now you're not

I go to the website and there's no link to access my free member account or anything besides going to the store and getting a gold member subscription. How do I access my free member account?