Hey, computer geeks!
7 years ago
I need some advice. I'm putting together a secret present for someone important to me for the holidays, and I have NO idea what I'm doing.
I'd like to put together a decent, but not over-the-top gaming desktop for a friend of mine who plays a lot of Steam games. He's not one of those RTS, like. . . 0.00005 of a second matters guys, he just needs a setup that's reliable and (for my own sake) reasonably priced.
Happily for me, I have a redundant GEForce GTX 980 Ti card already, I just need. . . everything else. And again, I have no clue what I'm doing.
If someone could list for me what they personally think I should be looking for, and perhaps, if you're feeling super generous, where I might find it for reasonable prices? I'd be really grateful. I have a friend who can put the whole thing together for me, and says he can find a reasonable case/tower. So basically I just need the guts.
What I DON'T need -
Video Card
Screen
Mouse
Keyboard
Case/Tower
What I DO need-
Uh. . . everything else. Whatever that entails.
- EDIT -
Just wanted to say thank you, everyone! All the info you've dropped here has been extremely helpful!
I'd like to put together a decent, but not over-the-top gaming desktop for a friend of mine who plays a lot of Steam games. He's not one of those RTS, like. . . 0.00005 of a second matters guys, he just needs a setup that's reliable and (for my own sake) reasonably priced.
Happily for me, I have a redundant GEForce GTX 980 Ti card already, I just need. . . everything else. And again, I have no clue what I'm doing.
If someone could list for me what they personally think I should be looking for, and perhaps, if you're feeling super generous, where I might find it for reasonable prices? I'd be really grateful. I have a friend who can put the whole thing together for me, and says he can find a reasonable case/tower. So basically I just need the guts.
What I DON'T need -
Video Card
Screen
Mouse
Keyboard
Case/Tower
What I DO need-
Uh. . . everything else. Whatever that entails.
- EDIT -
Just wanted to say thank you, everyone! All the info you've dropped here has been extremely helpful!
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Rukas. Make sure you get at least a 300w power supply. If it's too underpowered, you can literally damage the system over time, and I believe a high-powered video card can pull some serious power. Just check it with the site.
That card has a TDP of 250w, and it can pull more than that under load... It does double as a handy room heater though!
I'm never able to keep up with what the best stuff this second, but I do know RAM is rather expensive right now, so might want to do some deal hunting there.
And I bet whomever else answers will certainly say the same thing, but I'd highly recommend getting an SSD over the ol' spinny disks. Definitely the biggest bang for the buck you can do :)
Good luck, that's super awesome of you to be doing that!
I could help you with it in just a few minutes. If memory serves me right, you're from the United States, right? The website PCPartPicker comes in handy. It will only search for prices of stuff bought new, but maybe that's for the better in case a component fails...
(He already has a screen he says, I hope it's at least a good 1080p one ;p)
It generally comes down to "do you want older games (greater than 2 years)" or "do you want current and up-and-coming games?"
Even going with "older is fine" you can't really get away with spending less than about $800. Fortunately you already have a video card, which is one of the more expensive pieces, but that still only cuts your expenses down about $150. CPUs are expensive as balls.
I'd say to run over to PortaTech and spec things out, if nothing else. Their markup on building it (instead of just sending you pieces) is pretty small. I priced it out once and it was something like $50 to $75 cheaper to buy parts and build it myself vs. buying it prebuilt from PortaTech (including installing Windows).
I did link you to the "barebones" page, which lets you opt-out of parts (complete systems does not), so you can do things like "I have a video card, I don't need this" or "I've already got a hard drive, don't bother." (of course, they can't install Windows if you aren't buying a hard drive). The only things you can't opt-out of are the mother board, CPU (for obvious reasons), and a case (a cheap case is like $20).
One of the advantages is that they show you the Passmark ratings of the CPUs and GPUs to give you a rough estimate of how "fast" things are, along with the prices of each part.
A few notes:
- SSD are super fast, pretty cheap, and decently sized these days. I picked up a 250GB one for $70 just yesterday. I'd have gone smaller if they had smaller (windows only needs about 20GB).
- M.2 SSDs are a thing. Be aware of this form-factor design and that some motherboards support it and some do not. Instead of looking like tiny hard (platter) drives out of a laptop, they look more like ram sticks with the pins on the short side instead of the long side.
- smaller is fine if you also get/have a large capacity platter drive. 1TB and 2TB drives are super cheap. I use one for all my steam games (and a separate 500gb older platter drive for all my other programs and a third for user data)
- 8GB of ram is usually sufficient these days (and not too expensive). 1 stick, 2 sticks, and 4 sticks are all pretty much equivalent. Best would be 2 sticks, due to the load balancing the system can do. Its less important than it used to be, but its still slightly better to have an even number of sticks (and having slots free gives you upgrade space).
- power supply, you'll probably need on the order of 650 watts. Check if the video card needs supplemental power, if so, what kind of connector. Make sure the PSU has that connector.
...Works great as a room heater in the winter though. Yes, I'm serious, you'd be amazed how quickly it can add several degrees Celcius to the room temperature with even just a few hours of gaming... Even more so if you're running a constant load on it (like Folding@Home, or one of the BOINC GPU projects).
Obvious thing though, is depending on how old one's rig is, upgrading from what once used to be a top tier graphics card (let's say, GTX 780 Ti) you'll see lower power consumption (and therefore less heat in the room) but have a more powerful setup with something like a GTX 1060 6GB.
EDIT: This was posted as a reply to THEbigcat, but for some reason keeps being put under NN-Blackrider. Weird.
As for budgets, I freeze LGA 775 for a reason - parts are cheap and plentiful, so if you break them, well... Doesn't hurt the wallet anywhere near as much ^_^;;; (Hurts your pride when you short out the VCA's on your new board before it goes cold though. Ooops. I accidentally put the metal backplate first, instead of my usual paper towel-insulation-backplate sandwich... Didn't even get magic smoke or bad smell, just OCP single tick of death from the PSU)
About the PCIE connectors... in theory with an adapter it should work.
RAM-wise you probably only need 8-16GB for most games. More than 16 is usually a waste: that's more for editing and other computationally intensive tasks.
Definitely go for a solid state drive: much faster than spinning platters and gives you a highly noticeable speedboost. You don't need to go crazy: usually 256gb to 512 is enough for the operating system and the game software: data and stuff can be stored on external (or secondary internal) hard drives. NVMe is very fast interface, but SATA is probably good and much cheaper.
PM me if you wanna chat some more. I work in IT professionally (for now) and I'd be happy to help for all of your awesome storytelling over the years (you're the reason I still follow furry art :) ).
A decent AMD FX cpu which is the previous generation will get you a cheap processor with plenty of power.
8GB is certainly enough for just about any game I've come across. the only reason I have 16 in my workstation is because I need to run virtual machines for work ;)
I do recommend you get a platter drive for game data, Get a WD Black if you can -- they perform magnificently also as a system drive. If you have to choose between a 256GB SSD and a 1TB platter WD, go for the platter drive. Games are space hungry.
This does assume 16gb RAM, and you might be able to get by with 8gb, but I'd still personally recommend the 16.
At that price, there isn't a ton of difference (I plugged in a few different Ryzen to check)
That Intel is also not a bad CPU, but it's motherboard may no longer be supported; it's not clear that future CPUs that Intel makes will be compatible with it. It's also considerably pricier than other options from the competition with similar performance (Ryzen 2200G), or considerably less powerful than similar priced options (Ryzen 2600), both of which use motherboards that will be supported until 2020 at least. The Intel, anyway, is not a bad buy at all, but it's not personally the one I'd pick.
Ryzen 2200G (Similar performance, but 70$ less)
Ryzen 2600 (Similar price, but much higher performance)
And a motherboard for them
The other parts could stay the same; this would merely be the "AMD alternative" to the Intel list up there. I personally would pick the 2600 one, for similar price, and much better futureproofing.
Could you just make me a list of everything you suggested, all in one? I'm trying to make sense of it all and I'm getting a bit lost :P
No problem :p
I took some liberties there: changed to motherboard to a slightly better and more feature rich one for 2$ more, and changed the RAM to a cheaper brand with the exact same size, speed and latency.
Power supply, CPU cooler and hard disk are the same ones.
If you wanted to save some money, you could remove the CPU cooler, as the Ryzen already comes with one in the box. However, for the 28$ is costs, it's MUCH better than the one bundled with the CPU... so that means the CPU can run at faster speeds without overheating. I'd keep it.
I'm just a paranoid subzero bencher though, who before he got into subzero benching, still did separate cabling for each of the PCIe power plugins. Some PSUs throw a fit about it due to current draw, others usually don't.
There's a huge difference in power requirements between those two cards, doubly so if you look at the reference card power connectors - Non-Ti is 2x6 pin, while the Ti is an 8-pin and a 6-pin, although most aftermarket boards were 2x8-pin connectors.
EDIT: So annoying that it keeps putting replies to various people at the bottom of it all >.>;;; This was a reply to Legandaryhon.
True enough. I'm just worried that if one were to play high detail GTA V or other game that has a reasonably high demands that that single line going to both 8-pin plugs on the graphics card might become an issue if the graphics card were put under full 100% load.
The SSD :p
35$ for 240GB. Low tier, but should do the trick, while being much faster than an HDD still.
Also, ditto other comments on the SSD.
Suggested alterations:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ppDB9J
You can get a system similar to mine, depending on your budget. Cheapest CPU would be AMD's Ryzen. There are a lot of Ryzen varieties available, and typically the one with the highest number is 'better.' I have a Ryzen 5 1600 CPU, which is sufficient enough to not cause any bottlenecking with the GTX 980 Ti.
Now, with the Ryzen, you'd need a motherboard that supports that type of CPU and socket. The AMD Ryzen is labeled as using the AM4 socket ( https://www.amd.com/en/products/chipsets-am4 ), so you can look up socket information on which is good for your budget and needs - any should be fine.
Next up, RAM. DDR4 RAM is required for the Ryzen CPUs. RAM these days are sorta pricy. Get at the VERY MINIMUM 8GB of RAM. 16GB is sufficient and enough for most users. RAM speeds will be labeled in Mhz. The higher, the better, but again, go with your budget. (I have 3000Mhz RGB RAM)
Power Supply. Get a name-branded power supply. Don't skimp out on this as you may experience some issues like the computer suddenly shutting down due to the 980 Ti sucking up all the power. Semi-modular or Modular are fine. Modular basically means it has detachable cables, making it much easier to do cable management while setting things up. A 750-watt PSU is good for what you need.
Operating system. Windows 10, at minimum. Windows 7 is being phased out and newer games are starting to only support on Windows 10. If he already has Windows 10, he can download it for free off Microsoft's web site and transfer his license over to the new computer.
This is all the basics! If you need help or unsure about ANYTHING, feel free to comment or note me and I can walk you through more things in detail.
Here's a rundown:
CPU: AMD Ryzen is cheap and good.
RAM: DDR3 is cheap, but only compatible for older CPUs; DDR4 is required for Ryzen.
PSU: 750-watt; name-branded. Some are labeled as 'Certified,' those are more reliable.
OS: Windows 10
I'm not sure if I am missing anything else
EDIT: Forgot harddrive
SSDs are cheap now. GET IT.
Also have a backup secondary traditional (mechanical) hard drive of at least 1TB.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wCdsWD
The basic items you'll need.
-Mother board
-CPU
-RAM
-Hard Drives (SDD and/or HDD)
-Power supply (min 600watts)
One pointer i got from a friend, is to start out by finding a CPU that can handle the games you like to play and then finding a mother board that fits it.
For the RAM you'll need anywhere between 8-16gb worth.
Another good idea is to have a two drive setup, a SDD (solid drive for boot up and operating software) and a HDD (regular hard drive to store programs, etc.)
I'm not a computer expert, but i am also looking to build one myself so I've been researching what i can. Sorry that i can't help you much more than that. x3
Also, if you insist on using Windows as an OS you need to include buying a copy of windows 10 in your budget.
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Corsair Memory Kit 16GB DDR4 2400MHz - https://amzn.to/2PTSGIn - $119.74
Crucial MX500 500GB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD - https://amzn.to/2qKPVL8 - $82.95
Monoprice 18-inch SATA III Cable - https://amzn.to/2K5POCK - $4.99 - not sure if motherboard already has it, but these are inexpensive and it's always nice to have them around in case you need them. Nothing worse than having a hard-drive but not being able to plug it in.
EVGA Supernova 650W Fully Modular Power Supply - https://amzn.to/2OLg9Xl - $79.83
[Optional, might need for convenience depending on case] Corsair Dual SSD Mounting Bracket 3.5" - https://amzn.to/2DEDGbn - $7.77
Converts 3.5" (normal mechanical hard-drive size) drive bay to 2.5", which is how big the SSD is.
$617.24 for everything.
The CPU is a very high-performing and is good value for the money. It comes with no cooler, so I picked out a compatible cooler. (Compatibility based on the socket of the CPU, which is socket AM4). I also picked out thermal paste, which is required to be applied between the CPU and the cooler to aid in heat transfer by filling all gaps.
The Motherboard is an ATX form-factor board, which most cases should fit assuming they are not quite small. It is compatible with the CPU, and has all the lovely bells and whistles you desire, while being from a high quality brand. Important to spend at least a little on this, since all other components plug into the motherboard. If it fails, it can take other components with it.
The memory is just good brand 16gb of memory. Spending more for higher speed memory is not worth it, because it does not translate into very noticeable performance increases. 8GB of memory these days really just feels too restrictive, especially if you like browsing with lots of tabs or just having a lot of stuff going on in general.
The hard drive is just a high quality 500gb SSD. SSDs are just much more reliable and much, much faster than mechanical hard drives nowadays. 500GB is enough for the ever-growing windows installation, and for a wide variety of Steam games and downloads. Additional storage can easily be added later. The SATA cable will just facilitate connecting it to the motherboard.
The power supply is 650W, which is more than sufficient for this build. If your friend plans on doing SLI (multiple graphics cards) they might need something beefier. Otherwise not. More importantly it's fully modular, which makes managing the tangle of cables in the case MUCH easier. Only attach the power cables you need! Do not use any power supply that was included in a case, as a rule, in case you do already have one in the case. They are generally much, much lower quality.
The adapter might be useful if your case does not have any 2.5" bays built in to fit the smaller SSDs. It's not mandatory, but it is nice to have something they lock onto. Worst case though you can just have it loose in the case and it will still work. SSDs do not case very much about being jostled a tiny bit, so long as their cables stay in.
That's my take. Take it as you will, or not!
Also: https://www.hrkgame.com/en/games/pr.....-oem-pc-cd-key
The entire place is full of advice, recommendations, example builds, guides and links to different retailers with price comparisons.
Well worth giving it a look!
You can probably play more with memory and motherboard to bring the cost down, but as it stands, that build is configured with a Ryzen 7 1700 CPU on an Asus B450 motherboard with 16GB of ram. 8 is fine, 16 is very nice to have. It has a very solid 970 Evo 250 GB SSD and a 1TB WD Black HDD, and both those parts can still be played with for cost, but are very solid performers. The PSU is a more budget-oriented one, but has more than enough power to run near its efficiency peak under load and have some overhead.
A shopping list of parts you need that you do not already have
- one motherboard
- one CPU with heat sink and fan (e.g. AMD or Intel)
- one power supply with enough wattage & cables for the motherboard, drives, and graphic card
note: the case you have may have a power supply already.
- memory. This depends on the motherboard you buy
- one hard drive. 500GB or 1TB SATA should be adequate
- one operating system (e.g. Windows 10 [$140] or Linux [free but may have game compatibility issues] )
- one DVD drive (many games come on DVD disks)
note: all these must be comparable with your case
The choose of these components cover such a range, depending on features, that I can not give general advice.
Here are some articles that may help give you some ideas about component choose:
Gaming PC build on a budget: the best parts for an affordable gaming PC
October 11, 2018
https://www.pcgamer.com/pc-build-gu.....get-gaming-pc/
The Best Budget $500 Gaming PC – Good & Cheap Build (UPDATED 2018)
November 13, 2018
https://www.wepc.com/builds/best-ga.....der-500-guide/
The Best $1000 Gaming PC That Will Own 2018
October 25, 2018
https://www.wepc.com/builds/best-ga.....er-1000-guide/
How to Build a Kick-Ass Gaming PC for Less Than $1,000
September 17, 2018
https://www.pcmag.com/article/36341.....ess-than-1-000
Easy Builder
https://www.ibuypower.com/Config/EasyBuilder
I hope you enjoy the journey.
TG
Can it run my game?
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Can you Run It?
https://www.game-debate.com/can-I-run/
I hope you enjoy the journey.
TG
Integrated sound is more than good enough these days. It used to be a big deal to have a standalone sound card. No more. I'm not sure what I can provide that others haven't already brought up.
There is one thing I'm curious about. What kind of monitor does your friend have? That's pretty important as well, and often overlooked. The nicer ones don't come cheap, but you can find some deals this time of the year.
Best of luck with your endeavor. You're quite a good friend to do this. I admire you for it. Then you always come across as a very kind person to me. It shines through in everything you do.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2R46LJ
This doesn't include the price of windows 10 which is ~$100. If you have an old computer around you could always reuse the license from that. If not, this is with windows 10 included:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mw3q9J
if it is super critical that you stay close to $500 and you need to buy windows you can reduce the amount of RAM to 8GB, like this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h446LJ
The processor is last years model instead of one of the newest ones since the graphics card you have is a bit older; a more powerful processor won't make any difference in games. I also wouldn't go with a cheap power supply since this will be a fairly high end computer.
I recommend newegg for most parts. They not only have great prices usually (shop around to be sure) but their reviews and rating system are good, and they have this 'newegg recommends' thing which is usually a sign of quality.
Make sure you get a beefy power supply. I recommend 800w or more. These days that really matters. And make sure it's 80 gold certified or better, in my humble opinion. Absolutely don't buy any power supply that doesn't have an 80% certification.
Don't spend a lot on the case unless you're buying a fancy Lian-Li or similar. And if you want a fancy case, buy a Lian-Li. I've been using the same Lian-Li case since 2000 and it's still one of the best I've ever seen.
Best of luck.
On a serious note I think if you saw my infrastructure you'd agree its a title I've earned.
But...I have had constant issues with the FX series. For me at least, they've consistently caused horrific stuttering. 1-2 second lockups every 10-30 seconds. That's death in any online game. It's not much more in cost to avoid the FX series altogether honestly, even the most barebones Ryzen would be better. Maybe the newer generations are better, but I've been burned pretty badly. I had the 8370E and it was a trainwreck. ( http://www.tomshardware.com/answers.....cpus-cpus.html )
WD blacks are outstanding - I can also recommend a firecuda, it's a hybrid drive and it's a nice inbetween performance-wise for HDD and SSDs. I've got my OS on a 250gb SSD and everything else on a 2tb firecuda and it works great.
8GB is an acceptable amount of RAM as long as you're not going to play any particularly new games - especially if you intend to do multitasking such as running a game and running, say, a browser, especially if you fancy chrome, as it's a RAMwhore. Even just instant messaging apps like discord, telegram, skype and the like add up surprisingly fast. I had 8 on my old build and it was with one exception a struggle to have a game going with anything else, even if it was just telegram and discord.
I agree with others that you'd want a minimum of 800w for a power supply, pcpartpicker will let you make a 'build' and tell you how much wattage it will use, you'll want a power supply that's between 150-200% more than predicted usage - because wattage is fluid and if you get too low wattage a power supply, you'll just have it randomly lose power. I had a bronze certified on my old build, and never had a single issue - BUT higher ratings such as silver, gold, platinum will have progressively more safety measures as you go up in tier. If you're not willing to be sure to turn off and unplug your rig during high winds or thunderstorms, you'd be better off getting a higher-rated one to lessen the chances of things getting fried (or find a PROPER surge protector, the ones with fuses, the fuse will burn out as a sacrificial part instead of the surge getting to your pc and frying parts of IT).
Also, you can get a legitimate key for win10 on ebay for like. $5. They salvage keys from no longer functioning units, it's a great way to get a legitimate key - and microsoft will happily get you a digital download for free if you provide the code!
I think they are still based off the bulldozer architecture which was notorious for this.
more than 4 if doing video creation and/or streaming.
Intel Core i5-8400 for gaming, streaming and video edition. A little slower than the i3, but has 2 more cores (6 cores). Price is around $180.
Comparable AMD alternatives are Ryzen 3 1300X (4 cores, $120) and Ryzen 5 2600X (6 cores, 12 threads, $200 aprox.) respectively.
But it can be cheapened down.
I also own a 980TI but it's the MSI brand one and I love this thing! (Good card but she's really dated now compared to the newer cards out there)
But if you want him to have a amazing experience and avoid paying a lot of money in the future you might want to think a bit more outside of the budget. (Trust me, don't go cheap with PC's they tend to age very fast as time goes on)
First off I'd recommend either a I5 or I7 CPU. They're expensive but worth every penny.
I'd recommend currently to get a used Intel I7 4790K (The one I'm currently using and LOVE it. Plenty enough power on this old CPU)
Get a proper Motherboard with her because you'll want a good set of RAM. That part you'll need to do a bit of research because trust me it's complex with RAM compatibility with any CPU now and days.
Power Supply try to get a 650W with Gold certified if you can, mine is a bit to much for my build. I have a 750W one and it's a bit to much power for this build but it works out.
Now for Hard drives and SSD's go towards what you can afford..... or what might be the best bang for buck.
I'm using a SSHD and it runs just fine. Actually if you want go that route since it's actually the best of both worlds and it will load up quicker than a HDD and also make playing games and searching your PC that much faster. Also the OS is quick but not as fast as an SSD setup is.
The best part of the SSHD, no fiddling around with RAIDs or any of that other complex jargon. Just format the Hybrid Hard Drive, put in a Fresh install of the OS of your choice and Boom you're basically done.
Now if you want to give him some extra storage just get a regular Hard Drive installed. But my best option would be get a 2TB SSHD because if you try to use the 4TB one like I have Windows 10 will just use only 2TB instead of using all of it. (I think anyways, I had Windows 7 before and converted it to Windows 10 when it was given a free upgrade OS in the day. Windows 7 had a hard drive limit to only 2TB then.)
Hope this helps and makes the build less complicated and somewhat future proof for him. Trust me, he'll love the build.