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The Most Important Event in Furry History
16 years ago
Is... not this: http://www.foxmas.com/
I'm really not sure what to think about this, honestly. It's self described as "the most important event in furry history". When I first heard about the site two weeks ago I thought it was a joke based on that alone, but from everything I've heard, it's... real. Very real.
I don't know what to really think about this. If it were an "adults only" thing that'd be one thing, but it's 18+ so you can draw that "elephant in the room". 18, specifically, is the legal age for sex. If it were 21+ I could at least think, "Hey, it's because they're serving booze, right?". But it's 18+ and they're serving "unlimited" booze.
. . .
I don't really have a good vibe on this at all. Perhaps its not my place to have an opinion on this, but when your 18+ "sexy party" where you can "shake your tail" is self labeled as "the most important event in furry history" how the hell can I *not* have an opinion?
. . .
Actually, I don't even know what to think about this at all. Am I reading into this wrong, misinterpreting something along the way or is it as transparent as it seems to be?
EDIT: Apparently, this is a pretty standard con with an extremely unfortunate (if intentional) bit of advertising. If you read the responses by Soron it sort of clears most things up.
(This journal does not represent Fur Affinity's views on this, only my own.)
I'm really not sure what to think about this, honestly. It's self described as "the most important event in furry history". When I first heard about the site two weeks ago I thought it was a joke based on that alone, but from everything I've heard, it's... real. Very real.
I don't know what to really think about this. If it were an "adults only" thing that'd be one thing, but it's 18+ so you can draw that "elephant in the room". 18, specifically, is the legal age for sex. If it were 21+ I could at least think, "Hey, it's because they're serving booze, right?". But it's 18+ and they're serving "unlimited" booze.
. . .
I don't really have a good vibe on this at all. Perhaps its not my place to have an opinion on this, but when your 18+ "sexy party" where you can "shake your tail" is self labeled as "the most important event in furry history" how the hell can I *not* have an opinion?
. . .
Actually, I don't even know what to think about this at all. Am I reading into this wrong, misinterpreting something along the way or is it as transparent as it seems to be?
EDIT: Apparently, this is a pretty standard con with an extremely unfortunate (if intentional) bit of advertising. If you read the responses by Soron it sort of clears most things up.
(This journal does not represent Fur Affinity's views on this, only my own.)
...Please tell me that's what it is.
D:
Xan Steel
sending a note to ask something
Funny, that.
For someone with a
And no, 42 people killed in a school shooting would be massive national news, regardless of how tiny or backwater the school is. Most people never heard of these little schools before something happened there. Many of them -were- tiny backwater no-name schools that everyone only heard of because someone killed two or three kids.
I'd be thinking that someone was telling you a tall tale if you didn't say you were there for it. That means its your story. And that kind of thing irks me in a rather personal way...
No-one's beaten Cho's highscore, to put it in the common tongue.
I doubt that number is right, cuz at the VTECH shooting, That Korean guy Seung-Hui Cho broke the high score. (32 killed)
*The massacre is the deadliest peacetime shooting incident by a single gunman in United States history, on or off a school campus.*
Choke on that ya pasty emo Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold fgts! (12 only, by the both of them at Columbine.. shitsux), and so far, no one has beaten that 32 kill amount, so the 42 you lists is likely inaccurate, or not true.
(Also, as for my likely politically incorrect comments here, their meant as non serious, and junk, to those who can't sense it, or lack seeing so, so don't get mad lol)
and it being 18+ instead of 21+. ..
however, the idea of an exclusively adult furrycon is. . .tempting. . .
. . .very tempting. . . XD
How was AC.
That's exactly what Foxmas is supposed to be. But like I said already, there are flaws in the way it's being advertised and I don't agree with it.
What are your plans? You're 40 so you'll probably die way before me.
Next year we might make it 21+ just because its logistically simpler, depending on his may 18-21 furs show up. If it's less than 15% of attendance, we'll just be 21+ next year.
Visit my family instead of be in retail. I haven't done that in years.
not just "HEY GUYS! WHO WANTS GONAHERPACEPHALAIDS!? WE'RE JUST HANDIN' 'EM OUT HERE AT AL'S GAPING WIDE F$%&HOLE!"
Personally, I think they'd be wiser to make the cut-off 21 and older, seems like it'd solve some logistics issues. But if they're not breaking any laws, what's the problem? Is it just that it's aimed at furries? Are we supposed to be more enlightened?
He can have it. While the idea, in any form whether a sex club in Portland, or what not, is not appealing, heaven forbid adults make their own decisions. My problem is just reading something like this and seeing how people wonder why furries are looked on as strange or gross.
1. it will be named such after the fact (because you can't judge the actual impact of something until it's happened... sometimes years later)
2. it will be something that takes furry more mainstream, which this particular event certainly will not.
Although if it does turn into the legal and ethical failsplosion it has the potential to, it WILL be an important event in furry history... for all the wrong reasons.
Granted, I doubt anything will come of it, but... it's quite a title to give ones own con.
I'd call it the F5 Summit lol :P
Funny title though.
I tip my hat to the PR guys behind foxmas. Well played.
And it is the most important event in furry history... at least to me, it is.
Furry is NOT a Disney mascot convention to me. So I think there is a divide. There's the furs who want to be Disney mascots "what will the children think" G-PG-rated, and then there's everybody else. FOXmas is for "everybody else".
Guhaw. Guhaw. Guhaw.
Quite likely the worst idea in the fandom I've ever seen.
The second a seventeen-year-old slips past the "guard" checking IDs at the door, assuming there even is one, there's going to be trouble. And you thought Furries Are People Who Have Sex In Animal Costumes With Strategically Placed Holes Tyra Banks was bad press.
A "no electronic devices of any kind" policy might be prudent because you know that video is going to wind up on the internet, otherwise. Image recognition software is advancing at a scary pace courtesy of well-intentioned but occassionally misguided efforts by companies like Google. Have fun explaining that one to a future employer when they search on a person's name.
I agree that it isn't/shouldn't be important, but that's advertising for you.
At least it's run by folks who do know what they are doing.
I don't even know what to think about it.
JASPIAN.
FFFFFFFFF
That's my problem. I've already had several people from Foxmas and other guests chew me out a bit over this, and they don't seem to realize the flaw in the advertising. It's... yeah. They're complaining about my journal over this, but what about the few hundred OTHER JOURNALS complaining about Foxmas over these exact same issues?
In your defense, you're certainly not the only one who didn't take it that way. We have some revising to do, now that the general public reaction has been seen.
Even so... free advertising.
I'm slightly offended.
...yet curious
So I dunno. It think the presentation is what really throws me off here.
Sex is a part of life (hell, we're all here because of it) so to deny it would be stupid, but to show all the GOOD things about the fandom... that's the ticket.
See, I was at that FurFright, and I was there when Shy got drugged, went to the hospital came back...
I went to the FO party at Furfright in 2006, had 2.5 drinks. The last person I remember speaking with Mae from NYC. I was re-hydrated with a ton of grape juice in the mental ward of the local hospital. I was released 14hrs later D: I have yet to watch the full DVD of things that happened that I do not remember, so if I did go to another party, I do not recall it but it'd be on there.
Before the party, during the day, I ate food, drank liquids as normal, and am not much an alcoholic drinker at all.
Urine and Blood Tests were done and came back negative, what they tested for I do not know to be honest (my physician should have the records). It was a lot of other people telling me about all the other drugs that can't be detected by those tests and gave me a ton of scenarios about what possibly happened to me. I still don't quite know what happened to me. Other then getting billed for $2000 at the hospital D: and $700 for the ride there that I never consented to D:
I do still pop in FO and other parties at cons, but I stay away from the booze unless provided by myself or a close friend/roommate. ^_^
I like the idea of FOXmas, :) Dec is a great time of year. A few ideas for conventions for adults have popped up in the past, but lost momentum and were modeled after trade shows. Furry isn't large enough, nor is ready for the trade show scene. I also look forward to a convention I can go to where everyone is out of high school and I don't feel even older then I feel at furmeets. :)
From what I saw, he was drugged. *Shrugs* Like drag said, not your guys' fault, really. But its hard to fake dilated pupils.
I make exceptions for when I'm on stage tho, and the script calls for it.. I had to do it 3 times so far.. and my have to do it again in April next year :)
Also.. the hotel is the open bar? Ffff, all conventions have hotels with open bars, so that makes this con equally as booze-o-riffic as all the rest, which leaves.. sexcon!
Alright, well everyone needs to have fun now and then, not a huge deal. I'ma stay home with my boyfriend and get laid for free though :3
You guys have fun!
Don't believe me? Ask him yourself.
I've been to multiple Frozen Oasis parties over the years and they are very diligent about checking ID at the door and only letting in 21+ people. They've been shut down in the past due to noise complaints, despite previously informing the hotel of what they were going to do. They have never, not once, been shut down for serving to anyone underage.
i think that The Most Important Event in Furry History is the "birth" of this (mostly) wonderful site
running the amfurs site?
it's 2:30 am and i don't fell like thinking, could you enlighten me on what specifically you mean by that, lol
i was giving that to this site, lol
are you tired by any chance?
Maybe if they revise the advertising angle I'll consider it. Emphasis on "maybe".
Mainly because everyone have a different definition of what a "dance" is, and despite that they're all right and wrong at the same time, they'll troll anyone who points that out until they get their way. But they won't get their way, so they'll go up to their rooms and get trashed. Or blog about it under a fake name (that is...a different name from their usual fake name) and call themselves, "Anonymous".
You're right about the dance itself being subjective. We might not play music that person W likes, but person X likes it. Person Y thinks its too crowded, person Z thinks it's too sparse, etc.
What I mean to say is - I don't think you can TELL people what is good in a classroom. They have to experience, and if they experience enough they should become knowledgeable enough to know "good" music... rather than just being force-fed by the industry.
But if you think a Dance Culture 101 class would be helpful - I am not opposed to the idea of having one at FOXmas. U think it would work?
your not crazy and your not misunderstanding it. i just think it was poorly thot out, poorly worded and very poorly planned. this thing wont happen.
im usually right about these things. somehow, this is gonna crash and burn. trust me. ima ninja like this. X3
But they know what they're doing.
it was sad, but i wasnt too suprised.
It's in Minnesota...in December...IT IS GOING TO BE COLDER THAN A WITCH'S TIT AFTER BEING RUN OVER BY A GLACIER.
All who plan to attend, fairly warned be ye that inclement weather could have you stranded for longer than the few days you plan to spend there...not to mention just how FREAKING COLD it's going to be...jesus...did I mention it's gonna be COLD!?!
*doesn't like the cold...doesn't like the cold at all...and because of this fact among many others, will not be attending*
This one reads as a great big fat "MUST AVOID".
I'll stick to the Oasis parties at Mephit, thanks. Crowded and noisy, but they're fastidious about IDs and crowd control and the drinks are pretty good.
As for being stranded... it's Rochester. They know how to handle snow, and the NY Turnpike is less than 5 miles away - which will undoubtedly be clear.
[1] The "tease" pic on the site.
[2] Beer and 18 (as you've stated).
[3] AND I QUOTE "... Come by my house this X-mas and I'll give you something to omnom...
[4] AND I QUOTE "... where I can shake my tail and show off for all the yummy furs who want to watch!..."
[5] Why would you need a "sexy" party is not for the.... implement?
But yeah... Could be wrong. Could be a good con[vention]/party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRC2fdDVMiI
Let me tell you about non-furry bog-standard sci-fi cons. They are full of horny drunk people. More horny drunk people than furry cons, that I've seen.
Furry myopia, gotta love it.
However, I will point this out in the FAQ:
I heard that FOXmas is 18+ is that true?
Yes. FOXmas will be the first overtly ADULT furry convention. That does NOT mean that we will tolerate public nudity, yiffing in convention spaces, etc. (See the FOXmas CODE OF CONDUCT for details) We intend to only have adults, so that we can treat you like adults, but you must also ACT like adults. As such, we will not go "Eeeeww men kissing in public? We can't have that!" or "You can't grind on the dance floor! We're lovable Disney Mascots! What will the children think?" We are adults. Adults sometimes have relationships, and sometimes have sex. It's normal. At FOXmas we accept that it is normal and will not persecute you for public displays of affection (provided that there is mutual consent). We will also have adult panels, discussion groups, and not require censorship of pornographic images in the dealers' den or artists' alley. With no minors in attendance, we don't have to worry about their creeping eyes, or spoiling their innocence, and nobody will have to worry about "is s/he old enough to ... flirt with?" etc!
Everyone knows about the Frozen Oasis parties... IMO the focus of advertisement should have been on HEY GUYS THIS IS GONNA BE EXACTLY LIKE THOSE. But nope. NOPE.
>8[
The end result of this is will probably a few people being sent to jail and a few young folks get something from the "STD lotto."
Way to advert furries.
Who's the the HIVs man.
If you're doing a sex party, it should be dry.
I saw this on his WikiFur before it was deleted.
Known to be one of the most physically attractive boys in the furry fandom, and he knows it, he doesn't shy from teasing and dressing risque. He also is known for his quick wit. He has alluded that he works in the video game industry in reality, but doesn't tend to elaborate.
slutty drunk furfags, BYOB oh wait scratch that. just bring your aids!
/bawwwww. D=
Anyway, while this may not be "The most important thing in furry history" I doubt it deserves the drama it's getting.
I don't see this as "OMFG SEX CON" so much as "Fuck it, no kiddies allowed" con.
There will (apparently?) be normal con-related activities and panels, some possibly geared towards maturerererer audiences, but still, a con is a con. Sex happens at cons. If it happens here, it's nothing new. There won't be fucking in the hotel public.
And I'd hope they won't get caught fucking in the hottub like some other con that furs were caught doing that at. HINT HINT.
Again - Con. It's adult, but I don't see it as murrypurryfuckmas.
If they're really going to enforce a 21+ only drinking rule...I'm Ghandi.
When it comes to furs, drinking age goes out the window. They may add that tidbit for "legal" reasons or to seem "responsible", but when it comes down to it, the drinks will flow freely for anyone who wants it.
Even if a couple furs are willing to enforce that rule...they'll be the minority, and thus lose any power they have at enforcement.
But I guess 10+ years of bartending gives you these insights...and for those of you who think I'm wrong...please go out into the real world and get some non-Furcadia, non-Yiffstar experience before opening your mouth.
As for the rest of FOXmas...all power to 'em. The booze-up is my only real gripe.
Furries have this weird self-depreciating myopia, there's no other way to describe it.
Ya know when you're thinking one thing and typing another and they get scrambled?
My bad ^.^
But...yes, when it comes to PEOPLE, drinking age definately goes out the window.
Which encompasses furry AND non-furry gatherings.
Their advertising of unlimited drinks and sex might attract alot of unwanted guests too, both inside and outside of this fandom. I got a very bad feeling that Fox News will make attempts to go undercover for this particular con...
Also I may cleverly point out that if you click around it says under the F.A.Q. that the full service bar will only offer unlimited booze for individuals 21+. At least there's that... everything else about it sounds like an excuse to have a ginormous orgy for no particular reason.
Not to say I'm against an 18+ convention. I feel that would be a great stride considering the multiple facets of the fandom... but...
This is not the kind of thing we need as a community.
It's not a sex con. I've been to these parties in the past when they were at Soron's house and I was supposed to help promote it-- the focus on sex wasn't me. It's just a giant (and fun) furry party that was made into a con with rather unfortunate advertising.
Also Jaspian 8T
This "con" sounds like a trainwreck waiting to happen haha.
"get your popcorn ready"
~Terrell the douche Owens
A bunch of furs+free booze+adult "Con"+ lots of likely seedy furs, horny, fat, and skinny neckbeards and ponytail men, and man whores, likely fucking eachother.....yeah..
I don't think this sounds like a bright idea, i sense a possibly shitstorm ahead lol.
I hate to say it, but seeing how some furs lack sense, or don't want to tell the truth about their health, i fear this con could be full of aids, and i am not just meaning that in some joking sense, i mean that literally, like if some fur has some std's, and goes to said event, fucks around with people unprotected, and starts spreading it :X
Why i say i expect it to be a shitstorm of a event likely, is due differing reasons, the fact its 18+ and their serving free booze, and obviously, people under 21 can get booze easy, so i doubt they can enforce much about that, and that's a problem, if not, a possible legal one.
I been to anime cons, fur cons, and house parties, etc, and some lightweights under drinking age can't handle alcohol, and it ends bad, like at fanimecon, their had been a history of under 21+ people getting shitfaced, and passed out at the convention center, in in the hotel, and then the ambulance comes, etc, always a risk, if not, a legal one, and unlike most anime cons, and other ones, this "con" foxmas condone rowdy partying, and adult actions, and if some 18 year old gets piss drunks, and 911 needs to be called, their going to be dealing with a mess indeed, likely shutdown.
This foxmas sounds like a fucking mess of a premise lol, i wish it was a joke, it makes me mouth vomit, just the fact that this likely furpile of a sausagefest party con is real. :V
Instant news coverage!
Private sex party with booze in private residence is...well...to each their own. (though I'd seriously rethink the unlimited booze aspect).
Sex party with booze in a public locale, regardless of how "closed" it is to the general public...well...irresponsible is but one word that comes to mind.
The convention aspects of if really seem to be there to "tone down" the fact this this is a drunken fuck fest.
It's not. It's a furry party with unfortunate advertising.
Whether this is openly advertised (as it has been), or simply sent in private notes to attendees, does not change the fact that this is the GOAL of the party.
Namely 18+, adult orientated, and free flowing booze.
What is being thrown at people from the GET GO is SEX and BOOZE. No "mundanes", only limited hotel staff, 18+, adult orientated...the site screams sex party. Regardless of whether this is bad wording or not...the underlying goal of this get together is adult, sex, booze.
Dress it up all you like, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck...ITS A DUCK!
An adult orientated party with an open bar, hell, I've got no qualms with that.
But trying to find fun party with no minors through the sex and booze explosion is difficult, especially when everything points at a sex booze-up.
I thought the front image was cute, honestly. I think there'd be much less of a fallout with something much simpler in the wording, such as "Fun get together Xmas party, one night open bar and we regret no under 18s." If they insist on knowing why no under 18s, simply "We expect some adult related situations and we don't want to complicate matters with having under age furs in the mix, especially when alchohol is involved."
if cons like anthrocon are already wild even with their security levels, I cant imagine what will happen here XD
Their will be so many horror stories after this...I can feel it.
God, if the media ever gets a hold of this, I'm going to have to hide my fucking face for actually being open--ish about being a furry Awesome. Just awesome...
Also, Rochester-tard, reporting in. peace.
How's NY holding up without the local blueberry hyena?
Fucking IL 2 months ago and moving and such. Boring out here. NY, I miss thee.
(Hug the ground for me, it'll appease me)
2 days off for Thanksgiving. 2 goddamn days.
It's not worth it to spend 800 dollars on a flight back home to NY for family when you only have 2 days off. Goddamn colleges here think everyone that goes to them is from IL.
I want to stab someone in the balls.
If something goes amuck with this con (minor gets in, etc), or the true nature of it slips out, I can only imagine all the horrible press furs will get in this area. Unfortunately for me, that means I just might have to move to Potsdam and stay there.
I personally wish we could have a more-normal con in this area, instead of this supposed "most important event in furry history," which turns out to fit the immoral stereotypes that most of society holds for furries.
Once again, I'm not bashing the community. I'm bashing this specific event. Do something normal like a normal con at Riverside Convention Center or something. Rochester would be a great area for a normal convention, but this... this could be disastrous to the fandom in upstate/western NY.
And I'll say it again, going after this specific event, and not the community you have formed. I don't know if you're an organizer or anything like that for this event in specific, but the information about it on the site really should be re-tooled and toned back if it's a "normal con," because it's causing controversy.
If a con in this apparent fashion has been pulled off before without issue, more power to you. Just remember that one little slip, and things could all go to hell. I've been there-done that before and the results are not fueled by an overactive imagination, as I've seen some rather unforeseen consequences by things as simple as a misspelled word on an advertisement that offends the Mormons. It's better to focus on a worst-case scenario when planning, than when it happens.
http://www.foxmas.com/faq.html
it's basically saying it'll be a party for 18+ only .. and a full service bar for 21+ .. and so on and so forth. I agree the main page info is somewhat confusing
Yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDX5c3nXexc
the +21 beer law is only enforced in the U.S. and very few other places in the world. +18 is the actual world standard to legally have adult sex and get wasted on legal whatevas.
Im 19 and im legaly allowed to purchase/consume alchol where I live.
Aside from that bit of info.
Im sure whoever's hosting this had good intentions,
buuuut, furry in itself dosen't really have a great name sake at the moment.
They should just make it a regular get together party, not a grade A greek/roman Toga Orgy. (Toga = FurSuit)
Or even perhaps, if at all, not allow suits into it;
sounds crazy, and probiby is, but would be for the better.
So yeah, I so no to furry cumfusion and random grinding.
and yes to partying hard... regularly...
this is strikingly resembling a child abduction
Offering free booze to furries is like...free candy to a 10 year old
come have fun in the awesome van....go have fun at the awesome con
it's abduction with less screaming! it's Diet abduction!
My room mate has a shirt that something about being allergic to latex and being HIV positive because he's an ass like that and he wants to wear it there
how do you know that exactly? Are you saying my community sucks? lol
~N~
But responsible is the keyword. ((an immature furry is almost void of))
I want a whole convention of my very own with a huge all-night dance party and stuff! And it should be 18+ so that we can flirt and talk and draw that elephant in the livingroom of the fandom, and don't have to worry about minors getting in the way.
I don't think it's very well written :3, though we both know that says nothing about the event itself. On that subject I don't know what to think, it sounds like what happens at a normal party, though I personally would not open an event up to the public for sex + booze and NOT have security involved.
Sounds like the party floor at FC
What a lousy 'convention.'
(and who are we kidding, you're not calling the cops on anybody 9_9 )
One thing if it's a private "meet" or "gathering" at someone's house and just a controlled party...but in a public convention space? I smell potential for bad paparazzi moments...
Most furcons agree with my feelings, and for that I am quite happy. But it's a shame the people at FOXmas don't seem to subscribe to the same feelings.
The free drinks is also a very dangerous situation to add to this already-volatile mix. People tend to lose their sense of boundaries in buzzed/drunken states, so...eep.
...I'm pretty casual about sex, actually. I have a Master, but I'm very willing to raise tail to others...as long as I (and my Master!) trust them first.
I do not, however, agree with how it's being advertised and portrayed now that we've moved up to a mini-con. Too many people are getting the idea that it's just one big sex-party, which it isn't. The basic idea is that making it 18+ means we don't have to worry about censorship; this idea was taken a bit too far in advertisement and made the sole focus of... well, everything. Which is bad IMO.
I'd like to say people are just getting carried away with their imaginations and dramma llamaing, but the way it's being self-portrayed certainly doesn't help so I can see where there would be some concern.
But that's just my opinion.
Unfortunately not enough people realize that this is just one giant badass Frozen Oasis party. It's gonna be awesome, and those who shy away because of the unfortunate advertising decisions will be missing out.
Thats an understatement.
I'd laugh if it wasn't so insulting to us(yet true)
Sometimes being a fur sucks>.>
Wat?
Xan Steel
it didn't give a fuck for holding back on the puns/euphamisms
Unlimited booze but you have to be 18+, there is something fishy there. It is here in the states, the age should be 21!
I agree with you, there is something wrong with that it is a disaster waiting to happen
But a party at a local residence, obviously labeled a sex party, with allot of booze, without security, is just a riot waiting to happen. Chances are that I'd sooner move away from the party then towards it.
But don't you agree that the information on the front page (apologies again for not digging deeper) of the site could be seen as advertisement to a sexual themed convention? I mean, how could one not mistake phrases like; ''This year for Christmas I want a huge sexy party that's even better than last year's was. And I want it to go all-night-long, where I can shake my tail and show off for all the yummy furs who want to watch!'' and ''..., and no nagging security brigades to break up those who are dancing too close.'' for something sexual in theme.
Excuse me if I'm prudish, but I find a Furry party that advertises itself as a sexy party with unlimited booze, where close to intimate dancing is encouraged terribly misleading.
However, I apologize for jumping to conclusions, that was foolish of me.
orgy partycon for em. How else they gonna get their murr on?~N~
~N~
~N~
*sigh* Yes, this is an important event. This is the day when the fandom finally falls into the gutter. And I'm starting to want out.
Xan Steel
this event sounds like shit, to be honest
Just my opinion, but you'd think after all the bad press furs have gotten as of late, people would want to lay low with their fursuit yiff parties for a while.
And its not a yiff party. Did you look at the FAQ? I'm pretty sure there's a section for "Is this a yiff party" or something. Or did you just glance at the front page and make a snap decision? Didn't anybody warn you about trying to read books by glancing at the cover? It usually doesn't work out very well....
sounds like fun X3
This is pretty much a customary tagline. But, ah well.
Also, looking at the women parading around, yeah, they promote sex. Lots and lots of sex.
You: "Um, Dragoneer... you know there's something called "Advertising," right? Notice how every boxing match becomes the "Battle of the Century"? How every episode of some television show becomes "The one you shouldn't miss"?
This is pretty much a customary tagline. But, ah well." advertising. got it.
Me: "Oh yeah, i forgot boxing matches promote sex." Boxing matches promote sex.
You: "No, but they do promote wanton violence and sweaty, mostly naked men all over each other.
Also, looking at the women parading around, yeah, they promote sex. Lots and lots of sex." Not only did you contradict yourself but you just repeated what I just said. AND EXACTLY. PROMOTES SEX- JUST LIKE FOXMAS DOES.
aaaaaand you must of been the head of your special ed class. Good call slaps.
~N~
http://fotosa.ru/stock_photo/Corbis...../p_2527205.jpg
http://www.nitesho.com/images/nikkita1.jpg
Sure, no sex at all.
~N~
still creepy
I've seriously never heard of it before. And personally it sounds like a big red no stamped on your forehead
Basically a furry disco
I JUST moved to Rochester for college, and now that I see this... >.<
(just kidding; currently stuck in Arizona with its vast expanses of nothing)
It''s a trap.
They are going to bomb you
Xan Steel
I'm interested in going to document this con. It might be interesting.
~N~
How does knowing that "furry leaders" have attended your party/con validate you in any way? They're not professionals, they don't try to set up government-recognized organizations or exert their influence to help pass laws to "better furry-kind." They're just slightly more well known than other furries. Whoopdedo.
Though, props for defending your position. Some of these responses are ridiculous, though I'm also not that surprised.
I'm not getting the image of a good ol' christmas party at grandma's.
It will end up being an orgy ANYWAYS , you know that.
And then the organizer comes on here to defend himself and his event and gets shat on even more by bored, sub-literate trolls who are allergic to effort.
The good news is, the people attending probably won't give fuck one about what people say on this thread, they'll likely attend, and have a good time, and leave the bitchy haters to their internets. Maybe some of them will have SEX! OH MY GOD. SOMEBODY CALL THE AUTHORITIES
Second, if you want to market it as a "classy party" that's "meant for adults only, due to the drinking"? You might want to re-think the whole half-nude fox performing fellatio to a candy cane while his naked rump is covered by an 18+ sticker. Something, mind you, that's been done by such "classy" establishments like "Girls Gone Wild", with 18+ stickers covering both boobs.
Third, lose the "sexy letter" with the "tongue in cheek" humor. It only further reinforces the idea that this party is going to be a drunken sex bash, what with the "I've been very naughty" and "I'll give you something to omnom thats better than cookies" part.
My recommendation, if you want to portray this as (what you claim to be) a good clean party with copious booze and dancing? Make the design of the page reflect it with something everyone can relate to. Get some art of a bunch of furs just dancing, drinking, and having fun. If you really want to push the "intimate" part, perhaps show a few of them under some mistletoe, kissing. The general invite letter should be clean, and give people the general idea of the party.
This all being said, I've been to a few of the Frozen Oasis parties, and they are indeed (usually, depending on who shows up) good clean fun with some fantastic drinks and dancing. And on the posters for those, it's marketed as such. Why the sudden and drastic change from the old marketing style to a sex-heavy one?
Honestly, I'm kind of wondering what kind of reaction you guys were expecting out of people, given the data on the site. People read the letter, saw the art, saw the fact that it was an "adult" event, saw the egotistical slogan, and put these things together. If anything, people came to an adult (and logical) decision that "this event is likely a sexually themed / encouraged event, and not for me".
Not trying to rail on you here, dude, but I'm kind of wondering what was expected. I mean, if a bar advertised itself with rainbows, gay pride flags, and near-porn, would you be surprised that no straight people wanted to go there (even if it ISN'T a gay bar)? Same rule applies here, and I really don't think it's immature by any stretch of the imagination for people to think so.
"Shake my tail and show off for all the yummy furs who want to watch!"
and "Come by my house this X-mas and I'll give you something to omnom thats better than cookies ;) "
and maybe people wont think its going to be a rave&rape.
I've been to Frozen Oasis before, and thought it was great. It was just a big freakin' party, and was advertised as such. This is being advertised as a big freakin' orgy, and whether it was intended as such or not, that's how the site is advertising itself. I am by far the first to make such a comment. I've been seeing journals like this for upwards of two weeks.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/980695/
If you want to prove otherwise to me I'm fine with it, but I'm just one dude. You have the entire fandom's perception that you are throwing a party that's become a giant orgy, and if you look around, you'll see I'm far, FAR from the first to comment as such.
And seriously, if this was no different than any other Frozen Oasis party... why not just have it /be/ a Frozen Oasis party? Instead, you have Foxmas, furry porn, 18+ and "shake your tail". It doesn't look very, uh, becoming.
Hence damage control on our part, and very likely a reworking of the site.
I don't think anybody would have had the reactions they did if you just advertised the event for what it was. Instead, the site's advertising itself as something it's not, and therein lay the problem. The general perception is it's one big giant orgy. When you describe it... it's calm, rational and makes sense. You look at the site, the way it's advertised, the way it's written, and it doesn't come off that way at all.
You've got the awesome party, the site has furry orgy with booze.
Why the huge breakdown?
The way this is being advertised; especially on the front page of your site, it looks like you're planning on a sex party. And maybe that's just our minds being in the gutter, but, I don't think people's perception of this event is unwarranted, and it doesn't seem like there have been any attempts to redefine it except for commenting on journals.
I don't necessarily think your event is bad. It's just that your ads are high on mentioning adult oriented, 18+, booze, and flirting. And they're all really light on the "PARTY NOT ORGY" message, explanations of how you'll prevent minors and the 18-20 set from getting booze, and the kind of.... due diligence that would allay a bunch of the fears people are expressing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNRtOAFxuVg
2) B& them.
3) Cause Drama.
4) ????
5) Profit!!
or
1) Wait till the day.
2) When day comes call cops.
3) Inform them of underage drinking and drugs. They walk into fursuit Orgy.
4) ????
5) Profit!!
LOLOL
from that description looks like allot of lonely young sex crazed furs will be there, who want's to bet the event will be mostly populated by males? :P
eitherway if he has a liqour licence (or someone does). it's all good.
if he wants to throw a party, let him. he wants to invite every fur around, great! he wants to imply sex might just be allowed? AWESOME!!
Hell let him throw a big x-mas orgy for all I care, I'll bring extra lube!
at least the legal fucking age is 16 here (West Virginia) :P
so maybe I won't need to stalk 16yo girls XD
And people puking over toilets.
AKA not the kind of party I would ever go to.
(having said all that, I believe the organizer when he says it's not a sex party)
If there is alcohol anywhere present around them, they WILL get some by any means necessary to "fit in" with the crowd. Right there, Foxmas will break numerous laws in contributing to minors.
I think it is a huge mistake to leave this convention in the paws of someone who, and no offense please, is hardly old enough to drink himself. 21 and over MEANS 21 and over. If you have people assisting you that are barely 18, guess what?
Find new assistants!
I'm sorry but until you've reached the age of at least 30, NONE of you are responsible adults, and have no business trying to host what amounts to just another furry convention. The phrase "we are responsible adults at 18" really unnerved me.
18-year-olds are not even REMOTELY close to adulthood and WILL act it.
And let's talk about the image please. If you give the IMPRESSION of something on your website that spells out "adults-only", I can think of a lot more tasteful ways of doing it. The image of a vixen in a sleigh, trying to deep-throat a candy-cane is NOT the way to promote a gathering where "no sex" will take place. You're sending the completely wrong message from the get-go. People will EXPECT sex - and when they don't get it, they will hang out in the bar, get unbelievably drunk and cause a lot of trouble.
If you want to have a good time, fine, I'm all for it. I even like the idea of some wild adults-only, sex-filled weekend for couples-only, perhaps, and a chance to enjoy one another. But not for $75.00.
$750.00 maybe.
That does two things: covers the alcohol bill we are sure to ring up, and guarantees that only responsible adults over 21 WILL show up.
I'm with some of the others that feel we should bring the authorities into the matter. The idea that there will be people under 21 at this (or really ANY furry convention for that matter) just really unnerves me, and is bar-none the main reason I haven't been to one in nearly a decade.
Thank you for just making my point, sweetie.
Keep the under-21 away. Don't flirt with a situation I know good and well you are NOT prepared to handle.
And since you've already proven your brash, indifferent stance by not fully reading my post in the first place... You're so 100% certain you know everything, don't you?
I didn't say laws were being broken NOW. I said laws WOULD be broken.
I wish I was 19 again, because I was a lot like you are. I thought I knew everything, and my ideals, opinions and MY stances were more important than anything. I was rebellious and a bit of a bitch. ^_^
I'm picturing a few scores of know-everythings showing up at your little party, and convincing some drunk idiot to get them a glass or a can.
I'm not making the ASSUMPTION that your security is going to be lax. I already know it's going to be, and I know full well most of the people reading my post would agree with me.
I'm sorry that you don't see what is obviously an accident waiting to happen.
everyone got up in arms (including me) because of their sexy ad which implied too much, but reading the organizer's explanation, this isn't much different from a concert or dance night that is all ages, but with a separate beer garden. Which we have every night of the year here in Portland. Professionals serving the drinks and all.
I predict this party will go off with nary a hitch and nobody will remember this big blow-up about it.
If it was a room party that wasn't sponsored by the hotel, and booze was being served by the room's owner? Yeah, I can see that being grounds for a call, and it might even be effective. But with the hotel knowing about the event, and the hotel bartender being the one who's serving the liquor (with their own license at stake)? I doubt calling the police would do much other than having them show up, check the hotel's licenses, and leave. Even if there was underage drinking going on, the hotel would probably pull the plug before anybody had the chance to call the cops. Since the party is 18+ and not 21+, I'd say there's a very good chance of that happening (since people will likely be getting drinks from the bartender, and handing them to underage patrons).
If you want to call, go ahead.. I just don't personally think that it'd do much in this situation, without any actual proof provided to the authorities.
I can't understand why you don't see that as a bad idea, especially given the subject matter.
And it's not just the drinking. Didn't you read the "consensual sex" in the FAQs? This means an 18-year-old can consensually have sex at the hotel with anyone over the age of 18 - that goes for 30s, 40s and even 50s. Bring a little booze into this mix, and...well, I find that disgusting, to say the least.
Maybe my morals are just on a higher level. ^_^
The way I'm reading the site, the first thing that comes to mind is, "Let's get a bunch of people drunk, who came under the premise that this party would be sex-based, and see where it goes".
Had this party been 21+, I doubt there'd of been any issues (aside from the quite obvious sexual aspect). It just seems like an A Plus way to get a bunch of young guys into a situation where judgment is impaired across the board, leading to easy sex. I might have thought differently, if the site didn't utterly shove sexual innuendo / images into my face.
Morals and legality aside, I still don't see the point in calling the police based on a hunch. People who go to this after having seen the site should know full well what they're getting themselves into, and it's not my job to put a stop to it, especially when it might involve getting myself into trouble when the authorities get upset with a potentially false emergency call. If Johnny the barely-legal fox decides to go to the party based on the sexual nature of the site, and ends up scoring with Creepo the 48 year old drunkard, later finding out that he was HIV+? Well, that's his problem. Like I said, I might not agree with the way the "party" is being portrayed, but it's also not my job to try and put a stop to it. Furries are pretty good at ruining things without any outside intervention.
That wouldn't be illegal, you know?
By your definition of "bad" idea, every convention is a "bad idea". Because the opportunities like this exist at all of them. And I don't just mean furry cons! There are always parties within cons that are over 21 that serve alcohol, and many 18 (and younger) year olds in attendance at the con as well.
It seriously isn't hard at all.
Bring money and ask someone to buy it. Srs. People who think that 18 y.o kids aren't going to get alcohol SOME WAY there are oblivious.
All you gotta do is go in with an older person
"Hey wanna buy me a drink?"
"Sure"
Sit at a table and wait for them to come back.
It really does sound like a big, drunken furry orgy.
someone who gets alcohol poisoning. (and could die from it)
a fight because of no security.
appearance by the police. (for underage drinking/exposing ones self in public)
an HIV scare.
The hotel will tell them not to return.
also
WTF , Red Panda bareback gang bang?!
From what everyone is saying its not and the advertisement is just satire. Fine then. I'm not against cons, I'm not sure where you got the Idea for that from.
As you may have guessed, yes it is on xtube
UNLIMITED ALCOHOL + 18 YEAR OLDS + PEOPLE WHO CAN GET ALCOHOL = DRUNK UNDERAGED TEENS.
Get out of the 50's jesus.
"I'll give you a blowjob if you get me and my friends drinks"
That's what will happen.
Someone gets sick like you said, goes to the hospital, says they were drinking
"hey you're not of drinking age.. where'd you get the alcohol?"
"At this furry convention thing at ____ street"
Cops
I got peach schnapps when I was 16 from a friend's brother.
If you go, and there's people that are old enough to purchase alcohol.. there WILL BE MINORS DRINKING.
I don't see why people don't understand that.
WHERE THERE'S UNDERAGE TEENS AND ALCOHOL, THERE'S UNDERAGE DRINKING.
IT'S GOING TO BE A GIANT ORGY WITH UNDERAGE TEENS DRINKING
CERTAINLY there should be someone smart enough to STOP IT?
Did you eve read what I wrote?
I did.
But the thing people keep saying is that MINORS WILL NOT BE DRINKING.
They're not going to go around checking everybody's ID all night.
Thus this con has the same risks as any 18+ club anywhere in the US. Legal precautions are being taken accordingly, and security WILL be tight. I don't doubt the ability of an 18 year old to sneak under the radar, but if they're caught, they'll be ejected immediately, as is customary with every 18+ event that involves alcohol. We'll be doing everything within our power to ensure that this party remains legal and in full operation-- as will the hotel staff, since it's their liqueur license at stake as well.
22 y.o goes up, gets a wristband, gets drinks, comes back and gives the wristband to his friend. :S
Not very hard.
It's not a flawless system but it's been in place for quite a while in clubs and it works fairly well.
How about, someone gives his 18 y.o friend drinks, they both get kicked out and the 18 y.o gets in an drunk-driving-car-crash.
Who's going to be at fault here? The guy who shared drinks or the furry orgy that allowed 18 y.o's into an UNLIMITED ALCHOHOL party expecting them not to drink?
My guess is both.
Then you'll have no problems with underage teens drinking.
No
Why not cut out the alcohol then?
One should also note that the open bar is only for four hours Saturday night, and the rest of the con is cash-bar on an individual basis.
THERES GOING TO BE MINORS DRINKING
1. Make it 21 and up and POTENTIALLY lose con-goers
2. Get rid of the alcohol
Hurfen durfen enjoy the cops yeah?
They *could* use those fake IDs *you* keep bringing up.
The thing is, clubs and bars addressed this problem many years ago, furries aren't the first people to hold gatherings like this. The Oregon Liquor Control Commission (for example) has reams of pages of bylaws on how to separate drinkers from non drinkers. This is much ado about nothing.
so yeah, that means absolutely nothing. But please go on whinging and concern trolling! WHAT WILL THE NEIGHBORS THINK
drunk underage teens
drunk driving
"a group of underage furries-- people who get dressed in animal costumes and have sex.." etc.
Bad enough rep already but shit like this worsens it.
Pedophile, zoophile people that dress in costumes. That's how the world sees us.
Heheh, pretty much. But still, how does this differ from any other con? Anthrocon has about 4000 attendees, probably 3500 or so more than foxmas will have. I'm sure there are a lot more underage drinkers at AC than foxmas' total attendance.
^-^ I don't look forward to this leaking to the media the drama will reach new heights <__<
hopefully trolls dont spread the news lol
In my mind its an advertisement for a furry brothel and they are looking for employees... and customers. <..>
In my mind its an advertisement for a furry brothel and they are looking for employees... and customers. <..>
Oh well, it's just a sex party after all.
They're just shamelessly saying they're mostly here to fuck and drink without restrictions (and maybe dance).
Well i'm like "haha that's fun yet distressing", i don't really care. The only thing i'm not fond of is the "omg this is the most important furry event guys".
Also i guess most people will be old/creepy/ugly/unhealthy furs passing a couple STDs around, passing out in their own barf at some point (kinky!).
But yeah. Whatever xD
I cant wait for it honestly, I want to hear about the sick things that will happen.
I wanna hear about somebody getting date raped.
I want to hear about a flood of STD's
Let them serve alcohol to some 18 year olds and get caught, hey Ill smile a bright smile, Id love for people to go to this place who are the press, give them a little view of it and all.
ahhh... life is good....
Orrr, WE ALL ARENT ZOOPHILES BAWWWW
Hey guys! Come to the animal penis convention!!!
also just curious, the banner is a nude male fox with a glaring asshole... ok uh... is it a gay con?
I sure as hell hope not.
Where is it? In a hotel or something? If so, I doubt they're gonna' let people bring pets.
prime example, friend has a helper dog due to a condition, dude chased her down to pin her up in the elevators to proposition her dog, as well as followed this dog the entire convention.
:(....
K re-explain this sentence.
"to pin her up in the elevators to proposition her dog"
also, service dogs D: oh no for people with them.
Or can do like Ive heard one do, find somebody near the con...and have a party there for that reason... ugh...
OH HAI CLAYTON DRAW ME WITH DAT ASS FACE PLZ K THUNX
HMM I MIGHT
but clayton mur pur bebee ;D! go add me on yahoo you murrypurry, so we dont have to talk via fa msgs :<.. travel to mah page.
Note me
There was a guy who overdosed somebody to have some funtimes.
or do you mean the big gang bang party?
I was in a room with friends doing artwork so I kept the fuck out of these things.
Including alot ( I've heard from multiple people, close people I know =| ) Of onhand witnessing druging underage guys and getting a bunch of people together to have fun.
Including one case where a passed ou 17 year old was tied to the bed, someone charged 50$ a go at the door, called a bunch of people he knew, about 23 guys had him before one guy managed to get the kid out.
Yeeesss on hand SEEING.
IT COULD BE... KAGE OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO:
If there was, there probably 'was' a police report. ( Why not go find out if there was or not? )
Or not. If the guy was afraid to admit to it. People get scared into that alot. Especially against so many, certain, popular furs.
Popular people are 100% perfect.
And yes, many people don't report rapes. But If your friends witnessed it first hand, and didn't report it, they're accessories to a felony. Another reason I think it's A) made up or B) the details were exaggerated.
BUT. Two comppletely unrelated people talked to me about this a few days after they came back from last years, and one more recently ( 3 ) Came to me about it too.
So if it's a rumor, it's a rumor, but if not, better to keep the eyes out for it right?
You SHURE are being defencive, trying to make it look like a myth. A MYTH!?
Why is that?
its not that hard.. I used to be rumored to be a woman, a black woman too :D... im a white man XD
A good point is.
If it is a rumor, it's better to be safe and keep an eye out so it never does happen.
If it IS happening, then it's better to get it out there to prevent it.
Is there something wrong with that?
....But since your going that way..
How can you say be careful to someone, while being spacific to what to be careul about, without spreading a rumor, of some sort?
( The only name I said was Kage, btw, ( AC, lolol ), that was more of a jest~ )
It is up to the person who hears it, to choose what they hear, or read.
Example.
'Careful, I don't know if the guy who lives in this house is nice or not'
Sure, your just saying to be careful. It doesn't mean anything. However it depends on who your saying it to, it can be taken on a very wide range of ways.
Wether as ment, 'just be careful', or as alot of various.... ludicrous, and unsubstantiated, bases for rumors. Such as he's a rapist, or he is rude, or does mean things to kittens, or, has a reason to be mean at all, in any way.
I've been in the fandom for over 15 years, been going to cons since 1989, I'm already quite careful. I'm just saying don't believe everything you hear from your friends. I have friends who I love dearly, but their eyewitness accounts are at times suspect.
This isn't a trial~
However when my friends, multiple ones of them even, come forward with something like this, it wouldn't be a joke, or ..something to not take seriously.
Even if they 'were' joking. It's something to consider, watch out for at a con, and ensure does not happen. Same as anywhere else in the world.
This isn't a trial~
However when my friends, multiple ones of them even, come forward with something like this, it wouldn't be a joke, or ..something to not take seriously.
Even if they 'were' joking. It's something to consider, watch out for at a con, and ensure does not happen. Same as anywhere else in the world.
I didn't mean the other 14+ years, only this past one. Other then this one, never heard of anything.
Cons develop, grow, in both good and bad ways every year. Not just anthro ones, but all kinds of conventions.
Then again, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it might well actually be a duck.
Honestly it says a lot about how this PR faux pas happened in the first place.
Also, that "code of conduct" you mention in the FAQ, might be a good idea to post that. Especially if it supports your case.
It's gonna be a sex party whether the panda dude likes it or not.
Unlike most furs.
because i don't think you do.
Or will you just move on, as so many have before you, to the next outrageous outrage?
of course I won't. This thing goes by without a scratch then I'll just make fun of how many people probably now have AIDS and STD's :D
don't bother with that popufur guy, hes the definition of a click, something that high school kids use for a defense when cornered. Sadly, he makes america look bad
but hopefully it wont be as bad as people make it out to be^^' if so THEN we can flame and hate XD
course i wont deny, it is likely to be attracting all the slutt-orgy fanatics over the decent fun loving folks, imho^^'
so hopefully the dreaded stereotypes wont fly ;)
i'd likely attend to see what it was about if i had the money ironically XD (even if i'd be in my hotel room on my cmoputer 60% of the time)
Also, I am always in favor of another furry convention, but really the draw on this one appears to be A) all adult content all the time and B) opportunities to play grabass with fellow conventioneers. As someone who is happily in a relationship and can make his own adult-artwork, so far I don't see anything here that really catches my interest. I wish them luck, but I'm a little doubtful as to whether adult art and a holiday theme are enough to hold together a successful con.
Best of luck srsly you creatures don't yiff my grandparents.
i even read every comment xD
Reminds me of a furry version of Dracula's ball, just a shame I have no funds to even think of going up there.
Anyways, I wish them the best of luck with it.
The only thing I disagree with is the same thing I disagree with with all adult-themed public events. Pride Parades, Adult cons, and so on and so forth. Keep it in the bedroom or among friends, people. :1
I think it applies to all fetishes.
Then again, at least it's all inside... I hope.
Don't try and deny that Europe has no decency laws, either.
thats fine if you don't liek it, but as a warning, don't come to sweden if you expect to only see clean things.
An area that is not private, nor designated for "sexual" activities as in a public sidewalk during normal business hours, a busy hotel, a super market, that kinda thing. I HIGHLY doubt you're stepping over couples having sex while shopping for dinner over there in Sweden.
I may be coming off as a Prude, but really I'm not. It's more a common courtesy thing, than a "You're evil and going to hell" or "Ew that's gross and you're a horrible person" kinda thing.
but anyways, glad to clear this up, hopefully everything will blow away and people can move on
http://www.foxmas.com/faq.html#Orgy
it states its not an orgie fest, and that minors are not allowed
But it IS a sexual THEMED party. There's going to be bondage gear and all that stuff that normally shows up at adult conventions. Just because it's not an orgy doesn't make it non sexual.
*Not to mention
*General
so on and so forth.
*fumbles too*
Also, I'm laughing at Soron trying to clear up this "misunderstanding" here. Instead of explaining everything into the ground, just change the dang website page to reflect the questionable parts of this.
The very first impression I got without even reading it was "SEX" due to that picture on the front page. Some of the comments (while joking it seems, as told by the comments) just helps to add to the sex theme.
Wether it was their intentions or not, that's the impression it's giving to A LOT of people.
If the party is seriously about dancing and the drink, why not have a picture of a dancing drunk fox, and not one waiting to have a cock shoved up his butt? >.>
And I'm sorry if I seemed to impose anything when I cited my opinion, folfie, but observing that made me... I unno, still a little squicky about it. It's how it's perceived that makes the crowd go crazy.
I mean, seriously...
Ohhh I'm so excited! Where do I sign up?
TOO BAD THE CLUB AINT 21 AND UP RIGHT
NO UNDERAGE KIDS WILL BE DRINKIN
If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and acts like a duck, it's a duck.
This partys the fucking duck.
_rain
Yes. FOXmas will be the first overtly ADULT furry convention. That does NOT mean that we will tolerate public nudity, yiffing in convention spaces, etc. (See the FOXmas CODE OF CONDUCT for details) We intend to only have adults, so that we can treat you like adults, but you must also ACT like adults.
As far as I'm concerned, this is a perfectly just reasoning, and especially the "Treat you like adults" part is probably muchly overdue.
But while the concept is great, I think we all know there will be plenty of adults there not acting like adults. However, I still do not expect some giant furpile orgy to break out in the convention hall/area.
This is the *last* thing this community needs right now!
*shakes head*
All the best,
Rukario
There's this term at bars and clubs called
"+18 to party, +21 to drink"
That's why its 18 and up and not 21 and up.
o/~ Shake your ass, and show then what your worth. o/~
Is the song that comes to mind when reading the site. Also...
*in Yoda's voice* Hard to see, the future is. The Darkside of the Furry clouds everything.
Xan Steel
so yeah, i can say it is the most important event un furry history. But this is just my opinion, im not a wikipedia (taking out the editing part) after all.
You can take this as a hater comment or an opinion with no sides to join. Feel free to express
Do you go around looking for people who have "the coolest person ever" on their profiles? lmao