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You are what you look at? I don't think so (rant)
16 years ago
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I've had something on my mind for a long time, because the more I see it the more irritated I've become. I've seen a lot of people labeling others for what they look at or draw. The best example would be people calling cubs sick, and that the people who draw it are pedophiles.
The same applies to shota and lolita fans/artists. They are called pedophiles by people.
Now, I do not support pedophilia in the least, but I don't think these people ARE pedophiles.
Why do I think this?
Because sometimes I like shota/lolita/cub. But I would never EVER think that way of a real child in any way shape or form. I detest that kind of thing, because I myself was abused like that as a kid. I would report it and try my best to protect said child if something bad happened to them. I dislike pedophiles, because they are taking advantage of someone that's too young to fight for themselves or know any better.
But back to my original point. I don't dislike people who enjoy shota/lolita/cub, because I know most of them AREN'T pedophiles like other people seem to think.
These characters are drawn, often to look appealing and attractive, and they usually act and function differently than a real child might.
Let me try to make more sense here:
I love guro, it's one of my big fetishes. For those who don't know, Guro is gore, most commonly known to be attractive anime girls being chopped up, hacked, slashed, mutilated, tortured, etc.
So, calling a cub/shota/lolita a pedophile, is like calling me a psychotic person with murderous tenancies.
My argument would be that I actually HATE blood in real life, I cringe when I see open wounds, and I find real gore to be very gross and unappealing. I would never hurt anyone in my life, not anyone real at least (meaning I don't mind tearing up my drawn characters) I'm a very kind and loving person who loves to look out for others. My fascination with blood and gore is only in fantasy, I like to see overexadurated red and those shocked crying expressions, etc., but only on cartoon or anime characters (sometimes in live action movies if it's excessive and unrealistic amounts of blood) But the moment things get real, I avoid it.
In fact, on Gurochan, a forum where people post a ton of guro art, the people there are actually very nice. Much nicer than some you see on /b/. And they frown on real pictures of gore and ban it if anyone posts. They don't like photoshopped gore either, and even 3D rendered gore is not aloud to be posted there. A lot of guro people are actually very nice in real life and would never ever be capable of actually hurting someone.
See my point?
To make it even more clear and understandable... How many times have you seen a furry labeled as "beastialic"? I know for a fact most of you here AREN'T beastialic, even those who like feral are more than likely not attracted to real animals. Furry is a realm of fantasy where animal-like characters are made to look attractive, and many people like this. But do these furries have sex with their pets? I doubt it.
Furry, lolita, shota, cub, guro... All these fetishes and fascinations don't define who a person may be in real life. All of these categories are strictly a realm of fantasy, something that isn't real, something drawn to be visually attractive that many people like.
So next time, before you call another person a pedophile or say that cub is disgusting and wrong, realize that it's not reality, and probably never will be for the person enjoying it or drawing it. The same applies to any fetish.
Thanks for reading my little rant.
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The same applies to shota and lolita fans/artists. They are called pedophiles by people.
Now, I do not support pedophilia in the least, but I don't think these people ARE pedophiles.
Why do I think this?
Because sometimes I like shota/lolita/cub. But I would never EVER think that way of a real child in any way shape or form. I detest that kind of thing, because I myself was abused like that as a kid. I would report it and try my best to protect said child if something bad happened to them. I dislike pedophiles, because they are taking advantage of someone that's too young to fight for themselves or know any better.
But back to my original point. I don't dislike people who enjoy shota/lolita/cub, because I know most of them AREN'T pedophiles like other people seem to think.
These characters are drawn, often to look appealing and attractive, and they usually act and function differently than a real child might.
Let me try to make more sense here:
I love guro, it's one of my big fetishes. For those who don't know, Guro is gore, most commonly known to be attractive anime girls being chopped up, hacked, slashed, mutilated, tortured, etc.
So, calling a cub/shota/lolita a pedophile, is like calling me a psychotic person with murderous tenancies.
My argument would be that I actually HATE blood in real life, I cringe when I see open wounds, and I find real gore to be very gross and unappealing. I would never hurt anyone in my life, not anyone real at least (meaning I don't mind tearing up my drawn characters) I'm a very kind and loving person who loves to look out for others. My fascination with blood and gore is only in fantasy, I like to see overexadurated red and those shocked crying expressions, etc., but only on cartoon or anime characters (sometimes in live action movies if it's excessive and unrealistic amounts of blood) But the moment things get real, I avoid it.
In fact, on Gurochan, a forum where people post a ton of guro art, the people there are actually very nice. Much nicer than some you see on /b/. And they frown on real pictures of gore and ban it if anyone posts. They don't like photoshopped gore either, and even 3D rendered gore is not aloud to be posted there. A lot of guro people are actually very nice in real life and would never ever be capable of actually hurting someone.
See my point?
To make it even more clear and understandable... How many times have you seen a furry labeled as "beastialic"? I know for a fact most of you here AREN'T beastialic, even those who like feral are more than likely not attracted to real animals. Furry is a realm of fantasy where animal-like characters are made to look attractive, and many people like this. But do these furries have sex with their pets? I doubt it.
Furry, lolita, shota, cub, guro... All these fetishes and fascinations don't define who a person may be in real life. All of these categories are strictly a realm of fantasy, something that isn't real, something drawn to be visually attractive that many people like.
So next time, before you call another person a pedophile or say that cub is disgusting and wrong, realize that it's not reality, and probably never will be for the person enjoying it or drawing it. The same applies to any fetish.
Thanks for reading my little rant.
COMMISSION LIST:
1 digital color (Inking), 1 color comic, 5 page ink and shade comic
1 digital color, not started
Sketch, awaiting payment 1 Digital Color, Sketched
4 page sketch comic, not started
1 digital color, not started
5 Digital color comics, not started
2 digital color, not startedNote: comics take longer for me, so if you have been waiting a while it might mean I'm working on a comic commission for someone earlier on the list, be sure to check
I'm also not a furry, but people assume I am because I draw furry porn. I draw what I draw because my watchers like it, if it were up to me, I'd be drawing more humans.
Thanks for being so open about all this. It's really nice to see someone who shares similar opinions. I hate how people assume just because you draw something, you like it irl. Drawing is about expression, fantasy, drawing things you wouldn't normally see irl, things that don't exsist. We draw it because we CAN. I'm not attracted to females in the slightest, but I draw them because I find it fun to draw. I don't know why, I can't explain it, I just do.
It's art, people need to stop taking it so damn seriously all the time. Art is supposed to be free expression. Sheesh
It's only harmful when it's made real, and I wish people would understand that.
Unfortunately, here in the west, due to the spread of Christianity which popularized the idea, the moral zeitgeist is permeated with the notion that thinking about a crime is just as bad as doing it. Thinking about stealing makes you a thief, lusting after a woman makes you an adulterer, and enjoying fantasy age-play makes you a child molester in your heart. It's wrong, and it's ass-backwards. Some people need to have fantasies, and having fantasies helps to keep those urges as fantasies.
It's pretty much a proven fact that the more sexually repressed a culture is the more said culture is plagued by sexual crimes. In the middle east, where pornography and sex before marriage are strictly forbidden, instances of rape and various other forms of sexual abuse are woefully high, whereas in Japan, where porn is pretty readily available everywhere, few people have a very uptight attitude toward sex, and even lolicon, while rare to find compared to other forms of porn, is no more frowned upon than being fat or being a slacker would be frowned upon, rates of sexual crime are dramatically lower.
I'm not sure what one person can do to change the moral zeitgeist. I don't really care about being accepted, but I do wish people would actually do some friggin' research before they spout retarded nonsense about how I should register as a sex offender just because I draw loli, shota, and cubs. It's called 'Google' people, it's not that hard to use! >,<
I wouldn't want to be called a "Erotophonophile" when I'm just a gurophile, and a furry wouldn't want to be called a zoophile when they're just furries.
And I was actually discussing the comparison between the Japanese media and culture with the western media and culture earlier with someone, and it's just interesting how people here blame the media for criminal acts, while in Japan, they are so open with publishing violence, pornography of many kinds, etc, but have such a small crime rate. They don't have to repress the feelings, they can watch as much as they want without feeling so stressed and tense about it.
It's like Canada having a lower abortion rate than America despite it being allowed. In America, it's such a taboo thing that the stress of it all probably leads people to do it more often, since it feels like the only way to do it.
The human mind is so strange like that. Things that are repressed are more likely to come out eventually, but if you mild something down with constant access to a fantasy of it, you're less likely to release frustration of it.
I'm a little curious to see what will happen in Japan, I heard they recently banned porn depicting rape. I wonder what that might do?
Personally, I don't have many, if any, fetishes. When people call "cub-lovers" pedophiles, it dissapoints me. That's like calling someone mentally retarded because they answered a tough question wrong.
Many people seem to think being a furry means you run around acting like an animal and pee on trees if your a dog and lick yourself if your a cat. In public. Ew, not true.
Well, some might be like that. But I don't know any.
Erm. Not going to ask what a fetish is, so, not gonna comment on that. But, I do know what pedophiles are, and so far, I haven't encountered a single one here on fA since I joined around this time last year. Sure, I've met horny ones, I've been flirted with(This stopped IMMEDIATELY when I told them my age, and they apologized profusely each time) and I've been raged at. But never been sexually molested by someone who I know actively draws 'adult' rated things.
But seriously, so agreeing with ya here. People need to cram their labels and assumptions right up their ass.
and as you've mentioned ther eis that difference between the internet and real life.
I mean, you don't see any of the countless WOW players worldwide running around throwing lightning at people...
To use a ridiculous comparison, saying that because one is a pedophile, one is also a child molester, is akin to saying that because one is an atheist, one is a believer in evolution. Being an atheist may lead one to have a more open mind about such matters, but it's a far cry from a guarantee. You cannot infer anything about an atheist beyond the fact that they lack a belief in deities, and you cannot infer anything about a pedophile beyond the fact that they have some sort of attraction to children.
Sorry, it's just something that irks me. Beyond that, I agree with you.
Is simple if i Draw one Girl of 23 Year olds, "she" have 23 year old or have the 5 minutes of live i late in make the draw?
(sorry my bad english)
But what's it called if you like to look at it sometimes but it doesn't bring any form of arousal whatsoever? I've been trying to figure that one out for the longest time, since I often enjoy looking at various things that can be considered fetish but I feel no attraction to it, rather my eyes just like to look at it and that's it.
And what the heck is a gore fetishist called when they only like fake blood.. D'ohh..
With loli/shota/cub it's hard to really know how to pinpoint how I feel on it, but it's usually just being drawn to something cute I suppose. If they look like real kids I draw away from it because it just, well, kids are pretty gross looking to be honest. Most loli/shota is drawn to appear more shiny and sexually appealing than a real child would probably ever be, unless a parent decides to doll them up for some sick ass reason.
That's the problem with cartoonized porn, it becomes hard to distinguish things apart. An anime adult can look almost exactly like a lolita, and I think the mind connects the two but it wouldn't really connect the lolita to a real life child. It's more connecting similarities to the hot anime girl that's on a ton of hentai sites. When things are made to look appealing to the mind and draw similarities from things that are ok, I think the mind tricks itself and says 'hey this looks like this, so it must be fine and attractive'
When I look at my own interests I suppose that there is something appealing about contradictions, and something cute with something so dirty must give that feeling that draws me to it. It becomes more a fetish if it involves blood, and even then I don't know why because I really do hate blood in real life and I'm always afraid of seeing people getting hurt, yet Guro, the bloodier it is, the more enticed I am by it. And for some reason my favorite kind is loli guro. So kids getting chopped up and gored, which sounds pretty fucking sick. And anyone who would enjoy it in real life would be absolutely disgusting, in my eyes. It's annoying when things are hard to explain, but perhaps it could also be a psychological thing from my childhood... I mean, I did used to obsessively watch horror and true crime documentaries when I was 10, which was sadly around the same time a child molester introduced me to pornography films. Maybe somehow my mind connected porn/violence/childhood? Maybe I'm enjoying something I feel was ripped from me? I have no idea. No idea at all. :/