All I see in journals much anymore is begging, help this person out (assisted begging) and people lying to everyone about needing money so they can do what they can't afford to do while they attend cons on the money they should be using to pay bills with.

So here's a slightly different kind of journal.

I'm getting more artwork done. I pay for these commissions with money I set aside, AFTER I pay my bills, and budget food/etc.

I'm buying a house. Yup finally going to have a place to display some of the artwork I have commissioned, maybe just a few pieces. Someplace I can invite friends to visit :)


(runon paragraph warning!)

Elliots, I just got back from my first ever Vegas trip (barring airport terminal plane exchange only visits) It was pretty good. Was with the Boyfriend the entire trip :D That was SUPER. Hung out with a few friends, and hung out with Frisky/Fisky for a bit as well as one of the Mascots - I still don't know if that was Elliot or someone else just mascotting. Otherwise, didn't know anyone really at the con. I have see Woodymutt and Kiwalyon around, Saw Menstruelwolf briefly, met Reevethelion and Darkou as well as someone who tailed our group most of friday night (no problems with stalkers here :P) Gambled, won/lost ate a fuckton of food - nothing was dissapointing foodwise - and you HAVE to visit heartattack grill it's fuckingFABULOUS! I'll probably go next year :)

I might have helped get my boyfriend a really nice job working withe me :) We'll find out later, I'm not holding my breath on this one, but hey, I'm using the "Never hurts to try" Mantra here.

Just got back from Arizona again, visiting the boyfriend and driving too/from Elliots :) Met up with some older acquaintances as well as just a handful of new ones. Didn't see everyone, maybe next trip, so long as it's not the trip where I bring the boyfriend back with me to live :)

More art coming, yes I'm still feeding artists.

Don't forget to check out the first 5 pages of the Forgewielder and Rrowdybeast (UnshackledFenrir) Collab Comic including Ssvanti and Vverevvolf.

Amwulf is also working on a comic for me along with quite a few people I've been meaning to get artwork with :)

If things keep going nicely, I'll eventually finish my prep to move everything over to Sofurry :D

I'll be at Elliots Spring Gathering(2013) in a few weeks. I had everything lined up and I'll be seen around with  yurimatsue we'll be on the lookout for a few of you. This will be my first Elliots, so here's to popping that cherry.

PS still looking for an artist for the 100 Character orgy. I can't post more specifics till the artist taking on the project and I work out the finer details. http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4459618/

I am looking for an artist to do a 100 character orgy image. Details to follow.

Ultimately artist and I will workout payment/details. I will be the go between, the artist only deals with me, I cover the full tab and provide ALL information.

I have yet to decide if females will be allowed or if it's just all male again. Doubtful but I might even open up to all the other classifications ie, herm, trans, cuntboi, etc. Lets just assume all male at the moment for simplicity sake.

I'm looking for at leas the same level of detail of the 60man orgy by  fydbac http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5193319/

This is posted to get people to start churnin ideas.

50 slots will be raffled/given away for free at a minimum, I'll hand pick some friends and whatever's not filled will also go to community pool. Don't beg and don't inquire. When I open the opportunity to offer your character the bidding process will be open for no less than 30days and instructions will be posted.

If you offer your character and you are selected, you cannot retract after the selection process is posted. We had one try last orgy, that wound up becoming a dramastorm. Not again. You offer and get selected you're stuck, so don't offer if you don't mean it.

Yeah I'll be posting all my art over on Sofurry. Think I'm done with this site, honestly been done with it for a while but it just never seems to die off. I'm not clearing out what's here, at least not for now.

Don't expect more submissions here, other journals and possibly notes. Turning this back into a lurker account. I've listed where else you can find me.

Leaving? No, not leaving.

Why Sofurry? I've had an account there longer than most others and it's alot more user friendly. I'll also be able to PROPERLY give artists DUE credit and report cards as well as warn fellow community members of ISSUE artists.

See ya'll 'round!

Currently have a revision being made on ChimeraSynx, I submitted him earlier this week and got rejected for "Too much information" I've since rewritten his and will resubmitt after I get an answer to a question I ask later in this journal.

I've also filed on Inkwell-Pony and Randomdragon(Resolved).

But I'm curious, and twitter has been REALLY UNHELPFUL so far, should I go back and file on the older "major" issues I've had? I mean the other artists I've had to make journals about. Located here:

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2836795/
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2309517/ & http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2285619/
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1639316/

So far best answer was - if they haven't changed, report it as an outstanding issue as a warning yet resolved. Unfortunately I won't honestly know if they've changed unless I hire them again or unless other people tell me they haven't through direct commissioning. Which leads me to think I shouldn't. However if others are still having the same issues I would be more inclined to post an older issue there to assist in current cases if those users were also posting on that specific artist.

But a larger problem I'm having is to post an image or not. I had an agreement with Chimerasynx not to tag his name on a particular image due to his preference, but I'm not allowed to report to AB that he gave me subpar work unless I link to the image and stated he did the art. So do I break my word with him (fair play since he's been nothing but difficult to deal with) or do I bite my tongue and remove the claim of lazy subpar quality artwork?

What I don't want to do, is send the wrong message to future artists, I don't want them thinking I'll rat them out, but on the same topic I don't want artists thinking they can walk all over me. Any suggestions?

Otherwise feel free to keep a watch on AB. I'll be using it from now on before I hire anyone, in addition to my newest commission policy.

http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/

Just to list my current owed Commissions. Just because someone's listed here doesn't mean I'm having a problem with them. Just listing art that's paid for but not received yet. Posting now, as I just did a bunch of updates to my spreadsheet showing owed/recently contracted/recently closed out.

BeastlyBahamut - 24Jun2011 - Sketch
Dipper - 8Apr2011 - Full Color
Donryu - 1Nov2011 - Full Color
Glassjawboxer - 20May2011 - Color Comic
Haruto_Ryuu - 26Aug2010 - Full Color
Inkwell-Pony - 17Mar2011 - Full Color *
Inert-Ren - 2May2012 - Full Color
RrowdyBeast - 6Dec2010 - Animation
RyanWardlow - 24Mar2012 - Full Color
Shuik - 24Aug2010 - Full Color
TheWielder - 10Jul2011 - Inked Comic

* Anyone Astriked are being disputed for failure to communicate and dragging the commission well passed 6 months or more, final notice has been issued before refund is forced.

And I put These on hold but am trying to get them finished:

Negger - Comic
Winddragon - Several pieces

Currently working with the following people to get art projects started:

Wuffamute
Stripes
Toumal
Jasonafex
Tiger-Paws


List of people I need to contact to see about art:

Characters:
Procene
Biggreenlizard
Drazil
Sandalf
Shaiz

Artist:
Painteddag


List of contacted and couldn't work out agreement:

Tornado
Renzey

If you should be listed on any of these, note me with the info and I'll see why I didn't have it written down.

PS still owe a concept to Necrodrone for appraisal.

Just a quick note about my ranting on twitter and prior journals.

Yes, I have been unwatching artists for posting ads as image submissions. I've stated this before, mostly on twitter, but also on other venues. Today I got into a long discussion on twitter with Danza about it.

Bottom line? I don't watch artists so they can spam me with their paysites, or lots of censored images. I don't watch them so they can tell me every five fucking minutes they are streaming art. I also don't watch artists so that they can tell me they can't pay this months bills and how much I should donate to help them stay afloat.

I stopped paying for subscription at deviantart, for the same reason, they were shoving ads down my throat after i paid them to REMOVE ALL ADS, as their subscription stated. I challenged them on still having Deviantart ads on paid accounts, they told me they won't remove them, so I said FUCK YOU and pulled my subscription. Just doing the same here. You spam me and I remove my subscription to you. Hell I don't even use DA much anymore at all.

Why did I correlate DA to FA? Honestly wasn't, that's just what it looks like. I was stating my distaste for advertising and spam. I never said I paid for FA, or a subscription on FA. If I'll drop a site I'm paying for , for advertising and spam, why the hell wouldn't I if it was supposed to be free?

Why the hell do I watch artists then? So I can see the actual "art" they upload on this FREE Gallery site. Oh right, I'm immature and a huge asshole because I expect to use this site as it was advertised? Alright, I'm game.

What's my beef? Simple, when I click on "107S" I shouldn't see 15 icons all saying "Streaming", I shouldn't see any. I tend to nuke journals now days because those are already filled with "Streaming", "I'm poor", "I can't pay my bills this month", "Commission status: I'm behind but it's not my fault version 213", etc. I opted OUT of reading who's streaming and when. So artists have figured out over time that if they post the announcement as a NEW submission to the FA system, we can't opt out of it and are forced to see the image via "browse" or through watching. Ok, abuse the system, Staff won't stop you, so I have to fix the issue myself.

I find it rather deplorable that artists would do this, but FA seems to be allowing it. I know I've asked for a policy change, I've asked multiple times for a policy change over the last "almost 2 years." Getting told it's coming still.

I don't see anything changing by asking the artists to stop. I don't see them stopping. The only way I see this getting fixed is to fix it myself. I will be unwatching them. I'm not asking anyone else to do the same, but I am mentioning the option exists.

I'm not just unwatching, I'm keeping a list of all the artists I unwatch. 1 simple reason, if the site fixes the issue and artist stop posting streaming submissions, then I'll gladly re-watch them. I need the list to cross check who. No I won't share the list, I'm not driving traffic their way, that's self defeating.

I've asked Sofurry and FA to add a system so artists who want to advertise can, and those who want to opt in for those ads, can receive them. So far, neither site has done anything I can see, to either stop the submissions or give a detourant to those who want to advertise. I blame FA itself for lacking the functionality that artists and watchers each need to use the site to it's potential. I feel the same about Sofurry, but I'm honestly seeing progress on that site every day, so I have hopes this issue with be a trivial one and resolved over there very soon.

I'm not hating on the artists, if there's any hate involved it's directed at a poorly coded site and those that let it stay that way. I'm sad we are forced to deal with such pains, because those able don't have it fixed (if you are indeed even working to fix it). Again, if I didn't have to fix it myself, and if the community as a majority could let this site go and flock somewhere else I'd be there too and doing less bitching.

I've got more to say, but not really feeling like saying it at the moment.

Toumal changed the code over on Sofurry so that users can toggle between ICON+Name, Just ICON, or Original when you click browse artwork.

ICON = artists custom Thumbnail
Original = System generated Thumbnail, an exact copy of the image itself shrunk to thumb size

So if you don't like being tricked into clicking on fake thumbs, or want to know what's waiting if you open the page, Sofurry's incorporated it!

Now if we could just get FA to do it!

Things you NEED to be aware of before you accept my commission:

-I ONLY use PayPal.
-I will not prepay until you are ready to start my project.
-There is a 44 day suspense deadline on this project from date of payment.
-If you need additional time to complete, I will give another 20days to the deadline.
-Projects that require more time will only be paid in installments, as work is done. This will be discussed and agreed upon prior to any payments being issued.
-I need you to communicate with me. Inform me of things like setbacks, issues/etc.

Additional items of interest:
ALL publicly displayed copies of the image "must" contain the characters names ON the actual image. You may place these names as a copyright statement if you so choose. The hi-res private version does not need this. I retain rights to post artwork on galleries I manage. You retain the copyrights to the image, not to the character(s).

If multiple characters are in the image, each character owner may upload to their own galleries. If you sell the image, or include it in a portfolio, you as the artist are responsible for contacting the other characters in the image for permission. You have mine so long as "Ssvanti" appears on the image itself in whatever medium you reproduce it in.

If you can agree to this, feel free to check out my character reference. (this will be shortened and revised shortly)

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1868862/

Please note that I have NO; absolute, "copy this image," of my character. I usually get my character rendered in the artists style. I find it pleasantly artistic.

I will no longer pre-pay for commissions. Too many artists have fucked me over in the end by taking my money, then working on other projects, or taking other commissions, and eventually refunding my money to me, after they decide to cancel.

Several have refused to pay the paypal fee imposed by their decision to spend my money for 2 years and not even cover that.

Those that agreed to pay a minor interest rate should they decide to cancel (not me) have failed to pay that rate as well. Like one half percent is really too much, seriously. I'm not a charity, you treat me like a bank, you pay the interest, period. I'll be filling out artist beware later tonight on the two most recent offenders.

I'm honestly an easy person to deal with, don't fuck around or fuck off on my projects.

I'll be posting my revised commission policy soon. Can't agree to it? Then we won't be doing business, period. Go scam someone else.

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This is for the trolls - this journal is a public service announcement from me to artists considering letting me hire them, not a place for you to come in and troll.

Instead of reporting your activity for harassment and letting admins deal with you, I hid your threads. Please refrain from posting anymore, I honestly hate censorship but you are forcing my hand. I really don't want to have to use the block feature either :/

Index

-Art Status
-TFF
-Gripes

Outstanding Art - Owed list, contemplation for new projects

Prepaid Works

BeastlyBahamut - paid 24Jun2011 - 1 sketch
ChimeraSynx - paid 27Jan2010 - 2pcs have seen artwork waiting for completion still
Dipper - paid 8Apr2011 - 1pc
Dracostreex - paid 29Nov2010 - 1pc recently streamed a bit of work on it
Evilkingtreffle - paid 24Mar2011 - 1pc
Fydbac - Iksar Silicon prosthesis for bodypainting still in works sculpt phase
Glassjawboxer - paid 20may2011 - several pieces only seen a few sketches
Grisser - paid 10Mar2010 - 1pc
Jathiros - paid 15Feb2012 - 1pc
Haruto_Ryuu - paid 26Aug2010 - 1pc
Inkwell-Pony - paid 17Mar2011 - 1pc sketch complete still waiting on color
Shiuk - paid 24Aug2010 - 1pc saw sketch, as well as sketches for unpaid items
TheWielder - paid 19Aug2011 - 5pcs
White-Devil - paid 22Nov2010 - 1pc
Also prepaid a few items at TFF2012 still compiling that information.

Non-paid items

Comp_Five - 1 group piece, seen a sketch waiting on completion to pay

I have a few other pieces being discussed with artists, but they aren't at a stage worth posting here yet.

Inquiry

I was pondering posting my list of CILF's "Characters I'd Like to Fuck", should I, or just keep that private and between myself and them until the artwork gets done?

I was contemplating posting a list of Artists I was interested in hiring, but I'm not sure I want to do that either yet.

TFF review

I had a good time. I got to visit with some friends the week prior, and ate and slept alot. I met some new people and that was a blast.

The con itself was rather Small, but I'm used to attending FC/AC/MWFF so that was expected. The con hotel wasn't bad at all, and everything was close by. Food/shops etc were closer to the hotels at FC/AC but so long as you had a car TFF was close enough. The Dealers room, was between 1/3 to 1/2 the size of AC/FC and about the same as MWFF. The artist ally was larger than FC, but smaller than AC/MWFF.

If things continue the way they are right now, I'll probably add TFF to my con lineup. I know quite a few of the Texas furs in the area and even other attendee's.

I ordered 2 commissions while there, neither for me :D just for someone more special.

GRIPES

Going to start in with my gripes and complaints. I tend to try and not do that, as no matter what you say or how you say it, people will always interpret what they want and some will purposely try to make it out as you said something you never did, just to createe drama. I'm gonna go ahead and just see how this goes with this journal, however. So here's my bitches/gripes/complaints from my perspective.

Before you start reading my personal gripes, please keep in mind that I am a watcher, a collector as well as a commissioner. I am not using FA as an artist would I'm using it as person who enjoys art would, so please keep that "perception" in mind when you question why some of this is pissing me off.

Artists using image submissions to advertise: Livestreams, paysites, selling shit

Are you livestreaming, are you selling stuff, are you open for commissions, or are you doing art included on a paysite? GOOD FUCKING HOORAY for you, post a journal, add the info to your user page and STOP POSTING images about it.

When I first started browsing FA I had alot of extra time on my hands, now days I have very little. I really don't want to have to start unwatching assholes who want to just keep flooding my new sumbissions with stuff that should be done via other means. Image submissions are for LEGIT ARTWORK, not notices!

When I clicked "WATCH+" for your account I did so to get FA to link me to your new artwork as you posted it. I didn't click "WATCH+" so that you could just keep shoveling BS spam at me.

If you are 100% adamant on being a true asshat, then post ONE image in the scraps and LINK TO IT from your twitter/email/livejournal/tumblr/etc. Stop deleting the GD thing and resubmitting each time. Hopefully the staff will ban the practice soon, like they said they would. Oh and STOP dragging this shit over to Sofurry too!

Censoring art

Seriously considering unwatching artists who post censored artwork. I hate it, it butchers the image, it's defacing and detracts from the experience. 3 artists in particular come to mind, and while I enjoy their art seeing the censored crap is pushing my bloodpressure up too much.

Another type of censoring that really pisses me off is when an artist uploads a censored image and says "go to IB/Sofurry/etc to see full image" seriously why bother? No link, just a butchered image and callous text saying "go find it", even the ones who link to uncensored images, why? Post a journal saying you post art on those sites and leave it at that. There's places for you to link to your galleries, and you could just do that in a journal. Stop wasting our time and flooding our new submissions with bullshit.

I could probably have covered that with advertising, but it's the butchered images (carrots) that piss me off even more.

Schizo Gallery

You want to host galleries all over on multiple sites? Great do it. Stop forcing us, your viewers, to create accounts everywhere though. PICK a site and post your stuff there, all of it, so we only have to visit the one site. Then go play your "where's waldo" with your art in the remaining galleries. By posting only some art at each site and forcing us to either miss out completely or create the extra accounts and check back all the time to catch it, makes you look like a deranged lunatic with the worst case of ADD ever.

If you truly want people to SEE YOUR ART, then SHOW IT to them, don't make a fucking mind game out of it. You'll wind up losing most of your fanbase due to not caring anymore or the trouble being worth less than the time and effort it took to go everywhere.

I DO realize that artists don't owe "us" anything. That they are "allowing" us to view their art free of charge. That's not being disputed. If it were I'd just unwatch like I'm about to do with all the artist who are ONLY here for the money/paysite/ads/censored work.

Clean vs Nudity vs Mature vs Adult

I'm going define what these are to me, as I've found almost EVERYONE has their own interpretation and hardly do we all ever agree on what is what.

Clean = no depictable penetration or purposely sexually stimulating act like foreplay/copulation/penetration/orgasm. To me, nudity is still clean art.

Nudity = lack of clothing, that's it. Some people try and say that there is no penis/anus/vagina in nudity and that "artistic nudity" won't show that. Well that's not true. Artistic nudity is more about the composition, orientation, positioning and angle of the body, using the body for art, rather than just a person standing normally nude. It's using creativity to capture the viewer's attention with what you have, rather than just throwing genitals out there.

http://www.tjcenter.org/ArtOnTrial/obscenity.html is a nice short and to the point article on this topic.

What's my point here? Artists, STOP trying to say that artistic nude doesn't have bits. Nude is nude, artistic nude is more about presentation, it adds purpose/reason and aesthetics.

Mature = topics that children or teens may find confusing, or that the community as a whole has deemed they shouldn't see without parental guidance. For me mature means on top of nudity, you add graphic violence, drug use, and quite a few kinks that don't involve sexual intercourse (bondage being an example). Believe it or not, an erection doesn't automatically make a picture/painting automatically adult in rating, nor mature. A picture of a man with an erection is still just nudity, until something of sexual nature is introduced like kissing, or fondling, or other actions that would be considered sexual arousal, rather than just a penis in different states.

Adult = this is merely where everything else goes. Personally I see human sexuality as a mature topic, sex/foreplay/orgasm/masturbation/ejaculation etc all I would rather see as mature, but we have them all in Adult. I only listed this one to express my thoughts on moving "sex" to Mature.

It really bursts my bubble when artists refuse to draw phallus or vagina. We all have these things, they aren't evil parts given to us by the devil to trick us. I keep hearing, why does it need to be there? Well why can't it be there? Simply because you have this misconception that drawing "nude" will keep you out of a full time professional job somewhere? LOL whatever. Art curriculum includes the NAKED HUMAN FORM, animal drawings are all nude unless you added clothing to it yourself. If ANYTHING was going to keep you out of a job it'd be furry art, NOT nudity or sex.

Lately I've been getting as many artists saying no to drawing dick, even if it's flaccid, as I keep getting to drawing of ninjaturtles (both sadden me greatly).

Recap: If you aren't going to draw dick then POST THAT ON YOUR USERPAGE so I know ahead of inquiring. If you aren't going to draw it no matter what, stop using terms like "I only draw artistic nude" because that STILL INCLUDES DICK! Actually say you won't draw GENITALS!


Ethics/Morals/Values/Priorities

Artists taking side jobs, doing own projects while customers who pre-paid wait for months. If you are doing this, then commissions isn't the line of work for you, period. If someone pays you $200.00 upfront for a 2 character color image, and you are taking more than a month to complete, you shouldn't be opening commissions back up till your queue is empty. Until that persons commission is completed and received, you shouldn't be taking money from ANYONE else, unless they explicitly (no not ambiguously) agreed to a long waiting period and didn't mind you taking other jobs on the side.

Doing your own projects while customers who've paid wait, is also bad practice. That's all I'm going to call it right now, it's not something I see alot of but it exists and just sets my skin on fire when I see someone sitting at 4+months with an outstanding project by a well liked artist, just because he/she needed to vent their creative outlet for 2 months.

This topic doesn't just concern me, I've been watching people I chat with get burned on it too, it's picking up momentum as well. Quite a few IRRESPONSIBLE artists are just taking people's money and not delivering, delivering extremely late, or delivering subpar products than what was agreed too.

Conartists, Thieves, Cheaters and Leeches

A few people I chat with irregularly, people I'd like to consider friends, but not really sure if I or they qualify to call each that yet, have been attending cons over the last 2 years and have pointed out an issue to me that I find rather disturbing.

They attend a con and look for artists to draw up their characters, so they lug around a sketchbook, binder, or some such to hand to artists for work. There's a FEW people attending cons that look for this and will yell out at you, using a very dominant tone, somewhat on the pushy side while trying to keep a smile and not push too hard as to scare the "unsuspecting" customer off. The trick is to guilt you into paying them by making you look bad in front of people. They say things like "I love your character, give me your book so I can draw him for you" and they purposely don't say anything about $$/cost/reimbursement so they can imply that it's free. They then sketch for you and then say "that'll be $xxx.xx" and not return your book till you pay.

People watch out for this shit. I honestly had 3 "artists" attempt this shit with me over FC, MWFF and TFF. No one pushes me to buy something, so when artists ask for my book, or if they ask to draw my character, I always start off with "How much?" and refuse to get further into discussion till I'm either assured it's free or we've agreed on the price at hand (which is usually the case).

My advice to you, don't pay for anything you didn't want. I'm not saying rip artists off, I'm saying fuck the shady bastards trying to coax you into giving them your money. If someone is trying to use your friends, nearby people, or anyone else to help guilt you into buying their art, separate yourself from the situation and come back later.

Hitting the road in the morning with a co-worker, we are attending training on a few computer systems. We'll be doing setup, the course, teardown and then going back home to do an After Action Report. It's good familiarization and education. I'll be eating good since I'll pull Per Diem for the trip :D but I also intend to exercise, there are awesome facilities, tracks and running routes all over.

This'll be in Little Rock Arkansas

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I'll be heading to Phoenix Arizona shortly after I get back from the training. Blowing some Leave and seeing a few friends. Food to be had, probably little to no exercise ;p

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FURRY FIESTA

Stolen from  acroth

Q: Where are you staying?
A: Con Hotel Friday - Sunday

Q: When will you be arriving and leaving?
A: I'll be there from the 19th - 26th, seeing friends, meeting new people and doing whatever :D

Q: Who will you be rooming with?
A: I will be rooming with  Ddraglaisdragon ,  ArcNova , and  Acroth .

Q: Where will you be most of the time during the day/s?
A: I honestly have no clue. I suppose I will follow people around though, as habbits are hard to break :D If you spot the roomies, I'll probably not be far off.

Q: What/where will you be eating?
A: I have no clue, I eat pretty much anything, I have stuff yet to try, guess we'll see!

Q: Will you be having a room party?
A: Not that I'm aware of, though it's not my room, as to attending room parties, I've been invited to none ;p

Q: Will you be drinking and/or getting drunk?
A: I don't drink, ever, yes seriously.


PERSONAL STUFF:

Q: What is your gender?
A: I'm a Horny Male Iksar! oh... you just wanted Male....

Q: How tall are you?
A: 6'2"

Q: If I approach you, will you chat with me?
A: I won't promise it'll be pleasant or that I'll come off as buoyantly friendly and cheerful, but yes ;D

Q: If I see you, how should I get your attention?
A: say hi, if you don't know how to break the ice, talk about art or food.

Q: How many furry conventions have you attended?
A: FC since 2010 running, AC last two years, and MFF this year.

Q: Do you own a fursuit?
A: Well, kinda. I've got one being made, >ALMOST<* paid for, probably 85-90% paid at this point. It's been in the works for going on 2 years based on bodypaint and silicone prosthesis.

PERMISSIONS:

Q: Can I hug or snuggle with you?
A: I've come to love hugs, snuggles I'm not really sure about yet, though if you smell funny I may just yell "OMG YOU STINK" so be aware! Breath hits me pretty hard sometimes, not just underarm/crotch rot.

Q: How can I find you?
A: Mention me on Twitter, DM's work too. Timeline will NOT be followed during a con, tried through 3 so far and NEVER works, always 4+ hours behind after getting off the plane and NEVER catch up.

Q: Can I buy you drinks?
A: Non-Alcoholic, no strings, and likely.

Q: Can I look in your sketchbook?
A: If i bring one (usually 4) and they aren't out to artists, sure. I love showing other people's artwork off! I keep all my unposted art on my phone too!

Q: Can I draw in your sketchbook?
A: Normally I drop them off with artists, if you are looking through it and you have artistic talents, ask, show me your work and very likely you may!

Q: Can I take your picture?
A: I really don't like photo's of me. There are times I wish I had a few. Don't go out of your way for a photo of me, unless I ask you please, if you happen to catch me nabbing someone/something else, oh well right? Just don't post my name with the picture.


MISCELLANEOUS:

Q: Do you do do free art, trades, commissions, badges?
A: I hire artists.

Q: Do you have a table in the Artist Alley / Dealer's Den or a panel in the Art Show? If so, what are you selling?
A: I shant, and I won't ;p


Q: What's your goal for the con this year?
A: Fun, food, friends, acquaintances, away from home, art and well CON!

I'm currently looking to hire an artist for a specific task. I need someone who can envision a scenario and "ROUGHLY" Sketch out the character placement. I'm not looking for clean or finished sketches. I've had a few artists in the past do sketchwork for artists who have trouble setting up more complicated positioning. But those artists either aren't available or have raised their rates too high to be considered for this task.

I come up with some pretty difficult to pull off positioning and many times it will involve more than 5 characters at a time. So if you are thinking about offering to help with this, then please, be prepared for extremely difficult perspective/positioning.

Not saying I'm going to ask you to sketch out a 60man orgy, but I get told by artists quite a bit that something I intend is impossible or too difficult to complete, and it's not that I've picked the wrong artist for the render, but that the artist and I just aren't communicating effectively. I've found that having someone else sketch a rough, usually overcomes this obstacle.

If you are interested in offering your time/services, respond to this journal please. Not through notes, my notes are a mess and I'm still going through them.

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29January2012 Showing list

Also only considering artists who, themselves, post replies. I really don't have time to look at all the prospects and try to figure out myself if an artist is interested or not. They show interest by replying here. I'll maintain the list of prospects. I'll be looking through galleries soon, then shoot some concepts out to measure ability to capture viewpoint, character positioning and creativity.

So far interested artists:
Reaver2klru
white_wolf_infinity
morearty
flamekajiuma
blackwolfhell
heartlessfang
GFROG
Omadaun
Veitorka

Stolen from Yuri Matsue

- Where are you staying?
Hilton

- When are you arriving and departing?
12-16

- How are you getting there?
I was contemplating wormhole but I opted for flying instead.

- Rooming with?
 yurimatsue  kuronoenyo  isstmich and another who's FA page Yuri Matsue can't remember

- Who Will I likely see you with?
Well in prior years you'd see me pretty much by myself around dealers den or out eating alone. Last year I got quite a bit more social and you could have seen me with pretty much anyone, anytime, anywhere.

- Con Plans?
ADP, Some food, hoping to run into a few people, otherwise winging the whole thing.

- How can I find you?
I'll probably have a con badge on.

- Do you do free art?
Unfortuneately I don't "art" at least not publicly and not yet.

- Do you do trades?
Don't "Art"

- Do you take commissions?
Don't "Art"

- Do you have prints/Cds?
Never made any no ;p

- Will you be fursuiting? if so: What suit(s)?
I'd like to be parading around in bodypaint but my Prosthesis aren't finished yet :/

- Will you be going to parties?
I didn't used too, but I might, it's good place to be social

- Will you be performing?
I don't really perform, but if I'm enticed properly, I can make a really big fool out of myself.

- Do you smoke?
Nope, only ever get second hand.

- Do you drink?
Never, honestly prefer to keep it that way.

- Gender
Male.

- Can I hug you?
I've been getting into the hug thing, but I still prefer a handshake for first time meets (if I don't recall you offhand, etc.)

- Can I talk to you?
Yup

- Will you be at any panels?
ADP is the only one on my "Must" list right now.

- Can I touch you?
I suppose, but don't get scared/antsy if I reel ;p

- Can I buy you drinks?
People don't usually buy me things, I'd have to question your motives.

- How old are you?
34

- Can I snuggle with you?
Well isn't that an interesting question, I like snuggles but I'm going to reserve those for people I'm selective about. Sorry ;p

- If you're pissed off, should I approach you?
If I look pissed, you are probably fine, if I'm honestly actually pissed off everyone will know and trust me, you won't even consider approaching.

- Are you nice?
Sometimes too nice for everyone's good. (that also works the other way)

- Cliquey?
In a way I suppose, it's human nature after all, I do try to keep it from being too much though!

- How tall are you?
6'2"

- Can I Take pictures of you?
Honestly prefer no pictures online, but I do like having pictures of events for private use.

- Will you get anything commissioned?
I'm actually not fond of commissioning during cons, most turns into take home projects anyway, the only difference is you pay more for less and wind up waiting like you would have for a larger commission anyway.

- How can I get your attention?
Say hello and extend your hand for handshake. If you know me, glomps work.

Um... WOW! That's really how I have to explain MFF. I went expecting to be alone and not meeting may people to be honest. I know cons are the one place Murphy always shows up at without fail, and it's impossible to plan anything or get with anyone due to constant schedule/location issues. But somehow most of that was overcome!

I met a TON of people. I don't want to list names as I will forget (as I already have forgotten half the names, I keep warning you all I'm horrible with names!)to list people.

I ran around to several different room parties, mostly all the public ones ;p I did somehow manage to get into a few private ones and see alot of familiar faces and add more new ones to my meetNgreet for the con! Most of the meeting people took place in the rooms, though some happened in the dealers den, artists alley, game rooms and lobby/bar. The social aspect of this con has got to be it's finest trait!

I'm going to try and add MFF as a repeat con each year!

I didn't get any art this year, though I did pick up a preorder badge and stopped by an artists' booth I've been discussing a commission with it to get more details. Will continue to work on that commission now that I'm home. But I seem to have reduced my drive for "con" commissions, especially since most seem to turn into take homes.

There were QUITE a few people I didn't get to meet and this makes me rather sad, but hopefully next time! I hunted 2 in particular like pokemon!

I had wonderful Room guests and the food was really supherb, though the pricing in the hotel was funky :P

Again I was OVERLY thrilled to meet everyone I got too, I really can't wait to see you all again!

MFF MEME - stolen from Celestialwolfen

Where will you be?
Planning to be around the con, out in the city, and such. So all over is correct.

Where are you staying?
The main hotel

Do you do free art?
Well I don't do art. But if there's an open artist, and I like your character I might see about us nabbing a commission together :D

Do you do trades?
See "Do you do free art?"

Do you do commissions?
See "Do you do free art?"

Do you do badges?
Don't do badges, and don't get badge commissions with others characters :D

Will you have art in the Art Show? General or Adult sections?
Well since I don't do art, I can't really put stuff in the auctions :D

What is your gender?
Super Horny Male Iksar

How old are you?
34

Are you taken? Are you looking for a 'mate'?
I'm single, active, not locked down, but pretty picky :( I'm not looking for a mate, but if a friendship progresses that far, so be it.

Can I touch you?
Honestly wouldn't recommend it, But I'm not saying no. Don't hold me responsible ;p

Can I invite you out for food/fun/etc?
Always take invites, but we'll have to see if I'm already booked.

Can I talk to you?
Always. If I look like I'm in a hurry, run with me. I'll conduct my business then get back with you :D

Can I give you stuff?
I really don't like taking things from people.

What day are you getting there?
17th sometime evening.

Who will you be with?
I should be with ALOT of people. Looking for Xander, Alkali, Tahoe Sushi, Draggor, Nemmie, Arcnova, Hawkane, Deeplurk, Yo_Nv, Ticer, Phor Dingo, Darkoumew, Nikomonkey, Tjsynkral, Dook, Spelunker Sal (yes Sal I'm going to stop by your booth!), and more, though some people I want to meet are working the con, so not sure I'll get too :( {if you aren't listed, it's NOT because I don't want to meet you, I just made a list off the top of my head, please forgive me :( }

What suits will you have?
None, my artist is still working the base, and I have yet to buy the accessories.

Can I hug or snuggle with you?
Again I don't recommend it, unless I say yes in person. Don't hold me responsible.

How tall are you?
6'2", thick with a tire.

You look pissed off out of suit, can I come up to you?
My eyes change color, if they are blue I wouldn't suggest it, if they are green or green/blue you should be ok. Think opposite of the hulk.

Are you nice?
I'm not very tactful or elegant. But I try to be polite.

Are you cliquey?
with real good friends I can seem as such, but try not to be. Otherwise, i treat everyone the same.

Do you have an artist table?
Not an artist and no.

Do you like parties?
Honestly no. But if that's where people are and that's what they are doing, I'll be there too.

If I see you, how should I get your attention?
Honestly however you want, be you.

Can I hang out with you?
I normally don't say no, but that's going to depend on who I'm with and what their plans are ;p

So a few artists I've either been meaning to try or have tried have opened up for commissions and I just want to help spread the word. I don't normally plug for artists, but with Con Season opening back up I know a few on this list are hoping to attend cons soon. Some are just plugs for artists I think are excellent business.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2886306/ YuriMatsue is offering some more slots for his group pieces, I nabbed one of his pin ups. Haven't gotten a commission yet, but booked for one now!

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2886615/ Donryu will be streaming this week, so watch for more journals making announcements on his page. I've gotten a few pieces of art from him and I think his style is fun.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2877675/ Masterofraviel is also open, haven't tried him yet, but he's on my list to get one from eventually :D

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/fydbac/ Fydbac is usually open for all kinds of commissions, I've had pleasant experiences commissioning art from her in the past, and hope to pick her back up as an artist again in the future.

There's a few more artists I was going to plug, but I'm drawing a blank as it's too early in the morning for me and I have had little sleep.... Also a few I was going to plug seem to be closed now.

I was honestly waiting for a few more artists to make their final decisions or complete artwork before posting another "unprofessional artist" journal. But one artist in particular decided to make our transaction personal, rather than merely business. Hence today's journal.

 Randomdragon aka  drcotten

I had a good first run with him, several commissions, under my original policy, he was timely, respectful and seemed an ok fellow. I figured this meant I found a trustworthy artist to toss projects too, it was a BAD decision on my part.

I saw him post a journal saying he was low on funds, something to do with car and computer and he was taking commissions to make ends meet. So I told him I'd take quite a few slots. He was still working on an older commission I had already pre-paid in full. This unfinished commission and the prior commission were agreed too BY HIM before I sent payment in full for both batches.

I paid(commissioned) him on:

10Dec2008 for the first piece, it was completely fairly quickly.
25Dec2010 for the second piece, it was completely in a reasonable amount of time as well.
29Dec2010 for the third piece, it was started but never finished this was canceled by him, not me.
13Feb2011 for a batch of 8 pieces, these were never started and canceled by him, not me.

I contacted him via email (reply) on the 1st of June almost 4 months later to inquire status, as my policy used to state that I WILL contact you at the three month mark if you fail to keep me updated on status.(Policy being redone to remove this risk)

I got no response. So I attempted to contact him on Chats, Again he wasn't replying. I sent a note, the note I got a response too. It said he doesn't bother reading his email, and was just leaving chat on and not using it. It further stated he lost all my concepts reference (yet he never bothered to tell me this until I inquired). So I sent it to him a second time.

I contacted him again on the 6th of August, figured since he lost the refs once, he probably did again, was giving him the chance to offer WIP or ask for refs. He immediately states:

8/6/2011
(2:40:06 PM) Him: gonna refund you on your commishes, work has taken up all my time unfortuanly

I gave him the transaction ID to more easily find the transaction performed, as we had several. He posted a journal a few days later RE-OPENING commissions on his Drcotten account, probably thinking I wouldn't see it. So he flat out lied to me, instead of saying he no longer wanted to do the art he said work was taking all his time and he couldn't do art. So I enacted my clause for interest, as HE canceled the commissions, not me, and not only that, lied about it.

On the 28th of August I still had no refund, so I inquired again This is when he flat out said he doesn't use Email, even though he had in the past. He refused to use the transaction ID I'd given him, forcing me to give the email address. At this point I sent him the emails I'd sent previously as text and he said he refused to pay the interest, as it's stupid. SO I wound up loaning him money for almost 7months, and he see's no reason to reimburse me for the loan. It became a loan when he refused to perform services paid for, after he agreed to the commission policy and accepting the
money.

I'm honestly going to recommend people avoid him.

I personally have no patience/time for artists like this, I doubt anyone else does. You commit to an agreement, this is business, not your average street dupe for free money.


Read his commentary/opinion here http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6712793/


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Randomdragon hid my comment back at him on his gallery also, 16th down (including nested). Not bothering to reply, I really don't care if he blocked or not.

My hidden comment :D

Actually it was 3 bucks, your getting pissy over three bucks. Lets not forget you lied to me, said work had you too busy then you open for commissions 3 days later. Of course you cleared out all your journals. You agreed to interest in the event you canceled the commission when you read the policy, you told me you READ it, then you ACCEPTED the money.

Here's my official reply, though I was going to wait a bit longer to post it. http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2836795/

I'm looking for a few artists who are quick, have decent quality and wouldn't be opposed to being hired for a duration of time.

Artists that I was using but are currently booked were:
 Fydbac
 WFA

They both had excellent quality and speed. I kind of preferred WFA's style to letting me book an 8hour block on a Saturday or Sunday and I'd toss my concepts and she would render them. I was able to keep changes to a minimum and the process truly was wonderful.

I'd be tempted to try  spelunkersal but he's usually doing his own streams or busy.

I have about 12-56 Pieces of art I'd like to get commissioned, some just sketch phase, some fully colored. I usually work the details out with the artist, on case by case basis, rates also to be discussed with the artist.

These pieces of art (concepts) are pieces that I wanted to get done for a bit but haven't found an artist since the artists I wanted to render them are unavailable at this time.

If you have recommendations please list them here.

Looks like this lonely iksar gets to go. Finally got my continuation orders in at work, and got the head nod approval to book it.

I'm looking for a room, was hoping to room with any of the people I already know, willing to try new people also. I really need to figure out the rooming situation before I plan/buy transportation and submit my formal request.

I'm not really sure what's going to be going on either, as I've never been to this con before, and I've only met about 8 of the Chicago locals, some of which aren't going to be in attendance. So I need to figure out if I should show up a day early/stay a day late type things, but that's mostly going to be if people want to hang with me.

I know a handful of people who think they are going this year, but most of those are going to be tied up in private parties, or stuck most of the con in dealers and artist area's.

I know I like Chicago area, it was fun to visit, if things go well I'll try to make this a regular event.

So things I need to do:
1 Register - Done
2 Find a room - Looking
3 Plan Drive or book plane/train
4 List people to meet
5 Tentatively plane for public activities/events if any pique my interest

Ok I'm looking for a more complete list of Fur Cons, sites for them and dates to attend. What I pulled from Wiki is the following list, can anyone assist with finishing this/updating the info? I'm just looking for US based cons, Travling outside CONUS would be nice but not likely this year.

All Fur Fun - Spokane Washington, ???, ??? (reportedly canceled con)
Antheria - Rodondo Beach CA , www.antheria.org , 30 Sep - 2 Oct 11
Anthrocon - Pittsburgh PA, www.anthrocon.org , 14-17 Jun 12
Califur - Irvine CA, ???, ???
Campfire Tails - Lapine Oregon, ???, ???
Cape May Fur meet, Cape May County NJ, ???, ???
FA:United - Newark NJ, ???, ???
Fur Idaho - Boise Idaho, www.furidaho.org , 23-25 Mar 12
FurFright - Cromwell Connecticut, www.furfright.org , 14-16 Oct 11
Furloween - Orlando FL, ???, ???
Furry Connection North - Novi Michigan, ???, ???
Furry Cruise - Canaveral FL, ??? ???
Furry Fiesta - Addison TX, www.furryfiesta.org , 24-26 Feb 12
Furry Weekend Atlanta - Atlanta GA, ???, ???
Further Confusion - San Jose CA, www.furtherconfusion.org , 12-16 Jan 12
IndyFurCon - Indianapolis Indiana, www.indyfurcon.com , 12-14 Aug 12
Megaplex - Kissimmee FL, ???, ???
Mephit Furmeet - OliveBranch MI, ???, ???
Midwest FurFest - Rosemont illinois, www.furfest.org , 18-20 Nov 11
Morphicon - Columbus OH, www.morphicon.org , ???
NakamaCon - Madison Wisconsin, ???, ???
Oklacon - Watonga OK, www.oklacon.com , 21-24 Oct 11
RainFurrest - Seatac WA, ???, ???
Rocket City Furmeet - Huntsville AL, ???, ???
Rocky Mountain Fur Con - Denver CO, ???, ???
Western PA Furry Weekend - Pittsburgh PA, ???, ???
Wild Nights - Robbers Cave State Park OK, ???, ???

I'm sure I'm missing cons. Please reply with con name, location, website, dates held this year (if already happened, next years dates) and comment on size/kind of con it is.

Right now I'm planning to attend FC, AC and FuryFiesta. I'm looking at trying to get MFF on there, and possibly another con. Hoping to build the list so I can track which ones to attend each year :D

Heads up, tomorrow I'll be heading to Chicago for a short stay with a friend. I'm hoping to meet some new people while I'm in the area, I keep hearing Chicago is one of concentrated area's of the furry community.

Will be out and about eating, site seeing and such. Mostly contactable through Twitter @Ssvanti, or through FA Notes, not sure how often I'll check those though.

I know a few people I was hoping to meet won't be in the area while I'm there, but I'm also hoping to make another trip up sometime, possibly MFF but that's not likely at this time.

When I return, I have a few more journals to post next week. Commission policy change, a gripe journal (yay drama) and a few explanation journals (why I commission art, a little about me, and review of Razzles furry haven from July)

Here's to getting out and meeting people, not just at conventions :D

Yup, I'm in Little Rock Arkansas right now. Anyone round? Hoping to meet some peeps while I'm here.

In Arlington for a bit. Probably about a week, then I'm off to a class for VMWare to get more in depth how to's regarding backing up, vmotion, High Availability, heartbeat failover, and such. That'll be about 2 weeks added on.

I hope to have a bit of time to chat online here and there, and maybe keep a slight workout session going during my absence, but going to be hard to tell. I'm on my second day of not working out and my body is already liking the laziness of it.

I really hate traveling but meeting people is awesome, and I oooooh so much need to be more social. I need to learn about interaction with people not just through chats/IM's but the eye contact, in person over a meal kind of interactions.

I'd hoped to get more of my to do list done prior to this trip, but I failed epicly there. I'm still working on getting with people I owe stuff too/for/with, and will strive to get a better handle on it by new years ;p

For those that want to be socially interactive with me, twitter is the place for it. Ssvanti. Fenrir got me twitter-dicted and I like the ability to have it on my mobile everywhere. The chat programs tend to crash all the time, but twitter doesn't :D If you don't have a twitter, I'll suggest you get one. It's very nice to be able to casually get back with people when it's convenient, rather than trying to force convo real time.

So be back in a bit!

Ok so I created an account over at bodybuilding.com but it's not looking like what I was expecting. So I'm probably just going to start using my facebook account for progress tracking. I just need a little time, which is cumming up in about a few days, and I'll be able to sit down and manage some of this stuff better.

I dont' want to flood watchers with my workout routines, as I'm sure alot don't really give a crap. For those that DO, I'll post a new journal when I have everything set up. I know FA isn't about fitness...... seriously, so I'll keep it to the art.

Seem to have generated a little interest, so I'll continue to post my workouts, I hope those interested post theirs as well, somewhere. I'll probably just use Facebook or start using my livejournal. Not sure I'll figure it out shortly.

So here's todays wrap. I was not a very good dietition today, as I tend not to be, so keep that in mind, even though I tend to eat whatever the hell I want, and as much of it as I like, I'm still showing progress, so I'm doing something right, at least for me.

This morning, I took:
1xFlax seed
1xOmega-3
1xTri-Flex
1x FiberChoice tablet
1x Horny Goat Weed
1x Staminol
1x Maca Man
2x Pink Magic
1x Arginmax
1/2x Apladan
1x Ultra Saw Palmeto formula
I had with a clove of raw garlic, a V8 low sodium and 2 bottles of water.

After this my group did light stretching, and then we ran uphill about 1.5miles (almost completely straight uphill, very few flats) got to the halfway point and turned around to finish.

Finished showering, shaving/etc and got into work, where I ate another full bowl of Fiber One Original with a cup of 2% milk.

At lunch time we had a going away luncheon for some coworkers who were going overseas or off to other jobs. So I ate what's called a Fiesta Nacho's which is supposed to be an appetizer, but a few of us eat it as a meal. It's got chicken, beef, beans, nahco's, guacamole, lettuce, queso, pico de gallo, tomato, sourcream and a sprite, I ordered extra beef/queso on mine. Course I nibbled on chips/salsa till the orders came out. We stopped off at Dairy Queen for some icecream :D I had a regular oreo blizzard (was good, didn't get the largest size they have).

I had my pills with lunch which today consisted of:
1x FiberChoice tablet
1x Horny Goat Weed
1x Staminol
1x Maca Man
2x Pink Magic
1x Arginmax
1/2x Apladan
1x Ultra Saw Palmeto formula

After work, I popped, prior to working out:
3x Cellucor NO3 Black Chrome (90minutes prior to workout)
1.5 scoops Jack3D LemonLime (45minutes prior to workout)
2x Pink Magic with the Jack3D

In the gym I performed:

1 set Flat Bench shoulder width 205lbs x 8 reps
1 set Dumbbells Regular Curls 50lbs x 4 reps each arm
1 set Nautilus Super Pullover 140lbs x 10 reps
1 set Machine Flys 140lbs x 10 reps
1 set Seated Rows 130lbs x 10 reps
1 set Triceps Rope Push 130lbs x 10 reps
1 set Barbell Close Hand Curls 65lbs x 10 reps
1 set Reverse Flys Dumbbells 35lbs x 5 reps
1 set Dumbbells Wide Arm Curls 40lbs x 5 reps each arm
1 set Crunches x 50
1 set Flat Bench shoulder width 205lbs x 8 reps
1 set Dumbbells Regular Curls 50lbs x 4 reps each arm
1 set Nautilus Super Pullover 140lbs x 10 reps
1 set Machine Flys 140lbs x 10 reps
1 set Seated Rows 130lbs x 10 reps
1 set Triceps Rope Push 130lbs x 10 reps
1 set Barbell Close Hand Curls 65lbs x 10 reps
1 set Reverse Flys Dumbbells 35lbs x 5 reps
1 set Dumbbells Wide Arm Curls 40lbs x 5 reps each arm
1 set Crunches x 50
1 set Flat Bench shoulder width 205lbs x 8 reps
1 set Dumbbells Regular Curls 50lbs x 4 reps each arm
1 set Nautilus Super Pullover 140lbs x 10 reps
1 set Machine Flys 140lbs x 10 reps
1 set Seated Rows 130lbs x 10 reps
1 set Triceps Rope Push 130lbs x 10 reps
1 set Barbell Close Hand Curls 65lbs x 10 reps
1 set Reverse Flys Dumbbells 35lbs x 5 reps
1 set Dumbbells Wide Arm Curls 40lbs x 5 reps each arm
1 set Crunches x 50
1 set Flat Bench shoulder width 205lbs x 8 reps
1 set Dumbbells Regular Curls 50lbs x 4 reps each arm
1 set Nautilus Super Pullover 140lbs x 10 reps
1 set Machine Flys 140lbs x 10 reps
1 set Seated Rows 130lbs x 10 reps
1 set Triceps Rope Push 130lbs x 10 reps
1 set Barbell Close Hand Curls 65lbs x 10 reps
1 set Reverse Flys Dumbbells 35lbs x 5 reps
1 set Dumbbells Wide Arm Curls 40lbs x 5 reps each arm
1 set Crunches x 50
1 set Flat Bench shoulder width 185lbs x 12 reps
1 set Dumbbells Regular Curls 45lbs x 4 reps each arm
1 set Nautilus Super Pullover 140lbs x 10 reps
1 set Machine Flys 140lbs x 10 reps
1 set Seated Rows 130lbs x 10 reps
1 set Triceps Rope Push 130lbs x 10 reps
1 set Barbell Close Hand Curls 65lbs x 10 reps
1 set Reverse Flys Dumbbells 35lbs x 5 reps
1 set Dumbbells Wide Arm Curls 35lbs x 5 reps each arm
1 set Crunches x 50

Finished up with 22 Close hand pushups, 12 Regular pushups, 10 Wide arm pushups, then biked for 16 minutes with fiarly high resistance.

I was going to do another set, but I really wasn't feeling it. I was going to have to drop weight on everything. I like the circuit based method I use, it keeps it interesting and not me sitting on machine waiting forever to do multiple sets. But the more I space events out, the harder it is to keep going. This was a pretty good test of endurance for me. I only got 4 full sets before I had to start dropping weight. I drank a 1/2 packet of GNC Pro Performance AMP Protein during the workout.

As I type this I'm downing another bottle of water, and my 1/2 scoop of Cellmass by BNS. I'm not anticipating eating again today.

Tomorrow will be my last workout day, as well as my last day using D4, I'll save what I have left (well over a bottle and ahalf) and cycle back to OxyElitePro while I'm out of town for 3 weeks. I'll take a weight ball and do mostly pushups, crunches and calisthenics. Though I'm told there might be a gym available at both locations, so I'll take my Cellmass, Jack3d, NO3 and other supplements just in case. But I'm planing on doubling my running hitting the sauna more regularly over this period. When I get back I'll start back out lighter weight, if I do get a long break with no lifting.

When this bottle of Pink Magic runs out, I'm switching to D6 for a 2 bottle run, then back to Pink Magic. Iv'e been told the D6 is more potent, but won't ever know unless I try.