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Have to get through the worst before things can start to get better again.
So things aren't looking too good for Rarity with her friends seemingly having abandoned her for one of their old enemies and understandably she's pretty upset about it. Fortunately Applejack and Rainbow Dash find her and give her a helping hand, and as she calms down she gains some new insight to her current situation.
I started this shortly after finishing Part 2, but then I got distracted by the starting of commissions and a bunch of other things and only got around to working on it again recently. A lot of things changed to divert from what I was originally planning, the entire second half is different from how I thought it would go, but I feel it's for the better. There's some pretty heavy stuff in this chapter but I can at least say that this is the end of the overly depressing content for the most part.
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I don't know how to write a southern accent.
Just barely skirting around that mature rating.
Have to get through the worst before things can start to get better again.
So things aren't looking too good for Rarity with her friends seemingly having abandoned her for one of their old enemies and understandably she's pretty upset about it. Fortunately Applejack and Rainbow Dash find her and give her a helping hand, and as she calms down she gains some new insight to her current situation.
I started this shortly after finishing Part 2, but then I got distracted by the starting of commissions and a bunch of other things and only got around to working on it again recently. A lot of things changed to divert from what I was originally planning, the entire second half is different from how I thought it would go, but I feel it's for the better. There's some pretty heavy stuff in this chapter but I can at least say that this is the end of the overly depressing content for the most part.
My Little Pony is owned by Hasbro.
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badgerbenI don't know how to write a southern accent.
Just barely skirting around that mature rating.
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So glad to hear! Seriously, I was so worried. Like I was actually wondering if I should just spam you with my appreciation for your work. Just completely pester you with compliments non stop
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I don't have problems! Your work is just very good and makes me excited with it's goodness and everything and I'll shut up now...
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I don't have problems! Your work is just very good and makes me excited with it's goodness and everything and I'll shut up now...
Much better then the early chapters as it was much harsher from my knowledge. Mostly coming to how the plot was set up and such was a bit jarring and angery, with the villain being a bit extreme after Rarity was still convinced to have Fluttershy lose weight. It alienated me and just made me think how much of a bitch Terra Juno was then what Rarity was acting at the moment for doing something that cruel.
It also makes me feel like it is just proving Rarity's point. She is now living in a world where because she was fat, everyone hates her and thinks she is a slob... Meanwhile her alternate self thought big as beautiful. Basically it is proving the point that Rarity originally came with. I am sorry to be a stickler, But that's not what the message is right?
While this is much better then the other two due to it having a likeable moment in it, I apologize for being alienated from the plot. It is well written, but again it is the message being shown is too confusing and harsh. I want to get into it, I really do. I like all my sizes. But tell me how Rarity is to learn her lesson when she is shoved into a position where what she believes is right and she is suffering for it?
tl;dr: Best chapter so far, But still following something I find confusing so I cannot hostly like it
It also makes me feel like it is just proving Rarity's point. She is now living in a world where because she was fat, everyone hates her and thinks she is a slob... Meanwhile her alternate self thought big as beautiful. Basically it is proving the point that Rarity originally came with. I am sorry to be a stickler, But that's not what the message is right?
While this is much better then the other two due to it having a likeable moment in it, I apologize for being alienated from the plot. It is well written, but again it is the message being shown is too confusing and harsh. I want to get into it, I really do. I like all my sizes. But tell me how Rarity is to learn her lesson when she is shoved into a position where what she believes is right and she is suffering for it?
tl;dr: Best chapter so far, But still following something I find confusing so I cannot hostly like it
The idea I wanted to build up to is that ultimately the thing the other ponies don't like about Rarity in this alternate setting isn't just the fact that she's fat, it's the fact that the alternate Rarity has been actively aggressive about her fatness and alienated herself from everyone around her because they don't fit her ideal - in an opposite but very similar way to how Rarity had acted to Fluttershy in the first chapter, so it serves to demonstrate what might happen to her if she continues to act the way she does. The final message at the end wasn't going to be just "fat is good", it was meant to be more along the lines of "respect others' beliefs", which I feel is a lesson that wouldn't be out of place in an episode of the show itself, and wouldn't be too inappropriate for Rarity to have to learn. I have come to realize though that the way I chose to do that might not have been exactly the best I could have gone with, there are a lot of things I've had my fair share second thoughts over (the presence of Terra Juno especially). Something I came to learn as a writer since finishing the second part is that it's really bad storytelling to lead along your audience by withholding details until the end and only giving the promise that there will be some kind of resolution, I had thought before that I was doing a good enough job at building things up but I guess it wasn't really enough after all and, as you said, the shift was too jarring, which was why in this chapter I had been trying my best to drop more hints about what's going on.
Even if you don't like the story so far though, I still appreciate that you're willing to give some more in-depth criticism this time around, it's helpful in continuing to develop things more so I can work out the problems.
Even if you don't like the story so far though, I still appreciate that you're willing to give some more in-depth criticism this time around, it's helpful in continuing to develop things more so I can work out the problems.
No problem, I guess I didn't see the problem when I first read the story and I can see some of it now when you described it. Not much else I can argue, Rarity's home and choice of clothes are more shock value despite one could argue that her aggressive and withdrawnness could keen her to seeking plush luxuries to hide away in at home to make herself feel better. What the Alternate Rarity is doing is something to wonder
As with the presence of Terra, I can see it working better then Twilight was made or Cadance were shown. I am guessing Terra is going to be based on 'Mother Earth' and I see potential if that was what you are going with. While I don't like the directness of the punishment, Which could be shown as why Terra is not known/allowed to deal with ponies much, I do see potential in the character if you want to make her a mainstay. Also, Tossing out that why she isn't recorded is because Celestia's sister or something...
And I wouldn't be mad at that choice. Seems reasonable to what is laid out, Works better in the context of the MLP canon altogether then what they have done with the show and if thats what you wanted, then go ahead. I support the concept, I just don't think her teaching is the most profound as of yet...
As with the presence of Terra, I can see it working better then Twilight was made or Cadance were shown. I am guessing Terra is going to be based on 'Mother Earth' and I see potential if that was what you are going with. While I don't like the directness of the punishment, Which could be shown as why Terra is not known/allowed to deal with ponies much, I do see potential in the character if you want to make her a mainstay. Also, Tossing out that why she isn't recorded is because Celestia's sister or something...
And I wouldn't be mad at that choice. Seems reasonable to what is laid out, Works better in the context of the MLP canon altogether then what they have done with the show and if thats what you wanted, then go ahead. I support the concept, I just don't think her teaching is the most profound as of yet...
I imagined that fat!Rarity would still have tried to be as posh and fashionable as possible, but because of her limited views she's substantially restricted her business and isn't as financially stable, which is why she has to live with her family, and the next chapter would show how they've had to support her (or at least Sweetie Belle, I didn't plan on bringing her parents directly into this story) I've debated for a while exactly what might be going on with the alternate Rarity while this is happening, the idea is supposed to be that the normal Rarity has been deposited into this universe in place of her alternate self so presumably she'd be somewhere else, but I felt it was better to just handwave off her presence.
Admittedly the main reason I've been hesitant about Terra Juno is more because of the fact that she actually wasn't originally just supposed to be a character in this story, or even an MLP character at all for that matter, she's a ponyfied version of another character I've had in the wings for some time. When I started this series I didn't really mind it very much, but as things went on I started to have my second thoughts about how well this gelled in with the full characterization I wanted to eventually have for her. I don't know if I plan on ever doing anything else with Terra Juno - that is, the pony version of the character - after Learning Curves, but if I did it would be revealing that hardly anyone knows about her because she's an old, old goddess and almost all of the cults devoted to her have faded away, the only one who would know is Zecora because the zebra tribes still worship her.
Admittedly the main reason I've been hesitant about Terra Juno is more because of the fact that she actually wasn't originally just supposed to be a character in this story, or even an MLP character at all for that matter, she's a ponyfied version of another character I've had in the wings for some time. When I started this series I didn't really mind it very much, but as things went on I started to have my second thoughts about how well this gelled in with the full characterization I wanted to eventually have for her. I don't know if I plan on ever doing anything else with Terra Juno - that is, the pony version of the character - after Learning Curves, but if I did it would be revealing that hardly anyone knows about her because she's an old, old goddess and almost all of the cults devoted to her have faded away, the only one who would know is Zecora because the zebra tribes still worship her.
You know it's a real shock that chapter 2 received as much negative criticism as it did. This story is very well written, and the bits of harsh treatment toward Rarity never felt like "Rarity-hate" as some have stated. Given the lesson you're tackling the only Mane 6 member I see fitting it IS Rarity so you made a good choice as far as I'm concerned. I for one am enjoying this story whole-heartedly, and can't wait for the next installment.
As for this one, as I much as I didn't mind Twilight/Trixie/Sweety's attitudes torward Rarity. It is nice I'll admit to know that not everyone in this reality downright despises her for her attitude. And makes me curious as to how this Realitie's Pinkie and Flutter feel about her. All in all This a fun read and am glad to wait for more.
On a side note. With Rarity's current figure I guess she now lives up to her fan nickname of "Marshmellow".
As for this one, as I much as I didn't mind Twilight/Trixie/Sweety's attitudes torward Rarity. It is nice I'll admit to know that not everyone in this reality downright despises her for her attitude. And makes me curious as to how this Realitie's Pinkie and Flutter feel about her. All in all This a fun read and am glad to wait for more.
On a side note. With Rarity's current figure I guess she now lives up to her fan nickname of "Marshmellow".
I suppose it's something I should have been more wary of when I started this story. The entire reason I had been hesitant for a long time to write about MLP stuff is because I don't really have interest in making a large cast of my own characters so I'd have to stick to canon characters, and I refuse to do anything with them that goes too far against their canon personalities without some kind of justification. At the same time, however, I was aware that in order to do this story I would have to do that to a certain extent in making the characters not like Rarity, so I knew I would have to tread carefully. The entire idea I had been trying to go for is that they aren't openly aggressive toward her for the most part, they don't just get angry at her immediately, they need to be pushed first - like by having to deal with Rarity's inane episode - which is why Applejack is still willing to help her in this part, because even though she doesn't normally like Rarity in this setting she still sees someone desperately in need of assistance. The only character who would be actively hostile toward her is Trixie, due to reasons that will be explored more in the future chapters (and possibly Rainbow Dash because of her impulsive tendencies but that's already been developed in this chapter). The only thing I don't understand is why it is that people seemed to have a problem with the previous chapter, but no one at all got angry in the first part when Rarity blew up at Fluttershy.
Alternate Fluttershy is due to appear in the final chapter as part of the resolution of the "mystery" of the whole plot. I'm still struggling to find something definitive to do with Pinkie Pie, as always I'm never really sure what to do with her, but I imagine she'd be one of those more tolerable of Rarity.
And I felt I just had to at least allude to the marshmallow thing somewhere. :P
But thanks, I'm glad you enjoy the series! Hoping to continue on it as soon as possible. -n-
Alternate Fluttershy is due to appear in the final chapter as part of the resolution of the "mystery" of the whole plot. I'm still struggling to find something definitive to do with Pinkie Pie, as always I'm never really sure what to do with her, but I imagine she'd be one of those more tolerable of Rarity.
And I felt I just had to at least allude to the marshmallow thing somewhere. :P
But thanks, I'm glad you enjoy the series! Hoping to continue on it as soon as possible. -n-
I can't speak for anyone else, but mainly the problem I think is that Rarity's punishment didn't feel proportionate to her crime. Yes, she was insensitive to Fluttershy, and for that she was sent to a world she seemed to have no friends, the business she had struggled to build was non existent, her sister didn't like her, and even her personal appearance was drastically changed. Given that her reaction to Fluttershy was based mostly on the fact that she is a clothing designer, and fashion trends tend to stick towards the thin and busty, it seemed like the equivalent of a jaywalker getting the death penalty.
I suppose I can see what you'd mean by that, I'm not really sure what I can say in rebuttal to be honest, the harshness of the situation is kind of intentional, and I hadn't thought it would be too much. I guess the reason it got to this point was because I put most of my effort into trying to find a way to make the plot work so that it would serve the message I was going for and I didn't consider the implications that would go along with it. I can't really do anything about it with this story since changing that would require changing the entire plot drastically, but it's something I'm going to keep more in mind in the future.
I skimmed through these chapters and I'm at a loss to figure out what to say. Granted there is a lesson I've learned from reading comments on stuff as polarising as this: Even as the creator of a piece of art, you don't always know what you're talking about because patrons might interpret somethign radically differently than you intended.
Unfortunately I have no plans to continue this story in its current form. I have very poor memories of its creation and I don't like the direction I'd been taking with it. The original impetus for this story had been "actual moral lesson that might be featured in an episode of FiM but played for fetish" and I think that the approach I took was far too complicated for its own good. It was also really early in my exposure to the series and fandom so I hadn't concretized enough of my ideas for these characters. For a while I've been considering the idea of starting the story over again with a new direction, but it keeps getting lost in the shuffle of all the projects I want to do.
Thank you, though, I appreciate your interest regardless.
Thank you, though, I appreciate your interest regardless.
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